Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

In short, I come down firmly on all sides of the issue.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

Bark louder, little dog.

If you are in line to indict donald trump, stay in line.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

So many bastards, so little time.

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

This really is a full service blog.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

An unpunished coup is a training exercise.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans in disarray!

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

The GOP is a fucking disgrace.

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  1. 1.

    NotMax

    As (of course) was away from the computer when the NYC meet-up pix were posted, and thread was mostly deceased when added this, shall repeat it here for the curious.

    List of nyms of those who signed the slip of paper passed around at meet-up:

    Jill
    Tom Q
    LAO
    Nick D
    arrieve
    RedDirtGirl
    Sam
    satby
    sfinny
    JAFD
    NotMax

  5. 5.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    I finally found something decent on Twitter – there are entire communities of people adopting character nyms while squabbling over the responsibility for the shark attacks and how to put the best spin on it. Mayor Larry Vaughn is a popular persona to adopt – his many incarnations frequently invoke the phrase “Amity, as you know, means friendship” and “a large predator may have injured some bathers”. Best part is that we’re now starting to see a crossover with Haddonfield Illinois (Halloween).

    Such glorious silliness.

  9. 9.

    Bruce K

    Based on the evidence available (including the behavior of their respective adult children), I think at this point it’s safe to say that Hillary Clinton is a better human being than Donald Trump.

  10. 10.

    Citizen Scientist

    Good morning everyone. 

    Just thought I’d share a small data point about a Trump fan here in eastern PA.  I’ve been spending a lot of time with my FIL lately, as we’re helping care for my MIL who is in hospice care at home.   He’s a Vietnam vet, reliable republican voter,  and is definitely a Donnie Triangles fan.  However,  we were watching baseball the other day and, out of the blue, he says that he didn’t care about the nfl/take a knee issue; basically affirming the NFL players ‘ right to express themselves.  So, I thought to myself that maybe this was an opening to getting him to reject some of Trump’s fear/hate-based agenda; maybe not all Trump fans are all-in on Donnie. 

    However,  a day later I got to listen to him rant about not being allowed to watch Fox Nooze at work since it was the only “real ” news source.   The kicker is, he retired three days before that, but couldn’t let it go (and I’ve never seen FN on the tv in their house) leading me to suspect that hate and fear (or at least the confirmation bias of FN) have such a hold on some that logic and reason cannot reach them. 

    Anyway,  best of luck dealing with the Trumpists in your lives.  Have a great day jackals!

  13. 13.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    Sure seems like she’s doing a lot more in terms of concrete actions to advance progressive candidates and causes than one Brenard Sanders, Independent from VT.

  17. 17.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Thieves escape by motorboat after royal jewels heist in Sweden

    “It’s 1-0 to them right now,” Thomas Agnevik, a police spokesman, told Aftonbladet. “We want to spread information and pictures of these items so that they can be identified as stolen objects.”

    King Karl IX died in 1611 and his wife Queen Kristina in 1625. The items are priceless and police said that the objects would be very hard to sell on the open market.

    “What usually happens with this type of object is that they are recovered sooner or later, because there are very few people who are prepared to handle such items,” Agnevik said. “We have high hopes of getting them back.”

    Yes, jewel encrusted golden crowns are priceless, but the “gold, precious stones and pearls” of which they are made aren’t. I’m just kind of curious how what the police spokesman said could be true. Thieves by and large aren’t the most intelligent people in the world, but stolen cars go to chop shops all the time. It doesn’t take any great leap of imagination to think of doing the same with a royal crown.

  19. 19.

    Immanentize

    @OzarkHillbilly: These sound like pretty smart thieves. My guess is that it was a job done for a particular buyer, not for the component parts. Who knows? But they did get The Scream back….

  20. 20.

    Karen S.

    Good morning, everyone. A couple of weeks ago or so, I posted in another thread about the trip my wife and I were gearing up to make with my elderly parents to go to southwestern Virginia to clean out my late bachelor uncle’s house. That trip was last week. We returned last Friday night, emotionally and physically drained. The big hiccup was that the guns my uncle had kept in a locked closet in his bedroom had been stolen sometime within the past several months. This turn of events was unsurprising since he tended to be a blabbermouth so anyone who paid any attention in the small town he lived in knew he had guns and also probably knew where he kept them and that he didn’t really secure them. I had wanted one of the guns, but it’s not to be. The cop who came to investigate said he could see no signs of forced entry. Nothing had been disturbed in the house, so whoever did it, knew my uncle. The good thing, I suppose, is that the theft took “taking care of Uncle Jimmy’s guns” off our to-do list. Of course, we still have to figure out what to do with his pron, a lot of it vintage stuff. My mother was so grateful that my wife and I helped she and my dad last week. I appreciate her gratitude, but it never occurred to us not to help.

  21. 21.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Immanentize: Paintings are different, who is going to by 300 year old canvas and paint scrapings? You better have a buyer for one of them before you make the grab (not that they always do). These guys might very well have a buyer all lined up. Or they might just have been touring this cathedral last week, noted the very lax security, and said to themselves, “It would be really easy to make our getaway in a boat.”, and then did it. The component parts would be very easy to fence and give them a few thousand anyway, enough to cover their drug habits for a week or 2.

  23. 23.

    Immanentize

    @NotMax:
    Thanks NotMax! I was happy to see the pics of the Meetup. Pony tail and glasses on head we’re about 3/4 what I imagined. And Satby is en Fuego with that red hair -+ exactly as she seems.

  24. 24.

    satby

    @Karen S.: clearing out a deceased loved one’s home is tough enough without the extra burden of hard to dispose of items. Welcome home, and condolences on the loss of your uncle.

  27. 27.

    Immanentize

    @Karen S.: To echo Ozark’s comment about gold and jewels, guns will feed a couple of people’s drug habits for a week or two…

  28. 28.

    Immanentize

    @JPL: They didn’t have much else to go on. I was wondering if it was just going to be a defense that was based on the hope of a government screw up.

    Gates is a snitch and the common wisdom is that jurors don’t like snitches. That’s true, but the feds are very good at explaining why they had to have a snitch. And jurors usually hate the big guy criminal more than the snitch. This is a paper trail case — Gates is just the story teller to introduce the paper in it’s context.

    Meanwhile, “I was too busy or stupid to know what happened to millions of my dollars,” is a very bad look for Manafort and unless he testifies (IMHO will never happen) it will be hard to pin on Gates.

  30. 30.

    Matt McIrvin

    @OzarkHillbilly: It seems like, if you’re going to go to the trouble of stealing some royal jewels, you’d probably expect a better return on your effort than just the price of the gold and stones. On the other hand, I suppose they could resort to that if the market seems unexpectedly difficult.

  34. 34.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Matt McIrvin: Most of the thieves I have known can’t see further than their next fix. I know there are intelligent thieves in the world because I have read about them, but your average dumb ass is a strict opportunist who can’t see the obvious flaws in the well laid plans they drew up on a napkin while still high and feeding their munchies at 2 am in the local diner. Then they forget the napkin on the table and a cop sits down right after them.

    As to expectations, I can see them convincing themselves they can get “MILLIONS!!!” for the crowns and after stealing them finding out nobody wants to go anywhere near these items.

    Time will tell.

  36. 36.

    Karen S.

    @satby: Thank you for your kind words. One interesting thing about helping my folks last week was that I learned a little bit more about my mom and dad that I never knew. I never presumed that I knew everything about them because that’s impossible, but what I learned was surprising, in a good way, and it helped make them more fully realized people, if that makes sense, in my eyes. So, a lot of good came from what was, in many ways, a difficult week.

  37. 37.

    Karen S.

    @Immanentize: That’s what the gun dealer who stopped by mid week hinted at. We were supposed to meet with him to discuss how much my mother could get for my uncle’s guns. (My uncle is my mom’s younger brother and my mom is his sole heir.) The dealer stopped by anyway because he knew my uncle through the local VFW to chat with us.

  39. 39.

    Immanentize

    @Karen S.: I know I mentioned this before, but one of my old students became a criminal defense attorney in San Antonio and about 80% of his client’s payments were in guns. He had the most amazing collection of rare and super expensive weapons — all from folks who barely kept their trucks on the road

  40. 40.

    A Ghost To Most

    @Immanentize:

    He had the most amazing collection of rare and super expensive weapons — all from folks who barely kept their trucks on the road

    I can verify this is not limited to Texas (ammosexuals hoarding guns, not lawyerin’).

  42. 42.

    JPL

    @rikyrah: Is covering the rallies worthy of reporters time. IMO it might be time to pull the reporters and let the supremacists shout at clouds. Trump craves attention, and he’ll call them cowards for a few rallies, but it’s not necessary to give them national media attention.

  44. 44.

    Chyron HR

    @JPL:

    But if if the reporters just keep fawning all over the pure, noble, white working master race, they’ll realize that the lügenpresse is on their side!

  45. 45.

    zhena gogolia

    I saw Mamma Mia yesterday. I thought it was better than the first one (again, not a high bar!). I like the obscure ABBA songs better than the famous ones. Lily James was excellent (like Saorise Ronan, she can do an American accent perfectly, so that you aren’t even thinking about it), but I kept worrying about whether she was wearing sunscreen. Cher’s voice was fantastic, but I can’t get over how she ruined her lovely face. She would have still been lovely with wrinkles. Oh well. It’s very amusing and full of old pros and young fresh faces, so not a bad way to spend the afternoon.

  46. 46.

    Leto

    @JPL: I saw it suggested in the Acosta twitter thread that they put one camera in to record, then they summarize the lies later. No reason to send actual people and the event is still covered. I’m sure Faux News will still send people, but no reason the actual media needs to cover Trumpov rallies. It’s all the same playbook, same script.

  47. 47.

    rikyrah

    It is common to criticize D’s for being against, rather than for, things. But I am against jailing children. I am against taking away healthcare. I am against government the transferring wealth upward. I’m against oppression. I’m against corruption. I’m against pollution.

    — Brian Schatz (@brianschatz) July 30, 2018

    tell it

  48. 48.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Though the Trump administration, unlike administrations past, withheld formal access to legendary reporter Bob Woodward for his insider exposé, White House officials are bracing for a “killer” account filled with unauthorized stories from “everyone,” according to a Tuesday Politico account.

    “He hooked somebody, and that put the fear of God in everyone else,” a former official told Politico.

    “It’s gonna be killer. Everyone talked with Woodward,” another added.

    Heh, couldn’t happen to a more deserving pile of fermented fecal matter.

  49. 49.

    Sister Golden Bear

    Repeating for the morning thread, since the request to check-in was in a morning thread downstairs a few days ago.

    It’s been a little harder than expected posting due to the time difference here in Thailand.

    First couple days after being released from the hospital have been tough. Not quite enough painkillers — the wouldn’t give me the strongest one because of a potential conflict with another medication I take — which has taken longer to resolve because it’s been a four-day holiday weekend here. So dilation has been an extra pain, and I’ve not gotten nearly enough sleep. (Yes, I’m raising this with the doctor’s at tomorrow’s check-in.)

    But had an official check up Monday and apparently I’m healing well. Was judged healthy enough to be invited to a field trip today to the surgeon’s beach house (mansion). Had a nice lunch, spent the afternoon relaxing and talking to some of the other patients. Highlight was a Thai massage, although a little ouchy at times because I didn’t think to alert her about a post-surgical spot that’s still quite sore. But if nothing else, it was a nice psychological break from being stuck around the hotel recovering.

    However, even that minimal level of outing wiped me out so hard that I ended up ordering room service for dinner because I didn’t even have the energy to go downstairs to the hotel restaurant (let alone the far better restaurants that are within a few blocks of the hotel).

    BTW, for those who want to know more (including TMI details) about what I’ve been doing, I’ve been blogging at the site linked to my nym.

  50. 50.

    Platonailedit

    @Leto:

    These media minions give the traitorous thug the oxygen and then whine when he suffocates them.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    @Bruce K: Yeah, but my evangelical sister said she heart that Hillary doesn’t even go to church, so that made Trump better. I guess you’ll have to rethink your conclusion about Hillary being a better person than Trump.

    Note: this is just my anger at my sister, coming out sideways.

  53. 53.

    rikyrah

    Confusing.
    Cohen used to say he’d take a bullet for Trump. Now he’s shooting the bullets himself.
    Rudy used to be sane, now he’s insane.
    Mooch used to be insane, now he’s sane.
    Spicer used to lie for Trump, now he’s an author.
    Only constant is Trump. He’s always been a lying pig.

    — Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) July 29, 2018

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @WaterGirl: Just as an aside, has your sister ever actually read the Bible? Or does she just take her preachers word for what it means?

  57. 57.

    rikyrah

    BREAKING: Federal judge issues temporary restraining order stopping release of downloadable blueprints for 3D-printed guns

    — The Associated Press (@AP) July 31, 2018

  58. 58.

    Platonailedit

    FiveThirtyEight has obtained nearly 3,000,000 tweets from accounts associated with the Internet Research Agency, the fullest empirical record to date of Russian trolls' actions on social media.

    https://t.co/cJ4RabkZVL— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 1, 2018

  59. 59.

    rikyrah

    But…Rick Gates went through all this trouble to frame poor Paul….

    Um, ok.

    ……………………………..

    Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, opened more than 30 bank accounts in three foreign countries to “receive and hide” his income from Ukraine, a federal prosecutor said on Tuesday. https://t.co/ogNeMm02yE

    — SeriouslyUS? (@USseriously) July 31, 2018

  64. 64.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @WaterGirl: You take the wrong tactics – point out that Jesus associated with prostitutes so obviously Trump must be most godly because Trump’s banged enough of them. As they say, facts don’t work so you need to force them to explain things to do you so they hear their own voice saying the dumb stuff.

  65. 65.

    rikyrah

    Targeting voting rights, Trump stumbles on how grocery stores work
    08/01/18 08:00 AM
    By Steve Benen

    At a campaign rally in Florida last night, Donald Trump made quite a few unfortunate comments, but his unscripted remark about grocery stores was especially memorable.

    “You know, if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID. You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture,” Trump said at Tuesday night’s Tampa, Fla., rally to drum up support for GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis’ gubernatorial bid.

    He was – in the moment – throwing his support behind tougher ID requirements for voters.

    “Only American citizens should vote in American elections. The time has come for voter ID like everything else,” Trump said.

    ………………………….

    But even more important is the fact that the president is still responding to an imaginary problem, calling for new national voting restrictions that would serve no legitimate purpose.

    Indeed, American elections do face a real threat, but it comes from foreign adversaries. On that front, as NBC News reported last week, “there is no coherent Trump administration strategy to combat foreign election interference – and no single person or agency in charge.”

  66. 66.

    Leto

    @PaulWartenberg: Apparently I’ve been an illegal food shopper for most of my life. Not sure where they’re going to deport me to, but hopefully it has good meat, cheese, chocolate, and beer (the four food groups).

  67. 67.

    Platonailedit

    Did you donate $27 to the Sanders campaign in 2016? Approximately 370,000 of those donations went to Robert Mueller's first witness.

    — Tom Watson (@tomwatson) August 1, 2018

    That’s cool 10 mil for sabotaging the dems.

  71. 71.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Caitlin Collins @ kaitlancollins
    This is a first. Trump directs his attorney general to end the Russia investigation.

    @ realDonaldTrump
    ..This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!

  75. 75.

    JPL

    @PaulWartenberg: Publix didn’t ask for my I.D. I must admit I came close to using same day delivery from Amazon for the few items I needed, in order to protect my identity, but decided go to the store, just to see what happened. I came close to buying chocolate cake, but I resisted.

  77. 77.

    LAO

    So, I’ve been off line for the last 36 hours, anything interesting happen. Like Trump committing obstruction of justice before G-D and the nation? Nah, couldn’t be.

  82. 82.

    JPL

    Trump does seem to be having a break down on twitter. I hope that he knows his days are numbered.

  86. 86.

    LAO

    @Immanentize: Waves back. No I don’t think it will past the giggle test. But can you imagine how strong the government’s case must be if they settled on “the blame my underling defense”?

  87. 87.

    Kay

    @rikyrah:

    Thanks! I love this stuff:

    What’s increasingly clear is that Manafort also attempted to exploit the Trump campaign with similarly kleptocratic aims. Take the story of Stephen Calk that has emerged in the course of Mueller’s pretrial filings. Calk owns a small Chicago bank. In the summer of 2016, Manafort applied for a loan from the bank—and the claims in Manafort’s loan applications were obviously shaky. According to Mueller, officials in the bank were quite adamant in expressing their reservations about Manafort’s application. But there was apparently a backstory that these officials didn’t know. Calk had won a place on Trump’s board of economic advisors, one of 13. Mueller’s lawyers have said that they plan to prove that Calk only landed this official title after promising Manafort loans. So, even as Manafort departed the campaign amid widespread allegations of misdeeds, Calk extended him loan after loan, $16 million in total. (The loans represented 22 percent of the bank’s total equity capital.)

  88. 88.

    Yarrow

    Good morning, everyone.

    Saw CNN for a few minutes this morning. Apparently Pence gave some speech where he blamed the “previous administration” for not doing enough on cyber security. The CNN talking head had Senator Ed Markey on to discuss it and he was pissed off. He said he was in the House at that time, he’d authored a bill to protect our electric grids from cyber attacks, it passed the House and the Republicans in the Senate killed it. He actually blamed Republicans! Moar of this please.

  89. 89.

    Immanentize

    @rikyrah: As heartbreaking as it is, I love hearing Takei talk about his experiences. He does it so thoughtfully, with so much detail. And even though he is direct and almost unemotional when he describes it all, the pain and the horror — particularly of his parents — comes through.

  90. 90.

    Immanentize

    @LAO:

    I had a defense attorney friend in Texas who taught me the most valuable lesson about criminal defense work. She taught me that there are only two possible defenses in any case: “SO?!” and “FUCK YOU!!” I have lived my law life accordingly.

  92. 92.

    Immanentize

    @LAO:
    Adding, I’m sticking with what I said before the trial started — the real defense is that the government will screw something up requiring a mistrial or like in OJ, it will look like the government cheated. Frankly, I can’t see Mueller making either mistake. But his team is filled with guys filled with hubris.

  94. 94.

    Matt McIrvin

    I’d expect the real defense is to do what they can to make pardons from Trump as likely as possible.

  97. 97.

    rikyrah

    @Immanentize:

    He does it so thoughtfully, with so much detail. And even though he is direct and almost unemotional when he describes it all, the pain and the horror — particularly of his parents — comes through.

    He was direct, and I teared up. He’s in his 70’s, and he was describing something like it happened yesterday, with such clarity. …THAT is the impact it had on his life. The details is what got me to tears.

  98. 98.

    Immanentize

    @Matt McIrvin: Not. Gonna. Happen.
    Manafort’s crimes in Ukraine will never be pardoned by Trump because they are so far from him and his. Also, there are now too many prosecutions/investigations/grand juries for pardons to be effective. Bush Sr.’s pardons of the Iran Contra folks worked because it was a very narrow investigation. Trump would now have to pardon dozens as there is no key man in all this corruption.

    Now maybe Manafort and his team we’re hoping for a pardon, and I would have agreed with you six months ago. But not now.

  99. 99.

    Spanky

    @LAO: Need to point out that those are the only two responses I’ve gotten from my cats whenever I catch them doing something they know they shouldn’t be doing.

    Multiple cats over the decades. Guess it transcends species.

  100. 100.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    @rikyrah: Very cool. I wonder if Vogue’s trend towards better racial representation is connected in any way to Teen Vogue’s incredibly good political and social justice content? I don’t know much about the two publications or how they are related. Anyways, good stuff.

    Gorgeous/stunning pix of Rhianna, handing the keys for an issue to Beyonce…ok, twist my arm :)

  102. 102.

    LAO

    @Spanky: I’m assuming this is why can have been worship for eons.

    @Immanentize: The biggest problem with the Manafort defense is that it is conceding that criminal wrongdoing took place, while attempting to shift the blame for the criminal conduct. PS — this really wasn’t for you, I know that you know that, I’m just processing what happened yesterday.

  103. 103.

    Immanentize

    @LAO: that is the Mueller Team’s weakness. But because these defense attorneys are also generally asswipes, they don’t see the potential “Fuck You” defense that these high-T prosecutors would fuel.

  104. 104.

    Leto

    @Immanentize:

    But his team is filled with guys filled with hubris.

    You don’t think Mueller can keep his people in line? They’ll start to exert their “true” personality after 18 months of doing what the boss asks?

  106. 106.

    Immanentize

    @LAO: I know, but finding the narrative villian is important. There was a study I read by some civil defense group (maybe ATLA?) That showed that how a narrative is structured determines how jurors receive information. I know that is obvious (especially to our writer/jackals) but they had great examples…

  107. 107.

    But Her Emails!!!

    @Yarrow:

    I like Markey. He doesn’t get as much air time as our other Senator, but he’s solid on the important issues.

    For all the Massholes out there. Vote and vote yes on 3. This keeps the Transgender Anti-Discrimination law on the books. It’s the issue that’s polling the closest and it shouldn’t be.

  108. 108.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Immanentize: I caught a bit of Tweety in the car yesterday, and he was saying the Manafort is the kind of “big shot”, and tax cheat, that people hate. I hope he’s right.

  109. 109.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Immanentize: I’m probably a fool for starting an argument with a lawyer, but “Manafort’s crimes in Ukraine” are not in the jurisdiction of the Eastern District of Virginia. Manafort’s crimes in Ukraine, unfortunately, are crimes for which he will never face justice. He is on trial, as I understand it, for crimes in the US that result from the way he was paid for his work (and his crimes) in Ukraine.

    There are (at least some) prosecutors in Ukraine who would love to have Manafort in their jurisdiction, but I’m pretty confident they never will.

  110. 110.

    Immanentize

    @Gin & Tonic: you have no fight with me. But don’t kid yourself about US jurisdiction. One needs only the most tenuous ties to the territory to allow valid US prosecutions. For example, if Manafort wired money gained from a fraud from Ukraine to Cyprus using a telecommunication system operated by a US company or subsidiary, even though none of the acts occurred in the US, we could (and have!) prosecuted.

  113. 113.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Immanentize: lots of talk yesterday about his “inexpensive” dark suit, as opposed to the $10,000 ones he blew all his money on

  117. 117.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Immanentize: kinda funny how the “ostrich jacket” has taken hold, at least on MSNBC. I assume it’s ostrich leather, which I think is a thing I’ve heard of, but leaving out the leather part makes it sound that much more extravagant and weird.

  119. 119.

    Immanentize

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    I agree — I heard that this morning on NPR. It’s one of those things that will be the permanent image from the trial — like the OJ glove.

    BTW, in Texas ostrich leather was a favorite for high end boots.

  120. 120.

    Yarrow

    @Immanentize: Yesterday’s reports said he was in a suit and the pant legs were too long. Not at all like his previous attire in expensive tailored suits.

  122. 122.

    LAO

    @satby: You are way to kind. LOLOLOL. It was, however, great to meet you. You are as terrific in person as you appear to be online.

  123. 123.

    gwangung

    @rikyrah: Sigh.

    It won’t move me as it would others….because I’ve known these stories for decades, from close friends and community figures. I’ve attended pilgrimages to former incarceration sites, and I’ve told (as a producer) years of stories about the camps and the injustices done in the name of America.

    But if it takes Uncle George to hammer this into American consciousness AGAIN…I’m all for it.

  126. 126.

    MomSense

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I really hope they can manage the pain better for you. There are a few of your TMI details that I can absolutely relate to – and I did chuckle with you. The rest sounds really unpleasant and trying. I hope you feel much better soonest!

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