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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Hail to the Hairpiece / Thursday Evening Open Thread: 14 Words

Thursday Evening Open Thread: 14 Words

by Anne Laurie|  June 28, 20186:21 pm| 109 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Immigration, Open Threads, Post-racial America, Republican Venality, Are these Nazis Walter?, Assholes

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It’s not a dog whistle, it’s a racist bullhorn.

?? pic.twitter.com/GxzjUBoOqj

— Cav, My Name is a Warsong (@CombatCavScout) June 28, 2018

https://t.co/jVP8bECcXV

— Cav, My Name is a Warsong (@CombatCavScout) June 28, 2018


 
And the first spokesdrone who claims the headline was totally a coincidence should be fired into the sun for being either a liar or a moron, or both.

periodic reminder that the '14 words' were coined by Neo-Nazi terrorist and convicted murderer who died locked up in the same Colorado prison complex where we keep Al Qaeda leaders.

— zeddy (@Zeddary) June 28, 2018

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109Comments

  1. 1.

    lamh36

    June 28, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    “Ditch the list” is kinda lame.

    I think Booker has the right angle and it’s one we talked about in the BJ threads last night.

    @keithboykin
    Following Following @keithboykin
    More
    Senator Cory Booker: “The president of the United States is a subject of an ongoing criminal investigation…that could end up before the Supreme Court,” so any Trump SCOTUS nomination should be “delayed until the Mueller investigation is concluded.”

    https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1012421275929796608

  2. 2.

    B.B.A.

    June 28, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    We must secure the destruction of their people and a future for nonwhite children.

  3. 3.

    satby

    June 28, 2018 at 6:31 pm

    As pasty white as I am, demographic winter for white people can’t come soon enough. Because until we’re outnumbered it seems we won’t have nice things.

  4. 4.

    germy

    June 28, 2018 at 6:33 pm

    “We’re going to use every tool available and we will possibly be creative about some new ones to block a Supreme Court Justice appointment before the midterm elections.”
    – @SenBlumenthal

  5. 5.

    Dorothy Winsor

    June 28, 2018 at 6:33 pm

    @satby: I second this and add that, old lady that I am, I want old people to get out of the way.

  6. 6.

    debbie

    June 28, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    This was pretty much word for word included in Trump’s many campaign speeches!

  7. 7.

    Yarrow

    June 28, 2018 at 6:39 pm

    @lamh36: That is a really dumb slogan, “Ditch the List.” What list? Who should ditch it? What does even mean. Gah! So frustrating. They can do a lot better than that.

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 6:40 pm

    @Dorothy Winsor: We always do, just not soon enough.

  9. 9.

    NotMax

    June 28, 2018 at 6:42 pm

    I’ve got 14 words for them, none fit for even quasi-polite company.

  10. 10.

    kindness

    June 28, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    They aren’t even worried enough to try to hide it any more.

    Soon it won’t be just immigrants who are the enemies. Soon it will be us too. Just like they did it in Germany years ago.

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 6:47 pm

    @NotMax: We are neither quasi nor polite.

  12. 12.

    MomSense

    June 28, 2018 at 6:49 pm

    @Dorothy Winsor:

    I don’t. Older people are not any more racist than younger people. The percentage stays pretty constant generation to generation.

  13. 13.

    GxB

    June 28, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    While I don’t want to minimize the dog fog-horning, I can’t help but feel this is in large part an elaborate troll. I see it as kind of a bizzaro world version of The Onion’s “Abortion Megacomplex” article. Either way it’s well serving its purpose. Chaos and mayhem rule the day. Vlad is laughing his ass off, and Bin Laden would be dishing out high-fives if he could. Until we have a clearly greater threat to our very existence that we can all agree on (good luck making it climate change or the fact a couple hundred people make all the rules and own more than half the world), the US is going to continue to unravel.

    Eta: Good to see a few Dems exhibiting some spine. It is time for us to stop following the rules of decorum, the other side hasn’t done it for years now.

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    June 28, 2018 at 6:51 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Much prefer giving a reader’s imagination free rein.

  15. 15.

    Yarrow

    June 28, 2018 at 6:52 pm

    It’s clear that this is the white supremacist administration and that the Republican party, which is now the party of Trump, is a white supremacist party. There is nothing else to discuss or explain here. That’s what they are.

  16. 16.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 6:54 pm

    @MomSense: Old people, who let’s face it won’t be alive all that much longer, tend to prioritize their short term needs/desires over those of the generations who will have to live with the consequences. Not all old folks of course, but trump is a significant number of them reaching for a past they only think they remember.

  17. 17.

    lamh36

    June 28, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    @CBSNews
    Follow Follow @CBSNews
    More
    In San Francisco, a six-digit salary can mean you qualify as a low-income resident https://cbsn.ws/2MtM7Hd

    Weren’t we talking about real estate and cost of living yesterday….WOW

  18. 18.

    different-church-lady

    June 28, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    @germy: You can be pretty creative with wet noodles, I bet.

  19. 19.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    @NotMax: I have often employed the same stratagem, I just never blamed it on the delicate sensibilities of a bunch of jackals.

  20. 20.

    lamh36

    June 28, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    @ericgarland
    Follow Follow @ericgarland
    More Eric Garland Retweeted Steve Silberman
    SCOTUS Justice Kennedy’s son was TRUMP’S BANKER AT DEUTSCHE BANK ?
    https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/1012467727762673665

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    June 28, 2018 at 7:01 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Firmly resolved to never become one of those elderly folk whose conversation consists primarily of who died, who is in the hospital (and for what), who is out of the hospital (and for what). We each and every one of us know or have known at least one such person.

    a past they only think they remember

    Or have created in entirety from whole cloth.

  22. 22.

    M4

    June 28, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    The way they shoehorned in ‘88’ is extremely egregious but I feel like this is just low-level assholes slipping stuff by management. Which is why nobody noticed this for months.

  23. 23.

    lamh36

    June 28, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    @MikeDelMoro
    1m1 minute ago
    More
    NBC News: Capital Gazette suspect has been identified via facial recognition software, authorities executing a search warrant at his home

  24. 24.

    Yarrow

    June 28, 2018 at 7:06 pm

    @lamh36: Of course he was.

  25. 25.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:07 pm

    @GxB:

    Until we have a clearly greater threat to our very existence that we can all agree on (good luck making it climate change or the fact a couple hundred people make all the rules and own more than half the world), the US is going to continue to unravel.

    I nominate the Republican party for that role. We can agree that they all must be uprooted and destroyed, to the last branch.

  26. 26.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    @lamh36: This live action remake of the Manchurian Candidate is unwatchable.

  27. 27.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    @Yarrow:

    It’s clear that this is the white supremacist administration and that the Republican party, which is now the party of Trump, is a white supremacist party. There is nothing else to discuss or explain here. That’s what they are.

    All Democratic negotiations with Republicans should now start off with “Fuck you. On your knees, fucker.”

  28. 28.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    @different-church-lady: A Senator was once beaten unconscious by a cane by a fellow member of Congress. Granted, the roles were reversed, but the precedent stands.

  29. 29.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    June 28, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    @lamh36:

    For12 years!

  30. 30.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 7:12 pm

    @NotMax: These days when I meet young cavers I always ask them what they’ve been doing, got any hot leads, big going caves, new maps I’d find interesting? Inevitably somewell meaning soul brings up something I did, somewhere along the years, ballsy, funny, or just plain stupid and I can’t wait to change the subject. I’m old, those years are gone now, I have done nothing lately and soon I will be forgotten.

    Now when I get together with other old cavers or carpenters, our collective aches and pains are all we want to talk about. Can’t bitch to the young about it.

  31. 31.

    chris

    June 28, 2018 at 7:12 pm

    @Yarrow: This is the list. Maybe some of the lawyers have an opinion or two.

  32. 32.

    gbbalto

    June 28, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    Cav is good people, I’ve read his tweets for a while. He is not on board of this shit.

  33. 33.

    germy

    June 28, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    The American people shld have a voice. A confirmation vote shld take place after a new Congress is seated. My Republican colleagues shld follow their own precedent.
    — Richard Blumenthal (@SenBlumenthal) June 27, 2018

  34. 34.

    NeenerNeener

    June 28, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    @satby: Random thoughts….

    My one-issue-voter SIL will never bother to vote again if they manage to overturn Roe and if they also outlaw birth control, we white people may become a minority even sooner.

    You can’t spell Evangelical without E-v-i-l

  35. 35.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    “First they do it for you. Then they do it to you.”

    The BJ meme generator is wise and all knowing.

  36. 36.

    Gravenstone

    June 28, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    @lamh36: So, money laundering was on the Kennedy family menu? Fascinating …

  37. 37.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    My one-issue-voter SIL will never bother to vote again if they manage to overturn Roe and if they also outlaw birth control, we white people may become a minority even sooner.

    Tell her she won’t be allowed to vote again. Her destined future role will be that of the brood mother, pumping babies out till she either can’t or dies.

  38. 38.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 28, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    Does beating the shit out of somebody ever change their minds?

  39. 39.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    @Gravenstone: Would explain Bush vs. Gore.

  40. 40.

    Roger Moore

    June 28, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    @lamh36:

    Weren’t we talking about real estate and cost of living yesterday…

    Californians are always talking about real estate and cost of living.

  41. 41.

    NotMax

    June 28, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    @NeenerNeener

    You can’t spell Evangelical without E-v-i-l

    Also too without n-a-g.

    ;)

  42. 42.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:19 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    Does beating the shit out of somebody ever change their minds?

    If it doesn’t that simply means there were insufficient beatings. //

  43. 43.

    Gravenstone

    June 28, 2018 at 7:19 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Can’t bitch to the young about it.

    Sure you can. Tell them that if they’re careful enough, those aches and pains will be their future. And they’ll be damned grateful for them.

  44. 44.

    SFAW

    June 28, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Can’t bitch to the young about it.

    I was gonna suggest you find someone older, to bitch to.

    But then I remembered Methuselah ain’t around anymore. So, I got nothing.

  45. 45.

    lamh36

    June 28, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    Fuq Chump and Melanoma…just surprised Ivanka hasnt’ made a trek yet

    Melania Trump shows up at migrant detention center again — but says it’s to support law enforcement
    https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1012397605438066688

  46. 46.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    David Mack
    ✔
    @davidmackau
    Fox News says they “checked in on the ideological bent” of the Capital Gazette but decided it was “very local” with no “major ideological bent” — then acknowledges they don’t yet know if this is at all relevant to the motive.

    10:47 AM – Jun 28, 2018

    FOX News needs to burn.

  47. 47.

    lamh36

    June 28, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    I agree with this analysis…a disgruntled worker or persona vendetta perp would want you to know who did what they did to you in reaction to what you did to them

    @kurteichenwald
    6m6 minutes ago
    More
    That the shooter in Annapolis cannot be identified, and intentionally damaged his fingerprints, is rapidly decreasing the chance that this is a disgruntled former employee or other person connected to the newspaper directly or indirectly.

  48. 48.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    And to cap off an already shitty day in the week, Maxine Waters now reporting death threats, cancels speaking engagements.

  49. 49.

    JPL

    June 28, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    @TenguPhule: Soft target owned by the same company that owns the Sun.

  50. 50.

    SFAW

    June 28, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Would explain Bush vs. Gore.

    Actually, that was Fat Nino’s conflict of interest (something about his son, I don’t recall exactly what). Combined with Sandra Day O’Connor doing her best “moderate Republican except when someone is mean to me” schtick. She could have stopped it, and Fat Nino should have recused himself, but “Partei uber Heimat/Recht” and all that.

  51. 51.

    NotMax

    June 28, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    @TenguPhule

    “I’ll retire to Bedlam.”
      – E. Scrooge

  52. 52.

    Mike J

    June 28, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    @TenguPhule: Liberals decline to serve risotto to nazis, Republicans issue death threats against Democrats. Both sides do it.

  53. 53.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 7:27 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: A good friend of mine had his skull bashed in with a brick. The answer to your question is “Yes.” Not that I recommend it in most circumstances.

  54. 54.

    JPL

    June 28, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    @Mike J: This video is telling

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1012465124517572615

    He was responsible.

  55. 55.

    SFAW

    June 28, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    Does beating the shit out of somebody ever change their minds?

    Maybe not, but if they really deserved it, the rest of the world might be happier.

  56. 56.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 7:30 pm

    @Gravenstone: I told both my sons to not follow my path, down that road lies pain and more pain and more pain. The youngest listened to me. The oldest…. He is his father’s son.

  57. 57.

    Llelldorin

    June 28, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    @M4: Guessing that someone figured “fewer than 14/88 claims are sustained” was too obvious?

  58. 58.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    @TenguPhule: Meh, I did the same thing and reached the same conclusion.

  59. 59.

    Catherine D.

    June 28, 2018 at 7:33 pm

    @SFAW: Nino’s son was arguing for Bush and the odious f*cker wouldn’t recuse himself.

  60. 60.

    MomSense

    June 28, 2018 at 7:33 pm

    @SFAW:

    The other thread, where you mentioned moving to Maine, was dead by the time I saw your comment. We have ranked choice voting now. We used it for the first time earlier this month. It took a week to get the results of the democratic primary for Governor but no complaints. We won’t have another spoiler situation like Cutler (spit).

    We’ll have to get together next time you are here.

  61. 61.

    M4

    June 28, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    @Llelldorin: that was my thinking.

  62. 62.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: But you’re not part of the Ministry of Truth.

  63. 63.

    Llelldorin

    June 28, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    @M4: Yup. They went off by exactly one number there, because I guess “14” would have been a little too obvious.

    (Reposting because apparently our moderation is significantly better than DHS’s)

  64. 64.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 7:39 pm

    @SFAW: Methuselah’s dead now? Shit…. I remember when she was just a babe! (and yeah I know, in the Bible Methuselah is a man, of course. Christians also made Jesus white. Whadya expect?)

  65. 65.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    “Harley-Davidson, please build those beautiful motorcycles in the USA, please. Okay,” Trump said in a speech in Wisconsin designed to champion his economic policies. “Don’t get cute with us. Don’t get cute.”

    Colbert is going to have a field day with this tonight.

  66. 66.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 7:43 pm

    @TenguPhule: You’re right. I am a long time member in (very) good standing of THE Ministry of Truth! ;-) Ministry of Magic too.

  67. 67.

    MisterForkbeard

    June 28, 2018 at 7:45 pm

    @lamh36: I think this is the right way to do it. I mean, we can complain about the “McConnell rule” but that won’t do much.

    Attaching it to Mueller is smart AND raises the stakes a bit. If they’re rushing to get a new Supreme Court Justice in order to protect Trump, then that makes both them AND Trump look seriously guilty.

  68. 68.

    Mandalay

    June 28, 2018 at 7:45 pm

    All public schools in Broward County (where the Parkland massacre took place) will soon be packing heat:

    Broward School Board members have created a new position they didn’t want — armed security personnel.

    These positions, known as “guardians,” are being added to comply with a new state law in the wake of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas tragedy that says every school must have at least one police officer or someone else with a gun. The district needs to hire at least 80, mostly for elementary schools. Most middle and high schools have police officers already.

  69. 69.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 28, 2018 at 7:46 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    These assholes need to get threatened right back.

  70. 70.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 28, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    @Mandalay:

    or someone else with a gun.

    Are schools responsible for vetting these people? For God’s sake, we already had a trained deputy sheriff there. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now.

  71. 71.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 28, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:
    Two magic words: witch hunt.

  72. 72.

    TenguPhule

    June 28, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    @Mandalay: Days until accident with a gun on campus…….

  73. 73.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 7:53 pm

    @Mandalay: And the state will pass a tax increase to pay for them.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…… gasp, wheeze….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….

    10,000 unemployed comedians and here I am giving it away for free.

  74. 74.

    Jeffro

    June 28, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    @satby:

    As pasty white as I am, demographic winter for white people can’t come soon enough

    T-shirt idea: “I’m not one of those white people”

    Would it sell a million, or ten million?

  75. 75.

    Jeffro

    June 28, 2018 at 7:58 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    And to cap off an already shitty day in the week, Maxine Waters now reporting death threats, cancels speaking engagements.

    Wait…I was told that “all the violence is on the Left”? Is that possibly…not true?

  76. 76.

    SFAW

    June 28, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    @MomSense:
    Thanks for the reminder about ranked choice, and anything that effectively flips Cutler the bird ain’t all bad. Sounds like it turned out OK (in a practical sense).

    I know you’ve told me (in a general sense) where you are — for some reason, Waldo or Hancock counties stick in my “mind” — but I can’t recall. We’re looking (as in “tire-kicking” phase) in Cumberland County, or Oxford/Androscoggin (basically, Thompson Lake or Pleasant Lake or similar).

    Or maybe the Belgrade area.

    Or somewhere else. (As you can see, Suzie Collins’s backbone is firmer than our plans.)

    But getting together would be good.

  77. 77.

    Jeffro

    June 28, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    Tariffs: sure would be great to see CEOs and the Chamber of Commerce throw a little weight around

    Teachers w/ guns/armed guards in schools: sure would be great to see insurance companies weigh in on that nonsense.

    Newspapers and media outlets under constant threat of violence/shootings, requiring police protection: sure would be nice to see the Fraternal Order of Police say something about who’s inciting the violence

    US Senators who deal with Emperor Nutjob on a daily basis: sure would be nice to see at least the outgoing ones with nothing to lose gumming up the works before the insanity spreads…

    (crickets)

    You know who to beat on, people. Metaphorically, of course

  78. 78.

    Origuy

    June 28, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    The San Francisco woman being called “Permit Patty” who appeared to call police on an 8-year-old black girl selling water in front of her apartment building is losing customers of her pot extract business.

  79. 79.

    SFAW

    June 28, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Oh, come ON! You may be old, but your memory ain’t so bad as to forget Methuselah’s passing.

    Wait … who were we talking about?

  80. 80.

    Mandalay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:

    Are schools responsible for vetting these people?

    Yes they are, and the linked article discusses that.

    But I don’t see how even the best vetting is going unearth the armed guards who won’t confront a killer who is firing an assault weapon. That’s exactly what happened at Parkland: the armed guard – now infamously known as the “The Coward of Broward” – stayed outside the school while kids and teachers were getting slaughtered.

    The problem is that nobody, including ourselves, can know in advance how we will react in a dangerous situation. I guess we all like to think that we would do the right thing if a family member was in danger. Well maybe so, but what if the life of a complete stranger was in peril? Would we still be heroes, or would we be like the Coward of Broward?

  81. 81.

    Jeffro

    June 28, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    ..

  82. 82.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    @SFAW: Fuck, I dunno. It was your turn to keep track.

  83. 83.

    Llelldorin

    June 28, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    @M4: I mean, unless there’s some amazing technical reason why octacontaoctiles have long been the standard for data analysis when it comes to immigration cases…

    Yeah, no, they’re just Nazis.

  84. 84.

    Kay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:11 pm

    I hate the wall. It’s a monument to fear and ignorance. I hope they put his name on it in big letters so 50 years from now people will look at it as an embarrassing chapter in history and his descendants have to apologize and make lame excuses for it.

    It’s almost too perfect a symbol to describe this fucking horrible, mean-spirited, ungenerous period in the US. Other Presidents built highways and bridges and water systems- progressive things, hopeful things, things that symbolize movement and freedom and an expansive and welcoming nature.

    This small, petty asshole builds a giant, stupid blank wall.

  85. 85.

    MomSense

    June 28, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    @SFAW:

    Readfield/Maranacook is very nice. It’s beautiful countryside and just close enough to Augusta that you can access restaurants and shopping. I would move there in a heartbeat.

  86. 86.

    Mandalay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    Somewhat OT, but not completely, since this rich-asshole-behaving-badly story oozes entitlement and white privilege:

    Sunrise City Manager Richard Salamon had a fit when a local baker refused to honor his coupon for a free cake. Now the $3.99 deal could cost him his $204,000-a-year job.

    The top boss at City Hall got nasty when told his coupon for the free mini Bundt had expired, the co-owner of Nothing Bundt Cakes told commissioners Tuesday night.

    Dannie Augustin said Salamon came into the Sunrise bakery a few weeks ago and asked her employee to “break the rules” and honor the coupon. When she refused, Salamon’s wife blasted the bakery on Facebook…

    …At least one commissioner, Mark Douglas, is calling for Salamon’s resignation. Another, Larry Sofield, says the coupon kerfuffle might have cost Salamon the respect of his employees.

    Commissioners have set a special meeting for July 5 at 5 p.m. to discuss the city manager’s future.

    That asshole needs to be fired.

  87. 87.

    Kay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    Spite fence is a term used in American property law to refer to an overly tall fence, structure in the nature of a fence, or a row of trees, bushes, or hedges, constructed or planted between adjacent lots by a property owner (with no legitimate purpose), who is annoyed with or wishes to annoy a neighbor,

    Petty, mean-spirited and vindictive. But the tragic part is the WASTE. Wasted money, wasted energy, hanging onto a grudge and ruining your own life in the process. That’s Donald Trump’s wall. That’s his legacy.

  88. 88.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    @Mandalay:

    The problem is that nobody, including ourselves, can know in advance how we will react in a dangerous situation.

    Exactly. And past performance is no guarantee of future production.

  89. 89.

    Shana

    June 28, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    @TenguPhule: Well the odds are lower since everyone’s on Summer vacation, but I take your point.

  90. 90.

    WereBear

    June 28, 2018 at 8:19 pm

    @Kay The Berlin Wall is what it reminds me of.

  91. 91.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    @Mandalay: National Republicans should get a clue.

  92. 92.

    Kay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    A new tunnel! Now there’s a nice project. Useful, productive, forward-looking.

    That’s what we used to get. Now we get a big, blank wall that screams “no! go away! we’re scared!”

    Bridges are falling down all over the country and these douchebags are going to spend billions on a WALL that helps no one and serves no purpose other than to enrich 15 politically-connected contractors. What a sad, sad symbol.

  93. 93.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 28, 2018 at 8:21 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Methuselah’s dead now?

    Nah, efg’s still with us.

  94. 94.

    MomSense

    June 28, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    @SFAW:

    Ooh, Norway is also great and experiencing a resurgence. The artists moved in and now it’s a happening place.

  95. 95.

    Kay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    @WereBear:

    It’s just so perfect. It doesn’t move anyone or anything, and a godammned idiot could build it because it doesn’t DO anything other than serve as a huge shameful symbol of fear and nastiness.

    It’s a giant step backward. All the smart people and creative people in the US and our big project is a WALL.

  96. 96.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Whew! Had me worried for a second there.

  97. 97.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 28, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    @Kay: There will be a new tunnel under the wall, and Mexico will pay for it.

  98. 98.

    WereBear

    June 28, 2018 at 8:29 pm

    @Kay: It certainly sums up their gated—community attitude.

    They don’t create or accomplish anything. What is even worse is how they try to prevent anyone else from it.

  99. 99.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 8:34 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: No nononooooo… Mexicans will dig it but it will be paid for with the profits from American drug deals. So really, Americans will pay for it.

  100. 100.

    Kay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    The Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) is a federally owned corporation in the United States created by congressional charter on May 18, 1933, to provide navigation, flood control, electricity generation, fertilizer manufacturing, and economic development to the Tennessee Valley, a region particularly affected by the Great Depression. The enterprise was a result of the efforts of Senator George W. Norris of Nebraska. TVA was envisioned not only as a provider, but also as a regional economic development agency that would use federal experts and electricity to more quickly modernize the region’s economy and society.

    But that’s too worthwhile and optimistic and productive for the United States now. Now we build a wall, and that’s ALL we build. I go kayaking in state and natural parks and you would not even believe how productive we used to be! Whole elaborate structures purely for public recreation and pleasure. Docks and walkways and managed rivers and crows nest type-things for birdwatching. Just for fun! There are thousands of people there. Whole families with campers and little kid bicycles on the back, all just enjoying these places that more generous people made decades ago. What a good investment! Pays off for years.

    And I’m stuck paying for a wall.

  101. 101.

    Mandalay

    June 28, 2018 at 8:38 pm

    @Kay:

    This small, petty asshole builds a giant, stupid blank wall.

    An under-reported aspect of this story is that the federal government is going to seize land to build the wall:

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection told a group of South Texas officials earlier this week that the federal government plans to move forward with private land seizures in the Rio Grande Valley to build sections of President Donald Trump’s border wall.

    “They said that they got the money, they got the authority and they’re going to move on trying to acquire the land,” said U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, a Laredo Democrat who attended the briefing in McAllen of a few dozen officials from cities, counties and foreign trade zones along the Texas-Mexico border.

    Optimists might be thinking “Ha! That land grabbing shit will clog up the pipes of our legal system for decades!”, but optimists would be wrong. This is what happened when creating the existing “wall”:

    …the federal government invoked a little-known Great Depression-era law that allowed it to swiftly seize land to build the barrier and compensate landowners later. Dozens of landowners whose property was taken for the barrier still haven’t received compensation as lawsuits over the fair value of the seized land linger in court.

    The investigation also found that during the process the U.S. Department of Homeland Security cut unfair real estate deals, secretly waived legal safeguards for property owners and ultimately abused the government’s extraordinary power to take land from private citizens.

    So Republicans – the party of small government – will be seizing land from its citizens to build a wall that nobody except Trump wants. It will be instructive to see which Republicans speak out against the land seizure.

  102. 102.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 28, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    @Mandalay:

    It will be instructive to see which Republicans speak out against the land seizure.

    A. None of them.

  103. 103.

    SFAW

    June 28, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    @MomSense:

    Readfield/Maranacook: I hear Maranacook’s a nice lake, have toyed with Readfield or Winthrop (You see a lake-focused theme developing?)

    @MomSense:

    Ooh, Norway is also great and experiencing a resurgence. The artists moved in and now it’s a happening place.

    I’m about 30 or so years beyond caring if somewhere is “a happening place,” but I do appreciate the tip.

  104. 104.

    Honus

    June 28, 2018 at 9:00 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Jim Wright at stonekettle has this down cold.
    http://www.stonekettle.com/2018/03/bang-bang-crazy-part-13-stand-and-teach.html?m=1

  105. 105.

    J R in WV

    June 28, 2018 at 9:38 pm

    @Yarrow:

    …the Republican party, which is now the party of Trump, is a white supremacist party.

    People keep leaving th most important words out: Fascist and Nazi are the real signifiers here!

  106. 106.

    Mayim

    June 28, 2018 at 9:58 pm

    @SFAW:
    I live in Waldo County, and my family’s summer ‘camp’ is in the Oxford Hills. If you have questions about either ~ ask away ;-)

  107. 107.

    Mayim

    June 28, 2018 at 10:00 pm

    @MomSense:
    The artists have moved to Norway ‘cuz Belfast has gotten too expensive….

    For anyone keeping score at home ~ yeah, Maine is rather fond of reusing names.

  108. 108.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 28, 2018 at 10:07 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Her destined future role will be that of the brood mother, pumping babies out till she either can’t or dies

    That would be paradise to a lot of these fundies women. For all your feigned cynism you still haven’t looked into the abyss, have you Tengu?

  109. 109.

    joel hanes

    June 28, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    @lamh36:

    I live in Silicon Valley.

    A colleague is moving to Portland, and renting out his house here.
    It’s a nice, modern, roomy house, but nothing special.
    He’s asking $5,700 / month, and thinks that’s a bit below the market.

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