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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Every Day Is Opposite Day

Every Day Is Opposite Day

by Betty Cracker|  May 21, 201811:22 am| 283 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Goddamned Traitors, Open Threads, Politics, Trump Crime Cartel, Trump-Russia, Assholes

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In the run up to the 2016 election, the FBI did indeed give one campaign special treatment: Its director, James Comey, publicly trashed Hillary Clinton at the conclusion of the bureau’s investigation into how Clinton handled emails as secretary of state and precipitously and needlessly revealed that the investigation had been reopened in the final days of the campaign. The FBI remained silent about the far more serious and substantial allegations that the Trump campaign had been infiltrated by figures acting on behalf of a hostile foreign power.

Now, the beneficiary of that special treatment is waging all-out war on the FBI and his own Department of Justice, which appears to be intimidated enough to roll over and piddle on its own belly.

During the 2016 campaign, candidate Trump loudly complained about corruption in Washington DC and endlessly invoked the specter of the “forgotten men and women” who were getting ripped off by elites.

Now, Trump has installed a breathtakingly corrupt cabinet and auctioned off U.S. foreign policy for the financial benefit of himself and his family members. A Trump-installed Supreme Court justice just wrote the majority opinion on a decision that allows companies to force workers into individual arbitration rather than pursuing class action lawsuits.

Some days, I think the Trump junta won’t get away with its many crimes. Other days, I think maybe they will. In the morning thread, Kay said we keep breaking through institutional safety nets, and the last one is the vote. She’s right. If we don’t roll these bastards back hard in November, they’ll cut enough holes in that final safety net to destroy it too. Fellow citizens, I think 2018 is our last shot.

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  1. 1.

    cervantes

    May 21, 2018 at 11:28 am

    Oh I dunno, Germany got its democracy back, admittedly there was a bit of inconvenience in between.

  2. 2.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 11:29 am

    Everyday is a winding road.

    I am hoping for record turnout at the voting booths.

  3. 3.

    Capri

    May 21, 2018 at 11:29 am

    Why can’t everyone else just ignore tweets? They certainly aren’t standard channels. Wouldn’t an official inquiry need something like a letter to the head of the agency? Still not sure why every tweet causes such a dither.

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 11:30 am

    Now, the beneficiary of that special treatment is waging all-out war on the FBI and his own Department of Justice, which appears to be intimidated enough to roll over and piddle on its own belly.

    I don’t know why they never seem to learn that there can be no appeasement with Trump. These sly little side games they think they are playing with him only open the door a little wider. He’s not going away now. He had them react and that was all he wanted. The DoJ had an out and they decided not to use it and instead engaged. Now they’re fucked.

  5. 5.

    Michael Bersin

    May 21, 2018 at 11:31 am

    On Friday in Jefferson City after the end of the regular session the Speaker and republican super majority held their end of session press conference celebrating their successes with cuts to state revenue, insufficient resources for education and higher education, and the continued diminution of workers’ ability to collectively bargain.

    Jefferson City: House majority end of session press conference – May 18, 2018

    It’s opposite year almost everywhere.

  6. 6.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 11:31 am

    @cervantes: I believe they had the maid service do a bit of dusting in the interim.

  7. 7.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 11:33 am

    @Capri:

    Why can’t everyone else just ignore tweets?

    I hear by demand that you pay The Most attention to the orange-skinned Deadbeat liar.

  8. 8.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    May 21, 2018 at 11:33 am

    Post title immediately made me think of this lovely song by Andrew Byrd. Not sure if there’s any relevance or insights in the lyrics but hey, a good song is always a good salve for trying times.

  9. 9.

    Michael Bersin

    May 21, 2018 at 11:34 am

    At a 47-114 disadvantage in the Missouri House the minority tried to hang on to as much as the could:

    Jefferson City: House minority end of session press conference – May 18, 2018

  10. 10.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 11:35 am

    Thanks for sounding the alarm. Everything will come down to the November elections. We’re all going to have to work overtime on GOTV efforts.

  11. 11.

    Waldo

    May 21, 2018 at 11:37 am

    Starting to think Jade Helm was our best shot.

  12. 12.

    jeffreyw

    May 21, 2018 at 11:37 am

    @germy: A turnout increase is a double-edged sword. The trumpists will hope to improve theirs, too. They have tasted the blood of the poor and brown and are thirsty for more.

  13. 13.

    TaMara (HFG)

    May 21, 2018 at 11:38 am

    I’m with Betty on this – some days I’m confident we’ll get the ship back up and going in the right direction. Other days I’m rooting for the meteor.

    In better news, our very own lamh36 is on a dream trip and she’s blogging about it here: Journey to the Land of Oz. If you want to keep up, as I do, with her adventures.

  14. 14.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 11:38 am

    Although it would never happen, I sometimes wish the KKKeebler Elf would respond to Lying Littledick’s daily tirade with something like “If you don’t STFU, and I mean right the fuck NOW!!!, I’m going to release ALL the evidence of the fraud, corruption, illegal business deals, and tax evasion you did back when you ‘ran’ your ‘Organization.’ You think you can’t be indicted for that shit? Think again, you fucking moron.”

    Hey, a kid can dream, can’t I?

  15. 15.

    gene108

    May 21, 2018 at 11:38 am

    @cervantes:

    If history is any guide, the rednecks/conservatives will pin the blame on 90% of the country being reduced to rubble on “those people” and institute a wave of terror to make themselves feel better for their own screw ups.

    **********************************************

    I am honestly of the opposite opinion that our institutions are not holding. They have not totally crumbled in the way Trump and Republicans would love. A lot of what were “norms”, but not laws, have been shot to hell by the corruption of Trump and his Cabinet, but I think formal institutions have not been broken.

    The judiciary still puts a hold on dump Trump rule changes. The States that have strong Democratic majorities are pushing back against Trump & Republicans. The DOJ has not yet been turned into Trump’s personal secret police force to round up his political enemies. The Press still reports what it wants (which is sort of the problem, because the Press has poor judgement and then there’s the alternate reality of Fox News).

    Anyway, I think why this feels different is because of how right-wing media has a large portion of this country thinking Mueller is a partisan “Witch Hunt” and Trump is innocent and pure as freshly fallen snow. Depending on what news source you believe, your world view on what’s going on in this country will be radically different. For a long time, we all, at least worked off of the same baseline of facts.

  16. 16.

    rachel

    May 21, 2018 at 11:39 am

    @Capri: Because it’s the President–the guy with the nuclear footbal and the power to start trade wars (and other foreign-relations disasters)–who’s doing it.

  17. 17.

    GregB

    May 21, 2018 at 11:45 am

    Congrats to the suckers that thought Trump was going to support the forgotton man. Justice Gorsuch of the fascist five just drove a stame through the heart of individual workers.

  18. 18.

    sublime33

    May 21, 2018 at 11:45 am

    When are we going to stop calling it a “witch hunt” and start calling it a “snake hunt”. Because they have caught a lot of snakes and there are a lot more hiding under the rocks.

  19. 19.

    GregB

    May 21, 2018 at 11:45 am

    Stake…..

  20. 20.

    Hungry Joe

    May 21, 2018 at 11:46 am

    Yeah, if we can’t win big in 2018, then 2020 becomes a long shot. And if the GOP retains the presidency and both houses of congress in 2020 it’s beyond Game Over: We’ll be in stuck in TILT mode forever. (Remember “TILT”? If not, well, you’ll know it when it happens.)

  21. 21.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 11:46 am

    Reuters is reporting that Giuliani invented the line that Mueller’s team said they would wrap up the investigation by Sep 1:

    Giuliani was quoted by the New York Times later on Sunday as saying that Mueller had said the investigation would wrap up by Sept. 1. A source familiar with the probe called the Sept. 1 deadline “entirely made-up” and “another apparent effort to pressure the special counsel to hasten the end of his work.”

    But, heck, they got the line out there, Mukasey reiterated it in an op ed today, and just about every GOP Congressman running for re-election reiterated it. I still say: the Dem party needs to figure out an effective strategy for countering the GOP assault on truth. I don’t have any magic answers but the propaganda war cannot go unchecked. I was glad to see Sally Yates out there this morning. That’s a start.

  22. 22.

    p.a.

    May 21, 2018 at 11:52 am

    You’re wrong Betty:

    on behalf of a hostile foreign power…

    Should be “…behalf of hostile foreign powers…”

  23. 23.

    Betty Cracker

    May 21, 2018 at 11:54 am

    Nancy’s keeping it real:

    For months, @realDonaldTrump has insulted & tried to discredit the men & women at FBI & DOJ in self-serving attempts to distract from the Trump-Russia scandal. His conspiratorial fantasies must not be allowed to undermine the proper function of our justice system. https://t.co/TJ3yes0Fqh

    — Nancy Pelosi (@NancyPelosi) May 20, 2018

  24. 24.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 11:56 am

    The Trump regime will not last forever. They along with the GOP will collapse from their own internal contradictions. Practically every authoritarian regime in history has eventually. They are inherently unstable in the long-run.

  25. 25.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 11:57 am

    @p.a.:

    Should be “…behalf of hostile foreign powers…”

    Which includes Shitgibbon itself/himself, that traitorous fuck.

  26. 26.

    gene108

    May 21, 2018 at 12:01 pm

    @GregB:

    All the “forgotten man” wants is to be able to use the N-word in public again, without getting into trouble. The rest of this stuff gutting worker protections is just the whining of liberal elitists.

  27. 27.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 12:04 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I think someone — not Pelosi, but someone with good name recognition — should say, every day, that Shitgibbon is acting the way a guilty person acts when he’s trying to keep the rest of the world from learning the truth. Eventually, that can transform into “What is he trying to hide NOW?” every time he says something.

    PS: Although I loves me some Nancy Pelosi, I’d rather see someone else get the flak that will certainly follow once that truth-telling campaign starts. She’s put up with enough shit already from those traitorous motherfuckers.

  28. 28.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 12:04 pm

    @tobie: I skimmed that piece by Bush AG Mukasey. If he mentions his son’s past or present relationships with (I’m pretty sure) multiple witnesses/subjects of the Meuller probe, and his recently dissolved partnership with Rudi Giuliani, I scrolled through it.

    Nice work, USA Today! Guests in La Quintas and Hampton Inns around the county deserve better as they wolf down their free waffles.

  29. 29.

    Mike J

    May 21, 2018 at 12:07 pm

    The fact that they talked about the Clinton investigation was proof that everyone knew it was bullshit. The fact that nobody talked about the Trump investigation was proof that everyone knew it was serious.

  30. 30.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    May 21, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    I still have hope because these assholes are so fucking stupid. That’s what’s going to bring this whole thing down, the staggering idiocy of these clowns. If they were remotely competent, I’d worry about the long haul.

  31. 31.

    Barbara

    May 21, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    @Mike J: “Everyone” connected with law enforcement, perhaps, but not everyone, and especially not everyone who was considering whether to vote or not.

  32. 32.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I still have hope because these assholes are so fucking stupid. That’s what’s going to bring this whole thing down, the staggering idiocy of these clowns.

    If the Dems take back the House, there needs to be open hearings on the trump tower meetings. I don’t think overgrown, entitled, dimwitted trust-fund babies whispering with their lawyers before saying, “Congressman Schiff, I do not recall….” over and over again is gonna play well

  33. 33.

    Teddys Person

    May 21, 2018 at 12:16 pm

    @SFAW: I nominate Ted Lieu. Here’s his twitter profile:

    Husband of Betty, the love of my life. Father of two great kids. USAF veteran. Member of Congress. In that order. Also, I don’t take orders from Vladimir Putin.

  34. 34.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 12:23 pm

    FTF NY Times has shown its ass on its headline and coverage of Giuliani’s self-serving proclamation re Mueller’s schedule.

    Seriously, I think we should send their writers kneepads and mouthwash. If they got a lot of them, and we tipped off the WashPost or NY Mag the gifts were arriving, I think we could get some traction.

    Yesterday’s story was written by the execrable Maggie Haberman and Michael Schmidt. Executive Editor who has taken the Times off the rails is Dean Baquet. Publisher is whatever Sulzberger the 47th or so (actually, it’s “AG” — mnemonic Absolutely Ghastly).

    Have no idea which jackass writes the misleading headlines.

    What say you, jackals?

    I’ll look at what the Dollar Store has in stock today when I’m out. Items don’t have to be top quality, but I’d suggest this crew needs a BIG bottle of mouthwash.

  35. 35.

    ET

    May 21, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    I am going to hope for a long term correction and a history is going to trash this administration position and cross my fingers. Too many people are either blinded byt their short-term benefits, short term views — are intimidated, confused, and/or flat out don’t know how to effective fight/respond/combat this type of administration.

    Up to now, we are used dealing with administrations operting within a band of acceptable behavior (Nixon being the exception) and who even if you disagree with positions you don’t necessarily feel are out right trying to damage the country and in such an overt, over the top fashion with the goal to enrich/protect themselves. Not so with this administration and this president.

  36. 36.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wouldn’t it be the job of USA Today editorial staff to include the info in the biographical blurb at the end of the piece? They could say “Michael Mukasey was Attorney General of the US from 2007-2009. His son Mark Mukasey is an attorney currently representing several figures interviewed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.” It’s the job of the paper to note conflicts of interest when they pertain to the subject matter of the op ed. The reader should have this information when reading and evaluating the piece.

  37. 37.

    ruemara

    May 21, 2018 at 12:26 pm

    Heh, you’re saying what I said after the election. We only have this election to ensure we have elections in 2020. So, resting or quitting isn’t an option.

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): They are. The problem is, there’s enough corrupt yet smart folks in the right positions. Plus that base is dumb and evil as well.

  38. 38.

    No Drought No More

    May 21, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    “Fellow citizens, I think 2018 is our last shot”.

    If it’s any comfort, Abe Lincoln felt much the same way in 1864. He wrote a note that the Union would perish from the earth were he defeated by McClellan, in fact. He then sealed the note in an envelope, upon which had his cabinet sign their names.

    Donald Trump is no Jefferson Davis, and Mitch McConnell is no Robert E. Lee. Republican voters are not the Army of Northern Virginia, and their powers to destroy American democracy can be suppressed without resorting to war. So take heart, and remember it is true: you can’t fool all the people, all the time.

  39. 39.

    sdhays

    May 21, 2018 at 12:28 pm

    @Uncle Ebeneezer: Andrew Bird is awesome!

  40. 40.

    Mike Furlan

    May 21, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    @Corner Stone: “Now, the beneficiary of that special treatment is waging all-out war on the FBI and his own Department of Justice, which appears to be intimidated enough to roll over and piddle on its own belly.”

    They are not intimidated, they are fellow reactionaries who want to have a “Strong Man” in charge. Facts, laws, and morality are incidental.

    We are watching the FBI taking “it’s” country back.

  41. 41.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    FTF Vichy NY Times is learning. They have corrected their headline to what it should have been from the start:

    Giuliani Claims Obstruction Inquiry May End by Sept. 1

    But’s it’s not the top story, and it’s not the breaking news alert they sent out.

    They’re awful.

  42. 42.

    trollhattan

    May 21, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    Attention rich people: climate change sourced ocean rise is coming for you. Might want to reconsider who you’ve been voting for.

    Del Mar considers unpopular ‘planned retreat’ strategy due to rising sea level

    Herb Montgomery and his wife, Janet, have lived in Del Mar’s low-lying Beach Colony just east of Camino Del Mar for 20 years. He knows the ocean is creeping closer to his property and he says the city has an obligation to protect his home, valued at $3.2 million, from the rising waters.

    But considering a strategy that allows for the eventual removal of threatened structures, even as a last resort, would be tantamount to financial ruin for him and other property owners in the small, wealthy coastal city. “It won’t work for Del Mar,” Montgomery said.

    The mere mention of the strategy known as “planned retreat” in the city’s planning documents will “put a cloud of doubt over the future” and cause property values to plummet, he said last week. Beachfont homes in Del Mar typically list for more than $5 million, and a new blufftop mansion on Stratford Court sold for $21.5 million last year.

    Current owners would be reluctant to invest in improving and maintaining their homes, Mongomery said, and banks would be unlikely to loan money to buy or improve homes that the city has acknowledged could be removed or destroyed. Many residents have fought long and hard against including planned retreat as part of the city’s long-term strategy. They say seawalls, sand retention and beach replenishment are better ways to preserve their coastal homes.

    The California Coastal Commission requires all coastal cities to have a sea-rise adaptation plan, and to include planned retreat as part of their strategy.

    Failure to comply could result in the Coastal Commission refusing to certify the city’s plan, thus robbing Del Mar of the authority to approve permits for developments such as seawalls, homes, businesses, roads and other structures. The Coastal Commission would assume this authority.

  43. 43.

    chris

    May 21, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    This should be interesting.

    President Barack Obama and Michelle Obama have entered into a multi-year agreement to produce films and series for Netflix, potentially including scripted series, unscripted series, docu-series, documentaries, and features.— Netflix US (@netflix) May 21, 2018

  44. 44.

    trollhattan

    May 21, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    @Teddys Person:
    Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff have been heroes amidst the chaos. I’d love to see either have DiFi’s seat. I’d also love a pony.

  45. 45.

    MattF

    May 21, 2018 at 12:37 pm

    Trump knows it’s his own skin that’s on the line here– so he has no hesitation whatever about trashing the FBI or any intelligence secrets to save himself. IRL, though, he has to rely on the likes of Giuliani, Nunes, Fox, and an army of less-than-mediocre minions to advance his agenda. And then he has to report to Vladimir about it. It’s going to be ugly no matter what.

  46. 46.

    James E. Powell

    May 21, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Kay said we keep breaking through institutional safety nets, and the last one is the vote. She’s right. If we don’t roll these bastards back hard in November, they’ll cut enough holes in that final safety net to destroy it too.

    If we don’t throw them out this November, they will take that as the nation’s approval of everything they’ve done and everything they plan to do. So will the press/media, who will fall all over themselves to see who can lick their boots first and best. Sadly, so will that great mass of low information voters who never seem to grasp that elections have consequences.

  47. 47.

    MattF

    May 21, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    @Elizabelle: Suggests some, ah, back-and-forth in the editorial offices.

  48. 48.

    bemused

    May 21, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    A local white 70 plus dumb as dirt male wingnut is irritated that media is reporting on anything and everything trump has done. He is ok with that but he has Obama questions. “There doesn’t seem to be any recorded history” on (Barack Hussein) Obama. He wants to hear from anyone who went to college with Obama, who graduated with Obama, who had a class with Obama. And where are the pictures of his wedding with Michelle? He says IF there is an Obama presidential library, it’s likely it won’t be very big, not any recorded history.
    These are the people that we are told we should respect.

  49. 49.

    Jay

    May 21, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    @tobie:

    It’s hard to win a propaganda war, when the Government controls the media. Behind the Iron Curtain and in other countries, distributed social media was the means to counter the “official narrative”.

    In the US, the issue the Democratic Party faces, is that FAux et al are official arms to the Rethug party, the MSM alternates between being in the bag for the Rethugs, and bothsiderism, and the social media platforms are again, dominated by the crazies, haters and wingnuttia, and the social media platforms are fine with that, ’cause it makes them moar money.

  50. 50.

    Betty Cracker

    May 21, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    @Elizabelle: A lot more skill needs to go into writing headlines and article summaries, including tweets and smartphone alerts. That’s all most people see.

  51. 51.

    Barbara

    May 21, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    @trollhattan: The message to these people is that no one will accept any assurances from them any longer that climate change isn’t going to affect their property — its value, its insurability and so on — and there is no reason to think that people not living in prize beachfront locations will want to pay higher taxes to preserve an exclusive view. North Carolina has steadfastly refused to permit officials to talk or plan in certain ways about the impact of rising sea levels in the misguided belief that if everyone just shuts up no one will figure out that investing in a house on the Outer Banks might be problematic. Heck, the entire eastern half of the state, for 100 miles or more inland is at risk from extreme flooding events. People are still buying houses on the Outer Banks, but I suspect they have shortened the timeline during which they plan to try to recover their investment.

  52. 52.

    Mary G

    May 21, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    We consider them incompetent, but a Politco article shows how the administration is going beneath the radar to muster support.

    President Donald Trump is amassing an army of political insiders for 2020 — all without leaving the White House.

    The Trump administration has hosted 14 “state days” over the past few months, inviting county commissioners of both parties to come through for tours and meet senior administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence.

    While the daylong events are formally billed as a way to establish a relationship between behemoth federal agencies and their local counterparts, they also are designed to engender new loyalty to a president some Republicans refused to support in 2016 as he begins to look ahead to his reelection campaign, according to two former aides.

    On Wednesday, more than 100 county supervisors from Wisconsin are set to make the trip to Washington. By the end of the year, the White House expects every county commissioner in the country to have received an invitation to attend such an occasion at the White House.

    and

    The outreach initiative appears to be producing the desired results. Galey, who backed Florida Sen. Marco Rubio in 2016, compared the experience with going to see the Eagles in concert instead of merely listening to a recording.

    “There is a charm. There is an appeal, and, for a political junkie, I think there is the same feeling about going to the White House,” Galey said. And the president, who she once viewed as “difficult to get your brain around,” is now, in her estimation, “doing a terrific job.”

    He’s playing to the Republican urge to fall in line.

  53. 53.

    Eljai

    May 21, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    @James E. Powell: I’m really concerned with how lazy the press has been in parsing things out for people. On NPR this morning, they made it sound like Trump demanding an investigation was normal, instead of the ominous march to authoritarianism that it is.

  54. 54.

    azlib

    May 21, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    The Trump regime will not last forever. They along with the GOP will collapse from their own internal contradictions. Practically every authoritarian regime in history has eventually. They are inherently unstable in the long-run.

    True, but in the short run a lot of people are going to be hurt or killed which makes your comment little comfort.

  55. 55.

    MattF

    May 21, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    @Eljai: The press has (mostly) persuaded itself that ‘parsing things out’ is not its job. ‘Logic’ is what libruls do.

  56. 56.

    James E. Powell

    May 21, 2018 at 12:52 pm

    @tobie:

    I still say: the Dem party needs to figure out an effective strategy for countering the GOP assault on truth.

    We’ve been saying this since the Clinton administration. It’s much worse now. I don’t know why attacking the press/media is not a standard feature of every Democratic campaign. Especially the entitled, elitist, Republican promoting Beltway Courtiers.

  57. 57.

    MattF

    May 21, 2018 at 12:52 pm

    @Barbara: Sounds like the makings of a bubble. Is there a way to go short on Outer Banks real estate?

  58. 58.

    chris

    May 21, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    When you throw these evil bastards out the fixit list is going to be daunting. This is just bigoted cruelty for the sake of bigoted cruelty.

    On return to the WH, Pres Trump will be signing another legislative rollback of an Obama-era rule designed to prevent discrimination by auto lenders on fees charged to minorities. It's the 16th use of the Congressional Review Act since Pres Trump took office.— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) May 21, 2018

  59. 59.

    Peale

    May 21, 2018 at 12:54 pm

    @Jay: yep. The Information Age is not working out as promised,that’s for sure.

  60. 60.

    MattF

    May 21, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    @Peale: Via MetaFilter. I expect some of these thing to show up sooner than you might imagine.

  61. 61.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    May 21, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    @sdhays: He is an amazing talent and great song-writer.

  62. 62.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    @Mary G:

    is now, in her estimation, “doing a terrific job.”

    How the fuck does she figure? Does the author ask her what she thinks he’s done that’s so terrific? I don’t feel like reading it to find out

  63. 63.

    Mary G

    May 21, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    This is on whitehouse.gov right now: What You Need To Know About The Violent Animals Of MS-13. It gives examples of specific horrific crimes in Maryland, Texas, and New York.

    MS-13 is a transnational gang that has brought violence, fear, and suffering to American communities. MS-13, short for Mara Salvatrucha, commits shocking acts of violence to instill fear, including machete attacks, executions, gang rape, human trafficking, and more. In their motto, the animals of MS-13 make clear their goal is to “kill, rape, control.” The gang has more than 10,000 members in the United States spreading violence and suffering.

    Translation: “I alone can protect you from the scary brown people.”

    ETA: In ten paragraphs the word animals is used 10 times.

  64. 64.

    patrick II

    May 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Its director, James Comey, publicly trashed Hillary Clinton at the conclusion of the bureau’s investigation into how Clinton handled emails as secretary of state and precipitously and needlessly revealed that the investigation had been reopened in the final days of the campaign.

    He did more than that. Comey’s FBI was the reason Hillary had “classified” material on her email server in the first place. Hillary had asked that the post-classification of her conversation (allegedly about drones) be not classified. The information had appeared in the NY Times before her emails. (Her even asking was a minor scandal on FOX). She was turned down.
    Trump — a known and major infiltration of a foreign adversary into his campaign.
    Clinton — Phantom reasons for classifying publicly known information.
    Solution — Teach that woman a lesson.

  65. 65.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I think “errors” like the FTF NYTimes is making are no errors.

    And absolutely: the headline and blurb are all that most people see, especially if they’re not subscribers and there is a paywall.

  66. 66.

    kindness

    May 21, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    Only partially joking:

    We’re going to need a bigger wall to put all these traitors up against.

  67. 67.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    It’s right up there with this one in the annals of excellent journalism:

    Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia

    Yes, unbelievably, they did it again.

  68. 68.

    H.E.Wolf

    May 21, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    Hello to all. I’m not often around BJ in time to comment these days – because I’m using as much of my spare time as possible to help our state Dems get out the vote. It is a very effective antidote to despair.

    I’m encouraged by the thousands of volunteers who have signed up. The teenagers, many of them not yet old enough to vote, are a beacon of light and an inspiration to me.

    If the news of corruption and malfeasance is getting you down (and how could it not?), I recommend – most strongly – contributing some volunteer time to the 2018 election cycle.

    It doesn’t have to be a giant time commitment. Tiny amounts are welcome, and they add up. I’m seeing it in action, and it’s great.

  69. 69.

    Mandalay

    May 21, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    @Teddys Person:

    Also, I don’t take orders from Vladimir Putin.

    That’s true. Lieu takes his marching orders from AIPAC.

  70. 70.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    @H.E.Wolf: Yea you. Good work.

  71. 71.

    catclub

    May 21, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    @p.a.: I still say that ignoring the same thing from Israel in 2012 was a bad precedent. I would noy be surprised to find that in 2012 both Israel and Saudi Arabia were up to the same thing as in 2016.

  72. 72.

    Mary G

    May 21, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    Now, following the meetings last year, and several more invitations for conference calls with the White House, she views herself as part of the team.

    These are very small fish, but locally control a lot of voters. They even have to pay their own way to DC. But they are listened to, which probably doesn’t happen much.

  73. 73.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    That’s true. Lieu takes his marching orders from AIPAC.

    Thank god for the Keepers of the Real, Man.

  74. 74.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    @Mary G:
    Holy shit. I thought you were using hyperbole with that title. That’s disgusting. The people who wrote that racist shit are the real “animals”. They want to use that as justification to mistreat all Latinos and hold onto power as long as they can.

  75. 75.

    Mary G

    May 21, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    Kilauea is erupting spectacularly – link to Periscope on Twitter. Pele is mad Jeff Sessions called Hawaii some little island.

  76. 76.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    @cervantes:

    Germany got its democracy back, admittedly there was a bit of inconvenience in between.

    I don’t think we want to have to be divided between Russia and Democracy for 50 years.

  77. 77.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 1:11 pm

    @Mary G:

    These are very small fish, but locally control a lot of voters.

    That scares me. Are the Trump team trying to do an end around the decentralized nature of American elections? What do we have left if we can’t even trust that our elections are fair?

    They even have to pay their own way to DC. But they are listened to, which probably doesn’t happen much.

    I don’t care. She’s being used as a tool and she’s happy about that. She’s a traitor too though I suspect she would object to that characterization. I’m sure the local tax collectors in the Third Reich thought they were good people as well.

  78. 78.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    The DoJ had an out and they decided not to use it and instead engaged. Now they’re fucked.

    Everything Trump touches, dies.

  79. 79.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    @Mary G:

    In ten paragraphs the word animals is used 10 times.

    This looked much more sophisticated in the original German.

    So we have internment camps, the dehumanization of all opponents, the calls for political enemies to be destroyed by the justice department. All we’re missing are the gas chambers and looting gold teeth from the corpses.

  80. 80.

    Mary G

    May 21, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: They are very much the “good Germans.” This is bad because it will increase turnout of Republicans in November.

  81. 81.

    Capri

    May 21, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    @rachel: But presidents have always said stuff off the cuff. If a president says “I wish there were no more wars” or some similar sentiment, the Army doesn’t take that as a direct order to dismantle.
    It would seem to me that tweets should be considered the same as off-the-cuff speech, not official edicts that demand a response from other parts of the government.

  82. 82.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    @Hungry Joe:

    And if the GOP retains the presidency and both houses of congress in 2020 it’s beyond Game Over: We’ll be in stuck in TILT mode forever. (Remember “TILT”? If not, well, you’ll know it when it happens.)

    As Dr. Silverman has constantly mentioned, other countries get a say in this.

    I welcome our new Canadian overlords.

  83. 83.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    Hi all,

    Libraryguy here.

    just off the phone with my electric company, finally got them to back off and accept this weekend’s payment as a deposit (took two hours).

    We’d like to get caught up so they can’t mess with us again. If you feel like helping (and helping animal rescue / sanctuaries), the link is here.

    Thanks, again, for all you folks have already done for us.

  84. 84.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    @Mary G:

    This is bad because it will increase turnout of Republicans in November.

    How? It’s high time for the Republicans to have their own version of 2010.

  85. 85.

    ruemara

    May 21, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    @Capri: A new kleptokaistocratic day, Capri. Government by rage tweet is now the norm. Why? Because people want order over anything else. These people in charge may be booksmart, but they’re dumb as fuck about who not to trust.

  86. 86.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    @James E. Powell:

    . I don’t know why attacking the press/media is not a standard feature of every Democratic campaign.

    “When they go low, we go high.”

    Extending common decency to the media has been a feature, not a bug of the Democratic campaigns.

    The Sith have changed since their near destruction, the Jedi have not. And its biting us on the ass hard.

  87. 87.

    H.E.Wolf

    May 21, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    @Elizabelle:
    Thanks, and it’s definitely not just me – when I wrote “thousands”, it was not an exaggeration:

    I put a state map on my bulletin board and bought a box of 100 map pins, so that I could mark the cities where people were signing up. (Too many people per city to mark individuals.)

    I had to go back and get a 2nd box of 100 pins… and I’m almost out of those.

    Something’s happening. It’s like… a WAVE.

  88. 88.

    chopper

    May 21, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    @Mandalay:

    just say ‘the jews’, it’s easier for the rest of us.

  89. 89.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    @H.E.Wolf: Yours was such good advice. An antidote to cynicism and despair.

    Come on, wave. (The MSM will be the last to know, bless their bought and paid for little hearts.)

  90. 90.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    OT…as we all agree we’re going to need to hit the pavement in the fall for the GOTV efforts, what’s the best shoe leather you would recommend? (I also ask because I’m leaving for a trip on Sunday and would like to buy good walking shoes that also have a decent look. Mephisto? Ecco?)

  91. 91.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    They are inherently unstable in the long-run.

    In the long run everyone is dead.

    Recall that the worst regime in history did all of its damage in just 12 years.

  92. 92.

    Brachiator

    May 21, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    Some days, I think the Trump junta won’t get away with its many crimes. Other days, I think maybe they will.

    Right now, I guess the main thing is to vote. I’m trying to go through my California June primary ballot, with about a thousand people running for governor and senator. Then, on to November.

  93. 93.

    dnfree

    May 21, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    There is a poll on the USA Today Mukasey article. So far the other side is winning, in case anyone feels inclined to vote.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/05/20/end-robert-mueller-investigation-michael-mukasey-editorials-debates/35157745/

  94. 94.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    @SFAW:

    but someone with good name recognition

    Someone like Al Franken?

  95. 95.

    trnc

    May 21, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    @tobie: Yes, thanks again to the NYT for quoting Rudy without checking with Mueller team first.

    Maggie H wrote it, because Maggie H.

  96. 96.

    Tenar Arha

    May 21, 2018 at 1:30 pm

    @bemused: Yeaahh. ?‍♂️?‍♀️

    (If he is someone you care about & he was serious rather than looking for propaganda to confirm his biases, I’d recommend the snopes article & his local library & reference librarian).

  97. 97.

    eemom

    May 21, 2018 at 1:30 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    “When they go low, we go high.”

    I like Michelle Obama, but that is beyond a doubt the dumbest thing she ever said.

  98. 98.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    @eemom: Yes, that comment did not age well.

    I increasingly get the feeling that the Democratic party is still trying to fight the last election of 2008.

    The enemy has changed, the political environment has changed. This is not the time to be playing fair.

  99. 99.

    gbbalto

    May 21, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    @tobie: Check sasshoes.com. My (mens’) shoes are very comfortable casual-dress and they last a long time. Quality worth the $$$.

  100. 100.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    Josh Billinson
    ‏@jbillinson
    23h23 hours ago
    More
    I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into why Pluto lives in a dog house and is treated as a pet, while Goofy lives in a normal house and drives a jalopy and wears clothes

    The DOJ should just change everything he says like this, and then ignore it. If he’s going to fire them he’ll fire them no matter what they do, so they really could just opt to do and say absolutely nothing, every time.

    He’s already called all of them corrupt. Next he’ll call them “fat” or whatever. Who gives a shit?

  101. 101.

    H.E.Wolf

    May 21, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    @Elizabelle:
    Another antidote to cynicism and despair was when I dropped the 2nd box of map pins while I was waiting in line at the cash register. I found 96 and the cashier found 3 more. Alas for the 100th pin.

    Several weeks later I was at the same store, and the same cashier was on duty. His face lit up and he handed me the missing 100th pin – “We found it when we were sweeping under the display cases, and I saved it for you!”

    I put it into the map to mark his tiny rural hometown… where, as it happens, there was already a volunteer.

    It’s a WAVE, I tell ya.

  102. 102.

    hilts

    May 21, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    Mark Penn, former chief strategist and pollster to Hillary Clinton, has officially become batshit crazy:

    The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

    At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton “matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a yearlong investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

    With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.
    But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

    In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

    Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a DeLorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

    Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

    Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

    This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

    Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

    Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

    Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

    h/t http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all

  103. 103.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    @Kay:

    If he’s going to fire them he’ll fire them no matter what they do, so they really could just opt to do and say absolutely nothing, every time.

    He’s already called all of them corrupt. Next he’ll call them “fat” or whatever. Who gives a shit?

    Kay, his preferred method of getting rid of people is to make their work environment so toxic and unbearable that they quit on their own. Unfortunately, its fucking effective.

    No matter how dedicated a civil servant may be, everyone has their limit.

  104. 104.

    Mayur

    May 21, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    @TenguPhule: The media also turns into a bunch of fucking whiners the moment they get *any* criticism from the left or center, and seem to respond with instant cringe to any such criticism from the right. So there’s that.

  105. 105.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:43 pm

    @hilts:

    Mark Penn, former chief strategist and pollster to Hillary Clinton, has officially become batshit crazy:

    I have always maintained that he was a Republican Trojan horse. He simply doesn’t have to pretend anymore.

  106. 106.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    @Mayur:

    The media also turns into a bunch of fucking whiners the moment they get *any* criticism from the left or center

    Yes, because more often then not, they get an apology in return.

    Its a set of learned behavior.

  107. 107.

    trnc

    May 21, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    @dnfree: Do the Koch brothers own USA today now?

  108. 108.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    @H.E.Wolf:

    What group(s) are you volunteering with?

  109. 109.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    @TenguPhule: I disagree.

    Dems need to play forcibly, passionately, and always with a sense of the dreadful urgency of what is at stake. We need to be fighting daily, hourly, and for the long-term.

    But we don’t need to be lying cheating fools who will say or do anything to get power. That’s the Tea Party, that’s Republicans, that’s their base. Not ours.

    “When they go low, we go high” shouldn’t be read as capitulation, but as standing up for values and beliefs that _deserve_ to be defended and embraced. We can do that without being like them.

  110. 110.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    Aaron Blake
    ‏

    @AaronBlake
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    “There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.” — Hope Hicks in November 2016
    Turns out there was a second Trump Tower meeting.

    Now it comes clear why they all loved Hope Hicks. She’s a giant liar, too. Like all of them. She was probably in the meetings.

    It’s sort of mildly interesting to see how far they’ve moved the goalposts. They went from “no communication” to “collusion isn’t a crime”

    They’ve somehow managed to assemble a whole administration composed of Nixonian-level liars. They all lie. Constantly.

  111. 111.

    LAO

    May 21, 2018 at 1:46 pm

    Well, this should be interesting. And by interesting, I mean horrible and stupid.

    ABC News has learned President Trump will meet today at the White House with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. The meeting is scheduled for 3pm. I'm told this "demand" will be a topic of discussion … https://t.co/vd7uHo5ctf— Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) May 21, 2018

  112. 112.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    May 21, 2018 at 1:46 pm

    It’s true that this year’s elections are critical. IMHO. If the Republicans maintain both houses, excuses will be found to shut down the Mueller probe and the media lapdogs will yap, happily or Very Sadly And With Deep Concern. No Congressional investigations will occur, of course, and the court will be packed for decades with another justice who is too busy giving fat, sloppy kisses to right wing causes to remember how to render a fair decision.

  113. 113.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Okay, but there should be a certain level of fatalism kicking in here. They aren’t going to survive. Do as much damage to the regime as you can on your way out because if you are in any way a decent or ethical person you’re going down. So go down fighting.

  114. 114.

    lollipopguild

    May 21, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    @Kay: They have no choice, they are always lying so when they get caught they have to keep lying.

  115. 115.

    Brachiator

    May 21, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    @Mary G:

    his is on whitehouse.gov right now: What You Need To Know About The Violent Animals Of MS-13.

    I liked Eric Burdon and the Animals; the crap Trump is pulling, not so much.

  116. 116.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    @James E. Powell:

    It’s much worse now. I don’t know why attacking the press/media is not a standard feature of every Democratic campaign. Especially the entitled, elitist, Republican promoting Beltway Courtiers.

    Agreed. The Rethugs and RWNJs worked the refs — i.e., screaming at the top of their lungs about the Liberal Media — for 20 or 30 years before they had the MSM so scared that they now bend over backwards to grant legitimacy to any/every lie spouted by the wingnuts. Until the MSM feel the same pain coming from the left side, not much will change.

    And fuck Pinche’ Sulzberger.

  117. 117.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:52 pm

    @Kay:

    It’s sort of mildly interesting to see how far they’ve moved the goalposts. They went from “no communication” to “collusion isn’t a crime”

    Conspiracy. Its conspiracy.

    Collusion is the gaslighting that Trump is using.

  118. 118.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 1:53 pm

    @Libraryguy:

    Before someone starts screeching “Troll!” (as they were the other night), I will note that Libraryguy’s link goes to a store where you can actually buy stuff, located in New York. Notorious troll Jurassic Pork is located, as far as I could tell when I investigated, in Florida and sells nothing but hard-luck stories. It is unlikely that they are the same person.

  119. 119.

    bemused

    May 21, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    @Tenar Arha:

    Nah, he’s just a guy who has a weekly small town paper who writes editorials bashing Obama/praising trump all the time. If he gets negative letters responding to his bilge, he’s happy. He has actually stated that angering people with his fact-free editorials is great. I guess he thinks he’s “winning”. That’s how idiotic he is. Most people in the town avoid him and not just liberals. He thinks he’s a great newspaper guy even though he barely has a vocabulary and that he is popular and smart…a trump mini-me.

  120. 120.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    @LAO: When I saw that I loudly said oh f..k, and once again scared the mutt.

  121. 121.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Some Narratives For The Democrats (Free Of Charge)

  122. 122.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    @SFAW: I spent a lot of time on the road in the last few weeks, feeding my MSNBC addiction on XM. Ari Melber was doing a Dem/Repub “strategist” segment, and the R kept harping on “Why aren’t the Democrats stepping up!” I kept waiting for someone to point out the obvious, that there isn’t a whole helluva a lot the Dems can do in the minority. Member took the bait and asked the Dem, “Why aren’t the Democrats doing more?” I don’t think Melber is stupid, and I know his history is all pretty liberal, but it just shows how easy it is for Rs to manipulate the media. Josh Marshall did a long piece years ago on how DC is wired for Repbulicans, and that kind of reflexive Broderism is a big part of it.

  123. 123.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    @hilts: Mark Penn was always for sale. The only question is who’s paying him.

  124. 124.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    @Kay:

    Okay, but there should be a certain level of fatalism kicking in here. They aren’t going to survive. Do as much damage to the regime as you can on your way out because if you are in any way a decent or ethical person you’re going down. So go down fighting.

    Unfortunately all the good ways of fighting involve hefty fines and prison sentences.

    And the long serving civil service people know they have better options, they know how badly the private sector wants their experience, especially in a tightening job market.

    They’re not heroes Kay, they’re ordinary people who know how to do their jobs well. They’re not going to risk their lives and livelyhoods for a lost cause, they’re just going to move on.

  125. 125.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    @Steeplejack: Their advertising on EVERY fucking thread was annoying AF. If they want to peddle on BJ, let them pay Cole for advertising like everyone else.

  126. 126.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    @Libraryguy:

    But we don’t need to be lying cheating fools who will say or do anything to get power. That’s the Tea Party, that’s Republicans, that’s their base. Not ours.

    Yes, and we don’t need to torture animals nor send children to bed without supper. But since TenguPhule wasn’t suggesting any of those things, not sure what you’re getting on your high horse about.

    I know, I know, when the Rethugs bring a knife to a fist fight, we should NEVER do anything but follow the Marquis of Queensbury, because we NEED to maintain our purity.

    No one’s talking about lying. We’re talking about kicking the Rethugs et al. in the figurative cojones, every goddam day.

  127. 127.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    @gbbalto: never heard of sasshoes. will check them out!

  128. 128.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    @LAO: Do we think they’ll have their letters of resignation in their suit pocket?

  129. 129.

    Gravenstone

    May 21, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Publisher is whatever Sulzberger the 47th or so

    “Punch” begat “Pinch” begat … “Pustule”?

  130. 130.

    randy khan

    May 21, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    @Hungry Joe:

    I will be a lot happier if the Dems win big in 2018 (and the risks are too big to even think about if they don’t), but it’s worth noting that the 2020 Senate map is as bad for the Republicans as the 2018 map is for the Dems.

  131. 131.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    Aaaand now he’s summoning them to the White House so he can obstruct justice live and in-person.

    This campaign to retain the credibility of institutions is working out great, I must say. Doing a bang up job on that.

    Now not only will the FBI be completely discredited, the DOJ will be too. Maybe they should try standing up to him? As a last resort having tried every possible appeasement?

  132. 132.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    @Steeplejack: Yeah, I was wondering if Mr. Pork had acquired a store …. mysteries, mysteries.

  133. 133.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    @Gravenstone: “Pustule” works for me. LOL.

  134. 134.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:04 pm

    @Elizabelle: If I recall, Mr. Pork was a writer? I think he had a bunch of novels he’d written, but was always in a financial jam.

  135. 135.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 2:04 pm

    Remember the olden days? When Bill Clinton talking to Lynch on an airplane was a constitutional crisis of epic proportions?

    Now Trump calls them in to give them marching orders and 5000 lawyers on Fox can’t locate the specific statutory provision that violates.

    Technically.

  136. 136.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 2:04 pm

    I posted up-thread that USA Today fucked up by not telling its readers (or retweeters, cable hosts who will cite it– there are probably more of those than readers) that Papa Mukasey was massively conflicted because of his son’s connections to Giuliani and Meuller’s witnesses/targets. Turns out I underestimated their lack of professionalism

    Josh Marshall @ joshtpm
    Wait, law partner of Giuliani and father of Rudy’s deputy thinks the Mueller probe should end? I did not see this coming.

  137. 137.

    Fair Economist

    May 21, 2018 at 2:04 pm

    @dnfree: That’s a really dumb poll, or intended to be confusing. It’s not even obvious which way to vote.

  138. 138.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 2:05 pm

    @Kay:

    If he’s going to fire them he’ll fire them no matter what they do, so they really could just opt to do and say absolutely nothing, every time.

    The decision to engage ahead of any official action was foolish. I understand some believe they wanted to say something first in an effort to maybe shape what the official request might look like. But that is garbage. Why not try what Mattis does? Say nothing until pressed and then say you’re looking into it but nothing is changing right now. That’s how the damn thing is supposed to work!
    All these fucking Republicans in the DoJ, seems like a legacy of really low quality hires we’re stuck with.

  139. 139.

    JR

    May 21, 2018 at 2:07 pm

    @cervantes: France is at #5 and counting

  140. 140.

    randy khan

    May 21, 2018 at 2:07 pm

    @tobie:

    When I read about Rudy’s comments, I figured that they were made up and mostly for Trump’s consumption, sort of like the fake deadlines his previous lawyers used to mention.

    In truth, September 1 wouldn’t really be great timing for the Republicans unless the report exonerates Trump and his team. Better than October 1, but still too close to the election for the impact to really dissipate.

  141. 141.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    @TenguPhule: That slogan did not age at all. I hated it immediately. What a great way to sum up a royal decades long ass kicking.

  142. 142.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Get real. He commented on a few threads at the time of his “crisis” last week, and that was about it. Hadn’t heard a peep from him before that in a month or two.

    But by all means express your rage glands over that—which, incidentally, refutes the idea that he’s a troll—while Taboola really does shit on every goddamn thread. But, hey, at least we’re making money!

  143. 143.

    jonas

    May 21, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    @GregB: We have to remember that Trump’s base isn’t the fabled “economically insecure” WWC, it’s embittered Republican activists who have two priorities: dismantling the administrative state at every level, and entrenching white supremacy/rolling back acceptance of non-whites as full-enfranchised citizens. They don’t give a shit about workers, about the economy (save for tax cuts, and they got those, natch), and definitely don’t give a shit about some unemployed coal miner except in as far as they can get that guy to vote against his own interests to their advantage.

    *These* are Trump’s base, and he is serving them well. Fortunately, they’re also not an electoral majority unless our side throws its hands up and stays home.

  144. 144.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    Hey Democratic Party, this election is absolutely crucial. I am not talking about crucial in terms of power, but crucial in terms of the basic shape and direction of this country. We are ruled by a wannabe despot, and your brand of policy wonk centrism has been an absolute failure. Narratives and stories are what move people politically. You need to come up with some good ones, not awful weak tea like “When They Go Low, We Go High.”

    I am not necessarily the best wordsmith, but you can surely take these narratives and make them into snappier slogans. The underlying narratives are what matters, anyway. Here’s basically the language I would use.

    “Democrats Care About Your Health,
    Republicans Care About Making The Medical Industry Rich”

    “Democrats Want to Rebuild Our Crumbling Infrastructure,
    Republicans Want To Sell The Country Off For Parts And Scrap”

    “Democrats Want To Protect You From The Big Banks,
    Republicans Want The Banks To Rip You Off”

    “Democrats Want To Hold Donald Trump Responsible,
    Republicans Support His Thievery and Immorality”

    I didn’t care for the “policy wonk centrism” crack, but he’s moving in the right direction.

  145. 145.

    VeniceRiley

    May 21, 2018 at 2:11 pm

    Yes we need huge wins in 2018 and 2020 … then some smart and fast legislating, nuclear optioning, and supreme court packing, then impeach all the unqualified Trump trolls that got lifetime appointments to the bench. The list of things to do is long long long, but that’s a foundation.

    If we are not successful, we may be beginning to face CalExit and such for real. ATP I would do almost anything to get the red state numerical minority’s feet off our collective majority throats.

  146. 146.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 2:11 pm

    @Teddys Person:

    I nominate Ted Lieu. Here’s his twitter profile:

    He certainly gives good tweet.

    But then again, as someone wanted to point out above, you can’t spell “Likud” without 75 percent of the letters in his last name. Or something like that. But as we all know, AIPAC is SO MUCH WORSE than Putin, because of the Rothschilds or something. (Although it’s not clear to me that Lieu really is an AIPAC shill. But even if he were — so what?)

  147. 147.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    @germy: I really don’t see anything there Dems aren’t saying. How do you make (white) people care?

    and for all the Michelle Obama bashing, I thought during the closing weeks of the campaign, she was trying to bait trump into going after her. His lizard-brained survival instincts kicked in and he didn’t take the bait

  148. 148.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    @Gravenstone:

    “Punch” begat “Pinch” begat …

    Pinche’ (in its Mexican usage).

    ETA: Or perhaps Pendejo. Or Pinche’ Pendejo.

  149. 149.

    Tokyokie

    May 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I liked Eric Burdon and the Animals; the crap Trump is pulling, not so much.

    I’m afraid I have to take vigorous exception. Everything good that the band did was primarily from the contributions of Alan Price, not Eric Burdon. But then, Price is a proud Geordie, and Burdon liked to pretend he was born black in Detroit.

    Can’t argue with the Trump part though.

  150. 150.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    An article from 2015:

    Fifty eight House members — 22 Democrats and 36 Republicans — are making a trip this month to Israel, right before Congress is set to consider the controversial Iran nuclear deal.

    The trip is being paid for by the American Israel Education Foundation, the charitable arm of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

  151. 151.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    In his first major foreign policy address as secretary of state, Mike Pompeo laid out a list of demands Iran must agree to before sanctions are lifted.

    Via Wapo.

    This goes about as bad as you can imagine.

  152. 152.

    Brachiator

    May 21, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    @Kay:

    Now not only will the FBI be completely discredited, the DOJ will be too. Maybe they should try standing up to him? As a last resort having tried every possible appeasement?

    The FBI and DOJ work for the president, who is supposed to represent the people. There is no such thing as standing up to Trump short of resigning. The Congress might be able to intervene, but obviously a Republican dominated Congress will not do anything.

    The mid-terms become more and more important.

  153. 153.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    @Steeplejack: I don’t know about the Troll part from the other day, but I’ve been on BJ for years and you can see what people have done for us in the past here: Tis the Season

    I’m having a slight emergency right now, that’s all. Sorry to spam the open thread with this.

    Thanks.

  154. 154.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:19 pm

    @Kay:

    As a last resort having tried every possible appeasement?

    I’m sure there’s a few more appeasements we haven’t seen them use yet.

  155. 155.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    @TenguPhule: I don’t want to peddle on BJ. Just looking for some emergency help. Sorry to be annoying.

  156. 156.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    @SFAW: He wasn’t impressed with Michelle’s phrase, and I thought it could mean a lot to us as Democrats and as opponents of Trump/Republicanism et al. That’s all.

  157. 157.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    @Libraryguy:

    Sorry to spam the open thread with this.

    If you’re going to do it, own it. If you’re going to apologize, don’t do it in the first place — especially since you’ve already done it a lot in the past week.

  158. 158.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    @Steeplejack: Never claimed they were a troll. But if they wanna solicit here, the polite thing to do would be to send some money to John Cole.

  159. 159.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    @germy:
    That’s basically what Democrats are already saying. Personally? I think that a hands off approach would be best. Elections are local, after all. Let candidates run their campaigns as they see fit. They should know their districts better than anyone.

  160. 160.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    Sweden is sending out 4.8 million booklets to households across the country called, “If Crisis or War Comes” (Om Krisen Eller Kriget Kommer).

    According to The Guardian:

    Similar leaflets were first distributed in neutral Sweden in 1943, at the height of the second world war. Updates were issued regularly to the general public until 1961, and then to local and national government officials until 1991.

    The publication comes as the debate on security – and the possibility of joining Nato – has intensified in Sweden in the wake of Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 and recent incursions into Swedish airspace and territorial waters by Russian planes and submarines.

  161. 161.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    @Corner Stone: If they don’t agree to his hearby demand, then Trump will pull them out of his pocket and tell them to sign. We are about to see whether or not Wray and Rosenstein care more about their jobs, or the country.

  162. 162.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    @SFAW: I agree, kick away. No Marquis of Queensbury rules, just not being like them. I think that’s what M Obama was after.

  163. 163.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:27 pm

    @Libraryguy: The first 3 times I could understand. But once it started practically on every single post for days on end, that’s when it crosses the line. You end up driving away more people instead of getting them to click on your site. Ask an FP for a favor next time for a dedicated thread and pay back the site when you can.

  164. 164.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:27 pm

    @SFAW: “If you’re going to do it, own it. If you’re going to apologize, don’t do it in the first place — especially since you’ve already done it a lot in the past week.”

    I do own it, thanks.

    Sorry to have an emergency. Go back to you thread and enjoy it.

  165. 165.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 2:27 pm

    @Libraryguy:

    You’re not the problem.

  166. 166.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    @germy: That’s reassuring. //

  167. 167.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    @Libraryguy:

    He wasn’t impressed with Michelle’s phrase, and I thought it could mean a lot to us as Democrats and as opponents of Trump/Republicanism et al. That’s all.

    The way you responded, you equated his comment about “not the time to be playing fair” with lying. Although you didn’t write the words “TenguPhule, don’t encourage lying,” that was the strong implication in your comment.

  168. 168.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    You do realize that Cole front-paged the guy and his charity back around the first of the year?

  169. 169.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    @TenguPhule: “Never claimed they were a troll. But if they wanna solicit here, the polite thing to do would be to send some money to John Cole.”

    I’ve donated to fellow BJ’s with issues. I see if John is bothered, that wasn’t my intention.

  170. 170.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    @VeniceRiley:

    then some smart and fast legislating,

    Good legislation is anything but fast. Just saying.

  171. 171.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:31 pm

    @TenguPhule: “The first 3 times I could understand. But once it _started practically on every single post for days on end_ that’s when it crosses the line. You end up driving away more people instead of getting them to click on your site. Ask an FP for a favor next time for a dedicated thread and pay back the site when you can.”

    Damn, block me if I’m such an ass. I’ll make sure to keep it focused on politics from now on.

  172. 172.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    when you really want the crazy, nuclear-armed, brutal dictator to know just how desperate you are for a photo-op…

    Jim Acosta @ Acosta
    There’s now a White House Military Office coin for the upcoming Trump Kim Jong Un summit. The North Korean dictator is referred to as “Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un.

  173. 173.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    @Steeplejack: Thanks.

  174. 174.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    @Libraryguy:

    I agree, kick away. No Marquis of Queensbury rules, just not being like them. I think that’s what M Obama was after.

    I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make here.

    TenguPhule is saying kick them in the nuts, Mrs. Obama was saying don’t do that.

    When the refs are going to look the other way when the Rethugs try to kick you in the nuts, it doesn’t do much good to take the high road.

  175. 175.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    That can’t be fucking real…

  176. 176.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    @SFAW: Got it.

    Didn’t mean that. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

  177. 177.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    But once it started practically on every single post for days on end, that’s when it crosses the line.

    That is complete bullshit. Google

    site:balloon-juice.com libraryguy

    and let us know if you find more than four or five hits in the last month.

  178. 178.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    @Steeplejack: And a dedicated thread is much more reasonable then a bombardment of solicitations in other threads.

    It was my personal observation of the issue, not looking for an argument on this.

  179. 179.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is not going to end well.

  180. 180.

    dexwood

    May 21, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Bet our Supreme Tweeter covets the Supreme Leader title.

  181. 181.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:36 pm

    @SFAW: Guess I was saying that we can fight tough and fight hard without being like them. Kick them in the nuts but not by going to the extremes they do. Seriously, kick away.

    I feel like that’s what she was saying, that’s all.

  182. 182.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    @TenguPhule: Got it. I’m ok and done with it.

  183. 183.

    Doug R

    May 21, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    A turnout increase is a double-edged sword. The trumpists will hope to improve theirs, too. They have tasted the blood of the poor and brown and are thirsty for more.

    They shot their wad. The dead-enders all voted. Supporters are peeling off and Democrats are voting-look at the D+13 to D+28 results of the special elections so far.

  184. 184.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    That is complete bullshit.

    It was last week. The first couple of times was fine. After that, it got annoying.

  185. 185.

    Jeffro

    May 21, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    @SFAW: That’s the thing, right? Taking the high road works well on a personal level; when we’re talking about running a country, there is no “ref” other than the norms and laws that govern that country. When one side doesn’t give a shit about the norms OR half the laws (and right now it’s only half…but it’s still half), then it’s up to the other side to unite, roll up their sleeves, and do whatever it takes to push back and restore the rule of law (including making some former norms into law).

  186. 186.

    Libraryguy

    May 21, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    Please, let’s get back to fighting Republicans!

  187. 187.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    There’s now a White House Military Office coin for the upcoming Trump Kim Jong Un summit. The North Korean dictator is referred to as “Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un.

    Okay Onion, pack it in. You’re done.

  188. 188.

    LAO

    May 21, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    What a bunch of cowards:

    As Trump fires off angry tweets about the Mueller inquiry, demands a new Justice Department probe and meets with Rosenstein and Wray, the WH opted against having a press briefing today and gave no explanation— Manu Raju (@mkraju) May 21, 2018

  189. 189.

    H.E.Wolf

    May 21, 2018 at 2:41 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    What group(s) are you volunteering with?

    I’m volunteering with the State Democratic party, which has an office nearby. Because (thankfully) my reps at state and national level are already Democrats, I wanted to find a way to help other districts in my state turn blue, and the Dems in my state appear to have a strong coordinated campaign underway.

    (Kay will be pleased to know that they kept some of their local field organizers from the 2016 campaign, and those folks are very knowledgeably involved in the 2018 effort.)

    I’m also hearing from various local acquaintances who are involved with other groups in GOTV activities, ranging from the League of Women Voters to a bunch of groups that sprang into being in the past year or two – so there are many options to explore.

    FYI: I have always loved your ‘nym!

  190. 190.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:41 pm

    Trump’s Charm and Threats May Not Be Working on China

    FTFNYT headline.

    So many dopes, not enough slaps.

  191. 191.

    Jay

    May 21, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    @jonas:

    Yup, case in point:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/theseantcollins/status/998197114650980352

    Sean T. Collins
    @theseantcollins
    This is the gofundme for the man with terminal cancer whose wife had to go back to work to pay for it and was murdered in school the other day.

    Lung stem cell treatment for IPF
    gofundme.com
    7:41 AM · May 20, 2018

  192. 192.

    MisterForkbeard

    May 21, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    @TenguPhule: “Trump’s China Trade War Ends Without Success After China Guarantees $500million loan to a Trump Hotel Project.”

    That’s certainly more accurate and informative. Maybe they should use that.

  193. 193.

    Peale

    May 21, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    @hilts: as I wrote below, my guess is that this is as much professional circling the wagons around manafort as it is anything. They are in the same business. If influencers and campaign directors aren’t allowed to break the law overseas and come back and remain members of good standing in society, why he could be next. Is there no end to this kind of madness?

  194. 194.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: KJU already owns Trump’s stupid ass. He and Xi are looking to rent it out while Putin isn’t whipping it. Is there anybody Trump won’t sell out to?

  195. 195.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    A Trump-installed Supreme Court justice just wrote the majority opinion on a decision that allows companies to force workers into individual arbitration rather than pursuing class action lawsuits.

    Having read more on this, Fuck those 5 assholes sitting on the bench.

    If there is no recourse to justice in the law, there is going to be a swell towards justice by other means fair or foul.

    Workplace violence is going to start going through the roof if companies do what I’m afraid they’re gonna do in light of this incredibly stupid decision.

  196. 196.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 2:50 pm

    @H.E.Wolf:

    Thanks. I know that a number of groups have sprung up since 2016; I’m always interested in finding out which ones are actually getting stuff done.

  197. 197.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 2:51 pm

    @Jay: I read on twitter somewhere the other day that someone asked (para), “I wonder if the founders of gofundme.com realized they were starting a Healthcare company?”

  198. 198.

    Jay

    May 21, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    @SFAW:

    “When the refs are going to look the other way when the Rethugs try to kick you in the nuts, it doesn’t do much good to take the high road.”

    Remember Whitwater?

    The ref’s have been deliberately looking the other way, every time the Rethug’s have engaged in illegal tackles, nut kicking and even Full 3 Stooges eye poking, for the past 40 years.

    In the same time period they have constantly called ever offside, footfault and audible on the Democratic Party at all times, going so far as to make shit up and try to call back goals for imaginary infractions.

    You arn’t going to get anywhere with nut kicking or even trying to work the refs.

  199. 199.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    May 21, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    This is going last up until Trump makes being “white male” a humiliating insult.

  200. 200.

    Jay

    May 21, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    The Onion was done a long time ago, from Jan. 17, 2001:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/politics.theonion.com/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-prosperi-1819565882/amp

  201. 201.

    randy khan

    May 21, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    What do you mean “without success”? He got the loan, didn’t he?

  202. 202.

    stinger

    May 21, 2018 at 3:01 pm

    @Steeplejack: I checked out the link before screeching. My screech connoted a similarity of style and intent, rather than an identity of person. I’m of the opinion still. Again, I’d be happy to be proven wrong. Which hasn’t happened yet, and likely won’t be by any third-party efforts. But thanks for trying — it shows you have a good heart.

    Signed,
    A. Screecher

  203. 203.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    My God. Why is Tony Shaffer on MSNBC’s air right now? WHY!?

  204. 204.

    schrodingers_cat

    May 21, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    @tobie: Putin.

  205. 205.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    May 21, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    @Libraryguy: Thank you – we truly value fair play, and recognize the threat posed by unmitigated corruption.

  206. 206.

    mad citizen

    May 21, 2018 at 3:10 pm

    Having a great travel day, stuck at O Hare for 3 to 4 hours, cancelled flight, rebooking etc. All I want to say to Betty’s post and many other action-oriented thoughts is Fuckin’ A!

  207. 207.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 3:10 pm

    @randy khan: He sure did! And China got restrictions pulled off industry that might have cost them billions in future growth. See how easy that is?

  208. 208.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 3:10 pm

    @Corner Stone: I keep thinking of the dark joke from 2005-06, ‘the US-Iraq War is over, and Iran won.” Putin (and Sanders and Comey) fucked up the ’16 election, and China won.

  209. 209.

    mad citizen

    May 21, 2018 at 3:14 pm

    Oh, on the plane I read the Wired story on Meuller’s Vietnam experience. Pretty good piece. I’m positive if there are crimes committed his team is finding them, but like most of you, hurry up! As someone posted the other day, a major card played this week would be nice.

  210. 210.

    WaterGirl

    May 21, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    @germy: Imm’s succinct list last week was even better.

  211. 211.

    Peale

    May 21, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    @Corner Stone: You’re not looking at the big picture. He got an agreement! For them to buy things that they were already likely to buy like agricultural goods and LNG. Victory!

  212. 212.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    @mad citizen: the way the O-rage-atang is stalking around his cage, flinging twitter-poo and chewing on his tireswing, you get the feeling maybe something’s brewing.

    How did the news about the Saudi/UAE meeting with DJTJ get out? Another pre-emptive leak from the defense? Abbe Lowell trying to knee-cap Junior to save Jared’s narrow behind?

  213. 213.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    @Peale: As we are all aware, Trump is the best negotiator, ever.

  214. 214.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    “I can’t put a timeline on it, but at the end of the day, the Iranian people will decide the timeline,” Pompeo said at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative thinktank in Washington. “The Iranian people will get to make a choice about their leadership. If they make the decision quickly that will be wonderful. If they choose not to do so, we will stay hard at this until we achieve the outcomes that I set forth.”

    Among the 12 conditions laid down by Pompeo were: demand Iran to give a full account of its alleged past work on nuclear weapons development; stop all uranium enrichment; halt launches of nuclear-capable ballistic missiles; end its support for Hamas, Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad; withdraw all forces under Iranian command from Syria; and end support for Houthi rebels in Yemen.

    Pompeo said the Trump administration would not separate negotiations over Iran’s nuclear programme from other issues like regional conflicts and missile development.

    A recipe for complete disaster.

  215. 215.

    Tokyokie

    May 21, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    KJU already owns Trump’s stupid ass. He and Xi are looking to rent it out while Putin isn’t whipping it. Is there anybody Trump won’t sell out to?

    A black man.

  216. 216.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    Report: Hillary Clinton to Endorse Andrew Cuomo Over Cynthia Nixon

  217. 217.

    Steeplejack

    May 21, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    @Peale:

    I thought we were selling all our LNG to Morocco. Get Scott Pruitt on the secure phone-booth line!

  218. 218.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 3:35 pm

    @germy:
    Link?

    I don’t like Cuomo, but I don’t like Nixon for the fact that she has refused to release her tax returns.

  219. 219.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    May 21, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    @Peale:
    So no soybean farms going out of business in red states? Fuck.

  220. 220.

    Stan

    May 21, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    @SFAW: I think someone — not Pelosi, but someone with good name recognition — should say, every day, that Shitgibbon is acting the way a guilty person acts when he’s trying to keep the rest of the world from learning the truth. Eventually, that can transform into “What is he trying to hide NOW?” every time he says something.

    yes.

    Good job for our prospective 2020 presidential candidates. Take him on now and see how they do

  221. 221.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/05/hillary-clinton-endorse-andrew-cuomo-over-cynthia-nixon.html

  222. 222.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    Cynthia Nixon’s tax return shows more than $1M in gross income
    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/…/cynthia-nixon-tax-return/581552002/

    May 4, 2018 – The Democratic primary challenger and “Sex and the City” star made her 2017 tax return available to reporters Friday.

  223. 223.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    Rouhani has straight shade and a burn on Pompeo and this admin.
    I saw the quote on MSNBC but they did not attribute. I found this source online so FWIW, Bourse&Bazaar
    “But Rouhani dismissed the administration of President Donald Trump as a
    “move 15 years backwards to the era of Bush junior and a repeat of the same
    statements as 2003.”
    “The world does not accept the logic by which a gentleman who was head of the spy service… decides for others,” said Rouhani, referring to Pompeo’s recent job as head of the CIA.”

  224. 224.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    @stinger: I was getting a spidey sense too.

  225. 225.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    @germy: IMO, Clinton’s endorsement of Cuomo probably helps Nixon. It certainly can’t hurt her at this stage.

  226. 226.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    Off topic, but

    A solar panel that can generate electricity from falling raindrops has been invented, enabling power to flow even when skies cloud over or the sun has set.

    Solar power installation is soaring globally thanks to costs plunging 90% in the past decade, making it the cheapest electricity in many parts of the world. But the power output can plummet under grey skies and researchers are working to squeeze even more electricity from panels.

    The new device, demonstrated in a laboratory at Soochow University in China, places two transparent polymer layers on top of a solar photovoltaic (PV) cell. When raindrops fall on to the layers and then roll off, the friction generates a static electricity charge.

    “Our device can always generate electricity in any daytime weather,” said Baoquan Sun, at Soochow University. “In addition, this device even provides electricity at night if there is rain.”

  227. 227.

    burnspbesq

    May 21, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Lieu takes his marching orders from AIPAC.

    Shit, a crock of, that is. GFY.

  228. 228.

    Jonothan

    May 21, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    @No Drought No More: Phew (seriously)!

  229. 229.

    Jay

    May 21, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    @germy:

    “The New York Times reports that Hillary Clinton, in a rare public endorsement since the 2016 election, is expected to announce that she’s backing Cuomo over activist and actress Cynthia Nixon at a state party convention in Long Island this week. Numerous elected officials have already offered their support of Cuomo, including New York junior senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who endorsed him shortly after Nixon announced her run.”

    Given how much Hillary Hate, libtard triggering and Ghoulianni/Trump dick sucking the FTFNYT is engaged in, I’ll wait until there is an actual public endorsement from Hillary Clinton.

  230. 230.

    James Powell

    May 21, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    Can’t imagine what that’s all about. I’m for making it mandatory.

  231. 231.

    Elizabelle

    May 21, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    Moar FTF NY Times: their top website headline at the moment:

    TOP NEWS
    Trump’s Charm and Threats May Not Be Working on China

    What charm? And if he had any, shouldn’t he use some of it on Americans?

    Vichy NY Times.

  232. 232.

    SFAW

    May 21, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    @Libraryguy:

    I feel like that’s what she was saying, that’s all.

    I disagree, but that’s me. Not a problem.

  233. 233.

    pluky

    May 21, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    @Barbara: The entire eastern seaboard will flood back to where ever the local fall line is. In some places, that can be WAY inland.

  234. 234.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    @Jay: She backed Stacey Abrams and I wish she hadn’t.

  235. 235.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    This is a little lighter fare for the afternoon. Click through to watch a cat redirect a Roomba like it ain’t a thang.
    Brief twit GIF.

  236. 236.

    catclub

    May 21, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @germy: why do I think this is goofy? Solar input is non-negligible number of watts per sq meter. I suspect that the energy density of raindrops sliding down the solar panel is not very high.
    Calculation: raindrops mass on panel is 20g/sq m, and they slide 0.6m down in 10 seconds.

    delta PE/sec = mgh/time = 20g *9.8* 0.6 /10 = 9.8watts I think all of my estimates were generous. never mind how efficiently those 10W are converted into electrical energy.

  237. 237.

    catclub

    May 21, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @TenguPhule: who wants to bet there will be mis-spellings on the coin?

  238. 238.

    Jay

    May 21, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    @JPL:

    She can back whom ever she want’s. The DCC and DNC backings are more of an issue.

  239. 239.

    Bill Arnold

    May 21, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    @bemused:
    Let’s see how B Obama fares on published material:
    14 articles listed in pubmed
    another in Science, and another in Harvard Law Review

  240. 240.

    eric

    May 21, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @catclub: They’re going two bee.

  241. 241.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 21, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    Ok, if it’s our last shot, what do we do if we lose?

  242. 242.

    Jay

    May 21, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    @catclub:

    Full summer moonlight on my 2kw solar array, generates on average a 1.5 amp/hour charge overnight. That’s just a trickle charge, but it keeps the batteries topped up.

    If you don’t use a lot of electricity, even nominal amounts are significant.

    A significant portion of solar arrays and installs are micro-power projects for places that have never had electricity, not even generators. A few amp hours can charge a cell phone, a radio, a flashlight or lantern. A few amps at night can be a big deal, in places that have no power, or cumulatively, in large arrays.

  243. 243.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    @Jay: I know.

  244. 244.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Full capitulation from Rosenstein.

  245. 245.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Business Insider @ businessinsider
    People are threatening to boycott Netflix after the Obamas signed a deal with the streaming service

  246. 246.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    @Corner Stone: What did Rosenstein agree to? Couldn’t find anything on the WashPost front page.

  247. 247.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    @tobie: They are giving the classified source info to J Kelly and Congressional Leaders. According to MSNBC.
    The IG investigation to include a look into Trump’s campaign “irregularities”.

  248. 248.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    Joyce Alene
    ‏Verified account @JoyceWhiteVance
    6m6 minutes ago

    Reminder: Trump is a subject of the investigation he will apparently succeed in obtaining evidence in & that no subject is entitled to during a criminal investigation. This is unprecedented.

  249. 249.

    dww44

    May 21, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    @JPL: Why do you wish that Clinton had not endorsed Stacey Abrams? BTW, I got a robo call today from Clinton endorsing the Stacey with an “A”. But, interestingly, Stacey Evans traveled south to this part of the state a couple of months ago and asked for and received the endorsement of several local officials, including some African-American ones.

    The two Dem primary candidates are attacking each other on policy issues, mainly the lottery funded hope scholarships. The 4 GOP candidates are all trying to out trump each other. There is a real difference between the two parties. But we Dems almost have to have a truly charismatic candidate to gain any traction in the state wide elections. It’s too early to tell if we are gonna have a chance in November.

  250. 250.

    tobie

    May 21, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    @Corner Stone: Thanks. I need to find a rock to crawl under for a while.

  251. 251.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    May 21, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    They are inherently unstable in the long-run.

    They seem to be hideously unstable in the short run to. The current Trump master plan is “Worse than Watergate”so we’re back to Obama is the shadow president of the United States and Trump is president in name only. It really seems like all that is needed is the right shoe to drop and the Conservatives will abandon Trump is droves.

  252. 252.

    Mnemosyne

    May 21, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    @catclub:

    The article made it sound like they came up with a more efficient way to collect the static electricity from the raindrop slides without affecting the solar collection part, but math frightens and confuses me, so I don’t know how they did it other than by getting the tiny wizards who run my computer to cast some additional spells. ?‍♂️

  253. 253.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 5:29 pm

    The deputy attorney general made a compromise in probing alleged political bias in the Russia investigation. Some saw it as a deft maneuver, but it also helps Trump politicize the investigation.

    This is how you turn a source to treason.

    First you get them to take baby steps.

    Then before they know it, they’re in too deep and its betray your country or fry.

    Rosenstein is being led by Trump into treason. Fucking idiot.

  254. 254.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    @dww44: I voted for Abrams, but actually think Evans aligns with me more. Abrams worked with republicans to loosen state banking regulations and the hope scholarship. Those actions bother me greatly. Now I voted for her hoping that she can bring out the vote to flip some state seats. A democrat will not win the governorship, but someone who can turnout votes might flip other seats. I wasn’t going to vote in the primary, but changed my mind.
    The repubs will use the Bernie and Hillary backing against her in order to draw their supporters to the polls.

    We live in strange times.

  255. 255.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Trump is a subject of the investigation he will apparently succeed in obtaining evidence in & that no subject is entitled to during a criminal investigation.

    I look forward to our shining new era of every criminal suspect being in the American Justice system allowed unfettered access to any and all investigations into them. //

  256. 256.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    @dww44: Another thing.. During the debate Sunday, Abrams was quite strong on further tax cuts. One of my friends who is a republican and is black refuses to vote. I told her that was her choice, but remember when religious liberty is passed, that is discrimination.

  257. 257.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    @TenguPhule: Although unlikely if charged with a crime, I am hearby demanding to know what party they vote in. Also I want this access stuff.

  258. 258.

    ruemara

    May 21, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    @JPL: Just an FYI, but the people who need to be motivated to come out and vote for Abrams, are not the people who’d be turned off by HRC endorsing her.

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Earthquakes are inherently unstable yet manage to cause permanent damage.

  259. 259.

    Rand Careaga

    May 21, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    @eemom:

    “When they go low, we go high.”

    My preferred take is “When they kick us in the shin, we go for their nuts.”

  260. 260.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    All the subjects of criminal investigation can “demand” that prosecutors turn over investigation materials prior to indictment.

    Then they can “demand” the federal police force investigate their political enemies. And the federal police force will comply!

    This is normal. Sure it is. Another nothingburger.

  261. 261.

    Kay

    May 21, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    David Beard
    ‏@dabeard
    10h10 hours ago
    More
    US ambassador quits, says of Trump: “He’s like a velociraptor. He has to be boss, and if you don’t show him deference he kills you.”

    If anyone is interested, this is the honorable way to deal with a corrupt President. All this nonsense about “working on the inside” is just that- nonsense. He’s compromising all of them. They’re kidding themselves if they think they can stay in those jobs and not get infected.

    Every single one of them has been tainted and lessened because they cooperated with him. They will not be the same people when he’s done with them- they will be worse.

  262. 262.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    May 21, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    How? It’s high time for the Republicans to have their own version of 2010.

    Not to mention were were these Good Republicans during the special elections when the off cycle dynamics naturally favored the Republicans?

  263. 263.

    jonas

    May 21, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    I think it needs to be pointed out and emphasized between now and November, and even more heading towards 2020, that it’s bloody obvious that Trump and the Republicans will try to use the IC to infiltrate Democratic campaigns. He thinks it was done to him, because that’s precisely what he’d do. So why not do it? Nixon’s only mistake was getting caught. Wray and Rosenstein appear in turns to defy and then obsequiously defend Trump, so it’s hard to tell what they’d do.

  264. 264.

    J R in WV

    May 21, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    @Betty Cracker: I think “errors” like the FTF NYTimes is making are no errors.

    And absolutely: the headline and blurb are all that most people see, especially if they’re not subscribers and there is a paywall.

    They can’t be errors. If someone made one of those errors in any real newspaper, they would be out of there, fired for cause, the next morning. Their stuff would be in a box at the front door, they wouldn’t be allowed into the offices.

    These aren’t trivial “errors” at all! They transform the meaning of the real facts into the reverse of the reality. This happened to Hillary Clinton when the security staff classified information published in the N Y Times… how can anyone justify that?

    Her private email server was to provide a private non-government communications tool for her private affairs, completely aside from her public responsibilities within the government. So the FBI found that her private email server was only used for her private personal purposes, except for the data they classified retroactively, and Trump was conspiring with multiple foreign governments before, during and after the election.

    But Hillary was whom Comey trashed in his public pronouncements, and Trump was… not mentioned at all. Evil at work in Comey’s heart right there. He should be indicted by Mueller’s team in the grand climax for failure to follow clear existing government policy and procedure. Then let him drown in defending himself for his many indefensible acts.

  265. 265.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    @Kay:

    If anyone is interested, this is the honorable way to deal with a corrupt President.

    Of course this means that the only people left in government are increasingly Fascist Republicans.

  266. 266.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    @jonas:

    Wray and Rosenstein appear in turns to defy and then obsequiously defend Trump, so it’s hard to tell what they’d do.

    They’ll cave and fall in line.

    That’s the only thing reliable about Republicans anymore.

    They will surrender to evil. Always.

  267. 267.

    JPL

    May 21, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    @ruemara: True, but she needs to attract females of both parties. It’s so upside down because it was Evans who needed the Hope Scholarship the most to climb out of poverty. The Abrams vote on the banking regulation really bothered me.
    Lucy McBath is running in the 6th only on gun control and who could blame her. I voted for Abel because he wants health care, DACA and health care. Plus he lives across the street from my son. They tried to convince McBath to run for a state seat, but no avail. I can’t imagine what it is like to lose a son, so I don’t blame her.

  268. 268.

    Brachiator

    May 21, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    @Kay:

    US ambassador quits, says of Trump: “He’s like a velociraptor. He has to be boss, and if you don’t show him deference he kills you.”

    If anyone is interested, this is the honorable way to deal with a corrupt President. All this nonsense about “working on the inside” is just that- nonsense. He’s compromising all of them. They’re kidding themselves if they think they can stay in those jobs and not get infected.

    I don’t know. It’s a tough call. This is not high school, where we declare that Trump’s got cooties. And many people take an oath to uphold the Constitution, not to be Trump puppets. And the government will continue to operate with Trump replacements for whoever resigns.

    There are no optimal solutions until we vote the bastards out of office. And fortunately, there are a lot of people working hard to make that happen.

  269. 269.

    debbie

    May 21, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    @Kay:

    Even rats know when to jump ship.

  270. 270.

    debbie

    May 21, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    @debbie:

    P.S. Sherrod Brown’s already running ads against Renacci. I saw it three times this weekend. Labeling him as a swampy lobbyist. Wonder if that will stick?

  271. 271.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 6:04 pm

    @Kay:

    All this nonsense about “working on the inside” is just that- nonsense. He’s compromising all of them. They’re kidding themselves if they think they can stay in those jobs and not get infected.

    There is no one home. Trump lives inside his own head. These people are just as egotistical and stupid as Comey was/is.
    What’s that you say, McMaster? Oh, nothing amirite? You’re not saying shit now, are you?

  272. 272.

    Brachiator

    May 21, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    Some reactions to the White House calling MS-13 “animals.”

    The White House press release also claimed that “recent investigations have revealed MS-13 gang leaders based in El Salvador have been sending representatives into the United States illegally to connect the leaders with local gang members.”

    But academics have noted that “there appears to be no empirical evidence that MS-13 members in the United States are overwhelmingly foreign-born nationals.”

    The police chief in Montgomery County, the suburb outside Washington DC, told the Times earlier this year that “MS-13 is certainly a threat, just not the one the president is making it out to be.”

    Trump is scheduled to visit Long Island this Wednesday, where he is expected to talk about the need to deport MS-13 gang members.

  273. 273.

    debbie

    May 21, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    My guess is that he’s otherwise occupied at the moment.

  274. 274.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    @debbie: While that is a personal tragedy, I don’t think it’s tracking to the subject at hand.

  275. 275.

    John Fremont

    May 21, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    @jonas: This!!!!

  276. 276.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    @Corner Stone: Tragedy or pointed message by Russia?

  277. 277.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    @Brachiator:

    And the government will continue to operate with Trump replacements for whoever resigns.

    There are only so many clogs that the machine can take before crashing to a halt.

    The Republicans are trying to break the federal government. The people working in it are only human.

  278. 278.

    germy

    May 21, 2018 at 6:30 pm

    Michael Cohen threatened The Onion a few years ago, and they’ve finally released the letter and their response.
    https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-has-finally-read-michael-cohen-s-2013-email-1826197533

    We would be more than willing to accommodate Mr. Cohen’s wishes—provided we get something in return, of course. A quid pro quo, if you will.

    We believe the removal of the piece in exchange for influence over the president’s decision-making constitutes a more than reasonable deal, and we implore Mr. Cohen to meet with us without delay. We are happy to schedule around his upcoming court appearances.

  279. 279.

    Brachiator

    May 21, 2018 at 6:30 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    And the government will continue to operate with Trump replacements for whoever resigns.

    There are only so many clogs that the machine can take before crashing to a halt.

    The federal government is not going to crash to a halt, and you would not want it to even if it could. Would you stop paying federal workers? Stop sending out Social Security checks?

  280. 280.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 21, 2018 at 6:41 pm

    anybody thrown up the Fresh (Open) Thread Bat Signal yet?

  281. 281.

    Corner Stone

    May 21, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Looks like we got one about Oscar the Grouch.

  282. 282.

    TenguPhule

    May 21, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    @Brachiator:

    The federal government is not going to crash to a halt,

    What remains will not be the federal government as we remember it. There will be something there. It will perform enough of the functions that things probably keep going, but it will not be the non-partisan professional civil service of the last century. It will be a foul machine of bribes, favoritism and corruption.

  283. 283.

    Tehanu

    May 21, 2018 at 11:45 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: It’s the short run I’m worried about. It’s so much easier to destroy than to build. And I have grandchildren who may have to clean up this mess.

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