Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Nikki Haley, who can’t acknowledge ‘slavery’, is a pathetic shill.

Battle won, war still ongoing.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

I conferred with the team and they all agree – still not tired of winning!

Even though I know this is a bad idea, I’m off to do it anyway!

Pelosi: “He either is stupid, or he thinks the rest of us are.” Why not both?

Putin dreamed of ending NATO, and now it’s Finnish-ed.

Fuck that bum, let’s go Joe!

I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Elections aren’t won by handwringing, cowering, and/or bashing your own candidates.

Republicans would impeach Biden if he bit into a whole Kit Kat rather than breaking the sections apart.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

There is one struggling party in US right now, and it’s not the Democrats.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

The gop couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

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I kept it together until Miley started sniffling. Young women like her are why Hillary Rodham Clinton isn’t going away — even though she’ll probably never run for office again.

… Fallon asked if Clinton would have felt differently about losing the election if her opponent had been someone other than Trump.

“I would have. Yeah, I’ve thought about that a lot,” she said. “If I had lost to another Republican — somebody who I disagreed with, but who I thought was temperamentally capable of being president, who would take the job, and the awesome responsibility seriously — of course I’d be disappointed, but I wouldn’t be so worried about my country and the world as I am now.”…

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“You may not lose a presidential election, but you may lose somebody close to you. You may lose a job you want,” she continued. “There’s all kinds of challenges in life, and so I want not only individuals — and so many of them as they’re coming to my events are telling me that it has helped them — but I want our country to understand how resilient we are. We are such an extraordinary collection of people, and energy and all sorts of great potential. And I don’t want people to get depressed, and worn out, and tired because they see things they disagree with that are contrary to who we are. There is something for everybody to do.”…

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Apart from keeping faith in the #Resistance, what’s on the agenda for the day?

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  1. 1.

    Chyron HR

    When my father lost, he moved on.

    He spent 8 years going on TV every week to grandstand about how he would run the country better, you dumb asshole.

  2. 2.

    RedDirtGirl

    Whatever, Soylent Blonde*.
    Anyway, isn’t it always good news for John McCain?

    *MMcC’s nickname on MockPaperScissors.com

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    what’s on the agenda for the day? Avoiding the rain, so probably cleaning up the shop,putting stuff away in the camper, and being a bum.

    ETA: and calling my New Orleans son just to make sure he isn’t too blase about a Category 1 hurricane.

  4. 4.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    If there’s one person who doesn’t hold on to the past it’s John McCain.

    In fact I just discovered in the Ken Burns/Lynn Novick documentary that McCain was a POW. I was shocked. He’s so humble about himself, he never mentions it.

  5. 5.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    “I don’t vote with my vagina,” actress Susan Sarandon tweeted Wednesday, weighing in on Hillary Clinton’s bid for the White House. “It’s so insulting to women to think that you would follow a candidate JUST because she’s a woman,” said the former star of The Vagina Monologues.

    Irony is a hellva drug.

  6. 6.

    OzarkHillbilly

    FBI terrorism unit says ‘black identity extremists’ pose violent threat

    The US government has declared “black identity extremists” a violent threat, according to a leaked report from the FBI’s counter-terrorism division.

    The assessment, obtained by Foreign Policy, has raised fears about federal authorities racially profiling activists and aggressively prosecuting civil rights protesters.

    The report, dated August 2017 and compiled by the Domestic Terrorism Analysis Unit, said: “The FBI assesses it is very likely Black Identity Extremist (BIE) perceptions of police brutality against African Americans spurred an increase in premeditated, retaliatory lethal violence against law enforcement and will very likely serve as justification for such violence.” Incidents of “alleged police abuse” have “continued to feed the resurgence in ideologically motivated, violent criminal activity within the BIE movement”.

    The FBI’s dedicated surveillance of black activists follows a long history of the US government aggressively monitoring protest movements and working to disrupt civil rights groups, but the scrutiny of African Americans by a domestic terrorism unit was particularly alarming to some free speech campaigners.

    “When we talk about enemies of the state and terrorists, with that comes an automatic stripping of those people’s rights to speak and protest,” said Mohammad Tajsar, staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union. “It marginalizes what are legitimate voices within the political debate that are calling for racial and economic justice.”

    The document has emerged at a time of growing concerns about Donald Trump’s links to the far right and white nationalists, and increasing anxieties about his administration’s efforts to further criminalize communities of color and shield police from scrutiny. Anti-Trump protesters and Black Lives Matter activists have continued to face harsh prosecutions and close federal monitoring.

    The FBI did not immediately respond to the Guardian’s request for comment on Friday, but defended its tracking of “black identity extremists” in a statement to Foreign Policy, claiming the “FBI cannot initiate an investigation based solely on an individual’s race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, or the exercise of First Amendment rights”.

    The FBI’s report noted specific cases of recent violence against police, most notably Micah Johnson, a 25-year-old shooter in Dallas who killed five officers and said he was targeting white people and law enforcement. Black Lives Matter – a movement protesting the disproportionate killings of black citizens by police in the US – had no ties to Johnson or other targeted killings of police and has condemned those shootings.

    The number of police officers killed on the job also remains a fraction of the number of citizens killed by officers each year, and statistics suggest that more white offenders than black offenders kill officers.

  9. 9.

    NotMax

    What a crude, idiotic, vile and downright nasty piece of steaming sh*t to spew out. WTF goes through someone’s head to do this?

    The owner of a vegan food truck says she regrets a Facebook post in which she appeared to dismiss the deaths of “meat eaters” in the Las Vegas massacre.

    Delinda Jensen, 60, of Wilkes-Barre, said she’s received death threats and had to shut down her business after her post Monday night started going viral, sparking intense backlash both online and off.

    Jensen wrote: “Yes I am jaded. Fifty nine meat eaters dead. How many animals will live because of this?” In a second comment, she used an expletive to say she didn’t care about “carnists.”  Source

  10. 10.

    bystander

    @Chyron HR: In all fairness to Meghan, she’s not very bright and the only reason anyone outside her immediate family hears anything she says is because she won the Lucky Sperm Contest.

  12. 12.

    Bobby Thomson

    Without Meghan to speak for that old hermit, John Wahtsisname, who would ever know what he thinks today?

  13. 13.

    But her emails!!

    Meghan literally wrote a book about her father’s election. Maybe she forgot because she wasn’t actually the writer.

  14. 14.

    Waratah

    We arrived in Fort Lauderdale yesterday to board the the Harmony of the Seas for a cruise that has been booked for months. The islands we were suppose to see were in the Eastern Carribean after a few changes we are now going to the Western Carribean.
    Fort Lauderdale looks very good there were still some piles of trash that needed to be picked up and the sand on the beach had stuff washed in.

  15. 15.

    satby

    Gah! Got up at 4:30 to pack and get to the Farmer’s Market, and because I wasn’t there earlier this week I didn’t get a booth. It’s a two-tiered lottery, you have priority if you sell additional days, but I got a rescue call on Thursday that tied me up. So now I’m home and can’t unload the car in the rain. Stayed up late finishing lotions too, dammit!

  18. 18.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Heh. Meet our newest Senatorial candidate in the GOP primary to run against McCaskill:

    He stared into the camera with squinted eyes and a puffed-out chest. He did not smile. He wore a collared shirt with no tie, his thick brown hair tossed to the side.
    His head shot was attached to a press release, which popped into reporters’ inboxes last Tuesday.
    The man’s name: Courtland Sykes. His mission: U.S. Senate, 2018.
    ……
    In a 20-minute interview on Monday, Sykes, 37, struggled to answer questions about when the United States should exercise military force. Sykes declined a second interview. But he did send over an 11-page document in a question-and-answer format.

    In the document, Sykes criticizes political correctness. He takes aim at modern feminism, praises Breitbart News, derides “Big Media,” belittles the Muslim faith and, in a jab at the nation’s education system, says Detroit “is crawling with uneducated people who can’t read a breakfast menu.”

    In his final answer, Sykes responded to the question: “Do you favor women’s rights?”
    “Chanel (Rion), my fiancee, has given me orders to favor these rights, so I’d better,” he said. “But Chanel knows that my obedience comes with a small price that she loves to pay anyway — I want to come home to a home-cooked dinner at six every night, one that she fixes. It’s exactly the kind of family dinner that I expect one day my future daughters will learn to make after they too become traditional homemakers and family wives — think Norman Rockwell here — and Gloria Steinham (sic) be damned.”

    In his document, Sykes also says it’s time for social programs implemented in the 20th century to “go away.” He wants to “stop Muslim immigration cold for now.” He wants to eliminate most U.S. laws. And he says those who work in advertising, lawmaking, law enforcement, lobbying and other fields are part of an industry that “employs millions who drink swamp juice every day.”

    The Post-Dispatch forwarded the statements to John Messmer, a political science professor at St. Louis Community College at Meramec.

    He said the document reads like “Trump-inspired populism on steroids. I’m 99.9 percent sure it’s not parody, It’s not something strategic done by the Democratic side or someone that’s looking to criticize the conservative or Republican position. I do hold back that .1 percent, This might be one of the greatest examples of political performance art I’ve ever seen.”

  19. 19.

    bystander

    In case the NBC News article on the Burr statement’s discrepancy has not been linked, here it is.

    Those two people, one close to Steele and one familiar with the committee discussions, said that one of the sticking points was Steele’s unwillingness to discuss who underwrote his work. Steele, who once worked as a British spy in Russia, was hired by the firm Fusion GPS, which was conducting opposition research originally funded by undisclosed Republican opponents of Donald Trump, according to a source close to Steele. During the general election, unknown Democrats began picking up the tab, sources familiar with the matter have said.

    So, the dossier started as a Jeb! project but got picked up by the Dems (HRC? Soros?), and Burr wants to impugn the report as tainted because of the source money. He sort of admits the facts reported are true but he needs to create a shadow over the dossier for Andrea Mitchell to tut tut about.

  20. 20.

    Amir Khalid

    @satby:
    Meghan McCain remained a loyal Republican after the horrible rumours about her sister that some Republicans spread to undermine John S. III’s 2000 presidential campaign. I’ve always wondered why.

  21. 21.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    What I remember about McCain “moving on” is that he was a complete dick the first time he was at Obama’s White House in February 2009. He got up at some economic conference and started bitching to Obama on camera about the cost of the Marine One helicopter—​which Obama had fuck-all to do with and had inherited along with every other mess in the country. Story here.

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Lapassionara: 70% chance of rain for us in Washington Co. (NWS says 60% in STL) On Tuesday we had some storms move through that left about 1/2″ in Union but when I got home I found about 2 inches in my wheelbarrow. The first good rain we’ve had in a month.

  25. 25.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @satby: Look on the brightside. You’ve already done all your prep for next week so now you can take it easy, read a book.

  28. 28.

    SFAW

    @Amir Khalid:

    Who won’t be a US Senator, or a married man, for very long.

    Amir, have you learned nothing about red-state ‘Murica?

    Cleek’s Law every day, some days more than others. As for the “married” thing: I expect that he’s marrying her in large part because she’s A-OK with being “the little woman.” Even if she is smarter than he is, which is admittedly a pretty low bar to set.

  31. 31.

    SFAW

    @Amir Khalid:

    Meghan McCain remained a loyal Republican after the horrible rumours about her sister that some Republicans spread to undermine John S. III’s 2000 presidential campaign. I’ve always wondered why.

    Because she’s a horrible person? Just a guess.

    Of course, no worse than her father, who (figuratively) fellated W after Rove and company pulled that shit in SC about his daughter. Maybe I’m a bad father, but were someone to go after my kid — adopted or not — to get at me, I’d find a way to make them suffer, not ask if I could (figuratively) blow them. But that’s me, and I’m a bad father.

    With a non-adopted sibling, there might be some rivalry issues; there had better not be with a parent.

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Just 24 percent of Americans believe the country is heading in the right direction after a tumultuous stretch for President Donald Trump that included the threat of war with North Korea, stormy complaints about hurricane relief and Trump’s equivocating about white supremacists. That’s a 10-point drop since June, according to a poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

    The decline in optimism about the nation’s trajectory is particularly pronounced among Republicans. In June, 60 percent of Republicans said the country was headed in the right direction; now it’s just 44 percent.

    The broader picture for the president is grim, too. Nearly 70 percent of Americans say Trump isn’t level-headed, and majorities say he’s not honest or a strong leader. More than 60 percent disapprove of how he is handling race relations, foreign policy and immigration, among other issues.

    Overall, 67 percent of Americans disapprove of the job Trump is doing in office, including about one-third of Republicans.

  33. 33.

    rikyrah

    @bystander:
    All the while pretending that’s not what he is doing.
    It was originally a Republican that hired Steele. Somewhere along the way, Steele wasn’t working for anyone, but following the evidence and his spy hunches.

  34. 34.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    “Your helicopter is now going to cost as much as Air Force One.” (video)

    This is McCain, with the entire U.S. economy teetering on the brink of the abyss, bitching about one small item in the vast morass of “military procurement.” What a dick. Oh, yeah, Meghan, clearly he moved on.

    And of course in that clip Obama pwns McCain without breaking a sweat.

    . . . I’m a little surprised to see how apparently I haven’t moved on from this. But it really did strike me at the time, because it was just about the first time McCain had appeared in the news since Inauguration Day, and that’s where he went?! He could have just kept his yap shut and scowled at everybody.

  36. 36.

    SFAW

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Just 24 percent of Americans believe the country is heading in the right direction after a tumultuous eight-year stretch for former President Donald Trump Barack Hussein Obama

    The Fox News version.

  38. 38.

    ThresherK

    @OzarkHillbilly: As a New Englander, I would like that Midwesterner to think Norman Rockwell, too. He can start with The “Four Freedoms” and continue to “The Problem we all Live With”.

  40. 40.

    SFAW

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    . . . I’m a little surprised to see how apparently I haven’t moved on from this.

    No big deal. In the modern political world, Dems are supposed to “move on” within a few days after Rethugs steal an election (or similar), but it’s OK if Rethugs don’t have to “move on” until after another Rethug is “elected.”

    It’s not exactly a corollary to Cleek’s Law, but it’s not too different.

  46. 46.

    gene108

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Sykes criticizes political correctness.

    I really want a white man to be politically incorrect, and realize political correctness just protects him from himself.

    Todd Akin sort of demonstrated this six years ago.

  49. 49.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @rikyrah: I’m pretty sure no small part of the 27% are upset by how how few of the promises he’s made he has actually kept.

    @SFAW: Yep, too true.

  51. 51.

    debbie

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I love his idea that good news reporting is that the Republicans have received more donations than Democrats. Back out the mega-donors and he’d likely be very, very SAD!

  53. 53.

    TS

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Just 24 percent of Americans believe the country is heading in the right direction

    So it would seem 76% don’t seem to believe the president* is Making America Great Again.

  54. 54.

    Betty Cracker

    Hillary Clinton is definitely not running again; she’s made that crystal clear. That’s why I find the zeal to belittle her and the constant demands for her to shut up and go away so infuriating. She’s not a threat to you anymore, assholes! You don’t care what she has to say? Change the channel. Don’t buy her book. But she’s an inspirational figure for tens of millions of women (and men), and when you tell HER to shut up and go away, you’re telling US to shut up and go away. And some of us won’t react to that with the grace Ms. Clinton displays in the face of unhinged hatred.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    Not that it matters, but that really isn’t true about John McCain. He complains constantly about the winner of the Presidential election, whoever the winner happens to be. He’s clearly angry that he’s not President – that’s really his reason for working, as far as I can tell.

    I know he’s very ill but the truth is his 2 legislative issues were campaign finance reform and immigration and his own Party cut him off at the knees on both of them. He can’t even blame Democrats. My God, the name of the campaign finance law conservatives obliterated was McCain Feingold.

    The best example of an adept mover-on is probably John Kerry.

  60. 60.

    Steeplejack

    My plans for the day: I’ve got a load of cleaning and neatening to do. I have an out-of-town visitor arriving tomorrow night, an 80-year-old woman from Alaska who I haven’t seen (I suddenly realize) in probably 15 years, although we’re in regular phone and e-mail contact. How time flies. She’s not staying with me, but I’m sure we’ll want to spend time hanging out here. She is an artist and wants to hit some of the museums downtown in her four-day stay.

  61. 61.

    Amir Khalid

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Do the “I like what he’s saying” crowd still like what the Dotard is saying? Or have the media over there finally begun to cut back on fetishising them?

  63. 63.

    A Ghost to Most

    @debbie: Um, no.

    Fueled by a string of fundraising appeals from President Trump to his supporters, the Republican Party is on track to raise more money from small-dollar contributions than it has collected in more than a decade.

    Wapo. Malignant cancervativism is incurable.

  65. 65.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    It became a running joke after ’08- they were interviewing President McCain again to critique President Obama.

    McCain wants the executive branch role on foreign policy, which is sort of a problem since he’s in the legislature.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    @Kay: Yep. I remember. Compare the behavior of McCain and Kerry after their losses and it’s clear MM is talking out of her ass.

  68. 68.

    rikyrah

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Because the late night folks have his number, and because in the middle of political commentary, they can make jokes that make fun of him. Seeing the audience laugh at him, burns him up.

  69. 69.

    A Ghost to Most

    @Betty Cracker: If they are still fixated on HRC, GOOD! It means they aren’t paying attention to actual candidates.

    One more valuable service from HRC.

  71. 71.

    Kay

    In June, 60 percent of Republicans said the country was headed in the right direction; now it’s just 44 percent.

    I wonder if this disconnect between the economic numbers and how people feel about the country will continue, because this was true of Obama too- the economy had technically recovered but there was no boost from that. That would be uncharted territory, if the economy no longer matters in elections.

    People are working in this county and have been since 2015. We’re at full employment. There are billboards and “open” interviews- they just leave the signs up- they are basically hiring anyone who wanders in. They aren’t making more than they were in 2000 but they aren’t making less either- the decline in wages and standard of living has a long arc. It didn’t occur WITH the financial crash. So why aren’t they more optimistic?

  75. 75.

    Millard Filmore

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Trump wants to bring back the Fairness Doctrine this morning.

    That would mean 50% of the stories on Fox would praise Trump, and 50% of the stories on Fox would come from Trump’s propaganda office praising Trump.

  76. 76.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    Right, but that was supposed to be taken care of by restoring old white men to their proper place, at the top of the heap.

    When do these fuckers cheer up? Why are they still moping around? They got their douchebag and his merry band of yes-men in Congress. They’re still not happy? They want a slightly different mix of yes-men?

  77. 77.

    Laura

    I’m in Majorx4’s beautiful City by the Bay for Hardly, Strictly Bluegrass music festival

  79. 79.

    Baud

    @Kay: They’re not happy because they know they aren’t winning despite being in control of everything. We aren’t deferring to their superiority. And Hillary Clinton still roams the earth freely, without a care about being locked up.

  80. 80.

    NorthLeft12

    Note to Deadbeat Donald: You will never get a hug from Miley Cyrus…….you creepy douchecanoe.

  82. 82.

    MomSense

    Another chores weekend for me. My son is meeting me at my dad’s place to finish the splitting and stacking project. Lots of other chores to do as well.

    Our right to choose our president was stolen from us. Our constitution never imagined the ethical bankruptcy of today’s republican party and that’s why we don’t have a mechanism for redress. The EC was supposed to serve as the safeguard for precisely the foreign interference scenario we experienced.

    We are in a constitutional crisis. The good news is that Mueller’s team seems to be closing in on the traitors. The bad news is that the Rootabega Rat is feeling cornered. So we have to be strong and keep fighting back even though we are tired and pissed off and sick of dealing with this crap.

    The times we are living in are a little too interesting for my taste.

  86. 86.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Meghan McCain @

    When my father lost, we prayed, hiked, grilled a lot of red meat….and then he went back to work and completely moved

    When he really lost he sat for years in a POW camp you insipid entitled political hack. Also, Obama didn’t bet McCain in 2008 by conspiring with a national enemy, perhaps that’s why McCain isn’t such of a fan of Trump and Hillary can’t just let it go?

  89. 89.

    Peale

    @OzarkHillbilly: Gloria Steinem? Norman Rockwell? Is this guy 70 years old?

    He’s expecting home cooked meals from his fiancé? Are they sharing a home already before marriage? Does he expect her to come to his house to cook them? I bet he’s shacked up with her but will excuse himself from that breach of “traditional Norman Rockwell values.”

  90. 90.

    Tazj

    I think some conservatives would die happy with the world going up in flames secure with the knowledge that Hillary never became president.

    I have to go to a wedding reception in Toronto today but I’m dreading it. I have to leave after my son’s soccer game because if he doesn’t play they might have to forfeit. I just know with the Canadian Thanksgiving traffic, my complaining kids,hot head husband and my old lady problems it’s not going to be fun.

  91. 91.

    Kathleen

    @Betty Cracker: @Baud: Righteous rant, Betty C. I’m having a very hard time letting go. Don’t know if I ever will. But it’s more than what happened to Hillary. It represents the trajectory of hatred, racism and misogyny that Rethuglicans have gotten away with (thank you, Mainslime Media) for too long.

    And Double Triple What Baud Said.

  92. 92.

    Baud

    It’s amazing that they are still discovering stuff like this.

    You are now among the first people to see the brain’s lymphatic system. The vessels in the photo above transport fluid that is likely crucial to metabolic and inflammatory processes. Until now, no one knew for sure that they existed.

    Doctors practicing today have been taught that there are no lymphatic vessels inside the skull. Those deep-purple vessels were seen for the first time in images published this week by researchers at the U.S. National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

    The Atlantic.

  93. 93.

    CarolDuhart2

    @Kay: They are still old. And nobody else is shutting up or deferring to them either. Women aren’t leaving their jobs, the kids aren’t coming back to the hometown, coal isn’t reviving.

  95. 95.

    Betty Cracker

    My husband has become fixated on a motorcycle, and I know it’s my job to talk him out of it, but I like it too! It’s so retro! Looks like something you’d see in a Bruce Lee movie. You’d need a flag helmet to ride the damn thing!

  96. 96.

    Kay

    @Tazj:

    Except they aren’t happy. They’re miserable. Trump was down to 32% in a poll I saw yesterday and they loathe their congressional leaders almost as much as we do. FOX doesn’t even cover bad news and they’re still miserable. Imagine if they knew what Trump was actually up to.

    I don’t know- I’m starting to think they’re just angry assholes, like their leader. 32% sounds about right.

  97. 97.

    Kathleen

    @Kay: They won’t be happy until AA’s, Muslims, immigrants and Democrats are locked up in FEMA camps. Or better, dead.

  98. 98.

    gene108

    @Betty Cracker:

    She’s not a threat to you anymore, assholes!

    She is still very much a threat, because she inspired millions of us to believe an inclusive, tolerant, and just America can be achieved. The gains in gay rights can be expanded. We can work to ending racial discrimination in policing and sentencing. And the list goes on.

    And as a private citizen, who – unlike her husband – is not hamstrung by whatever tradition exists that former Presidents do not criticize current Presidents, she is free to keep voicing her opinion.

  100. 100.

    WereBear

    @Kay: I’m starting to think they’re just angry assholes, like their leader.

    Got it in one.

    They can’t be happy until all their twisted fantasies will come true, which will never happen. So instead they build an Empire of Whining.

    Ralph: “I’m the King, and you’re nothing!”

    Alice: “Congratulations. You’re the king of nothing.”

  101. 101.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    That is so funny you mention that. Mine has had motorcycles forever. We had two but he’s down to one. He’s selling it because he needs room in the garage for a riding mower. Our youngest cuts the lawn with the push mower but he’s not going to be around forever! We’re not pushing that thing for two hours, that’s for sure.

    I don’t ride on it as much as I used to but I “get” why people enjoy them- it’s fun to ride although I have no desire to drive it.

    The end of an era :)

  103. 103.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    One of my son’s friends built a motorcycle from a kit. I was blown away by that. First they have a kit and second that he actually finished the whole thing and it “worked”.

  107. 107.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    He sort of gradually stopped. I remember the day he said it has to be above 60 degrees for a ride :)

    Funnily enough he gave my middle son 1000 dollars if he wouldn’t buy a motorcycle. That son is a tad reckless though. He took him up on it and actually collected, which I thought was mean of him- to collect- but they were fine with the deal.

  108. 108.

    Betty Cracker

    @Kay: They are fun! Hubby had a motorcycle when we first started dating — it was the only thing that made my mother suspicious about him!

  112. 112.

    Ken

    @gene108:

    whatever tradition exists that former Presidents do not criticize current Presidents

    OMG. I just realized Trump’s going to keep ruining things after he’s out of office.

  113. 113.

    satby

    @OzarkHillbilly: my youngest was working on restoring one but the ex-gf wouldn’t give it back out of the storage unit when they broke up. I used to love riding but I’m more conservative about my kids’ safety, even when all those kids are in their 30s.

  114. 114.

    No Drought No More

    “..but I want our country to understand how resilient we are. We are such an extraordinary collection of people, and energy and all sorts of great potential..”.

    Apparently, however, they’re just not resilient enough to be told the truth about the calculated lies told by those that stampeded the country to war in Iraq.

    I don’t understand democrats sense of loyalty to someone who proved so catastrophically wrong in supporting the Bush-Cheney (et.al.) plot to war, and who remains so cavalierly unrepentant about . After all, John Kerry certainly doesn’t rate that kind of love, even though, unlike Hillary, he can at least lay claim to some significant legislative achievements throughout his career.

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    germy

    There Will Be Another Woman to Break the Next Glass Ceiling

    And when she comes along and wins the nomination, I predict a flock (murder?) of previously
    unheard from commenters will launch their “neoliberal wall street shill” crows to derail every thread.

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    Betty Cracker

    @OzarkHillbilly: I was horrified when my little brother (who is in his mid-30s and 6’4″ but still my little brother) got one several years back. He’s such a dummy! ? He has since sold it. Whew!

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    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    They make a lot more sense in Florida. His were in the garage the vast majority of the time. The motorcycle from a kit was neat looking- it’s stripped down- you can see all the works.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    @satby: I had one. They are fun. Too much fun for an idiot like me. My son is smarter than I was, but the idiots on the road haven’t gotten any smarter in the 35 years since I had one.

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    J R in WV

    @rikyrah:

    You know, lots of things, when they spin too fast, they shatter into tiny bits flinging all over the place. Is it too much to hope that Faux will spin espionage stories so fast they destroy the business?? I’m so optimistic.

    Will go now to make 18 hard-boiled eggs for deviled eggs, and bake an artichoke-heart/cheese dip casserole for the Intergalactic Homebrew festival this evening at a neighbor’s farm. No entries from us, but frabjous beer and food, campfire, old tyme music picking, etc.

    Plus a meteor shower, sky gods willing!!!

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    OzarkHillbilly

    @J R in WV:

    but frabjous beer and food, campfire, old tyme music picking, etc.

    Plus a meteor shower, sky gods willing!!!

    Can I come too?

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    bemused

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):

    One of the most beautiful sights in northern MN is the brilliantly colored autumn leaves reflected on a perfectly still lake. Brainerd is more central MN so you may still have full color yet there. In the NE we are getting past peak color but it’s still pretty. If it gets windy this weekend, most leaves will be down. I’m always sad when the leaves fall because the vivid yellow, orange and red leaf cover really brightens up the cloudy days and fewer hours of daylight. Even in dusk, those glowing leaves have a light effect.

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    gene108

    @No Drought No More:

    I don’t understand democrats sense of loyalty to someone who proved so catastrophically wrong in supporting the Bush-Cheney (et.al.) plot to war, and who remains so cavalierly unrepentant about

    In October 2002, Bush, Jr sold the need to be able to use force as a stick needed to get weapons inspectors back in Iraq, which was a goal both parties supported. He did not sell the authorization to use force as an open declaration of war. It was let the inspectors in or we use force.

    If Bush, Jr had been honest to Congress and the American people, he would have stopped when Saddam let the inspectors back in, shortly after the authorization to use force passed Congress.

    Bush lied, not only to us, but also to Congress.

    I can forgive people in Congress for thinking the President would not so blatantly lie to them, as they have some level of institutional power to exact reprisals in such cases.

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    bemused

    @Kay:

    I agree. There is that segment of Americans that are perpetually angry bitchers. I think they were born with the crabass genes.

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    Uncle Ebeneezer

    @No Drought No More: If you still don’t get it after reading the 100’s of 1,000’s of words written, videos, podcasts etc. on the topic, explaining it, maybe the problem is YOU.

  137. 137.

    Betty Cracker

    @No Drought No More: Wild guess: you’re a white dude?

    I hate thinking this way. I love white dudes — married one 20+ years ago! But goddamn, are most of y’all utterly clueless. It’s wearying.

  138. 138.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Meghan McCain ✔ @ MeghanMcCain
    When my father lost, we prayed, hiked, grilled a lot of red meat….and then he went back to work and completely moved on.

    And from flip-flopping on climate change and closing Gitmo and Wall Street regulation and right up to the end with the blockade of Merrick Garland, conducted an eight year campaign of spiteful, bitter trolling of the duly elected President of the United States. And you yourself, dear Megs, blundered through a third rate pundit’s career, arrogant and blissfully unaware that nobody would have paid you a dime or pointed a camera at you if your name were Smith, or even Hensley. She really is an amazingly stupid human being.

    and trying to pass the old man off as prayerful… it’s not as offensive, even to this old atheist, as when trump does it, but it is laughable.

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    Matt McIrvin

    @Kay: If it’s the one I’m seeing on HuffPollster, that’s an AP-NORC poll that appears to have been a consistent low outlier–they had Trump at 35% approval in June when his approval in the average of polls was closer to 39-40%.

    I think it’s important not to be misled by polls that seem unusually encouraging. I’ve noticed that the polls like Quinnipiac that show Trump’s approval in the low thirties always get echoed around the liberal blogosphere, but if you look at Huffington Post or RCP’s averages of polls, they’ve shown him most of the time in the high thirties, low forties when he has a good week. Knock out Rasmussen, which is probably bullshit, and that takes off about a point, so he’s at about 38% now. I’m not willing to believe that all the polls that look good for Trump are cooked, while the polls that look bad for him aren’t–that’s motivated reasoning. A lot of people like his shtick.

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    Matt McIrvin

    @schrodingers_cat: It’s not good. But Trump was elected President with a personal approval rating that was lower than that. I’d be happier if he were down in Jimmy Carter or late George W. Bush territory, but he’s not, not yet at least. I think party polarization is so hardened that numbers like that may literally be impossible.

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    Uncle Ebeneezer

    @Betty Cracker: No, your assumption is perfectly fair. Assume d-canoes on internet are White dudes, until proven otherwise. Also applies to White People: racist.

  147. 147.

    Matt McIrvin

    @schrodingers_cat: Definitely not–however, Bill Clinton had a moment in his first year when he was down that far, and Ronald Reagan got to sub-Trump territory later in his first term. It wasn’t sustained; presidential approval ratings seem to have been more volatile in those days, maybe because of lower partisanship.

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    Ruckus

    @Betty Cracker:
    Well said.
    She won the popular vote, she should be our president, rather than that whiny 4 yr old, bloated, bigoted, narcissistic, sociopathic asshole who is. I just wonder if those who are complaining about HRC are complaining because they are even less human than that whiny 4 yr old, bloated, bigoted, narcissistic, sociopathic asshole?

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    Ruckus

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Some of the idiots out here in lala land have. Been riding for 50 yrs and while is still dangerous, it is also better. Most of the time. If you don’t want to or can’t pay 100% attention and have solid reflexes and knowledge they will get you. And at some time a person loses either the desire or the skill to pay attention and react. That is the time to hang up your gear. I have a friend who is a bit older and he quit about 2-3 yrs ago. The cries about how horrible it was to stop were, fucking stupid. This man knows himself better than they did for sure. He lost the desire, and that’s the end of it. His choice, better that he made it than some moron made it for him.

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