Here’s President Crazypants just moments ago, reacting to the DoJ report on fired Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe:
DOJ just issued the McCabe report – which is a total disaster. He LIED! LIED! LIED! McCabe was totally controlled by Comey – McCabe is Comey!! No collusion, all made up by this den of thieves and lowlifes!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 13, 2018
The Washington Post has a summary of the report’s findings here, and you can read the whole 39-page report here. I’ll summarize it: The report faults McCabe for improperly allowing a leak to the WSJ in October 2016 that confirmed that the FBI was investigating the Clinton Foundation and subsequently misleading Comey about that leak.
How Twitler concludes that an improper leak that damaged Hillary Clinton’s campaign right before the election and the subsequent gaslighting of Comey (which McCabe disputes) implicates Comey and exculpates Trump is a mystery. Well, not really — as the mafia lawyer-enforced fictions that have bolstered his massive ego and buttressed his undeserved standing, first as a celebrity and now as president, crumble to dust, Trump is losing what remains of his shit.
Seriously, look at that report, which mentions Trump exactly once and then only in passing, and tell me how a sane person gets “McCabe is Comey!” and “No collusion!” out of it. It’s like reading a Cheerios box and then rising from the breakfast table to screech about chem-trails and skunk apes. Twitler has gone bye-bye. Oh well. We won’t miss him, will we?
Open thread!
craigie
That’s two Cheerios references in two days. Something is going on!
Baud
It’s fodder for Hannity’s audience. It doesn’t have to make sense.
SFAW
He’s a fucking illiterate. Someone had to read it to him, and “embellished” the report.
Corner Stone
I guess the repeated trashing of the DoJ and FBI as dens of thieves and lowlifes is nothing to be concerned about.
? Martin
I said before, Trump will be carried out of the White House.
MattF
We don’t want to see Trump enter a true manic phase.
SFAW
@craigie:
Brain bleach trigger warning!!!
Shitgibbon uses them instead of an inflatable doll, for better fit.
Kristine
He’s come undone
He climbed a mountain that was far too high
And when he found out he couldn’t fly
It was too late….
My fave Guess Who song, I think.
Corner Stone
@craigie:
That’s where I get all my daily nutrition. Ah, HoneyNut Cheerios! Made by the Soylent Green Company, right here in the US of A!
? Martin
@SFAW: The only thing that matters is what was on Fox News today. What did they say about it?
Barbara
Any lie by any person means that anything that person ever said about Trump that was the least bit negative was also a lie. That rule applies only for people saying mean things about Trump. When liars say nice things about Trump, they are telling the truth. And just because Trump has been proven to lie, that doesn’t mean every word out of his mouth is a lie. The rule is based on the incontrovertible truth that Trump is good. Therefore, only liars accuse Trump of wrongdoing.
Got it?
dedc79
Further evidence that he’s come undone: Trump also apparently called Cohen after he knew the feds had raided Cohen’s apartment/hotel/office.
Tehanu
Fake Hair screeching “Fake news!” What else is new?
Lapassionara
@SFAW: ewwwwww! ?
SiubhanDuinne
This is truly disturbing. I mean, yes, of course, everything he does and says and tweets is truly disturbing, but this is truly disturbing.
Aleta
McCabe is Comey !! ?
efgoldman
He’s decompensating, says mrs efg the psych major
NotMax
Nothing screams stable genius like rampant paranoia.
geg6
@efgoldman:
I wasn’t a psych major, but if I remember my several psych classes from undergrad correctly, Mrs. efg is correct. I knew that abnormal psych class would come in handy some day.
cope
How can we miss the president* if he won’t, you know, actually go away?
Just One More Canuck
@Kristine: He wanted truth and all he got was lies
rikyrah
@dedc79:
AFTER?
Baud
@geg6:
Finally, my abnormal psych/political science double major pays off! //
T S
The D’s are laughably spineless as ever:
https://twitter.com/drvox/status/984861239003070464
I’m sure even if we took the Senate this Fall, they’ll willingly agree they are still helpless since they don’t have the mandate of a supermajority. We’re so screwed.
MattF
@Barbara: It’s of scientific interest to see how the Fox bots work this out. Yeah, There Is Only One Truth, but unfortunately for logic and sanity, it’s self-contradictory.
bemused
@efgoldman:
What does the end zone of decompensation look like? I’m hoping for president fubar to be hauled out of WH in a strait jacket.
Betty Cracker
@T S: That’s at least partially bullshit: If you click through and read the article, the “Democrats” in question are the New Democrat Coalition group — moderates who do not represent the party as a whole but rather a specific faction. The article is misleadingly titled and has been propagated as click-bait all over social media, which isn’t very helpful.
dedc79
@rikyrah: @rikyrah: Yup, after:
geg6
@T S:
It’s not up to them anyway. They can’t do a damn thing. It’s up to us. We’re the ones who will have to stop this nightmare. Only us.
MomSense
I heard Rep Jordan spinning furiously about how Comey McCabe and the guys who were reassigned from Mueller’s team (names escape me) were proof that the FBI and DOJ are corrupt.
Baud
@T S:
Yeah. Real weak.
Stop being manipulated by the anti-Dem media. That’s how we ended up in this situation.
ETA: You got there first. Thank you.
Baud
@geg6: This.
spaps
Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn!
Ruckus
@geg6:
You never thought that it would be about the president, while in office did you?
Kay
They do seem like they’re falling apart. Huckabee is always nasty but she was particularly so today.
We only see how horrible they are to others- they’re just as mean-spirited and petty to one another. Imagine what it’s like working in that sleaze pit.
ruemara
@Corner Stone: I want to print up every insult he makes about the DOJ & the IC and send it to the NYC FBI office.
dr. bloor
I continue to have difficulty generating a whit of sympathy for noble, long-serving McCabe getting reamed by Trump. Sometimes, karma likes to pretend it’s a boomerang, baby.
OldDave
@cope: bless the late Dan Hicks
oldster
That tweet is really…text-book deranged. Bogart muttering about strawberries stuff. It’s hard to believe that even his supporters do not recognize that he ain’t right in the head.
On the other hand, it does look like evidence that his tweets are not being curated by staffers right now.
efgoldman
@Baud:
T S is a roll up in a ball and whimper because we can’t do anything, kinda’ guy.
I’ve invited him to leave.
MattF
@oldster: Staff probably don’t want to get that close to him.
Kay
He can let us know when Comey and McCabe’s offices get searched. There’s only one person in that tweet who is under investigation and it isn’t those two. It isn’t Comey’s lawyer that is desperately pleading to keep illegality under wraps today- it’s Trump’s. Who is paying Trump’s lawyer’s lawyers, by the way? Today is going to be expensive for someone in the crime cartel.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Ronna [Romney!] McDaniel, buried in an avalanche of resignation letters submitted by the scandal-plagued pervs who run her party’s financial operation, surfaces periodically to impugn Comey’s character at the behest of her degenerate boss. You have to wonder what she’s thinking.
Betty Cracker
@spaps: Okay, that made me laugh. :)
efgoldman
@oldster:
“Curated”
Hah!
Apparently his phone is in a drawer that nobody else can get to.
bystander
If you live in NYC, twitler’s presence will continue to be felt after he leaves DC in disgrace. His ugly mug has been crammed down NYrs’s throats for decades. I pray he’ll move to Mar a Lago where he can avoid the constant public rebuke.
MattF
@Betty Cracker: “Fuckety fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.”
Corner Stone
@dr. bloor: One of Trump’s talents is that he tries to make people who deserve no sympathy, quarter or understanding seem like the victims. I, for one, am refusing to give one shit about Comey or McCabe.
geg6
@Ruckus:
No, I didn’t. I do have to admit that part is a complete surprise.
ETA: It could also be disinhibition.
Yarrow
@? Martin: Do you mean on a stretcher or in a straitjacket? Both?
Roger Moore
@bemused:
Haven’t you seen the fantastic documentary on this subject, The Caine Mutiny?
HeleninEire
I a becoming bored and pissed with “Trump is losing it” and “Trump is becoming unhinged” and “Trump is becoming unraveled.”
NO NO NO. He has always been nuts. “Becoming” gives credence to his voters and supporters.
Like they didn’t know.
GregB
Trump has gone full Queeg.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
The low quality, overpaid hacks at Fox News are running the Trump Administration. Into the ground. Huckabee is as nasty as her father. The nepotism is understandable when you see how mediocre the grown children are. Otherwise unemployable.
hitchhiker
@Betty Cracker:
Don’t know what she’s thinking, but I bet ol’ Mitt is glad she decided to stop using the family name.
Roger Moore
@ruemara:
They won’t believe he means them. He means all those other people in the FBI and DOJ who aren’t in solid with him.
Weaselone
It’s amazing how Wapo manages to go the whole article without mentioning that the leak was about the Clinton email investigation and that the lies were him covering his own butt about being the source of the leak.
zhena gogolia
@GregB:
THE MESS BOYS ATE THE STRAWBERRIES
bemused
@Kay:
I just had that thought, again, for about the umpteenth time…gotta be hellacious working in WH. Only corrupt sociopaths would choose to be there.
zhena gogolia
@zhena gogolia:
You know, that would make a good tweet, if only Capt. Q were still around
T S
@Baud: Well, what is NOT false is the fact that simply protecting Mueller is going to be a Constitutional fight itself. A lot of dems are already hangwringing about whether its even constitutional to forbid Trump from firing any Executive Branch personnel.
I say do it and make the Supreme Court pick a side.
Mandalay
I have waded through that report. Putting aside the leaks themselves, Comey’s role and the meltdowns and bullshit from Trump, it looks to me like McCabe was guilty of more than “lack of candour” and “misleading” others – he lied to investigators on multiple occasions to benefit/protect himself. YMMV of course.
I don’t know whether he deserved to lose his pension, but he lied under oath, and given that he was Deputy Director of the FBI allowing him to keep his pension probably would have been even more controversial than taking it away.
efgoldman
@HeleninEire:
He hasn’t always had full-blown dementia ON TOP of everything else.
Baud
@T S: Thankfully, we have smarter people running our caucus.
Kay
To “check in”. They better be conspiring. They’ll need to get their stories straight.
Meanwhile, Comey heads out on his book tour, free as a bird, not a care in the world. Trump would trade places with him if he could.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Yarrow: As a wise woman once said, “what difference does it really make”.
Baud
@Mandalay: He’s suing, so we’ll see how accurate this report is.
Barbara
@Kay: I try not to fixate on the appearance of women in the public eye, but she looks tired and seems to have gained a lot of weight. I don’t understand how anyone could work with someone who is as insane as Trump. I worked with people who lost their shit on a sporadic basis but were okay most of the time and even that was really taxing.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Heh. Win!
bemused
@Roger Moore:
Ha!
SRW1
@oldster:
Exactly the right frame of mind to decide whether to risk a confrontation in Syria or his self-image as a tough guy.
Kay
@bemused:
Well, they’re all lying assholes, so it would be horrible to work with them under any circumstances, but it must be unbearable now that the walls are closing in. Trump’s a screamer too, and that’s on a day when his lawyer ISN’T in court.
Leto
@spaps: Hey hey! We did that routine in the thread downstairs!
@HeleninEire: Agreed. The constant, “He’s losing it for real this time!” is just tiresome. He’s been “losing it” since Feb 2017. Find a new angle people.
TenguPhule
@Corner Stone:
To be fair they are currently headed by thieves and lowlifes.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
It’s important to remember that Cohen isn’t really Trump’s lawyer. He’s Trump’s business associate who happens to be a lawyer. Trump is the kind of person who thinks attorney-client privilege means everything that happens when an attorney is part of the conversation is protected from law enforcement, and who likes to keep an attorney in the room for exactly that reason.
trollhattan
@Kay:
Did he hold a paper with “Do Not Congratulate!” written on it when he called Cohen?
bemused
@Kay:
Every day, it’s crabs in a bucket.
T S
@Baud: In spite of being poorly sourced and possibly untrue, I don’t think this particular flavor of “anti dem media” has the effect of making people less engaged in Dems winning elections. I think in our current environment it makes people light more of a fire under their asses. Warner’s already had to clarify his positions in response to it.
Baud
@T S:
You have a point. I hadn’t considered that calling Dems “laughably spineless” might actually help with GOTV.
Leto
@bystander: If Trump Tower continues to catch fire, you might get that wish. Though cursing Florida like that is just extra cruel.
Barbara
@Betty Cracker: Another knife to twist in the evangelical’s gut. Yeah, that’s right, we all bang women we aren’t married to pretty much all the time and we don’t give an FF what you think and don’t you dare close your checkbook. I mean, Gimminy Christmas, it’s like they hire these people only if they pass a minimum threshold for demonstrating lechery. It really makes me think that a lot of other people, like Senators and House Reps, are being blackmailed for similar kinds of wrongdoing.
efgoldman
@TenguPhule:
Gypsies, tramps and thieves….
trollhattan
@SRW1:
The U.S. has actual enemies in addition to Trump’s made-up ones and right now we sure seem vulnerable to whatever hijinks they may be considering. All this Trumpian crisis mongering has me very twitchy.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Baud:
That doesn’t exactly sound like nothing, as that tweet claims. Very misleading of T S.
Roger Moore
@bystander:
I was hoping for Florence, CO.
Schlemazel
@T S:
Please try not to wet yourself over the tweet of some rando with no evidence to support his position.
Jeffro
This is fucking nuts. He just called the FBI a den of thieves and lowlifes ???
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto:
Trump would just be the newest “Floriduh Man”.
Schlemazel
@Jeffro:
in that he agrees with the mafia and drug cartels so maybe they are on to something. Men of that stature must be right
bemused
Jared and Ivanka must be trying to make themselves invisible. Haven’t heard a thing about them.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore: I hear Florence is nice this time of year.
Mandalay
@Baud:
Right. And Trump is going to sue the gazillion women who accused him of sexual assault. And OJ is going to dedicate his life to finding the killer of his wife.
If you read the report it’s evident that quite a few FBI employees would have to have been lying for McCabe to have been telling the truth.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@bemused: It’s “Infrastructure Week” so they’re quite busy.
eclare
@bemused: Didn’t Ivanka go to the conference that Pence went to in Peru? Those two have a knack for going out of town/country just as bad news hits….
sukabi
@dedc79: here’s hoping the feds got a warrant to surveil Cohen after the raid that included tapping his phones…that’s a tape that the feds wouldn’t have to get cleared by a judge.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
I would be especially cautious if I were in Trump’s shoes, because it’s likely the feds have a wiretap order on Cohen’s phone.
Schlemazel
@efgoldman:
I was wondering if he was hoping for pie, sounds like you think he does so that will e next – thanks
rikyrah
It’s All Connected
By Josh Marshall | April 13, 2018 1:17 pm
The Wall Street Journal just published a stunning scoop. In 2017 Michael Cohen negotiated a $1.6 million hush deal for a major GOP fundraiser named Elliott Broidy, deputy finance chairman of the RNC. If that name rings a bell, it should. Broidy is at the center of the part of the Russia probe involving the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and international fixer and convicted pedophile George Nader.
Nader, in turn, is the guy who set up those meetings in the Seychelles which brought together Erik Prince and that Russian banker. Both Nader and Broidy have been frequent visitors to the White House during Trump’s presidency and involved in ways that are still not totally clear in the mix of money negotiations, geopolitics and Russia back channels with a series of Gulf emirates.
Also notable, the woman in question became pregnant and ended her pregnancy in an abortion, though in a statement to the Journal Broidy says that decision was solely hers.
We’re still putting together the details here. But this is significant in that it seems to tightly bind together Cohen the hush money fixer and key persons at the heart of the Russia probe.
Yarrow
@bemused: Javanka are hoping all the attention on Cohen and the Stormy Daniels story means the heat’s off them. Nope. Their turn is near.
bemused
@sukabi:
Yes, a noticeable pattern.
Leto
@trollhattan: That’s a distinct possibility; create so much internal strife that we’re not paying attention to what else is happening around the world (giving nefarious actors a bit more room to maneuver unimpeded/unseen). Might as well take advantage of that while you can. State Department is gutted, so no help there either. Can’t exactly pay attention to your neighbor’s burning house while you’re sitting in your own flaming wreckage.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Well in most “Floriduh Man” episodes, “FM” is arrested. We can only hope that trend continues with the great OFC.
Schlemazel
@bystander:
Didn’t Capone retire to FLorida once his syphilis induced dementia made him a drooling lump? There is precedent then.
rikyrah
I’ll say it again..
Every Democrat should have the attitude of either Ted Lieu or Maxine Waters.
Stop with this mushmouth shyt.
TenguPhule
@NotMax:
Rampaging paranoia.
efgoldman
@Schlemazel:
Just annoying, not a troll.
Possibly a Wilmer bot.
Baud
@Mandalay: Then he’ll lose the lawsuit. Do we not believe people should have their day in court anymore?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Leto:
Only some of them get arrested, some end up offing themselves in creative ways.
Chip Daniels
@rikyrah:
I’m betting the 1.6 Million was conditional upon the abortion.
bemused
@Yarrow:
Slowly I turn…step by step…inch by inch…
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: NO, try it in the press with blog commenters as the jury.
Leto
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Tomato, tomahto…
rikyrah
For 27 years, I was privileged to work with the thousands of career DOJ lawyers and FBI agents who work hard every day to keep our country safe, our rights protected, and the rule of law intact. They deserve better than this. https://t.co/PORoGaCm5n
— Sally Yates (@SallyQYates) April 2, 2018
Roger Moore
@eclare:
You mean it’s always a day ending in “y” when they are leaving town?
rikyrah
@Yarrow:
Uh huh
Uh huh
Ruckus
@geg6:
Don’t think so, he would have had to have inhibition before now. He really didn’t. He’s been an unrestrained asshole his entire life. The difference is that he now has a lot more power, he thinks that power is absolute, and he is still an unrestrained asshole. His inhibitions haven’t changed, his life has, and in ways absolutely not how he was thinking it would.
In cruder times I would have said that he stepped on his dick with golf shoes on. But of course he’s so out of shape that’s impossible. Figuratively speaking though……..
Schlemazel
@efgoldman:
They bore me to tears so he might get the rhubarb instead of apple.
Mike in Pasadena
When the Republicans were passsing the Patriot Act, they answered objections to privacy provisions with statements such as, “If you have done nothing wrong, there’s nothing to worry about.” It might seem time for some reporter to ask the Sarah the Huckster, “If President Trump has done nothing wrong, what is he so worried about? Why are his attorneys fighting so hard to suppress evidence taken from Mr. Cohen?”
jl
@rikyrah: Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. Wonder if there is a pseudonymous party in that particular Cohen hush money agreement, named say, Doug Douglason, who never signed it, and special shell LLC set up for the sole purposes of legal intimidation. I hope the work is as shoddy as for the Stormy hush money deal.
Two things struck me as important in the news breaks today. One is how fully on board supposedly responsible extablishment GOPers, like Priebus (sp?, not worth the trouble to get that schuck’s name right anyway) were fully on board Trumpist BS, as long as it looked like it would work for them.
Second, we have the second symbolic pardon from Trump. Maybe that indicates his course over the short term. He is afraid to fire Rosenstein or Mueller, since that might trigger a reckoning with Congress, which might be particularly dangerous if it happens so that GOPers will be able to respond in the immediate wake of the GOP primaries (which will be determined by Trumpster vote). So, maybe he will try to send signals to Manafort and Cohen that they’ll get their pardons.
I think that plan has two problems as far as I can see, though IANAL. Manafort and Cohen will have to testify or spend time in the clink after a pardon. And, people who should know, like James Madison, wrote, explicitly and specifically, that corrupt pardons are definitely grounds for impeachment, trial and removal from office. Pissed off GOPers in Congress, after their primaries are over would have a juicy quote if they want to get revenge for what Trump and his gang have done to the electoral fate of their party.
Edit: until GOP primaries are over, GOP in Congerss won’t do squat, in fact will continue to defend Trump, since they need to get past the primaries.
rikyrah
@trollhattan:
This is been one of my real worries. I feel you.
Immanentize
@Kay: There probably were unfriendly ears on that call….
Ruckus
@HeleninEire:
They might not have known.
I’d bet serious money that life looks a lot different with your head firmly in the exit orifice.
randy khan
@Kay:
It would be kind of amazing (in the “oh, boy, I never hoped for something this good” sense) if it didn’t occur to either of them that Cohen’s phone might be tapped.
Leto
@Yarrow: I do kind of find it amazing that we’ve pretty much heard absolutely zero about Javanka for a solid two-three weeks now. The highly suspicious funding of Kushner Company properties is a pretty major story. Just furthers the overall corruption theme that should also be drilled into every Dem talking point come this November.
Maybe Jared is busy amending his security form, yet again, so we just haven’t seen him?
Yarrow
@rikyrah:
From the article:
I see we’re just about to get to the human trafficking and pedophilia part of the story. It’s disgusting.
MattF
@Leto: There were some stories about how the problems with 666 Fifth Ave. were going to get resolved… and then they disappeared. Maybe there’s a desire to keep things quiet.
The Dangerman
Redstate (yeah, I know, but roll with me here) saying word is that Rosenstein is getting the axe today.
Immanentize
@sukabi: From what I have been hearing, they had a warrant to grab his emails a couple of months ago. Warrants aren’t like that specific — if emails, all electronic communications, including phone calls. The most recent warrant is certainly a product of that warranted eavesdropping. And the new warrant in no way cancels the old. In fact, that is when the feds often get some of their best “Oh SHIT!” wiretap info. I would say that anyone who has gotten rich in the criminal world would not be too stupid not to know this, but I would be lying. Criminals are generally idiots.
PS Do people here remember Scooter Libby’s letter to Judith Miller when she was in prison for contempt of court talking about how the Aspens are all connected at the roots?
jl
@randy khan: I wonder if they plan far enough ahead to set up codes.
“Hi Mike, did you hear that the cat is on the mat”
“Great news, Don, April showers bring May flowers”
“I forgot to mention that my dog has fleas.”
“Takes two to tango, I been thinking about the deep truth in that”
“Always remember, Mike, every good boy does fine. Believe me. Everyone is saying that.”
Mike in NC
Trump walking around the West Wing exposing himself to unsuspecting staffers? Probably started months ago.
Yutsano
@efgoldman: GDI you stole my idea…
Immanentize
@rikyrah: I will be Sally Yates’ car washer or pool boy or shoe shine or nail polisher or whatever she wants.
JMG
Ivanka is in Peru with Mike Pence. Mother is there, too, I assume.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Yarrow:
In the basement of a pizza joint?
Corner Stone
@bemused:
I am hoping Ivanka requests asylum from a country in South America while she’s at the summit.
efgoldman
@Ruckus:
Their bullshit always worked before.
In CIVIL cases.
This is a potential criminal proceeding. Neither Weasel Face nor his lawyers has any experience facing criminal charges.
Immanentize
@JMG:
Kinky!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mike in NC: No, he’s exposing himself to the portraits of former Presidents* on the walls.
*Nixon ref for the kids.
Betty Cracker
@HeleninEire & @Leto: I’m not a mental health professional, but in my opinion, Trump was a malignant narcissist upon entering the White House and has deteriorated considerably over the ensuing months, probably because he can no longer really control his environment or escape scrutiny. He’s getting worse, IMO. YMMV.
Yarrow
@Leto: Ivanka is in Peru. I saw pictures of her there. I also hear a short mention of her trip on the radio. No idea where Jared is.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: No. This time is real. Remember, it’s always projection with Republicans and self-styled “conservatives.” They didn’t randomly pick that subject out of a hat when they accused Hillary and the pizza place of it.
SiubhanDuinne
@bystander:
Floriduh! Man
Leto
@MattF: There’s definitely a desire because it involves corruption. It’s also just the overwhelming torrent of crap that continually emerges from this administration that it makes it hard to rise above the noise floor. We do have some really good financial investigative journalists who have been on this, so hopefully they have some more stories about this soon. Continually keep the spotlight on these cockroaches .
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@T S:
So long as I get the pleasure of kicking Bernie supporters repeatedly in the face, I can’t say as I care.
Bring on 2020 – I want to see that useless piece of shit mediocrity consigned to the dung heap of history.
trollhattan
“The best people.” –D. Trump
Here’s one now.
Yarrow
What’s the latest on the Pompeo vote? Has that happened? Is it happening this week?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Betty Cracker:
I agree*.
*Also not a mental health professional, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.
SiubhanDuinne
@zhena gogolia:
It would still make a fine BJ rotating tag.
Fair Economist
@Betty Cracker:
It’s very helpful to people who want to disrupt Democratic mobilization.
Schlemazel
@Betty Cracker:
Yup, it is objectively obvious that his mental state is worse now than 2 years ago. Not different, not surprising but worse.
Marcopolo
@T S: I call bullshit. Show your work. I want names & attributed quotes showing many Dems making these statements. Otherwise you are pied.
trollhattan
@Yarrow:
Bothering the sheep.
Baud
@Yarrow: Still in committee, I believe.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
While this is all true, I was answering Helen about the asswipes that voted for the shitgibbon. It is possible that they didn’t know how much of an asshole drumpf has always been. And of course the media was of little use there, striving for sales and eyeballs because they thought he couldn’t possibly win and they would lose money if it wasn’t a horse race. Just like pretty much everything in modern life, it’s all about the money, not the quality of the product.
T S
@efgoldman: I put in some time volunteering in 2016, buddy. I will again. I’m really pessimistic, but I’m still going to go get yelled at by the occasional RWNJ while phone banking, because the reward for helping some people figure out they can still vote a few days before the election when they thought they couldn’t is worth it. I’ll do it for any candidate who runs as a D against Trump. I’d even do it for Hillary again (okay, maybe that’s an exaggeration…if the D’s put her on the ticket again, I might pack it in. I liked her, but come on…)
Also, your disinvites are pretty pointless.
And it’s funny seeing how some people start manufacturing narratives about bots or trolls…so I’m a bot or a troll because…why? Because I think a good fraction of Americans are just fine with Trump’s racism and will probably still vote for him in the fall? That the Democrats don’t always have the spines they should? Okay okay, lol, only a russian bot or a troll could think that way. No sensible real person would go there.
It’s also funny you drag me for pessimism and “complaining while doing nothing” but you aren’t doing much more with your response than complaining about complaining and spreading your own brand of toxic antagonism. Granted, you might do a whole bunch of stuff outside of commenting here…but I wouldn’t know, don’t really care, and wouldn’t presume to know to the point I’d preemptively insult you about it before I knew.
VeniceRiley
I’m going to watch Lost In Space when I get home, and by the time I am done, I expect Rosenstein and maybe Sessions will be out of a job; Because I cannot do anything enjoyable for a couple hours without something drastic happening.
Betty Cracker
Help me, folks with legal superpowers: does this mean Trump now has standing in Cohen’s case? And why in God’s name would he want that?
Fair Economist
@bystander:
I’d rather he move to a Supermax facility for his many treasonous activities.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: Needs it to appeal a bad decision.
SiubhanDuinne
@Barbara:
I think I see what you did there.
Leto
@Yarrow: Or is it the Invanka body double?
/s
TenguPhule
@Betty Cracker: They agreed to hear him out. Doesn’t mean they’ll make a decision he agrees with.
Marcopolo
@jl: There are other problems with pardons as have been mentioned before: they don’t protect you from state charges & both Cohen & Manafort’s indictment include lots of things that NYAG Schneiderman can charge them with; once you are pardoned you lose your 5th amendment defense right; and there are just too damn many witnesses out there—hard to pardon all of them.
Fair Economist
@Yarrow:
I wonder if the Russians got something on McConnell’s rumored predilection for underage boys? That would explain some of his behavior during the election.
efgoldman
@Yutsano:
Very rarely quicker than wunnaya whippersnappers
TenguPhule
@trollhattan: I’ve noticed that phase two of Trump’s appointees lean heavily towards “Time to kill the liberals” side of the wingnut insanity scale.
ruemara
@bystander: He won’t be in NYC. I honestly believe that if you can remove him, he’s going to a penitentiary if he doesn’t ask for extradition.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Fair Economist: I think that’s a good bet, as well as his Army records.
Schlemazel
@T S:
I am left with a couple of possible explanations. Either you really don’t see how you come off when you post empty dreck like the original post or you are what is known in the trade as a ‘concern troll’. If the former you should look at the response to your original post and try to learn. Maybe examine that tweet & the badly sourced article it fronts to see if you can figure out why it is not really worth much. If it is the latter, and frankly your subsequent comments make me lean in that direction, then you should expect abuse or pie.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
What are the odds its a Papa Johns franchise?
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
I was a mental health counselor, about a billion yrs ago, but a lot of that sticks with me to this day. He is getting worse, some for the reasons you stated and some that I stated in #115. He is decompensating. That means he can not compensate for the world around him. It could be stress, it could be an illness like Alzheimers, it could just be age, it could be all of the above. It ain’t fun to be in a deteriorating physical/mental situation that one has no control over, believe me. It would be far worse to have volunteered to put yourself in that situation thinking that would make your life better, while in fact it is the biggest fuck up of one’s life. And in drumpf’s case he’s had a life full of self inflicted fuckups.
opiejeanne
@jl: You left out: All Cows Eat Grass.
Waratah
@? Martin: I am ready for him to be carried out now.
opiejeanne
@Mike in NC: Has he drawn a mustache on Hillary’s portrait yet?
Cheryl from Maryland
Wow. This is territory close to a novelty record favored by my brother and I in 1966 by Jerry Samuels with the nom du album of Napoleon XIV. Actually, I wish this would happen to der Trumpf.
”
And they’re coming to take me away ha-haaa
They’re coming to take me away ho-ho hee-hee ha-haaa
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I’ll be happy to see those nice young men
In their clean white coats
And they’re coming to take me away ha-haaa”
SiubhanDuinne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Dammit, Billin, I just saw this, quite some time after I posted my #140.
If it weren’t for all my “somebody else said it better, and sooner” comments, I wouldn’t post here at all.
Elizabelle
FTF NY Times, Trump Called Michael Cohen as Their Lawyers Went to Court Over Seized Trump Documents
Just one more canuck
@Corner Stone: Postcards from Paraguay
Yarrow
@Fair Economist: Someone has something on McConnell. I don’t know who has it or what it is, but I saw it written all over his face in December, 2016. He was shaken.
Ruckus
@Baud:
So he needs standing in a case that already involves him? Why in the fuck would he put himself in harms way, other than being a complete and utter moron?
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
Can the next pundit to use the words “optics”, “attuned”, “messaging”, or “narrative” be beaten to death with a baseball bat live on national TV?
efgoldman
@Waratah:
Given his life style and stress of twitraging, I’m surprised he hasn’t already stroked out.
T S
@Baud: @Baud: For the record, I am glad Warner has clarified he is not interested in a cooling off period, and see the story wasn’t well sourced. However, in general, IF dems ARE being laughably spineless, f- em. Call them out for it. It happens enough. They forget their constituency all the time.
But, I’m thinking like a voter, not a Party operator. I volunteer some, but I haven’t made a job of politics. It’s not my job to get them elected, it’s their job to make me want to elect them.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne: Yes, but you had the exclamation point after Floriduh; I will leave* in shame.
*I do have to get the girls ready to see the vet for shots.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Ruckus:
You answered your own query.
Baud
@T S: Do whatever you want. I’m not wasting time on people like you anymore.
jl
@TenguPhule: ” What are the odds its a Papa Johns franchise? ”
IIRC, it was a small independently owned joint. Run by the kind of independent small time person the GOP and Trumpsters claim they care so much about. But not sure IRC.
Baud
@Ruckus:
He was not a party to the case before, so he needed to intervene. Now he is, so he can appeal a bad decision. And he’s a moron.
SiubhanDuinne
@Schlemazel:
Am I inferring what you’re implying?
Immanentize
@Betty Cracker: Not a worrisome thing. If there are priveleged comunications between Cohen and Trump, this just says that Trump has the right to complain about them being revealed. Which he should. The attorney/client privilege exists to protect the client, not the attorney. So, a client should have standing when his/her attorney’s records are seized.
That said, it seems that there is very little “attorney” in what Cohen was up to.
Schlemazel
When I hear bullshit like that I think “Ah, a Republican who wants to pretend they are not, sort of like “I’m a Libertarian”.
SiubhanDuinne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I learn at the feet of Adam, the Master. He wields a mean exclamation point!
BC in Illinois
@T S:
I don’t pie many people. Every once in a while I override the pie filter to see if there is something I’m missing from that commenter or people taking the time to reply to them. Usually not.
I think that a cautious use of the pie filter allows me to follow the thread without going down unfruitful tangents. As I say, it’s worth checking in to see if there are useful tangents I am missing. In my experience, usually not.
A discussion of “laughably spineless Democrats” doesn’t seem, to me, to be a useful tangent.
Jedem das Seine.
Mary G
efgoldman
@Ruckus:
Whoever is his lawyer this week, we are into the always delay, always obfuscate, slow everything down to a crawl, challenge everything in front of any judge that will bang a gavel, then appeal any adverse decision, phase, then do it again….
Tricksie’s attorneys did the same thing until SCOTUS shot them down.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@T S:
It’s your job as a citizen to vote and be informed. We are all collectively responsible for the world we live in.
JMG
As a matter of practical politics, it’ll be way easier for Democratic Senators and Representatives to become more aggressive following large citizen-led demonstrations. See, the Muslim travel ban, winter 2017.
Schlemazel
@SiubhanDuinne:
I have maintained for some long time now that hair furor is suffering from untreated syphilis. He claims STDs were his Vietnam and he displays some of the classic cognitive and physical symptoms. I am hoping that they unseal some of these NDAs and show the women needed to be treated
Ruckus
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
It’s not a laughing matter but yes, I did get a giggle out of your comment. He probably is the most well know moron in the universe at the moment.
@Baud:
You think he won’t be a party to the case because the guy is not his lawyer? They have a rather involved relationship. If in fact his lawyering is not really his work, but fixing shit is, wouldn’t the person he fixes shit for become involved?
Immanentize
@Marcopolo: I am hoping someone subpoenas Scooter Libby, with no more 5th amendment right, to divulge what he knew about Cheney’s involvement in outing a CIA agent.. If he refuses to testify, contempt sentence.
T S
@Schlemazel: I used the tweet, but I’m referring to the Nat. Journal article itself. However, THAT was poorly sourced. Warner clarified his position.
But you know what…I’m glad he’s got a fire lit under his ass. Oh, so terrible the media made him come out and assert his position.
Now, let’s see what they actually do. I know they can’t impeach without a majority…but the idea that they should be cautious even mentioning it…yeah, I’m not sorry that I assumed that story was realistic, because it has pretty much been their M.O. for a long time. Less so under Trump, but still, it’s in their blood.
I’m starting to figure out what really makes Party operators or people connected to them angry: skeptical voters. Mind you, I’m still voting for D’s in every election I can…but sorry if I’m not a cheery enthusiast.
zhena gogolia
@Cheryl from Maryland:
As a child I thought that record was hilarious. I never realized I’d be living it.
BC in Illinois
@BC in Illinois:
Oh, wow. I will now reply to myself.
The phrase Jedem das Seine [“To each his own”] was a motto I knew from a plaque in an old house in Michigan. I was unaware that it had a Nazi usage. Wikipedia (from which all knowledge flows) has brought me up to date.
I apologize for bringing it into the discussion.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
This is true.
I sometimes have a difficult time lowering my thinking like to that of a moron so it can be difficult to parse what they are thinking/doing at any particular moment.
Baud
@Ruckus: A person has to be named expressly as a party to be a party. I assume he hadn’t been until now.
T S
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: THAT we can agree on. Being skeptical of the Party does not make me a BernieBro. I was for Hillary from beginning to end, and I had misgivings. I’m just not stupid enough to vote for a loser out of protest.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@T S:
“Party operators”? Jesus Christ.
You know what makes informed people dedicated to making the world a better place? Idiots who couldn’t reason their way out of a paper bag, who mistake their own stupidity for high-minded “scepticism”.
Face it: the Democrats are America’s best hope to save democracy.
ruemara
@Mary G: What the heck is a dinner lid?
NotMax
Exclusive footage of Dolt 45 meeting with Congressional Republicans.
:)
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: I suspect Baud can be a party just by showing up.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Schlemazel: Porn stars are regularly tested for STD’s and would be treated for them if they contracted them before they could work.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mike in Pasadena:
I wish the BJ Commentariat could take over for the existing WHPC, even for a day.
Fair Economist
@T S:
It’s all just messaging, though, as the simple fact is that until 2019 at least Warner has no power to move legislation, impeach Trump, etc.
The reason Democrats are downplaying impeachment is that it doesn’t fire up Democratic voters much more than they already are, but it really fires up Republican voters. Polling isn’t gospel, but the indication is that talking up impeachment will reduce the number of Democrats in Congress in 2019.
trollhattan
@Cheryl from Maryland: Childhood friend had the 45. Fun fact, the B-side was the same song, backwards.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Fair Economist:
I agree with this.
Corner Stone
@Ruckus:
If it’s not lawyering then it is business. And Trump has no standing. This is going to be very illuminating.
Mandalay
@Baud:
Not sure where that strawman came from, but of course McCabe is welcome to appeal. It’s just that I don’t believe he will appeal, and if he does he will lose.
Read the report and you will understand why.
If you want to put on tin foil and argue that the other FBI employees are lying, and McCabe is telling truth then good luck. But even if McCabe really is telling the truth and they are all lying, do you think that they will all recant when McCabe appeals?
McCabe has already lost his pension. If he wants to lose his savings as well he can appeal.
Immanentize
@trollhattan: Drugs did that to them
Kay
Me too! We have that in common. They’re freaking out because it’s really bad. He isn’t Trump’s “lawyer”! He’s Trump’s criminal associate who happens to have a bar card.
Criminals here are low level, blue collar crime as opposed to this white collar crime but the idiocy is the same. They call the police. They have a weird tunnel vision. They think the police will come and arrest their relative who hit them in the face in a fight over a cell phone and NOT NOTICE they have an active warrant! Like police are crime-specific.
Trump thinks like this too- that’;s why he keeps screeching “NO COLLUSION” as if that’s a magic incantation that will stop this. It won’t. They go until they’re done and any crimes they find along the way? They just roll those in. Nothing is “off limits”. There is no red line.
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
For the young’uns who might not be aware, the flip side of the single was just that. Both the printing on the label and the song were backwards.
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
And increase the possibility of actual journalism taking place at least 20 fold? Couldn’t that be cause for worry for the general welfare of the entire population?
Marcopolo
@Immanentize: This is totally unsourced & scuttlebutty but I’ve seen folks claim it was Armitage, not Libby who outed Plame. No doubt they have an agenda to push. Aside from that; however, I see the whole Libby pardon thing as some weird freak show side circus to everything else that is going on in Trumpworld.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Baud:
I for one look forward to a conservative maintain that the existence of bananas prove Trump wasn’t colluding with the Russians the way they are going. Good bye post truth, hello to the post sanity Right.
Elizabelle
FTF NYTimes has expanded and retitled its story (excerpt above) with today’s court appearance, and is moving it as a “news alert.” The new stuff:
headline, same photo: Isolated and Unnerved, Trump Sees New York Inquiry as Greater Threat Than Mueller
Kimba Wood is a great, and experienced, judge. She was Bill Clinton’s second choice for Attorney General, after Zoe Baird withdrew, but was also felled by a nannygate situation. Third time was the charm: Janet Reno. Childless.
Yarrow
@ruemara:
Dinner lid:
opiejeanne
@Schlemazel: I’ve never understood what he meant by syphilis was his Vietnam, unless he meant he caught it at least once, and back then it was easily treated with penicillin, wasn’t it? Gonorrhea is another matter altogether and I don’t remember the treatment or how easy/difficult treatment was.
Ruckus
@Corner Stone:
Well one often does have to shine light on a problem to see it fully. The light of day will do that, as long as all the cockroaches are contained.
Elizabelle
LOL. Courage at the FTF NY Times. They have just removed “Isolated and Unnerved” from their headline. But it was there, I promise you.
Baud
@Mandalay: All I said is that there will be a lawsuit so let’s wait until we have all the facts. There’s no reason to rush to judgment on this question. He’s not exercising government powers anymore.
MisterForkbeard
@T S: The problem is that you’re willing to believe and spread this kind of nonsense without checking in on it first, and you’re kind of defensive about it.
Saying “I’m a voter, not a party operator!” is weak tea. When you post and share something, you’re responsible for your own actions and the consequences. You failed here, because you were too willing to believe that the Dems are terrible and were eager to share that. Maybe it came from a good place (you want public pressure to correct their behavior), but it’s still a bad action.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Cheryl from Maryland: Love that song, used to hear it every Sunday Night on Doctor Demento.
Marcopolo
@Kay: Yep, from reading Josh Marshall on Trump for the past three years (shit, it’s been that long) I’ve always thought it would be illegal activities related to his businesses that would come back to bite Trump in the ass. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mueller comes out with a finding that Trump obstructed justice, that as president he can’t indict Trump, and that the R’s in congress go ho hum. But if we find the backbone of Trump’s business success is built on criminal activity—that I think would be more serious. Also too, Javanka & Eric & Don Jr have as much skin in the game re Cohen as Don Sr. Cohen’s activities for Trump Org involves all of them.
Immanentize
@Marcopolo: Armitage would have outed her in a hot second.
Ruckus
@MisterForkbeard:
Isn’t the point of a democracy that we all have at least some agency in running the place? Sure we don’t do the day to day details but we hire the people that do. The point is that none of us remain blameless about what happens in our country. It’s like the death penalty. I don’t want to be a party to the killing of people as a punishment (among other reasons), so I’m against the death penalty and work to get people elected who share my point of view. Not everyone does share that view and I have to accept that. But I can also work to change their minds.
Throwing up my hands and declaring that there is nothing that can be done is defeatist. And useless.
IOW we are all party operators, being just a voter is minimal participation at best.
Mnemosyne
@T S:
Skeptical voters helped elect Trump, because they decided their skepticism about Hillary was more important than keeping Trump out of office.
So, congratulations — your “skepticism” empowers Republicans to do whatever they want, because they know that you will spend so much time being “skeptical” of your own side that you’ll never get around to driving Republicans out of office.
T S
@Marcopolo: In all seriousness, I spent a little time trying to find it. I think it was nbc news and it was mostly about the GOP dithering about a law to protect the SC, and at the end, after a bunch of quotes from Feinstein and Grassley going back and forth, some (D- ) said something to the effect of it may be unconstitutional.
I really can’t find the article now…there are so many floating around about this stuff…but if you want to go full pie, I made it this far without ever talking to you, I can make it for the rest of eternity.
MisterForkbeard
@Mnemosyne: Also, they decided that their skepticism didn’t apply to Trump for whatever reason.
In that case, “Skepticism” is more of less cover for “I’m misogynist” or “I’ve bought into propaganda” or “I was going to vote Republican anyway”. Not saying TS is that, but a LOT of people pretend to skepticism when they’re really just being assholes.
TenguPhule
@jl: That was the fake one about Clinton. I’m talking a real one with Republicans.
T S
@Schlemazel: No, I want a progressive party. Oh, we’re getting a ton of fucking lip service about being for the safety net, against Trump, against his violation of “norms,” …but if they get a majority again, we’ll be right back to bipartisanship, entitlement reform, and neoliberal compromise.
“Stupid fucking voters” may be true…but smart fucking strategists don’t need that excuse for losing.
And no…for the last time: I am not a berniebro. Was Hillz all the way.
Mnemosyne
@T S:
Dude. It’s 2018, not 2003. Your inability to let go of the events of 15 YEARS AGO is becoming embarrassing.
The Democrats have evolved and moved on in the last 15 years. You should probably do the same.
J R in WV
@T S:
Well, now I’m going to insult you biggly! Trump is NOT on the ballot this fall. Anyone who doesn’t know this is most probably not an American, certainly isn’t an American who works as a volunteer for political candidates.
You ARE a troll, and probably a paid troll, living and working in St Petersburg, RU… now, that’s just a guess. You could just be a dumbass living in Iowa or even California. But you aren’t just an interested party chatting with others on a blog.
Nope. No one here thinks Trump is on the ballot this fall. No one is a real commenter.
You are a troll, the only question is whether you’re being paid by a foreign power. Are you a traitor, or just a stupid or evil racist? We’ll probably never know… because….
From here on out, you’re going to be an expert on PIE!!! G’bye mate!
Chyron HR
@T S:
Dude, if people call you a “troll”, take it. The only alternative is that you have severe brain damage.
T S
@Baud: @BC in Illinois: It doesn’t matter. I’m still voting D. However, you know, don’t disengage from every voter who isn’t a Party true believer. We need their votes.
Chyron HR
In summary, the POTUS is having a public mental breakdown and FOR SOME TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL REASON someone named “T S” really, really wants to change the subject.
T S
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: I feel very informed. I recognize that “anonymous sources” aren’t always accurate. Was well aware it could be a bit subject to the game of telephone or the rumor mill. Didn’t take it to the bank. However, it fits well with D behavior for the past 15 years in the face of an opposing party that is against the foundations of democracy: milquetoast disapproval, and attempts to reach across the aisle. Under Trump, they have been more aggressive, but I still worry about them falling off the wagon. When I read it, I was dismayed because I figured, yeah, probably true. However, Warner has clarified his position and said “no cooling off period.” Okay, I’m still skeptical. I think there probably was a meeting where he recommended temperance. Yeah, I know they can’t impeach and convict in Congress with their numbers, but rhetoric, while mere rhetoric, CAN be powerful, and I wanted them to come out swinging with fire and, uh, fury.
We’ll wait and see. This is an existential crisis coming for the country, and I’m sorry if I’m just a bit on edge.
FlipYrWhig
Yeah, stop fucking doing that.
T S
@Chyron HR: Well I didn’t write that, okay? Attributing to me a false quote…that’s not trolling, that’s just being an a-hole.
The only thing remotely close to that I wrote is a semi-sarcastic insinuation that there are probably a lot of people here who are professionally involved with the party. Is that incorrect? I don’t find those people a problem or bad, but I do recognize that they tend to be more defensive of the Party itself, rather than about ideology.
Anyway, again, that’s a real dick move with the false quote there. You should switch parties. That’s more their style.
Omnes Omnibus
@T S: Humorless, panicky, and whiny is no way to go through life, son.
T S
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Which is why I’m voting for them. Always. It’s funny, all I’ve done really is say, the Dems aren’t as strong as I’d like, and that worries me in face of a party led by a monster who cares nothing for temperance or fair play….and that makes you mad. It’s a valid complaint though. Republicans are sneaky, unprincipled, aggressive, and belligerent…we could drop the unprincipled part and practice some of the rest.
To me, operator is not a bad word either…to me, it encompasses all professional party people, strategists, managers, what have you. I don’t think they are bad or crooked, I just think they get defensive when their party isn’t praised. I would actually like to hear from some of them, but they certainly don’t want to hear that they might not totally “get it” themselves.
T S
@Omnes Omnibus: Mostly, I’ve expressed some skepticism toward the effectiveness of a party that lost an election to Donald Trump and people get really nasty (yeah yeah, I know Russia, etc…but it shouldn’t have been close enough for those things to matter). So, yeah, the most humorous thing I’ve actually read on here is YOU calling ME humorless.
You KNOW even if Warner didn’t say “cooling off” he recommended temperance and you know the response to our next Saturday Night Massacre is going to be tepid, at best. Not that it matters…our only hope is to vote them out…hoping that the D’s aren’t tepid when they actually have power. We’ll see.
T S
@MisterForkbeard: I’m using prior examples of tepid D response to a party hellbent on destroying all progressive accomplishments of the 20th century, not just this article. I still think they are probably counseling tepidity, and that’s what we will get. Maybe he didn’t say “cooling off period,” but I bet it was something to that effect. I don’t take these anonymous sources to the bank…but really, I doubt the National Journal sources are completely offbase. I’m afraid it was something along those lines.
T S
@MisterForkbeard: Yes, I take full responsibility for posting a link to the National Journal. Eye roll. It’s not infowars, you know.
Just One More Canuck
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: can we nominate people to serve as examples to the rest of them?
J R in WV
@opiejeanne:
“Gonorrhea is another matter altogether and I don’t remember the treatment or how easy/difficult treatment was.”
The Clap (aka gonorrhea) was easier to treat and less harmful than syphilis was. But now antibiotic resistent gonorrhea has evolved, and if you get that, you got that, it can’t be cured.
Syphilis can and does cause dementia, after years of untreated infection. At first it causes sores that don’t hurt much and take a long time to go away, then it’s asymptomatic for 2 or 3 decades, then you go mad. Like Trump?!
IANAD so don’t rely on this information, it’s what I recall from class in boot camp and high school, plus the new and improved anti-biotic resistant diseases in the news.
J R in WV
@T S:
Pie man, how do you like your pie? Hot or cold? A la Mode? That’s all you can talk about now!!!