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You are here: Home / Politics / America / Release the Memo: 24 Hours Later

Release the Memo: 24 Hours Later

by Adam L Silverman|  January 19, 20189:21 pm| 142 Comments

This post is in: America, Domestic Politics, Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Politics, Popular Culture, Post-racial America, Silverman on Security, Not Normal

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Late yesterday evening I addressed the quickly developing disinformation campaign being called release the memo after the hashtag of the same name. I specifically wrote:

Apparently Congressman Nunes, or folks working for/with him on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, have produced a four page memo alleging significant abuse of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by the Obama Administration, specifically the Department of Justice and the FBI, against Republicans. The memo is supposedly classified. This has led to the creation of a release the memo hashtag (click at your own risk of sanity). This would seem to explain Sean Hannity’s opening tease on Fox News tonight.

And:

It is hard to get decent info at this point, but if I’m following all this correctly the memo being referred to is the result of Congressman Nunes’ monomania regarding lawful unmasking by the Obama Administration in 2015 and 2016 and the attempt to create a controversy and scandal over FISA violations as reported by the chronically wrong and easily duped John Solomon at The Hill, as well as his equally odious, one sided, and misleading reporting on the text messages between two FBI officials during the campaign.

 

Twenty-four hours later we have more clarity on exactly how the alleged memo was created and the purpose to which it is being put. Hamilton68, funded by the German Marshall Fund to track Russian active measures on social media, has been tracking the release the memo hashtag.

Natasha Bertrand at Business Insider has further details.

Russia-linked Twitter bots have jumped on the bandwagon.

#ReleaseTheMemo is the top-trending hashtag among Twitter accounts linked to Russian influence operations, according to Hamilton 68, a website launched last year that says it tracks Russian propaganda in near-real time.

The frequency with which the accounts have been promoting the hashtag has spiked by 233,000% over the past 48 hours, according to the site. The accounts’ references to the “memo,” meanwhile, have increased by 68,000%.

The most-shared domain among the accounts has been WikiLeaks, and the most-shared URL has been a link to WikiLeaks’ “submit” page.

WikiLeaks said on Thursday that it would reward anyone with access to the “FISA abuse memo” who chooses to submit it to the site. The Russia-linked accounts have evidently been sharing the “submit” page to push the memo’s release.

Bret Schafer, a communications coordinator at the German Marshall Fund’s Alliance for Securing Democracy who tracks the Hamilton 68 accounts, said he “certainly can’t remember” the last time the researchers had seen a topic “promoted to this level” by the Russia-linked bots and trolls.

“On a normal day, our top hashtag is typically used around 400 times in a 48-hour period by the network we track,” he said in an email on Friday.

“As of right now, #ReleaseTheMemo has been used over 3,000 times (and five other related hashtags are in the top 10),” he said. “In total, they’ve easily shared more than 4,500 hashtags on the topic in the past two days, and our top URL is Assange’s offer to pay for a copy of the memo. That certainly seems to be a sign of a coordinated effort by the bots and trolls.”

Congressman Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Select Permanent Committee on Intelligence – and the only member of that committee to actually successfully prosecute an espionage case – had this to say:

a profoundly misleading set of talking points drafted by Republican staff attacking the FBI and its handling of the investigation. Rife with factual inaccuracies and referencing highly classified materials that most of Republican Intelligence Committee members were forced to acknowledge they had never read, this is meant only to give Republican House members a distorted view of the FBI. This may help carry White House water, but it is a deep disservice to our law enforcement professionals.”

Where does this leave our beleaguered hero Congressman Nunes, the chairman of the House Select Permanent Committee on Intelligence? According to GOP strategist Rick Wilson he’s right in the thick of things.

Anon sends:

"Pssssst. The Memo is just the Strozk texts, again. This time repackaged by a nunes staffer."

Do with this what you will. I'm making no judgement yet.

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 19, 2018

Anon sends again:

"This is theater. Nunes staff briefed Fox (Hannity) ahead of time."

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 19, 2018

Also, OpSec people, OpSec!!!!!

And whoever anon is, he at least uses Protonmail. Props.

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 19, 2018

Wilson’s anonymous source has now been verified by subsequent reporting.

One thing about that document: Republican staffers wrote it.

Even the most plugged-in news consumer could be forgiven for thinking the classified memo is an executive branch document that exposes wrongdoing within the Justice Department and the FBI. It isn’t.

The document, which alleges abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act during the FBI’s quiet counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign in the final months of the 2016 election, was actually compiled by Republican staffers on the House Intelligence Committee. That committee voted along partisan lines this week to allow any member of Congress to take a peek at the document themselves. Republican members soon flocked to a secure room to read the memo written by their allies — and then ran to tell the press about it.

If the memo does eventually go public, it won’t end well for Republicans, Susan Hennessey, the executive editor of the legal commentary site Lawfare, argued Friday. “After causing completely unnecessary chaos today, this memo will be released in some redacted [form] in a few weeks and prove to be an utter embarrassment to Nunes personally, the [House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence] majority, and frankly to US House of Representatives,” Hennessey predict

What I estimated last night was correct.

Since these (the Simpson transcripts just released by HPSCI) basically shoot everything Congressman Nunes, Congressman Gaetz, Congressman DeSantis, Congressman Jordan, and several other GOP members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Oversight, Justice, or other committees have been saying about the Special Counsel and his investigation and the FBI’s role in the counterintelligence investigation pertaining to the President that was begun in July 2016, they needed to do something to change the narrative. Enter the four page classified memo supposedly alleging that the Obama Administration, the DOJ, the FBI, and other parts of the US Intel Community were all conspiring against Republicans and conservatives in general and the President, his businesses, and his campaign in specific. Leaked to Fox News and teed up for Sean Hannity’s diatribe for an audience of one this evening. Given what happened the last time that Congressman Nunes tried to get creative in screening fire for the President, I fully expect that if this memo is ever declassified it won’t survive first contact with the actual subject matter experts the news media brings in to consult on it. Except, of course, for Fox News, talk radio, the alt-right news media (Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, etc) and social media crowd, Wikileaks, RT, and Sputnik. They’ll all, amazingly, have the exact same talking points. As will the White House, the President on twitter, and the aforementioned GOP members of Congress. This amount of coincidence takes a lot of work!

This is a desperate play to try to change the subject, to try to divert the news media’s attention, and it appears to have been fed to one of the specific Fox News personalities that we know are tailoring their programming directly to and for the President. Anyone want to estimate the over/under that Congressman Nunes actually either gave Hannity the memo he cobbled together or just read it to him, despite the fact that it was classified because it cherry picks material from classified DOJ, FBI, and US Intelligence Community information? Finally, releasing a partisan staff product memo isn’t going to answer any actual questions.

The only way to put the issue to bed would be to declassify and release the FISA warrant application. That is not going to happen. And you’ll notice that Congressman Nunes, nor his exceedingly shrill partners in crime – Congressman Gaetz, Congressman DeSantis, Congressman King (IA), Congressman Meadows,  Congressman Jordan, Congressman Zeldin, Sean Hannity, Wikileakes, etc – are actually calling for that to happen. All they want is Congressman Nunes cherry picked material disseminated to create maximum outrage and diversion. Which is, apparently, what Russian state media, Russian intelligence funded trolls, Russian controlled bots, Russia’s fellow travelers on the alt-right, the Fox News personalities who are programming their shows to speak to an audience of one (the President), and these members of Congress all want. This is a strange convergence of interests. And this is why they are all using the exact same talking points, messaging, and language. A lot of work went into creating this coincidence.

Updated at 9:26 PM EST

Here’s an example of the clear eyed, quality thinking that has gone into releasing the memo:

GOP frosh Matt Gaetz, who wants Mueller fired, insisted to me that the FBI texts explicitly showed they were “talking about a plan to strategically leak information to embarrass Trump.”

They don’t.

I asked him to explain. Here’s how that went for him. https://t.co/NoFUNv2rGc pic.twitter.com/YaLbrUxbjU

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) January 20, 2018

Genius!

Stay frosty (or warm if you’re where it’s cold)!

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142Comments

  1. 1.

    jharp

    January 19, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    Game on.

    Lots of soiled underwear in Camp Trump.

  2. 2.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 19, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    Nunes needs to pay for this.

    With a prison term.

  3. 3.

    Redshift

    January 19, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    “I have here in my hand a list…” Actual McCarthy tactics from the treason weasels who try to tar any mention of Russia as McCarthyism.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    January 19, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    Mueller needs to indict some more folks soon.

  5. 5.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 19, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    Russia’s fellow travelers on the alt-right

    Don’t forget Russia’s fellow travelers on the “left”.

  6. 6.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    Just added this as an update. They’re not sending their best, though some, I assume, are fine people…

    GOP frosh Matt Gaetz, who wants Mueller fired, insisted to me that the FBI texts explicitly showed they were “talking about a plan to strategically leak information to embarrass Trump.”

    They don’t.

    I asked him to explain. Here’s how that went for him. https://t.co/NoFUNv2rGc pic.twitter.com/YaLbrUxbjU

    — Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) January 20, 2018

  7. 7.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    @jharp: Ew.

  8. 8.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 9:30 pm

    If they’re so concerned about FISA abuse then why did Nunes, Zeldin, Gaetz, DeSantis
    vote to reauthorize it just 7 days ago.

    crocodile tears.

  9. 9.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:30 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Actually so far those usual suspects have been pretty good. Either quiet or pointing out why this is stupid. At least as far as I saw as I try not to go looking for that stuff.

  10. 10.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 9:30 pm

    #Trumpshutdown trending worldwide.

  11. 11.

    Reformed Panty Sniffer

    January 19, 2018 at 9:30 pm

    Al these machinations by Republicans to divert the Mueller investigation make me wonder how many members of Congress are themselves somehow involved with the Russians. What kind of kompromat does Putin have on them? I read somewhere that Nunes has had some financial dealings with Russian entities in the past. Who else in Congress?

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    January 19, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    Watching the countdown clock ⏰ on MSNBC

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    January 19, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    @Reformed Panty Sniffer:
    Repeat after me
    Nunes ‘ business partners are Russians with ties to PUTIN

  14. 14.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 19, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    We are way past ‘boy who cried wolf’ territory. This will play with the people who would echo any stupid thing without caring what it is, and with no one else. By all means, release the memo, so we can laugh at how stupid it is.

  15. 15.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 9:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They’re not sending their best

    Consider the terrifying probability that these are, in fact, their best.

  16. 16.

    AnotherBruce

    January 19, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    So this proves correlation between Hannity on Fox News, Nunes, Assange, soon to be Trump and the Russians? Aw hell skip “correlation” and call it collusion.

  17. 17.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    @Reformed Panty Sniffer: Here you go:
    https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

  18. 18.

    Baud

    January 19, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    Rachel’s covering to the inauguration donation scam.

  19. 19.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:38 pm

    @dmsilev: Actually, I saw someone reference that in terms of the White House staff. That as this initial batch of folks are worn down and leave over the next few weeks, they’re going to be replaced by the B, C, and D listers. Frightening thought, isn’t it?

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 9:38 pm

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Washington Post:

    Administration officials acknowledged that many federal employees were not notified until Thursday or Friday that they could be affected, much later than would be typical. In 2013, more than 800,000 federal employees were sent home without pay for 16 days. The reason many weren’t given more advance warning this time is because senior administration officials said they didn’t realize the shutdown threat was real until days ago.

    What’s next, “the dog ate my homework appropriations bill”?

  21. 21.

    Dave

    January 19, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: There is something I’m missing here. Lets just play pretend that some part of this is true on or more if the FISA applications was initiated as a result of information brought forward in the Steele dossier. Why would this matter? As in would it matter legally at all or is it merely a straw table for desperate idiots to pound even if it was true?

  22. 22.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    Jon Wertheim
    ‏Verified account @jon_wertheim

    Upset alert…Lauren Davis, pride of Cleveland, playing like a river on fire, taking on number #1 Halep #AustralianOpen

    5 replies 10 retweets 44 likes

    okay, that’s funny.

    Tai
    ‏ @phillyphantai

    This match between Simona Halep and Lauren Davis is EVERYTHING!!! 2 Lil powerhouses out there…this is a great match! #AusOpen #HalepVsDavis #WTA ???

    1 reply 1 retweet 1 like

    Grrl power

  23. 23.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I saw an analysis somewhere noting that turnover in this White House is far higher than is normal for the first year of a Presidency. And the first year or two are usually the most productive.

  24. 24.

    Mike in NC

    January 19, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    @Reformed Panty Sniffer:

    Who else in Congress?

    Seems like there are dozens of GOP congressmen and senators on the FSB payroll.

  25. 25.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Those damn Russian bots and trolls are really fickle.

  26. 26.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:44 pm

    @AnotherBruce: I’m not sure it proves anything. As in what we have counts as actual evidence that is actionable in a court of law. It is certainly enough for intelligence analysis purposes. As I’ve repeatedly said: this much coincidence takes a lot of work.

  27. 27.

    SFAW

    January 19, 2018 at 9:44 pm

    I half-expect they’ll say they hacked that memo from Hitlary’s server. Along with a ton of Rosatom e-mails to her, and her confession that she murdered Vince Foster with her bare hands (or her fangs).

    On the other hand, I keep hoping for the day that Mueller goes on primetime TV and say “And YOU get a treason indictment, and YOU get a treason indictment, and YOU get one …” usw. That would be cool.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:45 pm

    @dmsilev: I believe I covered that last night.

  29. 29.

    rikyrah

    January 19, 2018 at 9:46 pm

    @Baud:
    She is the only one on television who has been following this.

  30. 30.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    and we’re tied again: 8-8 in the 3rd set

    Ben Rothenberg
    ‏Verified account @BenRothenberg

    Have wondered for a while now why Lauren Davis hasn’t become more of a cult favorite. Undersized player with an entertaining game, sweet personality and lots of quirks.

    22 replies 6 retweets 71 likes

  31. 31.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 9:50 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I was trying to actually do some productive work last night, so couldn’t do too much blog-reading.

  32. 32.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 19, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Gaetz is not, obviously, a very bright person.

  33. 33.

    Corner Stone

    January 19, 2018 at 9:54 pm

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Davis better finish this set soon or she’s going to cramp out.

  34. 34.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:54 pm

    @Dave: Correct. Despite both the Senate Judiciary transcript and the HSPCI transcripts of Simpson’s testimonies indicating that when Steele took his initial memo to the FBI they indicated that they’d already opened the counterintelligence investigation because they had a source from within the campaign. That source has been identified as Papadapolous who got drunk and bragged about what the Russians had and wanted to do to help the campaign to the Australian High Commissioner at a pub in London. The latter gentlemen informed Australian intel, which then notified the US intel community through the Five Eyes network.

    But even if the FBI and DOJ had included some material from the Steele dossier, or at that point the first few memos as that’s all that existed at that time in mid 2016, it wouldn’t matter. A FISA warrant is still a warrant. Law enforcement, in this case the FBI vetted by the DOJ office that does QA/QC on FISA warrant requests, puts down the probable cause that justifies asking for the warrant. Not irrefutable facts as evidence at trial. So including material from Steele’s investigation wouldn’t be a problem. The FBI, like law enforcement across the US when seeking warrants, includes material as probable cause from a wide range of informants. A lot of whom are criminals who are working as confidential informants. If that’s okay, then certainly referring to material provided by a highly decorated allied intelligence agent is okay too.

  35. 35.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:55 pm

    @dmsilev: Yep and yep.

  36. 36.

    Corner Stone

    January 19, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: He’s the guy parents tell their kids not to help look for their lost puppy in the park.

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    @SFAW: I’m waiting for the investigation into how the Clinton Foundation was used to defraud Dutch tulip investors before the crash. In 1673 1637.

  38. 38.

    Anonymous At Work

    January 19, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    I say, release the memo. Democrats then subpoena the authors, put them under Oath, and turn over all their time to Schiff. Much merriment ensues?

  39. 39.

    chris

    January 19, 2018 at 9:58 pm

    @dmsilev:

    The Stormy Shithole Shutdown Showdown— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) January 20, 2018

  40. 40.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 9:59 pm

    @dmsilev: I was teasing. No worries here.

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Daddy bought him out of multiple DUIs. Daddy then bought him a state of Florida legislative seat. Daddy then bought him his current seat in the House.

    I think I’m beginning to see a pattern.

  42. 42.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 19, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: The Clinton Foundation probably also had a hand in the Mississippi Bubble and the South Seas Bubble.

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:02 pm

    @Anonymous At Work: Democrats, as the minority on every committee in both the House and the Senate, have no power to subpoena anyone. Or set schedules, agendas, etc.

  44. 44.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 10:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Not 1637?

  45. 45.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 19, 2018 at 10:04 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They’re not sending their best, though some, I assume, are fine people…

    Snorfle.

  46. 46.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 10:06 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: No worries, I’m good Still a bit shell-shocked from spending several hours yesterday arguing with my computer (translating a 25 page manuscript filled with figures and equations from Word to LaTeX. It’s the sort of experience H.P. Lovecraft wrote about).

  47. 47.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:07 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Also, El Nino and La Nina, which more and more people are saying, are here illegally.

  48. 48.

    Corner Stone

    January 19, 2018 at 10:07 pm

    @dmsilev: Latex? You have a Stormy Daniels story, also too?

  49. 49.

    SFAW

    January 19, 2018 at 10:07 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m waiting for the investigation into how the Clinton Foundation was used to defraud Dutch tulip investors before the crash. In 1673.

    Their perfidy knows no bounds. And Obama’s as well, because he apparently let them use his time machine.

    History’s Greatest Monsters, indeed.

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: You’re right, I transcribed it wrong. I’ll go fix it.

  51. 51.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Are you suggesting that the Clinton Foundation, with help from George Soros and Al Gore (who is fat), are responsible for bitcoin and that bubble? Because I could totally buy that.

    That would make it Hillary’s fault that all those video-gamer types can’t buy new graphics cards right now.

  52. 52.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:09 pm

    @dmsilev: I haven’t used LaTeX since I was trying to learn R commands. That didn’t end well for anyone.

  53. 53.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:10 pm

    #TrumpShutdown pic.twitter.com/c6OY1c6A7l

    — Charles Walsh (@cwalsh516) January 20, 2018

  54. 54.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 10:11 pm

    and we’re tied at 10-10. wow.

  55. 55.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 10:11 pm

    @Corner Stone: The niche market for videos of people being beaten with rolled-up copies of Physical Review Letters is (hopefully) quite small. Though, Internet Rule 34 says that it does exist.

  56. 56.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:12 pm

    Not shocking news, but a bit of color: GOP source tells me Trump is furious about the shutdown, which is messing up his anniversary and keeping him from going to Mar-a-Lago for his party.

    — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) January 20, 2018

  57. 57.

    debbie

    January 19, 2018 at 10:12 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    That’s not a bar to anything, unfortunately.

  58. 58.

    divF

    January 19, 2018 at 10:14 pm

    @dmsilev:

    translating a 25 page manuscript filled with figures and equations from Word to LaTeX

    My sincerest sympathies.
    ETA: I try to get my scientific collaborators to write proposals in LaTeX. I win that argument less than 50% of the time, unfortunately. Then they regret it when it is crunch time and you have six authors passing around a Word document.

  59. 59.

    NotMax

    January 19, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    Four page memo. Translation:

    Title page. Two extra-wide margined pages of 36-point type, triple-spaced, plus a few words on the last page.

  60. 60.

    debbie

    January 19, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And that is what makes all this drama so enjoyable!

  61. 61.

    sdhays

    January 19, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, I guess I’ll go pick out my stone then.

  62. 62.

    SFAW

    January 19, 2018 at 10:16 pm

    @dmsilev:

    That would make it Hillary’s fault that all those video-gamer types can’t buy new graphics cards right now.

    Mining cryptocurrency? I must be older than I thought, because I thought you had to have something tangible to mine. No, I don’t want an explanation of what it means.

    But I also note the similarity of “blockchain” to “chain migration,” and am wondering if it’s all a scheme by illegal brown people to rob our nation of its precious bodily fluids.

  63. 63.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 10:17 pm

    #TrumpShutdown
    416K Tweets

    Pretty overwhelming. The shithead is hitting the fan.

  64. 64.

    Yarrow

    January 19, 2018 at 10:18 pm

    Doug Jones: "as of right now I'll be voting for the CR."He says CHIP is too big to pass up.— Paul Kane (@pkcapitol) January 20, 2018

    Another reporter said a Republican Senator said they’re “hopeful” because some Dems have broken ranks. I think it’s just Schumer giving some permission to vote yes. Still not enough votes.

  65. 65.

    frosty

    January 19, 2018 at 10:18 pm

    @dmsilev: That’s some Rule, that Rule 34.

  66. 66.

    Corner Stone

    January 19, 2018 at 10:19 pm

    Of course Davis is cramping. That’s why Halep has been rushing this whole set.

  67. 67.

    Yarrow

    January 19, 2018 at 10:19 pm

    .@JohnCornyn to reporters: "No deal."— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) January 20, 2018

  68. 68.

    Cermet

    January 19, 2018 at 10:20 pm

    Makes one nostalgic for the anthrax mad man murderer (the south African rightwing nutcase) and his letter writing campaign to congressman – assuming he realized he had even crazier nut jobs now running congress and decided to thin the heard in order so he could, again, be the craziest nut case remaining. He’d be one busy letter writer with today’s huge number of congress/white house loons.

  69. 69.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 19, 2018 at 10:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, since Trump is so rich(as he has repeatably told us) he can foot to bill to get to his own damn party.

  70. 70.

    NotMax

    January 19, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    Senate voting playing a hand of Fizzbin.

  71. 71.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    Happy Anniversary!

  72. 72.

    SFAW

    January 19, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    he can foot to bill to get to his own damn party.

    Will the airlines accept rubles?

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    January 19, 2018 at 10:24 pm

    More than 40 noes.

  74. 74.

    sdhays

    January 19, 2018 at 10:25 pm

    @Yarrow: That’s how I read it. If it’s not going to pass, there’s no reason for them to stick out their neck. Although if they did, then I don’t think the bill would even achieve 50 votes in the Senate, which should then pretty much end any discussion of the shutdown being Democrats’ fault. Beyond the usual “WAAAHHHH!!! It’s Democrats’ fault that they aren’t bailing us out of our own bullshit!!!! Waaahhh!!!”

  75. 75.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:26 pm

    @Yarrow: Schumer has released Jones and three others from the whip. That’s it. McConnell, depending on how his caucus votes, needs at least 14 Democratic votes.

  76. 76.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:26 pm

    Hannity’s off the reservation again and speaking to an audience of one – the President.

    Disses some bigly insane shit here. Hannity explodes a conspiracy so vast, lists off the FBI officials who need to be in prison. Buckle up, folks. pic.twitter.com/k8hmDkUXI6

    — Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 20, 2018

  77. 77.

    NotMax

    January 19, 2018 at 10:29 pm

    ‘Twould be most juicy if someone at the Congressional power plant pulled the switch that shuts off the lights in the Senate chamber.

  78. 78.

    efgoldman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They’re not sending their best, though some, I assume, are fine people…

    Time was, most members of the house (both parties) were at least competent lawyers who could write or speak in complete sentences, proper syntax, and understood what evidence was and how to marshal it.
    But then, I’m OOOOOOOLLLLLLDD!

    Fuckem

  79. 79.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 19, 2018 at 10:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: three Republicans voted against cloture: Graham, Rand and Rounds?

  80. 80.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @Yarrow: Senators Graham, Flake, Lee, and Paul have voted no. The vote is still open for a few more minutes, but we’re heading to a shutdown.

  81. 81.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 19, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @efgoldman:

    But then, I’m OOOOOOOLLLLLLDD!

    I’ve gathered that…

  82. 82.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @NotMax: I wager 32 quatloos!

  83. 83.

    B.B.A.

    January 19, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    That’s 50 yeas for cloture, which means the spin that Democrats are shutting the government down sounds slightly reasonable to the low-information voter. Sure it’s bullshit, I know that and you know that, but do the American people know that?

  84. 84.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @efgoldman: We have arranged for a fresh onion for your belt of the month club membership for you. We all chipped in.

  85. 85.

    Yarrow

    January 19, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Schumer must have released McCaskill too.

    McCaskill is a YES, joining Jones, Heitkamp, Manchin and Donnelly as Dem yes votes— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) January 20, 2018

  86. 86.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 19, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @Dave: What is in the Steele dossier is inadequate for a FISA warrant. However, it could have started things off, with much more information added. It’s that second part that is why Adam says the request won’t be declassified. (I see Adam has said somewhat more. This is the tl;dr.)

    @Adam L Silverman: Him, not he. One of those grammatical errors I loathe. I know it’s not yours.

    I’m going to disagree slightly with one of the quotes in the top post. I’m about halfway through both Simpson testimonies, and they do not “shoot down” everything all those congressmen have ever said about the subject, even accounting for exaggeration. They are fascinating documents, and they DO indicate that the Steele dossier needs to be taken seriously, for what it is, which is a collection of raw human intelligence reports that can be wound into a number of narratives. Much of the shorthand in the media and probably in the congressmen’s minds seems to take the dossier as a single narrative that can be proved or disproved. Not so.

    Simpson adds a fair bit of his impressions and interpretations of the Steele material and other things. This is additional material that needs verification. It’s plausible, but not really a confirmation of the Steele material. What would be confirmation would be additional human sources or documents that say the same or similar things.

    Nunes would like to be able to say there’s no “there” there. But Simpson undercuts that rather substantially.

    The Russian support for Nunes is interesting. It occurred to me today that Nunes’s behavior has resembled that of the Russians after their guys shot down MH17, the Malaysian airliner, over Ukraine. Toss out several misleading stories. Present fake evidence. That’s fairly generic behavior, although not the only route possible.

  87. 87.

    Corner Stone

    January 19, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @B.B.A.: Cloture? What the hell is cloture?

  88. 88.

    efgoldman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    @Anonymous At Work:

    Democrats then subpoena the authors

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think the minority members acting alone have subpoena power without a majority vote of the committee. Which they won’t get.

    ETA: Adam got there first

  89. 89.

    Yarrow

    January 19, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    LOL

    Whatever, Mexico gonna pay for our government during the shutdown right? muy bien— Preet Bharara (@PreetBharara) January 20, 2018

  90. 90.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    HA

    No golf. No party.

    That hits him where it really hurts.

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    @B.B.A.: Back to playing troll?

  92. 92.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    @Yarrow: Yep, she isn’t needed. I’ve got a post teed up and ready to go once they close the vote and we have a final tally.

  93. 93.

    NotMax

    January 19, 2018 at 10:38 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    20 quatloos on the newcomer. (Know I’ve linked to this short video before but it still cracks me up.)

    :)

    Tonight’s episode of the Senate entitled “A Piece of the Inaction.”

  94. 94.

    kimp

    January 19, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:

  95. 95.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    @Corner Stone: The opposite of openure.

  96. 96.

    Yarrow

    January 19, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: If you haven’t already included it, you might add the Preet Bharara tweet I just posted. Funny!

  97. 97.

    patrick II

    January 19, 2018 at 10:42 pm

    I watched Frank Luntz on HBO’s Vice documentary show tonight (a show I highly recommend). He was interviewing a group of Trump voters (yet again). All but one person, when asked by Luntz to name their primary news source was, named FOX news , and the one exception to that was the only guy who had come to the opinion that voting for Trump was a mistake. One old guy said that if “Trump had done half of what Obama has done they would put him in the electric chair “.
    Luntz was said he was shocked, shocked at the emotionalism of the responses he heard.
    From Wiki:

    Luntz frequently tests word and phrase choices using focus groups and interviews. His stated purpose in this is the goal of causing audiences to react based on emotion. “80 percent of our life is emotion, and only 20 percent is intellect. I am much more interested in how you feel than how you think. … If I respond to you quietly, the viewer at home is going to have a different reaction than if I respond to you with emotion and with passion and I wave my arms around.

  98. 98.

    B.B.A.

    January 19, 2018 at 10:45 pm

    Matthew Yglesias‏ @mattyglesias

    If Hillary were president, the government would be shutting down for some different and possibly more stupid reason.
    10:34 PM – 19 Jan 2018 from Washington, DC

  99. 99.

    efgoldman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:46 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    We have arranged for a fresh onion for your belt of the month club

    Belt of the month? But I only wear braces to hold up my pants.
    (Too fast typing garbled syntax leads to)

  100. 100.

    efgoldman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:50 pm

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:

    That hits him where it really hurts.

    Only if he has to issue refunds. He’ll recycle the food and alcohol. He might even refrigerate the meat and fish.

  101. 101.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 10:50 pm

    @efgoldman: I knew you were old, but I didn’t realize you were Yoda.

  102. 102.

    NotMax

    January 19, 2018 at 10:51 pm

    @efgoldman

    Pants?

    F*ckem.

    ;)

  103. 103.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 10:51 pm

    and we’re tied 13-13 in the 3rd

    #Epic

  104. 104.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm

    Two sources close to the president, one a White House official and the other a longtime confidant, told The Daily Beast how excited he was for the event and relayed his growing concern that the potential failure to strike a deal to keep the federal government open could keep him from “my party,” as the president has said.

    I heard someone on my TV refer to this as a planned “star-studded” gala. There are no stars mentioned in this article. Who would they be? Chachi and Reba McEntire?

  105. 105.

    Yarrow

    January 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm

    @efgoldman: Trump feeds on adulation and golf. The shutdown means he gets neither.

  106. 106.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    @Yarrow: I’m just waiting for them to close the vote. Apparently one of the GOP senators hasn’t voted yet. It is McConnell who has not yet voted. He’s going to enter a motion to reconsider after voting no, which gives him the option of bringing it back up without having to file for cloture. Saves him about 3 days.

  107. 107.

    SFAW

    January 19, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I knew you were old, but I didn’t realize you were Yoda.

    Fixed, so that efg can parse it better:
    “Old I knew you were , but Yoda you were I realized not.”

  108. 108.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 10:55 pm

    @SFAW: Thanks for the assist.

  109. 109.

    SFAW

    January 19, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Anything for you, big guy.

    Well, not actually anything, but …

  110. 110.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 19, 2018 at 10:57 pm

    @Yarrow: I’m sure there’s a public course in Virginia or Maryland that he could go to.

  111. 111.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 19, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    O’Donnell saying Schumer and McSoapy are still negotiating?

  112. 112.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 19, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    @Yarrow: I thought he feeds on big macs and fries.

  113. 113.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 19, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    @SFAW: Pretty much anybody’s a big guy to me.

  114. 114.

    dmsilev

    January 19, 2018 at 10:59 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: That’s pretty standard for a Majority Leader. Reid used to do it fairly often, and there’d always be people whose purity exceeded their knowledge of (arcane) Senate rules and worked themselves up into a lather over it.

  115. 115.

    Peale

    January 19, 2018 at 10:59 pm

    @efgoldman: lol. I remember his galas with trays of catered sandwiches. Like hosting diplomats was a corporate working lunch for the procurement department. I’ll laugh if they paid 100,000 for a photo and freezer burned tilapia.

  116. 116.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 19, 2018 at 11:00 pm

    McConnell and Schumer just walked off the floor together. The vote is still open.

    ?

    — ?Andrew Desiderio? (@desiderioDC) January 20, 2018

  117. 117.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 11:00 pm

    @SFAW: I am only about 5’10”. And I know that anything seldom means anything.

  118. 118.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 19, 2018 at 11:02 pm

    CORKER tells reporters he’s confident there will be NO shutdown. Says negotiations underway for shorter-term CR than House bill.

    — Sabrina Siddiqui (@SabrinaSiddiqui) January 20, 2018

  119. 119.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 11:02 pm

    @Peale: I thought it was $250,000.

  120. 120.

    AnotherBruce

    January 19, 2018 at 11:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I donated a nickel so he could take the ferry to Shelbyville

  121. 121.

    Another Scott

    January 19, 2018 at 11:05 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks. I’ll probably miss it, unfortunately.

    TheHill:

    Senate Democrats emerged from a closed-door caucus meeting Friday evening asserting that President Trump and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) were close to a funding deal but the president backed away from it.

    “There was virtually a deal, a comprehensive agreement, between Chuck Schumer and the president, and he walked away from it after he talked to his hard right,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.).

    Blumenthal added that the near completion of the deal, and the setback, both occurred on Friday.

    A Senate aide confirmed Blumenthal’s comments. Schumer is expected to lay out the details of the potential agreement, and his discussions with the president, from the Senate floor Friday night.

    […]

    (Emphasis added.)

    Of course Donnie blew up another deal. That’s what he does.

    “The Art of the Deal”, yeah, yeah.:

    If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  122. 122.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 11:05 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Just put a post up on it.

  123. 123.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 19, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    @SFAW:

    keep hoping for the day that Mueller goes on primetime TV and say “And YOU get a treason indictment, and YOU get a treason indictment, and YOU get one …” usw. That would be cool.

    That would be a nice intro for #46, Oprah.

  124. 124.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    @dmsilev: Yep. And yep.

  125. 125.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 19, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Topgolf

  126. 126.

    J R in WV

    January 19, 2018 at 11:09 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Oh, good!

    The more furiousier the better !!!

  127. 127.

    B.B.A.

    January 19, 2018 at 11:10 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I thought the Senate Dems were taking a principled stance of “enough with the CRs already!”

  128. 128.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 11:12 pm

    @Another Scott: Yep, saw that earlier.

  129. 129.

    Another Scott

    January 19, 2018 at 11:12 pm

    @B.B.A.: There has to be a CR because there’s no other bill. The question is, what’s in it. They can make the CR as comprehensive as they want, or as limited as they want.

    Here’s hoping that Schumer and Durbin and all the rest play their cards right and take the hostages away while drinking Trump and the Teabaggers’ milkshake. With bells on.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  130. 130.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 19, 2018 at 11:13 pm

    @Another Scott:

    If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.” “The Disaster Artist.”

  131. 131.

    Adam L Silverman

    January 19, 2018 at 11:15 pm

    Oopsie!

    Bombshell from @adamentous & @eosnos. Jared has more than just a Russia problem. https://t.co/DeimWUb87Y pic.twitter.com/QEUXDQG38q

    — Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) January 20, 2018

  132. 132.

    J R in WV

    January 19, 2018 at 11:18 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Cloture is a famous Senate rule, it means closing the debate, ending discussion of the proposed bill, and requiring a vote on the merits. Cloture takes 60 votes, a supermajority. Without a vote of at least 60 members in support of cloture, the Senate can’t proceed to a vote up or down on the proposed bill.

    Cloture ends a fillibuster, which is just a fancy word for continuing the debate ad infinitum.

  133. 133.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 11:22 pm

    @J R in WV: CS knows that. He was playing low info voter in response to a particular comment.

  134. 134.

    Corner Stone

    January 19, 2018 at 11:25 pm

    @J R in WV: If it’s a famous Senate rule then how come no one has ever heard of it before?

  135. 135.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 19, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    @Corner Stone: Sorry.

  136. 136.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 19, 2018 at 11:31 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Scott Baio on the spoons, or so I’ve gathered.

  137. 137.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 19, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    @Corner Stone: It’s a secret rule.

  138. 138.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 19, 2018 at 11:33 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Now that’s top flight entertainment, Obummer couldn’t get that!

  139. 139.

    RedDirtGirl (AKA IvankaThrowUp)

    January 20, 2018 at 12:00 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Priceless. Just retweeted that to my FIVE followers!

  140. 140.

    SFAW

    January 20, 2018 at 12:06 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Scott Baio on the spoons

    If that mook were still getting anything other than “Unidentified male victim” parts in direct-to-DVD movies, he could afford to roll up a $50 bill.

    Oh, wait … what kind of spoon did you mean?

  141. 141.

    danielx

    January 20, 2018 at 12:12 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    This will play with the people who would echo any stupid thing without caring what it is, and with no one else.

    Why does the figure 27% come to mind?

  142. 142.

    Stuftitcommies

    January 20, 2018 at 8:24 am

    What a den of morons. I need a shower for just viewing it.

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