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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Dolt 45 / Russiagate Open Thread: Foreign Policy Joins the ‘Fake News’ Parade

Russiagate Open Thread: Foreign Policy Joins the ‘Fake News’ Parade

by Anne Laurie|  January 26, 201810:07 pm| 125 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Republican Venality, Russiagate, Flash Mob of Hate, Not Normal

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EXCLUSIVE: Trump Launched Campaign to Discredit Potential FBI Witnesses https://t.co/eWCvTH461o

— Robbie Gramer (@RobbieGramer) January 26, 2018

President Donald Trump pressed senior aides last June to devise and carry out a campaign to discredit senior FBI officials after learning that those specific employees were likely to be witnesses against him as part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, according to two people directly familiar with the matter.

In testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee on June 8, recently fired FBI Director James Comey disclosed that he spoke contemporaneously with other senior bureau officials about potentially improper efforts by the president to curtail the FBI’s investigation of alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election…

Not long after Comey’s Senate testimony, Trump hired John Dowd, a veteran criminal defense attorney, to represent him in matters related to Mueller’s investigation. Dowd warned Trump that the potential corroborative testimony of the senior FBI officials in Comey’s account would likely play a central role in the special counsel’s final conclusion, according to people familiar with the matter.

In discussions with at least two senior White House officials, Trump repeated what Dowd had told him to emphasize why he and his supporters had to “fight back harder,” in the words of one of these officials…

While Dowd’s private advice to the president would ordinarily be protected by attorney-client privilege, Mueller might be able to probe comments that Trump made to others about that legal advice by asking him directly about it as well as anyone else he shared that advice with.

A person with direct knowledge of the matter said although Dowd explained the risks of senior FBI officials joining Comey in testifying against Trump, that information was part of a broader presentation to the president about Mueller’s investigation. It is not improper, but in fact is a duty, for an attorney to explain to a client how they are at risk, the source said. What may have been improper, however, were actions Trump took upon learning that information.

Since Dowd gave him that information, Trump — as well as his aides, surrogates, and some Republican members of Congress — has engaged in an unprecedented campaign to discredit specific senior bureau officials and the FBI as an institution.

The FBI officials Trump has targeted are Andrew McCabe, the current deputy FBI director and who was briefly acting FBI director after Comey’s firing; Jim Rybicki, Comey’s chief of staff and senior counselor; and James Baker, formerly the FBI’s general counsel. Those same three officials were first identified as possible corroborating witnesses for Comey in a June 7 article in Vox. Comey confirmed in congressional testimony the following day that he confided in the three men.

In the past, presidents have attacked special counsels and prosecutors who have investigated them, calling them partisan and unfair. But no previous president has attacked a long-standing American institution such as the FBI — or specific FBI agents and law enforcement officials…

That Trump may have been motivated to attack specific FBI officials because they were potential witnesses against him could demonstrate potential intent that would bolster an obstruction of justice case.

You’d think, given the Mafia contacts NYC building developer Trump has allegedly developed, he’d have been told by now that ‘okay, we’ll just get rid of those troublemaking witnesses’ is *not* as easy and foolproof a tactic as ‘declaring bankruptcy and walking away from my latest failure’. But then again, maybe he’s What His Party Wants…

Republicans are now more satisfied with the "moral and ethical climate" of the country than they have been for 8+ years pic.twitter.com/cWFS1VfI7g

— Will Jordan (@williamjordann) January 26, 2018

After eight years of having to suffer under the most personally upstanding president in decades, Republicans finally have their moral and ethical role model in charge: Donald Trump. https://t.co/JOkrPV5yj6

— Eric Kleefeld (@EricKleefeld) January 26, 2018

"Sen. Thom Tillis was one of the first Republicans to try to save the special counsel. Now he says his bill isn’t urgent, even after news Trump tried to fire Mueller."https://t.co/3XPg4vxw6i

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) January 26, 2018

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  1. 1.

    efgoldman

    January 26, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    Very much OT, but my thanks to all who responded to my dog questions a few threads ago.
    mrs efg has joined in the web search

  2. 2.

    Jeffro

    January 26, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    What rhymes with “obstruction”? Eminem and also Robert Mueller want to know…

  3. 3.

    Anne Laurie

    January 26, 2018 at 10:21 pm

    @efgoldman: (perks up ears) … dog question? Repeat, please?

  4. 4.

    Viva BrisVegas

    January 26, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    @Jeffro: Destruction.

  5. 5.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    January 26, 2018 at 10:23 pm

    What the fuck is up with that Tillis story?

  6. 6.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 26, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    Jebus, that ethical climate poll.

  7. 7.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    Repeating from below because it is germane. Three things legal we’re bound to become more familiar with as Mueller progresses:

    1) the charge of misprision of a felony (much, much, much longer odds on misprision of treason)
    2) 18 U.S. Code § 1519

    Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

    3) 18 U.S. Code § 1513

    [section 2] (e) Whoever knowingly, with the intent to retaliate, takes any action harmful to any person, including interference with the lawful employment or livelihood of any person, for providing to a law enforcement officer any truthful information relating to the commission or possible commission of any Federal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
    (f) Whoever conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

  8. 8.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2018 at 10:29 pm

    Foreign Policy joins the “fake news” parade.

    How long until only Fox News [sic.] and the National Enquirer, and maybe Page 6 of the NYPost are the only remaining non--“fake news” outlets?

  9. 9.

    efgoldman

    January 26, 2018 at 10:30 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    dog question? Repeat, please?

    Now 230+ comments

  10. 10.

    Jeffro

    January 26, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I know…but it’s the same thing we’ve seen in a million other polls. Things under Obama, the black Democrat = bad. Things under Trumpov, the white Republican = good. Sheer mindless tribalism. Ask just one of those R respondents why they responded that way, make them actually explain it, and they’ll choke on their own fucking tongues.

  11. 11.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    @Jeffro

    Magic 8-ball (Stormy Daniels limited edition model) sez: knob suction.

    ;)

  12. 12.

    hitless

    January 26, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    FWIW, the nytimes front page is full of how restrained and pragmatic Trump was at Davos with the elite.

    Think I’m done. Stuff is too wacked to be fixed.

  13. 13.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 26, 2018 at 10:33 pm

    My friend’s rabbit might have brain parasites, as long as we’re on pets. So sad. Poor Bunzo. They thought it was an ear infection but it’s gotten dire.

    @Jeffro: yeah I know, still!

  14. 14.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: I

    Oh dear, I am unaware of all internet traditions, and the Tillis story passed me by entirely. Links or an executive summary, if you please!

  15. 15.

    jl

    January 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    @hitless: What? I read some of Trump’s loopy comments at Davos. Yeesh. Why are they so eager to suck shit out of that asshole’s ass? Hey, NYT, it’s too late. Wolff scooped you, get over it. Unless you want access for the sake of access and feel all important about shit.

  16. 16.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    January 26, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    It’s the last tweet in Anne’s post. Possible kompromat on him to suddenly not want to move his bill protecting Mueller forward?

  17. 17.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Oh. Sob and gulp. Anything awful about bunrabs makes me very sad.

  18. 18.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2018 at 10:39 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Oh, duh, thanx.

    ETA: THOM THILLIS is a Republican THOOL!

  19. 19.

    jl

    January 26, 2018 at 10:39 pm

    On Tillis-Coons and Booker-Graham bills,from the article, I gather that veering between bashing Trump and golfing with him is Graham’s position on protecting lawful government.

  20. 20.

    Japa21

    January 26, 2018 at 10:43 pm

    Speaking of polls,a recent poll asked if people thought Trump is a good role model for their children. 72 percent of Republicans said that he is. Overall, 29 percent said he is. Margin of error probably brings that down to 27 percent.

  21. 21.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 26, 2018 at 10:44 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Fox News had its own source last night corroborating that Trump wanted to fire Mueller and McGahn threatened to quit.

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2018 at 10:45 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne

    Laboring to mend Tillis’ Punctured Bromance.

    ;)

    (With all appropriate apologies to the late, great Marie Dressler.)

  23. 23.

    debbie

    January 26, 2018 at 10:47 pm

    Commentary isn’t far behind, as evidenced in this NPR interview.

  24. 24.

    dopey-o

    January 26, 2018 at 10:50 pm

    Speaking of polls,a recent poll asked if people thought Trump is a good role model for their children. 72 percent of Republicans said that he is. Overall, 29 percent said he is. Margin of error probably brings that down to 27 percent.

    There’s that 27% number again. What is it with 27% ?

  25. 25.

    sharl

    January 26, 2018 at 10:50 pm

    Not Russiagate, but involving the same scumbags who brought us that shit show – a bit of good news from Maryland. First tweet from 5-6 hours ago:

    BREAKING: Federal judge in Maryland rules with @ProPublica and other news orgs against Kushner Cos.' request to keep secret the identities of its partners in Baltimore rental complexes that are the subject of tenants' class-action lawsuit. Watch this space for more details soon.— Alec MacGillis (@AlecMacGillis) January 26, 2018

    Their piece dropped a couple hours later:

    NEW: Our report on judge’s ruling against Kushner Companies’ attempt to shield the identity of its partners in the Baltimore apartment complexes: https://t.co/yXFVUnDJJu— Alec MacGillis (@AlecMacGillis) January 27, 2018

    A federal judge in Maryland ruled Friday that Jared Kushner’s family real estate company could not keep secret the identities of its partners in Baltimore-area apartment complexes that are the subject of a class-action lawsuit by tenants.

    The class-action lawsuit was filed in September, following a May article co-published by ProPublica and The New York Times Magazine that described how Kushner Companies have used highly aggressive tactics in pursuing payments from tenants and former tenants of 15 large apartment complexes it owns and manages in the Baltimore area.

    The lawsuit, filed in the Circuit Court for Baltimore City, alleges that the Kushner Companies’ real estate management arm and related corporate entities have been improperly inflating payments owned by tenants by charging them late fees that are often baseless and in excess of state limits and court fees that are not actually approved by any court. The suit alleges that the late fees and court fees set in motion a vicious cycle in which rent payments are partly put toward the fees instead of the actual rent owed, thus deeming the tenant once again “late” on his or her rent payment, leading to yet more late fees and court fees. Tenants are pressured to pay the snowballing bills with immediate threat of eviction, the suit alleges.

    Kushner Companies and its co-defendants sought to have the case transferred from state court to federal court, which would spare it from having to face an all-Baltimore City jury. To have this transfer approved, the defendants needed to show that none of their ownership partners were residents of Maryland. The defendants requested that their submission of the list of partners be sealed from public view, citing the high degree of media interest in Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior White House adviser…

    Let the mill keep grinding…

    ETA: actually Kushner’s partners COULD be Russian oligarchs and their operatives, so contrary to my opening sentence, a Russiagate component cannot be summarily ruled out.

  26. 26.

    jl

    January 26, 2018 at 10:55 pm

    @Japa21: Peak Wingnut is a lie, Peak Wingnut is Trump, so…

    At any rate, this may be why the GOPer pols are acting so insane. Those who are still loyal GOPers who will turn out for primaries and reliably vote GOP in the general have been reduced to die-hard Trumpsters. GOP politicians will surely lose if they abandon their president in the primaries and surely lose in the general if they don’t abandon him.

    Some of that is anecdata. The GOPers in my circle have all peeled off into Dems, independents, or passive non-participating by-standers to the wreckage of their own party. Except for a few bigoted reactionaries in the Central Valley, whom Trumpism has probably driven insane, at least judging by the way they rave.

  27. 27.

    AliceBlue

    January 26, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    @hitless:
    They were fluffing Trump’s Davos performance on CNN this morning too.

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2018 at 11:01 pm

    I heard only brief snippets of Trump’s Davos speech today, but what little I did hear sounded — dare I say it? — extremely low energy. No “oomph” at all to what was widely billed as a cheerleading sales pitch for the US of A. Very off-putting.

  29. 29.

    John Revolta

    January 26, 2018 at 11:02 pm

    @Japa21: “Hell yeah! I want MY kid to inherit 40 million dollars too!”

  30. 30.

    Jeffro

    January 26, 2018 at 11:07 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Even he doesn’t believe it…and/or doesn’t believe he needs to sell it. “This kind of close-minded thinking is who. i. am., see, and that’s just the way it’s going to be.”

    Fred Trump must be incredibly proud.

  31. 31.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2018 at 11:12 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Fox News had its own source last night corroborating that Trump wanted to fire Mueller and McGahn threatened to quit.

    Really, last night, eh? And here I thought they were all about the Arizona car chase last night!

  32. 32.

    chris

    January 26, 2018 at 11:15 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Jet lag and dried frog pills?

  33. 33.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 26, 2018 at 11:17 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Yikes. Tapeworm larvae?

    @Japa21:
    No surprise to me. I’ve long said a major reason they picked him was that he’s supposed to prove that ignorant, dumb-as-shit, racist assholes are God’s perfect creature.

  34. 34.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 26, 2018 at 11:19 pm

    Eric Kleefeld @ EricKleefeld
    After eight years of having to suffer under the most personally upstanding president in decades, Republicans finally have their moral and ethical role model in charge: Donald Trump.

    President Spanky Frederovitch McSyphilis

  35. 35.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 26, 2018 at 11:19 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: dunno, I’m not exactly gonna interrogate him about it.

  36. 36.

    Anne Laurie

    January 26, 2018 at 11:21 pm

    @efgoldman: Sent you an email, let me know here if it doesn’t reach you.

    Will be Away From Keyboard for a couple hours now, but I’ll check back afterwards!

  37. 37.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2018 at 11:22 pm

    @Jeffro: You know, there’s really very little out there in the Trump biographies about Fred Trump, but from everything I can
    suss out he must have been a right monster.

    There’s even less written about Mary Anne MacLeod Trump, but I will believe until my dying day that Donald’s mommy issues are even more profound than his daddy issues. And that’s saying a lot. And I find it fascinating that no one, no one, seems to think it’s worth spending much time or thought on Don’s relationship with his parents in their various bios and hagiographies and analyses of him.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2018 at 11:23 pm

    So old remember when B-J Friday night threads were more traditionally music oriented.

    So, a little something Russian, Indian style.

  39. 39.

    Anne Laurie

    January 26, 2018 at 11:26 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    dunno, I’m not exactly gonna interrogate him about it.

    Bad batch of clover, possibly. Thing about eating grass, there are parasites evolved to spread via herbivores just as there are via carnivores.

  40. 40.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 26, 2018 at 11:27 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Fair enough. And if you don’t know, you don’t want details. Parasitology is just about the ugliest academic discipline there is.

  41. 41.

    efgoldman

    January 26, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    Sent you an email, let me know here if it doesn’t reach

    Ain’t got it yet, but Verizon has been on the slow side lately

  42. 42.

    Jeffro

    January 26, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: They could probably spare, oh, 10% of the time they spent dwelling on Obama’s relationship with his mom, her relationships with men, HIS relationships with them, those mens’ worldviews, etc etc.

    At the very least, we could hear more about Trumpov’s family’s chain migration, and their perennial racism.

  43. 43.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 26, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    @Anne Laurie: @Frankensteinbeck: the bunny is very very sick. ?

  44. 44.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 26, 2018 at 11:41 pm

    @hitless: FTFNYT, they need to be put out of their misery.

  45. 45.

    B.B.A.

    January 26, 2018 at 11:42 pm

    In other countries’ embarrassments, the leading candidate in Ontario’s upcoming election for Premier resigned over sexual misconduct charges. The Progressive-Conservative Party is scrambling for a new candidate, and it’s very possible that the new head of government in Canada’s largest province may be one Doug Ford – brother of the late Toronto mayor Rob Ford, with a very similar governing philosophy (i.e., fat, drunk and stupid).

  46. 46.

    CarolDuhart2

    January 26, 2018 at 11:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I noticed that during the campaign. And in general. People usually reference their parents, if even only to say how terrible they were and how much that person tried to transcend their influence. Or mention interests in common. Not even little anecdotes about his childhood, mom and dad’s interests, or what it was like working with dad. Nothing. His parents seem to have dropped off the earth, not only in death.

    And Dad was an up and coming real estate magnate who marries a poor Scottish girl, which is unusual considering his ambition. Most of the time guys like him marry minor socialites, would-be models and former actresses. Was Dad also frozen out of society too? If that was the case, it could be a root cause of Trump’s resentment as well towards Manhattanites. He could be trying in his own way to get back for not only his own, but his father’s freeze-out as well.

  47. 47.

    Cacti

    January 26, 2018 at 11:44 pm

    It has now been 11 hours since the Wall Street Journal dropped the story about RNC finance chair Steve Wynn being a sexual predator.

    RNC chair Ronna Romney McDaniel has yet to issue any kind of statement.

  48. 48.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 26, 2018 at 11:48 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: There’s a funny mashup of Sean Hannity first saying “Oh haha nothing to it” and then a little while later “Fox News says that the President wanted to fire Mueller.” I’ll see if I can find it.

  49. 49.

    eclare

    January 26, 2018 at 11:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You’ve noted that before, and I agree. No one has written anything about mom, it’s weird.

  50. 50.

    efgoldman

    January 26, 2018 at 11:49 pm

    @Cacti:

    RNC chair Ronna Romney McDaniel has yet to issue any kind of statement.

    She couldn’t find all the right weasel lawyers, late on a Friday nite

  51. 51.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 26, 2018 at 11:50 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Did you see the picture of her Betty posted this morning ? I assume he learned from his father that real men don’t change diapers and don’t pay attention to the kids until their adults. And that, as the three Large Adult Children prove, don’t make for healthy adults

  52. 52.

    eclare

    January 26, 2018 at 11:51 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Hate to hear that….

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2018 at 11:54 pm

    @efgoldman

    Just needs to head to the nearest Hooter’s.

  54. 54.

    burnspbesq

    January 27, 2018 at 12:18 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Parasitology is just about the ugliest academic discipline there is.

    Worse than Political Science?

  55. 55.

    Kay

    January 27, 2018 at 12:25 am

    @danmericaCNN
    2h2 hours ago
    More Dan Merica Retweeted Hillary Clinton
    Clinton tweets about the stories re: her decision not to fire a senior adviser on her 2008 campaign who had been accused of sexual harassment. Adds later that she called the woman today, but doesn’t directly address why she decided to keep Strider on

    I’m so glad political media are still holding Hillary Clinton accountable. It’s a wonder they can see past the President’s 50,000 scandals to keep their eagle eye trained on private citizen Clinton, but they manage.

    Hillary Clinton is now directly responsible for all sexual harassment in the United States.

    I love the “doesn’t directly address”. We all know it doesn’t matter if she “directly addresses” anything. Whatever she says will have absolutely no bearing on their coverage. I don’t know why she tries. She should save her breath.

    At some point Nate Silver will do an analysis and there will be more coverage of Hillary Clinton’s associations with harassing men than of the harassing men themselves.

  56. 56.

    eemom

    January 27, 2018 at 12:29 am

    @NotMax:

    misprision of a felony . . . misprision of treason

    Come on, admit it — don’t those sound cool? Then there’s subornation of perjury….witness tampering….violation of emoluments clause.

    Lawyerdom is not without its simple pleasures.

  57. 57.

    Calouste

    January 27, 2018 at 12:37 am

    @CarolDuhart2: I’m pretty certain that at one point someone told a young shitgibbon that he would never be accepted by New York society because his mother was a servant girl. He has never forgotten that, which is why he never mentions his mother, and instead babbles on about his “great genes”.

  58. 58.

    Jeffro

    January 27, 2018 at 12:41 am

    @eemom: they ALL sound cool, in the context of charges being brought against the Clown Administration, from the head clown on down.

  59. 59.

    Jeffro

    January 27, 2018 at 12:41 am

    @Calouste: Someone should tell him, “No…it’s actually just because you’re an asshole, Donnie”.

  60. 60.

    B.B.A.

    January 27, 2018 at 12:46 am

    @Jeffro: That, ah, does not preclude one’s acceptance in NY society. See, e.g., Leona Helmsley.

  61. 61.

    Belafon

    January 27, 2018 at 12:48 am

    “moral and ethical climate”

    How many euphemisms for white are there?

  62. 62.

    Kay

    January 27, 2018 at 12:52 am

    Pew poll finds 48% of Americans say budget deficit should be a top priority for president and Congress, down from 63% just four years ago.

    Because they all, simultaneously and abruptly, stopped talking about the deficit the moment Obama left office.

    All those “experts” disappeared, all the hand-wringing stopped, it was like turning off a light switch. You wonder where all those people GO when there’s a GOP President. Do they hold them in some storage facility for 4 or 8 years and then bring them all out again? You wouldn’t even have to watch election results- you’ll know the Democrat won when the “deficit hawks” appear, like crows on a power line.

  63. 63.

    Adrift

    January 27, 2018 at 12:59 am

    @Jeffro:

    What rhymes with “obstruction”? Eminem and also Robert Mueller want to know…

    Abduction, destruction, liposuction.

  64. 64.

    patrick II

    January 27, 2018 at 12:59 am

    It is not improper, but in fact is a duty, for an attorney to explain to a client how they are at risk, the source said. What may have been improper, however, were actions Trump took upon learning that information.

    Trump repeated what Dowd had told him to emphasize why he and his supporters had to “fight back harder,” in the words of one of these officials…

    “Fight back harder” seems to go past risk analysis. Plus, even the framing of some risk analysis would seem to cross the line. For instance: “If this witness lives to testify, you will probably go to jail.”

    I am not a lawyer (do we non-lawyers always have to say that? It’s usually obvious anyway.), but anyhow, lawyers who influence someone to illegal action lose the ability to use lawyer-client privilege in their own defense. I am not sure where that line is drawn.

  65. 65.

    PJ

    January 27, 2018 at 1:09 am

    @Jeffro: @Adrift: And the number one answer from our studio audience is – drum roll please – “Corruption!” Tell them what they’ve won, Donnie!

  66. 66.

    patrick II

    January 27, 2018 at 1:10 am

    I just saw Kevin Drum’s picture of Trump at DAVOS acompanying his Trump Smear Campaign post. That has to be the worst make-up job I have ever seen. For a man of his vanity I have to wonder if his reality bending narcissism is at work when he looks in the mirror. And if his make-up person is a democrat.

  67. 67.

    Gretchen

    January 27, 2018 at 1:11 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ve noticed that none of the Trump men wear wedding rings either. I guess it’s unmanly to admit that you’re bound to a mere woman. Pretty much all the other Washington power men wear wedding rings – Comey, Obama, etc. – but it’s too wussy for the manly Trump men to do so.

  68. 68.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 1:12 am

    @Kay:

    Do they hold them in some storage facility for 4 or 8 years and then bring them all out again?

    Yes, what do you think they’re doing with all those closed Sam’s Club locations.

    (Adjusts tin foil hat.)

  69. 69.

    Tenar Arha

    January 27, 2018 at 1:13 am

    Any urban birders up late here? Fascinating article in The Atlantic Urban Bird Feeders Are Changing the Course of Evolution

  70. 70.

    Gretchen

    January 27, 2018 at 1:13 am

    @Kay: Really – Hillary Clinton has never been accused of sexually harassing anyone, but for both Harvey Weinstein and Steve Wynn she’s right in the middle of the coverage, and Why Won’t She Address it?

  71. 71.

    JWR

    January 27, 2018 at 1:21 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: Here’s a kind of Hannity/Fox News mashup from Newshounds. Maybe this is what you were looking for?

    Newshounds link

    Edit to note that their video is at the bottom of the page.

  72. 72.

    Tenar Arha

    January 27, 2018 at 1:26 am

    Also, here’s a fun Twitter mega-thread of adding alternate scores (songs) to a *spoilerific* scene in The Last Jedi, (even with an added Spotify playlist) that’s just *finger kisses* Start here with ELO’s Mr. Blue Sky

  73. 73.

    eclare

    January 27, 2018 at 1:36 am

    Way OT: my parents are moving from their house to a seventh floor apartment with a balcony, and I was thinking of getting them a bird feeder. Birds will find their way to the seventh story, right? I am not a birder, so am genuinely asking.

  74. 74.

    patrick II

    January 27, 2018 at 1:38 am

    @Tenar Arha:

    Thanks, that was a fascinating article.

  75. 75.

    efgoldman

    January 27, 2018 at 1:40 am

    @eclare:

    Birds will find their way to the seventh story, right?

    The birds that live near the tops of the very tall trees in our yard appear to know how to fly.

  76. 76.

    eclare

    January 27, 2018 at 1:43 am

    @efgoldman: Hahaha, stupid question I guess. But there aren’t any trees around the building, so I was curious if anyone had had experience.

  77. 77.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 27, 2018 at 1:44 am

    @patrick II:

    if his make-up person is a democrat.

    Well, we know it’s not a self respecting woman or gay man.

  78. 78.

    Tenar Arha

    January 27, 2018 at 1:46 am

    @eclare: according to that Atlantic article, even to the 25th floor. (but they will get guano too probably).

  79. 79.

    Gretchen

    January 27, 2018 at 1:50 am

    @Tenar Arha: That was a really good article. And it has a connection to NYU Library, where my daughter works, so that was special. Thanks.

  80. 80.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 1:51 am

    @efgoldman: Yes, but you’re in New England and all the birds probably went to Harvard.

  81. 81.

    eclare

    January 27, 2018 at 1:55 am

    @Tenar Arha: I have bookmarked to read tomorrow, somehow I missed that, thank you!

  82. 82.

    NotMax

    January 27, 2018 at 1:59 am

    @eclare

    Would certainly suggest checking with the building management first as to whether or not that is permissible. Also too, people with balconies on the floor beneath and the floor above might not be thrilled about having birds coming and going (and going, if you get my drift).

  83. 83.

    TS

    January 27, 2018 at 2:03 am

    I don’t understand how all this ends – but can the GOPers in congress who are assisting trump in his endeavor to discredit FBI officers be charged with anything? or is this just my wistful thinking?

  84. 84.

    eclare

    January 27, 2018 at 2:04 am

    @NotMax: Gotcha, good point.

  85. 85.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 27, 2018 at 2:10 am

    All this talk of balconies makes me nostalgic for the nice south-facing balcony we had when we lived in the giant Eichler in cathedral hill.

    We didn’t have a bird feeder though.

  86. 86.

    eclare

    January 27, 2018 at 2:14 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Unfortunately this one is north facing….but it is nice.

  87. 87.

    Anne Laurie

    January 27, 2018 at 2:20 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    You know, there’s really very little out there in the Trump biographies about Fred Trump, but from everything I can suss out he must have been a right monster.

    Certainly part of the problem was that, until mid-2015, there wasn’t really much interest outside NYC in Trump’s biography. And *within* NYC, those reporters who might’ve dug deeper may have figured it wasn’t worth the torrent of I WILL SUE YOU LIKE A DOG!!!!! letters bound to ensue.

    Plus, there’s the rumor that Trump’s “success” as a real estate mogul, such as it was, relied heavily on the goodwill of People Who Don’t Need Your Publicity Thank You (cough *mafia* cough). With so many more promising subjects, why venture into that muck?

    What little I’ve seen, Trump’s older brother came to a tragic end — in a way that tends to be at least somewhat genetic (alcoholism). His other three sibs are… normal enough to avoid attention, right?

    My guess would be that Fred Trump and his wife may not have been model parents. But then again, if Donald is actually a sociopath, it could also have been that his parents did the best they could (he didn’t actually end up in jail while he was under their care, just a military academy) but that wouldn’t have been good enough regardless.

    The infamous interaction of nature & nuture. To sidle sideways, dog breeders figure that temperament is about 75% inherited. In a “purebred” dog line, humans can make a pretty good guess which puppies will grow up to be resilient, and which will always be… iffy. And there are plenty of cases where two otherwise sound, beautiful dogs turn out to be a bad combination — when a litter ‘throws’ multiple puppies who demonstrate regressive flaws that neither parent ever showed. Sensible breeders don’t repeat such matches, and informed observers warn each other against acquiring puppies from breeders who are too greedy or fond to be sensible. But 99.9% of humans are so very much not purebred to that extent, and most of us don’t let ‘sensible observers’ judge who our partners should be if we were!

  88. 88.

    Anne Laurie

    January 27, 2018 at 2:34 am

    @Calouste:

    I’m pretty certain that at one point someone told a young shitgibbon that he would never be accepted by New York society because his mother was a servant girl. He has never forgotten that, which is why he never mentions his mother, and instead babbles on about his “great genes”.

    Nah, his old man Fred seems to have passed on the “great genes” obsession, as part of his patrimony. Evidence not yet available, but right now, it sounds to me like Mom just concentrated on keeping the kids clean, fed, and not in jail until they were old enough for Pater to take an interest. Maybe she was a monster, or maybe she was just too beaten down to put up more of a struggle.

    (Although, given that at least one of her kids died of alcohol abuse, and the era when she was raising kids, it wouldn’t come as a total shock if she was one of those “desperate housewives” who relied on a steady private intake of alcohol or doctor-prescribed ‘nerve pills’ as anesthesia, either. Subclinical depression and/or functional alcoholism can be hard to diagnose in this context.)

  89. 89.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    January 27, 2018 at 3:04 am

    @Kay: If this keeps up, Hillary may not get reelected in 2020.

  90. 90.

    TS

    January 27, 2018 at 3:29 am

    @Cacti:

    RNC chair Ronna Romney McDaniel has yet to issue any kind of statement.

    The media is only interest in sexual predators if they can be linked to members of the democratic party

  91. 91.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 27, 2018 at 3:53 am

    @Kay:

    Now that we seem to have a “fire immediately upon first accusation of sexual misconduct in the workplace without regard to degree or potential corrective action that retains valuable employees” climate, does this mean we get to immediately fire young women the first time they’re caught texting or using a smartphone for personal use on the job?

  92. 92.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 27, 2018 at 3:59 am

    @Anne Laurie:

    Trump’s “success” in business and as a negotiator is solely related to leveraging the potential negatives from his failures into protection of his perusal assets and lifestyle. In his world, all is zero sum, and his counterparties are there to suffer for his benefit.

  93. 93.

    sharl

    January 27, 2018 at 4:00 am

    LOL, right-wing media is abuzz due to the unannounced and unexplained deactivation of Hannity’s Twitter account, which happened sometime after midnight (ET).

    Sean Hannity’s Twitter account appeared to have been deactivated on Saturday morning.

    Twitter users trying to search for the Fox New host’s page were directed to a screen that said: ‘Sorry, that page does not exist.’

    It is not known why the page was taken down.

    Around two hours earlier he bizarrely tweeted: ‘Form Submission 1649’. (link)

    The most active discussion of this appears to be over at Reddit, in the r/conspiracy subreddit (of course). Ain’t no way I’m wading into that swamp teeming with freaks, but I’m guessing that the mystery of Hannity’s “Form Submission 1649” tweet has them really cranked up doing “analysis”. I’m hoping it’s a manifestation of increasing desperation of Hannity and his crew, i.e., setting up for some dark bullshit story they can spin out later. But really I haven’t a clue.

    In the meantime – again – LOL.

  94. 94.

    SectionH

    January 27, 2018 at 4:05 am

    href=”#comment-6731616″>eclare: I live on the 7th floor of our building, and birds not only found their way to our North-facing 7tg floor balcony, they made major messes on it. No, srsly. To the point we’re taking a break from feeding them. Because, mess doesn’t even begin to cover it. We bought some already husked birdfeed, but damn.

    There was a point when we had so many little birds, we got a Hawk’s attention – the bird was coming in hard to our balcony. At least twice when I was a real time witness. Ok, the predator bird was probably a Peregrin Falcon, which are srsly documented in our neighborhood, but I saw the bird and thought Hawk.

    So yeah, it may take a while for the birds to find you on the 7th floor, but they will.

    Anyway, it may take a while but city balconies can have plenty of critters

  95. 95.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 27, 2018 at 4:07 am

    I want an obit like this!

    Terry Wayne Ward, age 71, of DeMotte, IN, escaped this mortal realm on Tuesday, January 23rd, 2018, leaving behind 32 jars of Miracle Whip, 17 boxes of Hamburger Helper and multitudes of other random items that would prove helpful in the event of a zombie apocalypse.

    Terry is survived by his overly-patient and accepting wife Kathy, who was the love of his life (a fact she gladly accepted sympathy for during their 48 years of marriage). He is also survived by daughters Rebecca (William) Hines and Jean (Jeff) Lahm; sister, Linda; brother, Phil; grandchildren: Alexander and Hannah Hines (The Mesopotamians), Daphne and Erin Pistello (The Daffer and Peanut), Brendan and Owen Lahm (Phineas and Ferb) and Tessa McMurry (Smiley).

    He is preceded in death by his parents Paul and Bernice Ward, daughter Laura Pistello, grandson Vincent Pistello, a 1972 Rambler and a hip.

    Terry graduated from Thornridge High School in South Holland, IL, where only three of his teachers took an early retirement after having had him as a student. He met the love of his life, Kathy, by telling her he was a lineman – he didn’t specify early on that he was a lineman for the phone company, not the NFL. Still, Kathy and Terry wed in the fall of 1969, perfectly between the Summer of Love and the Winter of Regret.

    Terry volunteered his service in the United States Army and was an active combat Veteran in the Viet Nam War.

    He retired from AT&T (formerly Ameritech, formerly formerly Indiana Bell) after 39 years of begrudging service, where he accumulated roughly 3,000 rolls of black electrical tape during the course of his career (which he used for everything from open wounds to “Don’t use this button” covers).

    He enjoyed many, many things. Among those things were hunting, fishing, golfing, snorkeling, ABBA, hiking Turkey Run, chopping wood, shooting guns, Bed Bath & Beyond, starlight mints, cold beer, free beer, The History Channel, CCR, war movies, discussing who makes the best pizza, The Chicago White Sox, old Buicks, and above all, his family.

    He was a renowned distributor of popsicles and ice cream sandwiches to his grandchildren. He also turned on programs such as “Phineas and Ferb” for his grand-youngins, usually when they were actually there.

    He despised “uppity foods” like hummus, which his family lovingly called “bean dip” for his benefit, which he loved consequently. He couldn’t give a damn about most material things, and automobiles were never to be purchased new. He never owned a personal cell phone and he had zero working knowledge of the Kardashians.

    Terry died knowing that The Blues Brothers was the best movie ever, (young) Clint Eastwood was the baddest-ass man on the planet, and hot sauce can be added to absolutely any food.

    Tremendous and heartfelt thanks go to the truly exceptional nurses at Southlake Methodist Hospital Neuro-Intensive Care Unit, who provided much more than nursing care for Terry, but also provided a peaceful and compassionate environment during his transition from this life to the next.

    Friends can visit with the family on Saturday, January 27, from Noon until the time of the Funeral Service at 4:00 PM, with Pastor Mark Wilkins officiating, at Geisen Funeral, Cremation & Receptions Centre, 606 E. 113th Ave., Crown Point, IN. Services will conclude at the funeral home.

    Memorial donations in Terry’s name can be made to your favorite charity or your favorite watering hole, where you are instructed to tie a few on and tell a few stories of the great Terry Ward.

  96. 96.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 4:10 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: While I agree with you to some exent about the first part of your question, how does a young woman texting our using her personal smartphone on company time create a hostile work environment?

  97. 97.

    SectionH

    January 27, 2018 at 4:17 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: That was funny. No, srsly, funny.

  98. 98.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 4:21 am

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: I saw the question you posed about the photo I linked to this morning. How did I do it:
    It was shot handheld in landscape using exposure bracketing(5 shots x 3 exposures per shot).
    In Lightroom I applied my standard correction(reduce highlights 100%, and sharpen), increased shadows, corrected whites and blacks and added clarity, then…
    Used PT/Gui to combine the exposures and stitch them together..
    and back to Lightroom where I applied the secret sauce(range masking a sun glow preset to just the shadows) and then added vibrance and saturation to taste.

  99. 99.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 27, 2018 at 4:27 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Because she’s not sharing in the necessary labor, and it is a distraction and disruption that seriously annoys and disrespects other work partners and detracts from the working environment.

    If we’re doing “zero tolerance” for anything now without correction, let’s fire them for that, as well as for being a half minute late for their break to Starbucks for their triple skinny vente moccachino latte. #metoozerotolerance

  100. 100.

    rikyrah

    January 27, 2018 at 4:31 am

    @Japa21:
    Down to the crazyfication factor ?

  101. 101.

    rikyrah

    January 27, 2018 at 4:36 am

    @Kay:
    They couldn’t find the time to write one less email story during 2016, to publish this NOW?
    Hillary is a private citizen-

  102. 102.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 4:37 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I think using that standard of “zero tolerance” you’d soon find yourself sans a workforce.

  103. 103.

    SectionH

    January 27, 2018 at 4:40 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Is LIghtroom Adobe? Also more important Q, how do you keep track of your photos? I came from the keep track of my own images by name past. I’ve been lost for ages about a lot of photos I’ve taken. Mind you, I know where togo through images, etc. most of them I should probably have deleted long ago.

    I’ve tried to use Bridge, but it’s so not helpful, or at least it used to not be. I’d have spent more time trying to learn Bridge to be useful than any time I had back then. So, never mind OT comment, how do you keep track?

  104. 104.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 4:45 am

    @SectionH: Lightroom is from Adobe and is included in the Photography subscription along with Photoshop(you can no longer buy it as a standalone package). In addition of basic processing of photos is has keywording for photos and geotaging to organize photos.

  105. 105.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 27, 2018 at 4:46 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Y’think? ?

  106. 106.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 27, 2018 at 4:46 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    how does a young woman texting our using her personal smartphone on company time create a hostile work environment?

    I can answer this question, but it’s the middle of the night, I’m half drunk, and this isn’t billable work. So screw you guys!

  107. 107.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 4:48 am

    @rikyrah:

    Hillary is a private citizen-

    Yeah, that’s what she says…

  108. 108.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 4:50 am

    @Steve in the ATL: We love you too Steve.

  109. 109.

    Steve in the ATL

    January 27, 2018 at 4:51 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: ❤️?❤️?

  110. 110.

    SectionH

    January 27, 2018 at 4:56 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I own CS6, all of it, ok? because I knew I wasn’t gonna make $ off of work forever, and I had no idea what level of poverty I’d have to live at. But LIghtroom was so off my radar…

    CS6 was “that’s all she wrote” for Adobe’s actually Own the damn applications, like fucking InDesign -kludgier Pagemaker, IMO – and Illustrator as well as Photoshop.

  111. 111.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 27, 2018 at 5:24 am

    @SectionH: If you have CS6 you can install and fire up Lightroom, the only thing you won’t have is range masking in Lightroom which was new in Lightroom Classic CC 7.

  112. 112.

    Magda in Black

    January 27, 2018 at 6:34 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    I wonder about this every time I see him “hugging” himself. What the hell happened to that little boy that turned him in to this monster?

  113. 113.

    SectionH

    January 27, 2018 at 7:00 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I should do that because I can. Srsly. I’m a shit photographer, but Lightroom might get some interesting something out of something I can’t do in Photoshop , or otherwise show me something. And that’s not snark, ok?

    eta: that last comment was a bit lacking in nouns at the end. Sorry. It’s late in San Diego too.

  114. 114.

    trnc

    January 27, 2018 at 7:16 am

    @patrick II: Exactly. I’d like to hear from an actual lawyer what a legitimate scenario would be for a lawyer to advise his client to fight back harder. The lawyer is the one with all the legal tools, so he is the only one who can actually do the fighting, right?

    If the client was hiding his head in the sand while getting pummeled in the press, it might make sense for a lawyer to tell the client he needs to fight in the court of public opinion. But we’re talking about DT. Can anyone honestly say that he wasn’t already saying whatever he thought he should to fight adverse public opinion?

  115. 115.

    BC in Illinois

    January 27, 2018 at 7:18 am

    Coming late to this, but two items:

    1) On Trump’s triumph at Davos, let me point out the last line in an article in Le Monde, “At Davos, The French Savor the End of French bashing” . . .

    “The joke of the moment in Davos: ‘For once, a French president speaks better English than the American president.’ ”

    2) On rhymes for obstruction, may I remind you that not every word in a lyric needs to rhyme:

    But you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend,
    Ah, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of obstruction

  116. 116.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 27, 2018 at 9:35 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: My mom had to take a class on parasitology when she was getting a psychology master’s. I think it scarred her for life.

  117. 117.

    MoxieM

    January 27, 2018 at 9:36 am

    @efgoldman: Posted on last thread, but reposted here, just because I do Newfie Rescue and facts is facts.

    I’ve had Newfies for 25 years… multiples of Newfies! (they’re like potato chips, or Great Danes, you can’t have just one).

    MYTH: they eat a lot: They do not. They eat less than an average Labrador.

    Because:

    MYTH: They are athletic (ha hah! I’ve had living room furniture that was more athletic…). They are very strong, they need a small amount of exercise, swimming if you can get it is best and safest. (Safest because they are, indeed prone to ortho injuries, arthritis and the like.)

    THEY ARE VERY STRONG and they will pull you over in a flash if you are leashed to one and you don’t have him/her under control. Not malice, just muscle strength and 4-wheel drive.

    THEY ARE NOT DOGS FOR BEGINNERS. Most of my dogs are rescues, and most of them come from households who adopted an amazingly cute fuzzy puffball at 15 lbs–who mushroomed to a 130+ lb teenager in eight months. If you are not accustomed to training such a beast, it’s not good for anyone. Also they need careful diets during this rapid growth phase.

    You must adore brushing. And brushing And brushing And brushing some more. And snipping hair around the feetsies and earsies. They require a ton of grooming, and if you don’t do it, it generally runs $80 a pop at a decent groomer.

    They are the loving-est, sweetest, most loyal, best around children dogs on the planet. Added bonus: they will rescue your (grand) children from the water.But there’s a saying: 3 years a young dog; 3 years a good dog; 3 years and old dog. A 12 year old Newf is really, really old.

    And the expense with these fellers and gals is Veterinary–flea/tick preventive, routine shots–you name it, we get twice as much and pay twice as much because our dogs weigh twice as much. Avg female: 110 (tiny!)-125 lbs. Avg male 120 – 140 lbs. (I had a dog whose sire was 175 lbs.)

    Although– because they are so low-energy (area rugs with legs), they are actually OK in an apartment if you take them out regularly.

    Oh, and about that: be prepared to clean up after a small pony. yeah. Daily.

    But, best dogs evah! far as I am concerned. But it doesn’t sound like a great match for your circumstances.

  118. 118.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 27, 2018 at 9:48 am

    @Gretchen: I really think the only way Democrats can avoid major trouble over sexual harassment in the 2020 cycle is to nominate a man. Any woman is going to be held to absurdly high standards of responsibility for anyone associated with her, because it’ll be considered an ironic story about hypocrisy, man-bites-dog.

  119. 119.

    Gvg

    January 27, 2018 at 10:05 am

    @Kay: um, Kay, we have all reordered are priorities due to what problems exist at the time. Currently my priorities are getting the madman with no morals or sense of law out of office, getting all the traitor republican’s out of power, mitigating as much damage as possible on the way to the prior goals, reordering state laws to prevent gerrymandering and repealing Citizens United to get corruption of legislators down to manageable levels. Deficit will have to wait because we can’t until the other things happen.
    Obama too office in a financial crisis. He didn’t cause other stupid crisises so he doggedly worked at that one and trying to calm down and clean up the mess in the Middle East. Most people supported that goal. If some real new crisis had arisen in his administration, the deficit might have dropped more in people’s priority list. Sure much of the deficit hawking from the media was insincere, but I think the polls on people’s opinions isn’t out of line with reality. The real question is what do all people think is the most important NOW. If they don’t think it’s the deficit, what is it?

  120. 120.

    Hellbastard

    January 27, 2018 at 10:49 am

    That moral climate graph is pretty fascinating. You don’t see too much divergence until 2009 or so, when the red and the blue start to race away from each other. I wonder what happened at about that time to cause such an effect.

  121. 121.

    JDM

    January 27, 2018 at 11:43 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    There’s even less written about Mary Anne MacLeod Trump, but I will believe until my dying day that Donald’s mommy issues are even more profound than his daddy issues.

    One thing that doesn’t get mentioned much is Donald Trump’s Liberace connection. Trump’s mother was a really big Liberace fan. And when you watch Donald Trump speaking, his gestures are pure Liberace. I think you’re right about the mommy issues (which is amazing because his daddy issues are big big big), and adopting the gestures of one of her show biz idols is a manifestation.

  122. 122.

    J R in WV

    January 27, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    @TS:

    but can the GOPers in congress who are assisting trump in his endeavor to discredit FBI officers be charged with anything? or is this just my wistful thinking?

    These interesting questions are why NotMax in Comment #7 provides a definition of misprison of a felony in some detail by quoting the federal code related to that crime:

    1) the charge of misprision of a felony (much, much, much longer odds on misprision of treason)
    2) 18 U.S. Code § 1519

    Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

    3) 18 U.S. Code § 1513

    [section 2] (e) Whoever knowingly, with the intent to retaliate, takes any action harmful to any person, including interference with the lawful employment or livelihood of any person, for providing to a law enforcement officer any truthful information relating to the commission or possible commission of any Federal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
    (f) Whoever conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

  123. 123.

    Redleg

    January 27, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    Trump’s attacks on the FBI and the Mueller investigation appear to be irrational and self-defeating to many of us. I think that Trump knows the investigation will uncover criminal wrongdoing (in addition to obstruction of justice) so his “strategy” is simply to save his ass from impeachment and conviction by convincing enough Republican congress critters that the FBI and investigation are illegitimate and biased. It is already clear to me that this strategy is working. I guess we’ll see what happens when Mueller sends his report to Congress.

  124. 124.

    Kenneth Kohl

    January 27, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    @eclare: They may have to take the elevator in that case…

  125. 125.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 27, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Things under Trumpov, the white Republican = good. Sheer mindless tribalism

    More like Cult group think. A tribe would still have to deal with basic reality, not insist on something they know is false being true because the leader said it, that’s a cult. I personally think we will end up seeing a mass suicide by conservatives at some point.

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