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Some of the games on tap for today:

Of most interest to me is Florida-Georgia, of course. Like I told Dawg fan Raven in the early morning thread, I’m surprised Florida is only a two-touchdown underdog. We suck this year.

The good news, from my perspective, is that the ‘Noles got walloped by Boston College last night, so the obnoxious FSU fans in my life won’t have standing to taunt me, even if Georgia blows Florida out.

Open thread!

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  2. 2.

    raven

    This is my 33d year in Athens and the WLCP has been mostly a disappointment. Of course the first game pits my awful Illini against a strong Bucky Badger outfit. Some of my best memories are of going up to Madison for the game but having an incredible time there for Halloween. Hope for the best and expect the worst!

  3. 3.

    raven

    Oh yea, there is a really bad rain front coming in which could. 1). Wreck my Dish feed for the game, 2.) wreck the huge Wild Rumpus Parade tonight after my bride spent hours making here flower costume.

  4. 4.

    clay

    I’m headed to the Ga-Fl game right this very minute. I learned long ago not to give too much smack talk before the game, so I’ll just say that I’m rooting for the Dawgs to win, and a safe game for all of the players.

  6. 6.

    ruemara

    Watching the spinning wheel at the Comic-Con website. Will not watch any football. But hopefully will clean up the apartment a bit.

  9. 9.

    Corner Stone

    @germy: I kind of think it has to be. He’s the hub to get at all the interlinking parts of this investigation.
    If they indict John S. Dingleberry III, I will start emigration process to move to Iceland.

  12. 12.

    Corner Stone

    I didn’t know New York was an open carry state but Stephanie Ruhle has brought the guns to work today.

  14. 14.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Corner Stone: like a Florida halfback or like a Georgia halfback? Big difference.

    Also, props on tying the thread theme into your personal health issue.

  17. 17.

    Corner Stone

    @Steve in the ATL: It’s more like an old school “three yards and a cloud of snot” type halfback. I have to keep stacking 8 in the kleenex box to try and stop it from breaking containment.

  19. 19.

    Jerry

    I’m really looking forward to the NC State/Notre Dame game. Go woofies!

    I’m heading over to Greensboro tomorrow morning to check out a 1978 Kawasaki KZ650. It’s not currently running, but hold mah beer, I think I can figure it out. Got a great price on it, though, so I can take my time and get the carbs cleaned out real good and look for anything else. Maybe new plugs then all new fluids and possibly a new battery, she should be road ready without too much effort.

  20. 20.

    Corner Stone

    @dr. bloor: I could be wrong, but IMO I think Flynn is a small piece and Mueller et al already know what Flynn knows. He may be the easiest to get at around the edges, however.

  21. 21.

    JPL

    I’m beginning to think that it’s a perjury charge against Flynn, although I’m hoping for money laundering against Trump’s lawyer.

  23. 23.

    Davebo

    @JPL: But wouldn’t a perjury charge against Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III be awesome!

    OK, that’s just crazy dreaming…

  24. 24.

    Corner Stone

    @Jerry:

    Maybe new plugs then all new fluids and possibly a new battery, she should be road ready without too much effort.

    NARRATOR VOICE SIX MONTHS LATER: It was a lot of effort.

  25. 25.

    debbie

    @Suzanne:

    I too hope for Kewpie Boy, but I’ll be happy no matter who it is because any of them will piss off all of Trump’s posse beyond belief. I look forward to much sputtering anger.

  28. 28.

    prufrock

    What about us unobnoxious FSU fans? ;-)

    Seriously, something is badly wrong with this year’s team, that goes beyond injuries and a neophyte QB.

  32. 32.

    Gin & Tonic

    @germy: I seem to recall rumors that Flynn wanted to cooperate but Bobby Three Sticks said “no thanks, we don’t need any.”

  33. 33.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    @debbie: They will demand Urban Meyer be canned? Though I am a Buckeye fan, I have been enjoying both Washington and Washington State this year, though it sucked they lost, this years Apple Cup will be epic if they run the table. On the College playoff front, I hate to see Clemson left out, unless they lose another game, and yes despite Mike Golic’s irritating Irish worship, Notre Dame should be in.(yes I know it is still early)

  34. 34.

    Duane

    I hope the Houston Texans walk out en masse during tomorrow’s game. Inmates in charge of the prison? Fuck you, Bob Mcnair.He’s a top canidate for ass of the year, amongst a crowded field of asses.

  35. 35.

    Amir Khalid

    After horrendous defeats to Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool have got their asses in gear and defeated Huddersfield, Whew.

    I see all the breathless speculation about just who is going to be arrested on Monday. I’m not about to join in, but I will state the obvious: that person’s name will be the public’s first real clue to what sort of case Bobby Three Sticks and his team are putting together. It will also be instructive to see the reactions in Trumpland — to watch someone give themselves away by showing that little bit too much fear.

  36. 36.

    Corner Stone

    I guess the question on the indictment is, do we think it’s about Russia, money laundering (separate from Russia collusion) or some resulting crime such as obstruction or perjury.
    IMO Manafort ticks off a lot of all those boxes. If it’s perjury then JarJar or Sessions would be glorious. Carter Page or Flynn seem like afterthoughts at this point.

  37. 37.

    Davebo

    Keep in mind the CNN report says a grand jury returned “charges”.

    Could be more than one on the hot seat.

  39. 39.

    Jerry

    @ThresherK:

    @Jerry: Is that a 4? Did Kawasaki make that in one of their 3s?

    Yes, it’s is a 4 cylinder. I think the 3 cylinder bikes that they made back then were the 2 stroke bikes.

  41. 41.

    Jerry

    @Corner Stone:

    Maybe new plugs then all new fluids and possibly a new battery, she should be road ready without too much effort.

    NARRATOR VOICE SIX MONTHS LATER: It was a lot of effort.

    Ha! Yeah, probably, but I really enjoy doing this even though I’m not an expert by any means. I’ve a bit of practice over the past 10 or so years doing the same thing on vintage BMWs. Although, those bikes were in much better shape than the one that I’m looking at tomorrow, but I still had to a bit of wrenching on them. It was fun.

  42. 42.

    Mike J

    Scott Dworkin‏ Verified account @funder
    Multiple sources say Trump “completely lost his mind” after he found out Mueller’s filed charges & now he’s “having an epic meltdown” #AMJoy

    After?

  44. 44.

    Roger Moore

    @Corner Stone:

    I kind of think it has to be. He’s the hub to get at all the interlinking parts of this investigation.

    I’m not sure that he’s the hub any more than Sessions is. Sessions is the one who was clearly involved with both Russia and the obstruction of justice.

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    @Amir Khalid:

    It will also be instructive to see the reactions in Trumpland — to watch someone give themselves away by showing that little bit too much fear.

    Right now, that appears to be “All of them, Katie”. Seriously, it seems most of the heavy Twitter users are freaking out on Twitter.

  48. 48.

    Corner Stone

    @Amir Khalid: Oh, sorry about that. I thought you had achieved the rank of Captain. Captain Obvious, that is!
    Boom! Roasted! Getchu some of that!

    That was going to be a better joke at some point but I should have counted on your equanimous commenting style.

  57. 57.

    germy

    Charles Pierce on Halperin:

    It would be easy to bask, or to wallow, or to soak for days in the pure schadenfreude of what’s happened to Mark Halperin. But people I respect have convinced me that rejoicing in his downfall would be to disrespect the great harm done to his victims. So, instead, let me just say that I welcome his departure from elite political journalism because his effect on it has been so universally vile. It began when Halperin came up with The Note, a list of various movers and shakers inside the Beltway. If you’re looking for the birth of what the redoubtable Digby calls The Village, then The Note is its Jamestown. It’s where obnoxious and completely unwarranted self-regard set up its first colony in political journalism.

    If there was something trivial that could be blown up into mock significance, Halperin would find it. If there was power somewhere in the vicinity, he would bow and scrape in its direction with a kind of autonomic reflex. (Scholars debate whether or not Halperin’s insipid photo on the Trump helicopter reached deeper into the abyss of sycophancy than did his fawning interview on Glenn Beck’s show. This is a timeless debate that may never resolve itself.) In recent years, of course, he became quite successful as a purveyor of poisonous gossip and of narcotic conventional wisdom. I am happy that the business will be without him, but not entirely sure that his exile will be permanent. There is still a Village and he’s just going to have to wear the bell for a while.

  60. 60.

    trollhattan

    @Jerry:
    Yeah, the Kawasaki triples were 2-stroke, beginning with the 500 H1 Mach III. I rode a friend’s, once, and scared the piss out of myself. Super fast and essentially no brakes or handling. They later made a 750 because reasons, then the KZ1000 signaled the end of their 2-stroke street bikes.

  61. 61.

    Mike J

    @JPL: Are the tweets coming from an iPhone or Android?

    And twenty years ago, what would you have thought about the president’s statements coming from an Android?

  63. 63.

    Sister Golden Bear

    Annoyed that the Pac12 still hasn’t cut a deal with Directv. Thankfully there are other ways to see today’s Cal-Colorado game.

    Though the way it’s going, it seems like Cal’s safeties must have smoked a lot of (legal!) weed pre-game — four major blown coverages just in Q1. Sigh. OTOH, Cal is a second-half team this year, so maybe things will pick up later on.

    CU’s mascot, Ralphie — an actual buffalo — is fun to watch galloping around the field though.

  64. 64.

    Spanky

    Re the indictment(s): This round is just small fry. Manafort is the biggest of the small fry, and I think it’ll probably be someone even smaller. And I strongly suspect this “leak” announcing a sealed indictment was put out there because everyone knows that Certain Individuals cannot refrain from tweeting. And I’m sure there are members of Mueller’s team taking close note of who says what this weekend.

    And there will be more rounds, praise fsm.

    Now off to cut the grass and studiously avoid the PSU/OSU game, because I know my BP cannot take it. Go Lions!

  66. 66.

    JPL

    @Spanky: Manafort’s attorney mentioned a while back that they were expecting an indictment, so he’s probably not a flight risk. Sealed indictments sometimes mean the person could be a flight risk.

  67. 67.

    Steve in the ATL

    @JPL: yes, but I never know who these clowns are. The mailers all just claim to more conservative than the other guy.

  70. 70.

    raven

    @trollhattan: Like my Yamaha RD 350, what a fucking screamer!

    “The stock bike made 39 bhp (29 kW) (32 bhp (24 kW) at the back wheel) at 7500 rpm[1] – very fast for the time. A contemporary of the RD is the Kawasaki H2 750cc Triple, said to make 72 to 75 true HP (tested by Cycle Magazine at 55 bhp).”

  73. 73.

    raven

    @Steve in the ATL: The pucker factor is in evidence! St Mark’s boys just got a gift from the ref’s and it looks like they’ll stay undefeated. I just finished making a big pot of gumbo so now it’s time to let the Big Dawg Eat!!!!!!

  75. 75.

    Fair Economist

    @Roger Moore: I think Manafort is indeed the hub. He was the campaign manager and was responsible more than anybody for getting this bunch of misfits together and giving them their marching orders. He also has a long record of orchestrating complex political operations for Putin and his cronies.

  76. 76.

    trollhattan

    @raven:
    Did test an RD400, which was really quick and very nice handling, I think in part because it was lighter than a lot of the competition. Yamaha made beautiful bikes.

  79. 79.

    Fair Economist

    @Corner Stone:

    I guess the question on the indictment is, do we think it’s about Russia, money laundering (separate from Russia collusion) or some resulting crime such as obstruction or perjury.

    The first indictments are going to be for well-defined, clear-cut crimes like money laundering. Mueller won’t want to lead with something slipperier like obstruction or perjury. Best to prove there was justice to be obstructed first, then go after obstructors.

  82. 82.

    HeleninEire

    Football thread? You Americans do not know football. And how important that sportsball all sportsball is here.

    Sports here are CRAZY. And the fun thing is that because all the European countries are so close, they all travel to to wherever the final is. My first football final here was Dublin vs France (yeah unlike America the vs. means the home team.) Anyway I walk out of my apt and I see all these people dressed in the French flag.

    The great thing was France lost. And all of those frogs were in the pub. And they didn’t care. Well they cared but it was over, so Let’s have a pint and be friends.

    ETA: there are still a lot of paper newspapers here. They are maybe 50 pages long. 20 are devoted to sports scores.

  87. 87.

    trollhattan

    @raven:
    Interesting! Looks like they lived on there after 2-strokers became too difficult to comply with emissions in the States. Hazy memory of a late US RD model with exhaust cats.

  88. 88.

    trollhattan

    @raven:
    Somewhere I have pics of my CB400F on I-5, before it was opened north of town. Made a handy backdrop and dragstrip.

  93. 93.

    germy

    Process it: we're debating whether the person in custody on Monday will be Trump's son, son-in-law, campaign manager, or top NatSec adviser.— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) October 28, 2017

  95. 95.

    Steve in the ATL

    @HeleninEire: I was living in Paris in the 80’s when Italy won the World Cup and suddenly the streets were clogged with Italians, shouting and honking and waving Italian flags. I of course had no idea there was a soccer tournament going on and was just annoyed at the traffic problems.

  96. 96.

    HeleninEire

    @Steve in the ATL: LOL. Picture this. My first time in Dublin 30 years ago. I am walking down O’Connell St (the Broadway of Ireland). All of a sudden I hear this big roar behind me. Apparently Ireland won something and the spontaneous drunk parade was right behind me. A wonderful woman dragged me off the sidewalk into a pub. Good for me. Cuz I love a drunk happy Irishman. 50000 of them? Not so much.

  97. 97.

    James E. Powell

    @raven:

    I started with a Suzuki 90 dirt bike, then a Honda 350, then a 1976 Kawasaki KZ900. That last one was stolen in 1978 and I never owned another bike. Thought I would, but didn’t.

  98. 98.

    Another Scott

    @Davebo: A grade school friend of mine had one of those (I think – it was a 50 cc Honda, but his was red). I was so jealous. He gave me a ride on the back once. I didn’t know how to ride on the back. He leaned left, I leaned right, and we wrecked. No harm done, but he started crying and I didn’t get another ride on it.

    :-(

    Neat little machine.

    The youngsters around here have all kinds of electric Razr scooters and play cars. I think they’re missing out by not having real motors, but “real motors” are going the way of the dodo, so it’s probably for the best.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  102. 102.

    J R in WV

    The WVU game was a little disappointing. They kept having chances to make the points up, and never really took advantage of their opportunities. IT is a tough league, the Big12.

    And it’s raining, which we badly need, but it messes with our internet connection something awful! 3 inches of rain in the month, and the ephemeral stream next to the house is still not running a bit, not even puddles except while it is actually raining.

    ETA: It has been raining since before dawn, nary a tiny shallow puddle in the crick!!

  105. 105.

    J R in WV

    @germy:

    I don’t know who is in the sealed indictment handed up Friday (if that’s when they acted) but I would bet there are several people with similar offenses in the indictment. If a financial crime, both buyer and seller, if you see what I mean. And so forth.

    Hoping so, hard!!

  106. 106.

    Corner Stone

    @Davebo: Used to love those little 50cc bikes. We rode them at a friend’s farm and they had they fat tires on them so we called them…fatties. So much fun.
    It’s ridiculous to see what they are going for nowadays, price wise.

  108. 108.

    Roger Moore

    @HeleninEire:
    My boss’s boss is German and his wife is Argentinian, so you can imagine how relations in that household have turned out after the last couple of World Cups. As far as understanding the importance of international (association) football, I have the advantage of living in Pasadena, which has regularly hosted international games, including the finals of both men’s and women’s World Cups.

  109. 109.

    Steve in the ATL

    @JPL: the sun don’t shine on the same dog’s ass all the time. Betty has had plenty of fun in this rivalry the last couple of decades. She can give us this one!

  112. 112.

    J R in WV

    @JPL:

    If you have any other links, pass them around. The Boss you speak of is a good one. Amazing video, like a dream come true! LMAO

  113. 113.

    James E. Powell

    My Beloved Buckeyes have played like My Beloved Bozos but only trail by 11 at the half. Still, it will take a whole bundle of breaks for them to win this game.

    I am really looking forward to the end of the JT Barrett era.

  117. 117.

    raven

    The storm just rolled in and shut down my dish! Fortunately I got the CBS trial for free and I switched!

  120. 120.

    James E. Powell

    Okay, well, the crow pie is in the oven and I hope it goes well with a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

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