Gotta love the Brits:
We know from the absolutely disastrous (for PM Theresa May, UK-US relations, the Western alliance, basic human dignity, etc.) interview Trump gave to Rupert Murdoch’s UK scandal sheet, The Sun, that the blimp may not float like a butterfly, but it sure does sting like a bee:
Revealing he has been told of the 20ft “Trump Baby” blimp that will be flown above Parliament Square today, he said: “I guess when they put out blimps to make me feel unwelcome, no reason for me to go to London.
“I used to love London as a city. I haven’t been there in a long time. But when they make you feel unwelcome, why would I stay there?
If that’s all it takes to repel the lumpy orange shit-stain, I say we all get busy making our own Trump Baby blimps.
Trump just held a humiliating joint presser with May. Because he has the wit and recall of a concussed, lead-painted snail, he told a new slew of lies about NATO, made a petulant show of refusing to take a question from a CNN reporter and denounced the network as “fake news,” called on Fox News (“a real network”) instead, bragged about how he knows all about “the nuclear” because his uncle was an MIT professor, and demonized [nonwhite] immigrants:
This is ugly.
Trump says that immigration is not "good for our country" because it is "changing the culture." pic.twitter.com/7zTXE9Miyh
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 13, 2018
As someone in comments rightly remarked, the only thing missing was the tiki torch.
I’m thoroughly embarrassed to be an American today, and it’s not even noon on the Eastern Seaboard. The buffoon will probably snatch the Queen out of her sensible shoes with one of his absurd jujitsu handshakes before tea time. Then it’s on to Helsinki and Putin, where new horizons of national humiliation await.
ETA: Genius idea for Photoshopping…everything:
German TV show @heuteshow have replaced Trump with the baby blimp and it's perfect pic.twitter.com/RcDE0juip4
— Marcel Dirsus (@marceldirsus) July 13, 2018
Also, very interesting:
The only other time DOJ tweeted a Rosenstein announcement w/o topic was the day he announced Mueller’s Russian indictments. pic.twitter.com/jegEAEzQ6b
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) July 13, 2018
Quinerly
The Sun has its newest piece up:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6769064/donald-trump-leaves-london-to-meet-theresa-may-at-sandhurst-after-explosive-brexit-interview/
Patricia Kayden
The protest photos are glorious. Brits really know how to throw those insults.
Platonailedit
I wish Elizabeth will flat out refuse to meet the thug given his horrible behavior since he landed. May is a lapdog like blair.
LAO
Hmm. Could this be another Indictment Day? Who knows?
Patricia Kayden
By the way, Trump is the son of a Scottish immigrant and has two immigrant wives. It’s bizarre that he’s so anti-immigrant. He should just come out and say that he’s against non-White migrants. That would make more sense.
Betty Cracker
@LAO: Oh please, sweet baby Jeebus. I could use some good news.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Trumpy McTrumpface
Tell that your own mother and wife dummy butt.
LAO
@Betty Cracker: It would certainly brighten my day.
JPL
@Betty Cracker: Same. Trump has been off the rails about the investigation, so maybe that was a tell. If that happens, what will Trump say to the queen? I’m so tired of the toddler in chief embarrassing us abroad.
Kay
OMG, a Trump complaining about being made to feel “unwelcome”
They’re the nastiest, most mean-spirited and ungenerous people on the planet but they expect roses thrown at their feet everywhere they go.
What IS that? Who raises people like this, people who never, ever think of others? Me, me, me. My feelings. No one else exists.
Platonailedit
@LAO:
Didn’t Mueller ask for some 100 open indictments yesterday?
Kay
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
He’s changing our culture. He’s turning us into mean-spirited ungenerous assholes, even worse than we already are and we were pretty bad.
He cannot get through a paragraph without smearing or insulting someone. The world would literally be a better place if he stopped talking completely.
Platonailedit
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Excellent point.
Kay
Hah! Fat chance. Suckers. They should have listened to Obama.
the Conster
@Kay:
The media plays along. I will never understand having any power to push back against this disgusting manbaby and make a difference, and not using it with full force.
Hildebrand
Really hoping the Queen spends all of their time together talking about what a great guy Obama was.
Platonailedit
LOL.
Quinerly
The Daily Beast:
“Money that Jill Stein raised to recount votes in 2016 swing states is being used by her campaign to pay for legal bills stemming from the investigation of Russian interference in the last presidential election.”
donnah
Was it just me, or was the press conference with May a complete turnaround in tone and in content? Yesterday Trump was stabbing her in the back, accusing her of poor leadership and bad choices. Then today, kissy-kissy, best friends evrrr, trade and military partners, new bonds formed, blah blah blah.
I can’t keep up.
Quinerly
@Quinerly: linky:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jill-steins-recount-cash-pays-for-her-russia-legal-defense
stinger
“We’re (the US) far superior to anything that’s happened before.”
Who the hell does he imagine he’s talking to? Standing there in the middle of a “culture” that is centuries older than modern American “culture”. He really doesn’t care who he insults. He has no knowledge of history, no real awareness of his surroundings, no sense of gratitude to or respect for his hosts, NO CULTURE.
I hope to God the Queen has a sudden Corgi emergency and finds herself unable to meet with him.
The Dangerman
We should start an indictment pool. I’m calling Don Junior. His new FOX GF dumps him immediately.
tobie
@Kay: I recall this moment well. Ruth Marcus–who I’ve come to think of as the punditocracy equivalent of Susan Collins–lashed out at Obama for pulling a “hissy fit” vis-a-vis FOX. Her choice of phrase has always stuck with me. In its sexist overtones, it was meant to emasculate Obama, the first black POTUS. She was never called on it and the press would never dare do the same to any Republican. Shit, they’re giving Jim Jordan a free pass after tarring and feathering Al Franken.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: I know he’s done some good things, called some sth out, but I’ll never forget Jake Tapper whining that Obama was being mean to his “sister network”, just because they referred to the First Lady as “Barack’s Babymama”
Quinerly
@Hildebrand: while showing him the IPod the Obamas gave her with Beatle songs.
Yes, those Obama scandals were big news…., but I digress….
LAO
@Platonailedit: ??? I don’t think so. Do you mean trial subpoenas?
cleosmom
I’m embarrassed too but grateful that there are people willing to be “uncivil” when it’s appropriate.
Really, a much higher percentage of us women should be wise to that “always be NICE no matter what” schtick by now.
Platonailedit
@Kay:
Betty Cracker
@stinger: Just cringe-inducing. I meant to address that point in the OP but was so overwhelmed by the racism that I forgot the mindless jingoism. I’ve read that the Queen is all out of corgis since she started thinning her pack through attrition, but she still has a dorgi or two around. Here’s hoping one of them sinks its fangs into Trump’s nutsack.
Quinerly
@Platonailedit: subpoenas for Manafort trial: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/396597-mueller-asks-court-for-100-more-blank-subpoenas-ahead-of-manafort
Jonny Scrum-half
What the hell is he even talking about – European countries never had problems before a recent increase in immigration? From what I’ve read, German crime is at the lowest rate in more than 25 years.
He’s really an awful human being, and it’s shocking and depressing to see how many people accept it. We need to figure out a way to combat the right-wing propaganda machine, because it’s winning.
Platonailedit
@LAO:
Sorry, subpoenas.
Platonailedit
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
What a normal, decent person might say when visiting somewhere.
Who will Trump smear, insult, lie about or use as a racist dogwhistle today? What human being will he treat like shit today? You know there will be at least one and probably way more than one. “Immigrants”, for example. He smeared them yesterday. Are they his punching bag today too or is someone else a target? Smearing shit all over everything.
The Dangerman
I wonder if this Rosenstein announcement is timec to happen before Trump meets Putin?
chris
@Jonny Scrum-half: From Reddit German GDP and a note about the crime rate.
Platonailedit
@Kay:
The traitorous thug smeared shit on NATO even before he got there. I just wish there was at least one world leader who has the guts to say fuck off straight to his fugly face.
Kay
@Platonailedit:
The worst part is it’s being portrayed as “toughness” and “power”, as something to aspire too. It’s just rock-bottom meanness and nastiness – it’s petty and stupid and small.
Imagine if everyone behaved like he does. It would be horrible. Dishonest, cruel, ill-informed. We’re all goddamnned lucky there’s only one of him. Good people outnumber him.
Quinerly
@The Dangerman: I’m seeing chatter that Manafort cut a deal. Could be mostly hope/speculation, though.
Steeplejack
@Betty Cracker:
The Queen clicked with Meghan Markle’s Beagle Guy, so maybe he can be put on the case.
Win-win: Beagles are known to be a little nutty, and she’s got plausible deniability. “Not my dog, luv.”
Major Major Major Major
@donnah: that’s how abusers operate.
A Ghost To Most
Apparently, my comment got eated.
There’s a company here that uses high-density foam to raise sunken structures (I’ve had some work done).
I’m having them out again, and will ask if I can get a large chunk of the waste.
It would be perfect for a replica on my roof.
Platonailedit
via bbc
The lying pos cannot stop.
Kay
@Platonailedit:
I don’t think it’s their job to call out our President. He’s ours. He’s our problem. We need to learn to deal with him effectively and in a way we can all live with and without becoming him.
Not their bad hire, not their problem. This is our mess. We have to clean it up.
japa21
@stinger:
Idiotic thing to say, but let us assume for a moment it is an accurate statement (it isn’t but just for the sake of argument bear with me). What would he attribute that to? Could it be because we are one of the most ethnically diverse nations in the world.? Could it be because of the impact of immigration from ALL areas of the world?
Nah, those thoughts wouldn’t even cross his mind.
Immanentize
@LAO:
I really doubt that they would announce a significant Russia-meddling indictment just before Trump visits Russia. Unless the attack on the FBI yesterday has finally made the DOJ take sides….
Immanentize
@Kay: I’ve mentioned this before and had a long conversation about it yesterday…. Not only is he coarsening our national discussions, he is coarsening me! I have become more angry and insulting myself. He is a sin against charity.
Kay
@Platonailedit:
The soft, coddled coward smeared her behind her back and then chickened out when he had to see her. As usual.
Loud, stupid braying and then the chickenshit lob at the media to cover. Every fucking day, the same childish petty behavior. Blah, blah, blah. Then the walk-back.
cmorenc
@Betty Cracker:
At the Y last night, the guy on the next exercise bike and I were chatting about how this is not a good time to be an American abroad.
Also, we’d be lucky the buffon wouldn’t try to grab the Queen’s snatch if/when he meets her, he’s grown so arrogantly reckless with his offensively insulting behavior.
stinger
@Betty Cracker: Or maybe a classic British Bulldog. They know how to clamp down tight and hold on!
Quinerly
@Immanentize: related… I clicked on the Justice Department’s Twitter feed looking for info on Rosenstein’s announcement in 45 mins. What a cesspool of comments. Many think the announcement will be HRC’s arrest.
MagdaInBlack
@Major Major Major Major:
Exactly.
Haroldo
@Major Major Major Major: Yerp. Had an abusive ex-boss whose M.O. was exactly this. Interesting bit was/is he despises Trump. I’d say the lack of self-awareness runs pretty deep.
Platonailedit
@Kay: Typical bully of a coward.
Kay
@Immanentize:
It’s relentless, too. He never fucking shuts up and all his stupid blatting is covered like it’s the Gettysburg Address. They are marinating the world in toxic shit. You can’t escape it, because he weighs in on everything- celebrities, sports, private companies.
Trump was covered 40% more in his first hundred days than ANY previous President. We’re being propagandized. It’s like an assault.
Jeffro
@Immanentize: You’re kidding, right? That is EXACTLY when they would announce a significant Russia-meddling indictment. They can’t keep him from meeting with Putin, but they CAN make it look just as shady as possible/as shady as it actually is.
Go for broke, DOJ! You’ve seen how they are treating your agents. It’s long overdue to ‘pants’ this clown.
Quinerly
Some good news. Auditor finds that Price should reimburse gov’t $341,000 for travel.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/tom-price-auditor-travel-685778
The Dangerman
@Quinerly:
That would be fast.
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he…
Elizabelle
NY Mag article by Margaret Haberman. Admitting He Feels ‘Unwelcome,’ Trump Finds New Ways to Offend the British
Mike in NC
Remember when Mitt Romney went to London during the 2012 Olympics and made a complete ass of himself. UK media branded him the American Borat. Fat Bastard is 10 times stupider than Mittens.
Immanentize
@Quinerly: Considering the Jill Stein bit above, it could be about Jill Stein and Bernie’s campaigns. That would be a nice way to put things on a different foot to allow some more room for Mueller.
JPL
@Jeffro: My guess is that he welcomes Benczkowski aboard. I doubt that Rosenstein would announce his own resignation, because that would be left to Session’s, but anything is possible.
LAO
@Immanentize: I expect we’ll all be disappointed with some run of the mill prosecutorial announcement, but still, a girl can dream, can’t she?
Quinerly
@Immanentize: I like the way you think. ?
cmorenc
Team Mueller seems to have gone mostly into submarine mode the last month or so, only briefly surfacing when necessary to deal with Paul Manafort’s antics in court.
Hope that means they have all (or at least most of) the pieces needed to assemble the killer app to bring Trump down, one that even the most determined GOP shills, lackeys, and Trump collaborators can’t defend against, and they only need time to finish tuning and crash-testing it out of public eye before revealing it. True, we can’t count on Mueller to save us instead of the 2018 and 2020 elections. Nevertheless, it would help if he does have the airtight goods on Trump.
Quinerly
@The Dangerman: I guess you saw his mugshot taken when they moved him earlier this week. His hair dye is fading. He needs to get this over. ?
Jeffro
Btw folks just got back in last night from a family trip to Europe. Waaay too rushed (4 cities in 10 days) but fun. Friendly people and lots of great sights seen. Only one political comment the whole time and that was from a waiter who said he liked Obama but not Trumpov (but of course)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
London police estimate 80K people. I’m guessing that means well over 100,000
JPL
@LAO: Well if we can dream, I want it to be Jared and Jr.
The Dangerman
@cmorenc:
The timing would be right for him to bring the hammer (and sickle) down on Trump; too much closer to the midterms is probably out. Which means Thanksgiving or Christmas if not soon.
Immanentize
@Kay:
It is an assault. And few of our institutions are up to the task of beating it back. But lots and lots of people are and we need to keep working that angle. I am just so angry so much. In any community in which the rule of law is stripped back, or becomes ineffectual, people will see direct action — often violent direct action — as the only option left. Trump is trying to suggest to his followers that that world exists now and that they are the victims of the lack of “fairness.” Of course, the opposite is true, and soon, someone who is a worker, or a minority, or a woman will understand the vigilante impulse. This will just create an excuse for more right wing violence. We really need some institutions to stand for continuity and rules.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: We’ll have to send them a thank you note after we finally take back the government.
Kay
What’s interesting about the far Right, both in the US and overseas, is they’re anti-immigration everywhere and under all conditions.
Trumpists basically don’t want to allow anyone freedom of movement. It’s like they’re afraid that if they complete their takeover people will try to escape. This might be more about keeping people IN their shitty, low quality governments than keeping people OUT.
Conservatives now back the people who refuse to let anyone move. They’ve really taken their crap, backwards ideology to an extreme. The intention seems to be to trap everyone in their hometown and their social station, forever. Like serfs, we’ll be tied to the piece of ground we landed on at birth.
Gravenstone
@Quinerly:
Let’s be realistic here.
Immanentize
@LAO: Oh, I dream big too! My dream is that the indictment precludes the return to the US of a number of indicted felons unless they surrender at the border.
Immanentize
@Gravenstone: I am interested to learn how many “followers” Trump lost in the Twitter bot purge.
Elizabelle
@Quinerly: Warming up for Scott Pruitt. That dolt should be prosecuted for major theft.
Immanentize
@Kay: This was always the odd fact about gated communities — were they really keeping people out? Somewhat, but more they keep people in — into a certain experience, mindset, collection of prejudices, etc.
Immanentize
@Elizabelle: In normal time Pruitt and Zinke would be fired and then prosecuted. Not normal times. I think the statute of limitations will not run for at least three years….
LAO
@Immanentize: @JPL: This made me chuckle:
Spanky
That damn balloon is ruining one of my childhood memories.
debbie
@Quinerly:
I believe he spent far more than that, but it’s a start. I also heard this morning that Wilbur Ross has finally agreed to sell all of his stock.
ETA Link: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/13/628682930/criticism-from-ethics-watchdog-leads-commerce-secretary-ross-to-sell-remaining-s
Gravenstone
@Immanentize: Didn’t click through the baity headline, but they practically crowed that Obama lost 2.5 million. Would expect Trump to be several times that, given how little confidence he inspires in actual human beings.
Kay
It’s such a crap way to live, being afraid all the time. They’re afraid of new people, they’re afraid of progress, they’re afraid that someone will get something over on them or take something they have. Suspicion. Lack of generosity. Lack of interest in or excitement about the future.
Where’s the joy in it? They’re sour. Spoiled. Like milk that sat too long. Curdled.
trollhattan
@Immanentize:
They’ll probably both get medals of freedom, for freeing so many captive dollars from the federal government.
Elizabelle
@Immanentize: Yes. Was wondering about statute of limitations. I think they should be prosecuted, fully.
All for Kay’s suggestion re going after white collar crime, and actual crime by government officials should be at the top of the list.
Problem is, standards are so lax, maybe there is not a crime at all, although the ethics are terrible. Tired of the kakistocracy. We have to fully punish those who took part, to keep it from being perceived as an “acceptable risk” for the more terrible among us.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I want DJTJ and Jared indicted. I’m preparing for disappointment.
And now laughing about the big “Scotland Hates You” sign walking down a very nice London street, which street is that? I’m sure I’ve been lost on it. I always get lost in London.
Immanentize
@Spanky: Why is your Big Boy not hoisting a Big Boy?
debbie
FWIW, Stormy will be returning to the club where she was arrested a couple of days ago. She will be dancing. I’m hoping some cameras will be trained on the cops standing by.
Quinerly
@Gravenstone: Trump lost 300,000. Katy Perry lost 3 million:
http://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/From-Trump-to-Bieber-Twitter-purge-wipes-millions-of-followers-from-famous-users-488072131.html
debbie
@Kay:
Listening to Glenn Beck this morning, I made it just until he pronounced that Trump had been presidential this past week. Click.
Kay
@Immanentize:
To see every new person ONLY in negative terms? The only possible outcome is the new person ruins something?
There isn’t even a glimmer of hope that a new person might ADD- they see only subtraction. Why try anything? If the objective is to keep everything the same then why bother getting up in the morning? We’re all just passive caretakers? Of what? Real estate?
Elizabelle
@Kay: They want to make sure no one else can do anything either. No infrastructure. No healthcare, which probably provides even more jobs than infastructure.
America the Can’t Do Nation. Brought to you by The Greatest Generation and their successors, the nationalists who want to destroy our nation from within. Selfish shitwads.
Thinking it’s time to go do something else. I am feeling sour too, but proud of the Brits for their resisting. And I hope for their sake that Brexit fails. It was not a proper vote; they should get a do-over now that people are woke.
Gelfling 545
@Quinerly: Don’t hold your hand under …er…that is to say, don’t hold your breath until he pays. Forgot I was in polite-ish society there for a minute.
The Dangerman
@Immanentize:
oooooh … Me likey.
Quinerly
“lowlights’ from that joint presser that stole 50 mins of my morning:
https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-putin-theresa-may-uk-nato-f57031f1-07a9-4307-ba94-faea90f30cfd.html
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’ve never actually listened to trump perform this bilious nonsense, so I’m a little surprised how apt it is in this case
Gelfling 545
@Elizabelle: Could Sanders possibly mean that she expected the author to write it to SOUND more positive? To make Donald look like less of an ass?
Kay
@debbie:
They defend him all day long on far Right (local) Christian radio. Literally. All day long. It must be exhausting but it means they don’t do anything else political, so in a way it’s good.
Speaker after speaker. Defending Dear Leader. It’s like listening to the radio in a dictatorship. They used to take local news snippets, scold the people involved in the local news, and point out how all the problems were caused by liberals. Now they don’t have time. It’s all they can do to defend whatever fucked up thing the moron did or said that day.
Spanky
@Immanentize:
Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease …
Gelfling 545
@LAO: I’ll be happy if it’s just not something that bodes ill for humanity.
chris
Some good pics and video from BBC.
There are even cats and dogs against Trump. My favourite sign reads:
Feed Trump to the Corgis
Jeffro
@Kay:
Fortress White America. I mean, it is a basic piece of white supremacy, to be able to lock out the non-whites. Surprised more media don’t note this?
All of this is true if you qualify ‘people’ and say instead ‘non-white people’. That’s who will be tied to the piece of ground they were born in. And as we have seen, they are even looking at ways to throw out the non-whites who are already here, starting with illegal immigrants but continuing with legal ones (even the ones serving in our military!)
Kay
@Elizabelle:
My son and daughter in law want out. I’m patriotic so I tease them that they’re traitors but I don’t blame them. This is a toxic environment for child-raising and they want a family. They want to raise decent people in a decent place. Good people. people who aren’t mean-spirited and ungenerous and scared all the time. That doesn’t seem like it’s too much to ask.
debbie
@Kay:
Agreed. Their tortured explanations and justifications aren’t even very clever any more. Every time I tune in to Beck (which isn’t often at all), he’s got a brand new viewpoint. Trump used to be an abomination; now he’s “presidential.” And he says that as he acknowledges what a liar Trump is!
NewAnonymousHandle
@Kay: I’m tired of the media and reporters approaching Trump like he’s a puzzle. On NPR this morning (1A specifically) they were discussing what Trump’s contradictory statements about May might mean and what he was trying to achieve. There’s a totally undeserved level of respect given to this administration that contrasts so greatly with the respect given the previous administration. I distinctly remember a “respected mainstream” media person refer to Obama as a d**k. I have yet to hear such an assessment of Trump even though that would be an appropriate and succinct analysis of his performance in the UK so far.
Platonailedit
bbc blog has a few pics of pathetic looking magats.
Elizabelle
@Kay: I think your kids should head to Europe. They can always come back to the US, but they’ll have a better life there. Safer, too, if they encounter any serious health issues.
Republicans have ruined the USA. They have. We can outvote them, but we will never have the opportunity that was there in the post-war period, before Republicans under Saint Reagan and his successors nestled in and destroyed our country from the inside. They enabled Fox News World and have laid waste to the common good. For money.
For fucking filthy lucre.
Brachiator
And that was just a warm-up!
This is one of many days where I wake up, take a look at the news and think, “I cannot believe that this man is president.”
When I listen to an analysis on the BBC where an interviewer asks if British leaders can “get through” to Trump on issues of trade and security, I just want to say, “bless their hearts.”
Spanky
@Immanentize: OK. fine.
Immanentize
@Kay:
This is what I mean about Trump being a sin against charity. He is preventing people from living like good people because he either inspires fear or anger in all. I don’t want to be praying for divine intervention in the back of my mind. I don’t like thinking about how my neighbors might be filled with hate for my other neighbors. I’m feeling life is rough enough in its particulars not to have a jerk like Trump make me more angry. If the Immp was a lot younger, we would probably take a break from here for a bit too.
Like Helen, maybe Ireland or Scotland is the answer for a few years? But I know what will happen. I will stay and be grumpy and fight.
Quinerly
@Gelfling 545: oh, I don’t think for one minute he will pay.
Immanentize
@Spanky: Now that’s the Big Boy I love! I grew up in upstate New York and didn’t know from the Big Boy until my father moved us all to Raleigh for a year for work. Then, the Big Boy became a big part of our family traditions.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Jeffro:
“people,as in those who aren’t rich, conservative whites” As that demand we all stay and suffer with them in intrinsic to their conservatism, think coal miners who refuse to leave their town even though the mine is closed.
Platonailedit
Has any other prez got the flip the bird welcome in London?
Shrub may be?
sherparick
@stinger: Trump: “My beautiful gilded toliets are the best culture, the greatest culture, along with my gilded golf clubs.”
Gallows humor in these dark times. We are about to descend into war, perhaps several wars, and the U.S. will be the wearing the dark hat.
kindness
Perp Walk! I want to see the Perp Walk.
Mike in DC
I hope, at minimum, the DOJ presser is to announce the indictments of the actual Russian hackers. Super bonus points if they indict literally anyone affiliated with Trump’s campaign for conspiring with them.
Betty Cracker
@Elizabelle: It’s true — they’ve hollowed us out from the inside. Our last hope is that this current shit-show causes a massive backlash that puts us on a decent path again. But it will be a long, unnecessarily difficult struggle, and many of us won’t live to see the end of it.
Ruckus
@Kay:
This is the ME generation at it’s worst. drumpf is the personification of the concept. He was raised to be it’s prime example. The only thing he’s been successful at, the best example of the worst.
sherparick
@Kay: It is the one thing he is an artist at, playing the media like a violin.
That is is what the Russians call their “Agent of Influence” is now so obvious that only Glen Greenwald (who may also be an Agent of Influence) and Trump’s minions and co-conspirators in the Republican Party can deny it.
The Dangerman
@Mike in DC:
Seems to me the key allegation was the Russians DID talk to unnamed Americans though the latter may have been unwitting. Yeah, right.
If I was one of those “unwitting” people, I’d be thinking of a nice vacation to a country without extradition back to the US.
jimmiraybob
I haven’t read the comments yet but I’m guessing that I’m not the first to think the obvious.
Zinsky
I wish countries would get smart and not allow this ignorant rapist and serial molester into their borders.
VOR
@Immanentize: Obama appealed to our better natures, saying “Yes we can”. Trump appeals to the worst in humanity, inciting fear and anger.
Yutsano
@Immanentize: I really can’t go anywhere. But I’m staying because once all this shit is over we’re gonna need bureaucrats who know what the fuck they’re doing. I’m not leaving federal service because of that.
stinger
@japa21: Exactly. Not only has he no understanding of the culture he’s standing in at the moment he speaks, he has no understanding of the culture he’s referencing/bragging on/lived in for 70 years.
SiubhanDuinne
@Hildebrand:
She wouldn’t have to say a word. All she would have to do is scatter half a dozen beautifully-framed photos of her meetings with the Obamas around the drawing room, and leave it to Trump to form his own conclusions.
SiubhanDuinne
24-Cracker gold.
LaNonna
@Kay:
Gotta say we are here in Italy providing an exit ramp for our 3 grown children in their late 40s, and the 7 grandchildren from 6 to 23, just in case anyone would like to claim EU citizenship. We decided to bail after the 9/11 Patriot*Act, took us a few years, but have not looked back. Happy to pay 35% income tax for universal healthcare, no worries about medical bankruptcies, we still vote Dem as US citizens, and anti-fascist here in the EU. Americans put up with an insane amount of inhumane policies, GOTV and let’s change it, we fund VoteRiders and the ACLU with the money save not buying “health insurance”.
SiubhanDuinne
@debbie:
But WHY??
Aleta
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P-Dog
Guys, I think you’re probably overestimating a few things. #1) Overestimating how popular “immigration” is with Americans. #2) Overestimating how beneficial “immigration” is for America.
I put “immigration” in quotes, because I think there’s a disconnect with what Donald Trump and Trump supporters are saying, and what is being implied by anti-Trumpers. If you watch the clip, since he’s in Europe, he’s clearly talking about unfettered and uncontrolled immigration, and when talking about the US he’s clearly talking about illegal immigration. I don’t presume to know who at Balloon-juice supports illegal immigration or unfettered immigration, but I would wager that amongst the voting populace in the US, it’s a loser.
There may be people who want to control even legal immigration, but that’s not really the topic being discussed here.
Let’s separate what’s actually being referenced, and what people may try to paint Donald Trump as referencing. It does no favors to the discussion if you aren’t fairly representing the actual argument.
I say this as a former progressive, and an actual immigrant.