This is kind of nuts: apparently Mona Charen (who writes for NRO) criticized Dear Leader and Roy Moore at CPAC and here’s what happened.
Mona Charen, who stunned #CPAC by rebuking conservatives for excusing the behavior of Donald Trump and Roy Moore, was just escorted outside by 3 security guards after her speech. More in @POLITICOMag story later.
— Tim Alberta (@TimAlberta) February 24, 2018
How is this different from the kids at Pitzer College who won’t attend talks by Milo, though?
Speaking of good:
pwned, as the yoots say these days
What the motherfucking fuck?
Sounds as if Ms. Charen at C.P.A.C. was actually treated the way lyin’ Dana Loesch claimed she was treated at the C.N.N. town hall.
This post has a different title on my RSS feed.
@Corner Stone: Stephanie Ruhle is great. The best hour on msnbc is when Ruble/Velshi interview conservative republicans about economic policies. It doesn’t happen as much now, because they are afraid of looking like the idiots they are.
@M. Bouffant: Sounds to me like she got what she paid for.
Escorted to protect her from the mouthbreathers or to rebuke her and cast her out of the cult? Inquiring minds….
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: Nobody uses RSS any more.
I changed it a bunch of times. I originally didn’t want anything gun-like in the title but then none of the other lyrics from Mony, Mony identify the song via google search.
It is immoral and unlawful to criticize Der Fuhrer.
The difference is, Milo is only saying things the kids need to hear. Else, how will they learn the truth when being brainwashed by all the left wing propaganda their professors spew?1!!!
@JPL: I think it was yesterday when Velshi was commenting on Trump’s CPAC “performance” and he said something like, “so I guess all immigrants are snakes from shithole countries now”. And Ruhle didn’t bat an eye. I thought that was glorious. I also like their show but it wears me out.
@trollhattan: We all wish it were the latter, but in our hearts, our sinking hearts, we know it’s the former. B/c they’re that awful. Even CPAC doesn’t want a lynching on their premises.
Were the guards to make sure she left or to protect her from the audience? Or both?
I suspect we may learn early next week of a change in Mona Charen’s employment status at National Review.
it’s CPAC, what made her think they wanted to hear a woman’s take on anything.
This David Hogg kid. I wonder how much Soros is paying him not to take his superb acting skills to Hollywood.
NRO has lots of criticism of Trump, in fairness.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@SFAW: She also delivered word to NK of the new sanctions Trump is imposing. Maybe she tried to see them some shoes and purses at the same time for all I know.
Major Major Major Major
@Gin & Tonic: I do.
Then again, she may have said something that crossed a line. Is there any reporting on her remarks?
This was my first thought.
She wrote pretty much the same thing on the NRO website a week or two ago. I was checking out the NRO website to see if it had more or less criticism of Trump on it than the City Journal website (it had a good deal more, though not that much).
If she said anything not 100% supportive then yes, she crossed the line. CPAC is where they go to profess their love of all things horrible.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
What the fuck? What the everlasting, everloving fuck?
When are the Very Serious people going to just come out and say it? The Republican Party is just flat fascist now. I can’t see any other way to look at it. They’re fascists. What do they have to do? Begin shooting reporters? Putting Hispanic people in camps? What has to happen before David Broder’s heirs are willing to call these people what they are?
O/T for the next time a Republican tells you it’s the middle class who got the tax bill benefits.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Amir Khalid: Twitter says she specifically called out mistreatment of women and extramarital affairs.
Charen apparently also had some rather negative things to say about CPAC inviting Marion Le Pen.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Amir Khalid: Also
@Gin & Tonic: It’s too crowded.
Something I think about from time-to-time. These young activistts, they’re all amazing. These next few years are going to be seminal training for a life in activism and politics. I wonder how many of them really didn’t want that for their lives — how many just wanted to be something else, but won’t get to be that something/somebody else, because of these tragedies that they’ve now set their futures aside, to abolish.
Hope I’m making sense. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t do what they’re doing. I’m saying that the FACT that these children (and they really are children) are giving up their futures, to fight this fight, is ALSO a travesty, ALSO a tragedy.
The POINT of civilized society, of reducing the amount of violence, was to allow people to devote their energies not to learning how to fight&defend themselves, but to …. making horseshoes, discovering how to stitch up wounds, learning about sepsis, … (centuries pass) medicine, biology, physics, mathematics, logic, music, play-writng. I mean, *dentistry* ffs.
The point was to allow people to INVEST in society and in their productive potential. Because investment in fighting skills, taken as a whole across a large-enough segment of the human race, is a deadweight loss. A deadweight loss. And so, in a way, is investment in activism, when viewed across both right-wing and left-wing. Sigh. Again, I’m 100% for these folks — I gave ’em a big chunk of $$ a couple of days ago. But I can’t be 100% ecstatic that the next few years of their lives, the years when they might be learning and investing in other things, those years are more-or-less written in stone for them.
And all this is our fault, not theirs.
@MattF: I read that someone yelled why are you here.. True colors MFGA
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I think that might be the first thing Mona Charen has ever said that I agreed with completely.
Milo’s star has really fallen.
There’s video if you click through. It’s hilariously pathetic.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@GVOR08: The latter.
Californians can “pre-register” to vote at 16. Since I didn’t need the registration form that arrived with my driver license renewal I gave it to my kid who’s now pre-registered, Democrat style.
2020, watch out.
For those of us who watched Charen on Capitol Gang back in the 90s, this is truly amazing. She was the Heritage Foundation come to life: held every reactionary position possible. Bill Kristol turning into a dissident isn’t as strong an illustration of just how far over the edge the GOP has gone.
The Thin Black Duke
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): “I am shocked—shocked—to find that gambling is going on in here!”
Oh, that warms my heart.
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady):
There are a few Republicans who were either honestly deluded or deliberately shut their eyes to what Trump and the Republican Party actually stand for, and are genuinely shocked at how quickly they embraced Nazis.
It sounds like Charen may be one of them. Hope she’s mentally prepared for the barrage of abuse that’s about to be directed at her from her own side.
Tim Alberta clarified in a later tweet that she was escorted out for her own safety, not kicked out. Not sure if that reflects better or worse on CPAC.
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): And something else we should never let anyone forget:
Watch the video (I haven’t had lunch yet, so I dove in); it wasn’t until she mentioned Roy Moore that the audience erupted. She tore into Trump and the audience was silent.
I’m assuming that, like Kristol and Jennifer Rubin, Charen is Jewish and only just realizing that she was merely tolerated by American conservatives for as long as she was deemed useful, not actually accepted.
A lot of conservative Jews are finding out the hard way that anti-Semitism still runs deep in the US and was only awaiting an opportunity to pop out. Maybe allying themselves with Holocaust deniers on taxes and deregulation wasn’t such a great idea after all.
I’ve been feeling really disoriented lately when I read the WaPo opinion page and find myself nodding in agreement with everything that Jennifer Rubin is writing about Trump. Up is down and in is out. Trump is shaking up the country, in more ways than he knows.
@GVOR08: The conservatives that attend that kind of clown show would never sully their hands by committing any kind of violent act. They are all about talking “tough” and encouraging others to do the actual dirty work.
@Doug!: Is Doug!= Doug ln(Doug)-Doug
As for NRO, they have toned down the criticism since he won the R nomination and then the presidential election.
@Mnemosyne: They thought they were insiders.
ETA: And I should add a snarky remark about David Brooks, but there aren’t any new ones left.
I think Brooks is a WASP, though, so he actually is an insider.
Pai is in for a big shock pretty soon if things keep going this way, as is D’Souza.
@MattF: David Brooks is still lying on their behalf on the Snooze Hour.
@Mnemosyne: From the cheap seats over here it’s kind of funny when they realize “conservatism” was really just white supremacist Christianism and all those claims about it being about principles, small government and lower taxes were nothing but a cover. They sure do get mad.
@Mnemosyne: Isn’t he Jewish. His son was in the Israeli military IIRC.
Magda in Black
I understand exactly what youre saying. This battle…Any battle, involves lost human potential…but…hopefully…releases it for those of the next generation…I’d like to think.
Greg in PDX
People like Charen, everybody at NR, horrible gasbag Erick son of Erick, and all of the other so-called “intellectual conservatives” who egged these people on for years deserve what they are getting. They are like the people that trained pit bulls to kill and then are horrified when that pit bull turns on them and tries to rip their face off. A sure sign of this is how now at Red State, NRO, and Hot Air readers have turned against the front page posters and vilify them if they even dare to criticize the party of Trump.
@schrodingers_cat: Wikipedia says Brooks’ first wife converted to Judaism when they married, so it sounds like he’s Jewish. Also that his son was in the Israeli Defense Forces
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Survival of the fittest weapon wielder doesn’t blend with democracy.
James E. Powell
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Never. VSP’s never criticize the RWers. To do so would be un-Serious.
Charen went to elementary school with Ruth Marcus!
I was going around and around one night with an old college buddy, who magically became a “conservative” when he got a tax cut from Reagan. Our wives were chatting in the other room at the time. He got all riled up and yelled at me, “When did you get to be such a fucking liberal!” His rather wise and gentle wife came into the room and said, “No Honey, we’re trying to figure out when you became such a fucking conservative!” He shut up after that and I said, “How about them Red Sox?”
@Greg in PDX: They want the ‘elevated’ bits of right-wing political ideology, but not the parts that actually appeal to the thugs. It’s worth bearing in mind that there was a lot of right-wing admiration for Mussolini in the ’30s. Hitler kind of spoiled all that.
Jewish, & a dirty furrin-born interloper like Obama. Deport him now!!
@Chet Murthy: This can’t be emphasized enough. A functioning government allows the rest of us to learn, to create, to do, without having to watch it like a hawk. And that, particularly, applies to those on the cusp of choosing their paths in life. You put i t well.
The democratic memo was released according to MSNBC. I guess it’s redacted with lots of footnotes, but does refute the Nunes memo.
fyi I heard that Gates lied because he thought the Nunes memo might throw out the case.
Gin & Tonic
@Major Major Major Major: Like I said….
@M. Bouffant: IIRC there was Ballioon Juicer who went to school with David Brooks.
Gin & Tonic
@JPL: The Twitter machine says that Schiff released it while Nunes was on stage at CPAC.
Mona Charen has been failing to be vicious and stupid 100% of the time for several years now. CPAC has no one to blame but itself, for inviting her.
Seeing the entire American body politic being consumed by these fascists is grotesque. Even more grotesque are the both sides do it amen corner who see students pushing back against this massive, unified tide as a time to call out the students.
Talking to you Brooksie and Sully.
This fucking asshole:
James E. Powell
I expected the title of this post to be something more like Listen to my heart goin’ bumpity bump
Magda in Black
Im thinking of Maslow here: mere survival doesn’t leave much time, or energy, for the higher needs.
@Corner Stone: Jesus—how debased and lost do you have to be to accept “signed a gimmie cap” as a meaningful gesture?
@GregB: What did Sully do? Is Sully being a bully.
@Aimai: I guess his daughter knew what she was signing up for when she went to high school.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Gin & Tonic: To quote Uday (or Qusay), I love it!
The WH is spinning like a top over the newly released Dem House Memo.
Magda in Black
“Hey, wanna see the MAGA cap I got, signed and everything, for my childs death?”
@MattF: no kidding I would divorce my husband over this. The poor mother.
@Aimai: Everything I have seen from that guy is all signs point to MRA asshole.
Well, well, well. At least I have that to look forward to in this fiasco.
@Corner Stone: They were Trump supporters before and they are Trump supporters now.
I read that he was impressed by all the security in the White House and was disappointed the high school didn’t have the same.
I’m not going to pile on because honestly he lost a love one.
@Gin & Tonic:
I love Adam Schiff. I hope he runs for Senate when they finally carry Feinstein out of her office kicking and screaming.
There was a Sandy Hook dad, I can’t remember his name, who had read all types of conspiracy things and bought into there crackpot theories on 9/11 and such. Then his daughter was murdered and she because one of the conspiracy theories.
I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.
@Gin & Tonic: Cool! Did Nunes mention that the dems are mean to him? I’m curious about Carter Page and his role in the Trump campaign. He hasn’t been charged with anything but there was enough concern about him, that he was wire tapped. hmmm
@Mnemosyne: Isn’t Brooks Jewish. I thought he has a kid who serves or served in the Israeli Defence Forces.
@Mnemosyne: Skipping ahead, maybe someone else has already said this: David Brooks is Jewish.
I’d long assumed he wasn’t but years ago, in one column he mentioned his son’s bar mitzvah and I had to reluctantly come to terms with the fact that he was my co-religionist.
Recalling the joke, “I want to die peacefully in my sleep like grandad, not screaming in fear like his passengers,”
Mike in NC
Maybe they’ll announce that her merchandise is moving from being manufactured in Chinese prison sweatshops to bigger, better ones in North Korea.
People were saying above that his son was committed enough to join the IDF, so there’s something going on there.
@Amir Khalid: NR/NRO have more “Never Trumpers” on staff than not, so she’s probably good. I think they have to be a little gobsmacked, however, at how fast the soi-disant journal of the intellectual right became so utterly irrelevant in the age of Trump. A bit like Dr. Frankenstein was surprised when his monster started rampaging.
@JPL: He lost someone, and while people all grieve differently and in their own way, the WH appearance, the interview at a funeral, him wearing a Trump 2020 t-shirt, his kid getting a MAGA cap signed. None of this speaks very well for him as a human being.
Wikipedia also says David Brooks graduated from the U. of Chicago with a thesis on Robert Ardrey. I read Ardrey back in the ’60s when I was young and impressionable; he was a popular proponent of the theory that our ape ancestors only became human because they were the best killers. Luckily, I also read some far more convincing work from real scientists on how the archaeological record shows much more cooperation than “competition” in human history. I’m half Jewish (Daddy) and I already despise Brooks, but finding out he’s a shonda makes me despise him even more.
I’m slightly less down on her right now because she seems pretty committed to not compromising with the GOP on anything. Their antics about guns are only going to alienate her further, given her history with workplace shootings.
Years ago, Mona Charen had one of those episodes where something happens to them, personally, and all of a sudden that conservative gains a teeny-tiny bit of insight.
In her case, either one or both of her adopted kids has ADHD. Her kid(s) had behavioral and social issues, not because she was a bad mother and thus deserved it, but because there was a diagnosable developmental disability.
She got a fair amount of flack from her colleagues and others in the conservative community for insisting upon all this.
@trollhattan: The part about the check is incorrect. Berkshire Hathaway companies carry a deferred tax liability on their books. Since the tax rate was lowered, then the liability (deferred or otherwise) was removed (at least partially). Since the liability was removed, it had to go somewhere and that is into retained earnings. It was a balance sheet transfer; I am unclear as to what real world consequences there might have been. I suspect Mr. Buffet overstates the case somewhat. I doubt he was in favor of the tax cut even if it there were enormous benefits for him and his company.
Mona should know better than to provoke the ‘Daddy Party‘:
@Amir Khalid: pretty sure there isn’t any line that hasn’t been crossed at cpac…unless she was advocating for sensible gun laws and equality for all…. Those are the lines you can’t cross.
Mike in NC
Does CPAC last as long as the Winter Olympics or does it just seem that way?
@Chet Murthy: I disagree strongly that they are sacrificing their futures for this cause.
Their focus may change when it comes to their major fields of study but they will be very focused on getting an education that will serve them in this cause, make them better to serve the cause. That’s how it worked with a friend who took a year+ off from college during the civil rights movement and when he had done all he could do as a very young man he returned to college and became a lawyer in order to better serve that cause.
I always thought Doug! = 1*2*3*4* …. *Doug.
DiFi and Jackie Speier could conduct a masters class on the effects of gun violence. It’s arguable that Feinstein wouldn’t even have a political career absent Dan White.
@Mike in NC:
This CPAC’s longer than usual because the keep interrupting it to watch biathlon from the privacy of their hotel rooms.
@Chet Murthy: organizing is a very important skill. I wouldn’t call it a deadweight loss. There will always be powerful people who abuse their power.
@unpopularopinion: This is exactly right.The anticipated tax liability in future years for repatriating earnings or accounting standard changes or timing differences (accelerated depreciation, pension liabilities paid at a future date, capitalized leases, and the like), is booked as an income tax expense on financial statements subject to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP). All publicly traded companies are subject to GAAP. This tax expense is almost always different than the actual cash paid on the tax returns. If the anticipated liability is suddenly reduced due to the reduction of the rates, you pick it up as non-operating one time charge as income from extraordinary items, which then flows directly into Retained Earnings. NO cash is involved. You’ve just been relieved of a future estimated anticipated Federal Tax liability, that’s all. Back to work. March 15 and April 15 are coming fast.
Great comment, Chet. I’ve had thoughts along those lines for years. You can apply it to any struggle for what should be baseline justice. For example, with GLBT issues — just how much work and creative energy had to be diverted into fighting for equality that might have gone into other endeavors? How many great books not written, how many scientific advances delayed?
@Jerzy Russian: That’s always true, if Doug is large then we can make a quick approximation
@Mnemosyne: I can see why you thought he was a WASP because I did too.
To my old-fashioned sense of it, there doesn’t seem to be much Jewish about him: no sense of humor, and no sense of irony, for starters.
Learning on this thread that he spent his childhood in Stuyvesant Town in lower Manhattan means that he was surrounded by Jews and Jewish culture. He was within walking distance of the Lower East Side. You are a movie person, remember that movie about the single young women who falls in love with the pickle guy? That’s the milieu Brooks grew up in.
I can’t help but think it was a conscious decision on his part to be as WASPY as possible.
@Ohio Mom: Can we assume one of his ancestors changed the family name to Brooks?
@schrodingers_cat: [ waves ] – We’re from the same class at Chicago. I didn’t know him there.
University of Chicago Magazine (from 2004):
Friedman was a smart guy and could come up with pithy arguments, but anyone taking History at Chicago should have learned that there’s more to the pathway to the truth than accepting pithy arguments from some authority figure. A Nobel Prize winner should have little trouble defeating an undergrad in a debate in his field – why Brooks was awed by the outcome is another sign of failure of his education, IMHO.
@Chet Murthy: becoming an activist to correct a massive wrong occurring in a society is just as much of an investment in a civil society as becoming some profession. Msometimes it’s more value to society that someone do these things than becoming a doctor. Unless they otherwise we’re going to discover the cure for cancer, rolling back gun extremism in our society will probably benefit all of us more. Maybe George Washingtons father thought it was a shame he got side tracked from being the best plantation manager he could have been or something.
I don’t think we are losing overall with this choice. Hope a few of them end up winning elected office in the future.
@M. Bouffant: Yes, I think that is a fair assumption.
@Another Scott: There was also another commenter who knew him in high school or middle school.
I’m blanking on the movie’s title (I think it was Delancey Street), but it starred Amy Irving and Peter Reigert.
“Brooks” is a pretty common Jewish last name — it’s the one Melvin Kaminsky chose when he decided to go into show business. It was probably David Brooks’ father or grandfather who picked it.
J R in WV
“I think Brooks is a WASP, though, so he actually is an insider.”
Well, actually – he was. His former wife converted to marry him, so his children are Jewish to Reform and Conservative Rabbis, and to some Rabbis in Israel.
But he divorced her a couple of years ago. Lately he married his former assistant, and I think he converted to her religion, some kind of Christianity. I won’t bet my wallet on it, but that’s what it looks like if you Google Davie Brooks religions conversion.
So, strange. Very strange. Perhaps Brooks has no real beliefs, just things he says to get paid? Or to get, well, other things.
@Mnemosyne: Albert Lawrence Einstein took “Brooks” as his professional entertainer name, also too, of course.
@Mnemosyne: The title was Crossing Delancy. It was wonderful.
@Mnemosyne: Yes, that is it.
That’s it! I was too lazy to open up IMDb, but I knew “Delancey” was in there somewhere.
@Tom: No, you are right. Clearly, we all have the same movie in mind.
@Mnemosyne: How could I forget the fabulous Mel Brooks?
@Mnemosyne: Not to mention the comedian and director formerly named Albert Einstein.
EDIT: Oops, I see Another Scott beat me to it.
Albert’s brother is still named Bob Einstein, although we mostly know him as Super Dave Osborne.
@Another Scott: Or forget Albert B.? (Whose father’s professional name was Parkyakarkus.)
Anyone know of any particular reason “Brooks” was a popular choice for a new moniker?
When I was growing up in the 1950s and 60s in NYC, European Jewish last names were an occasional topic of conversation among our parents and grandparents’ generations.
They would point out to us young uns that “With that name, they must have come from Poland” or Russia, or wherever. To a young child who knew only English and very little geography, this seemed very arcane.
Names that had been Americanized were also topic of discussion, with guessing what it was originally, and also sometimes derision, unless there was an obviously good reason behind the change.
A stage name for Hollywood’s sake was very acceptable. We were always told of these movie stars, “That’s his stage name, his real name is (something very Jewish).” Again, to a young child who wasn’t old enough for most movies, this concern of the adults was mysterious to me.
@Another Scott: His brother stayed Bob Einstein but became better known by his character “Super Dave Osborne”.
I understand what you mean, but I don’t see it as giving up a future. I hope they have found a cause.
People like to talk about the hippie era as though everyone from that time became an activist. Not everyone did, but I applaud those who did and tried to provide some small assistance where I could.
Those who have survived and been witness to domestic terrorism have endured what no one should have to gi through. They make up their own special society. That some of them are deciding to bear witness and have said “Enough!” just thrills me to the core. And those who continue in this cause will forever have my admiration and respect.
Jake the antisoshul soshulist
There’s also Bibi if that makes you feel better. ?
I don’t wanna know. I don’t wanna know, I really don’t wanna know what …kind of supplements, do I?
Love that movie.
The Pickle Man won the day??
@Yarrow: This is a more appropriate use of his time, imo.
What is that quote about eternal vigilance being the price of liberty? It’s kinda true.
@M. Bouffant: More likely a lazy clerk at Ellis Island.
@Chet Murthy: You bring up a point I hadn’t thought of yet. You make sense and you are correct. Our civilization has devolved to the point that children are forced to defend themselves and their peers. They have seen the reality that so many try to avoid. I could list other defenders who are forced to adopt survival tactics in the US, but I think Ballon Juice readers and commenters know that I would be putting Black Lives Matter and Dreamers at the top of such a list. This is an immediate reaction and not a thought-out comment, but please know that I’ll be living with the thoughts you’ve inspired for much of today, trying to make sense of the senseless.