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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Dolt 45 / Mike Pompeo Visited Kim Jong Un Over Easter Weekend

Mike Pompeo Visited Kim Jong Un Over Easter Weekend

by Cheryl Rofer|  April 17, 20188:54 pm| 70 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Foreign Affairs, General Stupidity, Technically True but Collectively Nonsense

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The Washington Post reports that CIA Director Mike Pompeo met with Kim Jong Un over Easter weekend in preparation for Donald Trump’s visit. Trump dropped a hint earlier this afternoon when he said that talks had taken place at a high level. Trump’s meeting seems to be planned for early June, but Trump did his usual “Who knows?”

The sources were “two people with direct knowledge of the trip.” That probably means they’re in the administration. A number of senators are declaring that they will vote No on Pompeo’s nomination for Secretary of State. They include Corey Booker (D-NJ), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Tim Kaine (D-VA), Ed Markey (D-MA), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Chris Murphy (D-CT), Rand Paul (R-KY), Bernie Sanders (whatever-VT), Brian Schatz (D-HI), Tina Smith (D-MN), Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), Tom Udall (D-NM), Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), and Ron Wyden (D-OR).

So the question is whether this was leaked to help assure Pompeo’s approval by the Senate. Can’t take the guy out if he’s in the middle of this important negotiation, right?

Many people are concerned that Trump will give up too much just to have a deal. He seems not to understand that when Kim Jong Un talks about denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, he means that the US military will be out. The way the administration uses that word, it means that Kim will give up all his nukes.

But it looks like Trump is taking some advice. There’s an interpreter behind him in the photo. And Trump doesn’t look at all pleased. We can still wonder if Pompeo took along an interpreter and a note-taker, or if he just figured he’d use the North Korean ones.

 

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  1. 1.

    TenguPhule

    April 17, 2018 at 8:58 pm

    He seems not to understand that when Kim Jong Un talks about denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, he means that the US military will be out.

    Seems?

    Pretty sure we can cross off any possibility of doubt when it comes to Trump. And his supporters.

  2. 2.

    TenguPhule

    April 17, 2018 at 8:58 pm

    There’s an interpreter behind him in the photo.

    Is that a State dept employee or the Japanese government’s one?

  3. 3.

    Cheryl Rofer

    April 17, 2018 at 9:01 pm

    @TenguPhule: I would expect, given the customary arrangement of chairs, that the interpreter is from the US State Department.

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    April 17, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    ????
    For the entire story

  5. 5.

    Ocotillo

    April 17, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    Off topic and the jackals have probably already mentioned this in an earlier thread but I have been away from the intertubes this week. Judge Kimba Woods in the Cohen case was one of two AG nominees by Bill Clinton caught up in “Nannygate”. Why aren’t the howler monkeys of the Right Wing media screaming about her? I know she is a Reagan appointee but did not hear anything about Nannygate and could have sworn her and Zoe Baird were caught up in that and checked the Google.

  6. 6.

    NotMax

    April 17, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    “Kim Jong Un is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

  7. 7.

    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues

    April 17, 2018 at 9:08 pm

    Question for folks from Ohio: is it worthwhile pressuring Brown on this, or will a no vote make his reelection more difficult?

  8. 8.

    Baud

    April 17, 2018 at 9:11 pm

    On Today, they actually reported that Trump was essentially giving Kim the legitimacy he craves. I’m not to worried about a deal. I’m more worried about what happens if Trump stops trying to play deal maker with NK.

  9. 9.

    Mandalay

    April 17, 2018 at 9:12 pm

    Rand Paul may be a preening peacock, but he was devastating at skewering Pompeo at his nomination hearing.

    Notwithstanding all the deferential press Pompeo has received for months, Paul showed Pompeo to be a complete lightweight, with foreign policy beliefs at odds with those of Trump. This was great:

    PAUL: Do you think the Iraq war was a mistake?
    POMPEO: Senator, I was running a machine shop in Kansas at the time so I don’t have a contemporaneous view that I expressed.

    Pompeo is a dangerous doofus.

  10. 10.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 17, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    A bit O/T, but with reference to the photo above, and so many other pictures we’ve seen of Trump:

    Can we just once and for all stop calling those lengths of knotted fabric “ties” and call them instead what they are, which is “crotch-ticklers”?

  11. 11.

    Cheryl Rofer

    April 17, 2018 at 9:14 pm

    @Baud: Yeah, there’s a lot that can go wrong. Giving Kim the meeting puts him in the league of nuclear weapons states, which is one of the things he’s wanted.

  12. 12.

    tobie

    April 17, 2018 at 9:15 pm

    @Ocotillo: I think the right wing is more worked up about the fact that she officiated at George Soros’ wedding.

  13. 13.

    tobie

    April 17, 2018 at 9:17 pm

    @Mandalay: I missed that exchange. What an absurd response.

  14. 14.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 17, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    Do we have to have that photo of the current President above the fold?

  15. 15.

    Lapassionara

    April 17, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    Amateur night at the highest levels of our government.

  16. 16.

    The Dangerman

    April 17, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    Maybe Trump should give Kim Stormy’s number.

  17. 17.

    efgoldman

    April 17, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    it looks like Trump is taking some advice.

    The rapture is nigh

  18. 18.

    Humdog

    April 17, 2018 at 9:26 pm

    @tobie: The Soros’s thing is true? I’d seen a headline but thought it was bull. What an odd happenstance!

  19. 19.

    Mary G

    April 17, 2018 at 9:26 pm

    You won't believe what Obama says in this video ? pic.twitter.com/n2KloCdF2G— BuzzFeed (@BuzzFeed) April 17, 2018

    Click through and watch. You won’t be sorry.

  20. 20.

    Villago Delenda Est

    April 17, 2018 at 9:26 pm

    Pompeo essentially acting as SecState before being confirmed?

    This is a slap in the face of the Senate. If those who have not announced “fuck no!” do not join in, and asswipe is confirmed, the Senate has abrogated one of its black letter responsibilities under the Constitution.

  21. 21.

    Mandalay

    April 17, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    @tobie: Right – it was close to certain that someone was going to ask him that question at the hearing.

    I’m not sure what is worse: that Pompeo was unable to provide a clear answer to a reasonable and highly relevant question, or that he had actually rehearsed that response, and thought it was clever.

  22. 22.

    efgoldman

    April 17, 2018 at 9:30 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Can we just once and for all stop calling those lengths of knotted fabric “ties”

    Can we just once and for all ignore Weasel Face’s sartorial choices?
    They’re ugly, he’s ugly, there can’t be more than a thousand other things which really matter.

  23. 23.

    TenguPhule

    April 17, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    @Baud:

    I’m more worried about what happens if Trump stops trying to play deal maker with NK.

    Or when Kim pants him in public by doing more nuclear tests.

  24. 24.

    TenguPhule

    April 17, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    the Senate has abrogated one of its black letter responsibilities under the Constitution.

    At this point what difference does it make? //

  25. 25.

    Schlemazel

    April 17, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    Hang on a second. Dump sent the head of the CIA to negotiate with the representatives of a hostile nation? Did I get that right? WT-ever lovin-F

  26. 26.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 17, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    @Mary G: “Stay woke, bitches.”

  27. 27.

    TenguPhule

    April 17, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    @Schlemazel:

    Dump sent the head of the CIA to negotiate with the representatives of a hostile nation? Did I get that right?

    Yes, before any Senate confirmation for head of State Dept.

    And this is not even the most shocking thing to happen this week.

  28. 28.

    Doug R

    April 17, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    @Schlemazel: Yeah, It’s “The Interview”!

  29. 29.

    Lizzy L

    April 17, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    DiFi has come out strongly against Pompeo for SecState.

    From The Hill:

    “I sense a certain disdain for diplomacy in Mike Pompeo that I believe disqualifies him from being our next senior diplomat,” Feinstein said in a press release. “I urge President Trump to nominate someone capable of proudly representing all of America in the pursuit of peace.” Feinstein said that she was concerned about Pompeo’s past statements about Muslims and the LGBT community and thinks that the secretary of State should be “committed to diplomacy and view war as a last resort.” She attacked Pompeo for his opposition to multilateral negotiations with Iran that later led to the Iran nuclear deal, which Pompeo said he “looked forward to rolling back.”

  30. 30.

    Mnemosyne

    April 17, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    @Mary G:

    I was like, Wait, there’s something weird about the way he looks. And sounds. Glad to know I was right.

  31. 31.

    Villago Delenda Est

    April 17, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    @Ocotillo: There have been some mewlings about how Wood presided at George Soros’ wedding or some similar nonsense, so the howler monkeys have not forgotten.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    April 17, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    @Mary G: That was awesome.

  33. 33.

    Mary G

    April 17, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    Didn’t the head of the FSB, and a couple of other big Russian spies visit Pompeo earlier this year? Yes (WaPo).

    He certainly is free and open to this country’s enemies, isn’t he?

  34. 34.

    NotMax

    April 17, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    While he was in the neighborhood, did he stop by to check in with his Chinese partners?

  35. 35.

    Mnemosyne

    April 17, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    @Schlemazel:

    If Senate Republicans had any sense of self-respect, they would refuse to confirm Pompeo just because of that alone.

    But, of course, they don’t.

  36. 36.

    tobie

    April 17, 2018 at 9:43 pm

    @Humdog: I don’t if it’s true but it’s what the rightwing is screaming about right now because Soros is the rightwing’s favorite bogeyman.

  37. 37.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 17, 2018 at 9:44 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Look up “supine” in the dictionary.

  38. 38.

    Mandalay

    April 17, 2018 at 9:44 pm

    @Mary G: The technology behind that from Adobe is both incredible and terrifying:
    Phase 1: Given about 20 minutes of someone’s speech, you can type any text and audio of the text can be generated using that person’s voice (as shown in the linked video).
    Phase 2: Given enough video samples, fake video can also be generated of the person speaking the fake audio.

    It’s akin to photoshopping an image, but using audio and video instead. Fake news is in its infancy.

  39. 39.

    tobie

    April 17, 2018 at 9:45 pm

    @Mary G: I wanted to tear my hair out as every media pundit said Pompeo was a Russia hawk. Bullshit. He’s been minimizing their influence on the election since the day he was sworn in as CIA Director. Gawd knows what he discussed or negotiated with NK.

  40. 40.

    Brachiator

    April 17, 2018 at 9:46 pm

    @Baud:

    On Today, they actually reported that Trump was essentially giving Kim the legitimacy he craves.

    That cuts both ways. Trump craves legitimacy as well and is desperate to show that all world leaders think that Trump is the greatest US president in history.

  41. 41.

    chopper

    April 17, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    @Mandalay:

    so 15 years ago he was so ignorant as to not even have an opinion on the Iraq war, the biggest foreign policy decision of the last generation, and now he wants to be secretary of state.

  42. 42.

    efgoldman

    April 17, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    @Brachiator:

    is desperate to show that all world leaders think that Trump is the greatest US president in history.

    He is, after about 44 others

  43. 43.

    NotMax

    April 17, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    @Brachiator

    that Trump is the greatest US president in history

    Are you intimating he’s not?

    (Nym added to list, IP address noted.)

    :)

  44. 44.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 17, 2018 at 9:53 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Fake news is in its infancy.

    No, fake news is buying a round for the house, as it came of age some time ago. I have on my shelf this book, published over a quarter-century ago.

  45. 45.

    Mandalay

    April 17, 2018 at 9:55 pm

    @chopper: Pretty much. I guess from Trump’s perspective an SoS without opinions is a wonderful thing.

  46. 46.

    jl

    April 17, 2018 at 9:57 pm

    I guess everyone around Trump is constantly badgering him to take some damn competent advice on North Korea, or he get a bunch of people killed. Maybe even Javanka and Melania and Barron (Is there a WH dog or cat? Throw that in too). That would be hell for him. Trump looks like a little boy who has been told to eat his spinach, or no more ice cream for him, ever again.

  47. 47.

    Brachiator

    April 17, 2018 at 10:09 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Pompeo essentially acting as SecState before being confirmed?

    This is a slap in the face of the Senate.

    These Republicans love to get slapped by Trump. Their mission seems to be to defer to Trump in all things, and to deliver the country to right wing oligarchs, and they will not let a little thing like their Constitutional duty hold them back.

  48. 48.

    sukabi

    April 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm

    So one of Cambridge Analytical’s people is spilling the beans to Parliament.

    She’s saying more than the reported 87 million facebook user’s data taken…lots of interesting info in link above.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 17, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: @Schlemazel: @TenguPhule: It is not uncommon for some high level backchannels to be conducted by heads of our various intel organizations. Usually it is the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), so this is not really out of bounds. Often it is done to keep everything completely compartmented and to protect the Secretary of State and the State Department. If I understand the timelines correctly from reporting over the past 6 weeks, Pompeo, as DCI, was working the backchannel while Tillerson was still Secretary of State.

  50. 50.

    efgoldman

    April 17, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: In a real administration, sure. Remember what maladministration we’re talking about. Fuckup is the default.

  51. 51.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 17, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    The larger issue is going to be that if Moon negotiates a bilateral agreement with Kim, then the US becomes irrelevant.

  52. 52.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 17, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    @efgoldman: I’m very aware.

  53. 53.

    Lyrebird

    April 17, 2018 at 10:33 pm

    @efgoldman: Hear, hear.

  54. 54.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    April 17, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: One of the many things that Trump doesn’t understand is that there’s a sizable portion of the South Korean populous that would like the US to leave yesterday.

  55. 55.

    Shalimar

    April 17, 2018 at 10:42 pm

    Great. Another picture of Needs-A-Nap Trump.

    As for Pompeo, better him negotiating for us than John Bolton, though we are probably fucked regardless of which clown Trump chooses to kick out of the car first.

  56. 56.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 17, 2018 at 10:48 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Yep. But it goes beyond that. Moon’s parents were refugees from the DPRK. So he’s first generation in his family in the ROK. Almost everyone in the ROK, as you know better than I do, has relatives still in the DPRK. And the pull of family is strong. If Moon can negotiate a bilateral agreement with Kim, then the need for 28,000 US troops and several thousand civilian personnel to be in the ROK to serve as a tripwire and a warning to the DPRK goes away. And, of course, two of Kim’s major strategic goals are the removal of the US military presence from the ROK leading to a reunification of the peninsula. Of course the next strategic goal is that reunification places the entire peninsula under Kim rule, which I don’t think the ROK is going to go for.

  57. 57.

    janut

    April 17, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    Let’s play [email protected]NotMax:

  58. 58.

    mainmata

    April 17, 2018 at 11:04 pm

    I might be wrong but it looks like there’s another person directly behind Trump and hidden almost completely by the scowling monstrosity. Either that or Trump has four legs. Hard to tell, though.

    I think it’s safe to say that no one in the Trump Administration trusts him in the slightest to make rational policy so he ends up being massaged and sand-bagged until he gets bored and distracted by some new shiny scandal. That’s all we ever have to look forward to in this Administration.

  59. 59.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 17, 2018 at 11:09 pm

    @mainmata: Correct. That’s the translator/note taker that Cheryl was referring to in the post.

  60. 60.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 17, 2018 at 11:11 pm

    @mainmata: Yeah, that person is the interpreter.

  61. 61.

    Cheryl Rofer

    April 17, 2018 at 11:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Interpreter, interpreter, interpreter. And simultaneous interpreters, which this one probably is, are in no position to take notes. Simultaneous interpretation takes every brain cell and a little more.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 17, 2018 at 11:40 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I know what they are. I’ve filled that role and took notes while I was at it. And used dozens of them as well in Iraq. But the term is offensive because of how it was applied to the Iraqis and Afghans we used over the past 17 and 15 years respectively. So I either use translator or linguist. This time I used translator.

  63. 63.

    Cheryl Rofer

    April 18, 2018 at 12:06 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I fell in love with interpreters when I went to the UN as a kid and sat in the galleries to listen to meetings. There was a little box with a knob that provided the five different languages. Eventually I figured out that those people in the booths to my left were providing those languages and was amazed that they were doing it in real time. I’ve worked with professional interpreters. They usually work in teams of two, putting in a half-hour or so each because the work is such a strain. I’ve also worked with people who know both languages but aren’t professionals. They were helpful, but they were doing something different than that fellow sitting behind Donald Trump. I don’t know where you fall on that spectrum. From my minimal competence in languages, I can understand the mindset and concentration needed for simultaneous interpretation, but I can’t do it. I also know I couldn’t do it and also take notes, which requires a different sort of concentration. Yes, on the fly people do both, but not in formal settings.

    Nor do I know what you find offensive about it. The rest of the world refers to them as interpreters, with translators being the folks who work with written material. Linguists study languages.

  64. 64.

    burnspbesq

    April 18, 2018 at 12:09 am

    It’s nice that Paul handed Pompeo his ass. If his next trick is to hand Haspel over to the International Criminal Court, I’ll be more impressed.

  65. 65.

    burnspbesq

    April 18, 2018 at 12:13 am

    Yes, I know that the United States is not a party to the Rome Statute, so it’s not happening. But I’d like to hear a United States Senator tell her to her face that that’s where she belongs.

  66. 66.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 18, 2018 at 12:15 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: I did it because I had no choice. The native speaker didn’t make it onto any of the trucks. So I wound up having to pick up the slack between an Assistant Secretary of State and an Iraqi tank commander.

    In Iraq and Afghanistan interpreters get called terps. It isn’t usually a term of endearment. And they knew it. Which often made it difficult to get them to not be passive-aggressive in the jobs they were doing. So I would refer to them as translators and linguists, which weren’t easy to turn into snarkily spoken slang and made into a term of derision.

  67. 67.

    Citizen Alan

    April 18, 2018 at 2:35 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You can’t see a way to turn the word linguist into a term of derision? You must not be very cunning then.

  68. 68.

    Gvg

    April 18, 2018 at 5:53 am

    @Adam L Silverman: are you saying our troops were deriding the interpetors? How did that happen? It seems a self defeating attitude.
    It really bugs me that we betrayed those who helped us by not evacuating them out. They should have had citizenship if they wanted it. We gave in to the xenophobia and the results will hurt us in future conflicts. Also it stuns me that we are deporting veterans who aren’t American born. Loco.

  69. 69.

    Cheryl Rofer

    April 18, 2018 at 8:00 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I won’t bug you any more about your usage, but I make the distinction because of my respect for their skill.

    And I agree that we’ve done a whole less than we should have for people who helped us there.

  70. 70.

    feckless

    April 18, 2018 at 11:23 am

    “Bernie Sanders (whatever-VT)”

    2016 was 2 years ago.

    Let.
    It.
    Go.

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