Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Please don’t feed the bears.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Fani Willis claps back at Trump chihuahua, Jim Jordan.

President Biden is doing good where he can, and getting it done.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

If you are still in the gop, you are either an extremist yourself, or in bed with those who are.

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Days Since JD Vance Insulted Women Across America: Zero

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

Let me file that under fuck it.

Maybe you would prefer that we take Joelle’s side in ALL CAPS?

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

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  1. 1.

    Kay

    Sean Hannity‏Verified account @seanhannity 19 Aug 2016
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    .@newtgingrich: “Nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get this [Trump] campaign to where it is right now.”

  4. 4.

    Patricia Kayden

    I can’t see what’s on at Fox due to work filters but that’s probably for the best. LOL.

    I’m listening to the Stephanie Miller show and she’s celebrating Manafort’s downfall. Fun times!!

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    I would love to see Fox News, Rupert Murdoch and clan, Roger Ailes’ survivors, Sean Hannity and the other loonies, get smeared badly and end up implicated too, even tangentially.

    They’re a cancer, and we could never have Trump in office without them. They amplified the crazy mean.

  6. 6.

    zhena gogolia

    . . . и другие официальные лица.

    We’ll see if anyone gets the joke.

  10. 10.

    germy

    Gates is interesting. He remained on the campaign after Manafort left, part of pro Trump Super Pac and inauguration committee.— Andy from Oregon (@AndrewAsaylor) October 30, 2017

  12. 12.

    TS

    @Patricia Kayden: Ari Melber seems to have been doing his homework & he’s been on since the early session with MJ.

    I do enjoy that so many get caught via tax evasion. I so hope Mueller has trump’s tax returns.

  15. 15.

    germy

    @Jerzy Russian: Trump and Fox kept calling it a “nothingburger” and now some wags are saying it’s graduated to “cheeseburger” (i.e., something more substantial.)

  16. 16.

    Amir Khalid

    @jonas:
    I expect he’ll be brought to a Federal court sometime soon, like today or early tomorrow, to hear the charges against him. That has to be done within 24 hours of arrest, right?

  17. 17.

    germy

    6/ Don't take anything from the fact that the charges do not immediately, on their face, implicate Trump or campaign collusion with Russia.— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) October 30, 2017

  19. 19.

    Patricia Kayden

    @TS: Thanks. Messing with taxes may be exactly what brings down Trump and I would assume that Mueller has Trump’s tax returns already. Kind of ironic since Trump refused to show them to us.

  24. 24.

    NotMax

    Interesting that Manafort’s property at Trump Tower is NOT included in the list of assets subject to forfeiture.

  25. 25.

    Lee

    It appears that ‘conspiracy against the US’ is one of the charges.

    That has the potential to ensnare a lot of people.

  33. 33.

    Lee

    @NotMax: If I were him I’m not sure that I would want to be released from custody. The Russians have a very terminal way of dealing with loose ends.

  38. 38.

    ThresherK

    @Kay: Newt:

    Nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get this [Trump] campaign to where it is right now.

    Oh, Newt, you’re so right! Many of them are on their collective way to prison!

    Newt really is a pseudointellectual.

  39. 39.

    p.a.

    RICO possibilities eventually?
    For our legal eagles: conspiracy against the US means against USG? Is this a legal cousin to treason or sedition?
    Aren’t $ prosecutions very hard to get convictions: complicated? (Hence RICO)

  40. 40.

    LAO

    @rikyrah: I really don’t have time to explain, but that doesn’t mean what you think it means. It’s a general conspiracy charge, the object of which is to obstruct justice.

    All federal conspiracy charges have that language.

  43. 43.

    MoxieM

    @Amir Khalid: You know, that war (the Nazi one) ended 3 generations ago, and Germany has (by and large) done a better job of admitting and self-examining its sins — and teaching about its war crimes to the new generations of its country — that pretty much any other county I can think of, most especially the US, France, the Netherlands, Japan…

    Obviously there are a whole bunch of ignorant monsters marching around the US right now claiming to be Nazis, but, yeah, nope, they’re not even. They are cruel, racist, ignorant, violent assholes, but ironically they don’t even meet the (physical) standards of the WWII era German military. Nor do many of them speak German, I’d wager.

    All of which is to say, I personally get a little tired of German being used to stand in for all things evil. (At the moment, in real time, they have an arguably generous refugee resettlement policy–or at least they’re trying. They have amazing state health care. You start at 6 weeks vacation and unlimited sick time in a regular job there. The public transit system is peerless. Living is mainly affordable–and there is safe and decent housing for disabled people and others who need it. When was the last time you saw a large group of homeless people on the street in Germany? Yes they exist, but so do resources for help if wanted.

    Have they elected a Donald Fucking Trump? Their nascent right wing asshole party is at what 13%–we seem to consistently hover at 27%.

    Anyway, rant over. Germany ain’t heaven, but it’s not the father of all evil, either…

  44. 44.

    rikyrah

    Mueller indicts Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chair
    10/30/17 08:49 AM—UPDATED 10/30/17 08:59 AM
    By Steve Benen

    When we learned on Friday that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was poised to issue the first criminal indictment in the Trump-Russia probe, it was entirely possible that it’d be a relatively low-profile figure facing charges. The president’s critics, hoping for a blockbuster revelation, needed to keep their expectations in check.

    As it turns out, however, when the former chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is indicted, it’s an extraordinarily big deal.

    Former Donald Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and his longtime business associate Rick Gates have been told to surrender to law enforcement on Monday, a senior U.S. official told NBC News.

    They are the first people to turn be ordered to surrender in the investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller into the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia and Moscow’s interference in the election last year.

    Rick Gates’ name may not be immediately familiar, but his name came up in a recent interview Rachel did with Greg Farrell, investigative reporter for Bloomberg News. Also note, the New York Times published a profile on Gates in June.

  49. 49.

    Elizabelle

    @Amir Khalid: Will be interesting to see if Manafort is released, or remanded. He may have been offered the choice; we don’t know.

    Where is he safer? Out and about, or in federal custody, maybe with some extra privileges to reward him for cooperating.

  51. 51.

    rikyrah

    uh huh
    uh huh

    Cyprus named as one offshore account Manafort and Gates used to hide millions. Any comment, Wilbur Ross?

    — meta (@metaquest) October 30, 2017

  52. 52.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Lee: For the life of me I can not think of a single reason why Putin would want Manafort dead. The more chaos the better and he maximizes that with a Manafort trial/pardon/anything.

  54. 54.

    JMG

    We’ve all seen Law and Order and know how this works. The indictment is “here’s what you’re nailed beyond doubt on.” In the conference with the defendant, the next move is “here’s more serious stuff we could go for unless you cooperate,”

  56. 56.

    LAO

    @Amir Khalid: When you self surrender in feds, you go to FBI to be processed. Then to court for arraignment. It’s more likely than not that the ausa has agreed to bond.

  59. 59.

    El Caganer

    @MoxieM: They also have a very powerful labor movement, no? Something that’s been disintegrating in this country for the last 40 years.

  60. 60.

    Wumpus

    @p.a.

    “For our legal eagles: conspiracy against the US means against USG? Is this a legal cousin to treason or sedition?”

    If you read the indictment, the “conspiracy against the US” is conspiracy to defraud the government by not paying taxes on income. In other words, the prosecutors are going the the Al Capone route and charging the defendants with earning ill-gotten gains and then not paying taxes on it.

    Are these going to be the only charges against Manafort? Probably not. According to this article, “Four sources told NBC News that there was a statute of limitations issue in play that may have helped drive Monday’s charges by Mueller” – i.e. they needed to file these particular charges right now and not wait – and “The sources said the indictment does not preclude other charges being filed against Manafort in the future.”

  62. 62.

    zhena gogolia

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I made a rather obscure joke, using the phrase “i drugie ofitsial’nye litsa.” It was the phrase that ended most of the stories on the evening news Vremia. Some visiting dignitary would be met at the airport by Gorbachev, his deputies, “and other official personages [i drugie ofitsial’nye litsa].” I thought it would be a good phrase for today.

  63. 63.

    schrodingers_cat

    @MoxieM: Britain has never said sorry for its Empire and the atrocities they committed over a much longer span of time than did Nazi Germany. They are busy make rosy nostalgic TV shows about the fucking Raj and the present generation knows next to nothing about the Empire.

  64. 64.

    Gin & Tonic

    @MoxieM: I was in Bavaria this summer, and had occasion to visit the “Documentation Center” outside Berchtesgaden. It presents a sobering (and accurate, I believe) assessment of the rise and fall of the Third Reich, and is located on the grounds of Hitler’s summer compound. The interesting thing is it’s primarily geared for a domestic audience – there are some minor concessions to non-German speakers, but by and large everything is in German. And it is struggling logistically because it is operating at five times the capacity it was designed for. The place was jam-packed when we were there on a random weekday.

  68. 68.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @LAO: Yay! a jackal legal eagle! I know you’re busy, but when you have time, can you tell us how Mueller can protect his investigation (that is, continue bringing findings to light) if he gets fired?

    OzarkHillbilly noted in the thread below that Mueller is sharing info with the NY state’s AG, but what about on the federal level?

    Thank you.

  71. 71.

    Brachiator

    @MoxieM:

    All of which is to say, I personally get a little tired of German being used to stand in for all things evil.

    Your argument is with the Nazis, not anyone here.

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    @Amir Khalid

    Well, there’s always the Ecuadorian embassy.     ;)

    Not a lawyer, but pretty confident orders to freeze his accounts would be put out immediately following revocation of bail.

  75. 75.

    Patricia Kayden

    @JPL:

    Why isn’t the President following through on the sanctions on Russia? hmmm

    And why haven’t Republicans asked him about his failure to do so?

  76. 76.

    LAO

    @O. Felix Culpa: I’m actually on trial today, waiting for late jurors so can’t be all that much help today.

    And I’m not certain how Mueller can protect the investigation. Will need to think on that.

  78. 78.

    rikyrah

    There Was No Reason To Hire Manafort Except to Collude with Russia
    by David Atkins
    October 29, 2017

    As the political world waits anxiously for the seal to be broken on special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictments, the smart money is on Paul Manafort as the principal target. Manafort is clearly corrupt, having made millions under the table selling his services to pro-Putin forces in Ukraine. He’s the target of an FBI probe focused on at least 13 suspicious wire transfers related to his dealing overseas.

    Beyond pathetically attempting to redirect attention to Hillary Clinton and attack the integrity of the Steele dossier, the conservative line is that while Manafort may have been involved in shady dealings, and while Trump’s family and campaign may have met with Russians promising to deliver dirt on his opponent, Trump himself was not complicit with Russia to interfere in the election.

    This is almost assuredly untrue, because there was no reason to hire Manafort in the first place except to collude with Russia.

  81. 81.

    Brachiator

    @Major Major Major Major:

    So if we’re going to operate under the assumption that this is step 0 or step 1 in nailing Trump, what’s the game?

    Bad assumption. These opening moves could be seen to be pre- Trump or independent of Trump.

    Now, you nail Jared.

  82. 82.

    Montanareddog

    @Brachiator: The mathematical opposite of a “nothing burger” would, I suppose, be an “infinity burger” which I think is an appropriate synonym for Trump since every bad story about him appears to be true.

  88. 88.

    Patricia Kayden

    @MoxieM: I love love love Angela Merkel. She’s done a great job of leading Germany and as far as I can tell, she can accept the title of “Leader of the Free World” which used to be associated with our Presidents.

  93. 93.

    Amir Khalid

    @NotMax:
    Manafort has been aware for some time that the Feds were after him. He’s had time to prepare an escape. I would have, were I in his shoes.

  95. 95.

    Jack the Second

    I wonder if, realistically, the best-case scenario isn’t to indict and jail everyone who wouldn’t get a pardon (ie, everyone not related to Trump), while making everyone else feel like they’re a hairsbreadth from indictment.

    If Trump just blankets everyone in a fluffy layer of pardons we get to find out what happens if we lose another set of democratic norms. If we just scare the piss out of everyone involved and watching, maybe future Republican co-conspirators will start invoking they only thing that supercedes “Party above country”, “self above Party”, and decline to participate in future treasons.

  97. 97.

    MoxieM

    @El Caganer: Yup they do, and good non-university education for folks who want to do other things. And respect for non-white collar jobs. (Downside is you have to pick at a young age and the tracking is stringent).

  101. 101.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @LAO: But how’s he gonna pay for his lawyer? I guess poor Paulie’s gonna have to settle for an overworked public defender.//

  102. 102.

    tracy ratclif

    @Jerzy Russian: This will be lost in all the other replies, but in Windows and on Apple products, the emoji for “hamburger/cheeseburger” has the cheese on top of the hamburger patty. On Android and other Google products, the cheese is under the patty. Hamburger purists are outraged.

  106. 106.

    Jack the Second

    @schrodingers_cat: Not to mention Britain just getting tired of being an Empire after WWII and going home, setting the stage for the problems in the Middle East and leaving the US to play world police, which hasn’t really benefited anyone but Europe.

  107. 107.

    MoxieM

    @schrodingers_cat: Exactly! and the Dutch were the second largest slave trading nation– largely unknown. VOE (Dutch East India Co.) committed similar depredations in Indonesia and Southeast Asia for generations. Virtually no acknowledgement, no reparation. And the French! not only the Vichy BS, but demanding reparations from Haiti into what…the 1970s!! scandalous. Draining the country of assets and then pointing the finger.

    But this is thread derailment…

    Back to your regularly scheduled and anxiously awaited Trump cabal indictments.

    Once the dominoes start falling, how fast can we anticipate more?

  108. 108.

    Jack the Second

    @NotMax: I’ll wait to hang my hopes on impeachment till after the midterms. Meanwhile I think Sessions and Pence could go to jail and Trump would call them sad losers. Sessions already pissed him off by not firing Mueller and even he knows Pence is a vulture waiting to feast on his downfall.

  109. 109.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @MoxieM: Sorry, I failed (rather badly) at making my point: The Nazis were a political party, the Wehrmacht was the German Army, the SS were the paramilitary arm of the Nazi party. So fat white Americans running around with Nazi armbands and espousing white supremacy while technically not Nazis (is there an actual honest to dog American Nazi party?) I think the term Nazi as a descriptor fits them fairly well. And besides, if they want to call themselves Nazis, I say we take them up on it.

  110. 110.

    Corner Stone

    @Jack the Second:

    and leaving the US to play world police, which hasn’t really benefited anyone but Europe.

    Hmmm…I think you may want to think on this one for a bit.

  113. 113.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Brachiator: I don’t understand why that’s a bad assumption. I know that Mueller is after the truth and such, not any particular political target, but what I meant is, if this is step 1 in going after somebody bigger. I mean, it’s unlikely that the goal of arresting Manafort to get him to flip is, like, Pelosi.

  114. 114.

    Alain the site fixer

    @zhena gogolia: FYI it wasn’t the Cyrillic, it was the first characters. A lot of Cyrillic spam starts with certain character(s) and so is blocked.

  116. 116.

    But her emails!!!

    The only reason the American Nazis aren’t behaving like their historic German role models is that they still don’t have the power despite holding all three branches of government. Even though the foundations of our government are rotting and crumbling due to neglected and have been deliberately hollowed out and undermined, they are still more resilient than what was in place in the Wiemar Republic.

  119. 119.

    But her emails!!!

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Pelosi would be a tough target to take down. Setting aside the reality that she’s almost certainly clean, even if she was dirty she’s significantly smarter, more cautious, better disciplined and better organized than the Trump Troupe.

  121. 121.

    Major Major Major Major

    @But her emails!!!:

    Even though the foundations of our government are rotting and crumbling due to neglected and have been deliberately hollowed out and undermined, they are still more resilient than what was in place in the Wiemar Republic.

    We’ve been around a couple orders of magnitude longer.

    ETA or one, depending on how you count

  122. 122.

    Jack the Second

    @Major Major Major Major: Asia is one of the places we’ve played World Police. America benefits from trade, sure, but we’ve built a culture of permanent militarization, which I don’t think a fair trade for trade, and we get to occasionally be reviled for going to far or not far enough.

  123. 123.

    But her emails!!!

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Yeah. That’s basically my point. Of course, being around longer is both a blessing and a curse. It means time to solidify a set of norms and build institutions, but also time to corrupt and undermine the same.

  125. 125.

    Alain the site fixer

    @zhena gogolia: sorry, at hospital visiting mom. The list of words to block includes some Cyrillic. I don’t read it and trust the source but perhaps it is overly sensitive. Please send me an email and I’ll send the words to you to get your input as to the appropriateness of including them.

  128. 128.

    Alain the site fixer

    @zhena gogolia: forgot to say that a large proportion of Cyrillic spam starts with the same few words so that’s the logic behind using them, but this may be causing you and others issues!

  129. 129.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Alain the site fixer: This is a relatively minor point that only affects a couple of us, but it’s not “initial characters” as I just entered a comment that began with English and was 90% English but included at the end one 4-character word in Cyrillic and I went straight to moderation. I used to be able to write in Cyrillic without an issue.

  132. 132.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Jack the Second: No they didn’t just get tired. They turned tail in India after the armed forces rose up in open rebellion in addition to the freedom movement after 1945. They left after partitioning British India a year and half ahead of schedule and left the two newly formed countries to deal with the fallout. That has been a bleeding wound between India and Pakistan since 1947.

  134. 134.

    Jack the Second

    @Major Major Major Major: Jesus H, I’m bitching in blog comments, not writing a comprehensive paper of the winners and losers of the post-WWII realignment of world powers. I’m just saying that it pisses me off when Europe acts like they didn’t start half the fires that the US has spent the last century running around pouring gasoline and water on.

  136. 136.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Major Major Major Major: Japan definitely benefited but not Vietnam. Arming Pakistan has benefited neither India nor Pakistan. China has also been a winner.

    ETA: In general United States World Policeman propagated the policies of the two west European winners of WWII, namely UK and France in Asia.

  137. 137.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @satby: Remember when Tapper was the one defending his “colleagues” at Faux Noise?

    That put his name on the tumbrel manifest in indelible ink.

  138. 138.

    low-tech cyclist

    @rikyrah:

    Rachel Maddow shares a scoop from the Wall Street Journal that Rebecca Mercer directed Cambridge Analytica to offer to help Wikileaks even as Cambridge Analytica was part of the Trump campaign and the Wikileaks documents were known to be the product of Russian hackers.

    (correct spelling) Rebekah Mercer is one of the right-wing billionaires who provide the funding for the army of wingnut welfare organizations that make all the wingnut stuff look more grass-roots than it really is.

    I’d love it if it turned out that she’d done something indictable.

  139. 139.

    slag

    Careful, buddy, that’s Jake Tapper’s “sister station” you’re talking about. Just because they’ve been a corrupt, sexually harassing Republican mouthpiece for 20+ years doesn’t mean they can’t report the news!

  140. 140.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @OzarkHillbilly: @MoxieM: I pretty much agree with yinz, but just FTR, Goering is not the example you want to cite;:

    A veteran World War I fighter pilot ace, he was a recipient of the Pour le Mérite. He was the last commander of Jagdgeschwader 1, the fighter wing once led by Manfred von Richthofen.

    IOW as of the time he joined the NSDAP (1922) – before the morphine addiction & serious added kilogrammage – he pretty much was the Nazi ideal.

  141. 141.

    Major Major Major Major

    @schrodingers_cat: Vietnam benefited eventually via China benefiting, and I imagine the millions of anti-communists in the Vietnamese diaspora would think they benefited (the ones I know do).

    ETA and these countries have just a few hundred million more people than Europe.

    ETAA and we’re leaving out South Korea for some reason.

  146. 146.

    sherparick

    @MoxieM: Germany and Angela Merkel are defenders of the Democracy and Western Civilianization (the good part) at the moment from the Neo-Facist Trump, Briexiters, and Putin. (P.S. Rupert Murdoch is there trying to get something out of all three for his support.)

  148. 148.

    Brachiator

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I don’t understand why that’s a bad assumption. I know that Mueller is after the truth and such, not any particular political target, but what I meant is, if this is step 1 in going after somebody bigger. I mean, it’s unlikely that the goal of arresting Manafort to get him to flip is, like, Pelosi.

    A political junkie noted over the weekend that the Clinton investigation began with the Whitewater real estate deal and ended with Monica Lewinsky. I don’t think anyone could have predicted how that would eventually unfold.

    We will see how things develop, but I think that a lot of the Manafort stuff came before he got hooked up with Trump. Who knows. Again, my main point is that I don’t think it possible to have informed speculation about any of this. But theories and wild ass guesses are always welcome in Internet-ville.

  150. 150.

    sherparick

    @Villago Delenda Est: Yep, in 2009 he was defending them from the Obama administration pointing out that Faux News was a propaganda arm of the Republican Party, which of course they were. Tapper and CNN were pretty much in the tank for the W. Administration and the Iraq War to the very end.

  151. 151.

    J R in WV

    @eclare:

    Assume he’ll be required to surrender his passport….

    Yes, but which ones? Given that it’s easy to have dual/multiple passports when you are wealthy just by “investing” in many island nations, I would bet these guys can travel under multiple passports with multiple names even.

  152. 152.

    SFAW

    @MoxieM:

    They are cruel, racist, ignorant, violent assholes, but ironically they don’t even meet the (physical) standards of the WWII era German military. Nor do many of them speak German, I’d wager.

    Ja, nicht wahr?
    Aber, wie sagt man “Juden ‘raus” auf Englisch, oder Russisch, oder Franzosich?

    In other words: and yet, a significant portion of the Rethuglican Partei seems to be in love, or at least heavily in like, with a number of the things for which the National Soshulist Partei (in Deutschland) was known.

    Or were all those Dockers/khaki-clad, tiki-torch-bearing marchers showing their solidarity with some other group, and I completely misunderstood?

  154. 154.

    J R in WV

    @rikyrah:

    This is almost assuredly untrue, because there was no reason to hire Manafort in the first place except to collude with Russia.

    Good afternoon, rikyrah! Love your posting, mostly always agree with your points. But I do have a nit to pick with this paragraph, specifically your use of the word “collude”.

    People have been using it as a synonym for “conspire” and in ordinary speech that would be fine. But legally, collusion is combining to accomplish something that may or may not be illegal. Conspiracy is different and implies combining to violate the law while hiding what is going on.

    This is why the mass media are using collude, collusion, etc with regard to Trumpism. They want to get people thinking of this conspiracy as something that has nothing to do with law breaking. That’s why they never use the word conspiracy. Note that government/Trump spokespeople ALWAYS use collusion when they speak of people who may have done things with or for Trump.

  156. 156.

    MoxieM

    @OzarkHillbilly: True, until the Nazi leadership decided to overtake the Heer. Honestly I can’t remember all the detail since military history ain’t my thing, but basically Hitler (or, “the Monster” as my grandfather called him) and his leadership circle realized that the mainly professional soldiering officer class at the head of the various military branches was not totally down with the NSDAP agenda, so they engineered and/or killed people to gain control. I believe all this prior to Barbarossa? Somebody with a better command of deets can please correct me.

    [If I knew how to do the snazzy multi part answers I would…]

    I had no idea this would be a topic of interest, with the indictment and all. Nach Mannafort kommen Wer?

  157. 157.

    TenguPhule

    @J R in WV:

    I would bet these guys can travel under multiple passports with multiple names even.

    Fortunately Russia has a very long reach and doesn’t give a shit about safe havens.

    So the loose ends have nowhere else to run to.

  159. 159.

    MoxieM

    @SFAW: I am completely in favor of Nazi punching, Nazi shaming, Nazi harassing, Nazi arresting (has that actually happened yet, besides the car-murdering maniac?). Just so it’s clear.

    What I was trying to say… was simply that using the German language as a stand-in for “bad stuff” fails to capture a lot of history, and present reality. It’s too simplistic. (Notwithstanding that Boris and Natasha have a lot to teach us about other matters!)

    Genug, doch?

  161. 161.

    SFAW

    @MoxieM:

    What I was trying to say… was simply that using the German language as a stand-in for “bad stuff” fails to capture a lot of history, and present reality. It’s too simplistic.

    Shorthand, perhaps, but not simplistic.

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