Every now and then when I need a laugh, I like to think about how Erik Prince actually testified under oath he just randomly bumped into Russian spies at a hotel bar off the coast of Africa in Seychelles. pic.twitter.com/LoZFvoLpnc
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) April 10, 2018
Well, this is new. Erin Banco, at NJ.com, reports:
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team is examining a series of previously unreported meetings that took place in 2017 in the Seychelles, an archipelago in the Indian Ocean, as part of its broader investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, according to two sources briefed on the investigation.
The sources said several of those meetings took place around the same time as another meeting in the Seychelles between Erik Prince, founder of the security company Blackwater, Kirill Dmitriev, the director of one of Russia’s sovereign wealth funds, and Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, the effective ruler of the United Arab Emirates (also known as “MBZ”). Details of that earlier meeting were first reported by the Washington Post last year.
The inquiry into the meetings in the Seychelles suggests there is growing interest on the Mueller team in whether foreign financing, specifically from Gulf states, has influenced President Trump and his administration…
The meetings in the Seychelles are a key component of Mueller’s investigation, sources familiar with the investigation said. The meetings connect powerful players from Russia, the U.S., the UAE and Saudi Arabia across the political, financial and defense worlds. The details of what was discussed in the meetings in January and in the following months, however, are scarce…
Wealthy and politically-connected individuals from across the globe — from Russia, France, Saudi Arabia and South Africa — land in the Seychelles for meetings that take place as a part of a larger gathering hosted by MBZ, according to an individual briefed on the matter, who also requested anonymity. Many of them fly in on private jets and several do not clear customs. Some check into the Four Seasons Hotel while others arrive and stay on their yachts.
Individuals connected to the Saudi financial system, including the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency and the Arab National Bank, flew into the island the second week of January 2017, as did an aircraft purportedly owned by the former deputy minister of defense, Prince Khaled bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz, fight records show. Other individuals on those aircraft held passports from Egypt and Singapore…
As ever, our Republican overlords: Patriotism? That’s for the rubes — we’re only loyal to the money.
In fairness, were I a gazillionaire, it looks like a place I would visit early and often.
And if I could get Russians to pay for my travel …
… hey, what’s not to like?!?
referenced you at EW.
Ours is a lovely club which wouldn’t offer me a membership
Not even that. They’ll switch currencies at the drop of a yuan.
mai naem mobile
Gawd,why can’t they find the Kochs involved in some way in this shitshow? Also too, Rupert Murdoch.
So the big number is $130,000 come on Stormy…that’s Chump change…LOL.
Homegirl shoulda gone for millions from jump…?
Wait why do I have 300, 000 in my head?
The hits keep on comin’.
I was working all day and didn’t get a chance to comment on the dead Bolton thread down low, but I just wanted to say I know one of these John Boltons, and it’s not the one that would associate with Dolt 45…. National Maturity Advisor. Heh.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@lamh36: So Bolton’s been NSA for how many hours now? Less than 48 hours and here we go!
Edited for typo fix
@mai naem mobile:
The EU’s Competition Commisoner raided the London offices of the Murdochs today.
It takes real dedication to the task to do anything but lie on the beach in the Seychelles. You’ve got to admire a guy for that kind fo stick-to-it-iveness.
I am reminded that long ago I discovered I have no taste for mystery or spy books and movies — and now, every day’s news is part of an ever unraveling long, complicated tale of intrigue.
In tonight’s chapter/scene, the action has shifted to an archipelago I have never heard of, which apparently hosts regular international bad guy meetings.
People were comparing all of this to Watergate earlier today. That story I could follow, this one is reaching the point of too many plot twists.
@mai naem mobile: Murdoch’s offices were raided in the London…does that help?
Maddow has Dana Bouente’s notes backing up Comey
@sukabi: See, this is what I mean: now the camera has cut to London.
@Ohio Mom: that’s because the Watergate guys were all working toward ONE goal. Drumpf’s goon squad all have their own crooked agendas, and they’ve all bought into the belief that they are above the law, plus they are all incredibly lazy and stupid.
Shame she has to spend 30 minutes plus telling us about it. Treating it like Trump’s tax return.
mai naem mobile
I have no idea but I was assuming with the EU involved it’s not necessarily related to the Russia probe. I hope I am wrong .
Yeah… that was the last time I watched Maddow
Has she actually broken any significant stories recently or is it just commentary?
While the Watergate mantra was “follow the money” it wasn’t about grift or personal thievery, just about hiding cash campaign contributions.
@mai naem mobile: I don’t know if it involves Russia, but they are investigating “FOX NEWS” in particular…this is part of what the raid on Murdoch’s offices…
@TS: So don’t fucking watch, nobody gives a shit.
Gin & Tonic
@TS: Shame somebody’s holding a gun to your head and making you watch.
@efgoldman: yeah I know, one political crime then vs a crime syndicate now.
I think the difference really is that Nixon was in charge of everything and everyone around him while the opposite is true of Trump. Hence, no one Trump narrative, just an intersecting point of dozens of corrupt stories.
@mai naem mobile:
The EU’s investigating “corruption”,
It’s the nail that sticks up,……….
@sukabi: I think you hit on part of my problem, they are all lazy and stupid, and unlikeable to the extreme. They are not even good-looking eye candy. The only possible hero is Mueller and he keeps such a low profile — so far, he hardly figures in the storyline at all.
If this was indeed a movie, I’d have walked out of the theater already. But instead it’s my future — the world’s future — on the line.
This Michael Cohen fact is blowing my mind right now:
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@rikyrah: If this pans out, I think Boente, maybe in collusion (used advisedly) with Comey, decided to toss another bomb on trump’s front porch. Makes me wonder what other easter eggs friends of Comey may have. Makes me think all the warnings of “don’t go to war with the spooks” might actually be coming true
ETA: and maybe more to the point, a message to Rs in Congress. “It’s only going to get worse for him. How tight you wanna cling as he treads water six months from the midterms?”
@Gin & Tonic:
Nothing like the friendship and joy that comes from BJ – the internet working as planned.
If this were a mystery novel, I would have skipped to the end a couple of chapters ago.
Isn’t it funny how the Trump cult are the ones who love to prattle on about “globalists”…
@Jerry: white collar crime syndicate…well they’ve cut their ties with Cohen…a bit late
While there were numerous items that were shocking revelations at the time (Initial break in and coverup, Ellsberg’s shrink’s office burglary – which was tied up with the Pentagon Papers – the enemies list, the threat to use the IRS and FBI against enemies, the oval office recording system, the 18 minute gap….) what eventually got Nixon and his minions was the coverup, in one way or another.
While Weasel Face and his cronies, while incompetent to plan a two-car convoy, are thieves and grifters, period.
ETA: How’s the Immp?
@Jerry: You would think that Trump would just throw Cohen over the side and say that whatever he was doing he was doing on his own nickel and that Trump should say he knows nothing about anything that Cohen was doing and “I never should have trusted that shyster.”
@MomSense: Yes, exactly.
“Globalists” is a code word for “Jews.”
A (very) few Jewish conservatives like Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin have figured this out and are backpedaling away from Trump as fast as they can.
Think of it more like a series, where one novel builds on the next, like John le Carre novels.
Tomorrow or the next day he might. He’s not smart enough to have it as a reflex.
@Mnemosyne: yes, I know that… but as employed by the typical Trumptard, it means ‘furriners who want one world government’ or some such nonsense like that.
@Jerry: yep. And to tie it all together, that meeting in Seychelles with all dem dar sheikhs and Russians and Singaporeans was probably about Gasprom and Roseneft and Russian assets gone up for sale.
That’s in the next episode.
Seriously, Cohen has made a fetish of his loyalty to the shitgibbon. I suspect he is about to find out that loyalty to Trump is strictly a one way transaction, because Trump has absolutely no compunction about throwing people over the side when they become a liability to him. Or just piss him off, for that matter.
This is probably not all that significant. Patton Boggs is one of a small handful of giant lobbying law firms that dominate corporate practice. There’s only about 6 of them, so the odds are pretty good that some of the corporate entities involved in Trump’s treason are represented by one of them.
@Uncle Omar: Yeah, except that Cohen knows an awful lot about Trump’s business and might very well react to that by cutting a deal with the prosecutor….
Yeah, nope. They (Trumpists) adopted it from the Nazi’s useage, as an attempt to nomalize hate through vague language. Give them enough rope, and soon they are talking about the Rothchilds, the Illuminati and the Protocols of Zion.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
If LAO’s still here: Mets win 8-6, record is now 9-1.
Of course, the Mets were playing at Miami, not the Seychelles, so I guess this comment is OT. TFB.
@Washburn: Love your neighbor. The rest is commentary.
@Mnemosyne: Bangalore! “Globalist” is the 21st-century version of “rootless cosmopolitan.”
In other words … Jews.
Seriously. Ask a Trumptard to explain sometime. They know what it really means and they’ll be surprised that you’re surprised it means “Jew.”
Remember this? Trump &co. make this look simple.
@TS: Maddow is not speaking to us. She’s talking to the 99.999% of Americans who DON’T spend hours per day on political blogs. For them, the careful explanation is needed. There is a reason she has become the #1 cable news personality.
This is one of the reasons I get so impatient with the Sanders dead-enders. They actually think that the anti-Semites running Trump’s campaign would never have dreamed of pointing out that their Personal Jesus is one of those “globalists.”
@Fair Economist: She is doing God’s work, but it can make her unwatchable to people who are political junkies, yes?
@Jay: But that is my complaint. I’ve spent my whole life avoiding the John Le Carre-type genre and now I am forced into witnessing a real life enactment. It’s insult to the injury of watching Trump and his pals f everything up.
My only hope in ever grasping it all will be the eventual Cliff Notes.
@Uncle Omar: The problem with that plan is that the FBI already has Cohen’s documents, so he’d better hope that there’s nothing incriminating…
Steve in DUVAL
@Omnes Omnibus: yes.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
well, this certainly sounds like Team Trump is very confident in Michael Cohen’s nerve and loyalty
That’s what he does on odd-numbered days. On even-numbered days, he claims attorney-client privilege.
They are Saunder’s “dead enders”. Nothing more needs to be explained.
In Canada, in order to be a Lib, a Con, a Dipper, a Green, you actually have to fill out a membership form, and pay your membership fees, every year, as a result, there’s not a lot of Con’s, Dippers, Libs or Greens out there.
Anybody else is just a voter.
The Trump Campaign didn’t even try to hide who they were behind dogwhistles and event locations only history junkies would get for the symbolism.
That the Wilmerites ignored all that, shows their complicity.
@Steve in DUVAL: That’s all I am saying. Where the fuck is DUVAL?
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Why does Ingraham think Cohen should resist? Isn’t it enough that he tells the truth? This is what kills me. They all know that Trump is in shit up to his eyeballs.
More, it shows their ignorance and naivete. They don’t know shit about campaigns, politics, voting or elections. It’s fucking embarrassing that we give them any credibility in the process.
Steve in DUVAL
@Omnes Omnibus: the county in which Jacksonville, Florida is located. For unknown reasons, “DUVAL!” Is what ghetto people scream at local events such as Jaguars games and tractor pulls.
On the brightside, while all the major media were covering the Cohen Raids, Fucker Carlson was ranting on about Killer Panda’s.
The county where Jacksonville is
The googler is your friend.
@TS: It really seems like some people must lead really, really shitty lives.
Spooging around on blogs looking for opportunity to leash a real “zinger”. I’d bet that in their idle moments they reflect on that time in 1983 when that store clerk was mean to them, or puzzling why one of their high school paramours suddenly turned cold.
That’s pathetic as shit, of course, but how does saying nasty stuff here help?
@Steve in DUVAL:
Welcome STEVE from Duval?
You new here?
Welcome, welcome and howdy.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
there are parts of Love Shack where it really fits
It’s an outlet, trolly schmuck. You don’t like it, go concern troll another blog.
Go the fuck away and leave the grownups alone.
Ignorance and naivety, nope.
In this day and age, you have to willfully ignore dogwhistles and historic settings, and pretend, knowing otherwise, who’s a racist and who’s signalling to racists.
The Trump Campaign didn’t even bother to try to hide that they were wannabe Nazi’s.
And the dead ender Wilmerites made no secret that they preferred that wannabe Nazi’s would win.
Funny thing is, they’re not part of The Resistance at all.
The sip their latte’s, stroke their neck beards, and write another 1500 word missive on how The Resitance is “doing it all wrong”, and just not left enough.
I mean, holy Jeebus, now dark and long the nights must be. It’s like the midst of a winter at Myrdalsjökull without the solace of the Aurora Borealis.
Just stretching on for eternity without end. Bleak.
As I said….
@Steve in DUVAL:
@Washburn: You were an asshole troll in your previous incarnation, and you’re still one. Go away
I would have thought they would reflect on that time on April 10, 2018, when they sure told off those Balloon-Juice commenters who were wicked-mean to them.
One hopes that said reflection would then induce said put-upon-but-really-sincere-oh-yeah-SO-sincerely-concerned commenters to grow the fuck up.
ARGB, I’m sorry you’re having to hold back on all of your NRA propaganda until shit cools down. It must be hard for you that Americans can’t stop mass shooting each other for just one friggin’ day so you can try and sell your lame-ass gun-hugging shit again.
Oh my god, you mention bleak hopeless lives that aren’t improved by their constant internet jagofffery and look who pops up.
You only have to say it ONCE!
What fantastic advance in summoning the dark forces!
NRA troll says what?
Here, let me look in my crystal ball and predict your next lame attack. Are you going to fall back on the played-out Weinstein one, perhaps?
I’ve been posting in this thread for the last half hour. You only just noticed?
Oh, it’s ArgleBargle? Actually, now that you mention it, I remember someone — mighta been you — mentioning that the other day.
Thanks for the reminder.
[PS: I might have thought the “Oh woe is me all these Juicers are being SO MEAN to little ol’ ME!” schtick was more of an Applejinx thing, but this moron isn’t as long-winded. So far.]
Nope. The troll who decided that I am personally responsible for the crimes of Harvey Weinstein is definitely ARGB.
You’d think that, at some point, these guys would figure out they have to give up their pet obsessions if they want to try and fool people into thinking they’re a new commenter, but not yet, apparently.
I mean, what better possible way to rebut the idea that your shithole life leads you to seek refuge on the internet attacking people at random with tres clever zingers than popping up and letting loose a Janus Class zinger?
It doesn’t just drive a rhetorical stake through the heart of the argument, it pile drives a bodark railroad tie into it!
Bam! There it is.
Such a sad life you have.
Yes. This! I just want to skip to the perp walk(s)… I’m so fucking tired of it all.
For about a picosecond, I considered suggesting that some brave/foolhardy soul come up with a “lineage” chart — e.g., Unlimited Corporate Cash became Troll A1 who then became Troll C3, and so forth — but then I realized it would be one of the bigger wastes of time in this plane of reality.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think Steve had one too many Cokes with dinner tonight
If you think I’ve been attacking you “at random” for your spreading of NRA propaganda, you have a date with a dictionary.
@Steve in DUVAL: OMG, Duval County. A place I was in once, and hope never to be in again. It might have to do with checking into a motel, going to the room our key was for, and trying to open the – bolted – door only to have some guy inside yell “Fuck off now or I’ll blow you in two.” Oh yeah, we fucked off. Back to the front desk, where we gave the guy the key back and explained we were now departing and we’d better damn well not see a charge to our credit card next month. I don’t remember where we ended up staying, but I think it wasn’t in Duval County.
I bet Major^4 could write a script that would do it quickly, but he’s on vacation right now, so I don’t want to bug him.
So, at least six adult regular commenters, who have been here a total of probably forty years, are all wrong but your concern trolling is right. .
There was always one guy in marching band, or basic training, who stepped off on his right foot and insisted that he was right and everyone else was wrong. You’re that guy.
Based on other conduct, I think we can guess as to the content of the discussions in the Seychelles. The Saudi portion was probably something about getting Saudi money for the campaign and the ratf**king in exchange for policy concessions which we’re already seen in the first year of the Trump administration – the arms sales, the support against Yemen, Iran and the Emirates and whatever it was that was announced when they touched the orb at the summit. And the Russian portion was the hacking and wikileaks and money and lifting the sanctions. But it’s accurate that nothing has really leaked as yet. We’ll find out in due course – I suspect the Mueller team already has the basics and have placed it in the timeline they’ve been developing.
(And I think Steve in Duval just really likes golfer David Duval).
@Mnemosyne: Oh heavens no, I don’t think you’re responsible for Harvey Weinstein. That would make you out to be some kind of a moral Hitler. You’re not that important. You’re more like the slightly hunched seamstress that puts up some ads at the neighboring SS headquarters because, heck, somebody is going to do their mending. Why not me?
@efgoldman: No, your life has been really meaningful. Good job. Look back with pride from the summit!
Man, I love how you jump right to comparing a Jewish sexual harasser to Hitler. It’s kind of amazing how you don’t pause for even a second to think about what non-WASPs might find offensive.
It must be really hard to hang around criticizing a blog where nobody wants to engage with the substance of your comments. Maybe because there isn’t any substance.
:”Think”? Too busy thinking u[ pruerile put downs in a place s/he isn’t welcome and has nothing to offer.
Steve in DUVAL
He went to Georgia Tech—ewwww
I guess I’m supposed to quit my job and go into one of the many available fields where sexual harassment is unheard of, like science or politics.
I should go work for ARGB’s lobbying firm in Sacramento. I’m sure that nobody up there is covering up for serial sexual harassers, right, ARGB?
No Drought No More
One thing that’s different today than during Watergate is by the summer of ’74, most all his supporters were resigned to the fact that Nixon was guilty; that he needed to go for one good reason: that the rule of law be respected and upheld. While his pardon was surely extorted, that was that- end of discussion. Nixon’s people went to prison, he walked into a beautiful California sunset, and six years later Ronald Reagan was elected president.
But it appears increasingly likely that Trump has been busted for having committed treason. He hash’t merely been involved in the cover-up of a “third rate” burglary attempt. I for one don’t believe that Trump’s supporters will be so damn forgiving about his transgression (certainly the soybean farmers won’t). Come the day the proof of his guilt is presented for their consideration, and the scale of his crimes understood- as it will be understood- they’ll be righteously furious, and they’ll know what to do. The great debate among Americans at that point will be whether to execute the sonofabitch, or toss his treacherous ass into the deepest hole they’ve got at that super max prison in Colorado. I’m leaning towards locking him up for a reason every bit as good as enforcing the rule of law, i.e., to walk the walk, and practice the admonition, “thou shalt not kill”. And for that reason alone.
Superfluous to note, I won’t mourn if outvoted.
Somebody should try to explain the crime-fraud exception to him.
@No Drought No More:
I think it depends on which of his voters one is considering. The hardcore, borderline-insane racists will support him no matter what. The nice polite respectable racists/assholes — JRub, Kristol, Graham (maybe) — would probably cut their losses. The Hillary-haters? Who knows? The difficult part is figuring out the percentages of each. If the hardcores are more than the proverbial 27 percent, the “mainstream” Rethugs will probably cut Shitgibbon a lot of slack, because they’re afraid of getting primaried.
Anyway, I think you’re overly optimistic re: the number of people who will do “the right thing,” and overly optimistic re: the number of his supporters who will have a change of heart re: their support of him.
@No Drought No More:
Yes they will.
At the Dems
At the prosecutors
At the judges
Probably at the WaPo
Weasel Face will remain blameless in their eyes. Forever.
Remember, nothing is ever their fault and they are the most oppressed group in human history.
Should they do it in Aramaic? Or Tagalog? Because whether it’s in English, or one of those languages, it won’t matter: he’ll either not understand it, or he’ll understand it and forget it 45 seconds later, or understand it and say “Fuck it, that doesn’t apply to the president*.”
That’s right after they explain nuclear fusion. There is no “explaining” to him
@efgoldman: Based on personal experience, I think you and Frankensteinbeck have the best takes on the Trumpistas.
@burnspbesq: Someone should try to explain even and odd numbers to him first.
eta Cleverer answers already posted. Liked them too.
As Tom Lehrer wrote
“Oh the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the economically-anxious WWC”
@burnspbesq: It’s been mentioned in replies to his tweet about attorney-client privilege. That’s as good a chance as any that he’ll at least see the words. Explaining it to him is another thing entirely.
Among the most heavily armed too, unfortunately.
I am hankering for some pie.
(Activates pie filter)
Yum! Y’all should try some!
West of the Rockies
True enough. Some nights she is on fire and a hoot. Some nights are kind of a grind though.
@patroclus: If Steve in DUVAL is in *David* Duval, he is seriously oversharing.
@Omnes Omnibus: Yes, exactly. I can almost never abide any kind of video – it drives me nuts to have to follow somebody else’s pacing. But video is still useful for other people. Similarly for Maddow. I have a good friend (and non-political blog junkie) who adores her.
@No Drought No More:
The “27%” will go to their graves believing that Trump was innocent. The victim of evil Hillary and Barrack.
Their right wing news sources will never tell them the truth and they won’t believe the mainstream news when it doesn’t fit their self-created reality.
A bunch of armchair six pack militia wannabes and kkkeyboard kkkommandos.
Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]
@Washburn: Enjoy your pie.
Now I’m wondering if the sudden need for pie indicates the Seychelles business is something particularly important we needed to be distracted from.
More likely that mommy left a couple of fresh bags of Cheetos at the bottom of the basement stairs.
Why are people even engaging with this fool Washburn? Pie the SOB and be done with it.
Ratf** King is just one of Trump’s many titles.
I think complaining about how sad it is to live for a zinger is pretty ironic from a classic ‘says anything to start a fight’ troll.
Aw, thank you. Alas, it comes from living among them most of my life. That and just enough psych experience to understand rationality is something humans have to work at.
And also the most ‘talk big but sit on ther ass.’ Even the friggin’ Nazis, the young healthy ones, ran for cover at the slightest pushback.
I have noticed the troll count is picking up as we swing into election mode.
J R in WV
One of the good things about the pie filter is how you can take a look at pied responses, which are often quite amusing. The guys, Cleek, Alain, and Major^4 did a fine job with that tool ~!
@Omnes Omnibus: Duval is near Carnation, WA.
@Yarrow: I saw a t-shirt today that read, “I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.”