NEW: Special counsel sends wide-ranging request for documents to Justice Department. https://t.co/sJ0MDqMS8E pic.twitter.com/lnRp1MM9G1
— ABC News (@ABC) November 20, 2017
Via ABC News:
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team investigating whether President Donald Trump sought to obstruct a federal inquiry into connections between his presidential campaign and Russian operatives has now directed the Justice Department to turn over a broad array of documents, ABC News has learned.
In particular, Mueller’s investigators are keen to obtain emails related to the firing of FBI Director James Comey and the earlier decision of Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from the entire matter, according to a source who has not seen the specific request but was told about it.
Issued within the past month, the directive marks the special counsel’s first records request to the Justice Department, and it means Mueller is now demanding documents from the department overseeing his investigation.
Trump confessed obstruction to Lester Holt, FFS. But this report is encouraging because, if true, it indicates the investigators are going hard after the clown mob boss himself, not just the sideshow lackeys.
The whole fucking bunch needs to go down, and I hope they’re sweating so hard over Thanksgiving that the brigade of imported custodial staff at Disgraceland in Palm Beach has to stand by with mops and buckets.
Mary G
Ben Wittes set off the baby cannon, so it’s juicy!
Felonius Monk
Indictments in the Christmas stockings, perhaps?
James E. Powell
We – and by we I mean the parts of America that still want it to be a democracy – have to prepare for Mueller getting fired. There is no way Trump lets Mueller take down his inner circle. No way.
rikyrah
Want some Thanksgiving indictments
Omnes Omnibus
@James E. Powell: Your suggestion?
tobie
@James E. Powell: Mueller must know this is a distinct possibility too. That’s the one comfort I take when I think that Trump may fire him. Mueller must have anticipated this and taken precautionary measures.
Another Scott
@James E. Powell: Presumably he would have fired him already if he thought he could get away with it.
Trump was spooked by the reaction to his firing Comey (just barely 6 months ago). He knows that firing Mueller is an instant “obstruction of justice” charge and impeachment article. He’s been whining about the investigation for many, many months, so why hasn’t he done it yet?…
He may still do it (via an intermediary). But I don’t think it’s automatic by any means.
Cheers,
Scott.
Betty Cracker
@Omnes Omnibus: Here’s a suggestion. It would have to be massive to scare legislators into doing the right thing.
BBA
How fucked up is it that the “best-case” scenario is three years of President Orrin Hatch?
Elie
@James E. Powell:
I think that he and his team have certain plans for this contingency inc some state charges he is working w the NY state AG. What I also think is that the criminality is so vast that I am scared it will outgrow the team. This prob includes members of Congress and other players in and outside government. How does he reel this in?
Aleta
White pumpkins and clamshells won’t save that Thanksgiving table.
lamh36
Charles Manson finally kicked the bucket!
Good riddance!
https://t.co/upCHz6c4tf
Feebog
Tick tock mofos.
Suzanne
@tobie:
What measures could he take? I’m genuinely curious. I really hope you’re right, but I am skeptical.
jl
” Trump confessed obstruction to Lester Holt, FFS. ”
And I think the WH has admitted that Trump’s tweets are official administration statements. So why not use those? They should be enough for a criminal charge.
I think they are more than enough for impeachment, conviction and removal from office. Criminal charges against Trump can come later, get him out of office first. Better to deal with Pence until the fuzz comes to get him.
Splitting Image
@lamh36:
Nice to have some good news for a change. We’ve lost some musicians over the last few years that I will miss more than this guy.
Felonius Monk
@lamh36: Only about 83 years too late.
ruemara
@lamh36: Bye, bitch! And may we have an opportunity to say the same to a certain tangerine tyrant and his cabal of nimrods.
Oh, I saw there was interest in a meet-up for Seattle. I’m guessing Friday might be best, but I don’t know where or what there is to eat in the downtown area that’s good, so, suggestions welcome. Email nym at gmail. Still no idea where I’m staying but I should lock it down soon.
@Suzanne: There’s a chain of command that any incoming head would have to deal with too. Might be a lot harder than just firing the chief when there are subchiefs with their own noses in the shit pile.
lamh36
@Felonius Monk: right…now i hope they bury him in some undisclosed location and we NEVER hear of him name again except in history books. Someone said cremate him and drow him somewhere undisclosed
James E. Powell
@Omnes Omnibus:
For starters, the Democratic leaders have to be organized to have a rapid, unified, and coherent response. They have to talk with any Republicans who they think might join them in opposing Trump. I suppose that would moderate the demands, but it would be very important to get some of them to speak in concert if not in unison with Democrats.
For the people, us, I think we need to engage in massive, sustained public demonstrations, including civil disobedience. Block city streets. Escalate. Demand his resignation. I really dislike the marches and the chanting, but a complacency and normalization are setting in. He does something outrageous two three times a week and the general public is just rolling with it.
rikyrah
@Elie:
Why reel it in?
Get all of them.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Lucifer is waiting for him
Adam L Silverman
@James E. Powell: @Omnes Omnibus: @Betty Cracker: @Suzanne: I have no special insight, and if I did I wouldn’t be able to even publicly speculate, but I understand the (military side of the) counterintelligence world. And I know Mueller’s history as a prosecutor and a FBI director. What he has most likely done is to share what is applicable to a state level prosecution with NY AG Schneiderman. He’s already allowed it to be know that he’s consulted with him. This was done to communicate to, at least, the President’s outside attorneys, as well as the White House Counsel and the Attorney General that firing Mueller will only result in AG Schneiderman moving forward with what he can prosecute under NY state law. And that will be a whole lot of financial crimes. While the President may not understand this or, if he does, be able to process what it actually means, and it’s clear that Jared wouldn’t understand much of anything if it walked up and bit him, his attorneys, the White House Counsel, and AG Sessions will.
If Mueller is fired the other thing that is going to happen is that our allied and partner intelligence communities will begin to selectively leak. They will have no choice but to do so to protect their own states’ interests. As has been reported repeatedly, a great deal of what the US intelligence community had that allowed Comey to start the counterintelligence investigation in mid 2016 with the creation of a joint counterterrorism task force came from our Five Eyes partners, as well as our other NATO and EU partners who are outside of the Five Eyes network. Simply, our allies and partners cannot, and therefore will not, allow the US to become fully suborned to Putin’s will. It would completely remake the balance of power within the global system and put their countries at risk. Both for subversion and for more kinetic and lethal actions.
Finally, any attempt to interfere, by the AG, or DCI, or Congressman Nunes will result in what we’ve already see happen several times: leaks. And these leaks are all actually messages: back off now or worse will come out.
Remember it is not that the cover up is worse than the crime. Rather it is that the cover up is actually both part of the ongoing crime/crimes and a crime in and of itself.
Adam L Silverman
Amir Khalid
@Splitting Image:
Wasn’t Manson a musician too? I seem to recall that a song he wrote was covered by Guns’N’Roses, and that he auditioned for a place in the Monkees.
T S
Sounds promising for another Saturday Night Massacre. Trump’s gonna pardon a Turkey, fire a Mueller, then pardon Big Papa.
T S
@tobie: One of your hands is fuller than the other.
Adam L Silverman
@James E. Powell: There is not going to be a political solution to this problem. While the bureaucracy is holding, more in some places, less in others, the US political process and system is not designed to deal with the problem we’re facing. It was beyond the Founders and Framers imaginations, and not surprisingly that it was, that a president would come to power who appeared to be in thrall to a foreign power (for whatever reasons) and that Congress would be unable to act because the members of that president’s party in Congress would refuse to act. And that many members of the president’s party in Congress would actively seek to cover for him, if not outright ensure that he could continue to violate his oath office. Nor that the penetration of that foreign power would be at all levels of the party and political movements that comprise the party.
Even if the Democrats take both the House and the Senate at the 2018 midterms, the political solution to this problem, as set out in the Constitution, impeachment will not happen. While a Democratic majority in the House could pass Articles of Impeachment with a simple majority, it will not be possible to get a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict as that will take significant Republican cooperation. I would not count on this. The solution to this problem are going to arise from the joint counterintelligence task force working in conjunction with the Office of the Special Prosecutor.
Betty Cracker
@Adam L Silverman: How do you think that might play out? Task force & Mueller cooperation, I mean?
Trentrunner
@Adam L Silverman: Can you elaborate on your final sentence?
What sequence of events flows from whatever Mueller finds that results in Trump leaving offfice that does NOT include impeachment?
fuckwit
@Adam L Silverman: so, the solution is what? Military coup? Criminal justice e convictions?
NotMax
Watching the documentary The Real African Queen on Amazon Prime, via Roku. More engaging and complex a story than I would have anticipated about the big ship that plies Lake Tanganyika..
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Most prisons have their own graveyards. They can stick him there so he stays inside the walls of that prison for eternity.
G read the story and said that Sharon Tate’s sister is the first person prison officials called (or, at least, was the first one to tell the press). IIRC, she was really the driving force who kept him in prison and showed up to every single parole hearing.
Adam L Silverman
@Betty Cracker: @Trentrunner: I do not know. As I’ve indicated, I have no specialized knowledge. And if I did, I couldn’t and wouldn’t talk about it. The only home game in town is Muellers. The away games, if they become necessary, belong to AG Schneiderman in NY and our Five Eyes, EU, and NATO allies and partners.
eemom
@Amir Khalid:
Something something about Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys being an early enabler of Manson. #citationneeded
Adam L Silverman
@fuckwit: There will not be a military coup.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
I still wonder if, legally, the Supreme Court could void the Electoral College’s 2016 vote and order them to re-convene and re-vote. I realize that politically it would probably never happen, but it does seem like the only available way to have a do-over.
piratedan
well I feel like we’re all in Delta House and the Omegas are the GOP and while we may win some battles, the war is far from over. You think McConnell and Ryan are just going to roll over? You think Putin isn’t going to do everything in his power to ruin us? This is going to be a long hard slog rooting these fuckers out, and while I will cheer and call and work in local elections every step of the way, we’re in for a long battle. There are still many incredibly unpalatable options that can happen along the way before we restore anything like sanity to our politics. Have to keep fighting though, its exhausting, depressing at times but getting us to the point where basic human decency is restored, people can love and worship however they wish, get treated for illnesses, have opportunities for employment and live in safety are all goals that we agree upon and know are worth fighting for, regardless of skin, color, faith or gender.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: It cannot. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows for a do over.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: I think any sensible person would agree that, given the current make-up of Congress, a political solution is very unlikely. But if impeachment and ultimately, conviction and removal from office is justified, the fact that it is unlikely does not mean that people should be quiet about it.
I think the amazing string of lies that have come out of this administration about foreign contacts, is already enough to justify Trump’s removal from office for reckless endangerment of national interest and national security As I said in a previous thread, we don’t need no stinking canceled check and a things-to-do-list-for-Uncle-Vlad sitting in the Oval Office Desk. Also Trump’s negligence in protecting the integrity of future US elections. (Edit: in addition to several high crimes and misdemeanors unrelated to Russia and Vlad).
I don’t think anyone should censor themselves just because what should be done, and is very well justified under the Constitution, isn’t gong to happen because of a corrupt political party in control of government. If Trump starts pardoning people who are indicted in order to obstruct justice, or fires Mueller, there should be demonstrations in the streets. And I’ll be there. I was before the Iraq Invasion, and even though it didn’t do any good, I’ll go to demonstrations again.
CarolDuhart2
@lamh36: That’s probably what they will, or probably have already done. Wonder what happened to that girl who wanted to marry him a few years back?
Unlike some of the other Family members, he never married and didn’t have much of a family, so there wouldn’t have been other arrangements besides whatever the prison could provide. He never had much money either, so he couldn’t have made any either. Now his fans (ugh) might hold an event of some sort, but it won’t be even a memorial service.
Hopefully the families of his victims will be able to finally mourn in peace, and the dead be recognized for their achievements more than the horrible way they died and the people who killed them.
Betty Cracker
@Adam L Silverman: Your point about what other countries have at stake if the US president serves as Putin’s puppet is a good one that doesn’t get the attention it deserves in the US media.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: I’m not saying people should be quiet about it. I am simply describing the operating environment we are in.
Adam L Silverman
@Betty Cracker: I mention it several times a month. Here. Sometimes on the front page.
jl
@Betty Cracker: I don’t think the media would know what to do with that information, or how to process it. They are such hacks, and trivialize everything so much. If Trump’s car got booted for unpaid parking tickets, they might decide that is the golden gotcha that would justify impeachment. But democracies around the world being endangered, I dunno, seems like one could argue about what that really means. Not sure they would think they would look smart and savvy worrying about something like that.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: I am worried about realism being channeled too much into resignation and inaction. So, I will provide push back whenever anyone gives wise realistic counsel. It’s on my permanent ‘to-do’ list until the current rump and toxic reactionary and authoritarian remnant of the GOP is out of power.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: I’m pretty sure I’m the last person that most would refer to as resigned or recommending inaction. I’m not. Popular and public pressure matters. And is very effective. It doesn’t mean we should be naive or lie to ourselves or each other.
CaseyL
@ruemara: I am sending you an email about your Seattle visit.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Why not? Serious question. I would like one of our resident lawyers to take a stab at explaining why our current body of law would not allow the vote of the Electoral College to be voided and re-voted.
ETA: To be clear, this would specifically be in the event that it was proven that the Russians directly tampered with the vote counts and/or voter rolls of the 2016 election, not just a general do-over.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Because there is nothing in the Constitution, the foundational law of the US, that provides for it. You cannot just make foundational law up as you go along willy nilly. It is the problem with having a written constitution.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: Thank you. If political avenue won’t act, public pressure may be enough to jam things up and keep disaster at bay.
The idea isn’t getting everything we want, or to get justice done on our schedule. It is to keep disaster at bay by whatever means are available to us. Like getting the Titanic steered just enough so that even if it still hit the iceberg, not enough to sink the damn thing out in the middle of ice nowhere.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
And yet Thomas Jefferson would seem to disagree with you:
jl
@Mnemosyne: I think popular pressure for impeachment, conviction and removal a better way to go. As Hamilton said, it the recourse in the constitution designed as a remedy for political crimes an executive, or office holder, commits directly against the people.
I think we are far past justified use of that, Mueller or no Mueller. His investigation helped reveal the disgusting string of lies that came out of the miserable Trumpsters. We know more than enough now, and we should demand impeachment.
Slightly_peeved
@Mnemosyne:
If it was found that the Trump campaign was engaged in an illegal conspiracy with Russia that materially affected the result of the election, the appropriate response would be for Pence to resign or be impeached, then Hilary Clinton to be confirmed by the senate as his replacement prior to the impeachment of Donald Trump. I believe this would be in accordance with current law, and in my opinion much fairer than a do-over. US Postal didn’t get a do-over for those tour de Frances that Lance Armstrong won.
It will, of course, never ever happen.
LosGatosCA
In a different timeline –
we’re correctly seen as a banana republic that’s been thwarting the popular will since 2000, condoning war crimes since 2002, invading other sovereign states under false pretenses since 2003, being an international troublemaker on climate change and just generally regarding international norms since 2001, fomenting instability domestically and internationally with outside agitation regarding revoking international agreements, and domestically going against judicial independence by not even acknowledging duly elected presidents rights to appoint justices to the supreme court.
Addressing those circumstances as previously honorable, stable, and reliable United States, circa 1995, we would be calling for:
– democratic reforms to address conducting fair, democratic elections
– scheduling new elections under those reforms, fully observable by outside parties
– immediate resignations from all (Russian) judges appointed as a result of the corrupted elections
– immediate end and renunciation of, verifiable by international inspectors, to the indefinite detention, extraordinary rendition, and torture regime as practiced in the past and may be still partially in place.
And we wouldn’t be saying, “hey get around to it when you can, see if it can be accommodated by your rigged racist institutional structures.”
SFBayAreaGal
Betty, I love, love, love, your descriptive writing.
Amir Khalid
@Mnemosyne:
Convincing evidence of Trump’s guilt is already out in the open. But he is not going to be impeached until there is a consensus among Republicans in Congress that they must do it to protect themselves. Remember what Governor KIV said about voting for Roy Moore despite the convincing evidence of Moore’s unfitness for the US Senate: His will be a Republican’s bum on a seat, and that is what matters above all else to the party.
As things stand, Republicans in Congress as a whole do not — or not yet — see Trump as a threat to their tenure in office. The billionaires who own their souls also do not yet see Trump as Fredo to their collective Michael. I think that is what it would take to make them turn on him.
magurakurin
@James E. Powell:
because a third want him to dissolve Congress and declare a dictatorship and another third flat doesn’t give a shit either way. The third of us who care will have to carry the load. We can win though. The Revolutionary War had a similar split. We also have the benefit of being intellectually and morally correct. And the entire intelligence community is on our side. but, still, massively fucked country at this point.
Elizabelle
Good morning, jackals. Will check back when the morning crowd arrives.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Elizabelle: (waves)
Jim Parish
@Adam L Silverman: My understanding is that the Framers did, sort of, foresee the possibility and provided for it, but they looked in the wrong direction. The “natural-born citizen” clause was aimed at keeping some European aristocrat from coming over and buying the Presidency. (There were rich people in the States, but by European standards they were pikers.) Ref.: Akil Amar’s America’s Constitution: A Biography, ch. 4.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Don’t despair
If Trump fires Muller, Bernie will rally the country, using the bully pulpit, and force Drumpf to resign.
magurakurin
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
Bernie said “ordinary” Americans aren’t staying up at night worrying about Russia, so we’re just a bunch of freaks and malcontents who have lost the plot. Bernie will rally the ordinary Americans…we don’t matter.
sdhays
@Adam L Silverman:
Well…our last Supreme Court rewrote the 14th Amendment to give itself the power to override Congress and help them make the “correct” choice without having to worry about “political correctness”. I found that more disturbing that even the Citizens United decision – they completely ignored the text of the Constitution and Congress’ broad authority to act, as well as the large majorities in Congress reauthorizing the Act, and invented frankly laughable excuses for gutting the VRA. And Bush vs. Gore had no support in Constitutional law, but they made that decision anyway, because Sandra Day O’Connor wanted to retire and wanted a Republican to pick her replacement (that’s the main reason I want term limits on Supreme Court Justices – the idea that these people not only have ultimate power over the laws of this country, but can essentially pick who picks their successor is deeply troubling to me).
The terrifying thing about the Supreme Court is that they can and do make up foundational law whenever they want. A Supreme Court could order extreme remedies if it wanted to. But a good chunk of them wouldn’t want to because they’re essentially traitors and the others probably wouldn’t want to because they would be uneasy about exercising their awesome power so aggressively, regardless of the circumstances.
MattF
One thing that’s clear– we’ve seen only the above-water part of Trump’s corruption. And stupidity. And incompetence. And disloyalty to everyone and everything. Not only is there more to come, there’s much more. Mueller has an inner circle of prosecutors and allies that knows this and is prepared for the long haul. They regard themselves as patriots and will do whatever it takes.
It’s gonna be ugly.
ETA: I hope.
J R in WV
@Adam L Silverman:
There was nothing in the Constitution about the Supremes appointing a losing candidate president before the vote counting (specifically allocated to the states in the Constitution) is even finished. Yet it happened, inaugurating the worst president prior to The donald trump!!!
In my opinion, if the election process in Florida wasn’t proceeding to the satisfaction of the Supremes, their only option would to be to throw out the votes from Florida and eliminate the Electoral College votes from Florida from their election.
Since there wasn’t a valid election down there, after all. Don’t know what that would have done to Al Gore’s point score compared to W’s totals, but it would have been more fair than stopping the ongoing vote count, which appeared to be going well when stopped in mid count.
Bobby Thomson
@Mnemosyne: that’s just Bad Jefferson the tyrant attempting to justify his lack of adherence to the law.
Judges can only give relief that is authorized by the law or equity, and equitable remedies are not available if there is a remedy at law. Impeachment is the legal remedy provided in the Constitution.
Also, the political question doctrine is a theory of abstention under which the SCOTUS avoids getting involved in things that have political solutions.
Not a chance SCOTUS gets involved when Congress fails to impeach. And another 5-4 Bush v. Gore wouldn’t solve anything.
debit
@magurakurin: I think you missed the invisible sarcasm tag.
Another Scott
@J R in WV: The Florida legislature had the ultimate say on how the election turned out there. If the SCOTUS hadn’t stepped in, W would have won anyway because there was enough messed-up-ed-ness in the FL law and timetables (“must certify by X date, hanging chads, undervotes, overvotes, etc., etc.”) that the legislature – with its GOP majority – would have picked W anyway.
The SCOTUS could have stepped in and done the right thing, or simply said “count all the votes and come back – if necessary – when you’re done”, but they didn’t.
But, ultimately, the FL GOP was going to decide the outcome if the SCOTUS didn’t.
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
(That’s my fuzzy recollection. Too lazy to refresh it, and it’s all water under the bridge. The real lesson is to not allow elections to be close enough to be stolen. Our system doesn’t handle ties (and fuzzy counts) well.)
Yellowdog
@J R in WV: There is also nothing in the Constitution about the right to privacy, which is the legal basis of Roe v. Wade. That right was asserted by the SC in 1965 and is now precedent. Perhaps a case could be made about the right to do-over, which will serve as precedent for getting rid of the orange shitgibbon.
laura
@Yellowdog: Penumbra. Some truths are self-evident.
Ruviana
eemom: Dennis Wilson. Discussed in Helter Skelter and I think Saunders’ book as well.
schrodingers_cat
In every thread about Mueller getting closer to his quarry, we have at least five or six people immediately chiming in about his being fired and how Rs will pay no price if T does that. May be they won’t, but no one can read the future, not even these negative Nellies.
Uncle Cosmo
@Adam L Silverman: Among other things, IIUC (correct me if I’m wrong, Adam) the
Junior BirdmenAir Force is filthy with fundanazis.IMO it’s far more likely that someone in the
praetorian guardSecret Service or other authorized to be carrying lethal force in range of Trumpolini to put a round through his brain case, which gets us fundanazi whackjob Dense with the mandate of an assassinated POTUS – a cure which bids fair to be much worse than the current disease.Scotian
@Adam L Silverman:
Repeated for emphasis and agreement. I live in one of the five eyes nations, and I have my own connections/history (familial as opposed to professional) to our intelligence world in this nation, and I would read Adam,’s point here as dead accurate. Of course it is preferred that you Americans clean up your own mess here, but there are limits to how far our own respective national security interests can allow that to go, and Adam is quite correct in this.
Indeed, one of the primary reasons I read this site is his posts, I recognize the flavour of someone that knows this world and is making intelligent informed observations and analysis. The fact that for the most part the rest of your allies are staying fairly quiet is because of the fear of the backlash open intervention would cause, but at a certain point that gets outweighed by the damage of Vlad’s Manchurian President being left in charge, especially with the GOP Congresscritters collaborating instead of stopping him. So I would expect leaking would be happening a lot in the event of a Muller firing, and I have never been totally convinced it wasn’t already going on, in that some of the “national security” leaks this year that the GOPers and Trump are so upset about came not from American sources, but foreign ones, but that is my speculation only. Cannot know for sure of course, but would not surprise me given the seriousness and severity of the Russian action and the success of it.
Amaranthine RBG
“Yeah I know there’s nothing in the constitution about ice cream, but I want ice cream so …”
Balloon Juice Con. Law 101
Noncarborundum
@Splitting Image:
I’ve lost some lunches I’ll miss more than this guy.
Mnemosyne
@sdhays:
Yeah, it’s not like our modern Supreme Court has never made flimsy decisions not based on a strict reading of the Constitution before, so I’m not getting the insistence that of course the SC would never, say, override the process laid out in the Constitution where a disputed presidential election gets voted on by the House of Representatives.
Apparently the SC can only tilt things in favor of the Republicans and can never, ever make similar decisions that would favor Democrats, even when favoring the Democrats would benefit everyone.
Matt McIrvin
@Adam L Silverman:
Count me as also not understanding this paragraph. Those people don’t actually have the power to remove a President from office–the only remedies for that are political.
Personally, I think the only remedies are electoral. We’re going to be stuck with Trump at least until January 2021, and a Republican-controlled Congress at least until January 2019. The best we can realistically hope is that the misbehavior of this whole administration and the legislative idiocy of Congress destroy the Republican brand at the ballot box, all the way down to states and municipalities. And it might.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
I think you’re misinterpreting it.
Firing Mueller means all bets are off. Payback stops being political and starts getting personal.
RobNYNY
@Mnemosyne:
Jefferson agrees that there is no law that provides for a do-over, and does not suggest (at least in that passage) that the Supreme Court has the power to order a do-over.