As they say in the Ranger Regiment: “That’s a technique!”
.@gabrielsherman: GOP source says Kelly & Mattis discuss what to do if Trump lunges for the nuclear football #inners https://t.co/porBwgBB2V
— All In w/Chris Hayes (@allinwithchris) October 11, 2017
Edited for Clarification:
It is important to remember that Sherman is relating what he has been told by a senior Republican in DC about what that individual believes to knows the discussions have been. But that people are speculating that this might happen is an important indicator of just how bad the problem is.
I got nothing!
Jeffro
I am guessing they signal to the nearest agent and say “double tap”
That’s how the movie version goes anyway
Baud
The news reports were wrong. Baud! is not dead!
MP
I’d rather have them think through this ahead of time than pretend it’s not something that could happen.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
Tackling the president? That’s new.
Corner Stone
Oh, come on.
Spanky
“Lunges”???
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: I am not surprised they have had a discussion about verification of orders and things like that. But this is just way out there.
Baud
@Spanky: I caught that too. I assumed the suitcase didn’t just have a big read button in it.
Corner Stone
Trump: “Hey guys. I’ve got a bad case of the poops. Anyone seen my phone? Oh well. Have the football duty officer bring it in to my gold throne room when he finds it on my nightstand.”
Jeffro
FYI this has been a concern of most of us ever since election day and certainly since Inauguration Day…
…When members of the presidents own party are talking about “adult daycare” and there are publicly leaked concerns about the nuclear football, Well at least we know it is the beginning of the end in one sense or the other
geg6
Jesus. Well, that’s a good thing, I guess.
*sobs uncontrollably*
germy
@Jeffro:
Vulcan nerve pinch.
Corner Stone
@Baud:
That may be true. But have you ever lived? I mean really lived?!!
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
Look at the bright side! Mattis and Kelly might accidently crack Trump’s skull open on the Oval Office desk in the scuffle and incapacitate/kill him.
Corner Stone
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I didn’t get a “Harumph” from that guy!
schrodingers_cat
What about the 3rd musketeer, McBald? He looks as big as M and K put together.
raven
Jiggs, spring into action!
Hal
So basically The Dead Zone
Jeffro
@germy: that’s in the sci-fi version
Jeffro
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: “accidentally”
germy
“Blackish” just had an episode on post-partum depression, and it was intense. Some of the best writing I’ve seen on network television. Perfect blend of comedy and drama.
And Diane, one of the funniest characters, wrote thank you notes at the end to everyone in her father’s office. Her note to Dre’s co-worker (the guy she feuds with) is “I now know where you live. That will be your last mistake.”
Major Major Major Major
My friend found a great garage door paint job.
Baud
@Corner Stone: Why’d you have to bring that up?
opiejeanne
@Baud: I, for one, am relieved. The reported manner of your demise does not bear contemplation.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Which news reports? Should we blame Garbage Times?
PhoenixRising
@Hal: I have recommended that book to every teen I run into, and some of the smarter adults.
Where is our Johnny Smith?
Omnes Omnibus
@opiejeanne: Mauled by drop bears?
raven
US is running out of time for the World Cup.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Apparently, it’s the Russians.
Corner Stone
@opiejeanne: Baud to proctologist: “Million to one shot, Doc! Million to one!”
germy
Why do I keep seeing ads for CPAP here?
And if I slept on the International Space Station, would the lack of gravity keep my airway from collapsing?
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Jeffro:
And then the Generals’ coup will be complete!
/s
Amir Khalid
“Look, Mr. President! A squirrel!”
You can do that only so many times before Trump catches on. Then he’ll start waiting for you to get distracted so he can snatch the football and nuke Pyongyang — and at some point you will be, that’s just life.
Corner Stone
@germy:
I did not watch the episode. But I will just say that post-partum depression is no joke.
raven
Five minutes extra time, if we don’t score we’re out.
Corner Stone
Waiting for Generals to save us is like betting on Superman double-crossing General Zod with the whole “De-Supermanning Booth Rays Bullshit” that Supes talked his arrogant ass into.
germy
@Corner Stone: The new Man Of Steel simply snaps his neck.
Gravenstone
@Adam L Silverman: Is it wrong (okay, it’s actually horrible) that I’ve been envisioning Kelly snapping Trump’s neck should he make a move to launch a first strike. Then turning to Pence and promising he’s next if he so much as thinks about an unwarranted nuclear attack – before turning himself over to Secret Service detail for actions against their protectee.
Yeah, my imagination gets a little out of control some days.
Manyakitty
@geg6: That was my initial response, too.
Manyakitty
@Omnes Omnibus: I prefer water bears.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Gravenstone:
Not at all. When the lives of hundreds of millions hang in the balance it’s perfectly natural to fantasize about an evil asshole like Trump getting 86ed. It’s the sane response to this shit.
Adam L Silverman
@Gravenstone: Yes.
My professional guess is that discussions have been had between Mattis, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Dunford, Kelly, and most likely LTG McMaster about verification of orders prior to execution of them. The tackling thing is something new and, again, as I put in a clarification in the post this is Sherman reporting what he was told be a senior GOP official in DC who indicated he believes to knows these types of conversations have occurred.
schrodingers_cat
@Corner Stone: I asked in the morning thread, what evidence do we have that they do indeed want to save us? Except for these leaks to subservient media bots?
Spanky
@Gravenstone:
Uuuhhhhhmmmmm. Is that your imagination, or just another one of those little “conversations” between White House seniors? I’m thinking it’s not so far out there, in these times.
opiejeanne
@Manyakitty: It would take a lot of water bears.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@schrodingers_cat:
Starting a nuclear war in NoKo could potentially escalate into a global nuclear war if some of our missiles missed NK and hit the PRC or Russia. I imagine the generals would want to prevent the deaths of hundreds of millions.
Brachiator
@Gravenstone:
Reminds me of Jaime Lannister, on Game of Thrones, who slew the Mad King in violation of his oath to protect the royal family.
Obviously though, although I might want Trump to step down, retire, etc, I do not wish any actual harm to him.
..
mike in dc
An ICBM launch at NK is a non-starter…too much risk that China or Russia would misinterpret. Even an SLBM launch from 2000 klicks away would be slightly risky. Basically a nuke strike on NK has to involve either cruise missiles or gravity bombs(B61 or B83). That has the benefit that it will take longer to set up the strike and for it to reach its target–time for cooler heads to intervene and abort the strike. If he ordered a missile strike, he should/must be removed from office that same week. The only circumstances under which nuking NK is acceptable: 1) They launch nukes first; 2) we have high confidence intel(with no dissenting experts) that says they’re about to do 1. Even conventional bombing NK sites is unacceptable unless we have intel of an imminent attack.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat: What evidence do you have that they are both stupid and insane?
Manyakitty
@opiejeanne: lolz
Corner Stone
@schrodingers_cat: Some people still believe in our institutions to save us.
opiejeanne
@Omnes Omnibus: It involved rabid ferrets and cream pies.
p.a.
I think they’ve given ACP (angry circus peanut: still the most fitting IMO nickname) the ‘Staples’ button in a case in place of the real boom boom case.
Corner Stone
@mike in dc: A quite rational assessment.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Not save us, but rather hold off disaster long enough for us to make a change through the ballot box.
Gretchen
@Spanky: Yeah. “Lunges” assumes more physical fitness than he has evidenced. They probably just need to keep it on the floor so he can’t bend over so far.
father pussbucket
Maybe if they kneel, he’ll boycott the football?
SFAW
@mike in dc:
ZEGS says he’ll consider it, if it’s after Shitgibbon signs the Billionaire’s Tax Cut. Otherwise, it’s all “He’s still learning.”
Brachiator
@germy:
Thanks for the heads up. I will try to watch it later tonight.
..
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: I don’t think they are either stupid or insane. At this point this hope that everyone seems to be pinning on the generals seems more like wishful thinking than anything else. Let’s not forget these two personages were standing right behind the President as he signed the Muslim Ban 1.0.
chris
@Major Major Major Major: Thank you, that’s wonderful! Bookmarked his Instagram to savour later.
Corner Stone
@Brachiator: What’s with the dots?
Mnemosyne
@father pussbucket:
You win the thread.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@schrodingers_cat:
I normally agree with you a lot, but come on.
Nuclear war does not = Muslim Ban 1.0.
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: Any rational person who has observed Trump sees clearly that he is unfit for office. Any insider who has tried to interact with him for more than 2 minutes *has* to know he is well beyond gone. With lots of true votes, tricks and etc he is elected POTUS. He does not have to stay there except through cowardice.
Waiting for 2018 to flip one part of Congress, IMO, is the same thing as hoping the Generals will save us.
jl
Hoooo-kaayyy. Thanks for the info. Adam. Hope Kelly, Mattis and Tillerson are hitting the gym. Kelly and Mattis could hold off Trump no problem. Tillerson? Dunford in on it?
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat: It was reported at the time that advanced notice was not provided for what he was going to be signing or that he was going to be even doing EO signings. That’s why the venue at the Pentagon, in front of the Medal of Honor panel, was so disconcerting and incongruous. This is not something that would or should be done there.
That said: Mattis has no control over that. He’s the Secretary of Defense. Kelly, regardless of what you believe, is known to be a political moderate who follows lawful orders through the chain of command. As long as an EO was lawful, if it applied to his department when he was the secretary, he was going to carry it out.
Davebo
The answer is simple. Just tell him that, for security reasons, he has to memorize the codes. Then make them more than 7 characters long.
Corner Stone
To be clear. The policies they are trying to put in place are bad enough. However, I honestly think we’re faced with an existential threat from the inside. That is no longer hyperbole, IMO.
JPL
We live in strange times.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat:
And this relates to their being okay with a first strike on NK or something similar how? They are obviously on the right politically. They are quite possibly assholes. Nevertheless, I tend to doubt that they are cool with nuking Norks based on a Twitter fight. .
schrodingers_cat
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: I didn’t say it was. I am just gauging their intent by their past actions of whether they will stand up to T, when the time comes. Also, what kind of precedent is this setting? That cabinet members can defy civilian authority if they were once uniformed military? That’s a dangerous precedent. Even if they do save us, its still a lose-lose.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: What do you suggest then?
Davebo
@Corner Stone:
The call is coming from inside the house!
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: No, oh, noooo, not drop bears!
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: I am not sure that they can or will stand up to the President. I never said they want to nuke NK.
sharl
I have seen other clever suggestions like this, which rely on a degree of consistency and regularity in deeds matching with words that Twitler hasn’t demonstrated up to this point. Doesn’t hurt to hope though, and in any case hopefully all of this will stay within the realm of darkly funny scenarios that are only imagined.
jl
IIRC correctly, Jefferson wrote some stuff about the Constitution not being a suicide pact. The famous phrase may have come from him, but I’m not sure.
I think he wrote that there are times when high officials should take measures necessary, and then throw themselves on the mercy of the country.
That’s movie stuff, though. I think Jefferson came close to taking extra-constitutional measures, or pushed the envelope. He was good enough politician to not fess up or throw himself to anyone’s mercy, but told people that the less said about it the better.
but if Trump gets ready to commit unlawful catastrophic war, or commit serious human rights crimes, we will be be in Jefferson’s scenario.
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: FWIW I do think flipping the control of one or two chambers of the legislature will change the dynamic. But expect the press to carry T’s water even more.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Would you prefer something American like a hodag?
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: One-inch death punch, bitches.
efgoldman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Starting with the tens of thousands of Americans, military and civilian, who would be killed right away.
schrodingers_cat
@Adam L Silverman: Before the partisan Supreme Court decided in its favor, that issue was far from clear.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Corner Stone:
So what’s your solution? Assassination?
Timurid
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):
You go across the middle against John F. Kelly, you better make sure your chinstrap is buckled on tight…
A Ghost to Most
Still using Kaspersky software?
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: “Something got to Baud! out on the Appalachian Trail…we don’t know what, exactly, but…*something*…”
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@schrodingers_cat: Possible escalation into global nuclear war for no good reason? You bet your ass they’ll do whatever they can to stop him. And yeah, it does set a crappy precedent expecting retired military cabinet/WH appointees to save us, but I’ll take crappy precedent over the potential end of modern civilization any day of the week.
rikyrah
@germy:
Diane vs Charlie ALWAYS cracks me up.???
Duane
@Adam L Silverman: I know.The President is nuts.
Corner Stone
It’s weird that everyone agrees he’s going to get us all killed but want to challenge the idea that something needs to be done about him.
He’s going to de-certify the Iran deal, Congress is going to impose sanctions on Iran, Iran may very well attack our military installations, and then what?
Mueller is going to drop indictments to at least some part of the Trump team. When someone leaks that to Trump he most likely will either provoke NK or just attack them, and then what?
Bill Arnold
Fairly sure POTUS DT has not fully internalized the reality of the horrors of the 10s of millions (or 100s of millions, or billions) of deaths, mostly civilian, resulting from one or more nuclear exchanges, and the likely resulting collapse(or crippling) of civilization, then more gigadeaths. That’s an extremely difficult exercise in empathy, and DT’s empathy-fu is weak.
Still quite clearly remember my father (big construction biz) explaining to me (age 9?), on a visit to New York City/Manhattan, the difference between atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs. In the A-bomb case, if you were in the basement of a big building (he pointed at one, known to be over-engineered), you might survive. In the H-bomb case, nope. Everyone dies, fast. In the outer boroughs/nearby suburbs, most die, slower.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: More like, “Baud should never have gone out into the Wisconsin woods on his own that night. He said he was fine, but …..”
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat: The largest problem with the original order was that it wasn’t staffed properly. Miller wrote it with input from Bannon and then they gave it to the President to sign it. So it was purely a Stephen Miller fantasy made real. No one saw it in staffing, so no one could fix it or prevent it. It didn’t go to the appropriate folks at DOJ or through the Interagency for the appropriate folks, including the DHS counsel, to review and comment on it. Then Miller and Bannon compounded things by personally giving orders to DHS and DHS elements how to implement the order. Miller and Bannon have no authority to give orders to anyone.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Why don’t you suggest something that can be done? Lobby officials about the 25th Amendment? Prepare for armed rebellion? What?
danielx
From previous thread:
@A Ghost to Most:
I don’t know about all tuxedo cats, but Natasha is definitely smarter than Boris. Which frankly does not require a whole lot of heavy lifting on her part; he’s a handsome boy and enormously affectionate and social but he just ain’t bright. When he bats at the senior cat’s head while she’s eating and draws the predictable reaction, it’s understandable. When he does it for the third time and gets the same reaction (a claws-out bop to the noggin), well, certain conclusions become apparent.
Must also note the obvious – they looked like this three months ago.
Also too, Boris get off the fucking keyboard and quit chasing the cursor! Okay, now he’s going to sleep with his head on the corner of the laptop. The things one puts up with for the sake of feline companionship…
jl
@Baud:
” The news reports were wrong. Baud! is not dead! ”
You said you were virtual… so… how is this relevant to anything?
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Let’s all dial it back several clicks.
@Corner Stone: Don’t answer that question.
jl
@danielx: I think Natasha was smarter than Boris in Rocky and Bullwinkle too.
danielx
@Bill Arnold:
Lord Shortfingers’ empathy is nonexistent. If it’s not happening to him, it does not register. Period.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: Argentine divorcee with two kids.
danielx
@jl:
indeed she was, you never saw her holding onto a black cannonball with a sputtering fuse sticking out of it.
Timurid
@Bill Arnold:
“What part of ‘après moi, le déluge’ don’t you understand, peasant?”
schrodingers_cat
@Adam L Silverman: Kelly is on record saying that DACA was unconstitutional, that’s not a moderate position. His DHS was rounding up undocumented immigrants with no criminal records and so on. From all his actions at the DHS he doesn’t really seem that unsympathetic to Miller’s POV on immigration.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat: No, Kelly is on record stating that providing protection through executive order appears to him to be unconstitutional and that the remedy is for Congress to pass a bill fixing this problem. It has also been reported that he is in favor of Congress doing so. And is sympathetic to Dreamers because he knew a number who served in the military when he was still serving before he retired.
Also, it isn’t his DHS. He’s not been there since July. And when he was there what neither of us knows is what directions the President gave directly to the head of the Border Patrol.
You make these huge leaps to conclusions that there is either no evidence for, not enough information to draw a conclusion, or the evidence actually contradicts your positions.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Corner Stone: The problem we’re facing is that our system was never intended for someone like Trump to be in office. The Presidency has grown very powerful over the last century, to the point where the unitary executive can unilaterally declare war. The circumstances we found ourselves in post-ww2 almost necessitated it. In addition, it was never anticipated that Congress would be controlled by such weak craven fucks so brazenly anti-government, not to mention willing to turn a blind eye to treason.
The mess we find ourselves in is ultimately of our own doing, through political infighting that has allowed our institutions to be weakened. We as a people have grown soft, weak, and entitled to our status as a global superpower. We can’t even really blame the end of the Cold War on this rot. It started long before the Soviet Union fell.
trollhattan
@jl:
Only Natasha knew: get squvirrl first then moose.
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: We have the opening. The SecState called him a fucking Moron. The R Chairman of the Senate FRC said what everyone already knows. I’d rather try some kind of groundswell pressure and/or support on a variety of Congress, especially the Senate, than wonder what I am going to wake up to every morning. We have legal mechanisms short of armed rebellion. No need to pre-emptively give up and start snarking about assassination or armed rebellion before we engage in discussion on them. I don’t want to wait for Nov 2018/Jan 2019, nor do I think the Generals are going to prove particularly helpful.
I am getting a distinct impression of pre-ACA feeling here.
Jeffro
I still like my solution.
But then, I almost always do.
schrodingers_cat
@Adam L Silverman:Isn’t DACA precisely that, providing relief to Dreamers because Congress didn’t act. DACA was President Obama’s executive order. Which Kelly said was unconstitutional but T’s travel ban is constitutional. Since when did Kelly become a constitutional scholar.
Or are all the black President’s orders unconstitutional?
ETA: Yes I do know that he hasn’t been the DHS secretary since he became COS. I was talking about his tenure, until that happened.
father pussbucket
If I were Kelly or Mattis I would seriously arrange shifts. Also, I was shocked that at Mar-A-Lago the Football was carried by some barely-shaving kid who didn’t know enough not to pose for pix with a civilian. I hope changes have been made to the process for selecting that guy.
Bill Arnold
@Gravenstone:
You too? I am profoundly irritated with DT for goading me into occasionally having thoughts like these. [reasons]
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat: You completely missed what Adam said. And this:
Really?
A Ghost to Not
@danielx:
Thank you . We’ve never had a tuxedo before, and didn’t know if it was just her, or the phenotype. thanks
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat: Kelly as a cabinet secretary has to go by what his senior counsel counsels. Change administration and you change the interpretation of what is and isn’t constitutional. What Kelly has consistently called for is for Congress to address and resolve this problem. Amazingly that’s what President Obama called for and he issued the EO only because he couldn’t get Congress to act. But as a lot of people, all across the spectrum, indicated when he did so – the EOs only last as long as Obama was President, he was succeeded by a president willing to keep it in place and defend it in court if necessary. At the end of the day Kelly is not wrong in believing that Congress needs to address this legislatively. Especially as the current administration was not going to defend DACA in court.
schrodingers_cat
deleted because I wrote it before reading Adam’s reply.
Brachiator
@Corner Stone: Very tiny emojis. ;)
I am posting from my phone while commuting on a train. It is difficult sometimes to get the cursor to land correctly. The dots help. But when I try to clean them up, I delete the quote/end quote markers.
Leaving a few dots is easier.
schrodingers_cat
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks for patiently explaining it to me, I think now your earlier answer makes more sense. Signing off for the night.
father pussbucket
Just occurred to me: if true, how could this possibly get out unless Kelly or Mattis wanted it to? They couldn’t be that careless, especially given the topic. So this means they want Trump to know?
Cheryl Rofer
Apologies for arriving late. My therapy kittehs feel that it is important for me to spend a couple of hours an evening away from the computer. Tonight, Ric finally figured out how to arrange himself on my lap for his maximum comfort and slept a good long time, twitching paws and nose and all that deep sleep.
A group of us discussed the problem of preventing Trump from starting a nuclear war last night. Here is my tweet that started it.
Timurid
@father pussbucket:
Every football carrier should look like John Cena, and he should start every shift by telling Trump “Unless they tell us 1,000 Russian ICBM’s are coming across the Pole, you’re going to have to fight me for this thing, bitch.”
Corner Stone
@Cheryl Rofer: I thought it was already established that no one could stop him.
Cheryl Rofer
[My computer just announced that it is shortly going to reboot itself. I clicked the “Please, not now” button, but who knows.]
Here are a couple of helpful references. (Although you may not like what they say.)
Zelma
After reading this tread, I found myself singing the Kingston Trio’s “Merry Minuet.” (You’ll remember it if you’re as old as I am). Seemed appropriate.
They’re rioting in Africa
They’re starving in Spain
There’s hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The french hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don’t like anybody very much!!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud
For man’s been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud
And we know for certain that some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away!!
They’re rioting in Africa
There’s strife in Iran
What nature doesn’t so to us
Will be done by our fellow man
Cheryl Rofer
@Corner Stone: I think that any of the generals are more than a match for him.
What I’m worried about (and others are) is a first strike, sent off because of Trump’s internal difficulties rather than a response to the real world. Nixon’s aides worried about the same sort of thing with him. What they did or discussed about it is a matter of historical argument.
schrodingers_cat
@Cheryl Rofer: Photos of therapy kittehs or it didn’t happen.
Cheryl Rofer
@schrodingers_cat: I don’t have an Instagram account or a way of inserting photos into comments. I did take one of Ric tonight, though.
Cheryl Rofer
@father pussbucket: There is some speculation by a Republican source that such conversations have taken place.
That’s from Adam’s post. I agree with this, but I have thought for months that they must be taking place, as have other nuclear weapons experts. Someone retweeted a discussion from August this afternoon, and, as you see above, we had another last night.
Chris
@father pussbucket:
I don’t know, but my first thought was “shit, it is not good that this leaked.” We already know how Trump perceives any challenge to his authority. Now that it’s out in public that yet another one or two of his underlings think he’s a child to be managed and are plotting to thwart him should the need arise, he’s going to feel the need to reassert himself, and the ways he do that are usually crude and public.
Wapiti
@Corner Stone:
So you’re saying our Washington elite can’t make a move against Trump, because he will destroy their careers. It sounds just like the actresses and Weinstein – though he probably posed a credible threat, and we weren’t talking national security in Hollywood. Profiles in courage all around DC.
Adam L Silverman
@Wapiti: There is very little to no moral courage among the elected GOP officials who have the power to do something.
SgrAstar
@Brachiator: You’re a much more evolved person than I am…..
father pussbucket
@Chris: Exactly. It made me feel better until I started wondering what happens next.
Corner Stone
@Wapiti: I think waiting for those courageous souls to wake up with new spirit the morning after tax reform fails is problematic, at best.
Corner Stone
@Cheryl Rofer: I’m not worried about a physical contest.
Cheryl Rofer
@Corner Stone: It brings up all sorts of questions of whether the military will obey a lawful order, military versus civilian, and whether they are willing to see the world destroyed. No easy answers.
Corner Stone
@Adam L Silverman: Don’t you tell me what to do, Brother Numpsay!
ChrisH
I had “Killed by his own secret service” in the “How will Trump’s presidency end?” pool. Looking like my odds are improving.
Corner Stone
@Cheryl Rofer: Certainly an interesting question for discussion.
hedgehog mobile
@Zelma: Remember Tom Lehrer’s “We Will All Go Together When We Go?”
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: That depends on the institutions. The institutions are the collective will of the people working there. You seem to have written them off. Others haven’t.
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: This sounds silly.
Corner Stone
“Say what I am. Say it out loud”
“An Institutionalist”
*grabs OO and runs with blinding speed to the nearest mountains*
Ruckus
Checking in on FB, as I have friends who need keeping track of these days of fire and brimstone here on the correct coast. Ran across a tid bit about one AL senate candidate’s son. Haven’t checked out the source but if true…….
Caleb Elisha Moore, 27
Omnes Omnibus
@Omnes Omnibus: @Corner Stone: We disagree.
Wag
@germy:
Because you, like me, have OSA and the Google knows all?
Another Scott
@jl: It was Justice Robert Jackson’s dissent in Terminiello v. Chicago in 1949.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: This is his 9th arrest. The last one was for drugs. As was the case today he blamed it on a conspiracy aimed to prevent his dad from holding office. As opposed to just a total disregard for the law.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
He does come by that total disregard honestly doesn’t he, like father, like son.
Ninth arrest, how many charges filed? Let me guess, yep, none.
How much has this cost dear ole dad? Looks like a fair bit, even for a dishonest AL politician. At least it hasn’t hurt his political life. Nice though that an AL supreme court justice can buy off his kids assholyishness. I mean really…….
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Ruckus: A RWNJ theocrat’s son has a substance abuse problem, color me surprised.
Petorado
It seems like forever ago that the Trump White House would have raged against whomever leaked this info to the press. I guess they can’t even muster paying attention to petty annoyances like message discipline. They must be jaded beyond all caring about anything anymore.
Ruckus
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
He’s got more than a substance abuse problem.
I sure wish I knew how to keep the assholes from winning. Anything. This one won the stupid asshole lottery. The one in the WH won the “I’m an asshole and I’m going to prove it as many times as possible until everyone knows it lottery.” (one in which there is no shortage of players btw) There are just too many damn lotteries that assholes like to play to prove they are entitled to be an asshole. And far too many winners as well.
sukabi
@Adam L Silverman: wouldn’t a darting with a hefty dose of tranquilizers be quicker, more effective than having a couple of old men potentially breaking their hips trying to take down a deranged sack of shit?
NotMax
It’s not like one simply pops it open and pushes a big red button. There’s a booklet of codes inside, different ones for different scenarios, and a verification code that has to be entered. So ample time to avoid a mad rush and instead sprint.
For all we know, the real football might already have been swapped for a dummy one (suitable for a dummy president).
prostratedragon
@p.a.: T– as Milton from Office Space? As one of those poor chickens in the old psychology experiment who got a red mitten for a mother? (That one almost makes me cry.)
sm*t cl*de
@opiejeanne:
Or a waterbear that has been mutated by deep-space radiation and can absorb the DNA of other species.
sm*t cl*de
@Cheryl Rofer:
As above, so below.
J R in WV
This was where I came because I was having trouble going to sleep, 4.5 hours ago.
The discussion is pretty directly related to the reasons I was having trouble going to sleep.
I have an 8 inch reinforced concrete walled storage room buried under a couple of feet of gravel and dirt on top of the 8 inch concrete ceiling. It does not have a filtered air supply, water storage, nor rations. It does not have a staggered entrance hall. But it already exists and can be equipped with a ventilator pump, water, food, furnished to maintain at least 6 or 8 people.
Building the necessary entrance tunnel would be the biggest job, block walls with earth between them. That would make access into the cellar more difficult to install water tankage and other supplies. Thinking about how to accomplish this work as quickly, privately and inexpensively keeps me awake. I now think I should work on this in the daylight with others in my immediate community, instead of lying awake at 2, 3, 4 am.
I intend to discuss this small building project with the people I would offer the protection to. Of course no one would want to be alive after total nuclear war with thousands of special munitions in use. But if it were a “contained” exchange, with only dozens of devices used, avoiding the effects of fallout from such a war might be wise, if only to live long enough to help eliminate the monsters who started and facilitated such an exchange.
Oh no, what to do next? Order light weight block and mortar would be a good start, along with provisions and devices to measure current radiation levels.
Anonymous patient
This was where I came because I was having trouble going to sleep, 4.5 hours ago.
The discussion is pretty directly related to the reasons I was having trouble going to sleep.
I have an 8 inch reinforced concrete walled storage room, a celler, buried under a couple of feet of gravel and dirt on top of the 8 inch concrete ceiling. It does not have a filtered air supply, water storage, nor rations. It does not have a staggered entrance hall. But it already exists and can be equipped with a ventilator pump, water, food, furnished to maintain at least 6 or 8 people.
Building the necessary entrance tunnel would be the biggest job, block walls with earth between them. That would make access into the cellar more difficult to install water tankage and other supplies. Thinking about how to accomplish this work as quickly, privately and inexpensively keeps me awake. I now think I should work on this in the daylight with others in my immediate community, instead of lying awake at 2, 3, 4 am.
I intend to discuss this small building project with the people I would offer the protection to. Of course no one would want to be alive after total nuclear war with thousands of special munitions in use. But if it were a “contained” exchange, with only dozens of devices used, avoiding the effects of fallout from such a war might be wise, if only to live long enough to help eliminate the monsters who started and facilitated such an exchange.
Okay now, what to do next? Order light weight block and mortar would be a good start, along with provisions and devices to measure current radiation levels…. I will need help, best to talk with those folks first of all.
“Nuclear War Survival Skills” by Cresson Kearny, an engineer who worked at Oak Ridge with Civil Defense, describes hand-built backyard fallout shelters. Kearny devised radiation detector technology buildable with common house hold items, air moving tools you can build at home of common materials, to ventilate a fallout shelter. His methods were tried by families recruited to test his plans, and worked well. You can find free downloads of the book from the link above, which is a little old-fashioned but clear and understandable. Or order a printed copy from the usual sources.
J R in WV
I tried to add this paragraph, but got tangled up in 5 am drowse, so here it is:
“Nuclear War Survival Skills” by Cresson Kearny, an engineer who worked at Oak Ridge with Civil Defense, describes hand-built backyard fallout shelters. Kearny devised radiation detector technology buildable with common house hold items, air moving tools you can build at home of common materials, to ventilate a fallout shelter. His methods were tried by families recruited to test his plans, and worked well. You can find free downloads of the book from the link above, which is a little old-fashioned but clear and understandable. Or order a printed copy from the usual sources.
Just one more canuck
@Adam L Silverman: truly a case of the turd not falling far from the asshole
Lurking Canadian
@Adam L Silverman: honest question. Is an order from the commander in chief to launch a nuclear first strike a lawful order through the chain of command? I think it probably is. Which means your position seems to be that Kelly will obey lawful orders except when he doesn’t
Mike in Pasadena
@Bill Arnold: “Thanks, Dad, I needed to hear that.”
opiejeanne
@sm*t cl*de: AAIIIEEEEEE!!!!!