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You are here: Home / Pet Blogging / Dog Blogging / Open Thread: I’m Objectively *FOR* Getting Trump Out of the White House

Open Thread: I’m Objectively *FOR* Getting Trump Out of the White House

by Anne Laurie|  June 7, 20186:57 pm| 207 Comments

This post is in: Dog Blogging, Dolt 45, Election 2018, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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The way my dog eats watermelon is everything ?? pic.twitter.com/DOnklK9uEP

— jenelle (@JenelleBnstr) June 5, 2018


 
Because some of us are capable of as much discrimination as that dog, pundits…

(scene: a restaurant somewhere)

Waiter: Ready to order?

Dem: I'll have the steak.

Pundit: You can't just be AGAINST pork! You have to be FOR something!

Dem: I'm FOR steak.

Pundit: Being ANTI-PORK isn't enough to win!

Dem: I just…

Pundit: This is why Trump won, ya know.

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) June 7, 2018

Today’s @NBCNews poll shows that running against Trump is a much better position in the fall than running with him by a huge margin. While Trump is popular among GOP primary voters, he is poisonous among general election voters.

— Matthew Dowd (@matthewjdowd) June 7, 2018

So a better question the media should ask instead of what are Dems going to run on besides being against Trump, is what are Republicans going to run on besides being for Trump and his agenda? https://t.co/A35aSBeOwi

— Matthew Dowd (@matthewjdowd) June 7, 2018

WsJ/NBC poll: "By a whopping 25-point margin, voters say they're more likely to back a congressional candidate who promises to serve as a check on President Donald Trump"https://t.co/zUnYuPWGQq

— Tim Mak (@timkmak) June 7, 2018

This number will only worsen for R’s.

You can sell an empty promise.

Once it’s sold and you don’t deliver though, you’re in for some major anger from the people who actually believed you… https://t.co/wegIj8rZUn

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) June 7, 2018

"Don't make it about Trump" has been dumb all along. I've been saying forever that in the end it's going to be 80-90% about Trump. Candidates would be stupid to not talk about other things. They have to. But it'll mostly be about standing up to or rolling over for Trump. https://t.co/LDCP0g0zbu

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) June 7, 2018

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207Comments

  1. 1.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 7, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    Democratic candidates for office should do the opposite of what the media advises them to do.

  2. 2.

    MattF

    June 7, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    Relevant NYT column from Charles Blow on staying angry with Trump.

  3. 3.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 7, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    Now I want John to make a video of Lily eating watermelon. She would be so dainty, so delicate, so well-behaved.

    Rosie and Thurston, OTOH….

  4. 4.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Democratic candidates for office should do the opposite of what the media advises them to do.

    Running on a convict and imprison Trump platform seems like a winner.

  5. 5.

    Schlemazel

    June 7, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Words to live by. The media is NOT your friend

  6. 6.

    khead

    June 7, 2018 at 7:06 pm

    Mr. Dowd? Mr. Mak? Meet Joe Manchin.

  7. 7.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    The only feelings that will be hurt by bashing Trump are those of people who never would have voted for a Democrat in the first place.

  8. 8.

    p.a.

    June 7, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    Mark Penn on line 2.
    “Just hang up.”

  9. 9.

    rikyrah

    June 7, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    Just dust ??

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1004737889345921029?s=20

  10. 10.

    geg6

    June 7, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    My John and I are, as we speak, planning on cutting up some watermelon and trying that with Koda and Lovey. Koda will chomp it down like a pig because that’s how she rolls with food. But if Lovey deigns to eat it, it will be the daintiest thing ever because that is how she rolls with food. Always the daintiest eater. Not with anything else, but finicky and dainty about eating.

  11. 11.

    rikyrah

    June 7, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    That first tweet is EVERYTHING???

  12. 12.

    p.a.

    June 7, 2018 at 7:12 pm

    MSM CW: Don’t badmouth trump voters. It’ll only make them more trump vote-ier. Or something…

  13. 13.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    @khead:

    In fact, the senator, up for reelection in a state Trump won by more than 40 points, told POLITICO he isn’t ruling out endorsing Trump for reelection in 2020 — a position practically unheard of for a politician with a “D” next to his name.

    At times, Manchin was the only Democrat who clapped during Trump’s State of the Union address. This spring, Manchin killed liberals’ hopes of blocking Gina Haspel for CIA director by getting behind her early. Manchin supported Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Neil Gorsuch, voted for now-embattled EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt and even backed the president’s hard-line immigration proposal.

    “I’m with him sometimes more than other Republican senators are with him,” Manchin said.

    But Manchin has been frustrated that every time he thinks he’s got the president in a moderate place on immigration or background checks for guns, Trump goes to the right.

    He had an infamously chilly relationship with President Barack Obama — he still refuses to talk about who he voted for in 2012 — and now has regrets about supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016.

    Manchin sometimes sounds apologetic for the times he’s gone against Trump. He likes DeVos but said her lack of experience forced his hand.

    And he admits that it would have made his reelection campaign much easier had he voted for the tax reform bill. He spent months trying to work with the GOP on it and received assurances from Trump, who badly wanted a Democrat on board. But Manchin said he couldn’t go along because the legislation killed Obamacare’s individual mandate and cut taxes on the wealthy.

  14. 14.

    debbie

    June 7, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    @geg6:

    And she’s related to Thurston???

  15. 15.

    p.a.

    June 7, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    @geg6:

    My John and I…

    I’m not an editor, but I have stayed at Holiday Inn, and I suggest a rewrite.

  16. 16.

    Chip Daniels

    June 7, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    When your house is on fire, no one ever scolds you by saying “You need to run TOWARDS something, not just away from fire!”

    Literally, almost any conceivable policy position the Democrats could take, is better than Trump.

  17. 17.

    hitchhiker

    June 7, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    Speaking of Trump voters, can any of you explain what it is they think is going to be in the IG report that’s been promised for next week? I saw a tweet about how there would be multiple indictments of HRC, Obama, Susan Rice, Eric Holder, James Comey, and so on. Is the idea that all these people conspired to illegally force Trump campaign officials to meet with spies?

  18. 18.

    Mary G

    June 7, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    @rikyrah: Teachers rule.

    @SiubhanDuinne: @geg6: I’m imagining John on the back porch with all three dogs and a watermelon and giggling. Take some pictures of Koda and Lovey trying it.

  19. 19.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    Of course it’s about Trump. Midterm elections are always about the President, even if they’re not on the ballot. A couple of years ago, I graphed the relationship between Presidential approval and midterm performance. There’s a very clear trend, though there’s enough scatter that making a quantitative prediction isn’t a good idea.

    (details: Polling is Gallup job approval in late October, except for 1974 where it’s an average of Nixon’s last approval poll and Ford’s immediate pre-election approval. Net shift in seats is the change in the partisan balance, i.e. a single seat flipping R->D would be a net shift of 2)

  20. 20.

    rikyrah

    June 7, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    @MattF:
    We should keep our anger.

  21. 21.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    @hitchhiker:

    Speaking of Trump voters, can any of you explain what it is they think

    I believe I’ve spotted the error you made.

  22. 22.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 7, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    @geg6:

    ❤️❤️❤️

    Please to have camera at the ready!

  23. 23.

    MattF

    June 7, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    @dmsilev: Looks like two clusters. And Trump clearly belongs to the lower cluster.

  24. 24.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    For his part, Abe said Trump “fully understands” the need to bring home at least a dozen Japanese citizens held by North Korea. Trump “is one of the leaders who understands the issue the most, the greatest”, he added.

    Abe is so going to get serious pushback in Japan for this.

  25. 25.

    MomSense

    June 7, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    @rikyrah:

    That was beautiful.

  26. 26.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:29 pm

    Sounds like a promising Trump inspired business.

    The stories of Americans calling police on people of color who are just going about their daily lives have gone viral multiple times, and prompted a national debate about everyday racism.

    So one has to wonder what a Silicon Valley startup was thinking when it programmed its electric scooters to yell at people: “Unlock me to ride me, or I’ll call the police.”

    A female voice from within Lime’s e-scooters shouts the threat to anyone who tries to fiddle with the rides without downloading the app and paying. The company has also set their rides to blast cartoonish robot noises so loud that heads turn on busy city streets.

    The threat immediately repeats on high volume and is the first and only sound the scooter makes. The words blare after less than a minute of a person standing on and exploring the buttons of the scooters, which Lime has been dumping on sidewalks throughout the US with little warning and without government approval.

    There’s no evidence that the obnoxious feature actually leads to an automated call to police

  27. 27.

    rikyrah

    June 7, 2018 at 7:29 pm

    Who speaks for Mueller?
    Rudy is trying to?

    https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1004843824571736064?s=20

  28. 28.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:30 pm

    @rikyrah: Dick Whisperer.

  29. 29.

    p.a.

    June 7, 2018 at 7:30 pm

    There are issues of governance, and THE ISSUE OF TRUMP. Since the Rethugs are lockstep with trump, this shouldn’t be that hard (and I’m usually a pessimist) Rethugs will try to promote some wiggle room: I spoke against X,Y,Z…
    But they voted…
    Their only option is going full culture war. It’s worked before. A lot.

  30. 30.

    MomSense

    June 7, 2018 at 7:31 pm

    @hitchhiker:

    Yes, I can explain. Insane in the membrane.

  31. 31.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:33 pm

    @hitchhiker:

    Is the idea that all these people conspired to illegally force Trump campaign officials to meet with spies?

    “Not the Puppet, Not the Puppet, You’re the Puppet” as a Plan of Action.

  32. 32.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    @rikyrah: I didn’t put it that way, but in my head I was like, “uh HUH”.

  33. 33.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    @MattF: Trump’s approval has never made it out of the low 40s. I think the highest he’s managed is like 44 or so. The other thing, which the graph doesn’t capture, is disapproval rating. With some Presidents, there’s a substantial number of people who have a “no idea” or “mixed opinion” or whatever. With Trump, his disapproval (and also “strong disapproval”) is just about everyone outside of the GOP base.

  34. 34.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    That reminds me of something that happened when I was in college:

    I was sitting in my university apartment when I kept hearing an electronic voice outside repeating something over and over again. I looked out and a group of kids about 11-12 years old were standing in a circle around a parked car. They all took one step forward, and the car said, “Attention! You are standing too close to this vehicle! Attention!”

    Then the kids all took one big step back, waited for the car to reset itself, and took one big step forward.

    “Attention! You are standing too close to this vehicle! Attention!”

    I bet that guy never figured out why his car battery died. ?????

  35. 35.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    @p.a.: Maybe lower case?

  36. 36.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:39 pm

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and other top Democrats are vowing to abide by fiscally hawkish pay-as-you-go rules if they seize the majority next year, rejecting calls from liberals who feel they’d be an impediment to big legislative gains.

    Pelosi, who adopted “pay-go” rules when she held the Speaker’s gavel more than a decade ago, says she’ll push to do it again if the Democrats win the House in November’s midterm elections.

    “Democrats are committed to pay-as-you-go,” Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said Tuesday, affirming the policy would be a 2019 priority.

    Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), the minority whip, is also endorsing the notion that a Democratic majority should adopt the budget-neutral rules next year.

    FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!

    What are you fucking doing, Pelosi?! We’re on the verge of a Trump caused economic crash and you do this NOW of all times?! The GOP just fucking BLED the budget revenues with Tax Cuts, remember!

  37. 37.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 7:39 pm

    Wow. I love this shit. Pundit asks a false question, and then proceeds to give a stupid, poorly thought out answer to his own damn question.

    A moment of perfect self-masturbatory emptiness.

  38. 38.

    Amir Khalid

    June 7, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    @p.a.:
    The lady said, “My John and I”, not “my john and I”. I do believe the difference is significant. :)

  39. 39.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    @Mnemosyne: This company is so obnoxious and arrogant that Honolulu cracked down on the stupid fuckers by having the cops simply confiscate the scooters under the “no littering” statute.

  40. 40.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Democratic candidates for office should do the opposite of what the media advises them to do.

    I agree. And it makes me furious when D’s, or nominal D’s, start parroting the same talking point BS. I saw former SFO Mayor Willie Brown on MSNBC over the weekend repeating the same garbage for a 15 minute segment. He’s not the only one that seems to be desperate for a spotlight by spouting this same bullshit about D politics.

  41. 41.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 7:45 pm

    No, Michael Steele. The D’s do not need an 8pt or double digit polling lead to make gains in the midterms. FU.

  42. 42.

    zhena gogolia

    June 7, 2018 at 7:46 pm

    @MattF:

    The “Reader’s Picks” comments on that article are so filled with rage. So are the WaPo comments on virtually any story concerning DJT. I keep thinking this kind of rage (which I don’t recall EVER seeing before) has to translate into votes, doesn’t it? Doesn’t it?

    ETA: To be clear, I mean rage against Trump and his supporters.

  43. 43.

    Mnemosyne

    June 7, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Sorry, what Democratic legislation did you think Trump was going to sign? When he loses the House, he’s going to be PISSED as only a toxic narcissist can be.

  44. 44.

    eclare

    June 7, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    I need to try that with my dog!

  45. 45.

    MagdaInBlack

    June 7, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    @rikyrah:
    ✨?✨
    That made my day.

  46. 46.

    MisterForkbeard

    June 7, 2018 at 7:53 pm

    @hitchhiker: IIRC, the IG report is supposed to say bad things about Comey because he went against policy and the explicit recommendations of his superiors to publicly attack Hillary Clinton twice.

    There’s also supposed to be some level of criticism levelled at Loretta Lynch for… talking to Bill Clinton on the tarmac. I guess we can compare this to Trump literally calling in the FBI multiple times and asking for inside information on the investigation into his campaign, or any of his obstruction of justice.

  47. 47.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 7:54 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and other top Democrats are vowing to abide by fiscally hawkish pay-as-you-go rules if they seize the majority next year.

    I hope she is selling this to fool the Republicans.

  48. 48.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah, this. Even if we take the Senate (a much steeper hill to climb than the House, but not impossible), there’s no chance of anything resembling major legislation passing until 2021.

  49. 49.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    @eclare: It’s safe except you want to remove seeds, and not let the dog eat the rind.

  50. 50.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Assuming the House tries to pass a federal budget, we start off about six feet to the Right of where we want to be. And that’s before some unexpected but totally predictable disaster suddenly needs federal money. Committing to pay-go ahead of time limits future Democratic options. Its an unforced error which is gonna come back to bite us.

  51. 51.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 7:59 pm

    @dmsilev:

    there’s no chance of anything resembling major legislation passing until 2021.

    I guarantee that should the economy start going south, there is going to be immense pressure on Congress to “DO SOMETHING”.

  52. 52.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    June 7, 2018 at 7:59 pm

    Has anyone asked Pelosi if they win control of the House that they’ll expand the number of seats to what they should be according to current population?

  53. 53.

    MisterForkbeard

    June 7, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    @Brachiator: I can absolutely see this as a “The House is going to take Trump’s proposals and carefully consider them before refusing all of them because they do terrible things financially to everyone.”

    We were seeing some indications from Dems even earlier this week that after Republican budget shenanigans they were feeling much less inclined to worry about the deficit. In this case, I hope they basically give Trump the finger and fail his proposals on this criteria alone, and propose Democratic solutions that also have negative budgetary impacts but use republican magical thinking to make them budget neutral.

  54. 54.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    OH my! We are going to war with Canada.. Guess who

    Prime Minister Trudeau is being so indignant, bringing up the relationship that the U.S. and Canada had over the many years and all sorts of other things…but he doesn’t bring up the fact that they charge us up to 300% on dairy — hurting our Farmers, killing our Agriculture!

  55. 55.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I hope she is selling this to fool the Republicans.

    I’m afraid its genuine. Rules of the game have changed, but I don’t see our party adapting to the New Game we’re playing fast enough.

  56. 56.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    @TenguPhule: And what exact “something” can they do without Trump’s willingness to sign?

  57. 57.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    @JPL:

    Prime Minister Trudeau is being so indignant, bringing up the relationship that the U.S. and Canada had over the many years and all sorts of other things

    Like having our back on every major conflict we’ve been in for the last HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS.

    Trump is going to achieve the impossible, he’s going to make Canada a hostile nation.

  58. 58.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    @JPL: He’s getting pissy because it’s dawning on him that Mexico and Canada aren’t willing to simply rip up NAFTA Because Donald Says So.

  59. 59.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Sorry, what Democratic legislation did you think Trump was going to sign? When he loses the House, he’s going to be PISSED as only a toxic narcissist can be.

    I’m hoping he loses the House. I want to see him pissed.

    It would be even better if he lost both houses.

    I want to see a House with a Democratic Party majority introduce a boatload of good legislation. Doesn’t matter if the Republicans blood it or Trump vetoes it. It will be ammunition for 2020. And if some of it passes, that’s even better.

  60. 60.

    Wapiti

    June 7, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    @Mnemosyne: That’s a very good point. So Pelosi will have the ability to do investigation/oversight, and pass baseline spending bills. Depending on Muller’s team’s results, and the willingness of Repubs who survive a blue wave to moderate themselves, she can revisit the pay-go rule.

  61. 61.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    @dmsilev:

    And what exact “something” can they do without Trump’s willingness to sign?

    They’ll be immense pressure on the Democrats to make concessions so that Trump signs “anything”. That kind of emotional panic isn’t rational. Remember what the GOP did to President Obama’s bailout programs to get us out of the Great Recession. This time, they’re in a position to make things much worse.

  62. 62.

    p.a.

    June 7, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    @Corner Stone: I considered that but couldn’t resist the chance for an obnoxious comment.

  63. 63.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Trump is going to achieve the impossible, he’s going to make Canada a hostile nation.

    In college, I took a poli-sci course in which the TA argued that the best reason for the US to maintain a nuclear arsenal was to deter the vicious Quebecois from streaming across the border and assimilating half of New England.

    He may, just may, have been less than serious.

  64. 64.

    eclare

    June 7, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    @JPL: Thanks!

  65. 65.

    SRW1

    June 7, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    I’ve been saying forever that in the end it’s going to be 80-90% about Trump.

    With a bigly assist by the Trumpster pre-election. Post-election, he will insist that he wasn’t on the ballot in any way, shape, of form.

  66. 66.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    @TenguPhule: You win.. Yes it was Trump and now Canada is our enemy.
    Where is Adam when we need him. He just praised the dictator in North Korea.

  67. 67.

    dmsilev

    June 7, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    @TenguPhule: Trump can’t even articulate what he wants and will sign with a Republican Congress. See: Obamacare repeal, immigration. In any sort of crisis, he’ll be so far scattered all over the map, changing from hour to hour, that nobody will know or care about what sort of concessions he might want.

  68. 68.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 8:09 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    I’m afraid its genuine. Rules of the game have changed, but I don’t see our party adapting to the New Game we’re playing fast enough.

    It’s really the same old game. Some people just like to get themselves tied up into knots overcomplicating things.

    These people are elected to govern. Craft effective legislation, get it passed, get it executed.

  69. 69.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 7, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Saw a bumper sticker this afternoon. A picture of Trump, one of the better ones, with “Pendejo” beneath it.

  70. 70.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    @dmsilev: Trump just dropped trousers and took an enormous flaming dump on Canada’s military losses from supporting us as allies and friends. I’m struggling to think of something even more offensive he could have done to them.

  71. 71.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 7, 2018 at 8:12 pm

    @JPL: Trump has praised Kim Jong Un before. Today he said he’d invite him to the White House if they get along. No sign in what Pompeo said this afternoon that he has the faintest idea of the technical issues involved. Neither Trump nor John Bolton is preparing for the meeting – “It’s a matter of attitude.”

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  72. 72.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:13 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Trump can’t even articulate what he wants and will sign with a Republican Congress. See: Obamacare repeal, immigration. In any sort of crisis, he’ll be so far scattered all over the map, changing from hour to hour, that nobody will know or care about what sort of concessions he might want.

    Economic panic isn’t rational. Not the bullshit economic insecurity, but the real “ohfuckohfuckohfuck” sight of watching trillions in wealth go up in electronic smoke.

  73. 73.

    Wapiti

    June 7, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: I was surprised that that is only a law, not a Constitutional Amendment. I can’t imagine that the Senate would approve it*, nor do I think Trump would sign it.

    * States with lower than average population would lose electoral college clout if the House were expanded. So half of the Senate would likely lean towards disapproval, before considering party.

  74. 74.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    @JPL: ugh Adam didn’t praise a dictator, Trump did.

  75. 75.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    No sign in what Pompeo said this afternoon that he has the faintest idea of the technical issues involved.

    No kidding.

    The secretary was asked if the gap between US and North Korea’s definitions of denuclearisation had narrowed. “Yes,” he replied. Could he elaborate? “No.”

    Well, I’m reassured, how about the rest of you? //s

  76. 76.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I just hope he is not indignant, cuz there will be tweets

    I read that Trump is hoping to sign a peace treaty, and might even agree to remove U.S. troops.

  77. 77.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    I wish that female reporter in Israel had stepped on stage and pulled Rudy right off the stage and threw him to the floor.

  78. 78.

    jl

    June 7, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    If a dog can eat watermelon like a person, we can do something about Trump, darnitall.

  79. 79.

    Percysowner

    June 7, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    BREAKING: Trump’s Justice Department Refuses To Defend Obamacare In Court

    Not a surprise, but still.

  80. 80.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    @dmsilev: last night Subaru Diane and I discovered that neither of us has ever eaten poutine

  81. 81.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: And you believed her?

  82. 82.

    bemused

    June 7, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    @MattF:

    Excellent piece.

    I don’t think trump can live without fights. He craves fighting and bullying as much as he craves adoration and getting his way on all things. Even if he had that 24/7, he’d still want to fight.

  83. 83.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    @Percysowner:

    In particular, the administration is arguing that the ACA’s ban on discrimination based on pre-existing conditions and limits on charging older patients higher premiums are invalid, and they are requesting that the court put a halt to those provisions in January of 2019, when enforcement of the individual mandate is set to be terminated.

    I can’t see this ending well. At all.

  84. 84.

    jl

    June 7, 2018 at 8:29 pm

    I don’t know what to do about the corporate media’s horrible reporting.
    I think is possible to talk about Trump and policy at the same time.
    Because, Trump is bad, and has bad policies. It’s not a reach.
    So Trump is bad, Trump has bad policies, here are some good policies instead. Should be easy to connect them.
    Corporate media won’t report it, so will have to bypass them for general, with door knocking and similar local outreach.

  85. 85.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:30 pm

    @Corner Stone: I did when i thought we were talking about fries. But I realized that “poutine” is code for something freaky-deaky….

  86. 86.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 7, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    @Mary G:

    And then there’s Steve ….

  87. 87.

    Shalimar

    June 7, 2018 at 8:33 pm

    @TenguPhule: Yes, it sucks horribly that Republicans intentionally fuck up the deficit over and over and over, forcing Democrats to fix it. But the economy would be even worse off if it wasn’t fixed, and all of us have to live in that economy, not just Republicans.

  88. 88.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:34 pm

    Documents show corporations and trade groups — such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers, or NAM — struggling to get their voices heard within a supposedly business-friendly administration and sending increasingly panicked emails to the United States trade representative’s office about its approach to rewriting the pact (NAFTA).

    Throughout last spring and summer, high-level trade negotiators repeatedly canceled meetings with the chamber, instead finally sending a 24-year-old deputy to meet with a delegation that was expected to include representatives from more than 50 of the largest American companies and organizations, including Walmart, U.P.S., the Walt Disney Company, General Electric, General Motors, Caterpillar and Boeing.

    Via FTFNYT.

  89. 89.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Good. Your heart thanks you.

  90. 90.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 7, 2018 at 8:42 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    The lady said, “My John and I”, not “my john and I”. I do believe the difference is significant. :)

    Kind of like the difference between Polish and polish, only not nearly as sexxxxy.

  91. 91.

    Shana

    June 7, 2018 at 8:43 pm

    @TenguPhule: Oh yeah, run on that this fall GOP.

  92. 92.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:44 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Good frittes with mayo is okay.

  93. 93.

    chris

    June 7, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    I’m struggling to think of something even more offensive he could have done to them.

    Wait until tomorrow, I’m sure he’ll come up with something. He probably doesn’t know that our special ops people are in Iraq and Syria alongside the US military. Of course we also have people in Ukraine so that may be annoying his boss.

  94. 94.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    @chris: You guys interested in annexing Hawaii?

  95. 95.

    M4

    June 7, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    @TenguPhule: leaving aside whatever Pelosi might be thinking:

    1. Paygo is IIRC easily waived
    2. Yes, we are starting in a hole because of the tax cuts—the first move in any major legislation should be repealing them.

  96. 96.

    TenguPhule

    June 7, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    @JPL:

    Good frittes with mayo is okay.

    Mayo is not okay.

  97. 97.

    Peale

    June 7, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    @TenguPhule: none of those “globalist” companies are worth anything to Trump. Appaantly the only industries that matter are rural farmers and coal miners. Basically a trade war over 19th century issues.

  98. 98.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    @chris: With Trump there is always something more offensive.

  99. 99.

    geg6

    June 7, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    That is hilarious.

  100. 100.

    Mike J

    June 7, 2018 at 8:51 pm

    @dmsilev:

    the best reason for the US to maintain a nuclear arsenal was to deter the vicious Quebecois from streaming across the border and assimilating half of New England.

    Whaddya think the canuck letter was about? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

  101. 101.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    @JPL: mais bien sûr!

    @TenguPhule: mais oui—c’est bon avec frites

  102. 102.

    Ruviana

    June 7, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Continuing evidence of the importance of punctuation (and spelling and grammar).

  103. 103.

    chris

    June 7, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    @TenguPhule: You have to get in line behind Turks and Caicos.

  104. 104.

    Shana

    June 7, 2018 at 8:54 pm

    Seems kinda quiet here tonight. Is everyone watching hockey? We’re switching back and forth between that and MSNBC. Of course, we’re in the DC area and my brother lives in Vegas.

  105. 105.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    @rikyrah:

    We should keep our anger.

    Almost impossible not to keep it. The shit has been bulldozed into the fan every second for the last, well it seems like forever, and at this moment it doesn’t look like it’s going to stop. At some point it will and then it will be clean up. “Massive bullshit spill on the entire USA, all hands man your rubber gloves, gas masks, bleach and paper towels. All republicans are required to get on their hands and knees and clean up every last gram from every nook and cranny. If you get stepped on or kicked, tough noggies.”

  106. 106.

    M4

    June 7, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    @TenguPhule: you’re dead to me.

  107. 107.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 8:56 pm

    @TenguPhule: lol That is something I had as a child. My youngest son hates mayo on anything, except on frittes. Because of his job, he spent a lot of time in Brussels.. It’s a thing. I blame Trudeau and the EU.

  108. 108.

    Amir Khalid

    June 7, 2018 at 8:59 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    Apparently, you don’t remember that conversation in Pulp Fiction about how European people eat fries.

  109. 109.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 9:01 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    drumpf = Pendejo

    That one word of truth says it all.

  110. 110.

    JPL

    June 7, 2018 at 9:01 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Mayo should not be wasted on regular fries though. I hope you sleep better tonight.

  111. 111.

    M4

    June 7, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    @JPL: mayonnaise is basically made of the three cheapest ingredients. It’s hard to “waste” (though you can certainly waste fine mayo).

  112. 112.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 7, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    David Frum @ davidfrum
    Over the first yr of his presidency, room rates at Trump Hotel Vancouver tumbled 48%, one of the steepest declines among Trump-branded properties worldwide … Might this explain the president’s rage at Canada ?

  113. 113.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 7, 2018 at 9:08 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Ah, the voice of Issa.

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    MJS

    June 7, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    @TenguPhule: You don’t see something ending well? Get outta here.

  115. 115.

    Mary G

    June 7, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    @rikyrah: Every time I think my anger is diminishing I read something like this:

    Yesterday DOJ was sending around an opinion in which they managed to deport a woman who was kidnapped by rebels along with her husband, forced to watch as they made her husband dig his own grave and then murder him. They then made her their servant.— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) June 7, 2018

    An immigration judge found that she had an asylum claim and could stay in the US, country but Sessions' DOJ said she was guilty of material support for terrorism because HER FORCED LABOR FOR THE REBELS THAT KIDNAPPED HER AND MURDERED HER HUSBAND COUNTED AS MATERIAL SUPPORT.— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) June 7, 2018

    So she is being sent back to her country where those rebels are now in charge. It’s enough that the administration does such monstrous things, but that they are bragging about it as an accomplishment makes me want to vomit.

  116. 116.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 9:10 pm

    @M4:

    mayonnaise is basically made of the three cheapest ingredients

    Protestations of love from a hooker, a reused hypodermic needle and a CD of Eddie Murphy’s Greatest Music Hits?

  117. 117.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 9:12 pm

    @Mary G: How can DoJ over rule a judge’s order?

  118. 118.

    debbie

    June 7, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    @M4:

    Is this where I wax eloquent over the deliciousness of a peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwich? ?

  119. 119.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 7, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Trump is going to achieve the impossible, he’s going to make Canada a hostile nation.

    Well, they did burn down the White House in 1814.

  120. 120.

    B.B.A.

    June 7, 2018 at 9:16 pm

    News from north of the border: the Canadian Senate just passed cannabis legalization.

    EDIT: and Rob Ford’s brother is the new premier of Ontario so they’re gonna need it.

  121. 121.

    GregB

    June 7, 2018 at 9:19 pm

    Trump is the King of Lies. A year and a half in and the US is treating Canada as an enemy and North Korea as a desired ally.

  122. 122.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 7, 2018 at 9:22 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    C’est vrai.

  123. 123.

    James Powell

    June 7, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    I don’t recall any of these pundits warning the Republicans that they shouldn’t base their 2010 midterm campaign on “OMG! The president is a ni-clang!” when “anger about Obamacare” was polite code for “OMG! The president is a ni-clang!”

  124. 124.

    M4

    June 7, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    @debbie: don’t need my permission.

  125. 125.

    Sab

    June 7, 2018 at 9:33 pm

    @debbie: Urk. My husband says that is a wonderful samdwich. I love both ingredients, but I dunno.

  126. 126.

    Mary G

    June 7, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    And the descent into fascism continues:

    NEW: The Justice Department has secretly seized a years’ worth of a New York Times reporter’s phone and email records as part of its investigation into leaks of classified information. https://t.co/uGE2wK4SlI— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) June 8, 2018

  127. 127.

    Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California)

    June 7, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    I’m so sick of articles saying Dem need to “run on something, not just against Trump”. I’ve never seen this kind of fury against a president or against any political figure. Damn right we should harness it.

  128. 128.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 7, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    because of course he is

    Kevin Liptak @ Kevinliptakcnn
    White House says Trump to depart G7 early on Saturday, skipping sessions focused on environment, climate and clean oceans.

  129. 129.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    @JPL: thanks—me too. Uh, #MeToo. Since she can’t lie flat owing to her acute abdominal pain, she can sleep in the chair tonight and I’ll take the bed!

  130. 130.

    raven

    June 7, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    You know what they call a Quarter
    Pounder with Cheese in Paris?

    JULES
    They don’t call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?
    VINCENT
    No, man, they got the metric system there, they wouldn’t know what the fuck
    A Quarter Pounder is.
    JULES
    What’d they call it?
    VINCENT
    They call it Royale with Cheese.
    JULES (repeating)
    Royale with Cheese. What’d they call a Big Mac?
    VINCENT
    Big Mac’s a Big Mac, but they call it Le Big Mac.
    JULES (repeating)
    Le Big Mac. What do they call a Whopper?
    VINCENT
    I dunno, I didn’t go into a Burger King. You know what they put on french
    Fries in Holland instead of ketchup?
    JULES
    What?
    VINCENT
    Mayonnaise.
    JULES
    Goddamn!
    VINCENT
    I seen ’em do it, man. They fuckin’ drown ’em in this shit.
    JULES
    Uuccch!

  131. 131.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    @debbie: my stepfather’s go-to sandwich was PBJ&M. It actually tasted good, once you got past the mental block of a PBJ with mayo on it.

  132. 132.

    Amir Khalid

    June 7, 2018 at 9:45 pm

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California):
    I am but a foreigner, and one resident on the other side of the planet. But Trump presents a clear and present danger to America and the world, and I happen to think that running against him absolutely essential to preserve your country.

  133. 133.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 7, 2018 at 9:47 pm

    @ Any and all Canadian Juicers, especially Ontarians:

    Have been in contact with many friends and relations today, who live in places from Toronto to Thunder Bay, from Ottawa to Windsor, from Tobermory to Guelph. To a person, they are voting (or have voted); and to a person, they are profoundly unhappy with their choices.

    Would love some BJuicy on-the-ground takes. How didn’t you vote, and why, and what stories should we be following?

  134. 134.

    B.B.A.

    June 7, 2018 at 9:47 pm

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California):

    I’ve never seen this kind of fury against a president or against any political figure.

    I have. I’m old enough to remember the Tea Party.

    Now, as justified fury goes, this is something new.

  135. 135.

    Mandalay

    June 7, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    @Mary G: That story is really bad, but not quite as Chris Hayes painted it. First, Hayes carefully cherry-picked what he told us, second he provided no link for his “scoop”, and third his claim that “they managed to deport a woman” seems to be false (so far).

    Here are more details from CNN:

    This is about a Salvadoran woman. We don’t’ have her name. First entered the United States illegally in 1991, now facing deportation. A lot of this is about the meaning of the term “material support for terrorism.” Divided court rulings says she did cooking and cleaning for the El Salvadorian guerillas under threat of death, that she was forced to witness the execution of her husband after he was forced to dig his own grave. A dissenting opinion said the woman was essentially a slave to the guerillas acting under duress, under coercion, not voluntarily. But the court also said she received military type weapons training from the guerrillas in their violent opposition to the Salvadorian government, along with the cooking and cleaning, which qualifies as material support for a terrorist organization. A huge disqualifier if you’re trying to get immigration relief to live in the U.S.

    The court ruled that the law does not have an exception allowing special treatment because of duress and that immigrants can be banned, even if the material support was minimal. The concern now is what happens to the woman, especially if she returns to El Salvador. The case has been sent back to a lower court with guidance, but there seems to be a question whether the woman might be tortured if she returns to her home country.

    Ultimately, the decision could rest in the hands of either the attorney general or an appeals court.

    So it is a horrible situation that shouldn’t exist, but the main takeaways seem to be that:
    – She hasn’t been deported yet.
    – This was a court ruling, and it seems that current law is inadequate (not that I expect the Republicans to do anything about that).

  136. 136.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Three words: “Tater Tot Poutine.”

  137. 137.

    Gvg

    June 7, 2018 at 9:50 pm

    I wonder if it’s possible to explain the parable of the golden apples to Trump. It’s praiseworthy to gain new allies or make peace with old enemies only if you don’t lose 10 times as many allies as you already had. As pessimistic as I was about Trump, I never dreamed he could make enemies of Canada and a lot of Europe.
    Is it possible he is an agent of multiple enemy countries?
    I want to see his greed head rich backers like the Kochs and Mercers and Murdoch lose tons of money. I wish their was a way to make the Trump little guy morons lose money without screwing the innocent too. Like me. Florida went Trump to my shock and I am sure our tourism is down. I really want to get out of this without too much harm but at the same time I want certain conservative theories thoroughly discredited. It’s obvious lessons of the past have been forgotten. Europe too by the way.

  138. 138.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    @JPL: Mayo has nothing to do with poutine.

  139. 139.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2018 at 9:52 pm

    @Steeplejack: Three other words: go fuck yourself.

  140. 140.

    Zinsky

    June 7, 2018 at 9:54 pm

    The DNC should be mass-producing t-shirts with the most unflattering picture of Trump on it and one of these three captions on it in massive letters: “Rapist” “Pervert” or “Degenerate”. The Repukes did it to Bill Clinton – we need to take the kid gloves off and relentlessly hammer this deviant with every name and epithet we can throw at this pig.

  141. 141.

    raven

    June 7, 2018 at 9:54 pm

    @Gvg: We are at the beach right now and we rent from friends who tell us rentals are down.

  142. 142.

    dexwood

    June 7, 2018 at 9:55 pm

    Always late to the party, I am. Every dog I’ve been a servant to over the last 50 years has loved watermelon. Dexter held a slice between his paws and ate it much the same way. That dog had good manners, was never messy.

  143. 143.

    Corner Stone

    June 7, 2018 at 9:55 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    my stepfather’s go-to sandwich was PBJ&M. It actually tasted good, once you got past the mental block of a PBJ with mayo on it.

    It’s no wonder you were such an easy mark for Public Enemy #1, the vixen from the Canadiana North.

  144. 144.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California):

    I’m so sick of articles saying Dem need to “run on something, not just against Trump”. I’ve never seen this kind of fury against a president or against any political figure. Damn right we should harness it.

    Why not both? Reminding me that Trump is a bad man gets you in the door, but you got to follow through with how you are going to solve the problems that Trump and the GOP have created. It is not enough to say “We’re the Democrats. We’re nice people and we shit sunshine.”

    And it should not be hard because the Democrats DO have good ideas.

    Also, advice from pundits is meaningless. I look to them for informed analysis. And since I know they are useless for this purpose, that leaves mockery.

  145. 145.

    cain

    June 7, 2018 at 9:58 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Sorry, what Democratic legislation did you think Trump was going to sign? When he loses the House, he’s going to be PISSED as only a toxic narcissist can be.

    Oh yeah.. and he’s going to say the whole house is illegal. He’ll try to use the executive branch against them. Meanwhile, there will be some serious investigations of all things Trump and Pence. In actuality, we should go after Pence first. The Orange Menace will self destruct by himself.

  146. 146.

    Zinsky

    June 7, 2018 at 9:59 pm

    Further, the Democrats should propose legislation, in a very loud, public way, designating 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in D.C. as the residence of a known sex offender!

  147. 147.

    chris

    June 7, 2018 at 10:04 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: One of my sisters lives in the 905. She’s close to tears, her husband is celebrating. They’ve been together for nearly 40 years, go figure.

    ETA I’m close to tears too.

  148. 148.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 10:04 pm

    @Gvg:

    As pessimistic as I was about Trump, I never dreamed he could make enemies of Canada and a lot of Europe.

    Yep. You nailed it. And I would think that the way that Trump has alienated allies would alarm the GOP leadership. But nope.

    It is strange to watch. I can’t imagine that Putin paid very much for their craven capitulation.

  149. 149.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 7, 2018 at 10:05 pm

    @Brachiator:
    In fact, that’s all I’ve ever heard from Dems running. They’re running on issues that are actually important to people as well as criticizing Trump. Let the Party of Trump run on culture warrior bullshit like the NFL (not saying that the President bullying a private business to silence its employees isn’t a serious problem; it can be pushed back on as well) as that’s all they’ve got basically. The Democrats will run on education, healthcare, voting rights, and actually giving a shit about our national security as well as being a check on Trump/GOP.

  150. 150.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 10:11 pm

    @raven:
    Was walking by a chip stand in Amsterdam and they smelled great. Bought a serving and asked for catsoup. The guy looked at me like I’d called his mother a whore. Pointed to the mayo. When in Rome and all that so I tried it. Haven’t had catsoup since. Had a burger and fries for lunch today, asked for mayo for the fries. 46 yrs I’ve been eating them that way. Sure it’s crap on my health but it does taste good.

  151. 151.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 7, 2018 at 10:11 pm

    I don’t always love Lawrence O’Donnell, but I do love him in IDGAF mode, like right now when he’s detailing Rudi G’s unsavory personal life and scoffing impolitely at the idea that anybody, Melania first and foremost, doesn’t know trump had a fling with Stormy Daniels.

  152. 152.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:13 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Sure it’s crap on my health but it does taste good.

    Right, because ketchup would be so much healthier.

    I will occasionally have mayonnaise on the burger. Yeah, I said it.

  153. 153.

    debbie

    June 7, 2018 at 10:14 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Jelly. Ewww.

  154. 154.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 7, 2018 at 10:17 pm

    @Steeplejack: I like ketchup with fries. If you have access to an Indian grocery store, try Maggi’s ketchup. Its zestier than regular Heinz or Hunt’s.

  155. 155.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 7, 2018 at 10:18 pm

    White House Analysis Finds Tariffs Will Hurt Growth, as Officials Insist Otherwise, via FTFNYT

    Don’t worry. For those worried that an improving economy will help the GOP in the midterms, aside from that not working for the Dems in 1994, the tariffs will fix that.

  156. 156.

    raven

    June 7, 2018 at 10:18 pm

    @Ruckus: We’re doing one more day of beach life and then back to the South Beach. We’re going to try to kickstart this retirement gig with a heavy dose of fitness!

  157. 157.

    Barbara

    June 7, 2018 at 10:18 pm

    @Steeplejack: Some of my Brazilian au pairs ate mayonnaise on pizza. I couldn’t even watch. Mayonnaise is pure fat. Ketchup is salty but less caloric.

  158. 158.

    M4

    June 7, 2018 at 10:20 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Japan also has some high quality ketchups. Can’t recall the brand.

  159. 159.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I like ketchup, too. I just don’t see a condiment as make or break to your health. And it was a joke anyway.

    Thanks for the tip. I will look for Maggi.

  160. 160.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 10:23 pm

    @Steeplejack:
    Well to be honest I’ve been a fan of mayo on sandwiches for basically my entire life. Haven’t made one recently but I used to eat avocado and mayo sandwiches. Of course we had a tree in our front yard that produced so many that we’d give away paper shopping bags full almost weekly when it was in season. Damn they were good. What you get in the market is not even close. Why is most everything not as good as when you were a kid? Maybe our memories really are crap.

  161. 161.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 7, 2018 at 10:24 pm

    @Steeplejack: I just don’t see a condiment as make or break to your health.

    yeah, as someone who would cheerfully eat french fries every day, putting mayo or ketchup on them doesn’t strike me as the big nutritional question…

    and isn’t mayonnaise just eggs and vegetable oil? It’s not like it’s one of the those evil refined carbs!

  162. 162.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:24 pm

    @M4:

    Japan also has some good mayonnaise.

  163. 163.

    rikyrah

    June 7, 2018 at 10:24 pm

    Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is EVIL??

    https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1004860175495454725?s=20

  164. 164.

    raven

    June 7, 2018 at 10:25 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: sugar

  165. 165.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    @Barbara:

    Like I said . . .

    That said, mayonnaise on pizza is right out. But then I think pineapple on pizza is right out. Tastes differ.

  166. 166.

    Elizabelle

    June 7, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    Sounds like there’s a rather good hockey game right now …

  167. 167.

    Amir Khalid

    June 7, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    @Steeplejack:
    How do you feel about Nestle? Some people disapprove strongly enough to avoid its products, including anything with the Maggi brand.

  168. 168.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 10:30 pm

    Speaking of better times, one of the things I’d like to remember is a day that something doesn’t hurt or do weird things like tremor, or cramp or seize or wake up after a full nights sleep feeling worse than when you went to bed. And no one seems to know what it is or what to do about it.
    Fun times.

  169. 169.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:30 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Why is most everything not as good as when you were a kid? Maybe our memories really are crap.

    Maybe our taste buds are dying.

  170. 170.

    raven

    June 7, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Speaking of Nestle and dogs!

  171. 171.

    chris

    June 7, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    I like fries with almost anything but the best were in France. Handcut, fried in lard and served with a side of Bearnaise sauce. Done died and gone to heaven good, heart health be damned.

  172. 172.

    Elizabelle

    June 7, 2018 at 10:33 pm

    @Ruckus: Ah no. I wish they could get a handle on that and fix it.

    Now, about french fries: I like mayo, but Russian dressing is even better. And honey mustard (not the true Slingblade, but close). Catsup is kinda sweet. I bet siracha catsup would be good. Or some wasabi, if it’s not too hot ….

  173. 173.

    raven

    June 7, 2018 at 10:33 pm

    @Ruckus: Fuck man, I did an 8 hr deep sea trip Tuesday and I slept for 12 hrs when I got back. We were in 300ft of water cranking big fish and heavy bottom weights. I still hurt all over (of course I fished from 5am to noon and then 5 to 8:30)!

  174. 174.

    rikyrah

    June 7, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    The demons are after your healthcare AGAIN??

    https://twitter.com/sam_baker/status/1004871991374045190?s=20

  175. 175.

    chris

    June 7, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    @Barbara: A French friend puts ketchup on pizza. Beyond weird.

  176. 176.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Nestlé the company? Don’t have any opinion, really. Guess I’m not up on their current or recent atrocities. And I certainly didn’t know that Maggi, which I first heard of tonight, is one of their brands.

  177. 177.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I don’t always love Lawrence O’Donnell, but I do love him in IDGAF mode, like right now when he’s detailing Rudi G’s unsavory personal life and scoffing impolitely at the idea that anybody, Melania first and foremost, doesn’t know trump had a fling with Stormy Daniels.

    Here is what is extra disgusting about all this. Melania issued a statement stressing that she has never discussed this with Rudy G and he has no idea what her thoughts on this might be.

    But Rudy G said what a mere woman says doesn’t matter because he believes that Trump would not bang a scuzzy piece of meat like Daniels. So, while pretending to defend Melania’s honor, he demeans and dismisses her. It is wild to watch such blatant anti-woman strutting. It’s like Rudy wants the whole world see him kissing Trump’s ass.

    Link to Rudy’s comments and Melania’s denial.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/melania-trump-rudy-giuliani/index.html

  178. 178.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 7, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    @Barbara: @Steeplejack: I cannot imagine a pizza that I would put mayonnaise on

    according to Jeff Ross, trump gets a small dish of mayonnaise to dip his cheeseburgers in

    229 my ass

  179. 179.

    M4

    June 7, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @Steeplejack: I figured that went without saying.

  180. 180.

    Elizabelle

    June 7, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @raven: That’s a good ventriloquist.

    I wish Trump had one.

    @chris: Bernaise. Perfect.

  181. 181.

    raven

    June 7, 2018 at 10:39 pm

    @Elizabelle: I always remember that commercial and the way the doggie says Chocolatteeee!

  182. 182.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:40 pm

    @M4:

    Not checking your work, just offering my opinion.

  183. 183.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 7, 2018 at 10:40 pm

    @rikyrah: these are two smart people, I hope they’re right about this

    @ thegarance
    This is a gift to Democrats who want to retake the House. Health care remains a top issue.

    Jonathan Cohn @ CitizenCohn
    Two Republicans trying to win contested Senate Seats, Hawley in MO and Morrisey in WV, are co-counsels on the original brief in the case
    Case, though unlikely to succeed, would nuke pre-ex protections.
    Think that will come up in Democratic ads?

    I’ve been watching MSNBC off and on tonight– have any of their hosts brought this up?

  184. 184.

    eclare

    June 7, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    @Ruckus: Picked up the habit of vinegar on my chips when I lived in London

  185. 185.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 10:43 pm

    @Steeplejack:
    Actually you taste with your nose more than your taste buds. So if your smeller goes, food has very little taste. You taste buds pretty much tell you sweet, salty, sour, bitter. And you get texture. I know this first hand, my smeller has flown the coup.
    Fun times.

  186. 186.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 10:45 pm

    @raven:
    I’d call that a good hurt. A proper reason to feel that way. FISHING!.

  187. 187.

    Amir Khalid

    June 7, 2018 at 10:46 pm

    @Steeplejack:
    Google “Nestle controversy”, and you get this.

  188. 188.

    Elizabelle

    June 7, 2018 at 10:47 pm

    @raven: That was one blase dog.

  189. 189.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 10:49 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    229 is his ass. Just his ass. That’s his physical ass BTW. For all intents and purposes he is all ass. It’s just that he weighs more than his physical ass, which weighs 229 lb.

  190. 190.

    Ruckus

    June 7, 2018 at 10:52 pm

    @eclare:
    Never been a fan of vinegar. Even vinegar and oil salad dressing.

  191. 191.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2018 at 10:55 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Eastern Europeans use Maggi seasoning liberally, in lots of things. It’s probably just concentrated MSG.

  192. 192.

    Brachiator

    June 7, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    @Ruckus:

    You taste buds pretty much tell you sweet, salty, sour, bitter.

    Umami, savory, is said by some to be another taste for the buds.

  193. 193.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 10:57 pm

    @M4: Dijon ketchup?

  194. 194.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 10:58 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Looks like my Nestlé exposure is slight. I will have to talk to the housecat about her Fancy Feast consumption, however.

  195. 195.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2018 at 10:59 pm

    @chris: IIRC, you’re in Halifax or something? Take a drive down to Portland, Maine, and eat the fries at a restaurant called Duckfat. You’ll thank me later. And you’ll forget all about France.

  196. 196.

    Steeplejack

    June 7, 2018 at 11:00 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Dojo ketchup. “You’ll feel the kick.”™

  197. 197.

    Barbara

    June 7, 2018 at 11:02 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Or buy a duck breast and trim some of the fat off the back and render it in a pan and then roast potatoes in the fat while you pan sear the duck breast.

  198. 198.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 11:03 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I avoid nestle whenever possible. Along with Chik-fil-a and hobby lobby and Goldman Sachs…I could go on but I’ll stop here.

  199. 199.

    chris

    June 7, 2018 at 11:05 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Hey thanks. I’m headed that way in a couple of weeks.

  200. 200.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 7, 2018 at 11:07 pm

    @chris: Just don’t mention it to your cardiologist.

  201. 201.

    chris

    June 7, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: That’s OK, I don’t have one. Yet.

  202. 202.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 7, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    @Steeplejack: concur. Mayo and pineapple have no place on pizza. Nor does ketchup, not even dojo ketchup.

  203. 203.

    Yutsano

    June 8, 2018 at 12:01 am

    @Steeplejack: Japanese mayo is…weird. And I hate mayo as a rule. But takoyaki without some Japanese mayo just isn’t.

    I’m also imagining tater tots fried in duck fat now…

  204. 204.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 8, 2018 at 12:19 am

    @Steeplejack: I haven’t read the Bible in a while, but I’m pretty sure that Tater Tot Poutine was one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

  205. 205.

    Bobby Thomson

    June 8, 2018 at 1:37 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Eastern Europeans Africans use Maggi seasoning liberally, in lots of things.

    It’s just soy sauce.

  206. 206.

    J R in WV

    June 8, 2018 at 2:14 am

    @Steeplejack:

    WE always thought pineapple on ‘Za was right out. Then we went to a pizza place before seeing Gov’t Mule a couple of months ago with neighbors, and between us we ordered 4 flavors of ‘Za. One of them had small pieces of pineapple and two flavors of pork.

    There were 6 pieces, and more pizza than the four of us could eat, so I tried it. It was pretty good, I added some red pepper flakes on it, and enjoyed it. Wouldn’t get the whole pizza that style, but as an odd-ball trial run it was OK.

    Thai curry shrimp style is one o my favorites.

  207. 207.

    J R in WV

    June 8, 2018 at 5:34 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Nestlé the vast company made a huge effort to sell infant formula all over the world, as it’s hugely profitable. They told women it was healthier for their babies than nursing with mother’s milk. Of course that’s a lie.

    It’s especially not true where powdered formula is mixed with rural water which can contain anything, in Africa, for example. Using the only water available, from streams or wells, to mix formula several times a day, as without electricity and refrigeration, it won’t keep for more than a couple of hours.

    So babies died for Nestlé’s profits. And that’s the story of why people boycott Nestlé products.

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