Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

SCOTUS: It’s not “bribery” unless it comes from the Bribery region of France. Otherwise, it’s merely “sparkling malfeasance”.

I desperately hope that, yet again, i am wrong.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

Anne Laurie is a fucking hero in so many ways. ~ Betty Cracker

Peak wingnut was a lie.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

Jesus watching the most hateful people claiming to be his followers

This country desperately needs a functioning fourth estate.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

Not rolling over. fuck you, make me.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

He really is that stupid.

“But what about the lurkers?”

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

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The George Soros forgeries are getting better and better:

Debbie Wesson Gibson was in her attic hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations last week when she noticed a storage bin she said she had forgotten about. Inside was a scrapbook from her senior year of high school, and taped to a page titled “Those Who Inspire” was a graduation card.

“Happy graduation Debbie,” it read in slanted cursive handwriting. “I wanted to give you this card myself. I know that you’ll be a success in anything you do. Roy.”

[….]

At a Nov. 27 campaign event in the north Alabama town of Henagar, Moore said, “The allegations are completely false. They are malicious. Specifically, I do not know any of these women.”

At a Nov. 29 rally at a church in the south Alabama town of Theodore, Moore said, “Let me state once again: I do not know any of these women…

I hope Alabama is ready for lots of boycotts if they elect this pedophile.

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  1. 1.

    TenguPhule

    I hope Alabama is ready for lots of boycotts if they elect this pedophile.

    Boycotts of what? It’s Alabama, for pete’s sakes.

    Back end of Fuckall and middle of bumfuckistan.

    /No offense meant to any Bjer who has the misfortune to still live there

  2. 2.

    Nicole

    The problem with boycotts is- what does Alabama have that anyone wants? It’s not a boycott if you were already avoiding it.

  3. 3.

    Trentrunner II - Pie Is Squared

    From previous thread, but relevant:

    MSNBC just fired Sam Seder for this 2009 tweet:

    Dont care re Polanski, but i hope if my daughter is ever raped it is by an older truly talented man w/ a great sense of mise en scene

    Mike Cernovich (Pizzagate fame) had been stoking his alt-right friends into fake frenzy about it.

    MSNBC is topped by cowards and hypocrites.

  4. 4.

    Yutsano

    @Nicole: A not half bad beach near Mobile and footbawl games. Other than that, I THINK there’s a couple of foreign car plants down that way.

  5. 5.

    The Moar You Know

    I don’t know what there is in Alabama to boycott.

    My family is from there. Used to go back every year. Hated it. Last grandparent standing died in 2004 and no family member has set foot in the state since probate. No reason to.

    I like the South and there’s some pretty cool places down there, but not any of them are in Alabama (State motto: Come on in, the water’s polluted with PCBs!). Think Hyundai has a plant there and they have the Spaceflight center but that’s really it. The state is a boring shithole, to be honest. I don’t know why anyone stays. My family certainly didn’t. Hell, I don’t even know why anyone would visit.

  6. 6.

    Yutsano

    @The Moar You Know: Oh yeah forgot about the space stuff in Huntsville. Pretty sure that had to do with a pork project an old Senator got. It’s the only way to explain how Martinsburg, West Virginia got one of the major IRS computer hubs. The magic of Robert Byrd!

  7. 7.

    wjs

    @Nicole: Football.

    You want to hurt Alabama? Ban their football team(s) from NCAA play. Ban Alabama and Auburn. Ban their universities from all NCAA activity.

    The NCAA does not want another pedo scandal.

  12. 12.

    clay

    I was born in Alabama, left when I was three. But I’ve been back at times. The northern part just seems like Georgia with worse roads, and the coast is Louisiana with a worse Mardi Gras. And all without any cultural centers like Atlanta, Athens, or New Orleans.

  13. 13.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    Off topic, but I was watching MSNBC a few minutes ago, and Jim Jordan, the frantic congressman from Ohio was on, lying about Democrats, because that’s what he does. And what is it about this guy? He somehow comes across as more of an asshole than any other Republican I can think of, even including Czar Manbaby and Steve King. What is it about him that makes him seem so assholish? I remember him yelling at Hillary Clinton two years ago at one of the Benghazi hearings, and he was easily the most obnoxious asshole on the committee. This might seem like a random or trivial thing, but I really want to know what makes him so awful, so viscerally repellent, when there are people who, by all rights should seem worse.

  16. 16.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I’m no fan of Willard Romney, but in any red state but Utah this would be the end of his career in politics

    Mitt Romney‏Verified account @ MittRomney
    Roy Moore in the US Senate would be a stain on the GOP and on the nation. Leigh Corfman and other victims are courageous heroes. No vote, no majority is worth losing our honor, our integrity.

    Too bad he didn’t feel that way about having a racist make robocalls to WWC precincts in MI and OH

  18. 18.

    Ridnik Chrome

    I dunno about boycotts, but if Moore actually gets elected, the Democrats should quietly approach a few high profile Republican women (Collins or Murkowski, maybe?) about switching parties.

  19. 19.

    Cacti

    @clay:

    I was born in Alabama, left when I was three. But I’ve been back at times. The northern part just seems like Georgia with worse roads, and the coast is Louisiana with a worse Mardi Gras. And all without any cultural centers like Atlanta, Athens, or New Orleans.

    Now here’s a conundrum for you:

    Is Alabama: Georgia minus Atlanta, or is Georgia: Alabama plus Atlanta?

  21. 21.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Patricia Kayden: @Trentrunner II – Pie Is Squared: Hmmmm. My gut reaction is that that’s not funny

    It made me go ew, too, but now I’m wondering if that wasn’t a reaction to some Polanski defender’s response when asked “how would you feel if it were your daughter?” I have a vague recollection about that.

    and clearly a condemnation of Polanski and his defenders, whatever the context. I don’t think Lack and Griffin care much for or about Sam Seder

  22. 22.

    dmsilev

    Specifically, I do not know any of these women.

    Maybe he means “know” in the Biblical sense.

    I don’t think any of the women have made that particular allegation. Yet, anyway.

  23. 23.

    JMG

    Don’t watch cable news, period. For that matter, don’t watch broadcast news. Local news for weather should be it.

  24. 24.

    different-church-lady

    So, when we’re done firing everyone who ever made a stupid comment, Trump will still be Molester In Chief and only the ones who went about their harassment quietly will still be employed.

    Let’s remember that Billy Bush has still paid a larger price for something Trump did than Trump has. Baby, bathwater, fuck it, it’s all going out, except for the guy who got it all started.

  31. 31.

    TenguPhule

    @scav:

    and no scary-food-on-display substitute for Thailand.

    I’ve seen authentic Southern cooking.

    I’d rather take my chances eating Thai insect dishes.

  32. 32.

    different-church-lady

    @Mike in DC: You don’t understand: progressive writers will always be worth more than progressive politicians, because progressive writers have never committed the cardinal progressive sin of winning an election.

  36. 36.

    Trentrunner II - Pie Is Squared

    @Mike in DC: Franken should resign because groping women is wrong.

    Seder should not be fired because his joke was targeting squishy liberal support of Polanski, not endorsing THE RAPE OF HIS DAUGHTER.

    Not rocket surgery, morally speaking.

    At least to me. :)

  38. 38.

    TenguPhule

    @Ridnik Chrome:

    but if Moore actually gets elected, the Democrats should quietly approach a few high profile Republican women (Collins or Murkowski, maybe?) about switching parties.

    No. We know what they are and we know they’re cheap to rent.

  43. 43.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    Honda, Toyota and Hyundai all have auto plants in Alabama for the usual reasons of avoiding unionizing, lower safety requirements, massive tax “incentives” to get them there in the first place.

  44. 44.

    Roger Moore

    @Mike in DC:

    Gosh, I sure hope nobody finds out that Wilmer wrote some really shitty misogynistic stuff in the 70s and never apologized for it.

    Nobody will find out about it unless he actually wins the Democratic nomination, because the people who dig up and publicize that stuff won’t want to hurt him until then.

  46. 46.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Ridnik Chrome: Collins and Murkowski just voted for the tax bill. What makes you think they’d switch parties? The majority of White women who voted in last year’s election supported Trump. I have no reason to believe that Collins and Murkowski are different from those White women.

  47. 47.

    TenguPhule

    @Trentrunner II – Pie Is Squared:

    Franken admitted it. He apologized for it. This is not in question.

    No he didn’t. He has apologized in general and admitted to taking the photo.

    Nothing else.

    All of the accusations are in question because EVERY SINGLE ACCUSER IS A FUCKING REPUBLICAN.

  48. 48.

    Brachiator

    I hope Alabama is ready for lots of boycotts if they elect this pedophile.

    If the polls are accurate, the voters in Alabama have made their decision. They will have to live with it. Unfortunately, the rest of us will have to suffer for it.

  49. 49.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    MSNBC is confirming that Mueller has filed with a court to revoke Manafort’s bail agreement

  52. 52.

    scav

    @TenguPhule: That was rather my weakest element, but then, you may also not be cultural wired for dating barely pubescent girls. Might be something genetically cross-wired between cravings for Chik-fil-A and Chik-fille-date. (Chik-4-DA in this exact instance?)

  55. 55.

    Ridnik Chrome

    @TenguPhule:

    No. We know what they are and we know they’re cheap to rent.

    If we can accept Arlen Specter, we can accept pretty much anybody. Hell, I’d even take Collins as a Jim Jeffords-type independent-but-caucuses-with-Democrats.

    But seriously, forget about “high-profile”. I hope that somewhere, anywhere, in the Republican Party there will be a woman or two for whom Senator Roy Moore will be the straw that broke the elephant’s back.

  57. 57.

    Raoul

    @TenguPhule: Can we mount a campaign to embarrass the crap out of Airbus? They have one airliner production line in Mobile. They have announced plans to add a second assembly line.

    Does this international corporate giant want to be investing big in peophile-loving ‘Bama?

  61. 61.

    TenguPhule

    @Ridnik Chrome:

    I hope that somewhere, anywhere, in the Republican Party there will be a woman or two for whom Senator Roy Moore will be the straw that broke the elephant’s back.

    Hope in one hand, crap in the other.

    Guess which one will fill first.

  63. 63.

    Corner Stone

    @Patricia Kayden:

    He did the same thing to Joy Reid

    They (MSNBC) nail Joy on this bullshit and I want her, MHP and Tamron Hall to start their own cable channel. I will be a foundation donor (not enough to get your name on the plaque, but as much as I can).

  64. 64.

    TenguPhule

    @Raoul:

    Can we mount a campaign to embarrass the crap out of Airbus? They have one airliner production line in Mobile. They have announced plans to add a second assembly line.

    Boeing does that already for us. They have more money and better connections then we do.

  65. 65.

    Corner Stone

    @Ridnik Chrome:

    the Democrats should quietly approach a few high profile Republican women (Collins or Murkowski, maybe?) about switching parties.

    Fuck them. They are both too stupid to live.

  66. 66.

    debbie

    @Mike in DC:

    Also from my link:

    Manafort wanted to be allowed to travel among a few states in return for agreeing to forfeit $11.6 million in property if he missed a court appearance.

    Seriously? That’s Trump-level deal making!

  68. 68.

    Raoul

    *Sorry if the headline in the link just above is confusing. International smashmouth trade politics has meant that in retaliation for Boeing going after Bombardier for a sale of airplanes to Delta, Airbus has bought a 51% stake in Bombardier. The JV has plans to build a second line at Mobile to build the JV aircraft. It’s all bizarre (and very much about the oligarchs in the Trump admin conspiring with Boeing, but all that for another day).
    My point is that Alabama has a rep, but it also has some actual high-tech business that could be targeted for corporate pressure campaigns.

  69. 69.

    KatieStPaul

    I’ve never been to Alabama, and had of course planned to keep things that way, but Bryan Stephenson’s Equal Justice Initiative is located in Montgomery, and as part of their amazing racial justice work, they’re opening a museum and a national lynching memorial next spring. Not exactly the most cheerful tourist attraction in the world, but sounds like it’s going to be quite powerful. I’d hate for people to miss seeing something like that because of a boycott. Even if a boycott is in every other way damn appropriate.

  71. 71.

    different-church-lady

    @Corner Stone: Yes. Everyone resigns. We start over. New rules.

    Five years from now we find out which creeps were the most successful at manipulating their way to the top past the new rules.

  73. 73.

    Argiope

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I can help you with that; Lard help me, Jim’s mine. OH 4th has been in Republican hands in all but 16 years since the CIVIL WAR. So part of it is geography/sorting and part of it is gerrymander; my very liberal area was annexed to it during the last round of redistricting, diluting progressives by apportioning them strategically. (The 4th was going to stay R, mind you, it’s just that my community no longer matters since we’ve been added to it.) We are so desperate for a change that we’re looking for less crazy Rs to draft to who might be persuaded to primary him. OH is a state where you need to declare affiliation in order to get a primary ballot, so several of us are willing to change affiliation for the primary to vote him out, then change back after the election is over. Ohio’s 4th: where if you’re lucky, you get to help choose which Republican will represent you.

  75. 75.

    B.B.A.

    @d58826: The RNC is busy fixing their rules to avoid a repeat of 2016. The new key rule is that the nomination must go to a direct male-line descendant of Prescott Bush.

  76. 76.

    TenguPhule

    @Argiope:

    Ohio’s 4th: where if you’re lucky, you get to help choose which Republican will represent you.

    Sounds like we should evacuate you and the minority of sane people before calling in rotating carpet bombings for the district.

  79. 79.

    WaterGirl

    @Brachiator: The only thing similar about the two recent polls is the number of people who appear to have no opinion.

    How many of those people who have no stated opinion are voting for Moore and too ashamed to say so? How many are voting against Moore or staying home but don’t want to say that? How many are voting for the Democrats, but they don’t want to say that out loud?

    All this tells me is that we aren’t going to know what’s up in this race until the voting is done. There is no way to predict this outcome.

  85. 85.

    Raoul

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, posted an LA Times piece in the obstruction thread from earlier today. Sleazy guy ghostwrote an op-ed for a Russian with intelligence service ties. Seems he has no better sense of self-preservation now than before four indictment counts.

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mike in DC:

    Let’s not even get into the fact that apparently rape apology is apparently A-OK if our trollish friend likes the person who does it.

  87. 87.

    matt

    Actually in a state with as small an economic base as Alabama, a boycott is a powerful weapon. I have been thinking people should threaten a boycott loudly before the election and see if Alabamans have the guts to commit economic suicide for the pedophile.

  88. 88.

    J R in WV

    The only time I voluntarily went to Alabama was back in 1983, when WVU played Kentucky and won. It was really cold. Dad paid the costs, and had a flask in his coat pocket, which we drank to keep from frostbite.

    We also went to the Bluebonnet Bowl the next year in Houston, and won again. After that was a long drought.

    I’ve driven through Alabama, but never stopped there, and never again went there on purpose. I was also there way back in the early 1970s while in the USN, and saw New Orleans music figure Dr. John the Night Tripper in Mobile. There was a small after show riot that broke giant sheets of glass in the lobby because they didn’t sell enough tix to pay Spirit to perform.

    We avoided the excitement after that took place, and I was only back again for the Bowl Game. Only planning to possibly pass through en route to other places in the future. All I know personally about Alabama is yetch!

  90. 90.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Both Ari Melber (not so surprising) and a reporter from the Wall St Journal are going to great lengths to explain that they’re reporting the White House story on the tweet and Dowd, that doesn’t mean they believe it

    @WaterGirl: here ya go.. I’ll defer to the lawyers, but it looks to me like this is Meuller once again letting witnesses and potential targets he doesn’t like to be fucked with.

    ETA: out of my price rage but if I could afford a fancy sedan I’d look at Mercedes. Not crazy about their SUV/crossover models

  91. 91.

    Corner Stone

    @matt: A threatened boycott by same-sex black immigrant yankees would only serve to harden the resolve of all Alabamans. They’d elect Moore to the Senate and also elect his lying ass wife to the SCOTUS after they ritually murdered a D one on the bench.

  92. 92.

    Brachiator

    @WaterGirl:

    All this tells me is that we aren’t going to know what’s up in this race until the voting is done. There is no way to predict this outcome.

    True enough. Unfortunately, I think that the people who are unwilling or reluctant to talk to pollsters are Moore supporters. I would love to be wrong, though.

  93. 93.

    B.B.A.

    @Yutsano: What about changing nyms to get around the spam filter? Is that still okay?

    Unlike certain other shitposters here, I can take a hint. I’m not discussing that topic anymore, because I aim to please.

  94. 94.

    WaterGirl

    @debbie: This whole crew is stupid and arrogant! Rule #1: Do not try to get cute with the guy who holds your life in his hands. Writing that editorial was like giving Mueller the middle finger. Stupid and arrogant.

  97. 97.

    JoeyJoeJoe Junior Shabadoo

    @Argiope:
    They used to be better . William McCulloch helped with the Civil Rights acts in the 1960s when he was the top Republican on the Judiciary committee

  99. 99.

    Corner Stone

    @Ridnik Chrome:

    I believe that even the worst sinner is capable of redemption.

    Call me what you will, but I desire that the worst sinner(s) meet(s) their maker ASAP and let him/her determine their redemption.

  104. 104.

    Raoul

    @KatieStPaul: Glad to hear that news of Stevenson’s project is getting out. I’ve been donating to EJI for a couple of years, ever since he spoke at a monthly townhall forum cosponsored by MN Public Radio and a local, very establishment downtown Minneapolis church. Stevenson is such an impressive example of a lawyer with deep compassion and a model for social change. Also heard him this year at my UU Denominational Annual Conference.
    Alabama has a lot of problems, but shouldn’t be written off. Learning the history of African Americans in the south is certainly one reason.

  105. 105.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Does Alan Dershowitz still teach at Harvard? Where Sean Spicer was a teaching fellow or some such? I feel a whole lot better about my second-tier degrees

  106. 106.

    sigaba

    I was on a shoot in Rome, GA near the Alabama border and we (being the crew) stayed at a lake house on Weiss lake, in a wide part of the Coosa river. It was beautiful. I’ve also been to Space Camp.

    I guess Mobile is nice, they shot Close Encounters of The Third Kind there, which is why all the kids supposedly from Muncie, Indiana all have thick southern accents.

    This concludes my knowledge of Alabama, it could be boycotted, but I don’t think they’d feel anything until we started cutting their medicare or maybe closing some bases.

  109. 109.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    In Utah! What would Brother Brigham say?

    Brian J. Karem‏Verified account @ BrianKarem
    Per pool reports: Trump motorcade runs into a “wall of protesters” signs include “Trump, a monumental mistake,” “Tiny Hands off our lands, and many chanting “F**K You Trump!”
    12:19 PM – 4 Dec 2017

  112. 112.

    Sloane Ranger

    @debbie: What the hell? You’d think his lawyers would have warned him about the consequences of violating his bail conditions. He’s either very stupid or very arrogant- and I don’t think he’s stupid.

    Hope he ends up discovering that orange is indeed the new black.

  114. 114.

    Mary G

    Don’t know if it’s true, but I hope it is. I think reducing national monuments by 2 million acres in Utah was a huge mistake. Utahns may be Republicans, but they are rightly proud of the national wonders in their state.

    Per pool reports: Trump motorcade runs into a "wall of protesters" signs include "Trump, a monumental mistake," "Tiny Hands off our lands, and many chanting "F**K You Trump!"— Brian J. Karem (@BrianKarem) December 4, 2017

  115. 115.

    Raoul

    @eclare: I should have known that. My partner and I went to Selma & Montgomery in 2015. Powerful visit, but we didn’t allow enough time given all there was to see and experience.

  117. 117.

    Roger Moore

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    My impression is there are a lot of passionate supporters of the National Monuments in the surrounding communities. There are also some passionate opponents, but there are enough people who are really angry about shrinking the Monuments that it’s not the tiniest bit surprising that there would be protests.

  122. 122.

    Roger Moore

    @Mary G:
    The problem is that it’s a polarizing issue, and Trump is very publicly siding with one side. There is a vocal group of Utahans who despise government ownership of land in their state because they want to exploit that land by mining, logging, and ranching. There’s another, less vocal group that sees tourism as a more practical, more sustainable way of making a living from that land. The Republicans have a long-term relationship with the people who want to do resource extraction, so they’ve sided with them on the National Monuments issue. I’m sure Republican hatred of minorities has also worked to drive their opposition to Bears Ears.

  123. 123.

    agorabum

    The Civil Rights Museum in Birmingham and the 16th Street Baptist Church are all amazing.
    Birmingham itself is a fun town; college vibe, good music, juke joint bars open into the early hours of the morning.

  124. 124.

    Mnemosyne

    @sigaba:

    all the kids supposedly from Muncie, Indiana all have thick southern accents

    Kids from Indiana have Southern accents. I’m from Illinois, I know.

  126. 126.

    Librarian

    There’s also Monroeville, home of Harper Lee and To Kill a Mockingbird, and very dependent on tourism.

  128. 128.

    Origuy

    The 2021 World Games are going to be in Birmingham, Alabama. The World Games are an off-year Olympics, featuring sports that aren’t in the regular Olympics. I was thinking about going, but I’m not sure now.

  130. 130.

    Nicole

    @Yutsano: I don’t like going to the beach, I don’t watch football and I don’t own a car. There is nothing I can threaten Alabama with boycotting that I’m not already ignoring. Le sigh.

  131. 131.

    Barry

    @Ridnik Chrome: “I dunno about boycotts, but if Moore actually gets elected, the Democrats should quietly approach a few high profile Republican women (Collins or Murkowski, maybe?) about switching parties.”

    Remember the tax vote? Those ‘moderate’ Republican ‘ladies’ caved.

    They didn’t have a problem with Trump, and they won’t have a problem with Moore.

  132. 132.

    PJ

    @different-church-lady: He wrote that because he was outraged at a petition circulating to have Polanski released from detention in Switzerland because he was a “great artist”. http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/msnbc-cuts-sam-seder-over-roman-polanski-rape-joke.html.
    http://www.indiewire.com/2009/09/over-100-in-film-community-sign-polanski-petition-55821/ Irony taken out of context loses much of its flavor after 8 years, and particularly for Americans who could never taste it anyway, but Seder was on point with his tweet.

  134. 134.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Mike in DC:

    allegedly is the missing term of art here.

    and when the accused was a professional comedian. But context or nuance are for the weak.

    So Trentrunner, should we shit can any husband who grouped his wife since women are so untouchable, no exceptions? Additional question; I am sure at a drunken party back in the 80s I grabbed a woman at lest once (statistically speaking it’s very likely I did, though I don’t recall, it was the 80s you know). Should I be terminated from from my current job?

    But let’s be honest here Trent, who among has hasn’t seen a woman in a clinging suite of body armor and thought “hmm, I got to tap that”. Women + Body Armor, an’t playing fair and Franken is only human.

  135. 135.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    If Moore is elected and seated, the state should be boycotted. I say this even though I have family and friends there, in the tech industries, in academics, fighting their asses off against the abomination that is Roy Moore.

    They aren’t the problem, of course. Neither are the college athletes (not even the Auburn ones). Or retirees like my mom, a poll worker and voting rights advocate for decades.

    But yes, financial pressure is available, and it should be applied.

  136. 136.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @PJ:

    I know irony is lost on Americans,

    Hypocrisy is lost on Americans. Not to mention we can’t be bothered to remember anything over four hours,

  137. 137.

    Ithink

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Because that dumb crazy cracker mother****** is a Freedom Caucus member; no further explanation is needed. They’re the wingnuttiest, vehemently reactionary and supply-side economic its am swallowers in all our great republic. Only the literal alt-right foot soldiers are REMOTELY a few notches below them. To say nothing of the pond scum rank & file that continue electing them.

  139. 139.

    eemom

    @Barry:

    Remember the tax vote? Those ‘moderate’ Republican ‘ladies’ caved.

    Exactly. And imo, they are the worst amongst their entire party of plutocrat whores for doing that — them and McCain — for betraying the tentative trust of millions that in fact they were different from the rest.

    Also, what a joke — Collins would have joined the Democratic party a million years ago if she were not, in fact, just another plutocrat whore.

  141. 141.

    Ladyraxterinok

    @Trentrunner II – Pie Is Squared: RW is using dem ideals vs dems. Same thing happening with Joy Reid. And Franken (altho that’s a bit different).

    Would think fact that Rachel and Joy seem to be friends would blunt the RW’s attack on Joy.

    We should be prepared for this type of attack vs all effective dem spokes people.

    We should also fight back with the immense number of sexual predators in the ministry, esp Evangelicals. See for examle Bruce Gerencser’s blog. And Bob Felton’s. Thewartburgwatch.com also posts frequently about this.

  143. 143.

    brendancalling

    Easy to boycott that dumb fucking state.
    BTW, if you go to the Space Center in Huntsville Alabama (as I have) they have a wonderful exhibition on the mission to the moon, which was led by noted Nazi Werner von Braun. They make absolutely NO MENTION of his background. Apparently he learned rocket science in 1938 and then he suddenly appeared in the US in the 1940s. The entire period between isn’t even MENTIONED.

    So yeah, easy to avoid Alabama. It’s not like they make anything.

  144. 144.

    Bill Arnold

    There is the Boll Weevil Monument in Enterprise, Alabama.
    One hopes that if the accused child molester wins and is seated in the Senate, that he is treated as he deserves in all Washington public spaces and commercial establishments.

  145. 145.

    Ajabu

    So yeah, easy to avoid Alabama. It’s not like they make anything.

    They DID make my gorgeous, chocolate brown bride of 26 years this month (well, her parents in Alabama did) but she hasn’t lived there in 40+ years. And I constantly remind her that she’s essentially a West Indian woman who was somehow born in Alabama. When I took her to the islands she was home, and really can’t abide Alabama culture.
    Still lots of family in Mobile, though. And they’re not going anywhere…

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    Regine Touchon

    @TenguPhule: I do. However we’re working our butts off trying to get Doug Jones elected. We are establishing a grass roots movement here in Lee County AL. To help get him over the finish line donate to his campaign.

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    Caphilldcne

    My family is all in Alabama and fighting the good fight. They ended up there cause my dad retired from USAF out of Maxwell AFB and frankly the land was cheaper than going back north. It’s nice having 20′ of water off your dock. It’s funny, even my sister’s gay friends (I’m gay so she keeps trying to introduce us) are pretty right wing down there (largely racism – none of them make any real money). Like everywhere it’s somewhat blue urban and very red rural and extremely hard to deal with. My niece is a fierce liberal in a catholic school and they don’t cut her much slack. My nephew (age 14 cut him a break – but I’ll be sad if it persists in college) went full MAGA. The whole family struggles with it. Anyway after 30 years of visiting I enjoy orange beach, and Huntsville and Birmingham, ok with Montgomery, love the Hank Williams museum (and gravesite), love the Biscuits baseball team, love the civil rights memorial and the civil rights park/museum and much more but I hate hate hate the naked racism.

    Wish they’d gotten out. But they are there. A little island of blue. My family will vote for Jones. I’ve donated. I hope this energized the very substantial political minority. In the end I think they’re gonna get left behind by the rest of America. And my fierce niece will move on. And Alabama will be left to marinate in its deluded dreams.

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