Ali Velshi has the details:
BREAKING: Judge revokes bail for Manafort, orders him to jail. pic.twitter.com/QhDYhF1h9a
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) June 15, 2018
LIVE: NBC News Special Report: Judge revokes bail for Manafort, orders him to jail. https://t.co/UBdpBaQ8p4
— NBC News (@NBCNews) June 15, 2018
From The New York Times:
A federal judge revoked Paul Manafort’s bail and sent him to jail on Friday to await trial, citing new charges that Mr. Manafort had tried to influence the testimony of two of the government’s witnesses after he had been granted bail.
Gonna be a long Friday as we wait to see if a Cohenoscopy has been scheduled for today.
Open thread!
Baud
Fuck yeah!
dmsilev
Best Infrastructure Week _ever_!
JohnO
And Pardon Palooza commences in 3…2…1…
Jamey
Which Hunt?
LAO
Manafort locked up and Cohen’s sending smoke signals to Team Mueller — gonna be a long weekend in the White House.
japa21
@Jamey: Well done.
JPL
Judge Amy Berman Jackson told Manafort that there wasn’t a less restrictive action she could take: “This isn’t middle school. I can’t take your phone.”
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1007655251183271936
JPL
@LAO: It’s going to be a long weekend for all of us.
Platonailedit
Wish the judge had done this as the traitorous thug’s b’day big present. This explains the chinese tariff, a pathetic diversion by the kkklown.
OzarkHillbilly
@Jamey: Many more witches yet to burn.
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: I just added the following up top:
PeakVT
Traitors one and all.
Lock up everyone who ever worked for Trump.
LAO
@JPL: I’ve been pretty successfully logging off for the weekends. It’s helping my sanity. (Which was aalready tenuous before the 2016 elections).
LAO
@Adam L Silverman: Perhaps more people will get the joke, I so clearly missed yesterday.
Aardvark Cheeselog
Thanks to everybody who sent well wishes yesterday for my dog, who had a bad meal of smallclothes over the weekend. Last night she pooped out a wad of fabric and is well on the way to complete recovery.
Here she is this morning, wondering if there will be another treat.
JPL
@LAO: If there is a Saturday Night Massacre, hopefully you will change your mind.
Platonailedit
Elizabelle
well done, Adam. well done.
shall we start a betting pool on when it happens?
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: Perhaps.
JPL
@Aardvark Cheeselog: Precious !
Elizabelle
@Aardvark Cheeselog: That is a face meant for a dog-shaming placard. Virtual, even.
What a cutie.
TaMara (HFG)
Isn’t Lady Justice beautiful?
Bex
@Aardvark Cheeselog: So she won’t need a Cohenoscopy?
japa21
@Elizabelle: Depends on how the prep goes.
LAO
@JPL: I doubt I could/would miss that.
Adam L Silverman
@Aardvark Cheeselog: Andy Kaufman used to do this internal yoga type of procedure where every few weeks he’d swallow a cheesecloth using forced peristalsis to keep his GI track clean. Apparently people have been doing this type of things for a long time.
LAO
@Aardvark Cheeselog: That is good news and damn, she’s a cutie.
Platonailedit
Tom
“Lock him up!”
NotMax
Yes, Virginia, there is a rule of law.
Cheryl Rofer
This is still vague, but
Cohen signals openness to cooperating with federal investigators
M4
We can always count on Adam for a pun or ten!
Mai naem mobile
No doubt FOX nooze will identify Manafort as a Democrat now. Also, hahahahaha. Enjoy jail Pauly.
MJS
The message that should be received by everyone currently enmeshed in this investigation is, “You are not smarter than Robert Mueller.” It won’t be received by many/any of them, but it should be.
Adam L Silverman
In case anyone was wondering, James Kallstrom and (at least one) Rudy Giuliani will soon have their time in the barrel:
OzarkHillbilly
@Aardvark Cheeselog: Whose a sweet puppy dog?
burnspbesq
Ryan Goodman has done a nice recap of the publicly known facts re Manafort. His only chance is if a diehard Trumper hangs the jury.
https://www.justsecurity.org/57863/paul-manafort-evidence-collusion/
zhena gogolia
@Aardvark Cheeselog:
Oh, sweetie! So glad!
chopper
trump: manafort? wasn’t he the guy that fetched big macs for me?
Frankensteinbeck
@JohnO:
He just threw Cohen under the bus and is saying “Mana-who?” Pardonpalooza appears to have been called on account of asshole.
dr. bloor
There is a Was (Not Was) song for every occasion.
LAO
@Adam L Silverman: That’s super interesting — it was a huge gap in the report. And, now it’s omission makes sense.
Adam L Silverman
@M4: It just trips off the tongue.
EWWWWWW!!!!!
Elizabelle
I think last week about this time we were all sad and in shock over Anthony Bourdain’s untimely passing.
The news rolls on, and on.
chopper
@Aardvark Cheeselog:
good news. my dog poops out the strangest things sometimes.
Paul Wartenberg
I AM NOW ENJOYING MY LUNCH
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: I’ll put that right in the Things I Never Wanted to Know file.
West of the Rockies
A fussy point, but is Manafort in “jail”–a county facility–or in prison–a state or federal facility?
RSolavad
You liberal tools should be ashamed of yourselves. You support a side that actually colluded with Russia, that actually obstructed and that the IG recommended 5 people be criminally investigated. The people charged are being charged with crimes that had nothing to do with the investigation. Get over it, Trump won and without cheating… Respect the office. I did, for the previous 8 years. You are teaching your children to be as ugly as you are.. on the inside as well as the outside.
LAO
HeleninEire
WOOT!
Gin & Tonic
@West of the Rockies: “Jail” is for pre-trial detention. “Prison” is for after you’re convicted.
burnspbesq
After the shit that happened in the Bundy trials, I hope Mueller’s people are smart enough to stay far, far away from anything that even remotely looks like a Brady violation.
Platonailedit
dr. bloor
@Adam L Silverman: I saw a movie about R. Crumb and his family decades ago–he had (has?) a brother that did the same thing.
His was an unusual family.
Mandalay
Two CNN pundits just now on Trump’s lie that children are being separated from their parents because of legislation from Democrats:
Jellyfish have more spine.
West of the Rockies
@Gin & Tonic:
I just wondered if a county lock-up would have the ability to house a super high-profile cat like Manafort.
Baud
@Platonailedit: To be fair, Hillary Clinton and John Podesta are innocent.
Elizabelle
@Adam L Silverman: FBI Director Wray needs to break up the NY field office, all of it that either participated or was blind. If FBI agents are so good, a new crew can come up to speed pretty quickly.
Le Comte (fka Botsplainer) this morning suggested transferring them all — the Rudy leakers and the ones who knew but looked the other way.
We are not safe with that rogue office. Make them an example. If they wanna retire, so they can go on Fox News, let ’em.
ruemara
*shrug* Bye, bitch.
@Elizabelle: Yes. They violated the Hatch Act & spread conservative propaganda that they should’ve known was false. They don’t deserve to serve in the NYC office. They collaborated with Guiliani. Who are they loyal to? Send them to Topeka and let them investigate cattle mutilations.
Elizabelle
@burnspbesq: In English for us non-lawyer types? Brady violation?
We are speaking of the ranch-freeloading Bundys, and not the serial-killing one …
Ella in New Mexico
@TaMara (HFG): She’s beautiful, but she sure is frigging slow walking in this God-damned marathon.
LAO
@West of the Rockies: He is either in a federal pre-trial detention facility or a state run facility that the feds pay “rent” to for housing federal inmates.
SiubhanDuinne
@West of the Rockies:
According to the reporter in the Ali Velshi clip in OP, he was taken to facilities in the federal courthouse for a while, will be transferred later to county jail.
LAO
@SiubhanDuinne: that really sucks for him. (Shouldn’t of tampered with the witness, I guess).
Anonymous At Work
NEWS AT 10!
Shiving at 11!
OzarkHillbilly
@chopper: No, that was Christie.
Josie
@Aardvark Cheeselog: That face! You have obviously not been giving her enough treats, which is why she had to go further afield.
Ella in New Mexico
@Elizabelle: Cannot agree more with this. I really believe it’s one of the pressures Comey was up against in his poor decision making regarding the Clinton email stuff. That and those rogue elements working with Gowdy and Chaffetz and Nunes trying to co-opt the investigation.
LAO
@Elizabelle: A Brady violation occurs when a prosecutor withholds evidence that may exculpate a defendant — or lead to evidence that would. (This can include impeachment evidence relating to government witnesses).
Barbara
@SiubhanDuinne: I assume you mean local D.C. lock-up. D.C. doesn’t have counties.
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: The DOJ pretty much telegraphed it as they’ve been dragging out a FOIA case on it filed by Zaid and Moss.
Cheryl Rofer
I’ll leave it to the lawyers to explain this one.
BTW, I greatly appreciate the legal analysis here.
hitchhiker
Rudy is on the teevee demanding that Peter Strozk be in jail by the end of the week.
Their whole conspiracy of the deep state ratf*ckery perpetrated on the innocent Trump campaign now hangs on a single line in an email exchange between a couple of FBI officials.
I hope they realize that roughly 66 million Americans were saying exactly what Strozk was saying, and for the same (unstated) reason.
We’re going to stop him
(… because he’s a monster.)
If only we had.
Duane
That this traitorous bastard openly operated for so many years is a crime itself. Manafort should never know another day of freedom.
Gin & Tonic
@West of the Rockies: The distinction is not county/state/federal but pre-trial/post-conviction.
Barbara
@hitchhiker: Rudy is clearly afraid of what is going to come out regarding his relationship and communications with the NYC FBI office. I am going to go with the projection hypothesis: Somewhere there is an email between him and an FBI agent to the effect of “We’re going to stop her.” And Giuliani will be leaning hard on the fact that since Strozk isn’t in jail he shouldn’t be either. I mean, this is over the top and unhinged, even for Giuliani.
OzarkHillbilly
@SiubhanDuinne: Ooooooo, County lock-ups are just so…. Luxurious. That’s he word I’m looking for.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
Last week about this time, Trump was just arriving (late) at the G7 summit.
Heck, the Singapore meeting was barely four days ago.
Feels like a million years.
Adam L Silverman
@West of the Rockies: County jail. Jails specifically refer to county run incarceration facilities under control of the local sheriff. LAO will correct me if I’m remembering incorrectly, but my understanding is that the Feds have agreements with local counties to house Federal indictees being held for pre-trial detention.
Ella in New Mexico
Ok, went to bed last night feeling pretty relieved and confident that the IG pretty much concluded the FBI is essentially functioning as it should. And the judge locking up Manafort today is another reassuring sign that the justice system is still alive and well in this country.
So, could someone explain to me why Josh Marshall is worried about charges being brought against Comey and the former FBI agent, Strzok? I don’t see that as a likely outcome based on the IG’s report. It essentially said while it disagreed with Comey’s interpretation of how to handle the Clinton situation, no true wrong doing was done. It criticized the politics of Strzok and his girlfriends personal messages, but concluded no impact was had on their investigation. And in the end, it’s biggest conclusion was anything the FBI did only hurt her and helped Trump.
So is Marshall accurate here or is he just concern trolling?
Another Scott
Is anyone in the press going to ask Pence what he thinks about Manafort going away? They did seem to be almost BBFs, once upon a time…
Cheers,
Scott.
MomSense
@SiubhanDuinne:
I feel like George Jetson on that dog walking conveyor belt.
Kay
Good. Maybe this will have a chilling effect on our rampant white collar crime wave.
I bet he never expected to be treated like anyone else would be treated.
OzarkHillbilly
@Barbara: Could be sent to VA of MD for pretrial custody.
Platonailedit
OT, but heh.
ChrisS
@Adam L Silverman:
I hope they double up the security for him. If he were to die in there before his trial, there’ll be no end to the conspiracy theories.
SiubhanDuinne
@LAO:
Yeah.
? <—– actual size
Gin & Tonic
@hitchhiker: It’s “Strzok.” I know “strz” is difficult for English-speakers, but it’s not an uncommon phoneme in Polish names.
Adam L Silverman
@Elizabelle: Wray will wait for the IG report to do anything. My understanding is that the NY Field Office has an equivalent problem to the Boston Field Office’s problem with Whitey Bulger. In the latter case, they thought they were running Bulger, but Bulger was running them. In the case of the NYFO they think they’re running the Russian mob, but the Russian mob is really running them. And, of course, Kallstrom when he was the Supervisory Special Agent in Charge developed a completely formed, and largely false, belief system that the Clintons, especially Secretary Clinton, were basically their own two person organized crime family. Word is he passed this belief on to the agents he mentored, many of whom are now in senior positions in the NY Field Office. So you get a self fulfilling prophecy: I believe the Clintons are dirty and just keep getting away with it, I have some evidence that might indicate the Clintons did something wrong, since I already believe the Clintons are dirty and just keep getting away with it, the evidence must be true, the Clintons are therefore guilty.
raven
B.B. King ~ Live In Cook County Jail 1970 Part 1
hitchhiker
@Barbara:
As he should be. I think the record will show that his personal animosity toward both the Clintons (probably Chelsea as well) is what made him a perfect go-between for NY FBI and Fox News.
LAO
@Cheryl Rofer: It’s a motion to have the Court review the legal instructions given to the grand jury by prosecutors — it’s rarely, if ever granted, in the federal criminal system. (State Judge, in NY, will often review grand jury instructions if the defendant can offer a compelling reason for Court’s review).
hitchhiker
@Gin & Tonic:
Thanks.
cain
I can’t wait to see Guiliani in jail as well. Trump is getting more and more isolated. If he loses his press secretary, he’ll have a hard time finding a new one. Nobody wants to be associated with that shit show. They’ll have to pull from Fox News or Brietbart or some underground white supremacy group. Hell, it’ll probably be Bannon.
Cheryl Rofer
Kay
Maybe the crime fighters could head over to Pence’s office next. They’re breaking windows and looting over there.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Yeah, they’d say that.
zhena gogolia
@Gin & Tonic:
And who can forget the immortal Czech sentence Strc prst skrz krk?
LAO
@SiubhanDuinne: I don’t feel bad for him — I just ink county pre-trial detention sucks as a general rule, for everyone — they haven’t been convicted of a crime yet.
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Do you have any idea how tiring it is for me to try to out-weird you? I mean, I’ve had years of practice, but not as much recently, so you’re making me work that much harder.
Actually, maybe I shouldn’t try. You remember Murtagh’s oft-repeated comment to Riggs?
“Trips off the tongue,” indeed.
West of the Rockies
@Adam L Silverman:
Thanks to you and SD and G&T and others who clarified the point. I sure couldn’t picture Paulie in the local pokey here.
Yutsano
@Cheryl Rofer: “Give me a ping Vasily. One ping only please.”
SFAW
@zhena gogolia:
Now WHO can argue with that?
West of the Rockies
@cain:
What about Miller? Now there’s a telegenic, charismatic fellow, yes?//
LAO
@Ella in New Mexico: My money is on concern trolling.
Barbara
@OzarkHillbilly: Most of the federal arrangements are with locations that are farther away, e.g., rural locations in Virginia. But yes, that’s where he might be going.
Betty Cracker
@Ella in New Mexico: I would not go so far as to call it “concern trolling,” but I do think Marshall might be overstating it to say there’s a credible threat of criminal charges. An authoritarian is firing and ruining the careers of government officials he doesn’t like, which is obviously alarming, so I cut Marshall some slack. It’s a thin line between justifiable concern and paranoia these days.
SFAW
@hitchhiker:
You first, Rudy, you treasonous motherfucker. I hear Rikers is nice this time of year, and you can winter-over in Attica.
Gin & Tonic
@zhena gogolia: I always liked the term “liquid consonant.”
Adam L Silverman
@Ella in New Mexico: McCabe’s case had been referred by the IG investigation into McCabe, to the US Attorney in DC for review to determine if charges should be brought. All the lawyers that specialize in this stuff think a prosecution is very unlikely unless inappropriate legal pressure is brought to bear. Strzok may face a number of disciplinary actions if he isn’t smart enough to just quickly retire (he’s got the time in), as a result of the IG’s report. He could be stripped of his SES rank. He could be terminated. The worst thing he could be accused of is using his work phone to send personal text messages. Which, while stupid, is not a crime. My guess is he’ll be allowed to retire. If he hasn’t filed his paperwork already, or at least has it ready to go, then he’s an idiot.
hitchhiker
@Cheryl Rofer:
Can’t help but think about all the small-time crooks and drug-users who are routinely locked up in places like Rikers without so much as a nod to what it will mean for them. What exactly has Manafort done that merits so much solicitation? He’s been dealing with people even his daughters know are murderous thugs for decades. He does have nice suits, and of course the correct genitalia & level of melanin.
cain
@West of the Rockies:
I was thinking of that rotten SOB. Absolutely, he’d make a perfect press secretary, and he’ll rule over those clods like a harpy. But not sure who his deputy would be.
cwmoss
@dr. bloor: The movie was Crumb, directed by Terry Zwigoff. One of the great documentaries.
cain
@Adam L Silverman:
I bet Trump will be petty and take it away from him like he did with that other fella before he was to retired.
OzarkHillbilly
From TPM:
“This just isn’t supposed to happen to people like us! We get to do anything we like!”
SiubhanDuinne
@Barbara:
I’m just quoting what the MSNBC reporter (Ken Delaney?) said. He didn’t specify location, just said Manafort would be taken into custody immediately “in this building right behind me” (Federal Courthouse) and later would be taken to “a county jail.”
ETA: I assume somewhere DelMarVa-ish.
Manyakitty
@dr. bloor: Crumb is an excellent doc. Amazing to think R. is the best adjusted one!
cain
BTW, OT – but I’m still really fucking bugged by the children in cages thing. My problem is that we have children who have no legal status or even representation. I don’t know the background of these workers who are handling them. It just seems like a place for pedaphiles to show up and have kids abused and molested. I also feel that this is a test, that the administration is watching how people react to this, and the next step is going to be something much worse. If we don’t actively push hard on this, we are going to be so immorally bankrupt in the eyes of the rest of the world that we will never be able to crawl back.
That the Republican party is absolutely silent on this, as they have been with eveything else and yet I still see polls that give them more than 40% approval ratings in some places is a travesty. I think I was seeing governor races where these asshole R governors are keeing their jobs.
Cheryl Rofer
@hitchhiker: I think you’ve got it about right. Plus he’s got expensive lawyers who can make it hard for the court.
There may be a behind-the-scenes element too, in which Mueller is “courting” him to get him to flip. “Like it in your own house, guy? There’s a way you can stay there until the trial and maybe in the future…”
Manyakitty
@hitchhiker: Better idea: Put Rudy in jail by next week.
SFAW
@LAO:
I don’t think Josh is prone to that. And concern trolling is more a case of “Oh, don’t be mean to the traitorous motherfuckers, because they might not vote for a Dem if you do!!! OMFG!!!”
What I read Josh saying is that Shitgibbon and his minions have gone far beyond norms, reasonableness, sanity, etc., in their effort to kill the investigation, and they have acted in as punitive a way as they can find — short of killing (figuratively speaking) Mueller et al. That’s not concern trolling, that’s extrapolating past performance to hypothesize a possible outcome.
MomSense
@raven:
One of the greatest recordings of all time.
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@Barbara: I was wondering if they are concerned about Russian mob contacts (or contracts) in the facilities they send him too. Podunk county facilities might be safe at least for a short time.
Adam L Silverman
@cain: There’s a difference here. McCabe was trying to get to 30 years before retirement. He could have retired at anytime after 20 years of service. It just happened that McCabe’s retirement date was in play as the IG investigation into his actions played out and got caught up in the issues between the President and AG Sessions. Strzok is, if I’m recalling correctly from the reporting, at 24 years of service at the FBI. So he can retire at any time. If he doesn’t have too much paid time off accrued and unused, he should be able to get out in short order. That was one of the issues with McCabe – he was burning up his paid leave, which is required, before he could formally, officially retire.
Adam L Silverman
When did we get a High Tribunal of Judges?
SiubhanDuinne
@MomSense:
Good analogy!
Fester Addams
@Gin & Tonic:
What’s that? A loogie?
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: I’m buying my white wig and will go looking for a bong if they’re taking volunteers.
J R in WV
@Aardvark Cheeselog:
We had an elderly cat who caught and ate an entire rabbit, but for the fur on the rabbit’s butt, which is how we knew what was going on. It stopped him up totally. He was “cured” with what used to be called high colonic treatments, which he did not appreciate in spite of them saving his life.
When wife went to pick him up, they had her go to his cage to pick him up. ON the cage was a preprinted sticky that said “BITES” and on which was added “Hard!” He leaped into her arms when the door was opened.
He lived a long and happy life after that with metamucil fiber on every meal. Since then we have learned that canned pumpkin (no spices added) makes a wonderful additive to the diet of overweight critters, and keeps them from getting stopped up.
Have gotten an obese cat from 20 pounds of sphereosity down to 14 pounds of where she ought to be [but looks funny with all the extra skin~!] with pumpkin additive, but now she’s just on a well controlled diet, locked up in the imperial dining bathroom while dinner is being eaten.
Also, so glad the judge is putting Manafort into protective custody. Hoping M Cohen gets special treatment soonest, unless he really has proof of multiple felonies. Rumorage is encouraging in that vein.
Redshift
USA Today (my erstwhile employer) had a great photo to accompany their article on this. The guy in the background is my hero.
Elizabelle
@Adam L Silverman: Do you think McCabe can eventually get all that he would have been entitled to, without a vindictive fake ass traitor illegitimate POTUS throwing him out the door?
I think Trump’s vindictiveness against public servants is gonna help Democrats tremendously in the midterms. They pay attention to things like that, and this. is. not. normal.
Adam L Silverman
The midday of the in between sized sporks begins!
frosty
@Manyakitty: At the time he met his wife (girlfriend?) Alina (I think that’s the name) my friends and I couldn’t stand her. Lousy artist, ruined his comix. After seeing the movie I think she saved him from becoming like the rest of his family. A strange crew indeed.
Adam L Silverman
@Fester Addams: Nope, once you’re in loogie territory, you’re dealing with Hebrew.
Adam L Silverman
@Peale: Bong or gong? I’m guessing High Tribunals of Judges have gongs.
TenguPhule
@NotMax:
Not going to rest easy until he’s actually in jail and stays there.
And doesn’t wind up dead before his trial.
Redshift
@Adam L Silverman:
So, basically, Clinton Rules: Law Enforcement Edition…
Jeffro
I couldn’t stomach trying to watch Trumpov talk to “Fox and Friends” this morning, but I understand it was a real Doocy (lol
Here’s a list of all the quotes, lies, and insane shit he threw out there, just for everyone’s reference: The 49 Wildest Quotes From Donald Trump’s Bananas Interview With Fox News
(CNN writer’s comments/rebuttals are after each Trumpov comment)
Not normal, no siree…
Adam L Silverman
@Elizabelle: The suit is under way. He’s got a top notch attorney. Beyond that, I have no idea.
Manyakitty
@frosty: Huh. I need to think about that. For some reason, I connect him and Art Spiegelman. Are they friends? Competitors? Who knows? Then I watched American Splendor and now Harvey Pekar is mixed in there, too.
Adam L Silverman
@Redshift: Pretty much.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
Could he maybe pull a DeNiro on the way out? That would be totes awesome.
(actually that could be his response to every question at the inevitable press conference too…just an hour of him responding, “FUCK TRUMP!”)
TenguPhule
@Baud:
To be fair, this has never stopped the FBI before.
Platonailedit
The weekend couldn’t start any better.
TenguPhule
@Elizabelle:
Fuck that. Their retirement should involve a revolver, a glass of whiskey and a mirror.
They know what they did.
Teddys Person
@Aardvark Cheeselog: Two pieces of good news in one post.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
– what statement?
– I didn’t dictate any statement
– Maybe I dictated it…I don’t remember
– (lawyers: he dictated it)
– Ok I did dictate it and it was mostly true
– Ok I did dictate it and since it wasn’t going to a ‘high tribunal of judges’ it’s ok if it wasn’t completely truthful
– Ok it was an out and out lie, I’m still better than Hillary
– Plus Kim likes me
– And the NFL players don’t get to ‘escape to the locker room’, either.
TenguPhule
@Elizabelle:
Withholding evidence from the defense. Named for the infamous Brady case where the prosecution withheld evidence which could have helped the defendant’s case and resulted in him being found not guilty.
VOR
@J R in WV: One of my cats likes to nibble on paper as a way to demand attention. She only does it when a human is present, never by herself. Once she got really stopped up and the vet had to do a colonoscopy to get 7 big balls of paper out of her innards. Not appreciated. But it has been many years so it did not appear to cause any permanent harm. Unfortunately it didn’t stop the paper eating either.
frosty
@Manyakitty: All three were writing underground comix but that’s the only connection I know. Not in the same city or the same time, either.
Mike in DC
Assumptions:
1. Manafort knows something about the Russian interference op, something not yet public knowledge, something big
2. The fact that Mueller has gone so hard at Manafort tends to support this
3. Manafort has likely been asked or pressured to cooperate
4. Reason number 1 why he hasn’t: holdimg out for a pardon. The down side is that now he will be sitting in jail waiting.
5. Reason number 2: he atrogantly expects to beat the charges. This seems increasingly doubtful.
6. Reason number 3: Oleg and Vlad will kill him and/or his family if he talks.
7. I think he’s not going to hold out for a pardon. I think the key is to give adequate assurances that he and his family will be safer if he cooperates than if he doesn’t.
raven
@TenguPhule: How’s the weather?
Adam L Silverman
Kallstrom got a payoff…
Tim C.
@Adam L Silverman: huh…. why her, why now?
jonas
I’ve been following in a casual way this whole IG report story, but can someone explain what, exactly, Strzok did — other than not like Trump — that is apparently worth sending him to jail over? Did he lie about evidence? Cover something up? Of course we all know Trump is a fascist at heart and would like to lock up everyone who didn’t vote for him, but aside from this…
TenguPhule
@Ella in New Mexico:
His argument seems valid based on the facts at hand.
catclub
@LAO:
but most people do not get caught committing further crimes while out on bail.
randy khan
@OzarkHillbilly:
I wonder why Manafort’s wife was so surprised. You try to tamper with witnesses, you’re going to have trouble staying out on bond, and you have to assume his lawyers told him that before the hearing. In any event, perhaps the gravity of the situation is dawning on them. Actually sitting in jail can change your attitude.
TenguPhule
@raven:
Thankfully cool this morning. In about 4 hours this will change.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: What’s funny about this whole thing, if anything could be considered funny, is that if he and Page had just used burner personal phones rather than their work phones to prevent their spouses from knowing about the affair, the IG would’ve just issued a one page statement that what agents and personnel do on their own time and on their own personal communications devices that is legal is outside the purview of his office to review.
Peale
@Kay: yep. I think it’s gone Beyond hoping that some nice guy will walk in win a campaign solely on .25 cent donations from the little people and then hound up these guys on kstreet. Nope. Sticks and cages we need so that they are actually afraid of us. Take three ceos and four bankers and parade them around for public beatings. Maybe that will help send the message that their “connections” aren’t that valuable to the republic.
TenguPhule
@jonas:
That’s it. Their entire case is based on his “We’re not going to let him win.”
They have spun straw into golden bullshit.
TenguPhule
@Betty Cracker:
Sometimes its only a matter of time these days.
Adam L Silverman
@Tim C.: Part of the ongoing infighting among the White House comms team. And overall jockeying for position for influence. If you bring her down, you dirty up her tubby hubby who runs CPAC. And you put a major crimp into their jointly owned, but run by said tubby hubby, lobbying shop that has seen something like a 500% increase in business and profits since the President was inaugurated.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
The White House Press Pool are spineless idiots who can’t do a followup to save their own lives.
JPL
@Adam L Silverman: That seems important.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: Beyond that, he just admitted that he drafted a false statement on Russian intelligence contacts in June 2016 with his son, his campaign manager, and his son in law who is now his Senior Advisor. As soon as that came across the TV at the Special Counsel’s office, Bob Mueller reached for a new file folder…
Platonailedit
Hope this is just the beginning of the end of a treasonous presidency.
Tim c
@Adam L Silverman: Got it. It’s hard to keep track of it all, even for us interested amateurs
Calouste
@randy khan:
They’ve gotten away with everything for 30 years. It is a bit of a shock when things no longer work that way.
LAO
@catclub: As I noted in my original comment.
I understand it is unpopular to have a general level of sympathy for people accused of committing crimes — but I can’t help t, I do. It’s probably why I’m a criminal defense attorney.
George Spiggott
@Adam L Silverman:
Way back, I used to work in San Francisco’s financial district. While walking along Market Street, I often passed Robert Crumb’s brother, Maxon, and many times saw him in his lotus position swallowing a cheesecloth. Never knew who this crazy person was until I saw the documentary “Crumb”. His reasoning for the cheesecloth routine:
Every three weeks, Maxon Crumb swallows a long strip of purification cloth, a kriya (yogic discipline) that alleviates his chronic stomach pain. That pain, he says, is the legacy of his father who, while stationed in Shanghai in 1938, shot a beggar in the stomach. In Crumb’s mind, that event triggered a karmic chain that still plays out in his troubled stomach.
JPL
This is the only thing Trump tweeted since Manafort was ordered to jail
LAO
@Adam L Silverman: He did. I laughed. The spin will be — I was just lying to the press. Is that a crime?
Adam L Silverman
@jonas: The only thing he did wrong was use his work cell phone to text the FBI attorney he was having an affair with on her work cell phone. That isn’t illegal, just stupid. If they wanted to keep their affair secret from their spouses, they should have bought burner phones and used them.
TenguPhule
Dumber then a sack full of rocks.
LAO
@randy khan: Spouses are always surprised.
Adam L Silverman
The House Invertebrate Caucus wins the day!
WereBear
@randy khan: I figured they got away with so much, for so long, this didn’t register until things “got real.”
LAO
ROTFLMAO:
It is not a sentence. He can’t even get basic facts right.
Marcopolo
What a lovely thing to see directly coming out of the RBG documentary.
And yes, see the film. It was amazing!
E
@zhena gogolia: And MLB’er Doug Gwosdz, nicknamed “eye chart.”
Baud
@LAO: That is the most generous thing someone could say about Trump.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: This interview was being conducted by the senior of the Boobs from one of the Blonde With Two Boobs morning show.
TenguPhule
DOW down over 200 points. Wheeee!
schrodingers_cat
When does his trial begin?
Adam L Silverman
@George Spiggott: Apparently extra strength Maalox wasn’t getting the job done…
TenguPhule
This is gonna suck
lollipopguild
@Adam L Silverman: Spineless is as spineless does.
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: yep. Supporting our troops foundations. Are there any charities out there or foundations that actually do anything but lobby for the defense industry or Allow wealthy men to appear to be public spirited as they pass money to each other tax free? Maybe “supports the military” needs to be removed as a reason to have tax exempt status.
Platonailedit
@LAO:
raven
~Spain vs Portugal comin up
JPL
@LAO: He dictated that one. If he typed the tweet, it would be one continuous train of thought.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
Whah? Weren’t they bundling it with cashola for his Beautiful Wall?
I understand nothing; I’m a virtual Jon Snow.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: China announced retaliatory tariffs and then the White House slapped China with a bunch of tech tariffs. So not surprising.
ruemara
I, personally, cannot wait for a prison reunion for the entire Trump Campaign & Administration staff.
Jeffro
@LAO: that’s awesome!
“ he is a Republican establishment figure who also happens to be a criminal mastermind who I just happen to accidentally bring on board as my MOTHERFUCKING CAMPAIGN MANAGER for a half year…now then, let’s talk about the lady who was investigated 18 ways to Sunday across 30 years and never even charged with jaywalking “
Panic much, Trumpov?
Adam L Silverman
@Peale: Fisher House.
SFAW
@E:
What’s even weirder is that it’s spelled “Gwosdz,” but it’s pronounced “Throat Wobbler Mangrove.”
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: I’m surprised the market appears to have realized this is a bad thing.
Stan
Oh please be Riker’s Island.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
They clearly skimmed through chapter 15 of “affairs for dummies” far too quickly.
THANKS A LOT, GUYS!!
Baud
@ruemara: I wish Johnny Cash were still alive so he could have a concert in front of them.
bemused
@Aardvark Cheeselog:
Oh, that face!
sukabi
@Ella in New Mexico: it might be that he’s concerned that Sessions may (as he’s doing in the case of ordering the kidnapping of immigrant children) make up his own ‘laws’. Let’s call it “retaliatory justice”.
At this point it doesn’t seem like much of a stretch.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: Ryan made it clear that if the President says he won’t sign a bill, that Ryan won’t bring it up for a vote. So:
Frankensteinbeck
@Adam L Silverman:
Ryan. All Ryan. He knows damn well if he introduced any kind of non-poison bill, it would pass with moderate Republican support and universal Democratic support. But being a sadistic shit, he sees no need to help people unless there’s an advantage in it for him.
EDIT – @Adam L Silverman:
Trump is such a chickenshit coward, if they put it in front of him, I give 50/50 he won’t veto it. What he says is, as always, meaningless grunts with no connection to reality.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
The Staples/Office Max delivery guy must be pretty tired at this point. Because there are a LOT of folders in that office.
Baud
@TenguPhule: The market has infinite inexhaustible faith in the GOP.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Bless their hearts.
SFAW
@Platonailedit:
Which only proves that the Corrupt FBI was Corrupt. Derp State! Lock Her Up!!
Litlebritdifrnt
Ha Ha and Cohen can’t have his restraining order against Avenatti! Bwahahahahahahah. What a day!
LAO
@Stan: Ah, no. Mantafort is being prosecuted in Virginia. And anyway, NYC has two federal pre-trial detention centers (MCC in Manhattan and the MDC in Brooklyn). We got a lot of federal crime here.
zhena gogolia
@Platonailedit:
When this is all over (if it ever is), we’re going to need the biggest Truth and Reconciliation Commission the world has ever seen.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: They buy in bulk. From Amazon. Just to piss the President off.//
Peale
@JPL: I really hope the first generation and naturalized citizens who can vote are paying attention and will come out in droves this fall. I hope they make the connection between “ending chain migration” and reuniting with their families legally. It’s been nonstop Hispanic and Muslim bashing in midterms by the GOP since 2010 and it appears that the voters most impacted by that don’t really care about the issue. If they came out like the old bigots come out that would go a long way towards shutting the GOP the fuck up.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Marcopolo: I love that they found friends of RBG going back to her childhood.
Her husband was a pretty cool guy too.
Adam L Silverman
Holy CRAP! Mattis locked, loaded, weapons free, and fired for effect at Naval War College today:
Ruckus
@Calouste:
Yes. I’d bet that to play at that level one would have to convince one’s self of one’s righteousness and place in the world. However misplaced that entire line of bullshit might be. And at some point the bullshit might actually hit the fan. And that will be an entirely unexpected slap in the face for people that have gotten away with the bullshit they have for decades.
Frankensteinbeck
@Peale:
I’m wondering about Puerto Rican refugees (does that word apply if it’s the same country?) in Florida. It wouldn’t take much to tip Florida strongly blue for the forseeable future, and that would fuck Republican shit up badly.
Another Scott
@Frankensteinbeck: It’s not just Ryan. It’s the whole GOP leadership since Goodlatte (with Boehner’s help/acquiescence/direction) killed the Senate bi-partisan immigration bill (68 votes in the Senate) in 2013. Politico has a history.
Of course the GOP not going to pass a bill. But in addition, they’re indicating that they think that the House is simply an instrument of the White House. They’re breaking the Separation of Powers and being quite upfront about it.
They don’t care.
That’s (one of many reasons) why they have to be voted out.
144 days to go. Eyes on the prize…
Cheers,
Scott.
Peale
@zhena gogolia: those only work with promises of generalized amnesty to everyone. Since one side followed the law generally while the other is full of criminals, I don’t want reconciliation. Truth and a few heads on pikes. Or we’ll end up like the damn fools in Star Wars episode XXIV who have destroyed the empire only to put it back in place 10 years laters.
schrodingers_cat
@Adam L Silverman: The so called “moderate” bill is not moderate at all. It gives T most of what he wants and decreases legal immigration by 40 to 50%.
Platonailedit
Finally, one msm journo telling it like it is.
Jeffro
@LAO: interesting little giveaway there: Who said anything about the mob, Mr. President ?
SFAW
@Frankensteinbeck:
WTF is your problem? Have you suddenly taken “be nice to ZEGS” meds?
It’s not that he “sees no need to help people”; it’s that he actively tries — and has tried, for most of his Congressional career — to harm people who aren’t wealthy/white and so forth.
TenguPhule
Creepy AF.
Platonailedit
JPL
@Peale: It’s time for democratic members of congress to march outside with signs, demanding a vote.
Cheryl Rofer
ETA: In case you’re wondering why Manafort doesn’t flip…
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat: It wasn’t my descriptive.
raven
Pretty boy scores on a PK!
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
So its a good thing Trump just torpedoed it.
On the other hand, we get to spend every day until election day subject to Trump’s echo chamber blaming the Democrat’s for Kelly’s concentration camp policy.
Chet Murthy
@Peale:
You’d think this’d be a given, wouldn’t you? But I’ve seen interviews with immigrants who are Trumpist, b/c “they came here legally; those others are illegals”. And other shit. As if the jokers in pointy white hoods give a damn. And then there’s Verma, Shah, and others in his administration ….. ffs. ffs. Yeah, I hope us naturalized citizens do our first jobs, too.
@Frankensteinbeck: Honest-to-god, I have greater hope in displaced Puerto Ricans. B/c they know it ain’t gettin’ better unless they vote, and they see what the current admin thinks of them.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: So he’ll be gone by Monday?
schrodingers_cat
@Adam L Silverman:Your descriptor of invertebrate was on the money.
Jeffro
@Platonailedit: wonder of wonders, I had just emailed that little bit of information to my wingnut dad, who might just might be having a little bit of an epiphany today about the crooks that he has been slavishly defending for two years now
( he’s a former cop, so when someone gets their bail revoked for witness tampering, I guess that cuts through the fog of all the fox news he watches )
But he has played Lucy with the football before so I will wait until I hear definitively that the scales have fallen from his eyes before I take a run at the ball
-Charlie B
TenguPhule
@Frankensteinbeck:
Florida’s Republican legislature and governor are working to prevent Puerto Ricans from being able to vote in Florida.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Doubtful.
WaterGirl
@JPL:
I love that!
Joe Falco
@Platonailedit: Or as Churchill might say: “It is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
I hope this does signal a new phase into toppling Trump as the investigation strikes closer and closer toward the orange shitstain.
Gin & Tonic
It’s my lucky day! Not only is Paul Fucking Manafort sent to jail, I just got an e-mail from a Mr. Larry Bruce informing me of a payment of 500,000 EUR. All I have to do is respond to his e-mail.
TomatoQueen
OT: Cronny scores pen for Porto. Ten minutes gone.
TenguPhule
@Cheryl Rofer:
uh oh.
schrodingers_cat
@Chet Murthy: The media only interviews Rs (President Obama won the naturalized citizen vote both times he ran by a substantial margin) be they WWC, naturalized citizen or whatever other demographic you can think of. They seek out Republicans to interview, hence thee countless write-ups about real Americans in diners in the T-land.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Peale: Well to be honest, once the Senate had degenerated to the point where Jar-Jar Binks was a senator, it had probably lost all credibility or effectiveness.
Ruckus
@LAO:
The respect for how the law is supposed to work is great. The part that probably gets to a lot of people is how it really doesn’t always work that way. PM gets bail because he can afford a good lawyer(s). What about the thousands of people who can’t and don’t get it because they can’t afford better than the overworked, underpaid pubic defender, who can spend 3-5 minutes at most on their case? Last jury duty I pulled I sat in the hallway outside a courtroom and watched this unfold. Lawyer talks to the guy/gal for 30 seconds before they walk in. The guy is there with his wife/kid and his lawyer has to read the file to know his name. I’d bet this gets replayed all day, every day, outside every courtroom in the land. And I think this because I’ve seen this play out every time I’ve been on jury duty, in 2 different counties in CA and in OH.
Gelfling 545
@Aardvark Cheeselog: Years ago I had a dog who was a sweet but dumb Doberman. He ate a pair pf panty hose and about half of a down parka while I was at work. The excrementary results were amazing and appalling.
Ruckus
@LAO:
A moron can’t get basic facts right. Hmmmmm, I think I see the issue here.
Brachiator
@Adam L Silverman:
Interesting. So, Trump is definitely the Dear Leader of the GOP. They look to him for everything.
They are even, for now, abandoning the cynic play. If they put together a bill with something for DACA and the Wall, when it was inevitably defeated they could point at the Dems as not carrying about the Dreamers and not carrying about America. This is of course BS, but would let the GOP rouse the rabble for the midterms.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: One person made a wild ass suggestion. It isn’t going anywhere. The Florida legislature is not coming back into a special session to do this. They’re treading very, very carefully because they know the influx of Puerto Ricans has the ability to flip the state legislature.
WereBear
And now we have him as President.
Another Scott
LOLGOP makes a good point – https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/1007686320632881153
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Gelfling 545
@Platonailedit: Well, you see, if he worked 144 days he, perforce, worked 49 days. He just worked some more days as well. Or maybe Trump’s insinuating that he didn’t work very hard so only really worked the equivalent of 49 days in 144? Or maybe Trump’s a damned liar.
YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)
@Adam L Silverman:
@Adam L Silverman: I would think hiding a burner phone would be harder to do and later explain than messages on a work phone from a co-worker. Not really stupid, just too clever by half.
FlipYrWhig
@Adam L Silverman:
I guaran-damn-tee you this is just like his “strong dollar” nonsense where he doesn’t really know what it means or what it does but he likes the word “strong.” All he knows is that if there’s a “moderate” bill then the people in his TV will hate it and it’s important to please them, so he’d better pick the other one.
Ruckus
@Jeffro:
Probably a whole 40 ft semi trailer’s worth about now. I’d bet they are thinking of adding a wing on the building, the drumpf wing, filled entirely with file cabinets. 20,000 sq ft. They are hoping it will be enough.
Adam L Silverman
As someone who is good friends with someone whose fiance, then a contractor after being medically separated from the Navy because of an accident during BUDS (SEAL school), was killed racing to get his principal to safety at the US bases around Baghdad International Airport (BIAP), this is just ghoulish:
MomSense
@Gelfling 545:
I had a lab who ate pantyhose. It was quite an ordeal getting it out with me holding two big twigs like a giant pair of chopsticks. I had to try and help him after watching him drag his ass across the back yard looking pitiful.
Ruckus
@Peale:
We are on an eight year schedule in the ole US of A. Change parties every 8 yrs just to see how the other side does it. One side does OK the the other side only knows how to fuck up a wet dream.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
And if the supply ever runs low, Trump will be more then happy to make more of them available.
JPL
https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/status/1007690889504927745
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
First thought: Kevin Bacon is now doing defense analysis? (always read carefully)
Thought, the other: how many of those NWC grads voted for Trump (“because I can’t trust her!”) and are now experiencing cognitive dissonance? I hope “all of them, Katie” but suspect there’s significant cohort that are not.
Josie
@MomSense: It’s amazing how willing we are to surrender our dignity when our dogs need our help. I kept my son’s pug while he was in law school, and several times I had to pull long threads out which were the remains of a rug she had chewed up. I’m glad no one was taking pictures.
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
I make it a rule to always trust guys with two first names.
Gelfling 545
@West of the Rockies: I don’t see why not. It’s not like anybody’s likely to feel moved to pull a Jack Ruby on him.
catclub
@Peale:
yep, and if Latino voters in Texas voted that way the Democrats could rule texas.
and I would also like a pony.
catclub
@Adam L Silverman: so maybe La David(?) Johnson’s widow might not be the first one on the show?
J R in WV
@Cheryl Rofer:
You think he will still have expensive lawyers after all his assets are forfeited to the Federal government? His bail was all of his assets, and bail was revoked, so he doesn’t even have any real property to borrow against.
Maybe someone will fund some lawyering for him, or maybe he’s gonna have to get used to being under the bus now.
Gelfling 545
@OzarkHillbilly: Yeah. Just wait untill he tries to call for the concierge.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: If the NWC student body composition is similar to that at USAWC, then probably 2/3 identify as politically conservative. Now whether they actually vote or not is another matter. A lot of the colonels attending USAWC had begun moving towards the example being set by a lot of the general officers to not register to vote and to not vote as the military is supposed to be apolitical.
TomatoQueen
After Diego Costa’s equalizer, it looked like Spain. Cronny has just done it again, 2-1 Porto. Half-time.
Adam L Silverman
@catclub: I think you missed my point. This is needlessly cruel in a pursuit of ratings. Even if this particular widow is willing to participate, it is going to devastate numerous others just hearing about it. When I thought I was going to be deploying back to Iraq in 2014, I spoke with several mutual friends and we all agreed that the story was I was just being assigned out of Florida again.
Jeffro
@JPL: aaannnnnndddd Mueller reaches for ANOTHER file…
catclub
@J R in WV:
there sure are a lot of Trump related people who have gofundme accounts for lawyers fees. Stone, Pruitt, Papadopalous, who else?
Also, pointed questions come up when K street lobbyists are donating to pruitt’s legal defense fund.
WaterGirl
@Josie: @MomSense: Who among us hasn’t pulled some creepy, disgusting, dangling item out of our dog’s butt? Yes, I speak from experience.
Jager
@Aardvark Cheeselog: Three German Shepherds ago, my dog was given one of those great big chew ropes on his birthday. One morning he was kind of grumpy. We went off to the dog park, I unhooked him and he went to a far corner and squatted and squatted and then squatted some more, I walked over and noticed his his doggie turds were all strung together like Italian sausages, I put the plastic poop bag over my hand, bent down and gave him a much needed assist. My dog park pals gave me a round of applause. NEVER give your dog one of those chew ropes, UNDERSTAND!
J R in WV
@Josie:
Back when we still did xmas trees, I once pulled about 36 inches of plastic tree tinsel out of one of our cats. No harm done, but ewwww! Funny now, though!
Gin & Tonic
Mueller has reported to Judge Kimba Wood that the FBI has “obtained” the unencrypted contents of Mikey Cohen’s encrypted Signal and WhatsApp messages, along with his call logs. 731 pages worth.
Hope it’s an extra-long weekend at 1600 Penn Ave.
Tehanu
@RSolavad: Go away and nurse your ridiculous ignorance elsewhere.
Gelfling 545
@MomSense: Now picture all that with feathers.
Tom
@Tehanu: In RSolavad’s defense, it may have sounded better in the original Russian.
Sab
@Jager: How old is too old to get a German shepherd? Mine died ten years ago, and no dog since has really been an adequate replacement. I’ve had some great dogs since, but I really prefer my dog to be smarter than me.
Miss Bianca
@Aardvark Cheeselog: I dunno, she looks a little chastened to me. Glad to hear she is on the road to recovery!
ruemara
@RSolavad: Fuck you with a nuclear jackhammer.
Miss Bianca
@Redshift: “Manafort had nothing to do with the campaign”, according to Trump?
Hello…erm…I may be misremembering – I’ll blame the shit-tsunami of the news cycle the past few years – but wasn’t Paul Manafort Trump’s freaking campaign MANAGER?! “Nothing to do with the campaign”? Is that this week’s “he was just the covfefe boy”?
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: And a whole bunch of pieced back together shredded documents.
Adam L Silverman
@Sab: Might I recommend upsizing to the dog that walks like a bear?
https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/tibetan-mastiff/
Miss Bianca
@JPL: Fucking seriously? But why am I surprised? It’s as others here have noted, the classic abuser’s rationalization: “You MADE me hit you! Next time, just do what I SAY, bitch!”
Sab
@Adam L Silverman: @Adam L Silverman: It would probably eat all my cats, also my husband and possibly me. (Pedants: should I have put in a third comma after “husband”?)
ixnay
@VOR: I had a cat who would eat dryer sheets. Mostly she threw them up, but one day she did not and was obstructed. As not only her personal owner but also her vet, I was within half an hour of taking her to surgery. My tech literally forced as much Laxatone (essentially flavored vaseline) as possible down her gullet and she eventually pooped out the dryer sheet. Now I tie them in knots before disposal. Sadly, the standard poodle likes wash cloths and paper towels.
Adam L Silverman
@Sab: They’re just big, fluffy sweeties!
Ruckus
@Sab:
An ex had a wonderful GS. She was one of the best dogs I’ve been around. Ex used to breed her and most of the pups went fast. But ex kept one. Dumbest fucking dog I’ve ever known. By a long ways. Even the pups mom couldn’t believe how dumb. We were by the reservoir, which had a shallow area that was about 1/4 mile wide. Mom decided to take pup for a swim, pups maybe 10 months old. Mom does everything possible to show and teach him and nothing. She walks back in to shore shaking her head side to side as if to say “What a dumbass!” I almost fell down laughing. She also tried to teach the pup to play fetch. Not possible. She just gave up after that.
Rand Careaga
@Sab: Well, I’m almost sixty-six, and my German Shepherd/Husky mix is ten, and when he pegs out—may that day be long deferred—I’m going to adopt another. I’ve taken enormous moral improvement over the years merely attempting to live up to this one’s opinion of me.
ETA: Oh, and smart? He’s a doggie Einstein. Way smarter than the single troll upthread, which admittedly is not setting the bar very high.