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World Cup Open Thread: Day Five

by Anne Laurie|  June 18, 20187:50 am| 21 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Sports

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South Korea's manager has admitted that his players have exchanged shirts during training sessions and friendlies in order to mislead the Swedes:

"We are using this tactic because I know that for Europeans, it is difficult to distinguish Asians [by face]."#Russia2018 pic.twitter.com/5GsiSMaOTE

— Seleção Brasileira (@BrazilStat) June 17, 2018

Sweden v South Korea at 8am EDT. Belgium v Panama at 11am. Tunisia v England at 2pm.

FIFA liveblog et al at the Google link.

Mexico’s win yesterday seems to have been quite popular, at least in Mexico, per NYMag:

Mexico’s stunning upset win over Germany in the World Cup on Sunday may have shocked more than soccer fans. At the same time El Tri forward Hirving Lozano scored Mexico’s winning goal at Luzhniki Stadium in Moscow, at least two seismic sensors detected a minor earthquake in Mexico City, according to a monitoring agency run by Mexico’s Institute of Geological and Atmospheric Research…

SIMMSA theorized that the artificial quake was caused by all the fans in the city jumping up and down in celebration of the goal, and later noted that a similar reading was detected in Lima following Peru’s World Cup goal on Saturday…

Mexico’s fans had every reason to be excited, as the team didn’t just soundly defeat Germany — the reigning World Cup champion — for the first time ever in the tournament, but did so as a +600 underdog in the match. That makes their win on Sunday the biggest upset of the tournament thus far (and a big money-maker for anybody who gambled on them). And Mexico fans are hoping El Tri can build on the victory to ultimately overcome a streak of six consecutive round-0f-16 exits at the tournament…

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  1. 1.

    Lee

    June 18, 2018 at 8:02 am

    Over at reddit it seems that even some Germans are happy for Mexico’s win.

  2. 2.

    JR

    June 18, 2018 at 8:05 am

    @Lee: Low is going to hear about this a lot

  3. 3.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2018 at 8:12 am

    The New York Magazine writer clearly doesn’t understand football. A 1-0 win is not “soundly defeating” your opponent. It is a victory but only by the smallest possible margin. Germany’s finishing was poor on the day, but Mexico were riding their luck.

  4. 4.

    Steeplejack

    June 18, 2018 at 8:23 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m trying to figure out what a “+600 underdog” is.

  5. 5.

    kd bart

    June 18, 2018 at 8:28 am

    @Steeplejack: 6 to 1

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2018 at 8:28 am

    @Steeplejack:
    He clearly doesn’t understand probability, either.

  7. 7.

    Victor Matheson

    June 18, 2018 at 8:44 am

    More intuitively, +600 means a $100 bet wins you +$600 when Mexico wins.

  8. 8.

    Humdog

    June 18, 2018 at 8:57 am

    Mexican jumping beans caused an earthquake? Ha!

  9. 9.

    droog

    June 18, 2018 at 8:58 am

    @Amir Khalid:
    In this context I don’t think it’s too bad. I would say it is a sound outcome because Mexico had Germany all figured out, offensively and defensively. It wasn’t a miracle win but a surgical dismantling of the opponent. Mexico decided on weathering the weight of German possession in exchange for counter-attacks. But then it seems they cleverly allowed for that imbalance in ball posession whilst neutralising Kroos as the natural playmaker on the German side. So Germany were allowed to feel they had control whilst in truth being prevented from carrying out their mode of operation. Mexico’s defensive line was said to be below average due to injuries, yet they did their job (although I’m sure Ochoa would have been happy with fewer opportunities to save the day).

    If an underdog outfoxes a superior rival for 90+ minutes I can see how 1-0 would be described as a sound defeat.

  10. 10.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    June 18, 2018 at 9:01 am

    @Humdog: Chalk it up to the crackers crumbling at the end.

  11. 11.

    Amir Khalid

    June 18, 2018 at 9:16 am

    The British media are hyping England to the max, as they do every even-numbered year. England have ultimately disappointed in every tournament since 1966, but this year their strong point is manager Gareth Southgate. Southgate is competent, sane, an able and principled man-manager, and well-behaved. (That is to say, his private life is scandal-free unlike Sven-Goran Ericksson’s, and he’s not about to get caught in a discussion of match-fixing like his immediate predecessor Big Sam Allardyce.) I would like to be optimistic about their chances, but the team’s golden generation of the 1990s won exactly zip so I have my doubts.

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    Tony J

    June 18, 2018 at 9:56 am

    Yeah. The media will try – because they always try – to hype England’s chances, but this time around the national mood is more along the lines of “We might get out of the group, and anything after that is exceeding expectations”.

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    The Pale Scot

    June 18, 2018 at 10:07 am

    Amir Khalid, I have a question, your in Malaysia, right? My brother-in-law is wondering where his support staff which is located there went to. Calendar’s and google are no help finding out if a holiday is taking place there today. Is there something going on over there today?

  14. 14.

    MomSense

    June 18, 2018 at 11:35 am

    I want Mexico to win the World Cup. It would be such poetic justice for Mexico to win when the US didn’t even qualify to compete.

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    Leeds man

    June 18, 2018 at 11:48 am

    @Amir Khalid: The only British media I read are The Guardian, The Independent, and BBC online, and I’ve seen no “hyping” there. If you mean the tabloids, I suspect most competing countries have the same sort of nonsense.

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    HumboldtBlue

    June 18, 2018 at 12:07 pm

    I’m getting the BBC feed for the Belgium game and they have the worst Neville providing color. Phil Neville was never close to the player his brother was and that followed them to the booth. Coverage is crying out for Gary Neville.

    Dries!

  17. 17.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 18, 2018 at 12:09 pm

    @Leeds man:

    I agree, the Guardian, BBC, F365 and Independent have been pretty steady. There is optimism (as well there should be, this is a very good team) but nowhere near the over-hype we’ve seen in the past.

  18. 18.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 18, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    Panama misses a golden chance.

  19. 19.

    Leeds man

    June 18, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: “Coverage is crying out for Gary Neville.”

    Would be better, but I’d rather Lee Dixon.

  20. 20.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 18, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    @Leeds man:

    Lets go Engerland!

  21. 21.

    Leeds man

    June 18, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    England winning in the last minute? Unheard of! You beauty, HurriKane.

    Not sure why Lingard and Sterling stayed on for so long. Start Loftus-Cheek and Rashford next time?

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