Worst David Brooks column ever:
In 1982, Kelly Harrison Thorp was working as a hostess at the Red Lobster restaurant in Gadsden. She was 17 years old and a high school senior.
One day Roy Moore came into the restaurant, and she recognized him.
“He was a public figure in this small town,” she said of Moore, who at the time was in his early 30s and the deputy district attorney for Etowah County. Later that year he would mount an unsuccessful campaign for circuit court judge.
Thorp said Moore asked her if she’d go out with him sometime.
“I just kind of said, ‘Do you know how old I am?'” she recalled.
“And he said, ‘Yeah. I go out with girls your age all the time.'”
Trentrunner
The hottest take today is that since we’re “reckoning” with Bill Clinton’s predations, we must now…
…wait for it…
Reckon with Hillary’s complicity.
(Caitlin Flanagan, if anyone cares.)
hellslittlestangel
As someone who wants to see Doug Jones win in Alabama, I wish women would stop coming forward about creepy Roy Moore — until around December 8th.
clay
@hellslittlestangel:Conversely, I wish there to be a new woman coming forward every day from now until election day.
EDIT: Not that I want Moore to have that many victims, but since he likely does…
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
Alternate blog post title: She was no Moore than a baby then.
TenguPhule
2 Moore victims.
He destroys their lives
Mnemosyne
@Trentrunner:
Caitlin Flanagan is a misogynist asshole and always has been. And, yes, I realize she’s a woman. Women can be misogynists, too.
TenguPhule
@clay: Be careful what you wish for. See @5.
schrodingers_cat
What is the age difference between Brooksie and his new bride?
Mnemosyne
@hellslittlestangel:
I’m with clay. You seem to think that there’s a limited supply of women that Moore hit on when they were underage. I’m pretty sure the number approaches infinity, so we won’t run out before Election Day.
I’m also still hoping we find out why Moore suddenly dropped everything and fled to Australia around this same time. I suspect a shotgun wedding was in the offing and he was fleeing that.
Adam L Silverman
Given Brooks’ oeuvre I’m surprised he didn’t set this in an Applebys, right next to the salad bar.
Doug!
@Mnemosyne:
In fairness, I think she hates men too.
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
No way. To be a David Brooks column, it would have to have something about how a 17-year-old did something bad once, so really everyone’s equally wrong.
hellslittlestangel
@Mnemosyne: I’m not worried about running out of revelations, I’m worried about Moore being forced to drop out, giving Alabama an excuse to reschedule the election.
Baud
@Trentrunner: Once again, Hillary as a litmus test for judging people works astonishingly well.
Trentrunner
Latest Moore victim (WaPo): He called me at my high school:
Moore (on phone): What are you doing?
Girl: I’m in Trig class!
(Actual conversation.)
Doug!
@Adam L Silverman:
Me too.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
Bernie Bernstein strikes again! Will this degenerate Jew stop at nothing to destroy this God-fearing man!?
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat: Substantial.
Baud
At this rate, how long before we find out Moore had an email server?
Mnemosyne
@Doug!:
She envies men, but she hates women.
hellslittlestangel
For fuck’s sake, it’s not a David Brooks column. Doesn’t anybody understand sarcasm? Doesn’t anybody know how to click on a link?
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Eventually someone in Texas will come out and make an accusation from his brief stop there when he was on the way to Australia from Alabama. And I’m sure there are some women in Australia who are working up the courage to come out and explain how Moore destroyed their childhoods and lives as well. The easiest way to be a successful serial offender, whether rape, arson, or murder is to do it as a traveler. It is much, much harder, even with 21st century technology, to put investigative leads together across a geographically diverse set of jurisdictions.
RobertDSC-Mac Mini
It’s a wonder he is even alive given how everyone knew he was a predator. How many fathers wished they could take him out?
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman: I would think women living in Australia would less to fear than ones living deep red Alabama.
TenguPhule
@Baud: What are the odds its AOL?
Adam L Silverman
@Trentrunner: Link?
TenguPhule
@RobertDSC-Mac Mini:
Notice he made a point of picking girls who didn’t have fathers a lot.
Gin & Tonic
@hellslittlestangel:
It wasn’t written using the sarcasm font, so how was anyone supposed to know?
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: this is of course not a quote from a David Brooks column.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: Its mine at @5.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: In Hillary Clinton’s basement towel closet.
Ken
@Baud: Yet another reason Moore would never sue any of these people, or do anything that would lead to discovery. Can you imagine what a look at his e-mails, phone calls, web browsing history, and computer files might turn up?
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Who doesn’t?//
Trentrunner
@Adam L Silverman: Front page of WaPo, now
TenguPhule
@Ken: Too old for those.
But I bet you dollars to donuts that a search warrant would probably turn up stacks of incriminating old photos.
He seems like the kind of predator that would prize trophies of his victims.
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: It is less fearing political reprisal. Rather it is about dredging up past traumas. Exposing yourself in regard to when you were most vulnerable. Telling the people you care about and who care about you this happened when you’d been keeping it quiet all this time. And, of course, being dumped on by all the usual suspects.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: I know, I was being a smartass in regard to how Doug framed it.
Trentrunner
More Moore, this time with another sexual assault:
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Oh, I’m sure there will be. But I’m betting that his precipitous flight was because he impregnated an underage girl and was fleeing a shotgun wedding.
I may ruin some people’s illusions here, but Charlie Chaplin was also a notorious hebephile. His second wife was 15 years old when they fled to Mexico to get married one step ahead of the police. The famous quote he gave to the reporters on the train was, “Well, boys, it won’t last, but it’s better than the penitentiary.”
Baud
Doug, you could also have gone with this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlN3oEjMpUQ
trollhattan
@Trentrunner:
Did he call the school office and have them fetch her? What decade are we talking about here–he was damn old before every HSer carried a phone.
OK, see the expanded story upthread.
I need a shower.
Adam L Silverman
@Adam L Silverman: Now I’m tracking.
Steeplejack
@Adam L Silverman:
It’s in the Washington Post story linked by TenguPhule above.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodingers_cat:
He is 23 years older than his bride.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: I’m having a hard time discerning tone on this thread, even if I squint at it…
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: That’s exactly what he did. Read the story.
Mary G
@Trentrunner: The details in that story about the friends who worked at Sears, and the one at the cosmetic counter could see Moore coming and tell the other to hide, seem extremely believable, and then calling her at school to avoid the strict dad is super creepy.
hellslittlestangel
@TenguPhule: More likely it’s an old coin-operated condom dispenser with “EMAIL SEVRER” scrawled across the front.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
It’s not actually a Bobo column. It’s a local Alabama writer.
Peale
@Trentrunner: the sad thing about Caitlin Flanagan is that of the anti-Hillary at every turn women, she’s not ever interesting enough to be Tumbrel worthy. So she’ll probably skate through the Revolution.
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne:
If this hypothetical girl kept the baby, a DNA test and the age of the child now could clarify things quite a bit. Even for the deniers.
schrodingers_cat
@SiubhanDuinne: Eewww. Thanks.
I have been collecting data on prominent Rs and their young wives
Newtie and wife #3
T and wife #3
Mnuchie and Linton
Brooksie and his wife
cokane
@Trentrunner: god that article was shite, got snagged into reading after the amazing article on Andrew Anglin. At one point Flanagan points out that the allegations are credible against Clinton because they’re similar. Right after she writes that Broadrick accused Clinton of a savagely violent rape while Willey and Jones only accused Clinton of exposure and rubbing his dick against her.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne: So not Bobo but Bubba.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: Mid to late 70s.
eemom
I have to say that the batshit crazy, gratuitous self-flagellation of the Clinton “confessors” on the left has surprised even me. Coming as it does not only from obvious worthless hacks like Yglesias (Clinton should have resigned, braaaaawk) but Rude Pundit, who I deeply respect.
Uh, folks? Every atom of that shit was beaten like a million poor dead rented mules by Starr & Co. (i.e., the infinite gazillions of the republican Clinton-smashing machine) — and like everything else they tried, it turned up JACK SHIT.
eta: Perhaps I should elaborate. The so called “rape” allegations were debunked out the wazoo, including by the accuser. Everything else involved consenting women over the age of consent. So the relevance to Moore is WHAT, exactly??
mad citizen
“I’m in trig class” made me laugh. What a f&%$ing creep!
What is the procedure for expelling a state? Or at least stop the interwebs from penetrating Alabama? The state is like an uncontacted tribe that doesn’t want outside intervention.
I just keep having Neil Young’s song in my mind:
Oh Alabama
Can I see you
And shake your hand
Make friends down in Alabama
I’m from a new land
I come to you
And see all this ruin
What are you doing Alabama?
You got the rest of the Union
To help you along
What’s going wrong?
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: No worries.
Major Major Major Major
@WaterGirl: ah, but Jesus forgives. Let he who has not impregnated an underage girl, flamed out of the military, and moved to Australia cast the first stone.
Baud
@eemom: That, plus we’ve already hashed over all that and neither Bill nor Hillary will ever be running for office again.
trollhattan
Modern southern sheriffin’
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: No! Worries!
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Got my rock right here.
Doug!
@eemom:
I have to say that the batshit crazy, gratuitous self-flagellation of the Clinton “confessors” on the left has surprised even me. Coming as it does not only from obvious worthless hacks like Yglesias (Clinton should have resigned, braaaaawk) but Rude Pundit, who I deeply respect.
I agree
schrodingers_cat
This Moore is quite the cradle snatcher. I predict many more women than we will ever know in his past.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: I know. I was being a smartass playing off of how Doug framed the post with the reference to Bobo.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
I don’t know why I didn’t think of that. That makes a lot of sense.
schrodingers_cat
@Doug!: There were a bunch of commenters too, lamenting Clinton and his misdeeds. Brainwashing by the media works.
JanieM
@Baud: LOL. Great comment.
mike in dc
Off topic: Charles Manson hospitalized and near death.
trollhattan
@mad citizen:
Since Friday I’ve had the Dead’s “Alabama Getaway” earworming me relentlessly, I suppose because I wish they would.
Baud
@mike in dc: Reality finally caught up to his insanity.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: If that was the case he never would have gone back, let alone sought prominence. He didn’t leave because he left an impregnated girl behind. He left for some other reason. Maybe he thought the cops were on to him and he had to escape. Or he knew he had to service his compulsion, but was smart enough to realize he couldn’t do it near home anymore.
trollhattan
@mike in dc:
So not a potential Pence replacement?
Manson has been a part of the zeitgeist basically my entire life.
JPL
@mike in dc: not sad just sayin
Mnemosyne
@eemom:
There was actually someone here saying that Starr didn’t pursue the rape allegations against Bill Clinton because Starr didn’t think they were important.
Please don’t injure yourself when you slap your forehead.
RSR
I would have gone with Winger, but that’s really @Atrios’ job.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
We’ll have to wait and see. It wouldn’t be the first time that adoption solved someone’s dirty little secret.
eemom
@mike in dc:
oh hell, they’ve said that before. He can’t die, cuz he’s the Devil. Just like Cheney.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
Got that upon further scrolling.
Baud
@RSR: I got your back at # 40.
hellslittlestangel
@mike in dc: Charles Manson hospitalized and near death.
What a shame. I heard he was slated to succeed Jefferson Sessions at DOJ.
trollhattan
@Doug!:
Septa Unella could march the naked Clintons down Pennsylvania Ave at noon chanting “Shame!” and it wouldn’t be enough. Fuck all of them, do they place no value on what those two have done for the nation?
No Drought No More
Sorry, Doug, there’s only one person fit to cite a “worst column” by David Brooks, and His Name Is Driftglass.
That’s capitalized because it would be a great title for a surfing movie (perhaps starring Paulie Schorr).
Lizzy L
@eemom: None of these people, on the right or left, will be satisfied until and unless Bill Clinton drops dead of a heart attack and Hillary Clinton goes to jail. They are deranged.
About Moore: I don’t want him to withdraw. I want him to LOSE. I want the voters to reject the slimy predatory bastard. And if they don’t — well, he’s the Republicans’ problem, yanno. Moar popcorn.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
:-)
Trentrunner
You know what? Fuck it! OK, yes, let’s “reckon” with Bill Clinton.
But only if
ONLY IF
We fucking “reckon” with Clarence Thomas.
You hear me, Joe “Grabbyhands” Biden?
sukabi
@Trentrunner: how long ago was that interaction? Couldn’t have been in the 70’s, 80’s, or even most of the 90’s…kids didn’t have access to cellphones till late 90’s – 2000’s…
If he’s been perving on kids for the last 40 years there are enough victims to fill the news cycle every day of the next 3 years.
chris
In other asshole tag news, looks like uday and Qusay got what they wanted. Lion and elephant trophies are legal again in the USA.
http://www.newsweek.com/hunting-african-animals-legal-us-trump-712988
I’ve no doubt that it’s because Obama banned the practice in 2014. Please, America, make it stop!
lgerard
I wish Hannity would hurry up and tell trump what to do about Moore
Adam L Silverman
@sukabi: Late 70s. He called the school office and had them yank her out of class so he could ask her out.
Sab
@Mnemosyne: I love The Atlantic magazine, but what is it with them hiring nitwit women. Molly Bloom is up to their male standards, but Caitlin Flanagan and McMegan are downright embarrassing to the female gender.
WaterGirl
@Adam L Silverman: Please tell me this is snark.
schrodingers_cat
@Adam L Silverman: Why would the school office do that. They should have hung up on that creep.
Adam L Silverman
@WaterGirl: No it is not. Check the link Trentrunner posted in comment 5.
randy khan
Just flipped past Hannity in my hotel room. You will be shocked, shocked to discover that he was talking about Hillary and Bill.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat: “Hi, this is Deputy District Attorney Roy Moore. I need to speak with So and So Such and Such right now. Would you please get her and bring her to the phone. Thanks. I’ll wait.”
Any other questions?
sukabi
@Adam L Silverman: yeah, found the link further down the thread…tried to edit my comment, didn’t work.
Before this is over they’ll have found bodies buried in his backyard.
Steeplejack
@sukabi:
It was autumn of 1977. She got summoned to the school office to take the call.
Adam L Silverman
@randy khan:
Get out of their now!!! You don’t want to be in your hotel room if Hannity is holed up in there!
Origuy
Edited because already answered.
I’m seeing deplorables on Twitter talking about “the yearbook hoax” as though the yearbook story had been debunked. All I’ve found is Moore’s attorney wanting to have it looked at.
Jeffro
@randy khan: Fox News dot com seems to have turned the corner and they are running a big anti-Moore headline, Ivanka’s comments, etc etc.
Of course, the next most prominent story is the UCLA shoplifters thanking Trumpov for saving their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor by getting them home from China. Like that wasn’t an easy call on China’s part with this simpleton…for the low low price of 3 college shoplifters, he’ll probably give them a couple of our aircraft carriers…
martian
@Mnemosyne:
**WARNING**
**FODDER FOR NEARLY BASELESS SPECULATION**
This info is from a Washington Post article.
This info is from an AL.com article.
It’s a bit odd to me that an apparent patriarchal, virgin hunter married a divorced woman with a child. So. I’m still looking for the exact or a closer approximate date for when Moore skedaddled out of Alabama in ’83. I believe the oldest daughter is Heather. I’m also looking for her date of birth. It seems possible from Moore’s account that he was involved in the divorce case in some legal capacity, just going by the dates. No proof, though. Anybody have a lead?
**Somebody please delete if I’m way out of bounds with this post.**
Adam L Silverman
hellslittlestangel
“Yes, sir. [places phone on mute]. It’s the DA, looking for some jailbait. Go fetch So and So.”
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Tell me that’s an official campaign ad.
hellslittlestangel
@sukabi: Before this is over they’ll have found bodies buried in his backyard.
Provocatively dressed bodies. He had no idea they were still alive when he killed them. And they were asking for it.
Jeffro
@chris: David Frum is quietly trolling Uday and Qusay by retweeting a National Geographic article about elephants mourning their dead.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: I have no idea. Saw it and reckoned it was on topic for this post.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman: NO WAY! That cannot be a real Doug Jones ad. But I wish it was.
Adam L Silverman
@hellslittlestangel: Pretty much.
Aleta
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Actually I think you’re right– It’s harder to speak out in his home state, home town, and more reprisals (from all over )if you’re in Alabama than in Australia. Locals and conservatives will blame you if a Dem wins, and the TV commentary won’t end with the election if that happens. Conservatives on Fox (and even PBS I think) have already said they’d rather Moore than a Dem. I’d like to know if any of these women are getting death threats or other harassment. I doubt that would happen in Australia because an election isn’t at stake.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: I have no idea. I saw it and reckoned it was on topic for this post.
PsiFighter37
@Adam L Silverman: That’s grade-A Twitter shade.
Still hard to believe that Democrats, as feckless as we’ve been since last year’s election, are potentially going to win an Alabama Senate race in a blowout(!!!). I know there are extenuating circumstances, but that’s fucking crazy.
Jay S
@Mnemosyne: Or abortion or miscarriage. But I am with Adam on this. Something that took a couple of years to cool off would be a better explanation.
Davebo
@schrodingers_cat: 23 years
Corner Stone
@Jeffro: Not a chance. Doug Jones is playing this one tight to the vest. Keeping out of the muck and keeping it local.
Thoughtful David
@mad citizen:
I LOLed.
I am so going to steal that.
Baud
@PsiFighter37: Not hard to believe at all since we haven’t been feckless.
Baud
@Corner Stone: Agreed. As much as I’d love it to be real, it’s not the smart play.
Barbara
@Sab: I didn’t realize until after quite some time that Caitlin Flanagan is the daughter of Thomas Flanagan, the former chairman of the UCB Department of English, until he became famous as an author of the Tenants of Time series of novels about Irish history. It made me think that she networked her way into various publishing gigs once upon a time when her father was a big deal. I have never been able to come up with another explanation for why she gets published so often. The last thing I read by CF was a reminiscence of the time Joan Didion came to speak at UCB. It was actually fun to read, until Flanagan tried to sum up Didion’s appeal to women. Then it became the usual Flanagan dross, a social critique bathed in banality.
Trentrunner
Good news:
The GOP is really going all in with the pedo-crazy.
raven
Of all things the city is testing locations for 4th of July fireworks and I was about to head for the bunker!!!
Barbara
@Jay S: Right, maybe an actual rape with an actual threat of being reported. Or maybe a super pissed off football player boyfriend.
randy khan
@Adam L Silverman:
LOL.
Too late to edit to sneak “on the TV,” isn’t it?
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: What’s the antonym of “feckless”?
Baud
@Gin & Tonic: “Fuck you.”
Mary G
@PsiFighter37: I saw somewhere today that the poll showing Jones way ahead is ‘fake news’ put out by Mitch McConnell to panic Alabama Republicans into dumping Judge Pedo and run somebody, anybody, else.
Aleta
@chris: you gotta be kidding me. those fuckers.
A altered animation (about a minute and a half):
THE LION KING WITHOUT ANIMALS by Studio Smack
https://vimeo.com/82199420
Jeffro
@Corner Stone: Kind of…Northamizing, as it were.
scuffletuffle
@trollhattan: i would so put that sticker on my car….i wonder where they got it
Chip Daniels
I didn’t know Moore went to Australia.
So now I gotta ask…did he happen to go to Bangkok?
Miss Bianca
@mike in dc: Couldn’t be happening to a nicer guy.
(says MB, who read “Helter Skelter” at waaaayyyy too young an age)
Baud
@Mary G: I actually wouldn’t put it past ole Mitch to do that.
raven
@Chip Daniels: I went to Sydney on R&R and there were pretty strict protocols, know what I mean?
eta, Oh, I didn’t realize he moved there.
Adam L Silverman
@PsiFighter37: Don’t count your Senate seats before they’ve hatched. Don’t get me wrong, I think Jones is running as hard as he can. And doing the right things and trying to capitalize on the opportunity, but this is Alabama.
Davebo
@Mary G: That was Nate Silver’s take on twitter.
Dunno though. Could backfire.
Corner Stone
@Jeffro: Elections may come and go. But my Northams remain elected.
Omnes Omnibus
Cold open from 11/11 SNL.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Thank you for saving me the trouble.
Adam L Silverman
@randy khan: Pretty much.
Jeffro
@Chip Daniels:
Maybe ask Rush? He would know.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Anti-feckless.
Aleta
Is there a virus that can infect cat’s vocal cords? One cat lost her voice (sounded like a sqeaker toy caught in her throat); it’s still gone, affects her growl, everything; and now the other one. They’re about the same age — 11 and 12.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Antife?
Adam L Silverman
@Chip Daniels: It is an interesting question. Given that he served in Vietnam, it is probably safe to assume he knew about the region’s reputation for sex tourism of a variety of flavors.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus: Perfect.
Davebo
What’s moore surprising?
That he hit on a girl that had obviously finished Algebra 1?
Or that they teach Trig in Alabama?
hellslittlestangel
@Trentrunner: That is GREAT news.
And speaking of Republican insanity, this is a real WaPo headline:
Senate Republicans look to Trump to restore order amid Alabama upheaval
Jay S
@Aleta: Sure, it happened to one of my wife’s cats ages ago. No voice for quite a while.
Baud
@hellslittlestangel: What could possibly go wrong?
Adam L Silverman
@Davebo: That they teach trig in Alabama. If this happened in Mississippi, stating one was taking trig would clearly invalidate the credibility of the person stating it.
Aleta
@hellslittlestangel: Law and order, coming soon to an election near you.
Aleta
@Jay S: It came back?
chris
@Aleta: That’s… depressing. Sadly, I think that day is coming.
Davebo
@Adam L Silverman: Hey now! My grandfather was a superintendent of schools in Mississippi and his tutoring was the only reason I made it through trig!
Then again, I could totally see Trenton Garmon making that argument in Alabama.
Duane
@eemom: The conservatives attack the Clintons, trying to distract from Trump, and now Moore. It’s pathetic, but it’s all they got. Rather like Obama’s birth certificate. Well, they do have the nerve to peddle their stupidity, and gullible supporters who will believe anything.
“Hey, signed up for Trumpcare yet? I told you he’d fix Obama’s mess.”
Jay S
@Aleta: Yes after 4-5 days as she remembers it. But it was probably 4 decades ago.
jl
Moore off and grabbed asses on people he barely knew, with no warning, not even knowing if there would be a pay off. That is definitely ‘prospecting’
Sounds to me like Moore was just a typical nice young man looking for true love, but he was tempted into ‘prospecting’ and then unwittingly crossed a moral line. Why aren’t we blaming liberals for creating a morally ambiguous culture of sexual permissiveness that tempts nice young men to morally ambiguous frames of mind, and they can do questionable things unwittingly?
Brooks would also wonder that liberal permissiveness allows young men and even younger girls to mingle at places like Red Lobster, where eating shellfish overheats the sanguine humors and dampens the phlegmatic that can keep them under control. Brooks has read up on the science of this, you know.
Millard Filmore
[crap. I botched the comment]
Corner Stone
There was never any chance the AL GOP was going to vote to do anything about Roy Moore being on the ballot.
mike in dc
AL GOP Steering Committee takes no action on Roy Moore.
The Lodger
@Major Major Major Major: “…the good Lord loves the mall.”
Adam L Silverman
@Davebo: I am so sorry to read that your grandfather had to live in a failed state.
chris
@scuffletuffle: I’ll bet that sticker looks like this. Found on Imgur a while back.
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major:
I have a rock.
Adam L Silverman
@The Lodger: Blessed are the hot pretzel makers, for they shall inherit a kiosk right outside Spencer’s Gifts.
jl
Moore can’t do the confess and repent routine because no statute of limitations on molesting underage people in AL. And that is why he had to vehemently walk back his start at an admission a day after he made it.
Davebo
@Adam L Silverman: Only till the 1930’s. He got out when they quit paying teachers.
hellslittlestangel
@Aleta: Meanwhile, in reality-based journalism, a real headline from The Onion;
Staffers Frantically Trying To Restore Chaos To White House Before Trump Returns From Asia Trip
Adam L Silverman
@Davebo: It was either that or join the underground resistance movement.
jonas
@WaterGirl<
Of course dollars to donuts says he paid for an abortion.
Davebo
@Adam L Silverman: Malls still have Spencer’s Gifts stores?
(asking for a friend who’s banned from the mall)
Amaranthine RBG
@Trentrunner:
You shouldn’t link to the Washington Post. They occasionally run stories that do not follow the bright, shining party line and are therefore infidels.
But, seriously … I would love to have a peek at what sort of resources WaPo has invested in Alabama. With enough bucks, you could track down a large percentage of women who were teenagers in Gadsen in a 10 year period.
I am just going to guess that the WaPo didn’t just find these two latest and that they are dribbling out the disclosures for maximum effect.
They are the ones who broke this story. If you are supporting their journalism with a subscription, you’re part of the fucking problem. (Generic you, not Trentrunner)
GregB
@hellslittlestangel:
Whom the Gods will destroy, they first drive mad.
The earth is shifting under their feet and they are hoping the straws and gossamer they are grabbing at wil stop them from falling.
eric
@Barbara: “hen it became the usual Flanagan dross, a social critique bathed in banality.” *golf clap* well played. As usual, your comment is dead on point.
Duane
@chris: There is absolutely nothing too low for this administration. Disgusting, sickening people. Those who permit this, or participate in it should be hunted down. They deserve it.
Adam L Silverman
@Davebo: I have no idea. I haven’t been in a mall, other than to go into the Red Robin attached to one in Clearwater a couple of years ago when I was at home on leave, since 2014. My Mom wanted to go there, so… In 2013, the last time I went into a mall to actually buy something, I went to the Oakley store in the mall in Crystal City, VA (across from the Pentagon). I needed new lenses. I was in DC with a colleague – he had a meeting at National Defense University and I was giving a Great Decisions talk on the Arab Spring, Syrian Civil War, what was going on in the Middle East for a women’s club at a country club in Arlington, VA as a favor to a colleague’s mother in law (who was a member of the group). We stopped on the way home. Then again for BBQ at the BBQ place just south of the Pennsylvania line in Maryland on 15 for dinner.
Sab
@Barbara: That’s explains a lot.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: You claim to live in the US, but you say “I haven’t been in a mall,” except twice?
GTHO! Edit: and a Pox On You.
Fester Addams
@Davebo:
That they were teaching it to girls.
GregB
Sweet mother of pearl.
Moore’s attorney had been disbarred for impersonating a minister in order to solicit free legal work from the parents of a dead child.
I am starting to mentally short out…
Adam L Silverman
@jl: Did you miss the “since” in there?
Adam L Silverman
@Fester Addams: They had to wear full chadors and sit separated from the boys by a divider in class.
chris
@GregB: Link? Please!!!
GregB
In order to solicit hearse chasing legal work….Not free work…
dogwood
@GregB:
There is no bottom for these people.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: 2014? 2014? GTFO.
I don’t even know who you are, now.
Edit: well, OK, maybe I did miss it. But the tone was so commie, I could barely see for the righteous wrath rising in my throat (paraphrase of a great Reagan quote, thank you very much).
martian
@martian:
Okay, details shift a bit from article to article, but according to this article in the Montgomery Advertiser, Moore didn’t leave Alabama for Australia until after his triumphant return from Texas to defeat a local 2nd degree black belt.
So, Moore gets whipped in a circuit judge election, two bar complaints are filed against him, and he takes off for Texas to lick his wounds, work construction and study kickboxing. Sometime after winning tbe February ’84 match, he leaves for Australia. He says a year, but the timeline doesn’t work since he’s back to meet the future Mrs. Moore at a Christmas party shortly before she files to divorce her husband.
The details of all this are slippery to pin down. There are substantial differences from article to article.
GregB
Check out Grsnt Stern on Twitter.
Amaranthine RBG
@chris:
https://issuu.com/alabamastatebarassociation/docs/the_alabama_lawyer_-_january_2015__
See 74-5 for his reinstatement. I am looking for the juicy stuff now.
Adam mentioned this earlier today.
WaterGirl
@Adam L Silverman: They want me to register and pay to see the Washington Post. :-( But thanks for letting me know it’s real.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: I’m not a big fan of the mall, even before we had Internet shopping, let alone Amazon Prime. I just don’t like the crowds. And if I’m going to shop, the I know what I want, I go to the store, get what I came to get, and leave.
Aleta
@WaterGirl: I was going to say that with his DNA maybe they could check out some old rape cases, but then again… 1977 … I’ve read that (even in the northeast) police handling of rape cases at that time was a difficult issue that activists were barely making progress on, outside of cities like Boston. Victims would get sent away after an unsympathetic grilling at the police station, if they even tried to report. Also, to be fair, no one has mentioned rape and Roy Moore. Doesn’t seem to be any sign so far that he progressed in his pattern. It’s not a given.
martian
@martian:
Okay, let me try that link to the Montgomery Advertiser again:
Can’t get this to work from my phone – https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/678577001
Adam L Silverman
@WaterGirl:
chris
@GregB: OMFG! These really are the molepeople. (h/t C. Pierce)
Amaranthine RBG
@chris:
If you have access to Westlaw, search for 2013 WL 3957598
Trenton Rogers GARMON, Appellant, v. THE ALABAMA STATE BAR
jl
@Adam L Silverman: ” I know what I want, I go to the store, get what I came to get, and leave. ”
Me too, but you can do that in a mall. Giant empty shopping mall retail bust (edit: actually bust was a few years ago, so I am talking about the vulture capitalist speculative salvage investment bust, and wipe out of the remaining ones) may be the next asset bubble popping. Though I don’t think enough of real economy is plugged into that asset class for it to cause much trouble. It will be cataclysmic battle between various factions of the vulture capitalist community.
But, in any case, you obviously have not done your part to stop it.
Steeplejack
@GregB:
Not disbarred. License suspended for 91 days in 2014. Details on page 63 of this dreadful interactive document.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: I grew up in Florida. We have far too much retail and corporate space empty and languishing while new stuff is built all the time.
Also, I misspoke, I went to the Apple Store in the International Mall in Tampa in 2015. I was home and getting my Mom her mother’s day gift.
Steeplejack
@WaterGirl:
Just open it in a private or incognito tab. The Post always gives you (at least) one free article.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: OK, I guess you’re off the hook, even if you had to go about it somewhat Sessions-style.
WaterGirl
@Steeplejack: Thanks! I tried that and it worked.
Aleta
@schrodingers_cat: There’s Trump shill James Woods, rabidly anti-liberal and anti-gay on twitter. His gfs have been in the 19-25 yr old range. (He’s 70 now, got with his current gf 4 years ago, when she was 20. Has been accused of trying to pick up 16 yr olds, years ago, knowing their ages.)
Petorado
Has anyone posted a link to this appropriate video for a right wing pedophile?
I miss the old days when seeing this video only meant that it was time for Atrios to fire up the Golden Winger awards. Such simpler times …
martian
@Aleta:
Not completely true. The young waitress he offered a ride home was assaulted and said she feared rape after he tried to force her head into his lap. She got out of the car somehow, but doesn’t recall if he pushed or she escaped. It was a violent encounter, though, her neck was bruised.
Calouste
@martian: Moore also seems to suggest that he started dating his wife before her divorce was finalized. Which might also explain why Mr.& Mrs. Moore seem to have different stories about how and when they first met.
different-church-lady
@Adam L Silverman:
Which exactly what Roy Moore did.
Adam L Silverman
What I’d really like to know is how Democrats keeping losing to these geniuses?
Adam L Silverman
@different-church-lady: Except in my case it is usually an iPhone or a kitchen tool at Williams and Sonoma or a suit from JoS A Banks.
J R in WV
@WaterGirl:
If you want to see an article in the WaPo, either delete the WaPo cookies (which is how they know how many stories you have seen this month), use the private browsing/incognito browsing, or as the story loads, hit the x in the address bar to stop it loading the instant the text is there, before it tries to load pics and ads.
There’s three methods, if incognito/private browsing stops working, stop and restart your browser.
PIGL
@Adam L Silverman: @hellslittlestangel:I do know how to click on a link; I also know how to stay in the boat.
El Caganer
So McConnell’s really going to try to replace Roy Moore with Charles Manson? I don’t see how that’s going to work.
Amaranthine RBG
@J R in WV:
Or maybe actually pay to support journalism that is making a real difference in the world.
It’s $100 a year, for fuck sake.
Why are we discussing Moore today? Why has his polling dropped 8 points in a week? Because the Washington Post paid live reporters to to actual journalism.
martian
@Calouste:
There are just so many coincidences. I mean, he’s just back from Australia, apparently, meets her at the Christmas party while she’s still married, then she files for divorce on Dec. 28th. And was he her divorce lawyer? What did she need that lawyer for “early in the year” if not something related to the divorce? She’s divorced by April, and they’re married later the same year. He adopted her daughter, too.
I don’t know, my antennae are up on how all the pieces fit together with the timing of her pregnancy, marital separation and divorce, and the “courtship” with Moore. The baby was about a year old when they supposedly met, but I don’t have a birth date. I’d like to know if she was pregnant when Moore took off for Texas, had the baby been born before he took off for Australia, when did her marital separation start, that sort of thing.
JanieM
@The Lodger:
This thread has kept me laughing all evening, but this particular comment takes the cake. I think it’s my favorite blog comment of all time. Is everyone punchy tonight, or what?
Omnes Omnibus
@Amaranthine RBG: Why are we interested in your view of what we should be discussing? I mean, most of us don’t take guidance from gun trolls.
PIGL
@Mnemosyne: But rape is all manly and shit. OTOH, blow-jobs? From women? Those imply a certain degree of consent; also, vaguely faggy.
Was the thinking, I expect.
Aleta
Judge Roy Moore
@MooreSenate
Dear Mitch McConnell,
Bring. It. On.
8:52 PM · Nov 15, 2017
https://mobile.twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/930976729124007936
Amaranthine RBG
@Omnes Omnibus:
https://www.aa.org/pages/en_US/find-local-aa
Omnes Omnibus
@Amaranthine RBG: Fuck you too.
Mnemosyne
@martian:
That would fit with my theory that he fled the country to avoid the consequences of a pregnancy. ?
martian
@Mnemosyne: What if he just wanted to be well out of the way whilst the future Mrs. Moore organized the end of her first marriage? But I am very much wondering about the baby.
The circumstances would be less sketchy to me if there weren’t contradictory stories and a slippery timeline going on. Kayla Moore claims to have met Roy at a bible study, lol. A ready-made family with a beautiful young woman could be a nice thing for an ambitious young pol. Instant respectability for a guy with a bad reputation. But Roy Moore is altogether such a slimeball that I’m curious about what overturning a few more rocks would bring to light.
Gretchen
I looked at the pictures that accompanied the story. The two friends were 17 or 18. One looked like she could be 20. The other looked like she could be 12. I assumed he was pursuing the older-looking one. He was pursuing the one who looked 12.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: I think the antibiotics you’re on are perhaps a tad too strong.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@RobertDSC-Mac Mini
Revenge fantasies while comforting to some are really not very helpful. And mothers want to hurt the people who prey on their children just as much as fathers do but probably have a better idea of how that would work out. A woman in California who shot the man accused of molesting her seven year old son was sentenced to prison. So if one kills/shoots the person who they suspect molested their child, especially if that person is an assistant DA or a judge, one is going to go to prison, and if one is a single parent, then the child is then left without either parent… and possibly goes into foster care or is bounced from relative to relative..or both
So the victim is again victimized but now gets to feel guilty because their parent “went to jail for them”
Yay