Date 12 of the European Tour: They still haven't noticed. pic.twitter.com/2MOPrpskaV
— Paul Bronks (@BoringEnormous) April 13, 2018
There’s a joke going back at least as far as Anthony Trollope about liberals “so determined to be tolerant they won’t defend even their own arguments.” Once-and-hopefully-Future Speaker Pelosi is *not* of that genre…
If you had told me a year ago that @SpeakerRyan would still be refusing to stand up to @realDonaldTrump & protect the rule of law today, I don’t think I would have believed you. How low will the President have to go for them to act? #ProtectOurDemocracy https://t.co/jAWQ9GiVMd
— Nancy Pelosi (@NancyPelosi) May 9, 2018
And she’s not alone, as some more-progressive-than-thou primary candidates just found out…
.@maryaliceparks: "It was not a good night for the Bernie Sanders wing…those progressive insurgent candidates didn't do so well." https://t.co/l281KOC5V5 pic.twitter.com/u3ORyGObTg
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) May 9, 2018
There is no Bernie wing of the Democratic Party. You may as well say it wasn't a good night for Cosplay Socialist Fairy Tales. https://t.co/YNvuZAEljr
— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) May 9, 2018
Kucinich losing by 40 pts sends pretty clear signal: Dem voters want serious candidates bc these are serious times https://t.co/WwHZop5sup
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) May 9, 2018
Not good news for Baud! 2020!
Can someone explain the first tweet? Seems perfectly normal.
Bonjour, les copains! First cloudy – almost chilly – day in Paris in almost two weeks.
Started the day off reading the article about the black female Yalie who fell asleep in the common area of her dorm, only to be awakened by New Haven cops demanding to see her ID. I was happy to find out that if only she had just shown her ID, none of this would have happened. Also, they are there for security. How would the student who called the cops or the cops have known if she wasn’t resting up before a shooting spree? Or she was exhausted after looting New Haven?
In the trump era, we are all entitled to let the racism fly. Comments, actions, that at one time would be kept to oneself are now freely and proudly shared.
Gme1. Giving final exams today. Preparing for Mother’s Day weekend.
The question going through my mind right now is: was Pence smart enough to keep clear of the mud? Because I seem to recall many of his colleagues in government at various levels didn’t think highly of his intellect.
If we get the Blue Wave this November, if there’s a solid case of bribery (Article 2, Section 4, guys), if Pence was stupid enough to be involved with that or the Article-3-Section-3 stuff … hell, there’s an outside chance that the 2016 election may result in the country’s first woman President after all.
@Bruce K: Pence worked on the transition with Mike Flynn. Yup, he’s involved in the muck.
Listening to excerpts from Trump’s statement at Andrews. He is extremely diplomatic and complementary of the released hostages, saying over and over what great people they are and how happy they are to be in America (note that he does not say “again”; they might as well be newcomers here for the first time). He basically treated them like emissaries from an allied government.
What the racist demagogue notably didn’t do in the parts MSNBC is replaying is refer to these non-white guys as Americans. It’s like in his mind no matter how much he has to compliment them, they still don’t deserve to be here.
@JPL: And Penice lied repeatedly about what he knew.
@Bruce K: I wonder if any of the current backlash against Pelosi becoming Speaker again is to make sure that remote chance doesn’t happen.
Good Morning Everyone ???
Up to his eyeballs in the Flynn mess
Was head of the transition
Was Manafort’s chiuce
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Kucinich wasn’t a progressive.
He voted against Dodd-Frank
He voted against Cap and Trade
He was against ACA until a revolt occurred in his district.
He voted against stem cell research
He spent most of his career opposing women’s reproductive rights.
Awoken at 4:15AM by my sister-in-law, because my stepmom, traveling with her, can’t remember the passcode to her phone. I said she’d have to contact my stepbrother, as he’s the one who set up Mom’s phone. I also suggested if it’s not an emergency, she might want to wait a few hours. Since it was 4:15 AM.
And somehow, I managed to say all that without resorting to profanity, which is what I desperately wanted to do.
@rikyrah: Good morning.
Baud!/Impeachment Insurance 2020
Why So Serious, America?
It could just work.
Oh, also, racist Duke U bigwig is racist:
This same guy has, of course, objected to the removal of Confederate statues and to students objecting to hate speech on campus.
Ugh. What a tool. I really want this story to get more media attention.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
I refuse to get excited over Christian missionaries who were knowingly spreading their Christian bullshit in a place where they weren’t supposed to be doing it getting released. I have as much affection for them doing that as I do about Otto Warmbier going into a “no go” zone to steal a propaganda poster.
Go to a foreign place, follow their rules. If they don’t want you spreading your contradictory bullshit about cheap mercy and an instant excuse for hypocrisy for powerful white dudes all in the name of a deity who never sacrificed jack shit for anybody, then you take the consequences if you claim to want to join the mythical martyrs.
Josh Marshall and his new theory
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Totally impressed by your restraint.
@Nicole: If I get a phone call at that time I always answer with something along the lines of “Somebody better be dying and my blood and only my blood can save them or the motherfucker on the other end of this line is going to need more than a transfusion when I’m done with them.”
For some reason or other all I ever hear is “click”. Not sure why.
@rikyrah: Good morning ?!
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: THIS x 11ty. I try to be tolerant of religious people, but missionaries bug me. Especially the evangelical ones who tie any charity work they do to the recipients being subjected to proselytizing first or concurrently.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
There’s no getting back to sleep on that call. Your adrenaline is on high because 4:15 am, PLUS, you’re pissed off.
Asshole. I was going to offer my services to Nicole to respond (in her stead) in just such a manner. (Although your phrasing is somewhat more betterer than mine would be.) Now you’ve given it away for free. Now I gotta rip up my business plan.
Also: reading your prose, I was reminded of a bit by Cedric the Entertainer — “I wish a motherfucker would!”
An interesting but infuriating reddit thread about seeing the light about Republicans.
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Hadn’t realized that the prisoner release was a dogwhistle to the evangelicals. Makes sense now.
Meh. I’m not fond of it either, but I don’t think it should be criminal, here or anywhere else.
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Wow. Didn’t know all that about Kuc. Never cared for him because he always struck me as a weird dude who’s not very serious. Glad he lost. Perhaps he can go back to being a commenter on a Conservative news channel.
The Simp in the Suit
The talking heads on my talking picture box are telling me that Iran attacked Israel, shooting a couple of missiles at them. Israel then fired back. Any reason to believe this was the sequence?
@The Simp in the Suit: Yes. Israel attacked Iran in Syria right after Trump withdrew from the deal. Iran then attacks back, and then Israel retaliates.
This is mainstream dogma on the Right now- that all consumer financial transactions can be regulated solely by more “consumer education” – putting the entire burden on individuals to 1. figure out that they’re getting robbed and 2. do something about it, as individuals. No one is clear what they’re supposed to do about it, however, because this theory includes no mechanism or process to get their money back or punish anyone who took it.
The idea is consumers are morons who deserve to be robbed and cheated if they’re dumb enough to borrow from these companies and they should be punished by getting ripped of. That’ll learn ’em.
It’s particularly brutal in terms of student loans because the people who get hurt the most are first generation college students- poor people who are trying not to be poor- because they don’t have family or friends who are familiar with borrowing tens of thousands of dollars so rely completely on the lender. They’re also often 18 years old and it’s impossible to discharge a student loan. You can’t get rid of it in bankruptcy and it’s not like a house or a car- you can’t return the car or abandon the house and get out from under a student loan. You’re stuck with it for life.
It’s just gross. The level of greed involved in these mid-career wealthy people in the Trump Administration robbing low income 18 year olds is just repulsive. What next? Knocking 12 year olds over and taking their lunch money?
Dr Mahathir arrived late this afternoon at Istana Negara, the National Palace where resides His Majesty the Agung, to be sworn in as PM. (The outgoing sore loser Najib Tun Razak had claimed that Dr M couldn’t be sworn in because no single party or coalition had a majority; Pakatan Harapan wasn’t formally recognised as a coalition by the Election Commission, for technical reasons, and therefore did not count as a single entity for tallying seat totals in Parliament. Legal experts, including a retired Federal Court judge, have called bullshit on Najib’s argument.)
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
The irony/bogusness of this is that Americans held prisoner in Iran will now have no chance of getting out, thanks to Trump. They must not be useful-enough props.
I just don’t answer. Period.
I can’t stop laughing:
He’s all up in their heads now.
Very short-sighted. Impoverished graduates still have the power of the vote.
@debbie: Oh screw that. Call me at 3:15 in the AM, waking me up when I already have enough trouble sleeping, raising my blood pressure and pissing me off? Damn right somebody is gonna hear about it.
Remember when Bobby Jindal mocked volcano monitoring?
I turn off my ringer. Problem solved.
I see the “vote for us because FUCK YOU” campaign among the Democratic Party is still going strong.
@debbie: But they are all working 3 part time jobs putting in 12 hrs a day working and commuting and don’t have enough time to eat lunch much less vote.
This is a great “political” piece to me because it explains something that is true, but has been forgotten. There was a whole genre of urban “ethnic” politicians like this in Ohio (and I imagine all over the country). They relied on a kind of tribal support that had to do the make-up of cities at that time- the lower classes were white European immigrants. They pandered to those specific groups and it was zero sum. If “Irish” or “black” were getting something that meant that other groups were being ignored- Kucinich referred to them as “the forgotten people” – just like Trump:
The “establishment” Kucinich was ranting about here at that time were AA city leaders, who were “taking” power from his people. That this was all forgotten and he was able to reinvent himself as some kind of uber progressive when really he was an old-school ethnic pol who wasn’t averse to playing one group of Democrats against the other is really disturbing. The author of the piece talks about how national media adopted this myth about Kucinich (because they didn’t know shit about what actually happened in Cleveland) and how that worked for him locally, inside Ohio.
Kucinich had to reinvent himself because his base assimilated and moved to the suburbs and often were no longer Democrats. They disappeared.
An example of an “ethnic” Democratic pol who DIDN’T do this shape-changing, and prospered, is Marcy Kaptur. She managed to expand her base from urban working class white Catholics without pretending to be a completely different person. She came from exactly the same tradition as Kucinich but she took the high road and (ironically) actually beat Kucinich in a Dem primary that was conducted partly among voters from HIS home city- Cleveland. So it can be done.
Or, impoverished graduates will conclude (rightly) that the game is rigged and they shouldn’t bother trying. That’s what scares me more than anything- that people will give up- because it’s not irrational to give up when we;ve set this up so it is fucking impossible to get ahead. It didn’t use to be this hard. I went to undergraduate basically free. I think I spent 1500 dollars of my own money.
@Shalimar: Trump’s milking this for all it’s worth — the released detainees were Christians caught evangelizing, which is of course illegal in DPRK. So this is getting a lot of play with the CBN crowd and Trump’s people are making sure he burnishes his image as the Great White Hope of Oppressed Evangelicals Everywhere.
Sharks love jazz but are stumped by classical, say scientists
Hmmm…. If I listen to classical music do you think trump and his cronies will stat away?
TS (the original)
Relative of mine did that – I was the No 2 person on the “who to call list”. Guess who got the 3am call.
@Baud: iPhone allows you to select who you set your phone specific times not take calls and make exceptions for those you might want to give access.
@Matt: FWIW, Anne Laurie is great, but she’s not the Democratic Party. If you’re looking for an excuse to run away from the fight against fascism, look elsewhere.
@raven: Android too. I have that set.
Really tough read. Everyone should.
@germy: Rachel covered that last night. I don’t think the death has anything to do with Trump or Cohen.
Next to Pruitt, Mulvaney has to be the most fucking corrupt toady that Trump stuck in there to dismantle good government. He’s straight-up admitted that he’s at the beck-and-call of whatever lobbyists pay to play. Trump’s overweening stupidity on the world stage is bad enough — it’s people like Mulvaney who are really doing the damage, though. And they know it and brag about it.
@Baud: I simply can’t keep up anymore.
@debbie: And how does one find the time to go to the county courthouse and get an absentee ballot?
O. Felix Culpa
@Kay: What’s next? Stealing health insurance from poor children. There is no bottom for these people.
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: With North Korea being so closed off, some of the only glimpses of life there that we get are from places like PUST. Consider reading “Without You, There Is No Us.” It is by someone who worked at PUST for a semester mostly to write a book.
On November 8, 2016, you decided that you would rather have nazi plutocrats destroy the country than vote for a Democrat.
The inescapable conclusion is that there is NO set of circumstances under which you would vote for a Democrat.
Therefore the idea that the Democratic party should be “nice” to you and Your Revolution is laughable. At best.
O. Felix Culpa
@debbie: Absentee? It costs well over a dollar in postage to mail in an absentee ballot in my county. Who has that kind of postage hanging around? So yet another barrier against voting for cash- and time-strapped youngs (and others).
@Matt: Projecting, aren’t ya, mate?
@Amir Khalid: tumbrels for the lot… as well as for their voters
Good morning news!!
Welcome to the world, the newest member of my immediate family..my newest nephew… Congratulations to my youngest sis Jessica and her husband!!
7 lbs 8.6 oz.
Born 3:35 am.
@Kay: I first encountered ethnic divisions among urban whites when I moved to Boston for a few years after college. It seems to be a Northern phenomenon. I was really surprised by it.
Congrats, auntie! And squee.
@lamh36: Awwwww! What a sweet baby! Most babies look kinda squashy when they’re brand new, but he looks like an angel!
@Kay: It sure describes Chicago.
It’s really interesting in Toledo (now) because the “ethnics” who remained Democrats had to adjust- they had to adopt a “big tent” approach or they would be extinct as political players. There simply aren’t enough of them to run the show.
But- it wasn’t real progressive back in the day and Kucinich exploited that. I don’t think we should romanticize the urban white working class, who are different than rural white working class but had their own narrowness and tribalism. They progressed, but kicking and screaming all the way. Kaptur has been able to do something really interesting with religion- she is Catholic and that is part of her “brand” – but she’s been able to take that in a nice direction, where she spends a lot of time defending the rights of Toledo-area Muslims. IMO that’s how religion should be integrated into politics- as a reality for tons of people but one that can be tolerant and inclusive. Part of it she’s just really fucking smart so that doesn’t hurt :)
O. Felix Culpa
@raven: And Philadelphia.
I have to decide today (self imposed deadline) of I will volunteer for county lead for Cordray. It’s really manageable- there are only 8k Democratic voters in this county AND I will get the job because no one else wants it! :)
I don’t know if I can bear losing again. It makes me unhappy and I like to be happy :)
@lamh36: So cute!
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
“I’d like to think that the last thing that went through his head, other than that bullet, was to wonder how the hell Andy Dufresne ever got the best of him.”
I wasn’t so lucky. I borrowed $8,000 and even with a low payment some brief employment gaps made it impossible to keep up. Plus, when I was paying, it was interest only, so the $8,000 never got smaller. I defaulted. The bill doubled, because there’s a penalty and the interest accumulates to your bill, so now you owe more. I was eventually able to pay it off in full, because I finally got a good paying job (even though my credit was ruined – lucky there) that allowed me to pay it down quickly. I was 46 effing years old. It’s a horrible system that almost seems designed to keep people in poverty.
ETA – It should be illegal to check people’s credit for employment. Period.
@O. Felix Culpa: 2 Street!
@Waynski: I’m 68 and just now got my student loans under 10k!
The cherry on the cake with most of those missionaries is that the countries they go to are already Christan, so they’re not even “spreading Jesus word,” just trying to convince people to switch churches.
At least missionaries in North Korea don’t have that…
@Kay: @raven: @O. Felix Culpa: And STL.
I still say the federal government should nationalize all student debt and then just forgive it – it won’t be any less a waste of money than the Pentagon, and it’ll free up a lot of money to actually go into the economy instead of disappearing in a black hole.
@Betty Cracker: I grew up near Binghamton, New York which was an industrial manfacturing city (shoes, GAF, IBM). The towns were mostly divided up: the Irish in Binghamton with the wealthy WASPs, the Czechs, Slovaks and Polish in Johnson City and S. Bingo (Polish Heaven), the Italians in Endicott.
More important, as all the immigrant workers were Catholic, was your parish, not your town. St. Anthony’s — Italians, St. Ann’s — Slovaks, St. John’s — Irish.
That was also true in the whole Boston area — where you from? Was answered with “St. Rafe’s or St. Joe’s” as often as the actual town
I think younger Lefty Democrats have romanticized this and because we’re talking about “urban” – and northern– whites they believe tribalism and racism didn’t play a huge role, and it really did.
Trump isn’t a one-off. When Trump was coming up exploiting these divisions was part of the playbook. It isn’t just hillbilly whites or southern whites. It was all northern cities. It comes up again and again in Ohio, this history, because AA’s remember it. Kucinich moved to California in the 1980’s and put all that behind him but it happened and it comes back up every election as far as urban Democratic pols who are older than 60- what it was really about.
Just One More Canuck
@raven: @Waynski: I read stories like this and thank FSM for how lucky I was to have parents as supportive as they were, and to grow up in a city with a good university. I was able to live at home and have a part time job while doing my undergraduate degree. It wasn’t until I went to do an MBA that I had to take out any loans at all, and that was very manageable.
@Nicole: While I think this guy was out of line and generally comported himself as a doofus in this matter, your characterization of his article about confederate statues really distorts what he said. Basically, he wants them gone but he doesn’t want them being torn down. Personally, I don’t care whether they are torn down as such, but I really despise mob action of all kinds and we all should because it is associated with some of the most abhorrent events in our history.
I think what happened is some version of the following: he called whoever it is at Duke who is responsible for contracting with the coffee shop, probably some kind of dining services division, and that person called the business office of the coffee shop, and somehow along the way one of them told the coffee shop or the coffee shop maintains that it was told to fire these two baristas. It wouldn’t surprise me if everyone in this story is lying in some way, except for the baristas, who seem to have a pretty straightforward and consistent explanation. It’s a local chain and Duke is probably a plum customer so I can totally imagine them doing whatever they were told or what they thought they needed to do. But still, scapegoating the baristas here is really and truly outrageous and unfair.
@Shalimar: Since I believe that even DPRK has the right to make their own laws, and if you are visiting their country you must follow their laws, and because I am not particularly sympathetic to Christian missionaries, no matter how willing they are to suffer for their beliefs (maybe because they seem to demand to suffer for their beliefs) I object to referring to the released prisoners as “released hostages.” They were not being held hostage. They were convicted criminals.
@lamh36: congratulations & happy birthday ? !
@Kay: And some of those old guys are still in power. And some of the new Turks — like Tim Ryan from Ohio who wants Pelosi to just walk away because reasons — are still living that dream. “Dago red wine” and all.
That is why I am a bit suspicious of the Iron Stash guy from Wisconsin — very attractive as a union dude in Paul Ryan’s district, but what lurks beneath that aspect of his identity?
I ended up going to the coast, I took a picture.
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I mean yes and no. Mad Tom Paine came to the US to spread Common Sense and was successful here. He then threw his lot in with the Girondins in France and nearly lost his head. His principles were the same, they were good ones, but he was in effect propagandizing.
The carpenters union in Toledo went from being basically all-white to a real Latino presence- so much so that Latinos are running parts of it. There’s HUGE resentment. “Democratic” doesn’t mean “liberal”, in urban areas or rural areas.
The saving grace for Democrats is that they recognize it among themselves, within the family, but since younger people don’t know this history they make mistakes regarding pols like Kucinich. So we should talk about it. Tell them.
@lamh36: Congrats, auntie.
It’s interetsing because there’s two distinct groups- those who (in my view) admit the genesis- what happened- and adjust- become more “big tent” and those who don’t and thus never adjust. The people who adjust are more practical, not more tolerant or “better”. They know the white working class alone can’t win elections anymore, so they had to change. They were forced to adjust.
@Kay: The whole Reagan Democrat movement was about “ethnic” Catholics finally admitting their discomfort with civil rights and possibly not being able to “protect their own” through patronage hiring practices in both private and public service. As much as we owe to unions, union organizers and activists of today are far different from those of 50 years ago, who often protected the positions of people they identified with to the exclusion of others, and especially African Americans.
I don’t remember all the details of Kucinich’s crazy tenure as the mayor of Cleveland, though I do remember the bankruptcy. I just know that he hewed closely to the views of “his” people, which were usually on the wrong side of gender issues as far as I was concerned. This is a complete deal breaker for me and I think Democrats who yearn for a platform that espouses some of his positions need to understand that people like me are not going to go for candidates who are willing to sell out women and minorities in order to achieve, for instance, a higher minimum wage. Maybe in the 1930s that was a price that had to be paid to get Social Security but I don’t think that’s true now.
How many nieces and nephews does that make now?
I am waiting for great-nieces and nephews. Just a few years now, I think …
@Immanentize: After at least a year of following your comments about Tim Ryan, I finally think I understand where you are coming from.
So all along I have been in agreement with you if only I had understood your point.
@Matt: Remember this was a Republican blog, way back in the day. I started reading somewhere around when John turned Democrat. It went very aggressively for Obama, kind of doubled down into Clintonland, isn’t the youngest crowd (myself included). I think the demographic here closely parallels who’s in power in Washington, but Balloon Juice is not an outreach program. It’s a really good window into power in a whole bunch of ways (Adam, David Anderson) and it’s up to you whether you buy into what’s represented there.
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Otto Warmbier didn’t deserve to die over taking a poster. God only knows what they did to him that got him into a coma that lead to him dying at what’s 21 or 22.
20 year old boys do stupid shit all the time. It should get them some punishment, but not a death sentence.
@Baud: I have my phone on sleep mode from 10pm to 7am. So I get no texts, emails or any other alerts then.
TS (the original)
@lamh36: wonderful wee lad – so much love
@Chris Johnson: I don’t think majority of commenters and FPers, here right now, are or were Republicans. This blog tends towards being more pragmatic than ideological.
What if they don’t graduate? No college has a 100% graduation rate.
Also, I think the calculation is poor people just don’t turn out to vote anywhere near their numbers, so they can be safely ignored. And so far the math holds up.
Major Major Major Major
What a great opportunity to share a Clickhole (Onion subsidiary) article I saw yesterday! A classic send-up of the genre.
Excuse Me, Mr. Trump, Sir, But, Respectfully, Dr. Trump, Mind You, Captain President, Sir, And There’s Nothing You Can Do About It, Good Professor!
@Baud: sorry, had to get to the market. WE don’t believe it should be illegal, but PRK isn’t our country. I’d like no totalitarian regimes anywhere. And a unicorn.
Given that there’s no love lost between Trump and America’s performing-arts community, you can play any kind of music at all, and the Trumpenvolk will stay away.
@lamh36: OMG, he’s GORGEOUS! Welcome to the little fellow and congratulations to your family.
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: If we can get angry over the injustice of someone who spends months in jail after being unable to come up with bail for a completely non-violent offense — even though this is totally provided by the law — we can get upset about the injustice of someone being sentenced to 15 years in jail for stealing a poster. Especially since it is clear that NK uses people like Warmbier as pawns to try to achieve strategic goals. It was unjust. Not worth going to war over, but unjust.
Still no news about Cohen/Vekselberg, Novartis, AT&T, etc on Fox News dot com. Imagine that.
But her emails!!!
The one quibble that I have to make here is that being willing to adjust in these circumstance is the “better” choice, even if the people themselves are no better. Also, my cynical nature aside, I like to think that those who adjusted in the long run will become better people due to the choice of working with other groups.
@raven: Paid mine off last year at age 67. And that obly happened because I did 2 years with VISTA after retiring which took the amount down some.
Well, who they gonna vote for? You know who put that provision in the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005? Kindly, lovable Uncle Joe Biden. That’s hoe a lot of people now see the Democratic Party. Sure, Elizabeth Warren managed to get the Consumer Protection Agency through, against bipartisan opposition, but it’s being dismantled now. What are they gonna remember, but brutal debt peonage that endures or the blessed relief that has evaporated?
So sweet. So cute. Good luck to you, your sister and her husband and young Joshua David.
I don’t think the voters forgot, Kay. I think they remembered it all.
@Procopius: You are tiresome. Maybe the young should just emigrate. To MagicLand.
Major Major Major Major
@Procopius: I’m having a hard time following.
@rikyrah: Its the political media that has amnesia towards racism, misogyny and xenophobia, the D primary voters remembered and Kucinich got a drubbing.
ETA: Either that or they just don’t care, or are race baiting, misogynist xenophobes themselves. They love T and before that loved Reagan. To the political media elite, this is all a game that they cover for plebes like us.
It’s not an either/or, you dope.
@Major Major Major Major: Its hard to master a second/third language as you well know.
@Major Major Major Major: I see that I missed wishing you a happy birthday yesterday. Happy day-after your birthday!
@lamh36: Beautiful little baby!
@Betty Cracker: It was a huge issue in Chicago for decades (and may still be). Cross a street, or the L-tracks, and the neighborhood changes dramatically. The racial/ethnic games that Kay talked about Dennis playing in Chicago was official policy there, also too. Dying the river green every St. Patty’s day, etc., etc.
I like to think that we’re moving beyond that, but it’s happening too slowly.
Comey’s</strike) Donnie's victory is an obvious setback.
The Moar You Know
@gene108: When I was a kid, I used to go over the border with my family into Mexico. And a bit later, went over as a young teenager (14) with my scout troop.
It was explained to me very thoroughly that we were not in America, we basically had zero rights, and that if we wanted to fuck around and do stupid shit, not to go. Because that could get us jailed or killed. I took them all at their word, which ended up saving my ass when it was on the wrong end of an AK-47 down there. At age 14. I did no stupid shit and got to come home with a neat story.
A 20 year old is an adult, not a boy, not a child. I agree that fucking around shouldn’t merit a death sentence in America (although it does here too, depending on your skin color), but it defies any kind of sense at all to think that you could go to the world’s most totalitarian country and decide to grab some souvenir posters off a wall in an area you’ve been told is a no-go zone and not pay a heavy, horrible price.
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@The Moar You Know: I feel pretty much the same way. When you visit not just a foreign country, but an oppressive slave state and existential enemy, you kinda need to… not steal posters.
@lamh36: Congrats to you and your family on the new addition! They are so sweet when they are sleeping.
This was pretty much the ethos of Trump University.
The dopes who voted for Trump kept saying that they wanted a man who would run the country like a business.
And now, they are getting the business.
@Baud: Baud! 2020! Won’t even get the call at 3AM because his phone is turned off!
10/10 would vote for
@Barbara: Respectfully disagree. This loser has been remarkable big on defending racist speech on campus:
If you read his statement, he talks about how “disappointing” he finds the student’s use of racist language, but says it’s not in violation of Duke’s policies. So, the student is “disappointing” but doesn’t face consequences, but a barista who was unfortunate enough to be working when a song he didn’t like came on the Spotify playlist (which she had no control over) gets fired, even though she shut it off as soon as he complained. Because bad words are only “disappointing” when they come from white mouths. But bad words sung by a black artist in a coffee shop is deserving of punishment. He even used the “think of the children” excuse. Duke’s problem is not trap music in a coffee shop.
And if you really think the demand to fire didn’t come from Duke, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The man got on the phone right after he left the coffee shop to complain. Come. On.
@The Moar You Know:
Who explained this to you? A US government official who knew something about the actual laws of Mexico?
Obviously, college students and tourists have been going to Mexico for decades, often specifically to do stupid shit, and come back unharmed and happy. Yeah, people should be cautious and respectful, but catastrophic situations are rare, even for idiots.
We have a State Department which tries to get our people back when they are detained, for whatever reason. Even when people do something that is obviously and inarguably dumb.
When Michael Fay was sentenced to a caning for vandalism in Singapore, righteous Americans criticized Bill Clinton for trying to intervene and even wrote letters to the Singapore government applauding the idea that the punk would get what he deserved, even if it left him physically scarred.
And in paranoid, arbitrary regimes like North Korea, anything and everything you do could be considered a crime against the state. You cannot always know when something you do will be considered an offense.
@Nicole: I have no doubt he complained about the employees. I don’t think he was the one on the phone with the coffee shop management. So the game of telephone obscures exactly who said what to whom and leaves it open to interpretation. He overreacted but then, so did the other people in the chain. I am not disagreeing with you on the overall tone and tenor of the incident, and what it conveys about Duke. I am an alumni and you don’t have to tell me about how differently people of color are treated or were treated when I was there, at least by university police. An employee who puts on a Spotify play list that she selected but did not create is held responsible for vulgar lyrics while other people are not held responsible for their own racist language. Not defending him, at all, but saying you are overreaching in your interpretation of the facts as known. It never pays to do that.
Abso effing lutely
@Waynski: It will be a potentially huge windfall to financial institutions, but I guess that’s still better than hitting people over the head with ongoing liability for interest, penalties, etc. The way to do it would be to pass legislation stating that the government would pay 100% of the principal as of day X, which will cut off all future efforts to collect interest from any borrower.
The demographic of this blog is middle-aged, liberal folk. Sounds like a big stretch to say that posters here represent the movers and shakers in DC. If that were the case, what a great country we would be. Proud defenders of the social contract holding any and every office of significance.
J R in WV
I don’t know where you got your mistaken impression that the incident at Yale university would not have happened had she merely shown her id. She did that, used her room key to unlock her door, none of that stopped the harassment.
“We get to decide who’s allowed here” the senior LEO said to her.
@J R in WV:
I read his comment as being full of snark.
Also, I guess I am going to have to look at the story. The whole thing sounds insane. I wonder why New Haven cops were involved at all. There are, or used to be, campus police.
@Immanentize: He’s a cancer survivor who advocates for some sort of universal coverage and has been very anti the privatized prison pipeline. Follow him on Twitter, he’s saying the things most of us agree with. These aren’t new positions for him.
@J R in WV: @Brachiator: Yeah, that comment was full of snark. But sometimes there’s so much crazy that it’s easy to believe someone might actually say all of that sincerely. Even if doing so makes them a total piece of shit racist idiot.
That’s an interesting idea, but what would stop people from just waiting until day X, if I’m following you correctly? Public universities should be free ( or very low cost) to anyone who qualifies. Spending so much on the military without educating our people keeps us stupid, dangerous and in hock up to our necks.
I assume that was meant to read “who’s in power in Washington in the Democratic Party.” Although even then I’m pretty sure the average Balloon Juicer is a good deal more liberal than the average Democratic politician. We’re just realistic enough to grok that expecting them to bring about the United Federation of Planets during their first two years in office is completely nuts no matter what their personal politics, because that’s not how this country works.
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Otto Warmbier never touched that poster. The “evidence” was a long distance silhouette video, and a confession under torture wherein this Jewish man said he stole the poster for his church.
Ella in New Mexico
@The Moar You Know: And yet, is it possible to say that it was completely naive and foolish for 20 year old to pretty much have even thought of goin to N Korea in the first place AND still not demean his religious beliefs and degrade his essential human value by stating he deserved what happened to him under a that despotic regime? Or do we all just reserve that for the “right” kinds of martyrs?
Ella in New Mexico
@TTT: pitiful. Having had the terrible opportunity of being assigned the care for the once young and healthy and vigorous bodies of 20 year old or two, now permanently brain-damaged and on a ventilator, it is a truly tragic thing. There they are, looking on the outside as beautiful and healthy and fit as a horse, meanwhile they will never again be able to hike in the mountains with their friends, discover their true passions and gifts in life, see the day where they graduate from college, buy their first car, marry their sweet heart, bounce their baby on their knee. It is simply the hardest assignment I can ever get in the ICU to care for a young adult who did a stupid thing to lead to the fact he or she will never wake up. None deserve it.
We’re never going to get the votes of people who think that the Democratic Party should rebrand itself as the Democratic Socialist Party. And particularly not the people who are willing to see Republicans win if they think it will force such a rebranding. Much better, in my opinion, to focus on increasing turnout among the nominally Democratic voters who stay home because they listen to morons who say there’s no difference between the parties.
@J R in WV:
Pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part.
I was for Cordray before I was against Kucinich, and I leaned towards Sutton before Cordray entered, so, win win. But I’ve been voting in/around Cleveland for ~15 years, and I never really knew about this aspect of Kucinich’s history; when he was still in congress, I just saw him as the ineffective but mostly harmless rep from the next district over. I’m filing the Scene article away with his more recent nonsense just in case he’s not gone for good.
Funny thing, we’re in need of a human sacrifice to appease our upset Goddess.
Jindai should do nicely.
Pretty Sure the NRA advertising isn’t there just to be pretty. //
You’re not very familiar with our current financial institutions, are you?
I guarantee that once the federal government pays out, those loan holders will immediately resell the remaining portions of debt to collection agencies for them to do what they do best.
@TenguPhule: What would be remaining if the principal is paid in full?
@lamh36: Welcome, Joshua David! A long, healthy, happy life to you, you sweet little boy with an ADORABLE chin!