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You are here: Home / Nature & Respite / Birdwatching / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

by Betty Cracker|  March 25, 20182:11 pm| 164 Comments

This post is in: Birdwatching, Open Threads, Assholes, General Stupidity

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GOOD — As those of you who follow me on Twitter know, we were lucky enough to host a flock of cedar waxwings in our bamboo this morning. These birds have cooler ‘dos and shades than any human being I’ve ever seen:

BAD — The retired Fox News rage-gramps who pretends to be president on TV is golfing at his self-branded club in Florida today. He has spent a quarter of his presidency golfing, which would be a scandal if these were normal times. But I’m grateful for every goddamned second he befouls his own greens because people with cobwebs like this lurking in their noggins don’t have any business serving as clubhouse restroom attendant, much less president of a nuclear-armed state:

Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich. Building a great Border Wall, with drugs (poison) and enemy combatants pouring into our Country, is all about National Defense. Build WALL through M!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 25, 2018

UGLY — Stormy Daniels’ lawyer tweeted an image of a CD in a safe earlier this week. Daniels will be interviewed on “60 Minutes” tonight. Unless Daniels’ attorney is doing a build-up that will become more infamously lame than Geraldo’s empty Capone safe reveal, we’re going to be exposed to hideous, nausea-inducing images soon. (“Alexa, order ALL the brain bleach!”) If Trump dick pics (or worse) emerge, I pledge to you all not to publish them here.

Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 2:13 pm

    I am hoping the CBS interview stays on facts and less on salacious details.

  2. 2.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    I keep seeing promos for the Stormy 60 Minutes interview tonight.

    Anderson saying “I’m not sure why you’re doing this interview!”

    I’m not sure why they keep running that same quote in the promos. Are they promising he’ll be tough on her?

  3. 3.

    aimai

    March 25, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    I just don’t see that dick pix matter at all. Trump’s followers will never leave him and Trump’s GOP won’t leave him even if he is the last man wandering incoherently around the white house in a robe and slippers talking to the mirrors.

  4. 4.

    MattF

    March 25, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    I suppose that Trump has some sort of paraphilia, but I really don’t care what it is.

  5. 5.

    TaMara (HFG)

    March 25, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    I wish Stormy wasn’t a story. I don’t give a fuck about consensual sex. Now if there is something illegal happening, then sure, spill it. The only person who should be taking notes tonight is Melania to be used in any way she feels fit. Stay, go, kick him in his balls, no matter to me.

  6. 6.

    JR

    March 25, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    By the end of the week, spotted dick is going to more than an English dessert.

  7. 7.

    oatler.

    March 25, 2018 at 2:20 pm

    I’m passing up the interview to catch a Bob’s Burgers rerun.

  8. 8.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): It was consensual, but what I find disturbing is the payoff, the intimidation, etc.

  9. 9.

    Mary G

    March 25, 2018 at 2:22 pm

    WaPo says Twitler feels like the administration is running like a smooth machine and is perplexed by all the news reports of chaos. Lol!

    Plus:

    While in Florida, Trump also continued to attack Rex Tillerson, saying in conversations with associates that the recently deposed secretary of state did not have the “brains or energy” for the job. Trump seems to still be infuriated by Tillerson, according to a person who spoke with the president. Among other things, Trump remains upset over reports that Tillerson had called him a “moron.”

    Dog save us. He’s a four-year-old in a 71-year-old body. Actually, that’s an insult to four-year-olds. Someone as lazy as he is has some nerve talking about other people’s energy.

    That is a beautiful photo, Betty.

  10. 10.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 25, 2018 at 2:22 pm

    @JR: Eeww.
    @TaMara (HFG): If she is the reason he falls, I will take it.

  11. 11.

    MattF

    March 25, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    @Mary G: Trump is extremely sensitive about the ‘genius’ thing. And, if you’re a moron… you’re not a genius.

  12. 12.

    lamh36

    March 25, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    @germy: yeah…that was the teaser clip. We’ll see, but says to me CBS will want to treat Daniels like a hostile witness…we’ll see. Well, I won’t see, but I will be checking the play by play on FB.

    It may also explain why the lawyer posted the tweet he did saying no matter what is shown on CBS, know that the full interview will be edited for time, but even so, it is not the END of the information they have to come out.

    My money say, if CBS wants to be taken even a bit seriously after holding the interveiw all this time…then they better have something dramatic or explosive..or they’ll look more foolish than Daniels or her team…

    ETA: @Corner Stone: I don’t think CBS will go for salacious in any way..but they’d better have somethine better than just bullshit

  13. 13.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): I am thinking the interview is meant to tweak Trump into tweeting something defamatory about Stormy.

  14. 14.

    JMG

    March 25, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    My guess is that the Daniels interview will be just a tease — as she wishes. She’ll hint at stuff but won’t spill the beans, the better to move her story into a more personally profitable forum than a free interview on 60 Minutes. For her, that’s free advertising. She’s smart.

  15. 15.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    March 25, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):

    It matters to me because conservatives and the GOP made such a gigantinormous deal out of it with Bill.

  16. 16.

    Betty Cracker

    March 25, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): The payoff during the campaign interests me since it’s likely a crime. Trump’s hard core base won’t give a shit, but non-stop sleaze about Trump might be marginally helpful to Democrats in that it underscores what a gross perv Trump is, throws the moral bankruptcy of his congressional enablers into sharper relief and reveals yet again what disgusting hypocrites white evangelicals who defend him are.

  17. 17.

    Mnemosyne

    March 25, 2018 at 2:27 pm

    @Mary G:

    WaPo says Twitler feels like the administration is running like a smooth machine and is perplexed by all the news reports of chaos.

    Of course he is, because he really thinks his behavior is normal. Chaos is what he’s used to. He prefers it, actually, because creating chaos allows him to manipulate the people around him.

  18. 18.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 25, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): on NPR this morning they were still talking about “potential” campaign finance violations, including saying it would 130K came from the trump company or campaign. Susan Simpson pretty much settled that for me, but IANAL.

  19. 19.

    MattF

    March 25, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Maybe I’m yielding to a stereotype, but I suspect that white evangelical women have a major problem with Stormy.

  20. 20.

    Brachiator

    March 25, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    Except to the extent that it causes Trump heartburn and indigestion, I don’t care about the Stormy Daniels interview. Maybe it might shift some voters as we go into the midterms, or store up some extra opposition in 2020, but otherwise it’s just more Trumpian circus.

    Now this:

    Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich.

    Stupidity bordering on incoherence. The military is “rich” again??

    ETA. Where are all the hand wringing family values hypocrites wondering why Melania is standing by her adulterous politician husband? Do the Trumps have a “one way open marriage,” as some salacious bullshit article phonily “revealed” about Bill Clinton?

  21. 21.

    Mnemosyne

    March 25, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    @MattF:

    They’ll just tell themselves that Daniels is a lying hoo-ar who seduced poor, innocent Donald with her evil Democratic wiles.

  22. 22.

    zhena gogolia

    March 25, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    When I was a little girl I had a book with stickers of birds, and my two favorites were the roseate spoonbill and the cedar waxwing. I envy you — this is the only reason to ever go to Florida!

  23. 23.

    Gravenstone

    March 25, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Unfortunately, the Trump campaign are the ones who made it a story, by trying to silence her (and others, apparently) with these NDAs and buyouts. That made it a campaign finance violation, at minimum. Yes, the excruciating details of their personal interactions are superfluous. But the violations are the key.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    March 25, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    @JMG: My guess is that any photos or video released won’t be salacious but will feature Stormy and Trump together.

  25. 25.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 25, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Hell they smeared Hillary with Bill’s women. Do you remember the last debate.

  26. 26.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    It matters to me because conservatives and the GOP made such a gigantinormous deal out of it with Bill.

    As well they should have.

    After all, not only were Bill’s “wanderings” all Hitlary’s fault, but it will be revealed ANY DAY NOW that Daniels, McDougal, and all those other lying sluts and hoo-ars (thanks, Mnem!) were put up to it by Hitlary (with help from George Soros and Saul Alinksy) as part of her grand plan to something something something. And I’m sure you all noticed the Whitewater connection (McDougal)! Chief Editor Korir has the tape to prove it all!!!

    Wake up, sheeple!!!

  27. 27.

    Ryan

    March 25, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    I hope I am wrong, but I’m going to prepare for what I assume will be Infrastructure Week next week.

  28. 28.

    J R in WV

    March 25, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    @JR:

    Hey, everyone, I just want to point out that this guy, “JR” is not me, J R in WV — Spotted Dick…. just eewwwww! ;-)

    Betty, Many Years ago when we bought our farm, the old farmhouse had a big Cedar tree just a few yards from the kitchen door. One sunny morning the tree was moving in a hallucinogenic way.

    Upon a closer look, a big flock of Cedar Waxwings was stripping the tree of all it’s tiny blue berries. They were moving over the ends of the branches working hard to get more berries than the next bird. It was one of the better birdwatching moments we’ve ever had.

    But no pics. Pics or it didn’t happen, right? You got the pics! Great birds, so interesting. Thanks.

  29. 29.

    zhena gogolia

    March 25, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Right.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    March 25, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    @Ryan: I believe we are now doing Infrastructure Year.

  31. 31.

    trollhattan

    March 25, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    @Baud:
    Just checked and street in front of house: suddenly smooth like billiard table. Thanks, Infrastructure Year!

  32. 32.

    HeleninEire

    March 25, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    @Corner Stone: I am hoping for salacious details. It’s the only way it will get traction. Welcome to America where my RWNJ cousin cannot name HER own Congressman but can name MY former Congressman……wait for it…..Anthony Weiner.

  33. 33.

    patroclus

    March 25, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    Infrastructure week is the most wonderful time of the year.

  34. 34.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    March 25, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): If he paid for sex, that’s illegal in most jurisdictions.

  35. 35.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    I wonder how many lawyers have been contacting Melania begging to represent her when she files for divorce?

  36. 36.

    Gelfling 545

    March 25, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    I do hope we will be spared seeing Trump in a state of nature. Both mind and stomach revolt at the prospect.

  37. 37.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Just checked and street in front of house: suddenly smooth like billiard table. Thanks, Infrastructure Year!

    You wouldn’t be trying to snooker us, would you? Because I’d hate to end up behind the eight ball. That would break me.

    But I’ll take my cues from you. If you’ve lied to me, I’ll just chalk it up to experience.

  38. 38.

    Brachiator

    March 25, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    @MattF:

    Maybe I’m yielding to a stereotype, but I suspect that white evangelical women have a major problem with Stormy.

    And yet, they have been strangely silent. Or they fall back on their tortured assertion that God is using an imperfect Trump to end abortion, save America, etc.

    Their husbands, however, have mixed feelings about this scandal because Stormy Daniels is one of their favorite p0rn stars. We know this for a fact.

    P0rnhub, the 36th-most popular website in the world, reports that just five days after reports of the affair, searches for Daniels reached 2 million in one day. Although Daniels has not consistently maintained that rarefied level of interest, searches for Daniels remain far higher than before her connection to Trump came out.

    The data-crunchers at P0rnhub didn’t just analyze the fact that the jump happened, they’ve also looked into whose interest is most piqued. Overall, people in “red states”—parts of the US that tend to vote Republican—are 12% more likely to search for Daniels than people in Democrat-friendly “blue states,” and the spikes are greater in these states when she hits the news cycle.

    Linky

    https://qz.com/1226332/pornhub-searches-for-stormy-daniels-are-way-up-particularly-in-red-states-after-trump-allegations/

  39. 39.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    @HeleninEire: IMO, if the balance is too far into the sex and the kink or whatever else, and not enough verifiable items such as payments, threats, documents, etc then it will be much easier for the media to play it as a sex scandal only, and *not* as anything illegal.

  40. 40.

    opiejeanne

    March 25, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    She said his dick looked like ALF’s nose

  41. 41.

    Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    March 25, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Also, if ever a politician deserved to be taken down by a woman, it’s Trump.

  42. 42.

    mike in dc

    March 25, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    In honor of the March, Trump will remain silent for 6 minutes and 20 seconds whenever asked about Stormy Daniels or Vladimir Putin.

  43. 43.

    SmokeyB

    March 25, 2018 at 2:45 pm

    Yes, another great wildlife photo Betty. Do you use a fancy camera or just your phone?

    I think Melania is in on the game too. She is only acting like she is upset. She knew exactly what a wretched liar Herr Drumpf is when they married. Supposedly when they first met, he was on a date with someone else, but still asked for Mel’s phone number. Classy!

  44. 44.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 2:45 pm

    Our fearless, macho President – the same one who dodged the draft, boasted he'd win a fist fight with Joe Biden, and claimed he'd run in unarmed to take on a school shooter – had his motorcade reroute to dodge frightening teenage protesters.https://t.co/4MdgkagckH via @RVAwonk— Avi (@AviAhvee) March 25, 2018

  45. 45.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 2:45 pm

    @Brachiator: My God, P0rnhub is Facebooking me! They’re keeping track of everything I search for?! DELETEDELETEDELETEDELETE!!!

  46. 46.

    Feebog

    March 25, 2018 at 2:51 pm

    Lordy, I hope there is no sex tape. The thought of Trump’s ginormous ass filling a 47 inch tv screen is enough to make me gouge my eyes out.

  47. 47.

    mai naem mobile

    March 25, 2018 at 2:51 pm

    I don’t give a crap about the consexual sexy time but if it damages him with a slow rod his base, the indies and it adds to the general shitshow that this idiotic administration is about I am all for it. It adds to the general fatigue and hopefully helps the Dems take Congress.

  48. 48.

    ??‍? Martin

    March 25, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    Are Latinos just enemy combatants now?

  49. 49.

    brendancalling

    March 25, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    My bet is he paid for her to have an abortion and she has the receipts.

  50. 50.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    March 25, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Yes, indeed. Conservatives hiss the name Hillary the way Seinfeld used to say Newman.

  51. 51.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    March 25, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    @Feebog:

    Talk about a bad moon rising….

  52. 52.

    JPL

    March 25, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    @mai naem mobile: His base won’t care.

  53. 53.

    MattF

    March 25, 2018 at 2:57 pm

    @brendancalling: More likely, Trump promised to pay for an abortion, but lied.

  54. 54.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 2:57 pm

    @brendancalling:

    My bet is he paid for her to have an abortion and she has the receipts.

    That’s about as likely as him having a BMI of 29.5.

  55. 55.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 2:57 pm

    @mai naem mobile:

    him with a slow rod

    MY.GOD! I can not believe you just typed that.

  56. 56.

    ??‍? Martin

    March 25, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    @MattF: They don’t. We keep presuming they look at Trump as a role model. But he’s a gatekeeper. So long as he delivers the white supremacy, they could care less about what image he projects. The nonstop sex scandals in Alabama haven’t slowed the GOP one whit.

  57. 57.

    trollhattan

    March 25, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    @SFAW:
    Perhaps you felt green with envy?

  58. 58.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 25, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    @brendancalling: her lawyer was pretty adamant about the stuff about pregnancy and paternity not applying to her, but I think the language was part of his standard mistress NDA, and apparently he has a standard mistress NDA

  59. 59.

    trollhattan

    March 25, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    @MattF:
    Now that’s the Donny we know.

  60. 60.

    Nicole

    March 25, 2018 at 3:01 pm

    Oh, cedar waxwings. Just like many members of my family, inclined toward alcoholism:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/home/how-birds-get-buzzed/2016/10/18/ceab2390-8ef6-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html?utm_term=.679c41a89bc5

    This article talks about a lot of species that do this, but cedar waxwings are especially susceptible to the lure of fermented berries. My 10th grade biology teacher was a passionate bird watcher and I remember him howling with laughter while trying to tell our class about watching drunk cedar waxwings every spring.

  61. 61.

    Sister Golden Bear

    March 25, 2018 at 3:01 pm

    @aimai: It won’t matter to the deadenders, but if it peels away another round of people at the margins that’s a Good Thing. Worth the eye bleach.

  62. 62.

    trollhattan

    March 25, 2018 at 3:01 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Implying there’s also a “standard mistress.”

    1. Looks like Ivanka.
    2. Boobies!
    3. Says I’m awesome, the best, also genius.
    4. Looks like Ivanka.

  63. 63.

    Brachiator

    March 25, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    @??‍? Martin:

    They don’t. We keep presuming they look at Trump as a role model. But he’s a gatekeeper. So long as he delivers the white supremacy, they could care less about what image he projects.

    Yep.

  64. 64.

    Immanentize

    March 25, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    @MattF:
    I think Catholic men and women — in fact a LOT of people of all faiths or no faith — get very upset about a man sleeping around when his wife is pregnant or just gave birth. It is one of the last fidelity taboos, I think.

  65. 65.

    Mnemosyne

    March 25, 2018 at 3:05 pm

    @??‍? Martin:

    The nonstop sex scandals in Alabama haven’t slowed the GOP one whit.

    Well, except for the whole Doug Jones thing. But I guess that was a statewide vote that jumped over the gerrymanders.

  66. 66.

    trollhattan

    March 25, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    @Immanentize:
    Is there any chance they didn’t know all this before electing him? Thrice-married, just like Newt. My take is they’d elect Vlad the Impaler if they thought he’d push their pet projects through. “It’s the message, not the messenger.”

  67. 67.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: According to a Vox Explainer thing I skimmed, Trump had sex and/or propositioned four women during a three day golfing event at Lake Tahoe. Three porn stars and a Playboy model.

  68. 68.

    MattF

    March 25, 2018 at 3:10 pm

    @Corner Stone: So, his paraphilia is golf-related.

  69. 69.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 25, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    @J R in WV: Every time I see either nym I am reminded of the eerily prescient novel of that name by William Gaddis.

  70. 70.

    Immanentize

    March 25, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    @trollhattan: I agree many wouldn’t care about anything. And many more probably thought he was an unfaithful jerk.

    What I’m saying is the second one is far more acceptable than proof you were sleeping with not one — but two! Pornography professionals while your wife was pregnant or just gave birth (or while nursing, perhaps?)

    The deadenders are, well, dead enders. But a bunch of people who would overlook his affairs may not be so willing to accept the insult to his wife.

    We should ask John Kelly, he is an expert on the sacred quality of women….

  71. 71.

    The Thin Black Duke

    March 25, 2018 at 3:14 pm

    @Immanentize: Yeah, but when push comes to shove, they’ll vote for Trump in 2020, no matter how “upset” they are. Same as it ever was.

  72. 72.

    Calouste

    March 25, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    @Corner Stone: Three porn stars at a golfing event… Did they play golf? It would be interesting to know who else was attending that event.

  73. 73.

    dmsilev

    March 25, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Alabama proved that serial pedophilia was barely not okay with their electorate. Needless to say, that’s a really really low bar to have cleared.

  74. 74.

    Immanentize

    March 25, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: Not all of them. Trump is losing voters, not gaining them. This election was won at the extreme margins and we should be pleased with any crowbar we are given to pry a few more voters away from him.

  75. 75.

    Ruckus

    March 25, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    @Gravenstone:
    Isn’t the coverup always the story? Shows knowing intent and guilt.

  76. 76.

    PaulWartenberg

    March 25, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    I doubt we’ll see actual mini-trump (most networks will be discrete)

    What I heard earlier was that Daniels reportedly told others that Cadet Bone Spurs was into roleplay S&M… as the SUB. which is NEVER a good look for a guy pretending to be an Alpha Male on the global stage.

  77. 77.

    cynthia ackerman

    March 25, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    @SFAW:

    A real troll would have thought to work in Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and Willie Horton.

    Sleaze is sleaze, but melanin is what makes the crazy go round.

  78. 78.

    Nicole

    March 25, 2018 at 3:20 pm

    Also, I’m going to watch 60 Minutes tonight and I’m already hating myself in advance. You’d think I’d have learned from the Rachel Maddow Trump tax return thing, but I guess I have not.

    I find it hard to believe, after the Dan Rather-Bush National Guard imbroglio, that CBS is going to take any risks.

    I will be very happy if I am wrong.

  79. 79.

    James E. Powell

    March 25, 2018 at 3:20 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I am hoping the CBS interview stays on facts and less on salacious details.

    That’s a big ask. I’m trying to remember the last time any network, broadcast or cable, chose facts over salacious details.

  80. 80.

    danielx

    March 25, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    If Trump dick pics (or worse) emerge, I pledge to you all not to publish them here.

    Doan throw me in that briar patch!

  81. 81.

    J R in WV

    March 25, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Thanks, I will look that up as I have (embarrassingly) never read it.

  82. 82.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 3:25 pm

    @cynthia ackerman:

    A real troll would have thought to work in Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and Willie Horton.

    I thought the “Chief Editor Korir” thing was a good-enough stand-in.

    Willie Horton? Isn’t 30-year-old sleaze beyond the statute of limitations?

  83. 83.

    Brachiator

    March 25, 2018 at 3:25 pm

    @Immanentize:

    I think Catholic men and women — in fact a LOT of people of all faiths or no faith — get very upset about a man sleeping around when his wife is pregnant or just gave birth. It is one of the last fidelity taboos, I think.

    Don’t know about Catholics, but white evangelicals have tossed out the pretense that their politicians must have strong moral character.

    In 2011, 30 percent of white evangelicals said that “an elected official who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically and fulfill their duties in their public and professional life.” Now, 72 percent say so — a far bigger swing than other religious groups the poll studied.

    Linky

    https://www.npr.org/2016/10/23/498890836/poll-white-evangelicals-have-warmed-to-politicians-who-commit-immoral-acts

  84. 84.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    @PaulWartenberg:

    What I heard earlier was that Daniels reportedly told others that Cadet Bone Spurs was into roleplay S&M… as the SUB.

    I thought alpha males always played the sub behind closed doors.

  85. 85.

    Cermet

    March 25, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    There is no possible image on that CD that could ever be as sicking or perverted as any photo of that orange fart cloud in the White House pretending to be president – period.

  86. 86.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Perhaps you felt green with envy?

    I’ll try to scratch up some more half-witticisms, keep them in my back pocket. And you can bank that to the take.

  87. 87.

    danielx

    March 25, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    I admit that ordinarily I’d avoid any possible discussion or mention of the pathetic presidential junk like the devil avoids holy water. But this may be too good to pass up.

  88. 88.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    @Calouste: I didn’t actually read the whole thing because it bored me. Kind of like eating your vegetables. Vox:
    The definitive guide to the Stormy Daniels scandal
    “From July 13 to 16, 2006, the Edgewood Tahoe Golf Course hosted the American Century Championship celebrity golf tournament, whose contestants included hockey legend Mario Lemieux, football players Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger, talk show host Maury Povich, comedians Ray Romano and Kevin Nealon, former Vice President Dan Quayle, and, of course, Donald Trump. Trump placed 62nd out of 80.”

  89. 89.

    dnfree

    March 25, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    Since this is an open thread, is anyone else still on Facebook having the same experience I am today? Ad after ad in my feed, none of them that would fit my profile, for skin products, clothing, scammy-sounding investments, and on and on. I painstakingly mark each of them as something to please not show me again. This is far more ads than I get in a normal day. The last one is completely bizarre for a company that is currently undergoing scrutiny because of fake quizzes etc. “Discover why Kim and Khloe Kardashian, Chris Pratt, Marvel Superheroes, Brie Larson, and many more are taking this body type quiz by Dr. Goglia to help find the right foods for their Body Type.”

    Really??? Because I for sure want to take the same quizzes the Kardashians are taking!

  90. 90.

    AnonPhenom

    March 25, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    @HeleninEire:
    …and may the real life imitate the art

  91. 91.

    dmsilev

    March 25, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    @SFAW:

    Willie Horton? Isn’t 30-year-old sleaze beyond the statute of limitations?

    You must be joking. Right wingers complain about the Carter Administration, Chappaquidick, The Great Society, Truman ‘losing’ China, and pretty much all of the New Deal.

  92. 92.

    zhena gogolia

    March 25, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Right. I really don’t see why people don’t get this. People always say, “His base won’t care.” Who gives a damn? His base alone can’t win the election for him. We have to make it unacceptable for the “oh, gee, but her e-mails” crowd to vote for him.

  93. 93.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 25, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    @J R in WV: It’s a challenging read.

  94. 94.

    Brachiator

    March 25, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    @Calouste:

    Three porn stars at a golfing event… Did they play golf?

    They were Tiger Woods’ leftovers.

  95. 95.

    MattF

    March 25, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: And over 700 pages.

  96. 96.

    Immanentize

    March 25, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    @zhena gogolia:
    also, too — this is why Melania bashing and mocking is very bad for people to oppose Trump. I won’t do it. We should show concern. Ask questions. Treat her like a regular adult woman. Like people treated Hillary when Bill messed around. Or Michele when Barack did not mess around. She has agency, she can account for herself.

  97. 97.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    A thousand miles apart.

    WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — When porn star Stormy Daniels appears Sunday night on “60 Minutes,” this much is clear: The segment won’t be family viewing in the White House.

    President Trump, who has been spending the weekend at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., is scheduled to return to the White House ahead of the highly anticipated interview. But first lady Melania Trump, who traveled to Florida with the president on Friday, is staying behind.

    “The First Lady will be staying in Florida as is their tradition for spring break,” White House spokeswoman Lindsay Walters said in a late Sunday morning statement.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/03/25/trump-first-lady-will-be-1000-miles-apart-when-stormy-daniels-appears-on-60-minutes/?utm_term=.d5fd71d3a5a5

  98. 98.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    @SFAW: I was hoping we could use a little english to clear the table of these combo puns.

  99. 99.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    @Immanentize:

    We should show concern. Ask questions.

    Melania was very entertaining when she appeared on The View, questioning Obama’s birth certificate.

  100. 100.

    cmorenc

    March 25, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    @JMG:

    My guess is that the Daniels interview will be just a tease — as she wishes. She’ll hint at stuff but won’t spill the beans, the better to move her story into a more personally profitable forum than a free interview on 60 Minutes. For her, that’s free advertising. She’s smart.

    Strippers don’t let you see all their bits at once, even the ones who do get full nekkid before their time on stage is over.

  101. 101.

    Brachiator

    March 25, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    @Immanentize:

    also, too — this is why Melania bashing and mocking is very bad for people to oppose Trump. … She has agency

    I thought that Trump got her from an agency.

  102. 102.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    @germy: I have zero fucks to give about Melania.

  103. 103.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    Rush Limbaugh:

    … I’m gonna do this in what I think is the voice of your average Trump voter, okay? …. “Okay. So Trump had affairs with really beautiful women. Right? And maybe they were porn stars and Playboy models. So what!

    “Good for him! Trump was a playboy himself. Everybody knows that, and what’s wrong with liking really incredibly good-looking, exotic women? Where’s the crime in that? Hell, Trump’s married three of them. What in the world is wrong with this? So what?” Is what I think the average Trump voter will say….

    But let me tell you how this differs totally from Bill Clinton — and it matters. All of this sex, all these affairs with Trump and Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, whoever they are? All consensual, right? Yes, it was. It was all consensual. None of them are alleging any abuse. They’re mad they signed the NDA, but they’re complaining that they were mistreated, are they? Nope! You can’t say that about Clinton. Clinton’s sex was, in a lot of these women’s cases, unwanted.

    And I gotta be very careful here, folks, but in the voice, again, of your average Trump voter, these women with whom Clinton was involved were, shall we say — you wouldn’t call ’em exotic….

    Nobody knew who they were beforehand. They were not women putting it all out there. They weren’t in porn movies. They weren’t posing for Playboy. I think some of them tried in the Clinton aftermath, but they were not that beforehand. They were middle income working women that Bill Clinton attacked, in some cases stalked, harassed.

    … Trump does not do this! Trump does not harass, he does not stalk, he does not abuse or any of that, like Clinton did. And it’s a big difference! Okay, so your average Trump voter, “Okay, so he paid them to be quiet. I can understand that. That’s just the price that Trump is willing to pay and that they were willing to accept to do the deal. So what? It was a transaction.”

    That’s what I think the average Trump voter’s reaction to this is and is gonna be.

  104. 104.

    germy

    March 25, 2018 at 3:47 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I thought that drumpf got her from an agency.

    So romantic!

    His first words: “That one.”

  105. 105.

    Baud

    March 25, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    @germy: Don’t bring that garbage in here.

  106. 106.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    Another one of our NeverTrump “allies”:

    Tim Miller
    ‏Verified account @Timodc

    “The politician x got $ in exchange for dead kids” isn’t just rhetorically out of bounds it is also wrong and counterproductive. Even if you grant that a pol is opposing gun control bc of politics it’s pressure from base *voters* not a few thousand bucks that’s doing it. 1/

  107. 107.

    Immanentize

    March 25, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    @Brachiator: nice

  108. 108.

    Julia Grey

    March 25, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    @brendancalling:

    My bet is he paid for her to have an abortion and she has the receipts.

    Her lawyer in one of his interviews explicitly ruled that out. Alas.

  109. 109.

    Immanentize

    March 25, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    @germy: so, what’s the standard?. The one Trump sets? Ugh.

  110. 110.

    Quaker in a Basement

    March 25, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    Build WALL through M?

    Dafuq?

  111. 111.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 25, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    @Corner Stone: I have never heard of this tone police before.

  112. 112.

    Immanentize

    March 25, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    @Quaker in a Basement: I wondered that too. He ran out of characters. I assumed M=Mexio. But through?!

  113. 113.

    John Fremont

    March 25, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    @germy: So Rush has completely ditched the whole “Character Matters” monologue he did when Clinton’s affairs were in the news back then? Clinton should step down due to his lack of character . Water is wet, Rush is a partisan hack.

  114. 114.

    JPL

    March 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    Tomorrow Fox and Friends will once again talk about Hillary and collusion. What won’t be mentioned is the march for our lives or Stormy.

  115. 115.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: He does media collaborations with the Obama Bros. Used to work for Jeb!
    He’s not really important in and of himself. Just a marker I like to keep up with.

  116. 116.

    p

    March 25, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    the first time i saw a cedar waxwing i thought of 1920’s vogue models…

  117. 117.

    donnah

    March 25, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Cedar waxwings are a fave of mine, Betty. Where we used to live, there was a giant mulberry bush that reached to the second floor windows. When the berries were ripe, we would get as many as a dozen waxwings at a time, devouring the berries as quickly as they could. Peering carefully through the curtains, we could see them very close. Their feathers are so smooth and beautifully colored, they look like velvet.

    I’m glad Stormy is going to speak, because it will apply more publcity and therefore more pressure on the Vainglorious Potato Head. If it in any way pisses him off, I’m all for it. Since the Religious Right has given him a “mulligan” on his checkered libidinous past, I want them to see what they’re passing on.

  118. 118.

    boatboy_srq

    March 25, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Salacious stories of spousal infidelity seem least unlikely to sway the rubery.

    Robbery/fraud? “Good for Hair Furor being a savvy businessman.” Madlib foreign policy? “Unpredictability will put USA on top of the heap again.” Russian meddling? “See, even foreign leaders know what’s best for Murika.” Insane tax/budget? “Remember, deficits don’t matter.” But at some point the fact that Lord Dampnut can’t keep the Cheeto in its wrapper will matter to the rink and file who wouldn’t be able to afford the kind of “lifestyle” he sleeps through.

    OTOH, I keep wondering when some Xtianist wingnut will point to “three wives and [uncounted] concubines” as some obscure sign of Lord Dampnut’s Blessed Election.

  119. 119.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 25, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    @Quaker in a Basement: @Immanentize: M=Military

  120. 120.

    RedDirtGirl

    March 25, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    @Corner Stone: That seems like a good bit of strategery.

  121. 121.

    cynthia ackerman

    March 25, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Ditto.

    Plus, Horton is one part sleaze to ninety-nine parts melanin.

    Get your priorities straight if you want to speak troll.

  122. 122.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    March 25, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    @John Fremont:

    And f*** Bill, too, for choosing non-exotic, pornish partners.

    These people give Trump a pass on everything. May they all live long enough to see their own misery and stupidity.

  123. 123.

    JPL

    March 25, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    My gut feeling is that Stormy statements are vague enough, that Trump supporters can discount them. The good news is that my gut feeling is often wrong.

  124. 124.

    d58826

    March 25, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    @aimai: they won’t abandon him even if replaces the Presidential Seal with a photo of his junk (probably will have to be enlarged)

  125. 125.

    RedDirtGirl

    March 25, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I thought you paid them to leave after.

  126. 126.

    Death Panel Truck

    March 25, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @MattF: Yeah. Their major problem with Stormy is that she won’t shut the fuck up and go away so they can continue to labor under the delusion that Trump is a godly man chosen by Jeebus himself to rule over the godliest country on god’s green earth.

  127. 127.

    cynthia ackerman

    March 25, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @Baud:

    Windows into warped minds can be useful, if also toxic.

    Caveat your emptor.

  128. 128.

    Arclite

    March 25, 2018 at 4:24 pm

    I pledge to you all not to publish them here.

    Thank Cracker for small miracles.

  129. 129.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @cynthia ackerman:

    Get your priorities straight if you want to speak troll.

    Well, I generally speak troll pretty well, but there’s always more to learn. Of course, learning troll-ese betterer tends to lower (what’s left of) my IQ significantly, so there’s THAT danger. Kind of like poisoned quadrotriticale.

  130. 130.

    Death Panel Truck

    March 25, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    As long as I live, I will never understand these lunatics.

    (I bought two boxes of Thin Mints, a box of Tagalongs and a box of Do-Si-Dos.)

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/03/22/christian-right-group-girl-scout-cookies-fund-abortion-and-sexual-promiscuity/

  131. 131.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @Arclite:

    Thank Cracker for small miracles.

    Small, but I wouldn’t call it/them “miracles.” Oh, wait — were you talking about his teeny-weenie?

  132. 132.

    cynthia ackerman

    March 25, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    @SFAW:

    //

    I was snarking. Much respect for your toll-ese.

    Ergot on!

  133. 133.

    Yarrow

    March 25, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    @Death Panel Truck: Stormy speaking out has apparently led to other women speaking out. It’s harder to make the story go away when there’s another woman and then another woman and so forth.

  134. 134.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @cynthia ackerman:

    I was snarking.

    Yes, I know. I was hoping you’d take my responses in a similar manner.

    Libtard.

  135. 135.

    RedDirtGirl

    March 25, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @Immanentize: What’s that passage from the bible..

    Let he who has NOT raw-dogged a porn star
    right after his 3rd wife gave birth to his 5th child
    cast the first stone.

  136. 136.

    ljt

    March 25, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    @dnfree: I installed FB Purity over a year ago–blocks all ads and other crap, and it’s free.

  137. 137.

    raven

    March 25, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    I’ll say this, they have not been running many Stormy promo’s during the hoop.

  138. 138.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    Fucking substitution. How does that even work?

  139. 139.

    sukabi

    March 25, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    @RedDirtGirl: isn’t that the 11th commandment? Thought that got broke off.

  140. 140.

    JPL

    March 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    @raven: They ran an ad during half time.

  141. 141.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    @RedDirtGirl:

    Let he who has NOT raw-dogged a porn star

    So I had to look up that term, because I’m old. Suffice it to say, it elicited an “Eewwww” from me, when I thought about whom you meant, and the image which now requires me to seek out brain bleach.

  142. 142.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    @RedDirtGirl: 3rd wife, 5th child. I still get a kick out of that every time. Although I do have to say this whole thing is ruining “raw-dog” for me.

  143. 143.

    RedDirtGirl

    March 25, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    @SFAW: Well, then, my work here is done.

  144. 144.

    John Fremont

    March 25, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): If this Stormy Daniels story follows through, I think as others are saying here, more women will keep coming forward. Rush’s comments about how Trump does not harass or stalk like Clinton did will be shown to be BS. That is what the Trumpers are at the least trying to keep contained.

  145. 145.

    efgoldman

    March 25, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Right wingers complain about the Carter Administration…..

    Hippies. Don’t forget the filthy dirty hippies. Nancy SMASH was one, you know….

  146. 146.

    SFAW

    March 25, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    @RedDirtGirl:

    Well, then, my work here is done.

    You are a sick, sick person.

    Just my type.

  147. 147.

    Rob

    March 25, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    I saw a flock of maybe 15 Cedar Waxwings on my way to the rally/march in DC yesterday, somewhere near Union Station. It was a good omen.

  148. 148.

    efgoldman

    March 25, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    @Death Panel Truck:

    I will never understand these lunatics.

    I said way back in 2006 (before I discovered Cole, I think) they are unmoored from reality.

  149. 149.

    Betty Cracker

    March 25, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @SmokeyB: Fancy-ish Nikon. :)

    @Nicole: Hilarious! Now I love them even more — so relatable!

  150. 150.

    debbie

    March 25, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    @Quaker in a Basement:

    Covefe!

  151. 151.

    Aleta

    March 25, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    The story is that there are currently three cases in court against or involving T. Two of the people bringing them say they’ve been threatened.

  152. 152.

    cynthia ackerman

    March 25, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    @SFAW:

    !

  153. 153.

    rikyrah

    March 25, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    She’s a porn actress..how can’t everything involving her not.be salacious?

  154. 154.

    sukabi

    March 25, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    @Death Panel Truck: they’re (religious right) targeting UNICEF as well

  155. 155.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 6:13 pm

    @rikyrah: Well, she’s a human being, also too. And from what I have gathered a fairly intelligent and media savvy one. So I am sure she will show just enough leg to keep us all in thrall. My hope is that she also dangles the bait on having the hammer over Trump. Something that he simply can’t stay mum about.
    Stormy is going to sell the show, as that helps her. And the media will focus on her boobs or the unprotected sex, natch. I am optimistic there may be more there there.

  156. 156.

    Magda in Black

    March 25, 2018 at 6:25 pm

    Never been more pleased that I do not own a TV.

  157. 157.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 6:38 pm

    @Magda in Black:

    Never been more pleased that I do not own a TV.

    Did they become sentient and start drinking all the beer in your fridge?

  158. 158.

    Magda in Black

    March 25, 2018 at 6:41 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    Dont know, dont own one. ? Has this become a problem with televisions?

  159. 159.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 25, 2018 at 6:42 pm

    @Corner Stone: Oh, that explains all the empty bottles in my recycling bin.

  160. 160.

    Corner Stone

    March 25, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    @Magda in Black: No fridge and no TV? My, my, you *are* frugal!

  161. 161.

    Shell

    March 25, 2018 at 6:49 pm

    Beautiful birds, those waxwings. Their feathery fronts look so soft I wish I could stroke them.

  162. 162.

    Magda in Black

    March 25, 2018 at 6:56 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    Back porch in n Illinois winter = fridge.
    Yeah, I’m a farm kid

  163. 163.

    Dnfree

    March 25, 2018 at 8:34 pm

    @ljt: thanks. I’m just mystified by the sudden explosion of low-quality ads. Makes me wonder if some of the more normal advertisers are pulling their ads?

  164. 164.

    Cpl. Cam

    March 26, 2018 at 6:34 am

    @Quaker in a Basement: I assume he’s saying now that the military is “rich” fund construction of the wall through the DOD…

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