A judge in Kansas just administered a brutal beatdown on what is probably their next governor, Kris Kobach (this is fucking Kansas, after all- if you really want to know what is the matter with Kansas, the answer is Kansans):
A restrictive law on voting in Kansas championed by Kris W. Kobach, the secretary of state, was struck down on Monday by a federal judge who said Mr. Kobach had failed during a trial to show evidence of widespread voter fraud.
The ruling was a blow to Mr. Kobach, a Republican who has emerged as a national figure on voting limits, a candidate for governor of Kansas and an ally of President Trump in part by claiming that large numbers of noncitizens have cast ballots in American elections. Experts on election law say that there is no evidence that voter fraud is a pervasive problem.
My favorite part:
Mr. Kobach “chose to represent his own office in this matter, and as such, had a duty to familiarize himself with the governing rules of procedure, and to ensure as the lead attorney on this case that his discovery obligations were satisfied despite his many duties as a busy public servant,” Judge Robinson wrote.
On Monday, she ordered that Mr. Kobach be required to complete six hours of legal education. Those six hours “must pertain to federal or Kansas civil rules of procedure or evidence,” she wrote.
This is the equivalent of a Sergeant Major bellowing “UNASS MY AO” to a young buck sergeant.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
Isn’t Kobach a lawyer? Yeah, that’s backhand to the face for sure.
Vhh
Sorry, but what is AO?
LAO
I peed myself (a little) when the judge ordered him to take 6 hours of CLE (Continuing Legal Education).
Spanky
Seems encouraging that msn.com is highlighting this NYT article:
More sunshine on the Koch brothers. Bring it!
Baud
You know Kansas is bad when a West Virginian throws shade on it.
germy
Cooley Law School graduate?
schrodingers_cat
He has no soul.
LeeM
@Vhh: Area of Operations. In other words, get your dumb ass out of my courtroom and don’t come back until you are educated on the rules and protocols.
different-church-lady
@Vhh: Area of Operation
(Yes, I had to Google that)
RSA
@different-church-lady:
I had to google Unass.
Nelle
A Kansan checks in to BJ. Because a rich man with no government experience is running as an independent, he will likely split the Democratic vote in a year that we might have had a better chance to pick up the governorship. It hasn’t been that long since we had a Democratic governor (Sibelius – and we had another female, Democratic governor earlier). But many friends are changing registration to Republican for the primary to try to block Kobach. He’s got an impressive pedigree (Harvard and Oxford) but he comes across dumber than a box of rocks. All I can do is ask for thoughts and prayers and we know how well that works.
Meanwhile, if you find yourself traveling across the beautiful prairie, do stop in the blue dot town of Lawrence. A lovely downtown and a place where you can breathe in freedom.
PaulWartenberg
if Kobach is a practicing lawyer that judge is within her rights to file him for disbarment. She also should have held in contempt of court for six months trying to pull this sh-t in her house.
Baud
@Nelle: Thanks. FWIW, we’re all rooting for you.
PaulWartenberg
@Nelle:
This is why we need runoffs. I guarantee you that independent is running as a splitter to divide the anti-Republican vote.
The next best solution is to try and convince enough Kansans to just fcking drop out of the GOP before the general election. Vote AGAINST Kobach in the primary and then even if he loses the primary just get the fck out of there. Everyone I know who got out of being a Republican has felt incredible spiritual relief when they did so.
trollhattan
@Nelle:
Waves back.
I recall Lawrence from when they blowed it up in “The Day After.” Seemed nice during the prologue.
trollhattan
@germy:
Harvard/Oxford/Yale.
I hope they’re proud of their work.
rikyrah
@LAO:
That was funny
efgoldman
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Not for long, maybe. Won’t matter to him
rikyrah
@Nelle:
Why is he running as an independent?
Did he lost one of the primaries?
efgoldman
@LAO:
Just maybe TMI
In practical terms, he can lose his license and it won’t really change anything. Assholes gotta’ asshole.
efgoldman
@rikyrah:
Usually to fuck things up for everyone else.
See also: Maine, vanity candidates for governor.
zhena gogolia
@Vhh:
Wow, you need to hang out at BJ more often.
Brachiator
@Spanky:
What? The Kochs think this would be a stronger country if people walked?
efgoldman
@Brachiator:
No logic to the RWNJ hatred of public transportation and rails. I think it has something to do with being a rich glibertarian.
ETA: “Public good” is not a concept in their ken
Omnes Omnibus
@PaulWartenberg: @efgoldman: He isn’t going to lose his license over this.
zhena gogolia
(Re post title) But did they put the little black cloth on top of her wig before she said it?
(I realize you’re referencing some Adam Sandler movie and not the countless British dramas in which the judge pronounces sentence.)
marcopolo
@Nelle: But Nelle, you didn’t mention the 7 teenagers who are also running for governor–one of whom apparently does not even live in KS. Has anyone suggested that perhaps instead of folks like Kobach worrying about minuscule numbers of folks voting improperly that they tighten up the requirements to run for gov?
Also, isn’t it just as possible the guy, Orman, running as an Ind will pull votes from disgusted R voters as D folks? From what I understand his Lt Gov running mate is a former R state senator.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I agree with your comment yesterday. All this agonizing does not change what we need to do this November. We need to win both houses, the man in the WH needs to be kept in check.
efgoldman
@Omnes Omnibus:
Probably not, but it wouldn’t make a difference in what he does and how. He’s absolutely convinced of his moral righteousness.
Spanky
@Brachiator: From the article:
Steve in the ATL
@efgoldman: he won’t, but wouldn’t matter anyway as he is a politician now and not a practicing lawyer.
Also, everyone please remember that all lawyers must get 12 hours of CLE every year (may vary slightly by state). The smackdown is that the judge ordered a specific subject matter to highlight his ignorance therein even though it was critical to his claims.
Vhh
@efgoldman: And not owning railroads.
Immanentize
@Baud:
Did you see this article about the New York Times not running very relevant tape of Stephen Miller in a podcast because the White House was uncomfortable with his voice on the air?
I’m only sharing so I can see you type the words….
Humdog
We need a funny pet stores thread!
I have a digging story. LAO can reshare her chewy toy in the bed story.
Some small break in the bullshit tsunami!!
marcopolo
@rikyrah: Orman says if you run under a party banner all those party folks wind up having expectations and making demands about your positions. Imagine that!
Here is his wiki page. Ran as an Ind for the US Senate in 2014 and lost to Pat Roberts–the D had pulled out to keep the non-R vote from being split.
Also too, being from across the border in MO, it is not like I have any bragging rights when it comes to living in a state that elects decent governors–glass houses, stones, etc…
Teddys Person
@Nelle: Lawrence has a history of being on the right side of history.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: I was annoyed yesterday.
@Immanentize: I’m not here for your amusement….
Oh, who am I kidding? Of course I am. The NYT is garbage.
joel hanes
continuing legal education
Was intended to shame Kobach, and will thus fail.
He has no shame, only self-righteous zeal.
Immanentize
@Baud: My Man!
Amir Khalid
@zhena gogolia:
I think the black hankie only goes on the judge’s horsehair wig for the death sentence, which would mean it hasn’t been done in the decades since Britain abolished capital punishment.
Yarrow
@Nelle:
I’m not following Kansas politics. Who is this rich man? I’m skeptical of anyone running to split Dem votes. Seems like something Russia would like. Has anyone looked into that?
hitchhiker
He wasted her time.
The message was, YOUR CASE WAS A BIG FAT NOTHINGBURGER AND YOU DAMN WELL SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT.
It is so weird to watch these guys who have lived inside their demented bubbles for so long step out into the sunlight and confront reality. I mean, I know Kobach is going to skitter right back into the loving arms of his fellow cray-crays, but just for a sweet moment there he had to stand up and hear the music. I hope it haunts his dreams.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@efgoldman:
Probably not. Good to see you back.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Teddys Person: Kansas was also the last home of William S. Burroughs, where he wrote a cat book, the Cat Inside (the title comes from about how he eventually wound up letting all his barn cats into the house).
http://kcur.org/post/william-s-burroughs-and-lawrence-kansas-linked-inexorably#stream/0
JPL
@Baud: Since I canceled ages ago, I can’t cancel again. They are afraid of losing coverage, because printing lies fed to them by the White House is so important.
Amir Khalid
@Amir Khalid:
If I remember my English* courtroom dramas correctly, the “May God have mercy on your soul” invocation is also specific tothe death sentence.
*Scotland has a different legal system and may also differ in courtroom rituals. I never saw any Scottish courtroom dramas.
sherparick
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Harvard Undergrad Summa cum Laude, PhD from University of Oxford, UK, and Yale Law School. Living proof that to maintain a reactionary and Conservative view of the world you have to make yourself more and more stupid, particularly if you enclose yourself in epistemic bubble of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and their ilk. 34 years after graduating from High School at the top of his class, he is ready to run as a White Supremacist Idiot to be elected by the other White Supremacist idiots of Kansas. And yes, Tom Franks, that is what’s the matter with Kansas, white privilege is a heck of a drug.
SRW1
@Brachiator:
Horses worked fine. Though at today’s number of people, what comes out of horse exhausts might be a problem.
Gelfling 545
@trollhattan: You can get into any with sufficient funds as has been plainly demonstrated.
Ladyraxterinok
@trollhattan: I also remember The Day After.
takebakawashi
@Steve in the ATL:
Teddys Person
Ted Cruz has an idea. From Raw Story:
Aside from continuing the policy of incarcerate immigrants indefinitely (although in family units). Are federal immigration judges appointed? Is this another move in their effort to stack the judiciary with Federalist Society picks?
Immanentize
@SRW1: Cars. Cars and lots of gas sales.
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: Shame on you for that comment, Baud. When you run in 2020, you have to be a President for all Americans. You shouldn’t be insulting whole states of potential voters.
MattF
Kobach is the one whose agenda, quite literally, was headed by creation of a database of all ‘aliens’. This is not theoretical fascism, folks, it’s the genuine article.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Spanky:
As always, follow the money.
Baud
@Teddys Person: Immigration judges are essentially civil servants. They aren’t appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate like regular judges.
zhena gogolia
@Amir Khalid:
In the Adam Sandler movie they use the final line of the death sentence, “and may God have mercy on your soul,” in the context of some dumb quiz, so it’s very funny. But I don’t think most people know where it comes from unless they’re Masterpiece Theater junkies like me.
Kay
What I like about it is she doesn’t give him the benefit of the doubt on incompetence. She indicates Kobach and his team are DISHONEST. She can’t sanction them for that because incompetence is always a possibility and she can’t prove intent, but she’s wacking them because they’re liars, not because they’re bad lawyers (although they are also bad lawyers).
I like that she treats them as adults. It’s about giodammned time someone did. Keep the high standard. Don’t lower it to let low quality people slide by. She doesn’t have to race to the bottom. They have to meet the standard.
Teddys Person
@Baud: Thanks for the info.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden:
Trump called Iowans stupid and won the state. My plan is to weaponize that strategy.
Dorothy Winsor
Mika did a good job today taking apart Nielsen’s statement from yesterday. She played clips contradicting what Nielsen said.
Amir Khalid
Can Kobach appeal this decision? If so, is he likely to win?
Kay
Kobach is the brain trust of the voter fraud liar caucus on the Right.
He’s the elite member. The best. The rest are worse. Mitt Romney and Donald Trump hired Kobach as the thought leader on the Right on voting issues. THAT’S how low standards are on the far Right. He can’t even conduct his side of a hearing and he is the best they have.
They don’t have a single credible person on voting among thousands of far Right activists. It’s garbage all the way down.
Mnemosyne
@Steve in the ATL:
I’m assuming that this is supposed to be in addition to his mandatory 12 hours and not folded into that?
(I peeked at the Google. 12 hours is the mandatory minimum annual CLE for Kansas.)
MattF
@Amir Khalid: My guess is that appeals court judges generally favor the concept that attorneys should be aware of rules of procedure.
Kay
I also love that she called him out on “tip of the iceberg”. The far Right have been claiming they would show their work on voter fraud for 20 years. This was their opportunity. They have nothing.
Adult professionals don’t get 50,000 tries, endless do-overs. She told them to put up or shut up and they had nothing and she had the courage to say that. There’s an adult in the room. She stepped up and did her job, unlike everyone else who has been bullied into pretending these people are serious. They’re clowns. They’re cheap grifters and liars. They always have been.
Kay
It’s a shame the US Supreme Court didn’t have the intellectual honesty to call them out a decade ago. They allowed this fleecing to continue. Cowards.
Aleta
I mentioned how the CBP has been doing warrantless “citizenship checks” at bus stations in NH, ME, VT (Concord and Greyhound). * Yesterday the CBP responded in court to a Maine ACLU filing. (CBP ignored the FOI Act request made in January.)
-Bangor Daily
Afaik, this is the first news report in the Bangor paper about what they’ve been doing for the last 6 months, and it was triggered by a passenger’s video that he provided to the ACLU. Again…the power of an individual’s video to focus media attention.
The Maine video is available at the ACLU site representing VT, NH and ME. The Maine ACLU (and ProPublica which publishing the sound video, taken clandestinely) are also in need of donations.
*Seemingly they just do it w/o asking the companies, as the passengers are boarding, and the companies have not refused them. Employees — usually only a clerk or two and the driver are on site) don’t have a clue when they show up.
But I don’t know whether the company heads have given permission. It’s on their property, so they could demand a warrant or else turn them away, but again the staffing up north is sparse and uninformed about what to do. So they “defer” to the uniform and the aggressiveness.)
Spanky
Continuing the story of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette firing its editorial cartoonist Rob Rogers, t looks like we’re heading toward civil war:
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
I believe that’s a Class B misdemeanor in most states.
;)
lgerard
I see your point
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Kay:
They punted on 2 gerrymandering cases recently too. Probably for the best considering the current make up of the Court
Immanentize
I’m still curious — where are the girls? My guess is women’s prisons and jails and female juvenile justice detention centers. It would be worth a look… Asking around.
Mnemosyne
@lgerard:
So I was correct in my original hyperbole and Miller thinks that people should lose custody of their kids if they get a speeding ticket.
randy khan
@LAO:
That was some serious shade from the judge. Much nastier than fining him for contempt.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@lgerard:
That’s…so fucking stupid I’ve think I’ve lost over 70 IQ just by reading that.
CliosFanBoy
I want to put “and may God have mercy on your souls” on my syllabi next fall.
Tokyokie
@Nelle:
It’s also a place that a ideological predecessor of Trump supporters, Bloody Bill Anderson. burned to the ground back in the day.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@sherparick: Considering the judge told Kobach, Kobach doesn’t even understand the basics of his alleged expertise it sounds like dad bought Kobach only the best grades. Everything out of Kobach sounds Trump level stupid.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@sherparick:
Sounds like he wasted his potential to me, to be a racist dickhead.
Baud
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Best way to get a good gerrymandering decision is for Dems to be in control of redistricting after 2020.
Yarrow
Polling must be really bad for Republicans.
Edit: Later follow up says it’s someone in the Senate.
LAO
Wait, what?
catclub
@randy khan:
If Kobach is running for governor, he might that scolding from an elite jurist will help him with Kansas voters. He might be right.
efgoldman
@Yarrow:
Sure some will bleat; unless s/he cosigns DiFi’s bill, it’s all bullshit.
Punchy
From what Ive seen from my fellow Kansans, even the mouthbreathers are weary of this shitheel. He aint as automatic as you think.
NotMax
@Nelle
The people of Jericho seemed generally decent folk.
Bur then, it was fiction.
;)
Yarrow
@efgoldman: Speculation it could be Cruz, which is why he’s got his own bill now.
Kay
The smarter Republicans must be terrified. They should be. You’ve all read where state childrens agencies have dropped the ball and children have fallen thru the cracks.
Well, Donald Trump and his collection of low quality incompetents now have custody of 2000 children over several states. How do you think that’s gonna go? Racist nutjob Stephen Miller is responsible for the care and well being of 2000 brown children. Trump took then from their parents and gave them to his mean-spirited, nasty and completely unqualified employees. I wouldn’t give a dog to any of them.
catclub
@LAO: basically true. Canadians love to not declare everything they bought when they return to Canada from the US.
How much it matters, probably close to zero. How much it hurts US producers? A negative amount. the loser is Canada Revenue, the winner is the company in the US that sells more shoes.
Amir Khalid
On a purely frivolous note, I see that Mr Kobach’s first name is not short for Kristopher, but comes from that of a weapon native to the Malay world, although over here, we spell and pronounce it “keris”. Readers of Dune may also remember a dagger Frank Herbert called the “crysknife”, which also takes name from this weapon.
lgerard
@Mnemosyne:
If you are speeding to get to church you are eligible for a special “mulligan” per religious liberty advocates evidently
Immanentize
This is the wildest June Teenth I’ve experienced since I have been alive. Slavery — In or Out? Trump talks about separate but equal (air force and Space Force)…
MattF
@Immanentize: So, Trump is now involving himself in inter-service rivalries? HAHAHAHA.
efgoldman
@Immanentize:
If Space Farce gets even a ten dollar appropriation, I’ll buy you a half dozen Krispy Kremes.
“Make it so” only works on Star Trek
Immanentize
@Kay: The 2000 number is just one month’s worth of children. The zero tolerance policy at the border has been going on for more than one month. When Trump says, “It’s only 2000” (like he did today) you know it is many many more than 2000.
What is the death toll in Puerto Rico again?
LAO
@catclub: Well, I think the answer is pretty clear. We (the US) need to separate Canadians from all of their belongs at the border. Send them back home naked.
Yarrow
@Kay: Wonder how that showdown with the House Ultra Far Right Racist Caucus is going to go.
trollhattan
@Ladyraxterinok:
One of many brilliant cultural tie-ins used on “The Americans” was the Jennings and Beemans watching “The Day After” intercut with Oleg and Tatiana watching it over at the Soviet D.C. Rezidentura. The faces said it all.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
He’s also an asshole guy. Which, if one pronounces it rapidly enough, sounds like assegai.
Hm. I sense a pattern.
:)
LAO
So, this isn’t remotely ominous. Not at all —
trollhattan
@Immanentize:
Never forget that all but one Treason State voted for Trump.
Amir Khalid
@LAO:
Canadians evading import duties payable to their government on American-made shoes bought in America is clearly a grievous wrong against America justifying punitive tariffs on Canada. Or something.
Yarrow
@LAO: Why would anyone willingly come to the United States of America at this point? Fleeing oppression, I understand. Maybe you have to come for work. But by choice? No way. Too risky. If you aren’t strip searched or thrown in a cage by ICE, or at the very least have all your tech items taken and downloaded, then you risk getting shot just going about your daily life. I would not choose to come here.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Baud:
I agree. How do you plan to beat the fascist-in-chief? I need to feel insidery
burnspbesq
@PaulWartenberg:
If you don’t think that six additional hours of CLE is a meaningful punishment, I have to assume that you’ve never sat through six hours of CLE.
JPL
@LAO: What?
LAO
It’s 1:02 pm in the east — not too early to drink, right?
Trump, as expected, is doubling down:
Kay
@Immanentize:
No judicial oversight, no local police investigations- just a federal agency in far-away DC and a bunch of 12 dollar an hour contract employees.
They better hurry up. Donald Trump and every single Republican in Congress are the parents of those children until they’re returned to their parents. Kelly and Sessions and Miller placed those children on Donald Trump’s doorstep and he’;s too stupid to realize it.
cain
@Spanky:
Sucks to be them, millenials and gen zs don’t give a shit about cars. So the “Free Market” is saying “no cars”. So they need get with the times.
rikyrah
Where Are The Girls?
And, the babies ??
Those muthaphuckas think that they are slick ?
https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1009098522803757056
LAO
@burnspbesq: I wish the judge order him to do live classes.
catclub
@Amir Khalid: Ha! I beat you to it.@catclub:
efgoldman
@Immanentize:
Doesn’t matter. They were mostly brown, speak another language, and live(d) on an island in the middle of the ocean.
Now, if he thought he could build and bankrupt a casino there…..
Maybe you ought to come to the dark side and organize his workers
ETA: Probably better meant for Steve, but the thought stands
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Speaking of Canada –
But her emails!!!
@Brachiator:
The Kochs have a crap load of money dependent on people continuing to drive vehicles fueled with gasoline on roads made from asphalt. That’s the main reason for this opposition.
The BS about high taxes, “old technology”, “freedom”, and failure to service marginalized communities is just window dressing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
the Beast had been talking on my muted TeeVee for a very long time now. According the chyrons he’s digging in like a coke-fueled grave-digger
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I wish the chyron literally said that.
efgoldman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I have Lawnorder reruns on all day as background noise. My blood pressure is high enough, thank you
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Immanentize:
Wouldn’t the “Space Force” (stupid name btw) be a violation of the Outer Space Treaty? I know Trump doesn’t know or care, but I’m curious. I’m pretty sure it is.
ruemara
@Immanentize: I predict the death toll in PR will top 8.5k & the lost children will be around 5k. I wonder what the death toll is in USVI.
sukabi
@Immanentize: Nielson says 10,000 – 12,000 kids
When she says 10,000 were sent alone …pretty sure she’s lying. They’ve already says that when border patrol takes the kids from their parents they classify the kids as unaccompanied.
rikyrah
@Immanentize:
Keep on asking..
WHERE.ARE.THE.GIRLS?
WHERE.ARE.THE.BABIES?
JPL
@LAO: If he hasn’t called them animals that are infesting our country, I call it a good day.
If he does, I’m opening a Guinness.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@cain: I’m a (late) millennial and I sort of like cars although I’m no gearhead. Always enjoyed racing games.
But this is among many reasons why NASCAR is dying. However, IndyCar is doing fairly well or so I’ve heard. Probably helps that they have a greater appeal outside one regional area and doesn’t have morons that constantly tinker with the rules.
Yarrow
@Kay:
Trump will never ever take responsibility for these kids. He’ll blame everyone else and turn his back on them.
JPL
@rikyrah: Reporters are getting the run around from HHS. I’m concerned..
efgoldman
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Dropped in a total irrelevancy
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
I should have been clear I meant for your 2020 campaign of course
Nelle
@rikyrah: He won’t taint himself with party politics. He did this in the senate race a few years back and then, the Democrat pulled out and threw support to this guy as an independent, in hopes of knocking Pat Roberts out of the Senate. That didn’t work, but I’ve always viewed that election with intense suspicion – it gave Kansas more Brownback, Kobach, and Roberts, in contradiction to the polls. But then, when I voiced the suspicion I was told I was a conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile, a statistician at Wichita State (Beth Clark) found all sorts of statistical anomalies. She tried to get the voting results released but Kobach denied her access.
NotMax
OT.
But her emails!!!
@SRW1:
Part of their spin is that things like rail and buses are “old”, “dirty” technology as opposed to the new, clean driverless cars that will soon be entering the market. Their schtick is specially constructed mislead/inflame single issues voters who might not dig further into the issue.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Tell that truth, Kay.
LAO
@JPL: I’ve pulled out the Jameson’s and am enjoying a lovely whiskey with my lunch. Cheers.
Fair Economist
@LAO:
Also, remember it is always about projection with Republicans. We already knew this chaotic mess was covering up human trafficking. Now we know Trump is in on it somehow.
rikyrah
@LAO:
how do you smuggle something that you BOUGHT?
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
I know a geezer ten yrs older than me, who drives a fairly new Corvette, who hates gov Brown because the Gov wants to spend money on more trains. Because his gas tax was raised. I asked him if fewer cars on the road might be nice. He ignored me for a month, wouldn’t talk to me. No concept of cause and effect. He was a high school principal.
Baud
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
My slogan “Baud! Hates Trump” says it all.
@NotMax:
Time to apply some civil forfeiture laws.
Yarrow
@Fair Economist: We already knew that. The Trump Models story hasn’t really got mainstream media attention yet. It will and it will be horrible.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@efgoldman:
Not irrelevant, as I like cars in an abstract way, but not enough to learn about they work mechanically on a deep level, like many millenials.
Mandalay
@Kay:
Based on the evidence presented, that was literally true:
Yep, they have nothing.
LAO
This deserves a new thread:
This is really the worst. We really are the worst.
ETA: Our government steals children. Steals children.
Spanky
@LAO: I hope you’re kidding.
There are MUCH better Irish whiskeys than Jameson’s.
ruemara
@Nelle: It’s time that people stopped thinking that being Independent and “eschewing party politics & identification” is a bullshit use of ego to ratfuck elections. Seriously, how long can people opposed to republicans keep being ignorant of why they keep losing to republicans. The solution is to stay in the race and point out that the IND who is in the race is is there to split the vote & keep the GOP in power.
sukabi
@rikyrah: it’s my guess that Drumpf doesn’t like to pay duties on things he buys abroad, so he detags and wrinkles / scuffs them and doesn’t declare them. Ie, in his mind ‘smuggles’….yes, he’s an idiot.
Fair Economist
@LAO:
FTFY. “We” on this blog are intensely opposed, as is the majority of Americans.
rikyrah
A lot of you have asked where the girls and younger children are held. The former Walmart detention facility houses boys 10-17. Girls and younger children are held at separate facilities. Unfortunately, some are as far away as Miami and New York. #wherearethegirls
— Rep. Mark Pocan (@repmarkpocan) June 18, 2018
Mnemosyne
@Kay:
I saw a really heartbreaking story on Facebook from an ER doctor. She has seen at least 4 foster kids brought in who are from Central America. The foster parents are doing their best, but the kids are REALLY traumatized. Like, one foster mother said she can’t bathe the toddler because the child refuses to let go of her at all, even for a moment, without screaming.
These well-meaning foster parents are being forced to try and clean up Trump’s mess without traumatizing the kids any further — and these are the good ones who are experienced with taking care of foster kids. What’s happening to the kids who are getting handed off to people who are not used to dealing with traumatized kids?
Yarrow
@LAO: So awful. My heart can’t absorb it. Crimes against humanity.
rikyrah
And? So?
Confirmed — Trump Jr. withdrew from a George P. Bush fundraiser because of the family’s criticism of his father. He cautioned George P. that he wouldn’t publicly support him if it continued — the tweet from Jeb about the separation of families was the last straw, I’m told.
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) June 19, 2018
rikyrah
Dems haven’t carried more than 52% of white working class women since 1992, so clearly the solution is to spend more time figuring out how to woo them as opposed to focusing on ensuring that reliable Dems—BLACK PEOPLE—can actually exercise their right to vote.
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— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) June 19, 2018
bemused
@rikyrah:
The only news item that made me laugh today! Teacher wacked his hands with a ruler.
Nelle
@Tokyokie: Yep, I know the great-granddaughter of one of the men murdered that day when they tried to murder every man and boy in town. 164 were mu;murdered in a few hours.
Yarrow
@rikyrah: And this is why I said to call your governors. Maybe people in New York state think they don’t border Mexico so detention facilities aren’t in their state. They’re EVERYWHERE. Call your Governor’s office, your state reps’ offices and ask them. Call your Mayor. Ask everyone if these kids are in your state.
schrodingers_cat
@Yarrow: What about those who came decades ago and made their lives here, where should we go?
rikyrah
Trump Says Children Are Lying
Calouste
@rikyrah:
The girls are in Bergen-Nielsen.
The babies are in Sessionswald.
The boys are in Trumpwitz.
JPL
@LAO: One woman was deported over a month, and has yet to be reunited with her child.
rikyrah
@rikyrah:
Video
https://youtu.be/Id_IY1rkdkE
Aleta
@Aleta: Also the driver and clerks are on a tight time schedule, so the driver is unlikely to tangle with the CPB. He’s normally the only one out there; he’s in charge of the line to get on the bus; and he’s frantically loading all the bags while putting on tags and responsible to his bosses for the departure time. Inside at the desk is a sole clerk working w a balky computer and a line of passengers, under time pressure.
It’s an ideal situation as far as the CPB is concerned. I imagine if they cared about who is on the bus they could get warrants and, after the bus leaves look at clerk’s records. Since people in line are handing over IDs to the clerk. (Whether IDs are scanned or not, I don’t know, but I presume they are keeping records for HS and police since that’s supposed to be the point of asking for an ID.)
But this is about intimidation (the sterile word is “deterrence”) and making immigrants afraid to ride the bus. To be honest, I think this overall chill is also part of a web of efforts they will intensify to discourage protestors using public transport to get to a different city.
Anyone who feels like it, please complain to the companies on their twitter or phones; or mention that some people will avoid them if it continues.
(There’s another effect of this but I’ll put it in another comment.)
LAO
@Spanky: I like it. I have fairly shitty tastes. My preference is gin but I don’t keep that in the office because gin makes me crazy.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
All we need is Mississippi to join in and all of Kansas will be forced to kill themselves from the shame of it.
schrodingers_cat
@Aleta: I have taken the Concord Trailways bus from Boston to Bangor innumerable times. I preferred that to driving to Boston. Never did I see any INS or CBP personnel. This is all T. He is making United States into a police state. Make America Russia.
TenguPhule
@LeeM:
Six hours seems about two magnitudes of understatement for Kobach to learn them.
GregB
@LAO:
We are in crimes against humanity territory now.
Ring all fucking alarms.
TenguPhule
@Brachiator:
It worked for the ancient Egyptians. //
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Baud:
You’ve got my vote
schrodingers_cat
@GregB: I am kinda of surprised it took us this long to get there. Kelly has been fantasizing about this for more than a year now.
TenguPhule
@LAO:
Sex slaves or dead. There is no way the predators did not seize on this perfect opportunity to feed.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
Trump set so many fires that they were literally getting in the way of each other.
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: This is received wisdom on anti-immigrant blogs and the right wing swamp of hate. T is a creature of that swamp an embodiment of it.
Kay
@LAO:
Orphaned by Donald Trump, specifically. This was an executive decision. He hires low quality people so he gets garbage advice.
Bush was a governor and Obama was a state legislator so they had some understanding of the state role in child custody.
Trump was a sleazy NYC real estate developer.
TenguPhule
@efgoldman:
Does it count if he ignores Congress and steals the money budgeted for something else?
I’ll take mine plain frosted, thanks.
The Lodger
@Amir Khalid: I think in Scotland, the judge just says, “Yeir deid, mon.”
otmar
@Nelle: heh! I’ve been to Lawrence ~25 years ago.
Spanky
@LAO:
How would we tell?
Yarrow
@schrodingers_cat: Since you’ve chosen to become an American citizen and are now one, it seems like you want to stay. My observations were for people who are not in this country and have a choice of coming here or not. I know people who will not come here because they perceive it as dangerous, both for gun violence and how they fear they’ll be treated by our immigration officials.
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
They’re not there. Those facilities don’t have that kind of room to spare, not in the numbers being reported now.
Nobody knows where they are or refuses to admit it if they do know.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@GregB:
Kids are reported as going hungry, only being fed “apples and water”. These are human beings, not animals. This is literally dehumanizing
LAO
@Spanky: too true.
TenguPhule
@rikyrah:
Trump is literally refusing to follow the law on accepting refugees. And he is not being burned in effigy by the MSM for this.
Canada, invade us now. We can’t be saved otherwise.
delk
MEH. Kobach will get a breakfast and lunch and probably won’t even have to pay the registration fee. I used to put together CLE for ERISA and Tax attorneys.
Jay
@catclub:
Nope, most Canadians declare everything coming back, as since Chimpy McStagger, every year we are happier and happier to see the smiling faces of Canada Customs, knowing we are almost home.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
Didn’t you theorize human trafficking in some thread? I fear you may be somewhat right on that
Manxome Bromide
@trollhattan: It’s worth remembering that Kansas both was free and stayed loyal, and that they bought that status in blood on the way to statehood.
rikyrah
@Nelle:
I’m sitting there with you.
I have said for awhile, that those elections in Kansas were the test run for 2016.
I stand by that.
So, yeah, I’m saying they phucked with the actual machines in 2016 in those key states.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think they’re may be something happening here..
one poll, long way to go, complacency is the enemy, et cetera, et cetera….
Oklahomo
As a former Kansan, I used to think, “Well, at least it wasn’t Oklahoma.” Now it’s like both states are in a race to destroy themselves.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Yes.
The fragments of information we’ve gotten so far have indicated at least some of the girls were flown from Arizona to Florida. And that girls from one mixed camp have suddenly disappeared, according to a priest who had contact with the children. And we know that the people in charge of this shit are not keeping track of names, parents or any other form of identification for the children that would enable them to be tracked.
Mnemosyne
@TenguPhule:
As I understand it, CLE is kind of like getting sentenced to community service — it takes WAY longer to complete than the number of hours would lead you to think.
TenguPhule
@Teddys Person:
Yes.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
I still maintain that its too short.
trollhattan
@LAO:
You say that like it’s a bad thing. :-P
Sebastian
@rikyrah:
New York? And how does the NYAG not roll in with a NYPD SWAT team and arrest these shifucks for x counts of kidnapping and let them rot in Rikers gen pop?
trollhattan
@Manxome Bromide:
You’d think that would resonate today, wouldn’t you? I’m still trying to figure out when Iowa went feral and have no hope of understanding Kansas.
Mnemosyne
@JPL:
This is part of the plan. They steal people’s children and then deport them back to their home countries so they will tell everyone there not to try and get help from the US because the US government will steal their children.
IT’S. THEIR. ACTUAL. PLAN.
ruemara
I just got into an argument with a leftier than thou person who is positing that we are “creating criminals” with Trump’s separation policy. I said we’re not creating criminals, we’re abusing & traumatising children, it’s a mistake to repeat the narrative that a traumatising event creates criminals and actually echoes Trump’s statements of nascent criminality. These arguments are very similar to what black people have heard about themselves to justify over-policing. There are many people who’ve suffered from abuse & trauma, but they didn’t all turn into criminals. We should be careful about using arguments similar to rightwing anti-immigrants.
She then asked if that made it ok to abuse people because criminality is dependent on the person, not the abuse.
I cannot with these meme-sharing, Truth-Out worshiping, low info left people.
JPL
@LAO: Trump is great at projecting, so one has to wonder how many pairs of scuffed shoes from Europe did Ivanka and Melania bring in.
guachi
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Cook has this race as Likely Republican. At this point, it basically means a race to watch for potential movement. It’s been there for months but there hasn’t been any polling of any kind other than this that I’m aware of.
Montana, despite Republicans moving much farther right, still has relatively tight open races (though this isn’t one, it’s about as close as you’ll find).
JPL
@Mnemosyne: Not to worry they will be reunited at sixteen, if that child receives a speeding ticket.
NotMax
@rikyrah
Have mentioned it before, but it is George P. G. Bush. Shortly before he announced for Texas Land Commissioner all mention of his second (Hispanic) middle name (Garnica, his mother’s maiden name) suddenly vanished and was scrubbed form many places on the ‘net. That doesn’t change what his name is, though. Adopting their labeling is to be avoided.
Hoodie
@Mnemosyne: well, their immigration policy is coming from the heart – of darkness. Maybe they can move on to severed heads on stakes if this isn’t sufficiently deterrent.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
I’m boiling with so much rage over this and other things. I still believe it got this bad this fast.
TenguPhule
@JPL:
You assume the children will still be alive by then.
The logistics at the camps are fucked. They aren’t keeping track of them as people, they’re treating them like LIVESTOCK.
Mnemosyne
@TenguPhule:
It’s not just sex slavery, either. Fundie Christianists are fond of “adopting” kids from developing countries and basically turning them into domestic slaves.
These kids are tailor-made for that because they have no papers and are not citizens, so their only option will be to stay with their “new family” or be deported back to a country they haven’t seen since they were toddlers with no way to track down any relatives.
Basically, they’re creating a bunch more DACA kids on purpose so they can be exploited for their labor by fundies.
The Ancient Randonneur
Let me interject a tiny ray of sunshine in this thread. RAICES Texas, a legal aid organization that provides assistance to poor migrants and refugees, started a fundraiser on Saturday with a goal of $1500 to help families reunite. As of late last night they’ve received $1.65 million in donations.
It doesn’t change anything today but those working to assist the families being torn apart by the government are beginning to get the financial support required to fight these monsters
rikyrah
Wait…nobody told me that the Judge who clapped back against Kobach was a Sista!
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH
Elizabelle
@rikyrah: I think so too. I wish someone was investigating that with the relentlessness of Mueller. Maybe they are, by now.
Ella in New Mexico
Yes, Stevie. By all means. Please go ahead and launch this highly successful so-far double down of a campaign strategy this fall
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
The Shining City on the Hill has become the Silent House.
Elizabelle
I pied someone. For the very first time.
The program is hilarious. Thank you, Mr. Cleek.
joel hanes
I’m still trying to figure out when Iowa went feral
Two answers :
– the boil-a-frog effect: it’s been gradual. Iowa Republicans have slid right just a little more quickly than the national party. This has been fueled by fifty years of brain and youth drain, as most of the state’s most promising youth went to college and promptly decamped to somewhere else, leaving behind economic and cultural stagnation, and a population that grows steadily older and more provincial.
– abortion. Iowa Right-To-Life was the biggest political force in the state just a few years ago, and the stolen Supreme Court seat gave those folks their best chance ever to overturn Roe; they may even succeed. The 2016 election in Iowa turned 10% on that single circumstance.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
I’m afraid the sex trade offers them better payments. That’s why there’s mainly boys left locked up for display.
The Fundies want full use slaves.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Elizabelle:
Who was it?
Mandalay
Florida Senator Bill Nelson tried to gain access to a “facility” holding 1,000 migrant children in Homestead, FL this morning, but when he turned up:
Elizabelle
@Nelle: If you know any group or individual that is doing postcards to Kansas voters, maybe on the subject of independents serving as ratfuckers (of course, the post card will be way more genteel), please, please let us know.
I’d be delighted to write and illustrate some postcards. I think they might be more effective than phonebanking (cuz screening calls, especially from out of state or unknown callers).
Found all your comments today interesting. (You are not the pied person!)
RobNYNY
@ Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) :
Not just a lawyer. The Attorney General.
Elizabelle
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: Not saying, but since able to answer, it’s not you!
And I will lift the pie ban a bit later. Just curious if it would take the edge off lurking at BJuice.
Yarrow
@Mandalay: Sure seems like a good time for a judge to issue a search warrant.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
I hope it wasn’t me.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
*Can’t*
Mandalay
@RobNYNY: Kobach is not the AG, he’s Secretary of State for Kansas. But either way he’s certainly not much of a lawyer.
TenguPhule
@Kay:
I’m afraid those parents are never going to see most of their children again.
FDRLincoln
I live in Lawrence, and yes, this is a very liberal town.
Kobach is not automatic. A lot of the important GOP players haven’t committed yet or are lining up behind Colyer, the current governor. Colyer is a Brownback ally and very conservative but he’s not a shameless demagogue in the sense that Kobach is. He negotiates in good faith. Kobach does not.
My wife had the mispleasure of meeting Kris Kobach a few months ago at her place of employment. She took great delight in asking him to show his ID even though it was not strictly necessary to complete the transaction.
TenguPhule
@Mandalay:
JFC, what are they hiding? Literal dead bodies?
JPL
Rep. Castro is saying that he doesn’t know where the girls are.
sukabi
State Departments summer tips for traveling with kids doesn’t go as planned…
And on…
No questions were answered.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
always interesting when the Beast shows his flabby ass
so…. the people coming here to escape gang violence and grinding poverty are going to bribe judges, because trump just assumes you bribe people. Also, how many people under fifty are familiar with the term “graft” for corruption?
RobNYNY
@germy:
Harvard College and Yale Law.
JPL
@Mandalay: Wow.. Chris Hayes is having a show about the crisis on the border, and hopefully that will come up.
Aleta
@schrodingers_cat: I’ve taken that bus too, and liked it. (The free tea and newspaper in the morning, fast way to get from to Logan, safer in a snowstorm than driving.)
Agree with you it is Trump. It’s a planned piece of his “hate immigrants” policy. Underneath it’s not about paperwork or checkpoints or legal entry points for asylum. It’s a campaign to support racism, intimidate immigrants and threaten everyone’s rights.
Baud
@Baud: Maybe it was me. :-(
TenguPhule
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
/Reluctantly raises a hand
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Elizabelle:
I’ve found that that temptation to read what the person pied said often defeats the purpose
Amir Khalid
@Mnemosyne:
But won’t kids without documentation have problems enrolling in school and university? Of for that matter, doing anything which requires such documentation?
Kay
@TenguPhule:
I just think it’s appalling that the President who refers to these children as an infestation is supposedly caring for them.
Donald Trump is unfit to care for these children. No one would place brown children with him if they interviewed him. He’s a stone cold racist. He doesn’t see them as people. I wouldn’t put a dog in the care of any of these mean-spirited, nasty assholes and neither would anyone else who had any common sense. They’re unfit.
Nelle
@FDRLincoln: I didn’t know there was another BJ person in Lawrence. We lived here from 88 to 05 and then decamped to New Zealand, for the most part. Thought it was safe to come back in 2015. A grave miscalculation. Let me know if you want to meet up, ever.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I am
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
They all cheered him. We have a bigger problem than Donald Trump. A lot of fancy, powerful people are fucking horrible human beings. They always have been. Trump empowered them to show us what they are, and it ain’t pretty.
scav
@ruemara: For your “creating criminals” lefty, one might also note that she is fixated on the most profoundly selfish element of what is being done to those children: how the damage done to their lives and minds might just maybe potentially impact her life by criminality. The bulk of those children will not manifest their trama that way, but will have twisted emotional relatio relationships and other harm for the entirety of their lives. And your lefty is willing to ignore that as it’s no (immediate) skin off her nose. She should be called on her lack of empathy.
Elizabelle
@Baud: Nevah! Just away for a while.
TenguPhule
@Kay:
Donald Trump doesn’t see anyone else as a real person. That’s what’s so horrible and terrifying. The world begins and ends in his mind with him and only him.
It could take years to try to find who their parents are. These fucking bastards aren’t keeping written records, so simply trying to figure out which country the parents came from is going to be a nightmare. Even the reported logistics for the camps are fucked up. Chips, apples and water are school snacks, not meals required by international law.
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
@rikyrah:
FDRLincoln
@Nelle: I moved here in 1990 to attend graduate school, got married in 1992, and we decided it was a good place to raise kids. Which it is. The rest of the state, not so much. I grew up in Iowa and the Hawkeye State has gone insane too. But I have no desire to move to a coast. I am a progressive in the farmer/labor Midwest tradition, a tradition which is almost dead now except in the scattered college towns.
efgoldman
@TenguPhule:
Neither he nor his satraps are competent enough to move billions around.
TenguPhule
@efgoldman:
So is that a yes?
WaterGirl
@JPL: I haven’t watched Chris Hayes since about 2 weeks after he got his evening show, but…
Chris Hayes must e riled up about this, because everywhere I turn I am seeing a tweet or some quote from him and now a dedicated show. I have never seen him this active and visible.
ruemara
@Amir Khalid: Oh, Amir. That’s the point. You don’t educate the slaves. See also, slave laws.
@WaterGirl: Well, except for his deep & abiding love for Bern.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@TenguPhule:
This.
Try considering every interaction with another human being your day as a transaction like President Spanky does, it’s batshit crazy and creepy.
cs
I’m also in Kansas. Volunteer with my tiny county branch of the Democratic Party. Heading out this evening to a forum of our Democratic gubernatorial candidates. In the miniscule chance that any other person here will be going to Osage City for the event, say hi to me. I’ll be the guy in the Coffey County Democrats t-shirt.
I’m kinda optimistic for a few reasons. Every Democrat I’ve spoken with is incredibly disdainful of Greg Orman, the independent. He’s not attracting much attention from either Democrats or the mainstream press at this point. Have some faint hope he’s a nothingburger at the end.
Also hopeful because our chances in two house districts looks good. The GOP can’t find a good candidate for the 2nd District while the Democrat, Paul Davis, is well-known. This is the district that includes Lawrence and Topeka, so if enthusiasm is up and if Democrats show up to vote en masse, we’ll take the seat. 3rd District with incumbent Republican Yoder, covering the soccer moms of Johnson County, is also looking good for us. Yoder’s been very unresponsive, held few constituent meetings, and is on the wrong side regarding health care and immigration.
And then there’s the general mood of the state. Two years ago in local elections, voters went against Brownback pretty strongly. Moderate Republicans defeated Brownbackian candidates. Democrats gained 15 seats. The onslaught of Koch propaganda mostly didn’t work two years ago. Schools & roads are the two primary concerns of the state. Both have visibly decayed under Brownback & Colyer. Wall-to-wall ads from the Kochs can’t hide the fact that schools are reducing services, or closing down in rural districts. We’re still not out of the woods yet regarding schools. The moderate Repubs have been better than their predecessors, but they still can’t deliver. I don’t know what Colyer’s current approval is, but Brownback and his tax cuts poll lower than syphillis. That’s a huge uphill battle for even Americans For Prosperity, or any of the other noise generators.
Aleta
Posted this last night too:
From retweets by McEwan, here’s a link to a statement by an
“ER doc who has seen children taken away from their parents and placed in foster care by ICE,” posted by Jennifer Gunter @DrJenGunter.
and McKewan’s retweet of Senator Bill Nelson
Short videos from Sen Nelson in FL here.
FDRLincoln
@cs: I agree that Davis has a good shot at the 2nd district seat. Lawrence is blue, Topeka is purple, and from what I’ve read Davis is actually spending time in the red rural areas to bolster support. His funding looks good, the state party is lined up behind him, and he’s quietly got some moderate Republican support. Since the conservative Republicans can’t find a candidate yet, Davis has a good shot.
I also agree that Yoder is in trouble. Clinton did well in that district and Yoder has been a mediocre congressman who is to the right of the district on many issues. He’s not exactly Mr. Charisma and his polling must be telling him he’s in trouble because he came out against the Trump Admin policies on immigration families yesterday.
rikyrah
@NotMax:
Yep. I remember reading that, and was like…
Uh huh
Uh huh
rikyrah
@Mandalay:
DA PHUQ?
rikyrah
@WaterGirl:
I was watching when he did his first segment on this. The look of horror on his face – he couldn’t hide it. And, his rage on this topic is pretty evident.
sukabi
@Amir Khalid: you miss the point. How many slaves go to college, get medical treatment, vote, drive ect?
They are making an entire group of people invisible and disposable
tybee
@Spanky: i’m always interested in learning. what are a few irish beverages that are better than jamisons? tullamore dew?
Jay
@scav: @ruemara:
And, statistically speaking, your Leftier Than Thou “friend” is 96% more likely to be assaulted, murdered or raped by a male friend or relative than by an immigrant or refugee,
and 99.9% more likely to be robbed by her own Bank or Wall Street.
A lot of lefty bloggers in Canada are now talking about permently separating, politically and economically from the US, that Trump is not an abberation, he’s a continuation,……
I’ve been pushing back hard because Juicer’s give me hope.
Spanky
@tybee: Right now I have Redbreast (12 yr?) in the cabinet, as well as Knappogue Castle 14 yr and a Glendalough, although I couldn’t tell you which one off the top of my head.
cain
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Probably more to do with the fact that hte lot of you have huge debts and car is a luxury. Maybe something for Kochs to think about. Whatever the case is, the market is that cars suck and that Uber and Lyft is what people want more or less. They want high density housing and like living in the city.
Aleta
Melissa McEwan @Shakestweetz is posting a lot of good information and links.
(Quotes are from Guardian article, linked at McKewan’s twitter feed.)
From Melissa McEwan @Shakestweetz. Quotes are from Guardian: “Parents tell a Texas court their reasons for coming to the US as families are divided at the US border.”
Ruckus
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Nascar has very tight rules to keep the cars together, which they think is racing. They think this because they get crashes which the fans like. Also they put a lot of cars on the track for the same reason. Indy and F1 want to see one driver kicking everyone’s ass..
WaywardDavid
@But her emails!!!: There’s also a suggestion that light rail, especially, makes it easier for ‘those people’ to get from their poor (brown) neighborhoods to wealthier (white) areas where they would of course steal from and assault their betters.
Aleta
Quotes are from a Guardian article Families divided at the border: ‘The most horrific immigration policy I’ve ever seen.’ It’s linked at Melissa McKewan’s twitter feed.
Ruckus
@Elizabelle:
I lost the pie filter for a while and it gave me a big sad.
But now that it’s a part of the blog and not an add on its even better. Still doesn’t retain the info on my phone though.
Mnemosyne
@tybee:
Whisky fans I know say that Tullamore Dew is good and reasonably priced, FWIW.
TriassicSands
Let’s be honest. Ordering him to take 6 hours of CLE is insulting, but the judge really should have ordered him to start over in law school. CLE is fine, but his real problem is stupidity and zealotry. CLE won’t fix Kobach. It’s too bad that being a complete idiot is not an adequate reason to disbar a lawyer. If it were, Kobach would be gone.
Elizabelle
@Ruckus: It’s a great filter. I always assumed it said “Chocolate Silk” or “Lemon Meringue”, but it’s even more fun than that.
john fremont
@TenguPhule: If DynCorp somehow is involved with this, yes. I remember DynCorp employees running prostitution rings in the former Yugoslavia 25 years ago.
Uncle Cosmo
@Mnemosyne: TD is good sipping whisky but it’s blended, so not for the purist. I have a bottle of a peated Irish called Connemara that I’ve never sampled (not a big drinker) – brought 5 bottles (all I could carry) back from Eire some years ago when it wasn’t being imported, at the behest of the owner of my favorite Irish bar whose patrons had been nagging him for it. (“What do I owe you?” he said. I replied, “You’re paying for 5, you’re getting 4.” A fair price considering his markup – & of course the fifth was mine.)
NuetronFlux
@Nelle: I live in Emporia. I could go for that.