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Of Birds and Men (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  April 9, 201812:20 pm| 124 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, General Stupidity

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Saw this funny thing on Twitter over the weekend:

If men flirted like birds: pic.twitter.com/ce50kVjdAA

— Katzandra (@StrassenKatze) April 6, 2018

Not all men! Just the ones who send unsolicited dick pics, like the current president, probably.

Anyhoo, open thread.

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  1. 1.

    ThresherK

    April 9, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    Some of my Wilmerites are talking about Nina Turner, a person who sends off some alarms to me. Any jackal know more about her?

  2. 2.

    laura

    April 9, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    That cartoon reminds me that it is good to be an old.
    No idea how people rely upon the tunes and social media to meet other people for social and other intercourse.

  3. 3.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 9, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    @ThresherK: She’s cray-cray.

  4. 4.

    Joey Maloney

    April 9, 2018 at 12:28 pm

    As I pointed out on Twitter, because I’m a pedant, it should be “I showed you my cloaca…”

  5. 5.

    Mnemosyne

    April 9, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    @laura:

    It makes me glad I’ve been married for a dozen years and don’t have to deal with any of that bullshit.

  6. 6.

    dmsilev

    April 9, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    @ThresherK: She’s a nut, even by the standards of the Wilmerite dead-enders.

  7. 7.

    germy

    April 9, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    @laura:

    That cartoon reminds me that it is good to be an old.
    No idea how people rely upon the tunes and social media to meet other people for social and other intercourse.

    Reminds me of the time last year when I came home with a really bad haircut. It was all uneven and choppy. Back in my young, single days I would have been mortified.

    Instead, I remember telling myself “My wife has been with me for 30 years, we can share a laugh over it.”

    Of course I never returned to that particular barber.

  8. 8.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 9, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    @ThresherK: former OH state senator, ran for (IIRC) Sec of State with the active support of both Clintons, lost by 20+ points, endorsed HRC for president, switched to Bernie in the summer of ’16 (again, IIRC) and went progressively nuttier. She now makes Sarandon and Michael Moore look like cool, level-headed observers of our political scene.

  9. 9.

    germy

    April 9, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    @ThresherK: She’s sort of the anti-Neera Tanden.

  10. 10.

    Barbara

    April 9, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    @ThresherK: Among other things, I understand that she felt like the Democratic party turned its back on her and failed to support her candidacy for statewide office in Ohio and has been returning the scorn ever since.

  11. 11.

    Mary

    April 9, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    Huh…my husband’s courtship was surprisingly bird-like. I’m a lucky woman.

  12. 12.

    kindness

    April 9, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    Oh great. Now you made me think of a disgusting shrivelled up Cheeto.

    Wheres the brain bleach around here?

  13. 13.

    ThresherK

    April 9, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    @dmsilev:
    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    Jeez, no wonder they love her. At least as a Democrat in Ohio she’s on board with fighting against voter suppression. Right?

    Oh well. From her height of power as (checks papers) an Ohio state senator she’ll certainly hold sway over her fellow black and female Dems with her opinion that Black Voters Only Choose Hillary Over Bernie Because Of ‘Brand ‘Loyalty’

    Also, she said “Uranium One” with a straight face.

    I guess my next question is, why is she pretending to be a Dem? Why not get in the Fox News “short line”?

  14. 14.

    Brachiator

    April 9, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    Hmmm. “I have collected some pretty rocks and other stuff” = “I gots lots of money. Let’s get it on!”

    Only male peacocks have the fancy plumage. That’s a kind of display.

    Still, the dick pic thing is kinda dumb when unsolicited. Guys like to see nekkid womens. But dopes, I guess, think that women want to see the equivalent, and are too stupid to ask or verify. Maybe thy also have some mommy issues from early potty training.

    ETA: Male peacocks like to get freaky with a “copulatory call.”

    When peacocks mate with peahens, they give out a loud “copulatory call.” Canadian researchers Roslyn Dakin and Robert Montgomerie discovered that the birds can “fake” this call to attract more females. As the BBC’s Ella Davies put it, “By pretending they are mating when they are not, the birds could convince females they are more sexually active—and therefore genetically fitter—than their rivals.”

    In fact, one-third of the calls heard by researchers were fake, and the birds that made them scored the most hookups. Sneaky, sneaky.

  15. 15.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 9, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    @ThresherK:

    Why not get in the Fox News “short line”?

    Maybe when Dennis becomes Ohio Governor.

  16. 16.

    Spanky

    April 9, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    @Barbara: Wow! That really is Bernie-like. Except for the part where she really was a Dem to begin with.

    And here I thought she was doing really well once she left that deadbeat Ike.

  17. 17.

    germy

    April 9, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    Laura Ingraham will be back tonight.

  18. 18.

    Barbara

    April 9, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    @ThresherK: There are a few crazies in every party/family. I can’t remember his office, but a government official in D.C. recently stated that Jews (as part of Goldman-Sachs) are controlling the weather for their financial gain. He wasn’t joking.

  19. 19.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    Trump concedes his new economic plan may produce ‘a little pain’
    04/09/18 10:40 AM—UPDATED 04/09/18 12:12 PM
    By Steve Benen

    As a rule, Donald Trump likes to pretend that every aspect of his presidential agenda is working flawlessly, to the historic benefit of all Americans. It therefore came as a bit of a surprise the other day when the president conceded during a radio interview that his controversial trade policies may lead to “a little pain” for the domestic economy.

    “I’m not saying there won’t be a little pain, but the market has gone up 40 percent, 42 percent so we might lose a little bit of it. But we’re going to have a much stronger country when we’re finished.

    “So we may take a hit and you know what, ultimately we’re going to be much stronger for it,” Trump said.

    At the risk of sounding picky, the market has not gone up 40% or 42%. Since Trump’s inauguration, as of late last week, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has risen about 20%. That’s not bad, of course, but (a) Trump shouldn’t double the market’s performance just because he feels like it; and (b) market growth under this president ranks Trump below H.W. Bush, Clinton, Obama, Reagan, and FDR at comparable periods in their presidencies.

    The more relevant point, however, is Trump’s belief that he’ll cause “a little pain” for the American economy now, taking a “hit” in the short-term, but the steps he’s taking will pay off for us in the long-term. At first blush, that’s not necessarily crazy: this president may be obsessed with instant gratification and impulsive antics, but if Trump had a real, credible plan to impose economic punishments now in order to help the country down the road, that could, theoretically, be a responsible, albeit uncharacteristic, move.

  20. 20.

    Barbara

    April 9, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    @germy: Great, I can continue to not watch her!

  21. 21.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    April 9, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    I think waterfowl are the only birds with dicks.

  22. 22.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 9, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Speaking of Ohio Crazy: Dennis says Deep State is after trump.

  23. 23.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    but, remember…deficits don’t matter….no less than The Evil One done already told us…

    The CBO is about to report that there will be trillion dollar-plus budget deficits for every year of Trump’s presidency. https://t.co/8G18oyvG50

    — Ben White (@morningmoneyben) April 9, 2018

  24. 24.

    Mike J

    April 9, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    @ThresherK: Only experience in office is as an appointed senator in the state legislature after a vacancy. She’s run for city council and secretary of state and never won any election at any level.

  25. 25.

    Barbara

    April 9, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    @Spanky: I think this phenomenon explains a lot of people, e.g., Joseph Lieberman. I truly think his penchant for poking Dems in the eye was payback because Democrats did not rally around his candidacy for president in 2004.

  26. 26.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    @ThresherK:

    don’t trust her.
    What more do you need to know.
    She’s a ratphucker.
    Can’t put together 10 sentences to tell you why Dolt45 is wrong.
    But, can open her mouth and give you 100 as to why the Democrats are no good.

    DO.NOT.TRUST.HER.

  27. 27.

    Brachiator

    April 9, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    @Joey Maloney:

    As I pointed out on Twitter, because I’m a pedant, it should be “I showed you my cloaca…”

    If I were a pedant, I would point out that birds don’t talk.

    “Cloaca” ruins the joke.

  28. 28.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    uh huh
    uh huh

  29. 29.

    bemused

    April 9, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    @Brachiator:

    The guys who send women pics of their junk have to know, at least on some level, that most women would think they are pervy. I doubt they are just clueless idiots. I think most of these guys don’t like women much.

  30. 30.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 9, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    @Barbara: one of the original Slaters– Weisberg or Saletan– had that theory, that Lieberman didn’t turn on the Dems because of Irag, he doubled-down on Iraq because he was bitter that the Dems rejected his magnificence in ’04

  31. 31.

    germy

    April 9, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    @Barbara:

    his penchant for poking Dems in the eye was payback

    It’s depressing how much of politics is often based on personal grudges.

    And that goes for the pundits, too. Someone here once said Cornell West’s rejection of Obama was because he was insulted he didn’t get a personal invite. And villagers hated the Clintons because Bill didn’t kiss enough of their asses early in his career.

  32. 32.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 12:55 pm

    @facebook is full of shit. They know exactly how this ‘impacts’ elections. They’re putting on a show pretending to remedy their malfeasance yet are effectively doing nothing to cure it. They need to be regulated like a utility. https://t.co/FTmrcybK0E

    — Andrew C Laufer, Esq (@lauferlaw) April 9, 2018

  33. 33.

    trollhattan

    April 9, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Speaking of comics, Breathed and Watterson fans will welcome a new edition of Calvin County.

  34. 34.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    April 9, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    On a random note, why do otherwise respectable news shows keep having Michael Moore on? Also Lanny Davis? If there are two people on Earth nobody needs to hear from ever again, they’re the guys.

  35. 35.

    Kay

    April 9, 2018 at 12:58 pm

    probably.

    Guffaw.

  36. 36.

    Ridnik Chrome

    April 9, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    @ThresherK:

    Some of my Wilmerites are talking about Nina Turner, a person who sends off some alarms to me.

    I’ve always loved her version of “Proud Mary”.

  37. 37.

    trollhattan

    April 9, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    Special Bat signal to Betty and other Floridians–let the air out of Skeletor’s bus tires before his senate bid gets rolling. Do. Not. Want. Senator. Scott.

  38. 38.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 9, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    @rikyrah: Did you see Judy Woodruff’s ass kissing interview of Sheryl Sandberg?

  39. 39.

    Kay

    April 9, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    @jeffzeleny
    Brutal headlines in Midwest papers on trade for @realDonaldTrump, including @qctimes: “Iowans got conned.” Asked about this today, Trump says this of farmers: “They understand that they are dong this for the country and we will make it up to them.“

    Imagine any other administration saying that. What does this mean? The federal government is going to give something to farmers, something other people don’t get?

    It’s fucking bizarre how the Trump people seem to see The United States as THEM- that they personally own federal assets and policy and can therefore bestow it on favored parties and people. They sound exactly like a criminal organization.

  40. 40.

    Roger Moore

    April 9, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    @Joey Maloney:

    As I pointed out on Twitter, because I’m a pedant, it should be “I showed you my cloaca…”

    As another pedant, I would point out that some birds- ducks being the most obvious example- do have penisis.

  41. 41.

    MattF

    April 9, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    @Barbara: A DC Councilman. He was, apparently, vastly ignorant, and mortified to learn that ‘Jews control the weather’ could be considered anti-semitic.

  42. 42.

    Brachiator

    April 9, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    @rikyrah:

    but, remember…deficits don’t matter….no less than The Evil One done already told us…

    The CBO is about to report that there will be trillion dollar-plus budget deficits for every year of Trump’s presidency.

    We’re getting deficits and unexpected tax increases. From Politico.

    Federal tax cuts trigger stealth tax hikes in states

    Republicans may have handed many Americans a big cut in federal taxes, but their plan is triggering a wave of state income tax increases across the country.

    In many states, the tax hikes are coming without legislators ever needing to take a vote — thanks to state tax laws that are automatically synched to changes in the federal code. That’s raising fears, particularly among business groups, that instead of reversing the increases, cash-hungry statehouses from New York to Minnesota to Colorado will just let their taxes go up.

    The increases vary widely, from $30 million next year in Vermont to more than $1 billion in New York. When Congress pares back tax breaks, as it did with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, those changes are duplicated in state codes around the country, often automatically.

    These GOP dopes keep outsmarting themselves even as they keep shoveling tax cuts to the uber-rich.

  43. 43.

    glory b

    April 9, 2018 at 1:11 pm

    This weekend Turner was at some kind of gathering on a university campus, saying Dems rigged as many elections as repubs did, they’re all dirty, etc.

    Months ago, she was quoted in the press as saying she has no interest in unifying with other dems. But she said this weekend that she is a dem and “we aren’t going anywhere.”

    I think Wilmer gave her the chairmanship of Our Revolution because she was seemingly unemployed and unemployable after the election.

    I have no idea what she wants, except to screw the rest of us over.

  44. 44.

    Spanky

    April 9, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    @Kay:

    They sound exactly like a criminal organization.

    Hmmm. Why do you suppose that is? I’m sure the answer will come to me.

  45. 45.

    raven

    April 9, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    Who the fuck is wilmer?

  46. 46.

    different-church-lady

    April 9, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    @rikyrah:

    They need to be regulated like a utility tobacco company.

    Facebook is cigaretts for your brain.

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    April 9, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    @glory b: I have no idea what she wants, except to screw the rest of us over.

    She spent the last six months of the ’16 campaign going on MSNBC and bleating “our voices must be heard” three or four times a day. Cause if there’s one thing about Wilmerites, they’re quiet as church mice

  48. 48.

    oatler.

    April 9, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    No woman wants to see my sensual dance, or so I was informed by a gentleman in the law-enforcement industry.

  49. 49.

    Brachiator

    April 9, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    @oatler.:

    No woman wants to see my sensual dance, or so I was informed by a gentleman in the law-enforcement industry.

    Very droll…

  50. 50.

    trollhattan

    April 9, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    @oatler.:
    Dance needs moar bowerbird. Am told the ladies love it!

  51. 51.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    @Kay:

    It’s fucking bizarre how the Trump people seem to see The United States as THEM- that they personally own federal assets and policy and can therefore bestow it on favored parties and people. They sound exactly like a criminal organization.

    Keep on telling it, Kay.
    And, they SOUND like a criminal organization..

    Because THEY ARE A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION.

  52. 52.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    @ThresherK:

    I guess my next question is, why is she pretending to be a Dem?

    Anyone with a D next to their name in a battleground state can pick up a lot of attention and money if they know what they’re doing.

    Apparently she does not.

  53. 53.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    @Brachiator:
    STEALTH?

    STEALTH TO WHOM?

    Those of us following the GOP Tax Scam saw the tax HIKES from a mile away.

  54. 54.

    germy

    April 9, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    The members of congress who are questioning Zuckerberg this week… how many of them received campaign donations from facebook? And what amount?

  55. 55.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    @raven:

    Who the fuck is wilmer?

    A certain Senator from Vermont.

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    @germy:

    The members of congress who are questioning Zuckerberg this week… how many of them received campaign donations from facebook? And what amount?

    That’s right. Ask those questions.

    Ask them!

  57. 57.

    Mandalay

    April 9, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    @Kay:

    Iowans got conned.

    Nobody could have predicted that there would be buyer’s remorse in Iowa….

    Iowans were promised Trump had their backs. State party officials swore that the billionaire from New York City, a man whose fortune was built by stiffing the little guy, would look out for Iowa farmers. They assured Iowans that their votes in the U.S. Senate, which sent Big Oil sycophants to cabinet positions at the Environmental Protection Agency and Energy Department, wouldn’t haunt their home state. They promised that Iowa’s interests would be protected if it played ball with Trump.

    The rhetoric about Trump’s alleged commitment to the Midwest was never believable, and the weird deification of him by Iowa party officials was disturbing from the outset. On Wednesday, the benefits promised to disciples of the Trump’s cult of personality were proven completely bunk.

    While some hope for Trump’s downfall by Putin releasing the golden showers videos, it’s going to be much more mundane: death by a thousand paper cuts. Trump inflicts so much needless chaos with his inept administrative actions that he’s just going to end up pissing off far too many people to win in 2020.

  58. 58.

    Waldo

    April 9, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Speaking of Ohio Crazy: Dennis says Deep State is after trump.

    We should be so lucky.

  59. 59.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    Does anyone else get tired of this description of Global warming? Humans are now the roaches of the earth, we will not be killed off by climate change – everything else will.

    no issue more spectacularly illustrates the failures of our political system than climate change. We are hurtling toward catastrophes that threaten the very existence of humankind, yet the matter is almost totally absent from political discourse.

  60. 60.

    sukabi

    April 9, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    @trollhattan: of all the bird displays I’ve seen, that one comes off as actually pervy…not sure if it’s the hypnotic pupils or the open trench coat action…pretty pervy.

  61. 61.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    The speech was written. A cast of relatable Americans with emotional stories was standing by to reinforce the message. But Donald Trump was in no mood to play along.

    “The hell with it,” Trump said, recounting the scene with his aides to a West Virginia crowd last week. Trump tossed the staff-prepared remarks on tax cuts in the air and ducked as the paper fluttered to the floor. “I said, ‘This is boring, come on.’ Tell it like it is.”

    Trump has never been one to stick to a script, but that abandoned speech illustrates a new phase in Trump’s presidency. He is increasingly at odds with his staff — and growing wise to their tactics.

    The asshole is learning. Unfortunately its about the wrong things.

  62. 62.

    germy

    April 9, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    Steve Wozniak is deleting his facebook account.

  63. 63.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    @Mandalay:

    it’s going to be much more mundane: death by a thousand paper cuts.

    So far, the total botch up of Maria Recovery in Puerto Rico has had no effect on Trump. Another possibility will be something like the 2014 Ebola crisis, being botched even more publicly. At some point no one will care that it wasn’t Trump’s fault.

  64. 64.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 9, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    @raven: Saint Bernard of Burlington.

  65. 65.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 1:33 pm

    @rikyrah:

    STEALTH TO WHOM?

    Those of us following the GOP Tax Scam saw the tax HIKES from a mile away.

    You have to remember we’re talking about the common clay of the people. You know, morons.

    Also, States start taxing at AGI, which the GOP tax cuts have fucked upwards.

  66. 66.

    Mnemosyne

    April 9, 2018 at 1:33 pm

    @glory b:

    I think Wilmer gave her the chairmanship of Our Revolution because she was seemingly unemployed and unemployable after the election.

    Also because white dudes LOVE to find the one or two Black women who validate their belief that only white dudes should be running everything. And, sadly, there are always one or two Black women willing to oblige them in exchange for the power and prestige they get from the alliance.

  67. 67.

    burnspbesq

    April 9, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    @raven:

    Wilmer Flores, Mets backup infielder.

    Also some jackass from Vermont.

  68. 68.

    The Other Chuck

    April 9, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    @catclub: The human species will likely survive, yes. Modern civilization, however, doesn’t get such a strong guarantee.

  69. 69.

    germy

    April 9, 2018 at 1:35 pm

    The woman who did the topless protest at the Cosby trial (and was carried off by the police) is an actress who was on the Cosby Show.

  70. 70.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    @Kay:

    Imagine any other administration saying that. What does this mean? The federal government is going to give something to farmers, something other people don’t get?

    Interest free loans, increased farm subsidies, guaranteed purchases of food crops.

    Just off the top of my head what those fucking ungrateful farmers already get.

  71. 71.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Do. Not. Want. Senator. Scott.

    I was puzzled by the Plum Line bit that Scott has been hounded by the Democrats over his company stealing from Medicare, but not mentioning that he won elections and re-elections after all that news came out. That dog ain’t hunting like you make it sound.

  72. 72.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    @The Other Chuck: exactly.

    so why not say :

    We are hurtling toward catastrophes that threaten the very existence of modern civilization,

  73. 73.

    rikyrah

    April 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    @catclub:

    So far, the total botch up of Maria Recovery in Puerto Rico has had no effect on Trump.

    among White voters?
    Probably not.
    But, rest assured, the Latino community has seen it quite clear.
    I’m not Latino, but I’m not White, and I see it clear too.

  74. 74.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    @Kay: that line about ‘they are making a scrifice now, but we will make it up to them,
    always reminds me of this “There comes a time when every team must learn to make individual sacrifices”

    Also, when the rich New Orleans barons needed to dynamite the levees in 1927 to save New Orleans and promised on their southern honor that the people flooded would be repaid.

  75. 75.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    @rikyrah: I blame the press for not sticking on that story.

  76. 76.

    West of the Rockies

    April 9, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    I am from an older generation. Nowadays I often see young women all decked out for a night out: dress, hair, make up, heels… The guys? Ill-fitting board shorts, a tee and flip flops or tennis shoes. No, not all of them, I’m sure, but in this college town, a lot of them.

  77. 77.

    Mandalay

    April 9, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    @rikyrah:

    the Latino community has seen it quite clear

    Right, and Puerto Ricans who moved to Florida after the hurricane can also vote in state elections. I don’t think many will be supporting the party of Trump.

    Even Marco Rubio is very sensitive to the administration’s lack of action in Puerto Rico.

  78. 78.

    different-church-lady

    April 9, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    @West of the Rockies: Today “decked out” for women is what they would wear in a high-production-value porn fantasy of the 90s in between the sex scenes. And for men, they get to wear what they would wear when watching the same.

  79. 79.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 9, 2018 at 1:57 pm

    @rikyrah: Its funny the blinders some people come with. As I recounted in an earlier thread, during the early days of the Iraq war, the only two people in the mechanical engineering lab I worked who saw through the Bush II’s bullshit were me and a South African (who was white, btw) grad student. Everyone else was rah rah USA.

  80. 80.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 1:58 pm

    @rikyrah:

    But, rest assured, the Latino community has seen it quite clear.
    I’m not Latino, but I’m not White, and I see it clear too.

    The $24 question is will that have any effect on elections in states we need to win?

  81. 81.

    different-church-lady

    April 9, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    @rikyrah: But wasn’t he already near rock bottom with Latinos?

  82. 82.

    PST

    April 9, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    Since this is an open thread, it is a pleasure to note that our Tammy Duckworth has just achieved another first for the US Senate — giving birth. Senator and daughter are reportedly doing fine.

  83. 83.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I was against Afghanistan & The Iraq wars from the start because I didn’t trust the fuckups who allowed 9/11 to happen to have gotten it right about the intelligence or that they could manage it properly.

    Allowing tax cuts while preaching war was a sure sign of a diseased mind.

  84. 84.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    And for men, they get to wear what they would wear when watching the same.

    Hey, at least I don’t leave the house wearing that!

  85. 85.

    Cermet

    April 9, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    @catclub: You. like so many, miss the real danger to the Earth; first, most species that will be lost will be killed off by human population growth over the next thirty years, not AGW. Next, while we will survive AGW as a species, billions will not due to the massive temperature increases in the equatorial regions – this will lead to incredible famines, also massive increase in new diseases, and endless wars as people fight over decreasing resources and defend their borders, and of course, weather extremes (heat, powerful storms, super hear waves will do that job.

  86. 86.

    Spanky

    April 9, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    @catclub: Ahem.

    (Hover over the link to read the title.)

  87. 87.

    sukabi

    April 9, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    @catclub: yes. Media coverage has been horrible. The last bit I saw on that from a couple of weeks ago was a very brief “this is what this apartment looked like 3 months ago and now they have power…with a passing mention of some people will be getting power in the next week or 2. Less than a minute was spent on the entire thing.

  88. 88.

    john (not mccain)

    April 9, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    @bemused:
    “The guys who send women pics of their junk have to know, at least on some level, that most women would think they are pervy.”

    They also should know, but probably don’t, that a great many of those pics end up on gay tumblr. I hope they never find out.

  89. 89.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    Managing a boss who despises being managed is a difficult game. And those who have succeeded have proceeded carefully. Some aides, convinced that Trump puts more stock in what he sees on TV than in his own aides’ advice, regularly phone prominent commentators and news hosts to provide talking points on everything from tax policy to Syria in hopes of influencing Trump. Similar strategies have also been embraced by foreign governments and outside groups trying to sway the president’s thinking.

    Stall tactics were favored by Trump’s first chief of staff, Reince Priebus. He often told Trump that staffers needed more time to work on a proposal or that it would be better put off until the next week, hoping Trump would change his mind or forget.

    Indeed, as Trump considered the impact of tariffs on steel and aluminum imports and on some imports from China, his free-trade-supporting aides hoped they could wait him out.

    But Trump, fed up with aides who were pleading for more time on tariffs, blew up.

    In the chaotic aftermath of Porter’s departure, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and hawkish trade adviser Peter Navarro encouraged Trump to take protectionist action. Aides including Treasury Steve Mnuchin and then-National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn, whose actions some aides compared to “hiding the ball,” were suddenly left scrambling to devise a rear-guard action. Cohn resigned days later when it became clear that tariffs were imminent.

    “To hell with it”: Trump increasingly weary of staff advice

    WASF.

  90. 90.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    Donald Trump predicted China will be first to buckle as the world’s largest economies teeter on the brink of a trade war that’s sent financial markets reeling, without indicating where his assessment sprang from.

    “China will take down its Trade Barriers because it is the right thing to do,” Trump told his 50 million Twitter followers early today. “Taxes will become reciprocal & a deal will be made on Intellectual Property.” He also said that no matter what happens, “President Xi and I will always be friends,” referring to Chinese President Xi Jinping.

    When you lie, remember to lie bigly.

  91. 91.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    April 9, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    Betty’s post is pretty funny, because we have this conversation about mating dances all the time. Telling jokes and trying to get her to laugh is clearly a mating dance (as I usually say, I’m not able to bring her a mammoth, so jokes is all I have). Pretty much everything preceded by “hey, watch this” is intended to increase your chances at mating season, even though my wife assures me it’s completely counterproductive and neither of us can imagine a woman following up a “hold my beer” moment with “oh god, you stud, take me here”. Nevertheless, we (males) persist…

  92. 92.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    April 9, 2018 at 2:11 pm

    @TenguPhule: So couldn’t they make a fake TV set that they put in his office and take turns sitting inside, to give him his briefings?

    Or if they want to go high-tech, set up an actual TV which is closed-circuit only, put the camera in a studio next door with a Fox set on it, put a Fox logo up behind them, and then say the things they want him to hear.

  93. 93.

    bemused

    April 9, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    @john (not mccain):

    Hilarious.

  94. 94.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Unfortunately, he’s catching on to their tactics. The old tricks are no longer sufficient to confuse the monster.

  95. 95.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    April 9, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    As another pedant, I would point out that some birds- ducks being the most obvious example- do have penisis.

    As an even bigger pedant, allow me to interject that the plural of “penis” is “penes.”

    It is perhaps interesting that organs of intromission have evolved many times in various taxa, and only mammals have used the trick of rearchitecting the distal part of the urinary tract for the purpose. In the case of ducks, the organ is derived from the cloacal wall. Some organisms even reverse the typical arrangement, and females possess organs of intromission which take up sperm after being inserted into an opening in the male’s body.

  96. 96.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    But wasn’t he already near rock bottom with Latinos?

    I am pretty sure he outperformed predictions in the 2016 election among Latino voters. I think machismo turned into lack of votes for Clinton – or at least that was the story.

  97. 97.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    April 9, 2018 at 2:17 pm

    @germy: Made me look. Here’s her IMDB page. Looks like she did a fair amount of TV work up till the age of 35 or so. Gee, I wonder if there’s a prejudice against women older than that? Couldn’t she have found some Grandma roles?

  98. 98.

    sukabi

    April 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: male persistence with their ‘hold my beer’ mating rituals is probably a result of being stuck in a male feedback loop, while excluding female feedback and results from the equation.

    That’s my theory.?

  99. 99.

    Lyrebird

    April 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Well Carville should be on this list, too, no?

    If there are two people on Earth nobody needs to hear from ever again, they’re the guys.

    He & Matalin ought to stay out of offering opinions – they immediately came to mind when I read the original post.

  100. 100.

    Brachiator

    April 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    @Cermet:

    You. like so many, miss the real danger to the Earth; first, most species that will be lost will be killed off by human population growth over the next thirty years, not AGW.

    Maybe. Maybe not. Actually, probably not.

    Next, while we will survive AGW as a species, billions will not due to the massive temperature increases in the equatorial regions – this will lead to incredible famines, also massive increase in new diseases, and endless wars as people fight over decreasing resources and defend their borders, and of course, weather extremes (heat, powerful storms, super hear waves will do that job.

    Probably a lot of negative impacts, but you really cannot predict what, where or to what degree.

  101. 101.

    Mandalay

    April 9, 2018 at 2:20 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    She now makes Sarandon and Michael Moore look like cool, level-headed observers of our political scene.

    Moore might be a cringe inducing limousine liberal, and I don’t know or care what he has been saying lately.

    But nobody – absolutely nobody – prophesied the outcome of the 2016 election with more detail and accuracy than Michael Moore.

  102. 102.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    @Cermet: which proves my point that survival of the human species is not at risk from AGW, but lots of other things are highly at risk. So still, the writers insist that the survival of the species is at risk. saying that modern civilization is at risk is too accurate, apparently.

  103. 103.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    Syria and Russia now accusing Israel of bombing a Syrian base.

    What could possibly go wrong here?

  104. 104.

    Mandalay

    April 9, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    If there are two people on Earth nobody needs to hear from ever again, they’re the guys.

    Let me add to your list. MSNBC just finished interviewing Joe Lieberman who was still pushing his country-before-party twaddle from 10 years ago.

  105. 105.

    different-church-lady

    April 9, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    @Mandalay: Well, I gotta admit Moore has his finger on the pulse of rust belt asshole like nobody else on our side (supposedly).

  106. 106.

    different-church-lady

    April 9, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    Zuck is going with the contrite strategy, at least as far as privacy abuse is concerned. It might even be heartfelt.

    Whether he ever wakes up to his greater evils remains to be seen.

  107. 107.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    April 9, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    @Mandalay: Joementum!

  108. 108.

    catclub

    April 9, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Joe Lieberman who was still pushing his country-before-party twaddle from 10 years ago.

    I thought the country was Israel, for him.

  109. 109.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    April 9, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    What happens when none of that comes to pass? And the opposite occurs? Will Trump still be winning as seen by his fans? At some point reality has to sink in.

    Also, when will sink into pop culture that the POTUS is no longer the most powerful individual on the planet and how will Americans react to it?

  110. 110.

    the wesson

    April 9, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    Counterpoint to this:

    Male ducks are rapey as hell. Wouldn’t be surprised if there were plenty of other birds with similarly ugly behavior. What else would you expect from tiny dinosaurs anyhow?

    #notAllBirds

  111. 111.

    Mnemosyne

    April 9, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    @Mandalay:

    And yet even Moore doesn’t like to talk about that column, because he made it very clear that white resentment and racism were going to be the root of Trump’s victory*, not “economic insecurity.”

  112. 112.

    kate p

    April 9, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I wanted to scream. The NewsHour used to be my favorite source for TV news but I can’t stomach it anymore.They let let the BS’s just run their mouths and never challenge them with reality.

  113. 113.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    Will Trump still be winning as seen by his fans? At some point reality has to sink in.

    Have you learned nothing over the last year?

    Reality is Fake News to Trump supporters.

    They are the Cult of Stupid and Evil.

  114. 114.

    Mnemosyne

    April 9, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Yup. Moore knew that white rust-belt assholes preferred to shoot themselves in the foot economically than have a bunch of women and minorities in charge.

  115. 115.

    MattF

    April 9, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    @different-church-lady: His business model is in danger, he’s contrite.

  116. 116.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    April 9, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    Until it personally begins to affect them, at least.

  117. 117.

    Kay

    April 9, 2018 at 2:50 pm

    It’s just such a racket. People must get this at some point, right? That these people are making BOATLOADS of money ginning up all this bullshit?

    You would think ordinary people would just get bone-tired of being USED this way.

  118. 118.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    April 9, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    @Kay:
    Not when there’s lazy good for nothing darkies (and white trash) on the dole, or icky gays wanting a wedding cake, or libtards breathing.

  119. 119.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 9, 2018 at 3:11 pm

    @kate p I watch it once a week these days to know what the CW is. Was Judy always this bad?

  120. 120.

    ruemara

    April 9, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    @ThresherK: She’s a worthless grifter who’s lost her races and her mind.

    As I said when I first saw it, I’m gonna go find myself a handsome bird.

  121. 121.

    Cermet

    April 9, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    @Brachiator: Oh yes one can predict it because the AGW models are very accurate and say this – the heating at the equatorial regions; further, a simple thing called thermodynamics require it (more energy in – higher temps with all else reaming the same.) AS for the wars etc, what else will happen when billions of people are forced to move large distances to places already inhabited by people? As for species loss due to human destruction of the environment, unless you live on an other planet – this is absolute fact; look around- do you see bears, wolves and other mega fauna that use to be where you are? Gee, wonder why? Oh, human population that causes use to convert all habitat to our own needs.

  122. 122.

    TenguPhule

    April 9, 2018 at 6:26 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    Until it personally begins to affect them, at least.

    Not even then. They blame us.

  123. 123.

    Katep

    April 9, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I don’t think she was always this bad but all of them seem to bend over backwards to show both sides even if one side is flat out crazy. I have her reaction to the “email scandal” with Hillary burned into my brain. I lost all respect right then.

  124. 124.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 9, 2018 at 9:14 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: I’ve always thought most of the stupid performative things that straight men do (including theatrical group leering at women) are actually aimed at other men. It’s not intended to impress women, it’s intended to establish position in the male pecking order.

    As for dick pics, I suspect that’s just guys getting off on doing something gross to a woman and knowing she can’t really do anything about it. It’s just low-level cruelty for fun.

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