Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

Fight for a just cause, love your fellow man, live a good life.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

The National Guard is not Batman.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

“woke” is the new caravan.

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

Is trump is trying to break black America over his knee? signs point to ‘yes’.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

If ‘weird’ was the finish line, they ran through the tape and kept running.

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

Dear legacy media: you are not here to influence outcomes and policies you find desirable.

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Our Los Angeles jackals have picked a time and place:

The Balloon Brunch will begin at 11 AM on Sunday November 12 at Lucky Baldwin’s Trappists in Pasadena, on Colorado near Pasadena City College. (Not the one in Pasadena Old Town nor the one in Sierra Madre.) Be there or be square.

Anyone watching Maddow? Very disturbing segment on the destruction of the US State Department. Just when I was wrapping my head around the utter depravity of the Republican Party, which is making excuses for pedophile Roy Moore…

Anyhoo. Open thread.

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  2. 2.

    WaterGirl

    I’m sure Yutsano appreciates the clarification of the location! (That was Yutsano, right, who ended up at the wrong location?) It could happen to anyone.

  5. 5.

    Eric U.

    @danielx: the next scandal that the republican base will embrace involves pigfucking. I didn’t think they could shock me, but they will literally accept anything from a republican pol now.

  7. 7.

    WaterGirl

    Just want to say thank you to the person who recommended Stay Tuned with Preet. I am almost caught up on all the podcasts. He’s so easy to listen to – I love his voice – and I find his podcasts very interesting.

    The Death of Sergei Magnitsky (with Bill Browder) was the one I listened to last night. I vaguely knew the story but none of the details. Heartbreaking and enraging. The next time I hear “we were talking about adoptions” I might have to scream.

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: I am terrible about directions so I will never mock someone for going to the wrong place!

    Say, when is your trip? Or was it a whirlwind trip and I missed it?

  9. 9.

    dmsilev

    Will try to attend. I have some annoying work-related stuff due on Monday which might swamp me, but I’ll try.

  10. 10.

    Baud

    @WaterGirl: Next month.

    Watching Rachel. Realizing that we are ill served by the national media ignoring happenings in the states.

    ETA: Fixed cuz I can’t say no to WaterGirl.

  11. 11.

    WaterGirl

    @dmsilev: You should go. I am 2,000 miles away, so I won’t be there – just lobbying for the LA contingent because you’re one of those interesting BJ people I would want to meet.

  13. 13.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: autocorrect got you, but there’s still time to fix.

    edit: we are ill served by our media in myriad of ways! What is Rachel’s topic tonight?

  16. 16.

    dmsilev

    @WaterGirl: Will do my best. Went to one meet-up we had about a year or so ago, and since I didn’t run away screaming (or cause others to do the same), I’m game for trying it again.

  18. 18.

    patrick II

    Watching the Maddow segment about the State Department makes my speculation about Trump colluding to get elected to wondering if Trump isn’t an active Russian agent; and if not, how could you tell the difference?

  20. 20.

    chris

    It’s so hard to keep up and the Friday news dump is still to come. In the meantime this looks interesting. Kris Kobach and his buddies are going to court.

    ? Maine's Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap HAS FILED A BOMBSHELL LAWSUIT against Trump's Vote Fraud Commission (he's a *member*), alleging it's a partisan farse meant to exaggerate impacts of fraud. ?t.co/2lWu3LprZ8— DemWrite ???? (@DemWrite) 10 November 2017

  22. 22.

    satby

    @WaterGirl: maybe we should road trip out for one of the meetups one day! We need to get BellaQ and debbie to start from Ohio and drive west, picking us up enroute.
    Fucking Kindle messed up “meetup” but has no trouble with enroute!

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    @satby: Sounds great until I think about the fortune it would cost me to have someone watch all my guys while I was gone.

  24. 24.

    WaterGirl

    @chris: Great news!

    If I’m not mistaken, Matthew Dunlap might be the fellow from Maine that MomSense was (sort of) defending when people here were asking why a democrat would even participate in that farce of a commission.

  27. 27.

    LanceThruster

    I considered going to the last LA Meetup before I became personna non grata here, but I get enough hostility in my life already. Have fun, Juicers (sincerely)!

  32. 32.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @patrick II: it was pretty obvious when he gutted the state department and installed exxon’s ceo that it was all about eliminating any resistance to lifting sanctions on russia.

  33. 33.

    danielx

    three weeks ago it was 70 degrees, today 51 while doing leaves in front yard…..checking inventory of foot heater pacs for spousal and daughter units to take to high school football regional game tomorrow night, when it’s supposed to be 24 degrees by 8 pm.

  37. 37.

    lamh36

    Rachel going over all the craziness that has happened in Alabama…in past like 3-5 years. And yet STILL Alabama Republicans continually vote for this corrupt GOP pols…and now they will likely elect Roy Moore…Alabama reporter saying it is likely to increase Moore’s support. He’s already hearing folks on the ground saying this is a “Democrat party plot or worse a Mitch McConnell plot” against Roy Moore…

    SMH…Alabama Republicans…ya’ll DISGUST ME!

  38. 38.

    WaterGirl

    @amygdala: Not on twitter, but I just spent a few minutes looking at his recent tweets on-line. When I saw the tweet that Robert Mueller is also looking into democrats as part of his probe, I thought “good”. If there are any Russian-tied democrats in government, I want them gone, too.

    Pretty sure the Republicans who are defending the Pedophile Judge and Candidate for Senate Roy Moore would never think anything like that about their own party. For them it’s Party Before EVERYTHING.

  39. 39.

    pattonbt

    Does anyone see the possibility that the R’s will just decide to go for broke in the next 12 months and look pursue all their wet dream policies (i.e. massive tax cuts / social safety net cuts) regardless of political ramifications? Maybe emboldened by the losses in Virginia and say “well, we’re going to get our clocks cleaned anyway, might as well give our paymasters what they want so we can get jobs when we lose”. I could see the money backers basically telling them that “earn your pay now before you lose”.

  40. 40.

    chris

    @WaterGirl: I think you’re right about MomSense. My problem with Dunlap at the time was that apparently he didn’t google his new colleagues. Now I’m thinking he did and joined anyway.

  41. 41.

    WaterGirl

    @satby: Yeah, I was skeptical, but now can see that this is a very good thing. The man apparently had a plan. Who knew?

  42. 42.

    TS

    Watched Maddow on the state department followed by the story of Alabama politicians – hard to believe she is on the same network as Chris Hayes.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    @chris: Well, whether this was his plan all along or he started in good faith and saw what a travesty it was, either way, this is good news.

  44. 44.

    Mnemosyne

    Yay! Lucky Baldwin’s is a local chain that some people don’t realize is a chain, so I wanted to make sure people didn’t get confused and head for the better-known location in Old Town.

    And it’s Trappiste (with an “e”). I think they’re supposed to specialize in Belgian beers, but I’m not much of a beer drinker. They also have cider, mimosas with brunch, and a full bar if you roll that way at 11 am on a Sunday, or Peet’s Coffee if you don’t.

  46. 46.

    Mnemosyne

    @WaterGirl:

    When I saw the tweet that Robert Mueller is also looking into democrats as part of his probe, I thought “good”. If there are any Russian-tied democrats in government, I want them gone, too.

    Yup. We don’t need Russian moles operating from inside the Democratic Party. Both houses need to be thoroughly cleaned.

  47. 47.

    Betty Cracker

    @satby: Agreed. I was wrong about that — thought it made no sense for a Democrat to give the fraudulent fraud commission an imprimatur of respectability by participating. Turns out it was useful after all!

  52. 52.

    Yutsano

    @WaterGirl: It was me! Unfortunately this meet up is off by one week. I’ll be in LA from the 16th through the 20th. I also have no idea what my schedule will look while I’m down there so…no guarantees.

  53. 53.

    Gin & Tonic

    My son is in the first semester of his Master’s program at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. Not a lot of Trump administration fans among his classmates. Or faculty.

  55. 55.

    Gin & Tonic

    When I become god-emperor of Earth I will decree that every Web-page developer and administrator who puts an auto-play audio or video ad on their (or their employer’s page) be stripped naked, covered with honey and tied to stakes next to a fire-ant colony.

  64. 64.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: Glad to hear that. That was the only Dem name that I had seen, but I wasn’t sure since the tweet made it sound much more broad than that. Surprise! (not)

    Either way, my point still stands. If Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi or my Senator Dick Durbin were found to have ties, I would want them taken down, too. Just to be clear, I don’t think any of those 3 had ties, was just mentioning leadership positions as worst case.

  65. 65.

    WaterGirl

    @Yutsano: Sorry you have to miss this one, too! I felt bad that you missed the last one. Happy to see the clarity in location this time.

  69. 69.

    MomSense

    @chris:

    I tried to tell everyone here that MD is a good guy and trust worthy. I know we are all scared right now but we do have to find people we can trust to get through this.

  70. 70.

    WaterGirl

    @Gin & Tonic: I occasionally talk about when I am “benevolent dictator of the world”.

    After reading your post, I find myself wondering about the relative positions of “god-emperor of Earth” and “benevolent dictator of the world” on the organization chart.

  72. 72.

    lamh36

    Larry O describing the next segment coming after the break…”more on the politics of pedophilia”…you could see Lawrence disgust at the fact that it’s become a thing…

  73. 73.

    chris

    @MomSense: I remember and I agree.

    He must be a tough guy, I know I couldn’t spend any time in a room with that crew of racists and psychopaths.

  74. 74.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36: Up next: Republicans will be excusing serial killers and explaining why voting for a Republican serial killer is preferable to voting for a Democrat.

  75. 75.

    lamh36

    This thread form Daniel Dale, on the Republican officials in Alabama and what they are saying in defense of Roy Moore, WILL disgust you and should disgust ANY Alabamian…whether you have a child or not, but damnit…if you do…the idea that ANYONE would be okay with 32 year old Roy Moore doing what was alleged w/a 14 year old…ugh…

    Here’s Dale’s thread!

    twitter.com/ddale8/status/928730814350811147

  78. 78.

    Mike J

    Liz Gumbinner ‏Verified account @Mom101 9 minutes ago

    To recap FOX:
    39 year old Don Jr is “a good kid.”
    36 year old Kushner is too young looking to have done anything illegal.
    29 year old Papdopoulos made a youthful mistake.

    14 year old Leigh Corfman is a consenting adult.

  79. 79.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mike J: My grandmother always said that the men in our family matured much later than the women, but even she would find this ridiculous.

  80. 80.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mike J:

    Remember when Henry Hyde admitted he had an affair when he was “young and stupid” at the age of ~45? Or W’s numerous “youthful indiscretions” until he finally sobered up around age 40?

    But 12-year-old Tamir Rice should have known better than to play with a BB gun in public. ?

  81. 81.

    Aleta

    Actress Portia de Rossi has accused actor and producer Steven Seagal of sexual harassment.

    The Arrested Development actress, who is married to US talk show host Ellen DeGeneres, made the allegation in a tweet posted on Wednesday night.

    Several other women have come forward to accuse Mr Seagal of inappropriate behaviour and harassment, including the Good Wife actress Julianna Margulies and model Jenny McCarthy.

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    @Aleta:

    TBH, I don’t think that there will be any genuine surprises in who ends up getting accused of bad behavior. I think it’s mostly going to be people who have already made themselves notorious for being jerks.

    If there are credible accusations against, say, Tom Hanks, then I will be astounded. But I don’t think there will be.

  88. 88.

    WaterGirl

    Goodnight, all. Early bedtime for me – off to bed with Preet.

    edit: Jeff Flake will surely put a damper on things.

  89. 89.

    BBA

    @pattonbt: Virginia’s legislature is still too close to call. It’s possible the gerrymander holds, in which case the Republicans say “fuck it, we’re invincible.”

    Either way, it’s time to dig in. We need to get through the next 3 years, and we’re in this together.

  90. 90.

    JMG

    Should Moore be elected, which unhappily is still likely, I will not only vote for President but donate all my worldly goods and work barefoot as a volunteer in the snow, for the first Democratic woman Senator who goes over kicks him in the balls as he’s being sworn in. Hell, I’ll do the same for Collins or Murkowski,
    PS: Bonus points for spike heel use.

  92. 92.

    Fair Economist

    @pattonbt:

    Does anyone see the possibility that the R’s will just decide to go for broke in the next 12 months and look pursue all their wet dream policies (i.e. massive tax cuts / social safety net cuts) regardless of political ramifications?

    Yes. Certainly in the lame duck if not before.

  93. 93.

    TS

    And now O’Donnell is quoting “What Bernie Sanders said on Chris Hayes’ show” – ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh – as if once wasn’t too often

  96. 96.

    chris

    @JMG: Mr. Pierce:

    I may be entirely too cynical but I think, if Moore has the sand for it, he will follow this up with an explanation of how he had sinned, as all fallen humans do, but that Jesus has forgiven him and washed him in the blood of the Lamb, and now it’s time for him to bring his redeemed hindquarters to godless Washington to show the heathen the path to glory that he’s been blessed to follow. That might work. Link

    Hope he’s wrong but Republicans…

  97. 97.

    divF

    @chris:
    It times like these that Lily Tomlin’s words come back to us – “No matter how cynical you become, it’s never enough to keep up.”

  98. 98.

    Aleta

    @Mnemosyne: I guess Dustin Hoffman had a rep, but I didn’t know and had just admired his work in that Netflix flick w Ben Stiller, Emma T. It got me down a little. But fuck it.

  99. 99.

    Ruckus

    @chris:
    You know that all the god bothers will be OK with it as long as he asked forgiveness from jesus. That makes everything OK. Because thoughts and prayers are always answered. And in the affirmative.

  100. 100.

    Mnemosyne

    @chris:

    I keep saying that people need to go read Libby Anne’s blog Love Joy Feminism at Patheos to understand modern fundamentalists. She was raised by a fundie homeschooling family and understands how they think.

    I pretty much guarantee you that Moore will say that Jesus has forgiven him, so the real sinners are the women who refuse to forgive him as wholeheartedly as Jesus did. And the fundies will lap it up with a spoon.

  101. 101.

    Tom

    @JMG: You mean the same Collins and Murkowski who are voting to confirm the hideous judges that Trumps trying to shove through before he loses the Senate?

  103. 103.

    lamh36

    1. What multiple women are saying about Roy Moore puts his 2015 dissent in a child rape case in a different light
    twitter.com/juddlegum/status/928726026653487105

    4. That’s when the case came to Moore and the Alabama Supreme Court. 8 justices voted to reinstate the conviction. Moore was the only dissent.

    6. Moore essentially arguing that an adult (or near adult) having sex with a young teen is illegal but not necessarily rape unless there is affirmative evidence that the adult threatened or attacked the victim

  104. 104.

    Mnemosyne

    @Aleta:

    I don’t know how recent the accusations are against Hoffman, but he was pretty well known to be very difficult to work with into the 1980s. In fact, his character in Tootsie was partly based on his then-current rep.

    In Hollywood, if you hear that an actor is “demanding,” or difficult to work with, that usually means he’s an abusive asshole. It usually means something different if it’s a woman.

  105. 105.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    Conservatives always claim that their own sins are no big deal, but everyone else’s should be harshly punished. Remember how gambling addict William Bennett just loved to lecture everyone else about their bad behavior but, when called out for his gambling, insisted that it was okay because he’d never said that gambling was immoral?

  106. 106.

    Matt McIrvin

    @WaterGirl:

    Not on twitter, but I just spent a few minutes looking at his recent tweets on-line. When I saw the tweet that Robert Mueller is also looking into democrats as part of his probe, I thought “good”. If there are any Russian-tied democrats in government, I want them gone, too.

    I guess it’s a question of how much to trust Mueller. I’ve still sometimes got this twinge of suspicion that eventually this is going to miraculously transmogrify into yet another investigation of the crimes of Hillary Clinton, Russian mole who totally did Benghazi. But Mueller has been doing his job so far, so maybe he’s on the up and up.

  109. 109.

    Aleta

    @amygdala: Love the dry.
    The other day someone asked him on twitter
    “When will you interview Robert Mueller?”
    PB wrote:
    “He’s busy.”

  111. 111.

    opiejeanne

    @raven: In 1987 we bought a ’55 Chevy 4-door with a straight 6. Gunmetal gray, blue green interior, everything original and it had every extra bit of trim, but no radio. It was purchased by the wife of the pastor of a church of the Nazarene. 80,000 miles and very little wear anywhere. The upholstery was original and in good condition.
    I suspect she might have gunned it a bit when it was new but it wasn’t a hot car. Our son drove it in his last two years at HS.
    It was a tank.

  114. 114.

    lgerard

    Vice President Mike Pence on Thursday called new allegations that Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore sexually assaulted teenage girls “disturbing,” adding that if they are true, it would be grounds to disqualify Moore from the race.

    Mother has spoken

  115. 115.

    No Drought No More

    Maddow could have devoted an entire segment to the look of absolute nausea on the faces on McConnell and Graham tonight. Barring reactions in the wake of political assassinations, I honestly can’t recall any congressional republican or democratic politicians ever looking as stricken as those two did tonight. Not in all my life.

    Which makes my heart soar like an eagle. Save for fairly adjudicating at Trump’s impeachment trial, every single move the democratic party makes from this point on should be made with a single goal uppermost in mind: the electoral annihilation of today’s republican party as a national force in our politics.

  118. 118.

    lgerard

    @No Drought No More:

    Maddow could have devoted an entire segment to the look of absolute nausea on the faces on McConnell and Graham tonight

    Evidently Moore made quite an impression when he visited the Senate last week

  120. 120.

    NotMax

    Quelle surprise.

    One Tax Loophole Untouched So Far: The Trump Golf-Course Break
    [snip]
    Here’s how it works: a golf-course owner agrees to restrict development on his or her property in perpetuity, which is known as creating a conservation easement, and to donate that easement to either a land trust or a local government. He or she can continue to own the golf course.

    The property owner then gets two appraisals: one for the value of the property if it were sold on the market to the highest bidder without any restrictions on development, such as a homebuilder that would subdivide it, and the other for the property with the easement intact. The difference between those two values can be deducted from the golf course owner’s income for tax purposes.

    The laws allowing for conservation easements were meant to protect forests, farmland and other open space for the benefit of the public. Golf courses are just one of many types of land that use the easements.

    “For what I see and hear about golf easements, 98 percent of the time it’s not what the tax code was intended to provide a benefit for,” said Steve Small, a tax lawyer who worked in the chief counsel’s office at the Internal Revenue Service from 1978 to 1982 and wrote regulations on conservation easements.
    [snip]
    But in practice, the deductions that land owners take for golf courses are enormous compared with the conservation value, said Ruth Madrigal, a tax lawyer who worked on conservation easements for the U.S. Treasury department during the Obama administration. A developer can build homes and a nearby golf course, get a conservation easement on the links and claim a deduction that can pay for the entire development, she said. Source

  122. 122.

    danielx

    @No Drought No More:

    Maddow could have devoted an entire segment to the look of absolute nausea on the faces on McConnell and Graham tonight. Barring reactions in the wake of political assassinations, I honestly can’t recall any congressional republican or democratic politicians ever looking as stricken as those two did tonight. Not in all my life.

    Can’t say I’m drowning in schadenfreude right now, exactly – it’s more like wallowing.

    Which is not to make light of what happened to the women involved, particularly since they are going to be subjected to indignities severe – again. Sure as the day is shortening, every one of those women is already being ridiculed and reviled in various wingnut organs as I type these words; I’d bet money it. Here’s hoping these women have have lots of support in every way.

  123. 123.

    lgerard

    @opiejeanne:

    I am also enjoying the hand waving religious types claiming Moore couldn’t possibly have done this because it would be “out of character”

    Sorry Being weird about sex is his character

  124. 124.

    Ruckus

    @NotMax:
    It is of course how they will be assured that he will sign the piece of shit. There is a clause in the bill that directly benefits drumpf.

  125. 125.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @opiejeanne: I don’t think that is fair. Lawyers automatically append things like alleged, allegedly, “if they are true,” and other such like phrases. They do it for a reason. The first info that comes out is never complete.

    If anyone wants to interpret this as a pro-Moore comment, they can fuck right off.

  126. 126.

    opiejeanne

    @Omnes Omnibus: of course we won’t interpret it as pro-Moore.
    I think they’re really leaning hard on that phrase.
    I understand innocent until proven guilty but I am prejudiced against Moore. I am primed to believe the worst about him, partly because I’m a woman and partly because I have daughters.
    He’s been on my radar for years.

  129. 129.

    Calouste

    @WaterGirl: Would Mueller be looking into Democrats, or into people who worked or volunteered for a campaign for the Democratic nomination for President?

  130. 130.

    LanceThruster

    @satby

    What you consider ‘trolling’ I consider simply my take on things. It’s actually a sign of respect to speak openly and honestly to others. Wouldn’t want to cause any hiccups in the groupthink anyway. I think the most dissention I’ve seen here was over John’s tirade against pitbulls? when Tunch was tragically killed. Politically, other than when John used to be a Republican, being in anything other than lockstep with the group causes too much handwringing.

    Always loved Bill in Glendale’s photos though, and I remember some really awesome exchanges with some vets here, particularly as I have no military experience myself. Like I said…enjoy.

  133. 133.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @LanceThruster: Please kindly fuck off you sanctimonious, preening, conspiracy nutjob. Why don’t you join a nice Truther forum where you can talk about how steel couldn’t possibly be melted by jet fuel and Bush did 9/11. Everybody remembers your breakdown a month back or so.

  138. 138.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @LanceThruster: Oh, really? You don’t member going full metal Truther on us? Guess the anti-psychotics must have kicked in. Glad you got the help you needed. I don’t mind entertaining opposing views. Just not when they’re: 1. In bad faith, 2. crazy, 3. factually incorrect, or 4. morally disgusting.

    You fall into a combination of 1 thru 3.

  139. 139.

    LanceThruster

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    I remember I brought up rejecting the official narrative as consistent with the facts. Hillary advocates are deflecting with a whole host of conspiracy theories, but the ones actually panning out is her thumb on the DNC scale for the primaries and her money laundering of campaign funds during same. These are facts, your temper tantrums notwithstanding.

  140. 140.

    LanceThruster

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Here’s your opportunity to dispel the controversy. Be sure to show your work. It’s just simple physics and many professionals in a variety of related fields (architects, engineers, pilots, etc.) are not satisfied with the official explanations. Also listening to a program right now where former CIA analyst Ray McGovern is debunking the Russian hacking claims. His most telling point is if it (the alleged hacking) was truly ‘an act of war’ as claimed, why weren’t the DNC servers confiscated for forensic investigation? Seems quite the oversight.

  141. 141.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @LanceThruster:
    Here’s a fucking clue: Hillary doesn’t matter anymore. Nobody cares. Virginia proved that. And anyway, how were the primaries rigged? Explain the mechanism. The elections are run by the states and several states Ebil Hitlerly won were run by GOP SOS. Did they all collude with the DNC? I’m not even going to address the money laundering bullshit.

    I’m ready to move on, take back our country from the traitorous GOP, put Putin in his place, and build a better world. Are you?

  142. 142.

    Mnemosyne

    @LanceThruster:

    her thumb on the DNC scale for the primaries

    An allegation that has now been proven false since Donna Brazile has admitted she mixed up the 2015 and 2016 agreements.

    her money laundering of campaign funds during same

    Please detail Hillary’s “money laundering.” Please note that, as with the Manafort indictments, a charge of money laundering requires (a) illegal income (as with Manafort’s payments from Russia that the person then attempts to conceal by (b) making oversize payments to companies that are in on the laundering.

    So, what illegal income did Hillary receive, where did that illegal income come from, and what entities did she launder the money through? Hint: “the Clinton Foundation”‘ and/or “the DNC” are inoperative answers because neither organization’s legally required financial filings show any evidence of money laundering activity. You can go get both organizations’ financial statements and read them for yourself, if you care to get actual facts and not just parrot what you saw on Russia Tuday.

  144. 144.

    LanceThruster

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    As Princiotta (whose NYFD relative died on 9/11) points out –

    MY QUESTION TO YOU:
    What is Your source for the energy required
    to produce these documented, physical, results?

    PLEASE NOTE:
    If you hold to the opinion that “… the airplane … the jet fuel … the tremendous heat … the loss of strength … the tube in a tube construction … the pancake effect … etc”., and you hold to this position because somebody told you so, and if you are not in a profession that provides you the tools to work out this physics problem, then it may be that all you offer is your (someone’s) opinion.

    —-

    You’re the one flapping your yap about what’s crazy. Crunch the numbers.

  146. 146.

    Mnemosyne

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    So I clicked on Misha’s page.

    Apparently no one doing that “science” has ever heard of cremation, since they keep referring to the bodies that were destroyed by the fire as having been “pulverized”:

    Bodies of the victims were broken into bits and pieces smaller than 1/4 of an inch.

    Apparently not a single person who created that website has ever had a loved one’s body be cremated after their death since they don’t seem to realize that they’re describing a human body that has been destroyed by fire.

  147. 147.

    LanceThruster

    @Mnemosyne:

    Taibbi nailed it (though I don’t agree with all his assertions). The laundering had to do with the bundling of donations for the DNC, that went straight to her campaign to be doled out as she saw fit (quite a lot of control over superdelegates). If I find the article detailing the particulars, I’ll post the link…but you’re a lost cause. You pretty much just posture for show…but you’re nothing if not persistent. Like a little dog when it gets ahold of your pants cuff.

  151. 151.

    LanceThruster

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Despise Trump, and will continue to work against him and the GOP agenda. But Hillary’s ‘Not Trump So My Turn’ is at the heart of where we are today. You talk a lot of shit for someone supposedly looking to build bridges. ‘Blue no matter who’ would have worked with Bernie (unless Clintonites were lying). Bernie supporters were adamant about Clinton’s shortcomings, even more so after the way they were treated in the primaries. Another neoliberal could again lose to Trump. Schumer’s words about picking up moderate Republicans should haunt every Dem, yet he’s still in a position of power.

  153. 153.

    J R in WV

    @JMG:

    They should take a stout oak cane and after they kick him, beat him with the cane in old style til he confesses and resigns!

    ETA. I’m dead serious, too! I’m sick of these monsters getting away with their crimes against our nation!

  155. 155.

    Mnemosyne

    @LanceThruster:

    The laundering had to do with the bundling of donations for the DNC, that went straight to her campaign to be doled out as she saw fit (quite a lot of control over superdelegates).

    That’s not money laundering, unless you’ve suddenly decided to re-define campaign fundraising that every presidential candidate on both sides has done for 30+ years as “money laundering.”

    Oh, who am I kidding? The entire essence of the Clinton Rules is to decide that the Clintons are uniquely evil for doing things that every other politician does. And morons like you fall for it every. single. time.

    @LanceThruster:

    The Twin Towers were not crematoriums.

    So we’re now pretending that there was no fire at all at the Twin Towers? The people who leaped from the windows rather than burn to death actually did it just for giggles?

    Jet fuel burns at 1200 degrees but, since there was additional fuel for the fire in the building (carpets, cubicles, wood, etc), the fire burned up to 1800 degrees in places. That’s more than enough to burn a human body down to small chunks. When a person is cremated, the mortuary then takes those chunks and grinds them down to the ashes you end up receiving.

    Your “experts” are freaking morons who don’t understand how fire works, FFS.

  156. 156.

    Mnemosyne

    @LanceThruster:

    The laundering had to do with the bundling of donations for the DNC, that went straight to her campaign to be doled out as she saw fit (quite a lot of control over superdelegates).

    That’s.
    Not.
    What.
    Money.
    Laundering.
    Is.

    Dudes at Politico made up a definition, claimed that completely normal behavior by the Clinton campaign was “essentially … money-laundering” and you fucking morons took Politico at their word.

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