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Saturday Morning Open Thread: A Wedding

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Seems like a good day to post this:

Since Aug. 12, 2017, Marcus Martin has lost anonymity, a close friend and, at times, his coping skills.

Mr. Martin’s red-and-white footwear will be more familiar to many than his name. He is the subject of a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph, taken by Ryan M. Kelly, in Charlottesville, Va., during the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by white nationalists protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. In the photo, Mr. Martin is midair, spread-eagle with his back parallel to the hot Virginia asphalt, after being struck by a Dodge Charger driven by James Alex Fields, who would later be charged with second-degree murder…

… On Jan. 31, 2017, he showed up, sweaty, at Miller Law Group with a twinkling diamond ring he bought for her at a Kay Jewelers. As proposals go, there have been smoother.

“I’ll never forget the way he was acting,” Ms. Blair said. “He was so nervous, he was sweating bullets.” As Mr. Martin got down on one knee, he didn’t notice a colleague of Ms. Blair’s, standing by the door waiting for a legal file.

Mr. Martin let his rehearsed words rip: “He was like, ‘You know I love you, right? You are everything to me. I don’t want to go another day calling you my girlfriend. Will you marry me?’”

Ms. Blair took a deep breath. “I made him step outside my office and do it all over again,” she said. This time without her colleague in the doorway. Mr. Martin’s second attempt was perfect, and she immediately said yes.

Mr. Martin had his reasons for proposing at the office. They included Courtney Commander and Heather Heyer, who also worked at the firm and were among the couple’s closest friends. Several months after the foursome celebrated Mr. Martin and Ms. Blair’s engagement, Ms. Commander, the most politically active of the group, would recruit the couple and Ms. Heyer to join her as counterprotesters at the Aug. 12 rally.

“Everybody felt strongly about what was going on,” said Ms. Commander. “Marissa and Marcus said they wanted to be there, but I wasn’t sure they would come.” Mr. Martin, still on parole and working a new job as a landscaper, told her he wanted to steer clear of trouble. She knew Ms. Blair wouldn’t come without him. But when Ms. Commander attended a July 8 march of the Ku Klux Klan in Charlottesville and sent Ms. Blair, Mr. Martin and Ms. Heyer video of the awful goings-on, they were inspired to join her in her next counterprotest.

Ms. Blair and Mr. Martin remember the early part of the rally on that Saturday afternoon as peaceful and almost enjoyable. Until 1:41 p.m. The violence, and Mr. Martin’s protective shove, “came out of nowhere,” Ms. Blair said…

On the afternoon of May 12, on the sprawling lawn of Walden Hall, an estate in Reva, Va., Mr. Martin and Ms. Blair were married under blue skies before 150 friends and family. Ms. Blair’s seven attendants included her brother Adrian Lombre. Her brother Dasan Hunt walked her down the grassy aisle to an altar draped in purple wisteria. The bridesmaids, including her maid of honor, Ms. Commander, wore long dresses in shades of lavender. Mr. Martin’s five groomsmen and best woman, Whitley Jones, wore dark suits with purple accents. The color scheme was in honor of Ms. Heyer’s favorite color…

It truly seems to have been a lovely event, in every sense. Much more detail at the link, for those who want a heartwarming story.

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  1. 1.

    NotMax

    For those with Netflix.

    Cannot give it a wholehearted recommendation; if subtitles are not a negative, check out No Second Chance (a href=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZsGQRUNOtE””>trailer). While it veered off in directions didn’t particularly appreciate, there was enough there to warrant sticking around to see where it ended up when it got to it destination. Also included a heartless, cold-blooded villainess one won’t soon forget.

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    Le sigh. Fixed.

    For those with Netflix.

    Cannot give it a wholehearted recommendation,b ut if subtitles are not a negative, check out No Second Chance (a href=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZsGQRUNOtE”>trailer). While it veered off in directions didn’t particularly appreciate, there was enough there to warrant sticking around to see where it ended up when it got to it destination. Also included a heartless, cold-blooded villainess one won’t soon forget.

  3. 3.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et Al.)

    I hate colds. I want to be asleep right now so much.

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    O(h gawd. Guess ought to head to bed. 3rd tuimes the charm.

    For those with Netflix.

    Cannot give it a wholehearted recommendation; if subtitles are not a negative, check out No Second Chance (trailer). While it veered off in directions didn’t particularly appreciate, there was enough there to warrant sticking around to see where it ended up when it got to it destination. Also included a heartless, cold-blooded villainess one won’t soon forget.

    (No edit function. Sorry about the mishmash.)

  5. 5.

    Betty Cracker

    Okay, I’ll fess up: I am watching BBC coverage of the royal wedding. Hadn’t planned on it, but here I am. The Fergie spawn are wearing understated hats. I am disappoint!

  6. 6.

    Gin & Tonic

    Up since oh-dark-thirty because my body is still on European time. Oh well, this will pass.

  11. 11.

    Elizabelle

    @Betty Cracker: LOL. You beat me to it. Could be dentists’ children from Middlesex.

    Beatrix and Eugenie are immediately recognizable, though, with those eyes.

    Watching BBC too. Ladies on MSNBC a bit too chatty and infotainmnenty.

    Elton John is there too, in rose colored glasses …

  12. 12.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    I wonder if Serena and Oprah coordinated their outfits? Both looking stunning in pink.

  16. 16.

    Elizabelle

    Harry!! And William!

    And they have a beautiful day in the UK. Wish the horsies in Baltimore could have a sunny day too.

  23. 23.

    Elizabelle

    BBC mentioned Meghan is a meritocrat. Got there through a lot of work and study; always worked …. quite the contrast with the groom’s mother, no?, for whom youth and virginity were the main requirements. Thank dog the royals have gotten past that …

  27. 27.

    Raven

    I’ve got it on my iPad at the bakery. I really dislike Stephanie Rhule but at least they are not showing her ridiculous hand waving!

  28. 28.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    So an amusing thing happened yesterday – OzarkHillbilly should appreciate this.

    I was walking past a busy construction site on a low-rise after lunch with a friend on the eastern fringes of downtown. A member of the construction crew was sitting in the door of an open van doing some work. He wore a pair of goggles, long thick pants and good boots as he was going about his business (safety first!).

    As he sat, he was running an awkward angle cut on a 2X4 with a full size reciprocating saw while using his knees as a sawhorse and one elbow to hold it in place. The blade was about 3 inches from his right thigh.

    I fairly ran to my car so I wouldn’t distract him by my cringing and shock into making a life-threatening mistake.

  31. 31.

    p.a.

    Count on me to lower the tone of conversation, but did MM have ‘the exam’, or is that just for the P of Wale’s chosen, or did that embarrassment stop after Diana?

  48. 48.

    Brachiator

    @p.a.:

    Count on me to lower the tone of conversation, but did MM have ‘the exam’, or is that just for the P of Wale’s chosen, or did that embarrassment stop after Diana?

    She was previously married.

    ETA. My insomnia kicked in. I may have to watch some of this wedding. Saw the photos of some of the celebrities. Very cool. Too bad that the Obamas, as political figures, could not get an invite.

  58. 58.

    MomSense

    My ancestors are surely shaking angry fists at me for watching and enjoying this royal wedding.

  65. 65.

    eclare

    After we saw Harry at age 12 walking behind Princess Diana’s procession, it’s nice to be happy for him. Looks like he is crying a bit.

  67. 67.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    Ms. Meghan Markle’s wedding dress has been designed by Clare Waight Keller. The full veil represents the distinctive flora of each of the 53 Commonwealth countries, united in one spectacular floral composition.

  69. 69.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Sawzalls can do horrific damage. Always securely clamp down the piece being cut (if it is small), and hold the saw with both hands (whenever possible, if not possible rethink the job, maybe there is a safer way). Lessons learned the hard way.

  78. 78.

    Quinerly

    @OzarkHillbilly: I used to watch this kind of stuff with my mom. Kinda fun to have someone to share it with. I’m at my mom’s old beach place. We watched Diana’s wedding here so many years ago.
    Poco has no interest.

  81. 81.

    NotMax

    @Litlebritdifrnt

    Just because, the Commonwealth of Nations.

    Antigua and Barbuda
    Australia
    Bangladesh
    Barbados
    Belize
    Botswana
    Brunei
    Cameroon
    Canada
    Dominica
    Fiji
    Ghana
    Grenada
    Grenadines
    Guyana
    India
    Jamaica
    Kenya
    Kiribati
    Lesotho
    Malawi
    Malaysia
    Malta
    Mauritius
    Mozambique
    Namibia
    Nauru
    New Zealand
    Nigeria
    Pakistan
    Papua New Guinea
    Republic of Cyprus
    Rwanda
    Samoa
    Seychelles
    Sierra Leone
    Singapore
    Solomon Islands
    South Africa
    Sri Lanka
    St Christopher and Nevis
    St Lucia
    St Vincent and the
    Swaziland
    The Bahamas
    Tonga
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Tuvalu
    Uganda
    United Kingdom
    United Republic of Tanzania
    Vanuatu
    Zambia
    Zimbabwe

    Source

  90. 90.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Baud: Dawg, that’s a hoot! I had to bookmark it. Can’t count the times I have seen stupid shit like that. Participated in a few too.

  94. 94.

    geg6

    I had no plans to watch this wedding but with my dvr hard drive being fried, I am forced to watch. Gotta say, love that they are having “Stand By Me” as one of their songs for the ceremony.

  95. 95.

    NotMax

    @Quinerly

    Poco has no interest.

    Obviously a hound of discernment and wisdom.

    (Personally would rather repeatedly shove bamboo splinters in the eyes than so much as glimpse a second of it, but understand and accept that YMMV.)

  98. 98.

    tobie

    @JPL: I agree. I watched while making my morning coffee. When he got to talking about fire, I turned off the TV.

  114. 114.

    Elizabelle

    This has been the most unstuffy wedding for royals, ever.

    And is that James Corden there as guest?

  116. 116.

    Quinerly

    @rikyrah: I’m so glad I watched this. Actually, your comments put it on my radar yesterday. Really hadn’t been following the lead up. Thank you.

  121. 121.

    Elizabelle

    Kiri te Kanawa sang at Chas and Diana’s wedding. Love this young cellist getting the spotlight.

  123. 123.

    arrieve

    I came for the hats, I stayed for the music. Harry seemed to tear up a few times and that made me feel a definite lump in the throat. All in all, there are much worse ways to spend a Saturday morning.

  129. 129.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    Ruh Roh Megan is singing God Save Our Queen, that’ll get the wingnuts frothing.

  137. 137.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Meanwhile, in the real world, 2018 has been deadlier for schoolchildren than service members

    The figures for 2018 do not suggest schools are more dangerous than combat zones. After all, there are more than 50 million students in public elementary and high schools and only about 1.3 million members of the armed forces. So far in 2018, a member of the military has been about 40 times as likely to be killed as someone is to die in a school shooting, including Keller’s revised figures.

    That said, it is still the case that 2018 is shaping up to be unusually deadly at schools. Comparing the number of deaths and the number of shooting incidents this year directly with those through May 18 of 2017, that difference is stark.

    But as James Joyner said at Outside the Beltway:

    The 2018 data is skewed because of how deadly the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting was. And, of course, the number of military deaths is down because we’ve steadily wound down our footprint in Afghanistan. But the fact that an activity that should be incredibly safe is comparable to one so inherently dangerous is nonetheless tragic.

  138. 138.

    debbie

    @rikyrah:

    I thought I’d watch for a minute and it turned into an hour!

    Beautiful dress on Meghan, hideous hat on Camilla. Neither was unexpected.

  144. 144.

    Quinerly

    @Baud: It was been a release for me. I’m in a puddle of tears. This past week has been very dark. I was losing hope.

  153. 153.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Omnes Omnibus: I have not uttered one complaint about people blathering on about the “wedding”. The closest I have come is commenting on my disbelief at how people feel the need to say something about apparently every little thing. Quinerly explained that people like to share these moments and that made sense. That said, this is my reaction to all this wedding talk: Picture.

    As to my being a wet blanket for wanting to have something else to talk about in addition to the wedding, it is an Open Thread, is it not?

  157. 157.

    Elizabelle

    Fuck the fucking Trumps. Otherwise, Barack and Michelle could have attended too. But maybe not. Theresa May also kinda toxic, but nowhere as egregious.

  161. 161.

    geg6

    I can’t take Stephanie Ruhle and Katy Tur. I don’t like them normally but they are especially obnoxious today. They are making it all about them. Ugh.

  164. 164.

    Elizabelle

    Bbc. Long shot of young mixed race girl holding a program w Meghan on the cover.

  166. 166.

    Immanentize

    @OzarkHillbilly: every thread is an open thread — I thought that was the rule.

    As for your original comment — the data is not “skewed” at all. That is the data. If there had been a big IED attack in Syria, the data would have been different. I am very glad military deaths are down, but James Joyner is really emphasizing the point by trying to rationalize it.

  167. 167.

    debbie

    She’s getting dizzy with all the head turning. Just wave with both hands, Meghan!

  168. 168.

    Tazj

    @debbie: Same here, I thought I’d only watch for a little while but what a beautiful ceremony. Meghan looked gorgeous of course, and the music was wonderful. I’m glad they have such a beautiful day.

  171. 171.

    MomSense

    I’m loving the horses. About 16 years ago I made up a story about a modern, unconventional princess. It’s probably a good time to get it on paper.

  172. 172.

    debbie

    @Tazj:

    It helped that the church is smaller. I remember how long it took Diana to walk down the aisle.

  174. 174.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Immanentize:

    James Joyner is really emphasizing the point by trying to rationalize it.

    He’s not trying to rationalize it, he’s explaining the context, and in the process emphasizing it..

  176. 176.

    MomSense

    @geg6:

    Isn’t that the major problem with our media? They all tend to be superficial and narcissistic. I spent a lot of time around the HW Bush era White House press corpse and they were insufferable. They were like those kids in high school who aspire to sit at the cool kids’ table at lunch.

  180. 180.

    geg6

    @MomSense:

    Exactly. I really am despising them today when normally I just dislike them intensely. Why are they such stars on MSNBC? I don’t get it. So superficial and self-absorbed. Blech. They are ruining the whole thing for me because I can’t stop thinking about how much I hate them.

  181. 181.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @debbie: I thing the idea is that you don’t care any more about “supposed to.” How does that poem go about wearing purple and unsuitable hats?

    What I remember about the Charles and Di wedding was months later, in a handbell workshop, how the instructor couldn’t stop raving about the two hours of change ringing. Change ringing involves 8 people ringing 8 church bells, and doing these complicated choreographed swaps. The longer patterns take hours to complete. Ringing, and ringing, and ringing, and ringing, and…

  182. 182.

    Quinerly

    @Immanentize: When I saw Oprah’s dress on line, I thought it was quite lovely. The beading… and the shoes. Normally, I don’t care for pink. Now, I’m going to be controversial… I was not crazy about Meghan’s dress at first. It may be growing on me, though.

  183. 183.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    Nicholas Pegg on Twitter

    Not sure what, if anything, I was expecting of the royal wedding; but I certainly wasn’t expecting it to be a glorious, beautiful, happy, sustained exercise in sticking two fingers up at racism, sexism, Trump, Farage and Brexit before an audience of millions. Worth every penny.

  184. 184.

    Lapassionara

    So, I missed the procession. What music was played as she came down the aisle?

    Good morning, everyone.

  185. 185.

    Quinerly

    Tiara was lent to her by the Queen. Not a Spencer tiara as previously speculated.

  187. 187.

    Elizabelle

    21 degrees today. Diana’s was a beastly 24. Today is perfect. Weather in Fahrenheit?

  192. 192.

    Quinerly

    @debbie: I kinda feel like I’m babbling. I’m really enjoying sharing this with BJuicers, though. Poco just doesn’t seem interested ? and is pissed about no 6:30 beach walk.

  193. 193.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Elizabelle:
    21 C = 70 F
    24 C = 75 F

    Not a huge difference. I suppose 24 is “beastly” if you’re wearing a lot of layers under hot lights and you were raised by polar bears.

  194. 194.

    Sloane Ranger

    @debbie: Just over 2.5 miles according to the BBC.

    Loved it all, especially the modern world touches. The gospel choir was great and the sermon was the best I have ever heard. Very inspirational, it wasn’t too long as far as I am concerned.

  195. 195.

    geg6

    D R Tucker at WaMo needs to lighten up. Yes, the world and the country are totally fucked up. Things are very bad and we must keep our eyes on the prize. But people also need distraction from the awful and a little joy and happiness to get us through. Dude needs to chill.

  196. 196.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Baud:

    That link gave me anxiety.

    In school, I worked for a while at a beer distributorship, second shift. Operated a forklift offloading boxcars and handloading trucks. There were no hard hats, no goggles and beer would stack 4 pallets high (smomewhere between 16-20 feet). My first day there the owner knocked two pallets of bottles off the top of a stack – it took eight hours to clean up.

    Anyway, there was always beer on tap for employees (route drivers would bring back kegs which were about 15% full, and we had a tap system in place). You could drink as much as you wanted so long as you got your work done.

    I might have speared several pallets of cans when forgetting to lower my forks.

  197. 197.

    Quinerly

    Does anyone know who the very tall, very attractive woman in the ORANGE dress was and who designed the dress? Gorgeous dress.

  198. 198.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    @OzarkHillbilly: Just for a lark I compared the numbers of schoolchildren deaths with those of police officers for 2018, and found:

    “Gunfire 27
    Gunfire (Accidental) 1”

    I’m just wondering when all these Blue Lives Matter asshole businesses and citizens are gonna start showing some public support for the victims of school shootings…

  199. 199.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    BBC Three just trolled Twitler on twitter. Side by side shots of his inauguration and today’s crowds with a “just sayin'”
    LOL

  201. 201.

    Aleta

    Sheku Kanneh-Mason’s socks were also a highlight. And then the horses managed to outshine *almost* everyone. I dug the black and white floor completely. Karen Gibson ✨ ?

  202. 202.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: What I remember is Andrew and Fergie’s wedding–sort of–because I was actually there, in London, for unrelated reasons, but I napped through the whole thing with severe jet lag. I remember seeing a lot of guys out on the street hawking souvenirs.

  203. 203.

    Platonailedit

    @schrodingers_cat: The jackals are mostly rooting for the self-made bride, who is not a royalist. The changing face of royalty is something to cheer on and should be.

  204. 204.

    AliceBlue

    @schrodingers_cat:
    I think you’ll like this–there’s a pub in Derby that is fining any patron who mentions the royal wedding, with all proceeds going to a local charity.

    I haven’t watched any of it, but I clicked on a picture of the dress. My first thought was “huh, I liked my own dress better.”

  212. 212.

    geg6

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I am no fan, but distractions from the dystopian world we’re currently living in is a nice thing for some of us who need to de-stress. Plus, I am pretty taken with the bride. She’s lovely and I love how much diversity she and her prince inserted into the whole thing. I know how much you hate Brits and their awful history, but this is not a bad thing for them to be signaling.

  213. 213.

    germy

    I turned on my local PBS TV station this morning and they were in the middle of the royal wedding service. A Black woman was giving a sermon (this was right before the cello solo). Can anyone tell me who she is? A beautiful prayer about their love spreading out towards all disadvantaged people.

  215. 215.

    Platonailedit

    @schrodingers_cat: I don’t know if she is a favorite here or not, but today is about a very modern bride and her groom. We can all hate or love Elizabeth on another day.

  220. 220.

    D58826

    Old enough to remember that the foundations of the universe were shattered when the Queens’s sister dated an RAF officer and a commoner.

  221. 221.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    @germy: She is the Queen’s Chaplain I believe brb, I stand corrected “Honorary Chaplain to the Queen”.

  223. 223.

    mad citizen

    @geg6: “I can’t take Stephanie Ruhle and Katy Tur. I don’t like them normally but they are especially obnoxious today. They are making it all about them. Ugh.”

    Speaking of naricssist commentators, I’m hoping to watch online later the HBO Wedding version with Cord and Tish. I get HBO thru Amazon so couldn’t stream it (looks like I needed the HBO Go App, but I’m not big on using apps), but hope it’s available later.

  226. 226.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    @OzarkHillbilly: I hope someone starts trolling the “Pro-Life” crowd with tee shirts/bumper stickers that say things like:

    Choose Life: Repeal the 2nd Amendment
    Choose Life: Abolish the Police
    Choose Life: Expand the ACA/Medicaid for ALL
    Choose Life: Fight Climate Change
    Choose Life: Prosecute Hate Crimes
    Choose Life: Reinstate CHIP
    etc.

  228. 228.

    HeleninEire

    I watched. I love all the pomp. And the Brits do it the best. I ALWAYS watch their ceremonies. The only difference this time is that I didn’t have to get up at an ungodly hour to do so.

    I have only one complaint. I Love, love, love the dress. But it didn’t fit her. The waste should have been more pulled in and the boob part was buckling in. Now, I get it. A friend who is a wedding planner tells me that ALL brides lose weight. But when you are marrying a Prince and spending £200,000 on the dress you get the designer in the night before to refit it.

    But other than that, FABULOUS.

  230. 230.

    Feathers

    Leaving this here because it is probably the only royal wedding gossip the jackals will care about: Meghan’s rescue beagle, Guy, spotted riding the in the back seat with the Queen! The Queen and Guy

    If the Queen and Meghan are close enough that the Queen is looking after her dog while she is on her honeymoon, that’s a good sign. And apparently the corgis like Meghan more than they like Harry.

  232. 232.

    germy

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    I hope someone starts trolling the “Pro-Life” crowd with tee shirts/bumper stickers

    Knowing wingnuts like I do, I guarantee any vehicle with one of those bumper stickers would be vandalized almost immediately, if not run off the road.

    These are not nice people.

  234. 234.

    germy

    It’s not every day you get to marry a prince, and to have a whole side of your family showing their whole, entire ass to the whole, entire world and attempting to drag you down to their level cannot be easy to watch or tolerate.

    Then again, it is also amazing to me that she’s marrying into the whitest and messiest family of all time (check the history books and do a Google search before you @ me), after dealing with her own white relatives for 36 years. So maybe she doesn’t need that sympathy after all.

    Either which way, good luck, girl, and Godspeed. I wish you nothing but your happily ever after.

    https://www.theroot.com/meghan-markle-s-white-relatives-are-the-messiest-of-bit-1826108498

  237. 237.

    Aleta

    @Feathers: Decent of him to escort Elizabeth; these affairs are hard to bear without the company of a dog, and she’s not used to being on her own.

  238. 238.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    @germy: This pretty much summarizes the problem in our country. One side will use violence any time their feelings are hurt or someone dares to disagree with them.

  239. 239.

    germy

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    One side will use violence any time their feelings are hurt or someone dares to disagree with them.

    True.

    I find myself on the road behind vehicles with anti-Obama or pro-gun bumper stickers. I see the “I work hard to support people on welfare” sticker frequently. I’m disgusted every time, but I’d never actually act out.

    These people act out.

  241. 241.

    WaterGirl

    @Aleta: Of course there was some judgment implied, but it wasn’t a decree. It was a description of how SC views the response of a lot of BJ people to the royal wedding.

  243. 243.

    J R in WV

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Sawzalls are more accurately demolition devices rather than construction devices. We had a plumbing repair lately to replace a valve clogged with scale, and he used a Sawzall to remove the plumbing he was repairing.

    It was HARD to watch. Then he used a power clamp thing to put on squeeze-on fittings, done in no time. Except for putting the wall back together, which I did to save money. But I love mine, battery operated Milwaukee. ZAAP it is cut!

  245. 245.

    J R in WV

    @germy:

    We had an Obama bumper sticker on each vehicle from his first primary race until those vehicles were traded in on a new car or totally destroyed in a rollover crash. Twice we had negative reactions from other drivers in tens of thousands of miles. One was a typical biker in AZ who passed us on a rural highway and did a thumbs down as he got past, so actually relatively polite disapproval.

    The second time was in Ohio, we were in a VW on a driving long weekend trip on I-70. When we were passed by a Chrysler New Yorker a RWNJ in the back seat gave us the finger. All I could do not to sideswipe them with vigor. But I didn’t. Figures the guy wearing a suit was obscene and the biker was more polite.

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