@Jerzy Russian: Jewish Zombies… Instead of mumbling brains they mumbled corned beef, corned beef. Also, they wouldn’t zombie from sundown Friday through sundown Saturday.
14.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jerzy Russian: Euripides wasn’t conscious of the human condition? Let’s not even address the Middle East and India.
15.
chopper
the American brick and mortar council is pissed as shit over this post.
16.
vhh
@Adam L Silverman: These days I am going back and forth between the US and Germany in connection with a big science project on the Baltic coast near the Polish border, not exactly Berlin, so it pays to work on my German. The German word Schickse means floozy. Just saying. As for Jared, the other Yiddish word that comes to mind is Goniff (thief).
17.
mai naem mobile
@Adam L Silverman: shonda,shondier and shondiest??
I think Vanki is more concerned about doing time in the Big House not the White House.
Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
The core hypothesis is scoffed at by academics, but it’s one of the most thought-provoking books I’ve ever read. The chapter on “What is consciousnes _not_?” was eye-opening at the time.
20.
vhh
It turns out that Yiddish word for swindlers like Jared is Zhulik, which, fittingly, means the same thing in Russian.
@eclare: hey, dirt is something that gives you something to walk on. It’s used to create the genius flat stable area under cement for your homes. Vanki ain’t doing even that.
24.
Adam L Silverman
@vhh: Balloon Juice: come for the snarling jackalness, stay for the Yiddish linguistics lessons.
25.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Adam L Silverman: I’m sure you meant to type CE rather than AD. I recently had the experience of having to explain to a lawyer why the Jewish years were different. It came up when I asked our Jewish colleague what year it would be after Rosh Hashanah, and this guy asked “why would the years be different?” Obviously I let the Jewish colleague elaborate on why the Jewish calendar preceded the one split BC/AD…
26.
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Re: Jooish zombies: I thought their mumbling would be “brains …. oy!” or some such.
As for Miller: I don’t think shonda can be big enough to encompass the evil that is Miller.
@joel hanes:
It is thought-provoking, and not even necessary to accept without reservation.
The idea that people experienced consciousness differently than we do, that figures in antiquity heard the voice of God in a way we find hard to imagine as anything other than schizophrenia is intriguing if only to propose that our understanding of consciousness itself evolves over time.
31.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: It seems to originate in the southern Slavic languages, from where it would have moved into the Yiddish – the etymology points to roots in Bulgarian and Serbo-Croatian.
And she would have succeeded if it weren’t for those meddling kids!
34.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@vhh: I once taught a 3rd grader to call people who annoyed him “gonif” (instead of douche bag) with 2 thoughts. 1) I’d told him he couldn’t call people douche bags even though he’d heard it from his maternal grandfather and 2) I believed it unlikely that one at his school would know Yiddish, but was not confident enough to suggest “yutz.” You can see where it went. He got in a spat and called a kid a gonif, and when the teacher got involved and asked what gonif meant, he told her it meant douche bag.
Kim Kardashian says she wants to be president, too. She probably has a better chance than Ivanka does since she has an actual fan base.
Not to worry. Ivanka is going to France to study “Racist Demagoguery for Women,” taught by Prof Mlle Marine le Pen. [She considered staying home, and having Daddy give her lessons, but she realizes he’s a moron.]
our understanding of consciousness itself evolves over time
And not just consciousness.
Hypnotism is weird. There’s a set of phenomena and behaviors we now associate with being hypnotized, but they’re not the same as in the day of the early hypnotists.
41.
sdhays
@Mnemosyne: I don’t know much about her, but however horrible (or wonderful!) she is, I’d crawl through broken glass to vote for her over Ivanka. At least there’s a chance she wouldn’t betray our country to the Russians.
@Mnemosyne: She also wanted to be mayor of Glendale. Couple of problems: she doesn’t live in Glendale, and our mayor isn’t elected(rotates between city council members).
46.
laura
@joel hanes: That book! Wow, did it make a lasting impression on me. Thanks for the reference.
The vapidness of that insufferable couple, their distain for what they don’t know and don’t value, and belief that they are entitled to financialize the Office of the President, as if it’s just another deal. Gaah…
47.
Amir Khalid
@Adam L Silverman:
Amazingly enough, there is no 0 year in the Western calendar. The year after 1 BC was 1 AD.
48.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: For many punks, 1977 was Year Zero. It worked as well as the French renaming months.
49.
NobodySpecial
@Omnes Omnibus: Year Zero was a fantastic album, almost as good as The Downward Spiral.
@joel hanes: Thanks, joel, I had gone to bed by the time you posted this and when I made my original post, I couldn’t remember Jaynes’ name or the title of the book. It sure is an interesting read.
I think the point of the book is not that our understanding of consciousness has changed at some point in the near past, but that consciousness itself changed at some point in the near past. Using the word near to mean not millions of years ago, which wouldn’t be such a stretch, but a couple of thousand years.
And the biggest point of that change was that instead of two separate consciousnesses living in our head, one of which could be thought to be a voice from a god or the gods, we suddenly had just the one solitary voice in our head, or at least most people only have one. Can’t speak for the folks who still hear God, or the Gods. At least I can’t.
Can you explain the differences between hypnotism today and hypnotism in the days of Mesmer and other inventors of hypnotism? or provide hints about where to look up same?
Because I’ve never heard this. Will read about no blue next, with the knowledge that many things that were painted a gorgeous azure blue originally gradually turned green as the azurite blue mineral the paint was mixed from pseudomorphed into malachite, a beautiful green mineral which won’t make your paint blue any more. Walls and art paintings changed color to green years after they were made with blue hues.
Wow, ancient languages mostly had no words for blue, and the ocean was “wine-dark” to a famous Greek poet. Evidently words for colors make it much easier for people to actually see those colors, even today. Go figure.
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Spinoza Is My Co-Pilot
“She IS as dumb as a goddamned brick”
Of course she is, as her “architecting” nonsense proved a while back. As her “very stable genius” father is, too (maybe he didn’t used to be, as some have claimed in trying to establish a possible current onset of dementia, but he sure as hell is now, whatever the cause).
And so were W and Reagan, both got two terms. Showing what a ridiculously fucked-up electorate we have. Which is why, as unlikely as it surely seems, given some particular set of unusual circumstances (like Orangemandias got in ’16) a President Ivanka is not entirely unpossible.
More likely, we’ll have something much worse to contend with, like a charming and competent fascist at just the “right” electoral moment. America (actual voting America, that is) would eat that shit up.
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debbie
I’m surprised her father let her say that.
Jeffro
In all fairness to her, Betty, she can’t be president (“a new day!”) unless we get her stumblebum dad out of there first…
lamh36
ugh…is there anything this damn family won’t latch on to…ugh.
this says to me Ivanka really thinks egotistical enough, to really buy into her someday wanting to become Prez
Adam L Silverman
I’m pretty sure the codename the Secret Service uses for her is shiksa. Jared’s is shonda. Stephen Miller is even bigger shonda.
Jerzy Russian
You are being unfair to bricks with that comparison.
eclare
A brick at least serves a useful purpose…I have several of them in the walls of my house.
Omnes Omnibus
Counsel for bricks is holding on line one. Something about defamation and apologies, etc.
cope
There is an hypothesis that human consciousness only came into existence about 2,000 years ago (references available on request).
The complete and utter lack of self-awareness of these people makes me wonder if they are genetic throwbacks to our preconscious ancestors.
Jerzy Russian
@eclare: They also give us places to poop.
Jerzy Russian
@cope:
Unconscious people built the pyramids, Stonehenge, etc.?
Adam L Silverman
@cope: In 0 AD?
eclare
@Jerzy Russian: Hahaha…she is dumber than dirt.
Adam L Silverman
@Jerzy Russian: Jewish Zombies… Instead of mumbling brains they mumbled corned beef, corned beef. Also, they wouldn’t zombie from sundown Friday through sundown Saturday.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jerzy Russian: Euripides wasn’t conscious of the human condition? Let’s not even address the Middle East and India.
chopper
the American brick and mortar council is pissed as shit over this post.
vhh
@Adam L Silverman: These days I am going back and forth between the US and Germany in connection with a big science project on the Baltic coast near the Polish border, not exactly Berlin, so it pays to work on my German. The German word Schickse means floozy. Just saying. As for Jared, the other Yiddish word that comes to mind is Goniff (thief).
mai naem mobile
@Adam L Silverman: shonda,shondier and shondiest??
I think Vanki is more concerned about doing time in the Big House not the White House.
chopper
@Omnes Omnibus:
Euripides was more concerned about his pants.
joel hanes
@cope:
references
Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
The core hypothesis is scoffed at by academics, but it’s one of the most thought-provoking books I’ve ever read. The chapter on “What is consciousnes _not_?” was eye-opening at the time.
vhh
It turns out that Yiddish word for swindlers like Jared is Zhulik, which, fittingly, means the same thing in Russian.
Quinerly
@Omnes Omnibus: 4th BJ laugh of the day.?
Omnes Omnibus
@chopper: You played rugby?
mai naem mobile
@eclare: hey, dirt is something that gives you something to walk on. It’s used to create the genius flat stable area under cement for your homes. Vanki ain’t doing even that.
Adam L Silverman
@vhh: Balloon Juice: come for the snarling jackalness, stay for the Yiddish linguistics lessons.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Adam L Silverman: I’m sure you meant to type CE rather than AD. I recently had the experience of having to explain to a lawyer why the Jewish years were different. It came up when I asked our Jewish colleague what year it would be after Rosh Hashanah, and this guy asked “why would the years be different?” Obviously I let the Jewish colleague elaborate on why the Jewish calendar preceded the one split BC/AD…
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Re: Jooish zombies: I thought their mumbling would be “brains …. oy!” or some such.
As for Miller: I don’t think shonda can be big enough to encompass the evil that is Miller.
Jerzy Russian
@joel hanes:
Hmm, I wonder why.
SFAW
@chopper:
Eumenides?
Adam L Silverman
Ruh Roh!
Chip Daniels
@joel hanes:
It is thought-provoking, and not even necessary to accept without reservation.
The idea that people experienced consciousness differently than we do, that figures in antiquity heard the voice of God in a way we find hard to imagine as anything other than schizophrenia is intriguing if only to propose that our understanding of consciousness itself evolves over time.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: It seems to originate in the southern Slavic languages, from where it would have moved into the Yiddish – the etymology points to roots in Bulgarian and Serbo-Croatian.
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Sorry, Blazing Saddles is my go-to.
Jerzy Russian
@Adam L Silverman:
And she would have succeeded if it weren’t for those meddling kids!
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@vhh: I once taught a 3rd grader to call people who annoyed him “gonif” (instead of douche bag) with 2 thoughts. 1) I’d told him he couldn’t call people douche bags even though he’d heard it from his maternal grandfather and 2) I believed it unlikely that one at his school would know Yiddish, but was not confident enough to suggest “yutz.” You can see where it went. He got in a spat and called a kid a gonif, and when the teacher got involved and asked what gonif meant, he told her it meant douche bag.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Kim Kardashian says she wants to be president, too. She probably has a better chance than Ivanka does since she has an actual fan base.
Another Scott
@cope: Similarly, (supposedly) humans only became able to see blue relatively recently.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Oopsie.
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
Not to worry. Ivanka is going to France to study “Racist Demagoguery for Women,” taught by Prof Mlle Marine le Pen. [She considered staying home, and having Daddy give her lessons, but she realizes he’s a moron.]
joel hanes
@Jerzy Russian:
I wasn’t advocating nor defending Jaynes’s “bicameral mind” hypothesis; I think it’s likely mostly incorrect.
I would say that some of the questions explored in the book are not yet fully nor satisfyingly answered.
joel hanes
@Chip Daniels:
our understanding of consciousness itself evolves over time
And not just consciousness.
Hypnotism is weird. There’s a set of phenomena and behaviors we now associate with being hypnotized, but they’re not the same as in the day of the early hypnotists.
sdhays
@Mnemosyne: I don’t know much about her, but however horrible (or wonderful!) she is, I’d crawl through broken glass to vote for her over Ivanka. At least there’s a chance she wouldn’t betray our country to the Russians.
Omnes Omnibus
@sdhays: She spoke out against Trump.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: that’s hilarious
and I’ll note that “dumb as a brick” is one of the points that no one from camp trumpy is bothering to try to dispute
sdhays
@Omnes Omnibus: Then I’ll walk over hot coals to vote for her too.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: She also wanted to be mayor of Glendale. Couple of problems: she doesn’t live in Glendale, and our mayor isn’t elected(rotates between city council members).
laura
@joel hanes: That book! Wow, did it make a lasting impression on me. Thanks for the reference.
The vapidness of that insufferable couple, their distain for what they don’t know and don’t value, and belief that they are entitled to financialize the Office of the President, as if it’s just another deal. Gaah…
Amir Khalid
@Adam L Silverman:
Amazingly enough, there is no 0 year in the Western calendar. The year after 1 BC was 1 AD.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: For many punks, 1977 was Year Zero. It worked as well as the French renaming months.
NobodySpecial
@Omnes Omnibus: Year Zero was a fantastic album, almost as good as The Downward Spiral.
cope
@joel hanes: Thanks, joel, I had gone to bed by the time you posted this and when I made my original post, I couldn’t remember Jaynes’ name or the title of the book. It sure is an interesting read.
cope
@Another Scott: That is interesting. I catch Radiolab pretty frequently but missed that one.
Shana
@vhh: putz also works
J R in WV
@Chip Daniels:
I think the point of the book is not that our understanding of consciousness has changed at some point in the near past, but that consciousness itself changed at some point in the near past. Using the word near to mean not millions of years ago, which wouldn’t be such a stretch, but a couple of thousand years.
And the biggest point of that change was that instead of two separate consciousnesses living in our head, one of which could be thought to be a voice from a god or the gods, we suddenly had just the one solitary voice in our head, or at least most people only have one. Can’t speak for the folks who still hear God, or the Gods. At least I can’t.
J R in WV
@joel hanes:
Can you explain the differences between hypnotism today and hypnotism in the days of Mesmer and other inventors of hypnotism? or provide hints about where to look up same?
Because I’ve never heard this. Will read about no blue next, with the knowledge that many things that were painted a gorgeous azure blue originally gradually turned green as the azurite blue mineral the paint was mixed from pseudomorphed into malachite, a beautiful green mineral which won’t make your paint blue any more. Walls and art paintings changed color to green years after they were made with blue hues.
Wow, ancient languages mostly had no words for blue, and the ocean was “wine-dark” to a famous Greek poet. Evidently words for colors make it much easier for people to actually see those colors, even today. Go figure.
Spinoza Is My Co-Pilot
“She IS as dumb as a goddamned brick”
Of course she is, as her “architecting” nonsense proved a while back. As her “very stable genius” father is, too (maybe he didn’t used to be, as some have claimed in trying to establish a possible current onset of dementia, but he sure as hell is now, whatever the cause).
And so were W and Reagan, both got two terms. Showing what a ridiculously fucked-up electorate we have. Which is why, as unlikely as it surely seems, given some particular set of unusual circumstances (like Orangemandias got in ’16) a President Ivanka is not entirely unpossible.
More likely, we’ll have something much worse to contend with, like a charming and competent fascist at just the “right” electoral moment. America (actual voting America, that is) would eat that shit up.