And, you remember 6 or 8 years ago when it was fun to see a Miramax film or look forward to the next Kevin Spacey flick? That’s also when you could claim not to know much about how football destroys lives.
But times have changed. At least for some people.
5.
JMG
Not a card that’s going to keep me from Saturday suburban old guy putterer errands. Hell, everybody back when I played (the ’60s) knew football was dangerous. It was one reason we teenage boys liked it. But we didn’t know HOW dangerous.
6.
Amaranthine RBG
@raven: Would you say those 10 and 11 year olds who’ve already sustained brain damage knew what they were getting into?
Let’s see 10, 11, 12, 13 = old enough to rationally assess risk but 14 is to young to give consent to Kevin Spacey. Got that right?
@I’ll be Frank: You obviously know nothing about major college football.
14.
FlyingToaster
@Amaranthine RBG: Under 16, 18, or 21 (depending upon explicit circumstances), your parents’ or guardians’ consent is required. I and my siblings couldn’t play sports or play an instrument or be in chess club without it. My daughter can’t play a sport without both parents signing the consent AND a doctor’s okay.
Most of us learned about consent in HS civics; what were you doing instead, harassing people already?
Back under your bridge, troll.
15.
FlyingToaster
@I’ll be Frank: The MIC expanded to college ball first. What planet have you been living on?
Oh man, Shorthose. That’s the thing about Mizzou fans. We had it good with Pinkel, but anyone who was around before that knows just how bad it can be. But we love ‘em anyway. Every true son and daughter will tramp, tramp, tramp around the columns with a cheer for old Mizzou!
18.
raven
@Jumbo76: Well, I’m an Illini but I know what’s up! Flew into Columbia for the game in 83, the year we went to the Rose Bowl and got smoked by 6-5 UCLA.
19.
raven
@FlyingToaster: Two years ago I took 8 Italian Soil Scientists to the UGA-Ketucky on Veterans Day. They we stunned by the jingoism!
20.
I'll be Frank
@raven: Let me rephrase my question. Under the guise of marketing for recruits the military has been paying the NFL and NBA for “acts” of patriotism. So, does anybody know, have the Colleges been being paid for displays of “acts” of patriotism?
In response to your ascertion that I know nothing about footzball, I do know it involves lots of bourbon, as my alma mater’s football team won National Championships both my senior years.
You make my point. The fact that supposedly rational adults will consent to allow their pre-teen children sustain life-changing or life-ending brain injuries underlines the fact that there needs to be legislation protecting the children from such idiocy.
I mean, there are probably a number of parents out there who would consent to allow Kevin Spacey to assfuck their 14 year old children, but there’s laws against that sort of thing for a reason.
23.
I'll be Frank
@Amaranthine RBG: I can see WV doing this without receiving a penny, it’s just in their wheelhouse.
@raven: I was in the Hoosier Marching 100, so I went to every home game and (counting) 6 away games. They’d have local ANG do flyovers at pregame. And that was more than 30 years ago. It certainly hasn’t become LESS during that span.
I’m failing to watch the Badgers pound the Hoosiers, only because I can’t imagine caring less about football than I already do.
@Mike J: I did my best to ensure that no new columns were built, and that the lions never roared.
30.
Hellbastard
Go Cougs!
31.
raven
@FlyingToaster: I have the Illini-Purdue on the small pip screen while waiting to go to there UGA South Carolina game!
32.
FlyingToaster
@PaulWartenberg: You have the possible recruits to UniFlorida (I don’t have a clue as to what they call themselves) weighing the option of a mostly-free college education and a guarantee that pro scouts will see you versus having to spend 5 years in Gainesville. Tis’ a puzzlement.
33.
FlyingToaster
@raven: Having spent time in both Chambana and West Lafayette, GO ILLINI!
34.
raven
@FlyingToaster: I was in Bloomington for the game when Corso was the coach and Buckner was a d-back!
35.
FlyingToaster
@raven: That’s when I was a freshman. It seems like a lifetime ago.
36.
raven
@FlyingToaster: You may also appreciate that Jeff George Jr is playing QB for the Illini.
37.
J R in WV
OMG – the whole college football thread is about pie!!! I knew there could be a downside to any new innovation, but this is, well not so bad, I guess.
My local broadcast TV football schedule today is terrible. All Big10, with a could SEC games and one ACC game. No teams I give a shit about. Last week there were 3 Big12 games, all interesting to a state with a school in the Big 12.
Sad!
Plus too much pie…
38.
Johnnybuck
Did Florida forget how to play this game?
39.
raven
@J R in WV: The Hokies and Miami at 8 should be good.
Isn’t his dad still trying to get a pro team to take him? It’s only been 16 years since he last threw a pass…
Elderly Jeff George would easily be #1 on the Cleveland Browns QB depth chart this year
45.
raven
@Steve in the ATL: I’m watching Uber hoping it’s going to get cheaper closer to kickoff!
46.
Corner Stone
@Steve in the ATL: *I* could be the #1 on the Browns chart. I know how to not take a sack and/or strip sack fumble loss. That puts me +100 yards per game ahead of their current rotation.
47.
Dolly Llama
Betty, as a Georgia fan just watching as a disinterested observer (OK, an anti-Gator-biased observer), your game has been about as fun to watch as watching mollusks mate. The thing is, as bad as it looks for y’all now, I still think you’re in it.
48.
raven
@Dolly Llama: Why aren’t you watching Auburn-A&M? I saw you over at GTP but I’m glad to see you here.
49.
Steve in the ATL
@Dolly Llama: Georgia had Ray Goff and Jim Donnan; Alabama had Mike Dubose and Mike Shula; LSU has Ed Orgeron. Shit happens. Florida will be fine.
50.
scav
@J R in WV: Could just go meta with the whole thing and explicitly watch threads for the quality and quantity of the pie thrown. There’s enough talent here for a BJ-specific league of pie tossing. With just a bit more dedication to the sport, couldn’t we have managed a pie-tossing melee just below on craft v. local v. industrially-right-wing pizza below? How meta-meta is that?!
I was just catching up on threads from earlier this week and noticed a comment from geg6, which reminded me that she and John were waiting for health news. Have we heard anything yet?
P.S. Sorry to interrupt sports talk.
53.
cope
@Steeplejack: Yeah, looks like my morning tomorrow is shot.
That’s one of the perks of following EPL, though, is that by the time most of their games are over, the whole day is still stretched out in front of you.
54.
Steve in the ATL
@raven: no, but he looked and talked like an inbred hillbilly and did not inspire confidence
55.
raven
@Steve in the ATL:Cuz god knows there are no inbdred hillbilly Dawg fans!!!
56.
JPL
@Steve in the ATL: If you haven’t voted, Vicki Horton is suppose to be a good choice for Council.
57.
Johnnybuck
@raven: Poor bastard had to play Spurrier, Fulmer and George O’Leary every year. Donnan did all right.
I think that’s because the Gators are looking like the ’72 Houston Oilers.
59.
Amir Khalid
@cope:
Liverpool seem to have recovered from their slump. They’re up 0-2 before the half-hour.
60.
raven
Aite, a rare game when my bride is going. She’s been good luck for the Dawgs the few times she goes so we got that going. If things were to work out next week with the Hokies in the ATL we might go over for that one and get back home for the Dawgs.
So much depends on getting it right when you hire a head coach. Thing is, the position of major college football head coach is sort of like that of NFL quarterback, in that the skill set necessary to do it really well on a consistent basis is possessed by a very limited number of people at any given time. UF was able to hire two of those people (Spurrier and Meyer), and enjoyed much success and glory for their combined 18 seasons in Gainesville. Outside of those 18 years, it’s been tough sledding with non-entities like Hall, Zook, Muschamp and McElwain. Hopefully UF can identify and hire one of those rare gems this time around.
Going to the Miami-Virginia Tech game tonight with my father-in-law, whose two great loves in life are Hurricane football and Donald Trump. Hopefully the game will be gripping enough to keep him from wanting to talk politics.
I can root for whoever has the ball, or doesn’t have the ball. WVU had a long history playing VaTech, and Miami, for that matter. But not so much anymore.
The Big 12: Texas, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, Kansas and K-state, etc. Va Tech and WVU played their opener, and Va Tech beat them after a great comeback attempt by WVU. Sometimes those work out well, and other times not so much. I miss beating Pitt.
I think the first live college football games I saw were WVU v Pitt and WVU v Penn State. Probably in the late 1950s, my dad was a huge fan a booster, on commttees for the J-School, etc. For a little kid it was a little over-whelming, really.
Later on, as WVU’s program got better, they were invited to bowl games, and starting in the late 1960s dad would take the whole family to wherever, so we’ve been to Gator Bowls, Peach Bowls, The Sugar Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, etc, which would have been a little batter if we had won more of them. But still a fan – which is funny, I’m a Marshall Grad, because we lived within driving distance of MU when I decided to use my GI Bill benefits. But once you’re a fan, that’s pretty much the end of that.
Although I’m not sure how the Penn State fans live with that scandal. I have no problem watching a Penn State game, any of them, and rooting for the other guys. Notre Dame, too!!
64.
Duane
@Johnnybuck: Unbelievable that Missouri kicked Florida like that. Did the Gator’s have eleven players per side?
65.
J R in WV
NC State is giving Clemson a little more than they can handle so far. They’re able to rush the ball, the Qback is passing 14 for 15 so far.
I would like NC State to beat Clemson, one of the teams a like to root against. Good looking rushing backs for NC State, good blocking, hard push by the ball carriers. One of our good friends ran cross country for NC state years ago, very tall woman.
Well that was then, and this is now. NC State hasn’t scored another point, and Clemson has. Darn. I’m going to sip my G&T and listen to the WVU – Iowa St game.
Amaranthine RBG
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/sports/football/tackle-football-brain-youth.html?_r=0
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Amaranthine RBG: Steve, thanks. Thanks for keepin’ it real.
raven
Oh yes because no fucking body ever had any idea that football was dangerous.
Amaranthine RBG
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Sure thing, Mike. You’re welcome.
And, you remember 6 or 8 years ago when it was fun to see a Miramax film or look forward to the next Kevin Spacey flick? That’s also when you could claim not to know much about how football destroys lives.
But times have changed. At least for some people.
JMG
Not a card that’s going to keep me from Saturday suburban old guy putterer errands. Hell, everybody back when I played (the ’60s) knew football was dangerous. It was one reason we teenage boys liked it. But we didn’t know HOW dangerous.
Amaranthine RBG
@raven: Would you say those 10 and 11 year olds who’ve already sustained brain damage knew what they were getting into?
Let’s see 10, 11, 12, 13 = old enough to rationally assess risk but 14 is to young to give consent to Kevin Spacey. Got that right?
raven
@Amaranthine RBG: Don’t you have something else to do?
Steeplejack
@Betty Cracker:
Fixed that for you.
—Steep ’72
I'll be Frank
Has the Military Industrial Complex expanded to include college football or is it only Pro ball?
Jumbo76
@Steeplejack:
M-I-Z!
cope
“…and other top match-ups…” that’s funny.
Me, I’ll be watching Liverpool/West Ham this afternoon.
raven
@Jumbo76: Remember Shorthose!!
raven
@I’ll be Frank: You obviously know nothing about major college football.
FlyingToaster
@Amaranthine RBG: Under 16, 18, or 21 (depending upon explicit circumstances), your parents’ or guardians’ consent is required. I and my siblings couldn’t play sports or play an instrument or be in chess club without it. My daughter can’t play a sport without both parents signing the consent AND a doctor’s okay.
Most of us learned about consent in HS civics; what were you doing instead, harassing people already?
Back under your bridge, troll.
FlyingToaster
@I’ll be Frank: The MIC expanded to college ball first. What planet have you been living on?
Amaranthine RBG
@I’ll be Frank:
https://www.smokingmusket.com/2011/8/29/2389704/mountaineer-mantrip-a-new-tradition-begins
Jumbo76
@raven:
Oh man, Shorthose. That’s the thing about Mizzou fans. We had it good with Pinkel, but anyone who was around before that knows just how bad it can be. But we love ‘em anyway. Every true son and daughter will tramp, tramp, tramp around the columns with a cheer for old Mizzou!
raven
@Jumbo76: Well, I’m an Illini but I know what’s up! Flew into Columbia for the game in 83, the year we went to the Rose Bowl and got smoked by 6-5 UCLA.
raven
@FlyingToaster: Two years ago I took 8 Italian Soil Scientists to the UGA-Ketucky on Veterans Day. They we stunned by the jingoism!
I'll be Frank
@raven: Let me rephrase my question. Under the guise of marketing for recruits the military has been paying the NFL and NBA for “acts” of patriotism. So, does anybody know, have the Colleges been being paid for displays of “acts” of patriotism?
In response to your ascertion that I know nothing about footzball, I do know it involves lots of bourbon, as my alma mater’s football team won National Championships both my senior years.
PaulWartenberg
it’s a good thing the Gators are gonna tank the rest of the season, it gives us a better shot at a top value draft pick in April.
…
what?
Amaranthine RBG
@FlyingToaster:
You make my point. The fact that supposedly rational adults will consent to allow their pre-teen children sustain life-changing or life-ending brain injuries underlines the fact that there needs to be legislation protecting the children from such idiocy.
I mean, there are probably a number of parents out there who would consent to allow Kevin Spacey to assfuck their 14 year old children, but there’s laws against that sort of thing for a reason.
I'll be Frank
@Amaranthine RBG: I can see WV doing this without receiving a penny, it’s just in their wheelhouse.
raven
@Amaranthine RBG: Go the fuck away douche.
pat
@Amaranthine RBG:
Man you must be a real hit at parties.
Mike J
@Jumbo76: Z-O-U
FlyingToaster
@raven: I was in the Hoosier Marching 100, so I went to every home game and (counting) 6 away games. They’d have local ANG do flyovers at pregame. And that was more than 30 years ago. It certainly hasn’t become LESS during that span.
I’m failing to watch the Badgers pound the Hoosiers, only because I can’t imagine caring less about football than I already do.
Steeplejack
@cope:
I’m resting up for the big double-header tomorrow: Manchester City-Arsenal and then Chelsea-Manchester United.
Mike J
@Mike J: I did my best to ensure that no new columns were built, and that the lions never roared.
Hellbastard
Go Cougs!
raven
@FlyingToaster: I have the Illini-Purdue on the small pip screen while waiting to go to there UGA South Carolina game!
FlyingToaster
@PaulWartenberg: You have the possible recruits to UniFlorida (I don’t have a clue as to what they call themselves) weighing the option of a mostly-free college education and a guarantee that pro scouts will see you versus having to spend 5 years in Gainesville. Tis’ a puzzlement.
FlyingToaster
@raven: Having spent time in both Chambana and West Lafayette, GO ILLINI!
raven
@FlyingToaster: I was in Bloomington for the game when Corso was the coach and Buckner was a d-back!
FlyingToaster
@raven: That’s when I was a freshman. It seems like a lifetime ago.
raven
@FlyingToaster: You may also appreciate that Jeff George Jr is playing QB for the Illini.
J R in WV
OMG – the whole college football thread is about pie!!! I knew there could be a downside to any new innovation, but this is, well not so bad, I guess.
My local broadcast TV football schedule today is terrible. All Big10, with a could SEC games and one ACC game. No teams I give a shit about. Last week there were 3 Big12 games, all interesting to a state with a school in the Big 12.
Sad!
Plus too much pie…
Johnnybuck
Did Florida forget how to play this game?
raven
@J R in WV: The Hokies and Miami at 8 should be good.
Steve in the ATL
@Steeplejack:
They look like the ’72 Dolphins at the moment
FlyingToaster
@raven: Okay, so that apple didn’t roll away from the tree at all.
Isn’t his dad still trying to get a pro team to take him? It’s only been 16 years since he last threw a pass…
raven
@FlyingToaster: Well at least he didn’t go to Purdue too!
Betty Cracker
@Johnnybuck: Yes. Yes they have. Makes me feel young, though. We haven’t sucked this bad since I was a student there.
Steve in the ATL
@FlyingToaster:
Elderly Jeff George would easily be #1 on the Cleveland Browns QB depth chart this year
raven
@Steve in the ATL: I’m watching Uber hoping it’s going to get cheaper closer to kickoff!
Corner Stone
@Steve in the ATL: *I* could be the #1 on the Browns chart. I know how to not take a sack and/or strip sack fumble loss. That puts me +100 yards per game ahead of their current rotation.
Dolly Llama
Betty, as a Georgia fan just watching as a disinterested observer (OK, an anti-Gator-biased observer), your game has been about as fun to watch as watching mollusks mate. The thing is, as bad as it looks for y’all now, I still think you’re in it.
raven
@Dolly Llama: Why aren’t you watching Auburn-A&M? I saw you over at GTP but I’m glad to see you here.
Steve in the ATL
@Dolly Llama: Georgia had Ray Goff and Jim Donnan; Alabama had Mike Dubose and Mike Shula; LSU has Ed Orgeron. Shit happens. Florida will be fine.
scav
@J R in WV: Could just go meta with the whole thing and explicitly watch threads for the quality and quantity of the pie thrown. There’s enough talent here for a BJ-specific league of pie tossing. With just a bit more dedication to the sport, couldn’t we have managed a pie-tossing melee just below on craft v. local v. industrially-right-wing pizza below? How meta-meta is that?!
raven
@Steve in the ATL: Donnan wasn’t THAT bad of a coach.
WaterGirl
I was just catching up on threads from earlier this week and noticed a comment from geg6, which reminded me that she and John were waiting for health news. Have we heard anything yet?
P.S. Sorry to interrupt sports talk.
cope
@Steeplejack: Yeah, looks like my morning tomorrow is shot.
That’s one of the perks of following EPL, though, is that by the time most of their games are over, the whole day is still stretched out in front of you.
Steve in the ATL
@raven: no, but he looked and talked like an inbred hillbilly and did not inspire confidence
raven
@Steve in the ATL:Cuz god knows there are no inbdred hillbilly Dawg fans!!!
JPL
@Steve in the ATL: If you haven’t voted, Vicki Horton is suppose to be a good choice for Council.
Johnnybuck
@raven: Poor bastard had to play Spurrier, Fulmer and George O’Leary every year. Donnan did all right.
Steeplejack
@Steve in the ATL:
I think that’s because the Gators are looking like the ’72 Houston Oilers.
Amir Khalid
@cope:
Liverpool seem to have recovered from their slump. They’re up 0-2 before the half-hour.
raven
Aite, a rare game when my bride is going. She’s been good luck for the Dawgs the few times she goes so we got that going. If things were to work out next week with the Hokies in the ATL we might go over for that one and get back home for the Dawgs.
Steve in the ATL
@raven: have fun! Let’s crush these bastards!
Gator90
So much depends on getting it right when you hire a head coach. Thing is, the position of major college football head coach is sort of like that of NFL quarterback, in that the skill set necessary to do it really well on a consistent basis is possessed by a very limited number of people at any given time. UF was able to hire two of those people (Spurrier and Meyer), and enjoyed much success and glory for their combined 18 seasons in Gainesville. Outside of those 18 years, it’s been tough sledding with non-entities like Hall, Zook, Muschamp and McElwain. Hopefully UF can identify and hire one of those rare gems this time around.
Going to the Miami-Virginia Tech game tonight with my father-in-law, whose two great loves in life are Hurricane football and Donald Trump. Hopefully the game will be gripping enough to keep him from wanting to talk politics.
J R in WV
@raven:
True.
I can root for whoever has the ball, or doesn’t have the ball. WVU had a long history playing VaTech, and Miami, for that matter. But not so much anymore.
The Big 12: Texas, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, Kansas and K-state, etc. Va Tech and WVU played their opener, and Va Tech beat them after a great comeback attempt by WVU. Sometimes those work out well, and other times not so much. I miss beating Pitt.
I think the first live college football games I saw were WVU v Pitt and WVU v Penn State. Probably in the late 1950s, my dad was a huge fan a booster, on commttees for the J-School, etc. For a little kid it was a little over-whelming, really.
Later on, as WVU’s program got better, they were invited to bowl games, and starting in the late 1960s dad would take the whole family to wherever, so we’ve been to Gator Bowls, Peach Bowls, The Sugar Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, etc, which would have been a little batter if we had won more of them. But still a fan – which is funny, I’m a Marshall Grad, because we lived within driving distance of MU when I decided to use my GI Bill benefits. But once you’re a fan, that’s pretty much the end of that.
Although I’m not sure how the Penn State fans live with that scandal. I have no problem watching a Penn State game, any of them, and rooting for the other guys. Notre Dame, too!!
Duane
@Johnnybuck: Unbelievable that Missouri kicked Florida like that. Did the Gator’s have eleven players per side?
J R in WV
NC State is giving Clemson a little more than they can handle so far. They’re able to rush the ball, the Qback is passing 14 for 15 so far.
I would like NC State to beat Clemson, one of the teams a like to root against. Good looking rushing backs for NC State, good blocking, hard push by the ball carriers. One of our good friends ran cross country for NC state years ago, very tall woman.
J R in WV
@J R in WV:
Well that was then, and this is now. NC State hasn’t scored another point, and Clemson has. Darn. I’m going to sip my G&T and listen to the WVU – Iowa St game.
M. Bouffant
Army shut out Air Force (in Colo. Springs) first time in 300-ish games A.F. hasn’t scored.
Go Stanford!!
raven
Your SEC East Champion Georgia Bulldogs!!!