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Tuesday Evening Open Thread: October No Surprise

by Anne Laurie|  October 24, 20176:32 pm| 62 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!

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New cover of @NewYorker: "October Surprise". pic.twitter.com/d1J18ooaVo

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 23, 2017

Overheard Secret Service on @realDonaldTrump at lunch. He ate rice and 2 pieces of cherry pie. Took a few sips of his drink. "He loves rice"

— Leigh Ann Caldwell (@LACaldwellDC) October 24, 2017


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He’s an inspiration to three-year-olds everywhere.

What’s on the agenda, apart from planning for Halloween?

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    October 24, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    Two of Juicers’ favorite things combined. Nice.

  2. 2.

    Thru the Looking Glass...

    October 24, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    Took a few sips of his drink.

    Did he use a straw?

    Perhaps a sippy cup?

  3. 3.

    Mart

    October 24, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    What is that cartoon depicting? I see an evil clown that likes to lure children into the woods, and then eats them (if they are well seasoned, and brown).

  4. 4.

    Brachiator

    October 24, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    I threw this in the last thread, but would like to repeat it here.

    A little something from the other side of the world.

    Deals with the Tasmanian Devil

    The New Zealand Labour Party beat out other parties in the last election, but could only form a government with the support of the anti-immigrant NZ First Party. Agreeing to form a coalition government, new prime minister Jacinda Arden made NZ First leader Winston Peters Deputy PM and accepted some of that party’s anti-immigrant agenda. This would be like Hillary Clinton winning the election, but having to make Trump her vice president.

    But other parts of her agenda look very interesting. This is not necessarily a lesson for American Democrats, but is interesting and hopeful given a lot of the dismal political prospects in various countries. From the New Zealand papers:

    Today’s agreements build a clear agenda, prioritising regional economic development and job creation, Ardern said.

    “There has been a period of neglect over the last nine years for our regions.”

    The minimum wage will go up to $20 by 2021. Ardern says $16.50 starting in April 2018, will rise in steps since then.

    “We are a low wage economy… New Zealanders deserve a wage they can live on… it is no longer acceptable to try and expect families to survive on the minimum wage as it currently is.”

    There will be real progress on the environment and increases to the minimum wage, she says.

    NZF coalition agreement with Labour, at a glance:

    • Regional development: A $1 billion per year Regional Development (Provincial Growth) Fund

    • Rail: Significant investment in regional rail.

    • Forestry: Re-establish the New Zealand Forestry Service, and planting 100 million trees per year in a Billion Trees Planting Programme.

    • Auckland Port: Commissioning a feasibility study on moving the Ports of Auckland to Northport

    • Biosecurity: A funding increase to Biosecurity NZ and a select committee Inquiry into biosecurity

    • Irrigation: Honour existing Crown Irrigation investment commitments

    • Monetary policy: Review and reform the Reserve Bank Act

    • Minimum wage: Increase to $20 an hour by 2020, with the final increase to take effect in April 2021

    • Tax: Increase penalties for corporate fraud and tax evasion, and introduce a tax on exports of bottled water

    • KiwiBank: Investigate KiwiBank’s capabilities to become the Government’s banker when that contract is next renewed.

    • Foreign ownership: Strengthen the Overseas Investment Act and create a comprehensive register of foreign-owned land and housing

    • Research and development: Increase R&D spending to 2 per cent of GDP over 10 years

    • Health: Re-establish the Mental Health Commission, annual free health checks for seniors with the SuperGold card, free doctors’ visits for all under 14s, increasing the age for free breast screening to 74

    • Education: Restore funding for gifted students and Computers in Homes, pilot counsellors in primary schools, free driver training for all secondary school students, restart Te Kotahitanga teacher professional development

    • Defence: Re-examine the Defence procurement programme

    • Housing: Establish a Housing Commission

    • Law and Order: Work towards 1800 new police officers over three years, investigate a volunteer rural constabulary programme, increase funding for Community Law Centres, establish a Criminal Cases Review Commission

    • Social Development: More funding for family violence networks, including Women’s Refuge and Shakti, pilot a Youth Education, Training and Employment programme and provide 800 extra places for the LSV scheme, introduce Ready for Work programmes

    • Superannuation: Keep age of eligibility at 65

    • Environment: Move to an emissions-free government-vehicle fleet by 2025/26, introduce a Zero Carbon Act and independent Climate Commission, which will consider including agriculture into the ETS, establish a tyre stewardship fund, piloting alternatives to 1080, work towards a Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary

    • Conservation: More funding for the Department of Conservation

    • Democracy: No new parliamentary building this term, an independent review of electoral processes and enrolments, and a review of the parliamentary processes, and pass a ‘Waka Jumping’ bill

    • Immigration: Ensure work visas reflect skills shortages and cut down on low quality international education courses, and take action on migrant exploitation, particularly international students

    • Pike River: Commit to re-entry to Pike River

    • Other: Build a Maori Battalion museum at Waitangi, review retail-power pricing, allow a conscience vote on a NZ First euthanasia referendum bill, a Public Inquiry “a decade after Shand” to investigate the drivers of local government costs, support NZ First’s racing policy, work towards a Free Trade Agreement with the Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan Customs Union, record a Cabinet minute regarding the lack of process followed prior to the National-led government sponsorship of UNSC2334, concerning the Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories occupied since 1967

    The Green Party will get some ministerial positions and will be in charge of climate change issues. It will be interesting to watch this new government try to change things.

    Apart from this, I’ve got co-workers going to tonight’s World Series game. Go Dodgers!!

  5. 5.

    jl

    October 24, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    Two pieces of cherry pie? If any other obese 70 year old in horrible shape and allergy to exercise, with signs of mental decline, made a habit of that, I would try to give a word of advice. But Trump is infallible, he says so himself. So, have at it, Trumpy.

    I like rice and I like cherry pie. Trump will not intimidate my personal food space.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    October 24, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    @Mart: I assumed Trump qua clown.

  7. 7.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 24, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    @Mart: He’ll eat White children if they’re poor enough. It’s not as if the nonsense he’s doing with public schools and healthcare will hit White middle class and poor children pretty hard.

  8. 8.

    eemom

    October 24, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    That drawing is WAY too cute for him.

  9. 9.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 24, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    Overheard Secret Service on realDonaldTrump at lunch. He ate rice and 2 pieces of cherry pie. Took a few sips of his drink. “He loves rice”

    an obese seventy year old who hates exercise and loves sweets and refined carbs… Please proceed, trumpinator

  10. 10.

    dmsilev

    October 24, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @Mart: I assume he’ll only eat children if they’re overcooked and served with ketchup.

  11. 11.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    Me update!

    As some of you have probably heard, I’ve been working on some web-based tools to help me organize my fiction writing. And then I finished working on it, and now it’s ready, and please sign up if you’d like! Basically, you can write and organize stories, characters, settings, and notes, and cross-reference them with each other. It was a set of functions I wanted in a website, so I made it, and now I’m sharing it :) Totally free and such of course, with better password security than most major corporations probably use.

    If you like it, tell your writing buddies! If you don’t, there’s a contact form, and I’m all about feedback.
    Thanks!

  12. 12.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 24, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    @jl: I like rice; cherry pie, not so much.

  13. 13.

    Baud

    October 24, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Cool on you.

  14. 14.

    debbie

    October 24, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    I know Trump’s been the cover boy for New Yorker multiple times since the election, but Google has failed to tell me just how many. Do any subscribers here have the answer?

  15. 15.

    debbie

    October 24, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Pity the child who shows up trick or treating as a huuuge piece of beautiful chocolate cake.

  16. 16.

    MomSense

    October 24, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Not a fan of cherry pie, either.

  17. 17.

    Steeplejack

    October 24, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Surely you mean it’s not as if Trump’s policies “won’t hit White middle class and poor children pretty hard.”

  18. 18.

    Baud

    October 24, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    @debbie: I’m thinking of getting some rocks to give to any trick or treaters who dress up like Trump. Gotta learn them about what’s right.

  19. 19.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    @Baud: yep, I’m now back to having nothing to do at work all day ?

  20. 20.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 24, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    @debbie: Or as Ivanka.

  21. 21.

    zhena gogolia

    October 24, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    @eemom:

    I’m actually tired of every New Yorker cover incorporating Trump. I’m seriously thinking of cancelling my subscription, because I don’t want his mug lying around the house everywhere.

  22. 22.

    zhena gogolia

    October 24, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    @debbie:

    Countless.

  23. 23.

    Gravenstone

    October 24, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @jl: Apparently there was no ice cream, so he settled for two helpings of pie. Shovel some more down his ravening gob. Maybe we can force him into a diabetic coma.

  24. 24.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 24, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @Thru the Looking Glass…: I’ve never been at a US government lunch with senior leaders or VIPs where the beverages aren’t ice water and unsweetened ice tea (with sugar, sweet and low, etc available on the side), followed by coffee and tea service with dessert – if there is dessert. My guess is he only sipped at his drink because they did not set it up so he could have diet coke, which is his reported beverage of choice. Same with only eating rice – they didn’t have anything he’d eat (well done burger, well done steak, fried chicken, meatloaf) prepared just for him. If this was the case it shows the utter contempt and disrespect, as well as the passive aggressive approach to showing it, of the Senate GOP leadership.

  25. 25.

    JustRuss

    October 24, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    Much as I hate to defend Trump, pie is a meal unto itself. Cherry would not be my first choice, but it’s reasonably cromulent.

  26. 26.

    hueyplong

    October 24, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I hope every word of your speculation about the meal is borne out. If ever anyone were deserving of a healthy dose of chickenshit (as defined by the late Paul Fussell), it’s Trump.

  27. 27.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    So I don’t actually care much for Halloween. The family business growing up was a company that made Halloween projects so I’ve had enough Halloween for one lifetime. It used to be a job for me. I haven’t carved a pumpkin in like ten years. I used to get an appalling amount of money to do so, so I did it a lot, so it isn’t fun any more. Boo Halloween.

    I think the other part of it is that there’s a lot of social pressure on me to have a costume that’s sexy and clever on account of teh gay, and I’m already so unmotivated that it just feels like, again, work.

    So my Halloween plan is probably staying in and playing video games while my friends like go to Halloween raves. Which are a thing.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 24, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @hueyplong: Who knows if it’ll leak. Given the Secret Service is talking in my inside voice near reporters, that shows you just how much he irks everyone around him.

  29. 29.

    jl

    October 24, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @Gravenstone: Trump requires two of any dessert? I did not know that.

    Edit: It’s Bobby Two Sticks against Donny Two Scoops.

  30. 30.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    @jl: Three sticks, innit?

  31. 31.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 24, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    @jl: That’s III sticks.

  32. 32.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 24, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    Only, and only because it’s an Open Thread: have been doing a bit of two-glasses-of-wine wordplay:

    That game where you add, change, or delete a letter:

    LIKE WAITER FOR CHOCOLATE: Garçon, bring me the mousse, s’il vous plaît!

    BEAUTY AND THE BOAST: The Melania and Donald Story

    LOWER DRUM SONG: Appealing to the bass

    Go!

  33. 33.

    TheronWare

    October 24, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    Deferment Donnie the demented clown!

  34. 34.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: My favorite entry from the “ruin a book in one letter” twitter hashtag was Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Lay

  35. 35.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 24, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    You just made me choke on my quesadilla.

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Tip your waiter!

  37. 37.

    jl

    October 24, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    ” That’s III sticks. ”

    Dammit!

    Someone tell Trump, maybe he’ll start demanding three of any dessert.

  38. 38.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 24, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Too late, I already tipped the veal!

  39. 39.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You monster!

  40. 40.

    Mnemosyne

    October 24, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Who invites a VIP to a luncheon and doesn’t make sure there’s something s/he can eat? That’s beyond passive-aggressive and bordering on violating the sacred laws of hospitality.

    We have one person who comes to a regular function at our office who has Trump-like eating habits (but is otherwise a nice guy). I always make sure there’s something he can eat. I have had many a conversation with caterers assuring them that, yes, I did mean to order one sandwich made with only bread and meat, nothing else on it. ?

  41. 41.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    October 24, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    Robert Guillaume is dead at 89. I haven’t watched a lot of his stuff, but growing up I loved him as the narrator for Happily Ever After: Fairy Tales for Every Child.

  42. 42.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Admit it, if Donald Trump came to visit, you would go out of your way to un-order anything he might want to eat.

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 24, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    @Mnemosyne: People that want everyone else to know they don’t give a shit about the VIP, but no the VIP is so oblivious he’ll never figure it out himself.

  44. 44.

    Greenergood

    October 24, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    When I worked at a 2-4 yr old day care center many years ago, the dreaded lunch was anything with rice – as most of the rice ended up under the tables. How’s that adult day care going Mr. ‘pres’ Trump – you got rice under the Oval Office desk yet? Don’t let it get into the nuclear football case you keep under the table.

  45. 45.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    @Greenergood: I would rather the rice does get inside the football and makes it harder to use?

  46. 46.

    Mnemosyne

    October 24, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Vegan food, absolutely. Probably even falafel. ?

  47. 47.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 24, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    @Mnemosyne: now I want falafel.

  48. 48.

    Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    October 24, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    @jl: What’s particularly weird about his diet is that he can afford to hire dieticians and cooks who’d prepare tasty, healthy food and instead he eats rice and pie.

  49. 49.

    jl

    October 24, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): To be fair, didn’t say what kind of rice it was. Could have been brown rice mixed with chopped kale and delicious herbs. Ha ha ha. I make a joke. Or it could have been white rice swimming in butter or bacon fat, covered with grated full fat cheese.

  50. 50.

    romeo24

    October 24, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    @Brachiator: Can I just add for clarity that the new government’s policies are less “anti-immigrant” and more “anti-immigration”? Or more precisely, “stricter immigration”. Donald Trump and his base hate the immigrants that are already in America (except for those from white countries, of course). The NZ govt wants to stem the tide of rich Chinese buying up land and houses and causing a housing bubble that’s locking less well off Kiwis out of the housing market. A few generalizations there, but that’s the gist. Lumping Jacinda Ardern (new NZ PM) in with DT is plain wrong. Even Winston Peters (new Deputy PM) doesn’t deserve the comparison: he did after all elect to form a government with the center-left party.

  51. 51.

    satby

    October 24, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    Since this is an open thread, just going to note here that Indivisible in South Bend looks like they’re supporting this candidate in the primary to unseat the vile Republican Jackie Walorski. Looks like a great choice to me.

  52. 52.

    The Lodger

    October 24, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: My buddies and I grew up near a cow pasture. Tipping veal sounds pretty amusing if you’re not big enough to tip full-size beef.

  53. 53.

    Shana

    October 24, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Hmmm, stir fried tofu with broccoli (I know, it was Bush Sr.’s thing but I suspect Trump doesn’t like it either), brown rice, fresh fruit for dessert, and if I was feeling particularly nasty, only alcohol to drink.

  54. 54.

    O. Felix Culpa

    October 24, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    @satby: She sounds solid, with substantial local roots. Keep us posted on her progress!

  55. 55.

    Brachiator

    October 24, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    @romeo24: I did not intend to lump in the new prime minister with Trump. My analogy compared her to Hillary. Good to know that the new deputy pm is not as extreme as Trump. The list of priorities should make clear that New Zealand Labour is definitely liberal. Thanks for the clarification.

  56. 56.

    GeoWHayduke

    October 24, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I’ll eat the cherry pie. You can keep yer nasty Rices

  57. 57.

    romeo24

    October 24, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    @Brachiator: I knew you knew! There was an article in USA Today calling Ardern a “Trump-like leader”. Which of course she is except she’s young, female, left wing, not a compusive liar, not a narcissist, can speak in full sentences and use words properly (“psychotically” for example), and is generally everything that Trump isn’t and vice versa. We NZ lefties are quite happy!

  58. 58.

    Victor Matheson

    October 24, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    And no one thought to include a link to one of the finest pieces of high culture created in the 1980s:
    The music video to Warrant’s Cherry Pie?

  59. 59.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 24, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @Victor Matheson: Most of us had the decency not to do it.

  60. 60.

    Brachiator

    October 24, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    @romeo24:

    There was an article in USA Today calling Ardern a “Trump-like leader”. Which of course she is except she’s young, female, left wing, not a compusive liar, not a narcissist, can speak in full sentences and use words properly…

    I just looked at the USA Today story and it is stupefyingly wrong and superficial. Obviously wrong about the New Zealand leader, and wrong to call the other leaders cited as “political offspring of Trump” when a number of them were running for office long before Trump even thought about becoming a candidate.

  61. 61.

    romeo24

    October 24, 2017 at 11:47 pm

    @Brachiator: Yes, it was a truly awful article. Lazy journalism all round. I think it’s fair for governments to adjust their immigration policies according to the needs of the country, as long as the process is transparent and fair (so that people like Peter Thiel can’t just buy citizenship, for example). But I’m preaching to the converted…

  62. 62.

    NobodySpecial

    October 25, 2017 at 4:38 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Video games are an excellent way to avoid social pressure. Plus, you know, I haven’t picked up all my Overwatch swag for the seasonal event.

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