We have a dim beginning of Republican Senators who are willing to say words that seem to call out the President. But, as we saw last night, they continue to be willing to vote against the good of the people. We have to keep the heat on them: Nice words are a start toward making up for the mess you’ve created, but what are you going to DO about it?
Greg Sargent has some more specific questions for them. That, too, is a dim beginning of the media beginning to hold these politicians responsible for their words AND actions. Here are the five questions:
Does the GOP’s continuing plutocratic tilt bear some blame for Trumpism? Just after you heroically denounced Trumpism, virtually every Senate Republican — including you both [Flake and Corker] — voted to kill a rule that allowed consumers to bring class-action suits against financial services companies, a massive giveaway to Wall Street.
Shouldn’t the GOP condemn Trump’s dismissal of the Russia probes and nonstop lies about our democracy? It’s good that you both cast Trump as a threat to our civic institutions and to liberal democracy itself. But shouldn’t the party be taking the Russia probes more seriously and prodding Trump to stop dismissing them as a hoax?
Shouldn’t Republicans do more to prod Trump to release his tax returns? Both of you rightly blasted Trump for degrading our democratic norms. But even if you want tax cuts (that will overwhelmingly benefit the rich, including Trump himself in a big way), what is the justification for the GOP failure to even try to shed light for the public on how it will impact Trump’s bottom line?
Should the GOP really make a home for lawless bigot Roy Moore? You both repeatedly condemned Trump’s bigotry and racism. Moore, who will likely be the next GOP senator from Alabama, has been removed from the judicial bench for putting God’s law above U.S. law, is a raging anti-Muslim bigot and birther (just like Trump), and has said homosexuality should be illegal. Shouldn’t more Republicans declare him unfit to serve?
Shouldn’t you say whether you think Trump should be removed? If you believe Trump is profoundly unfit for his office, and poses such immense dangers to the country and the world, doesn’t that mean it’s time to start talking about impeachment or the 25th Amendment?
I’ve truncated the questions from the link. And Open Thread.
dedc79
I think Flake has now answered the last question in the negative.
ruemara
@dedc79: Exactly. These hoes ain’t loyal.
Mike J
Trump Asked About Forgetting Name of Fallen Soldier: I Have ‘One of the Great Memories of All Time’
Trump can’t recall saying he has one of the world’s best memories
MomSense
And the gift to Wall Street is following their vote on a horrendous budget that cuts 1.5 trillion from Medicare and Medicaid and their failure to reauthorize the Children’s Health Insurance Program.
oatler.
All will offer their bellies and throats to the slouching Beast..
Kay
This is a good piece:
Butch
Everything I try to read at the Post is now behind a paywall. I don’t care enough about what’s in the Post to pay. Is that typical now? (I mean the paywall, not my attitude about paying.) Sorry my comment is off topic slightly.
cmorenc
The underlying problems with holding federal GOP legislators’ feet to the fire is this:
1) a majority of the GOP base (esp those who vote in primaries) still supports Trump, and will turn against GOP legislators who speak out against Trump. So Trump can (and is) setting backfires to burn the fuel out from under the re-electability of most GOP legislators that feels (for the moment, anyway) much hotter than the heat to do the right thing, unless the GOP legislator is willing to run the gauntlet of a hostile primary challenge from a Trump loyalist opponent (which the GOP primary-voting base is inclined to favor, since they tend to have a craving for the craziest SOB in the field);
2) a majority of GOP legislators have bought into making a bargain with the devil (Trump) in exchange for the power to imprint their RW ideology on the federal government. So long as Trump seemingly provides a critical piece of having enough power to accomplish this, they won’t publicly cross him until their own electability is more threatened by their silence (and tacit support of Trump) than by publicly repudiating him. Also, see point #1 above.
3) Unfortunately, we’re expecting the general public revulsion against Trump to make GOP legislators willing to risk martyrdom on principle. What Groucho Marx said about his principles applies to GOP legislators: “I have principles! and if you don’t like them – well, I have others.” That is, the ones who at least pretend to have principles.
Suzanne
@dedc79: I hope everyone who is currently holding a positive view of Flake remembers this. The dude is a spineless POS.
All of the GOP are spineless tools. None of them are doing anything that matters.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
You know that story of the influx of Russian steel make so much horrible sense; Russia’s economy is stuck in the past, a lot of demand for steel in the US because of construction and Russia was shut out by the Ukrain Sanctions. Then enters Trump the twat who understands nothing and is already on the Russian dime, so Putin gets his chance to get in and the rest we’ve seen. No wonder Trump was babbling on about the need to get all these old economy industries going, that’s what the Russians were telling him.
Judge Crater
Heh, George Carlin spelled it out years ago. Corporations and the wealthy are a big club, and we aren’t in it. They’re coming for Social Security and Medicare next, and the idiot Trump will sign whatever massive dump that Ryan and McConnell put on his desk. And then he’ll lie about it. And the same dirt poor counties in Kentucky and Ohio and Michigan will vote for the Red, White and Blue GOP fist that’s being shoved up their ass all over again cause they don’t like black people kneeling at football games.
Booger
@Butch: Chrome Incognito mode is your friend. Easy-peasy.
The Moar You Know
Why would they do anything? If I were a Republican this administration would be like Christmas every day. I cannot see a single downside for them with the way thing are, and the direction they’re going in.
For America, sure, but their votes tell the story – they don’t give a shit about America, not a one of them.
Butch
@Booger: I didn’t think of that. Thanks!
Mike J
@Butch: I’ve never seen a paywall at WAPo[1], but I know some people have suggested incognito or private browsing tabs. Ctl+shift+p on firtefox or ctl+shift+n on chrome.
[1] My standard browsing regime is much more strict than most people will tolerate. Ad blocker (ublock origin), no javascript (noscript), no cookies (cookie monster). I turn some or all of those things on for places I trust, leave them off in general, and never hit a paywall at wapo or nyt. The only problem is my eyes burn when forced to use somebody else’s computer. I don’t know how people tolerate the web as publishers like it.
jl
I don’t think those three Senators would have spoken up, with apparently coordinated timing, unless there were some others who support them, but unwilling to go public at this time (edit: their brave fingers are feeling for some kind of wind that does not arise from their own hindquarters). Does anyone know of a short list of who those Senators might be? If someone has a good idea, then should contact them too.
if they don’t support removal of Trump through impeachment or 25th, then what legislation to they support to reign in the dangerous and incompetent executive?
Where are Collins, McCain and Murkowski on the tax plan? For Collins and Murkowski, the tax plan involves huge Medicaid and Medicare cuts that they objected to during the GOP health care sabotage. But they are OK with them if they go with a ginormous tax cut scam for the super rich? They voted for the budget resolution, with big M&M cuts. And for McCain, news I heard last night said that Ryan and McConnell are planning another ‘no regular order’ BS-fest non-process to ram it through. People should ask McCain if he is OK with that, and if so, why?
Edit: and everyone should contact Heller to remind him that he is a jackass who is going to lose.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Uh huh
Uh huh
ruemara
@Judge Crater: Carlin is part of the problem. Too many on the left take the anger of his jokes as a politically savvy philosophy of both sides are evil and opting out of participation is a method.
rikyrah
Republicans look past Trump scandals, zero in on Hillary Clinton
10/25/17 08:55 AM
By Steve Benen
Throughout much of 2016, when it was widely assumed Donald Trump couldn’t win the presidency, congressional Republicans made no effort to conceal their post-election plans: they would go after Hillary Clinton with vigor and glee.
We now know, of course, how that election turned out, but the extraordinary thing is that those same Republicans have decided to stick to their plan anyway.
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Donald Trump is facing a veritable avalanche of scandals, some of which imperil his presidency, and it’s against this backdrop that congressional Republicans are directing their attention, not toward the president’s alleged misdeeds, but toward the president’s former opponent – a private citizen for the last five years who’ll never seek public office again.
It’s as if the Congress’ GOP majority is exercising its oversight responsibilities in a parallel universe in which Trump lost the election.
Stepping back, what’s equally striking is the degree to which this fits into a broader dynamic: the political world seems most comfortable when it’s complaining about Hillary Clinton. Trump often seems obsessed with his former rival; conservative media has focused nearly all of its attention on Clinton; mainstream journalists are nearly as critical; and Congress is launching multiple lines of investigation.
gene108
@Suzanne:
They do a lot that matters and not in a good way.
It seems we need to mount saving-Obamacare level opposition to damn near everything that’s being done in Congress on a daily basis.
No Drought No More
“Nice words are a start toward making up for the mess you’ve created, but what are you going to DO about it”?
Almost, but not quite.
They’re not going to do a damn thing about it. They’re not interested, and they never will be. It is, in fact, a recruitment requirement of literally every republican party candidate for office that they do everything to impede those Americans that are interested in resisting their takeover. They’re all mouth, and patriots can confidently anticipate their every utterance with “anticipatory contempt”. They’re the mortal enemies of American democracy, and at the moment they wield the whip hand. Those people will always be with us, it appears. I want them scattered to the four electoral winds myself, and the best way to get that ball rolling is to stop pretending that the republican party is something other than it is..
OK?
rikyrah
@Mike J:
thanks for this tip. didn’t know about it. won’t work for the work computer, but, I think the one at home should be fine, and my tablet.
rikyrah
Donald Trump wants you to know he’s ‘a very intelligent person’
10/25/17 03:06 PM
By Steve Benen
During last year’s campaign, Donald Trump probably became aware of the fact that critics questioned his limited intellect. He didn’t handle it especially well, though.
During an MSNBC appearance, Trump was asked about his foreign policy advisers. “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain,” the Republican said. “And I’ve said a lot of things.”
The president said more things this morning on the South Lawn of the White House.
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I’ve known some brilliant people, and I’ve known some Ivy League grads, but I’ve never even heard of someone who feels the need to speak like this, frequently and with great enthusiasm. It’s almost as if Trump is trying to persuade himself, not the public, that he has “a very good brain.”
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@rikyrah: That is pretty close to the stupidest and most useless thing I can think of for congress to spend it spend its limited time on
trollhattan
@Kay:
Alabama has coal? Who knew? As to Sessions…bidnez as usual one supposes.
rikyrah
Trump’s silence on the U.S. deaths in Niger is untenable
10/25/17 11:21 AM—UPDATED 10/25/17 02:17 PM
By Steve Benen
It’s been three weeks. On Oct. 4, four U.S. Army Special Operations soldiers were killed in an ambush in Niger, in the deadliest combat incident since Donald Trump took office, and yet, the president hasn’t even acknowledged what happened.
Politico reported several days ago that the National Security Council drafted a statement on Oct. 5, expressing the president’s condolences, but the statement was never issued, and no one from Trump World has explained why.
The president has been asked repeatedly to comment on the deadly attack, but he’s brushed off every inquiry. Last week, given a chance to acknowledge the soldiers’ deaths, Trump responded by bragging about how great he was at contacting fallen Americans’ families – which touched off a parallel controversy, but sidestepped the underlying question.
On Monday’s show, Rachel described this dynamic as “strange to the point of perplexing,” which is clearly correct. There are all kinds of questions about what exactly transpired on the ground in Niger, and why American troops are there in the first place, but we’re still stuck on a basic question that shouldn’t be shrouded in mystery: why does the president refuse to acknowledge the attack that left four Americans dead?
debit
@Butch: I subscribe through my Amazon Prime membership. Its worth it to me to pay for good journalism.
jl
@trollhattan: Hah! And iron and steel as well. U.S. Grant and Tecumseh Sherman knew, That is why operations in Alabama, starting in Mobile, were in their plans after they captured Vicksburg. That operation got sidetracked, though.
James E. Powell
@rikyrah:
And the NYT, the WaPo, the Sunday shows, and the whole world of cable TV are going to follow the Republicans on these stories. They already gave up on most Trump scandals before the election.
d58826
@Mike J: He just can’t let it go. All he has to say is ‘I’m sorry that my words added to your grief. ‘
In the same gaggle he blamed the Niger raid on the generals. Now at this point most of they reporting s that the the mission was no different than many others that have happen in the region. I did see one report (ABC I think) that said the mission was changed to a hunt/kill mission for a high value terrorist. So at this point it is hard to say how far up the chain of command the approval process went. But Der Fuhrer is getting it the record early that the buck never stops at the WH.
Amir Khalid
@rikyrah:
If he really had a brain that was any good, Trump would know better than to talk like that. He sounds like he’s kidding himself that he’s smart.
jl
@James E. Powell: The stories have been horrible. CBS news is the only one that even referred to the fact that it started as GOP oppo research during the primary, and I think inadequately.
NYT was especially bad. People with subscriptions should complain and explain that kind of poor and biased reporting leads to cancellations. Why pay for crap reporting when you can get better for free from other organizations? Seems like a good question to me.
Immanentize
@rikyrah: Oh, I know plenty of Harvard grads who talk exactly like that. they are idiots too. Whiney, self-righteous pricks.
d58826
@Suzanne:
As I saidf in an earlier thread, you would be hard pressed to find enough bone to construct a single vertebra in the GOP m,embers of Congress let alone an entire spine
The Moar You Know
@trollhattan: Alabama has pretty much every natural resource you could ask for save for a few things:
unpolluted groundwater (PCBs through much of the state, it’s a real problem)
habitable climate
jl
@rikyrah: Obviously this news raises that question of why Trump decided to answer a press question about why no public statement on the casualties by launching into moronic lies and slanders about whether he had contacted the families personally. A really brilliant and world historical genius like Trump would know the difference between the two issues, right?
So, does Trump have a reason for avoiding public comment on the operations. If the mission was changed to a hung/kill operation, that is very inconsistent with public comments from the DOD and news stories on it so far.
les
Problem is, their feet are already to the only fire they care about–the crazed, racist, ignorant, vengeful repub base.
Major Major Major Major
Open thread?
I’ve been feeling super demotivated from work and as a result just had a horrible time sleeping last night (why am I going to sleep so early? Why bother waking up early to take the train down there if they don’t have work to do? Why won’t management listen to us about working from home? Etc.). So I’m out sick on account of terrible knee pain keeping me up (which also isn’t a lie but wouldn’t exactly keep me off the train). I never use my sick days anyway, and insomnia counts.
Also my knee really hurts at random when I’m not doing anything.
lgerard
@trollhattan:
That is why there were iron works in Birmingham. The iron and coal industries were driven in the post Civil War period by the convict contract labor system, an institution that was worse then slavery.
Immanentize
@Major Major Major Major: I had a Professor in college (Ken Jacobs) who knew the rather infamous avant garde performance artist Stan Smith — Ken reported that Stan used to say, “Why should I shave in the morning when I can’t think of a good reason for living?”
See, things could be worse….
ETA Sorry about the knee and the work ituation.
Major Major Major Major
@Immanentize: I have also at various points suffered from major depressive episodes, so I know that feeling too. This one is a more normal case of the meh’s.
ETA and thanks.
trollhattan
@jl:
Well don’t that just butter my biscuits! How did the white folks react after the war when they found out they’d have to go into the mines themselves? “I got to go down where?!?”
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Major Major Major Major: You needed the day. And you earned it.
trollhattan
@Amir Khalid:
If he had a such a great memory he’d probably recall having another daughter whose name begins with “T.”
Leto
@Suzanne: So much this; they can talk all they want, but it’s meaningless. Until they do something, and they won’t, it’s all just meaningless noise.
jl
@d58826:
” But Der Fuhrer is getting it the record early that the buck never stops at the WH. ”
“The buck stops here”. Harry S. Truman
“whether he makes the decision or he lets them go by default”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaM-prl6IYQ
Major Major Major Major
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Thanks.
Say, if you have any feedback on my site, feel free to send it along :)
Mai.naem.mobile
I dont think Flake is spineless. I think he’s a true believer free market with no rules socially conservative asshole. Also too, a Kochsucker.
MomSense
@Major Major Major Major:
I think we are going through something similar. I was in bed sooo early last night. It’s like I’m on a toddler’s sleep schedule. And still this morning I felt exhausted and achy. The last thing I wanted to do was go to work. Demotivated AF.
The Moar You Know
@trollhattan: They didn’t. They just threw all the blacks in jail, then put em in chain gangs, and made them do it. Same for levee work, road work and every shitty job out there.
That crap was a way of life until the fifties, and it still goes on today, albeit in a far more limited fashion than it had been.
debit
@trollhattan: You mean the one who he hoped, when she was an infant, would someday have the same size tits as her mom?
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Major Major Major Major: I signed up for it and linked to in on my FB page, but I haven’t used it yet, just browsed.
ETA: I thought it looked like a good place to do some real thinking and planning about a story.
Mai.naem.mobile
If McCain doesn’t make it through to next year Arizona would have two open Senate seats. Gov.Douchey will appoint a super conservative whackjob but if there are two open seats I think there is a decent chance a Dem picks up one seat.
Major Major Major Major
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): Cool, thanks, if you do use it, feedback is always appreciated :)
@MomSense: Mine is compounded by the fact that there’s been nothing to do at work for like a month, and I have a long commute, so being hauled down there to do nothing is just humiliating. I occupied myself building that writing site but I just launched that, which is its own kind of let-down too. I can only write about 500 good words a day as well, and reading the news is just depressing. Le poop.
jl
Some good news, for now:
GOP Commissioner: Trump Voter Fraud Panel On Hold As It Navigates Lawsuits
Tierney Sneed, TPM
‘ “It’s my understanding that there were just so many lawsuits against the commission, that right now there’s nothing going on,” Indiana Secretary of State Connie Lawson said….’
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/connie-lawson-voter-fraud-commission-on-pause
James E. Powell
@jl:
The NYT has been kissing Republican asses and soothing RWers’ feelings for decades. At the same time, any complaints from the Democratic side are dismissed with scorn.
I have the distinct impression that people who subscribe to the NYT will continue to do for reasons unrelated to its apparent disregard of the consequences of what it does and does not publish.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
I’m laying on the couch at work icing my knee on my lunch break. At least I’ve been doing a fun Keynote presentation.
Tenar Arha
@d58826:
At this point, even that wouldn’t be enough.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: I’m drawing my comic.
Leto
Some wise words from former BJ’er AngryBlackLady:
https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady/status/923234709856927744
Ruckus
@Mike J:
Not quite as intolerant as you, but close.
Went inconito on the phone and all those fucking tabuoa ads are gone gone gone!
Major Major Major Major
@Ruckus: I use AdGuard on my iPhone and get the benefit of no ads without the lack of troll filtration that comes with incognito mode!
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
You’re being more productive than I was over the weekend. I’m taking an online class about perfectionism and procrastination, but I’m procrastinating on the reading. ?
Mnemosyne
@Leto:
Adam has said here several times that it’s a zombie story that has been debunked over and over again, but keeps being shoved back out there by the right wing. It’s the new child molestation pizza parlor legend.
schrodingers_cat
@James E. Powell: Crosswords. That’s what keeps them going back that balances Maggie H and her cheerleading for T.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: Seems legit.
Elizabelle
@Mnemosyne: We should help the rightwingers.
Call it the pizzagate uranium story every time it comes up, and point out it’s been discredited over and over and over.
jl
@James E. Powell: Well, I wrote them a note a while back explaining why I would never subscribe to them, and what they needed to change if they ever wanted a penny from me. It was pretty insulting, so maybe it didn’t have best effect.
I thought up the line that they were like a very poor department at Harvard University for that little note, with some invective laden examples.
trollhattan
@debit:
It would be ironic justice if Tiffany became the only Trump spawn to live among us a normal person. Mom was smart enough to get her the hell away from dad and dad’s machine, as well as the siblings eager to toss her in front of the next Manhattan tour bus. .
schrodingers_cat
@Mnemosyne: We should watch Rang De Basanti. It is pretty topical, one of the main galvanizing incidents in the movie is the death of an air force pilot and the political coverup afterwards, which includes demonizing the dead airman.
Spanky
@Major Major Major Major: @Mnemosyne: I’m reading Balloon Juice. But over here on the Right Coast the work day is almost done.
trollhattan
@Mnemosyne:
The Republicans will continue plowing and fertilizing the Clinton fields so long as any new seeds they plant there will sprout, and it’s up to our media betters to stop taking the damn bait (mixed metaphor alert). I feel so sorry for Chelsea.
Ruckus
@rikyrah:
It’s misdirection, plain and simple.
Conservatives are not going to do anything that will show them to be the people you know them to be. The ones that aren’t as dumb as a stump know better, the ones as dumb as a stump, well are that dumb, and no one is going to tell them. The not so dumb ones know everything they act like they believe in, is crap, but it benefits them, so it ain’t gonna happen. The dumb ones just believe it all.
Major Major Major Major
@Spanky: Well it’s a good thing we’ve sent that two-man shop $300 million to help them get back online.
Corner Stone
@trollhattan: Too late. Tiff Tiff is cray cray.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@rikyrah:
I bet a dollar the GOP will run against Hillary Clinton in 2018 claiming she is president, not Donald Trump. Most of the GOP base will belive this since they’ve lost touch with reality a long time ago and there will be pundits who will say “I can see both sides of this issue”
Mnemosyne
@schrodingers_cat:
This weekend is out, unfortunately — I’m going to a writing conference. How does next weekend look for you?
MomSense
@Major Major Major Major:
I have plenty to do but it’s the same stuff every day.
I did finish a barn sweater / coat including all the seaming and I found an amazing leather closure so that’s positive. This weekend I’m going to try and photograph it semi decently. The vanity question is should I go to the trouble of covering all my grays before the photos?? I’m cool with gray but not sure it’s a good look if I actually try to sell this pattern.
schrodingers_cat
@Mnemosyne: It may work if we don’t have guests. I will know for sure soon.
Mnemosyne
I was looking something up for a Facebook argument and had forgotten that we’ve known since 2013 that Julian Assange is a Russian stooge, and yet when Wikileaks released the stolen DNC emails, people on the left stumbled over themselves to praise him for showing how dastardly those mean ol’ Democrats are. ?
Corner Stone
Dude from Breitbart just flat stated Obama ignored the Constitution and Chuckles Todd never said a word challenging that.
debit
@Corner Stone: Personally, I would have been shocked if he had. On the other hand, Chris Hayes has actually been challenging people on his show lately instead of his standard, “Right.”
Duane
Lines are being drawn. We shall see where people stand. This will become a defining moment for many.
Bill Arnold
@rikyrah:
He cannot sustain the mental pace, and damage is apparently being done (e.g. over the course of 2017 so far). His brain might recover a bit, if he resigned. (From observation, biased observer. It’s hard to get an opinion out of a mental health professional (i r not one) without inhibition suppressants.)
paradox
@Butch: Get google chrome and get around the paywall by using an incognito tab.
LanceThruster
Probe away, comrade.
MJS
I don’t get this idea that because Flake votes for Republican bills his words about Trump are meaningless. Trump didn’t write the bill – Wall Street or a Republican beholden to Wall Street did. Put another way, if it was just some garden variety Republican president instead of Trump, we would have expected Flake, as a Republican, to vote for the bill. Doing so while Trump is in office makes it no worse than it already is.
Bill Arnold
@trollhattan:
[attempts, not very well, to unmix the metaphor]
In a proper US, with working media, the media would eat the seeds (like crows) or eat the sprouts (like rabbits), digest them and poop out the residue, rather than lovingly watering and fertilizing them until they’re monstrous misinformation bushes.
Bill Arnold
Another Trump distraction event, IMO:
Trump teases release of JFK files: ‘So interesting!’
The pattern, an improbable spike in clickbaity/news-cycle-hogging non-trump stories seeded/launched by Trump and known intermediates, suggests that a very big bad-for-Trump story is about to launch. We shall see.
(As discussed in a previous thread.)
Corner Stone
@MJS:
They are just words unless he denies Trump a victory on any and every policy. It doesn’t matter who writes the bills. if it hurts regular Americans he has to vote against it, or his words mean nothing.
J R in WV
@rikyrah:
I imagine you can delete your cookies at work, and that will reset the number of articles you have read this month.
Leto
@Mnemosyne: Yeah; Caroline O. goes through a pretty thorough debunking of the same, but takes it futher and shows how most of the media is complicit (raise your hand if you’re surprised) but also how it’s being used in conjunction with the “HILLARYZ EMAILZ” to obfuscate more pressing issues.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
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David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
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