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Platonailedit
fynyt OH 12 linky
RedDirtGirl
Thanks for putting this up.
I made some new buttons today.
NRA:
No Lives
Matter
Blue
Crimes
Matter
Mar-A-La
Go F@ck
Yourself!
RedDirtGirl
I have no idea how i put a hyperlink to my email address in that comment. And the edit/delete function doesn’t seem to be working. Whoopsie.
Major Major Major Major
RedDirtGirl
So much for anonymity. Please delete please, and thank you.
Major Major Major Major
@RedDirtGirl: I don’t see a problem?
Baud
2018: Blue Wave!
2020: Baud! Wave!
Origuy
@RedDirtGirl: The link doesn’t go to your email address, unless your address is f ck. WordPress sees the at sign, thinks there’s an embedded email address, and generates a link.
Platonailedit
@Major Major Major Major:
Anything on the login issue?
Major Major Major Major
@Platonailedit: I spent all day patiently explaining programming to programmers. I haven’t gotten to look into it at all. Frankly I don’t know how much help I’ll be on the little pieces like that since it could be literally anything and I don’t know a lot about this Rube Goldberg contraption.
A Ghost To Most
@Major Major Major Major: Any word on the interview?
Origuy
Edit window is really broken. My comment above should say “unless your address is f(at)ck”. I used angle brackets, which got et.
MisterForkbeard
I’m going to be driving home for the next 90 minutes or so, so I’ll have to catch up on this after most of it has happened. Don’t think I’ve got the patience to sit through NPR or radio commentary on the election results.
In other news, I managed to piss off an uncle today because he asked about how Trump Supporters could possibly support such an obvious clown. I made the mistake of telling him about the research involved as well as the recent Axios article about how Trump support is extremely tightly correlated with support for his immigration policy, which suggests a direct link to racism. He accused me of saying that all Trump supporters were racist, and apparently off we go. It ended with him accusing me of lecturing him when I was responding to questions he’d made in responses, and I eventually just gave up and said “My apologies, I wasn’t trying to lecture you. There’s some actual real research where which I thought was interesting and I tried to answer what I thought was a legitimate question rather than just a joke.” Apparently I need to stay off social media for awhile. >_<
@Major Major Major Major: Apparently her email address is “F@ck”, which is pretty impressive. :)
dmsilev
First batch of (non-early) votes are counted.
FTNYT:
The Ancient Randonneur
Go Sharice Davids in KS-03!
chris
@RedDirtGirl: Curses, foiled again! Not an email address.
MisterForkbeard
@dmsilev: Well, that’s entirely encouraging AND completely unrelated to a final result. I’m not sure how to feel about this. :)
Platonailedit
I see that judge ellis is being an asshole to the prosecutors yet again.
Anne Laurie
I’m gonna put up a post above this, so’s people can talk about not-election stuff, okay?
Uncle Ebeneezer
@MisterForkbeard: Yup show him the polling that the most common predictor of Trump support, after Party affiliation, was Racial Resentment. Then show him a deep dive article about the Republican Party and their racist policies. Racism no matter how you slice it.
Thad Phetteplace
Is it wrong that I really want O’Connor to win so I can rub it in the faces of some Trump supporters who are claiming that the Democrats are imploding? I mean, I also want us to retake the House… but that’s a more abstract, logical sort of pleasure.
Ohio Mom
I mentioned this on the thread before this one. If you go to the NYT results page and scroll down, you’ll see a map of the district with each of the parts of the seven counties that comprise the district, colored in varying shades of red and blue to show how that county leans.
It’s very informative if you’re not familiar with exactly how gerrymandered Ohio is.
The darkest blue area with the ragged, zig-zagged southern end is the part of the district that is Columbus —it’s the northern half of the city. You can see the grey circle that is the highway belt around the city and fill in the rest in your imagination.
You can see how the city was cut in two to dilute the Democratic vote (the same thing was done to Cincinnati). In order to get enough people to make up a district, this fraction of Columbus is attached to a pretty good-sized chunk of rural counties. With which they have next to nothing in common.
MisterForkbeard
@Uncle Ebeneezer: I think he was less angry about the content and more angry that he thought I was talking down to him. But yeah, the evidence is fairly incontrovertible.
I did tell him that it clearly wasn’t ironclad, and that some people were clearly achieving SOME goals of theirs by voting for him – and that they might say they wanted health care, or different taxes, or restrictions on corporations those voters had also clearly decided that whatever they were getting from Trump was more important.
Major Major Major Major
@Origuy: unapproved html elements get eaten, yes.
@A Ghost To Most: not yet.
Steeplejack
@Origuy:
Because angle brackets are used to wrap HTML code. FYWP thought you were going to lay down some hot code, couldn’t interpret it and said screw it.
MagdaInBlack
@Anne Laurie:
Yes ?
patroclus
52-47 now. Getting tight.
Ohio Mom
Just remember, whether we win or lose this race, it is just temporary — there will be a rematch in November.
sigaba
@patroclus: Alotta Columbus precincts still out.
Platonailedit
Where is Kay? Would love to hear from her.
schrodingers_cat
When will we know the results?
Ohio Mom
@Platonailedit: She was on the thread below. Warned us that the results would lean heavily Democratic to start.
Which they did, and now are tightening up.
hueyplong
@sigaba: Put another way, none of the votes in the recent tightening have come from Franklin County.
patroclus
@schrodingers_cat: Later. Meanwhile, have you seen Victoria and Abdul? With Judi Densch reprising her Queenly role, it’s about her “love affair” with a young Muslim (from Agra) the end of her life. Very well done!
MisterForkbeard
@patroclus: 54/46 with 34% of the vote is… a pretty decent place to be for a district that has 2x as many Republicans as Dems. I’m happy so far.
MisterForkbeard
@hueyplong: Total dunce here: I’m assuming Franklin County is a heavy Dem stronghold?
Anne Laurie
@patroclus: Take it upstairs, pretty please?
Steeplejack
@MisterForkbeard, @Uncle Ebeneezer:
Uncle Forkbeard (not Ebeneezer!) sounds like one of those embarrassed Republicans who doesn’t want to hear anything bad about the party—“Trump just came out of nowhere, like a cuckoo’s egg dropped in our nest!”—so that when Trump is gone he can go back—along with Joe Scarborough, Jen Rubin and a host of others—to cheerfully voting GOP with no misgivings. God forbid they should have to consider the horror of voting for a Democrat!
hueyplong
@MisterForkbeard: Yes. It’s Columbus.
schrodingers_cat
@patroclus: Nope. I just finished watching Crown and Sacred Games
sigaba
50% in and sanity still winning by +5.
guachi
Massive batch of Franklin County votes came in. O’Connor by five. Seems like good news for team D.
patroclus
@MisterForkbeard: Yes, Franklin County is heavily Dem – kind of the way Victoria’s Royal Household was heavily Tory and anti-Muslim.:-0
Jackie
I can’t link, but the Houston Chronicle has an article saying Cruz asking Trump to campaign for him.
debbie
@sigaba:
With 63% of precincts reporting, it’s still 67/33 for O’Connor.
raven
@debbie: 53-24
debbie
@debbie:
Damn this no edit. That’s for Franklin County.
Platonailedit
With 50% in, the lead is now 5%. Guessing them ‘rural folks’ are coming in now?
schrodingers_cat
@Anne Laurie: Sorry. Feel free to delete my reply to patroculus (sp?)
BlueDWarrior
@Steeplejack: You can see the strain in their eyes and the tremor in their voices (both actual and through print) that they have to consider the indignity of voting for a Democrat.
It’d be one thing if the Republican side was consistently of conservative ideology, but the truth is that they just hate the ‘dirty fuckin’ Hippies’ of that era and they back into justifications of their feelings later.
MisterForkbeard
@Steeplejack: My uncle is a pretty die-hard democrat, actually. (Well, THIS one is. My dad has 9 siblings and 2 of them are pretty hard-core trumpsters). I think he just was offended that I was willing to say most of Trump’s supporters are racist, and that I got overly schoolmarmy about it.
Which I kind of get. Nobody likes being shown up (if that’s what he thought was happening) by the new generation.
patroclus
Kobach still losing in the Kansas Governor primary, but only 3% precincts in.
Steeplejack
@raven:
Where’s your other 23%?
Percysowner
@MisterForkbeard: 52/47 with 50% in. I won’t feel safe until they call it, but it’s a good run. Word was if O’Connor didn’t win, or at least keep it really close, that the Democratic Party would have pulled back on the money for November. I’m guessing he’s done good enough to keep the push going.
MisterForkbeard
@debbie: That can’t be right. What’s your source on that?
And yes, I know I said early on I had to leave. I do. But I got stuck at work for awhile longer, so here I am. :P
@Percysowner: That’s where I’m landing on it. He’s already overperformed immensely. Even if we don’t get the win, we did good and this is a good augur for November.
Steeplejack
@MisterForkbeard:
Okay, the schoolmarmy thing I get.
But how has Unc managed to not notice (or, if he has, to explain) the racism oozing out of Trump’s supporters at any gathering of more than five of them (including the Cabinet)?
Ohio Mom
@debbie: Don’t you live in Franklin County? If so, go ahead and gloat, you live in the smartest part of the district. The rest of us owe you and your neighbors for putting up a good fight on our behalf.
hueyplong
Bad stretch there in Delaware County, where a surprisingly large O’Connor lead back down to about even.
Don’t care for that.
Lots better than any other year, but this is no time for moral victories.
debbie
@MisterForkbeard:
This is for Franklin County. It’s the live count.
https://vote.franklincountyohio.gov/elections/
dmsilev
Getting tight.
MisterForkbeard
@Steeplejack: He prefaced the discussion with “How can decent people we all know who want the same things we do vote for this guy?”
My answer is that they fundamentally aren’t decent people. I don’t think he liked that answer – some of his friends are republicans and I was basically telling them they were all ethically compromised and are lying about their principles. Maybe they do care about health care, charity, international relations and other things. But they decided that was less important than whatever Trump gives them, and outside of racists, anti-abortion people, and the super rich I’m not really seeing anyone benefit.
debbie
@Ohio Mom:
Just a small part of the county is in the district. A coworker who is in that district was very hopeful this morning.
hueyplong
Balderson ahead now, but none of these recent votes from Franklin.
Gravenstone
@Jackie: Cruz is actively clutching the anchor? Kewl!
Ohio Mom
Phooey. 66% in and Balderson up by 1.3% (1,838 votes).
guachi
“Green” candidate might be a spoiler here.
RedDirtGirl
@Origuy: Thanks! I was very confused.
hueyplong
Looks like O’Connor is a couple of points shy of where he’d like to be in all his “bad” counties. Counting on turnout in Franklin being outsized.
Platonailedit
Jeez, except for one county, all the other counties have now turned fucking red. Unreal.
sigaba
Back in da lead. By a nose, and still results coming in from Columbus.
BlueDWarrior
@Ohio Mom: The weirdest thing about this race is that the person who wins will be COngressman for all of what, 5 months? And don’t they both show up on the ballot in November for the regular election?
patroclus
O’Connor back in front!
hueyplong
Bang. A bunch of Franklin reports and O’C is slightly ahead.
A GOP county (Delaware) is holding back. Luckily, O’C running almost even there.
BlueDWarrior
@Platonailedit: Its rated R+10 for a reason. Outside of the corner of Coloumbus and it’s run ‘burbs, it’s pretty much nothing but rural towns and small bedroom communities.
Ohio Mom
@guachi: 904 Green votes so far. Even if they all had gone Blue, Balderdash would still be ahead by 934, by my calculations.
The bigger problem remains that the district is gerrymandered.
MomSense
@guachi:
Grrrrrrr. I’m too nervous to watch the coverage.
hueyplong
If everything finishes out as it has gone so far, might be a really close loss.
Would love to be wrong.
Steeplejack
@MisterForkbeard:
Okay, I see. Some of his assumptions are a little shaky. They aren’t as decent as he thinks, and they don’t want (all) “the same things we do.” Bummer.
I still say well done, you. Despite your well-known tendency to be an obnoxious schoolmarm, you gave him some solid stuff to chew on.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ohio Mom: This is Licking, Delaware, and northeastern Franklin Counties, right?
Ohio Mom
@BlueDWarrior: Yup. Even if we win, it will be back to fundraising and knocking on doors tomorrow. With more if a spring in everyone’s step than otherwise but that’s it.
Anonymous At Work
It’s an R+10 district, so Generic Democrat vs. Generic Republican should be 40-60 all things being equal. 50-50 means that Democrats have a 10-point advantage over “all things being equal”.
Percysowner
@Platonailedit: The map was drawn so that all the counties would be red for that District, with Columbus being a toss up. The Columbus area is upper middle class with pricey housing and can go Republican, but it also has well educated people and some diversity, so it can go Democratic. The map is here and is a masterpiece of gerrymandering.
sigaba
The lead is now officially less than the number of votes for the green candidate :)
dmsilev
Gonna be one of those nights, isn’t it? So, what are the recount laws like in Ohio?
hueyplong
Feeling better with latest Delaware.
Could work out.
Omnes Omnibus
@Percysowner: Christ, looking at that map, the fact that it is competitive is amaze balls.
guachi
A straight linear extrapolation of outstanding precincts shows team D will likely hold the lead to the finish line.
hueyplong
@guachi: I agree.
Omnes Omnibus
My last comment disappeared.
hueyplong
The linear thing looks even better now.
Of course, reality isn’t linear.
Ohio Mom
@Omnes Omnibus: check out the link at comment 82. It’s a pretty detailed map of the district, which includes parts of seven counties.
patroclus
Damn. Kobach pulls ahead in Kansas. Frickin Republicans.
eric
@Omnes Omnibus: is this a variant of the liar’s paradox?
dmsilev
Those 1000 or so votes for the Green guy would be kind of nice right now…
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@patroclus:
Here’s a scary thought and its three words long: President Kris Kobach
hueyplong
If O’C loses, the last half of Delaware county will be what does him in.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
OK, if I’m interpreting the NYT thingy correctly (link in Comment #1), in OH-12 O’Connor is ahead by 1400 votes and we’re only waiting for the remainder of Delaware County to come in….
Oh crap, just updated. The lead is now 160 votes. Out of 170,000 or so.
I was going to say that Delaware County so far was showing only a slight lead for the Republican, 600 votes out of 24000. But the gap just widened considerably, it is now 16893 to 15155 for the Republican. Obviously a couple of extremely red precincts just stepped in.
Or a Russian hacker fiddled with the count.
patroclus
155 in Ohio. Kobach back behind.
BlueDWarrior
@dmsilev: How hard do you want to fight a recount when literally the same set of candidates will face each other in the regular election for the full term starting next year. This election is almost a dry run for 3 months for now.
That’s what makes it so weird, to me personally; the calendar really kinda dampens the impact in a realistic sense, though the narrative is always the narrative.
sigaba
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: poll workers in Delaware are watching the Franklin returns so they know how many boxes to throw out.
PsiFighter37
Glad to see the Greens once again fucking us over. Goddamn idiots who vote for them after 2000 and 2016 deserve to DIAF.
dmsilev
@BlueDWarrior:Mostly was thinking about state-mandated auto-recounts for knife-edge-close elections.
BlueDWarrior
@sigaba: the fact we can make this joke and have it sound semi-plausible means our election mechanics are in dire need of an overhaul; but I’m preaching to the choir on that point.
mad citizen
I went to the Indiana State Fair today. I walked by two outdoor booths–side-by-side–for the R Senate candidate (big time Trumper) and our R governor, who is much more of the pro-business Chamber of Commerce wing of the party (longtime R staffer who worked in the Mitch Daniels administration). Anyway, on the Governor (who isn’t running this year) side of the booths, a large cardboard standup of Trumpov was there. An odd one, as it didn’t have the red tie but a dark one.
Anyway, reflecting, the having a standup of the criminal is so wrong. Would previous R state party dudes have had standups of either Bush, or even Reagan in the day? It’s the cult of narcissistic personality that is only 1 of 1000 things wrong about where we are. Why is everything about the fucking orange turd?
My only thought walking by was–I would be running away from that guy, not promoting him. The house of cards is soon to fall.
hueyplong
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: That last batch of Delaware votes was annoyingly lopsided in R’s favor.
Ohio Mom
@sigaba: I had a very similar thought.
BlueDWarrior
@PsiFighter37: Those are the voters who if they didn’t have the Green party, would not vote and just complain bitterly about politics not being fair to them.
Though to be honest, they still do that now, and they get to aggravate regular Democrats with their spoiler effect in super-close races.
Eljai
I’m glad to see the ‘right to work’ proposal on the Missouri ballot is being soundly rejected.
MomSense
@PsiFighter37:
WTF we are in a crisis and those assholes still can’t do the right thing.
PsiFighter37
Balderson up by over 1,000 votes now, with still 1/3 of Delaware County left to go. Unless there are a shitload of outstanding ballots in the remaining Franklin precincts, this one is done.
patroclus
+31
Omnes Omnibus
@Ohio Mom: I saw the map and commented but FYWP eated it.
Platonailedit
And the rethug, lagging till now, takes the lead. Sigh
The dems taking their balls and going home childish pettiness in 2010 thus handing over the gerrymandering to the corrupt rethugs on a platter will pay a long term price.
Raoul
If we keep seeing stuff like this, the GOP will be a pile of ash and cinders in November: Heidi Przybyla
That level of tone deafness will not go over well with industries that have been used to decades of policy access. I think we need to change how business does this politics/policy thing. But Trump’s method is not the answer.
hueyplong
O’C ahead but Delaware likely to stick him in a few minutes.
Another Scott
@PsiFighter37: At 91% in, FTFNYT linky says Danny is up by 201 votes.
It is a nail biter, isn’t it?
Cheers,
Scott.
sigaba
201 vote lead, though I suspect it is transient. The is Good News for President Gillibrand.
guachi
Welp. Looks like that last batch of Republican Delaware County votes was all she wrote. Unless there are heavily D precincts out (and it’s possible) it’s likely there aren’t enough votes left for O’Connor to win.
Raoul
(Also, too, BJ site issues – gahh. Probably dicussed elsewhere, but I can’t fix the dumb pasting error I made just upthread)
(And my nym/email has to be manually re-input each time. Oh well. I’ll do my best to be patient!)
The Midnight Lurker
@Major Major Major Major: Rube Goldberg – heeheehee. Now your slip is really showing.
patroclus
-741
Ohio Mom
@Another Scott: Nope. There are a lot of votes left to count in exurban Delaware County, and that is Trump country. Well-to-do and “economically anxious.”
Sigh. Well, onto November! When we do this all over again.
hueyplong
Hard to believe a county (Delaware) that spent its second half reporting on its most GOP precincts would let the last couple be O’Connor’s best.
In this particular era, that seems really unlikely.
BlueDWarrior
@Ohio Mom: At least now the O’C campaign know they need to blunt the numbers in Delaware if they want to win the full-term election in 90 days.
It sucks tonight, but at least it’s better than the margin most people thought a month ago. Would rather have to only make up 10%
Anne Laurie
@Omnes Omnibus: I think FYWP has decided ‘amazeballs’ is spam.
Quinerly
@guachi: looks like the Green Party is taking 1% of the vote last I checked. Hmmmm.
BlueDWarrior
@BlueDWarrior: … make that “I’d rather make up a 1% margin over a 10% margin”
Always something with the comment section
Percysowner
@Platonailedit: Back in May Ohio voters passed redistricting reform initiative. It’s not a bipartisan commission, but it should work to help to keep the horrible districts down.
Ohio is a “red” state, mostly due to gerrymandering, but voters have come through when given the chance. Six years ago they overturned the Law making Ohio a Right to Work State. Recently, the legislature was forced to pass a Medical Marijuana bill to try and stop voters from making marijuana legal for private use, but recreational use is on the ballot in November.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ohio Mom: With that map, the fact that it is close is a good sign for November. My time in C-bus makes me deeply mistrust that whole area. Of course, I was in German Village and the Discovery District – you know, among friends.
Omnes Omnibus
@Anne Laurie: I blame Corner Stone.
Kay
@Ohio Mom:
It’s a great result. It’s a GOP seat and they should have held it easily. No matter what they say tomorrow (and they’ll lie and say it’s fabulous) they should be scared to death that they can barely hold this district. BARELY.
O’Connor did great.
Ohio Mom
Every county is in except for Franklin at 99% and Delaware at 82%.
I will be interested in hearing if anyone has an explanation for why it is taking them so long. I’m sorry, it makes me suspicious.
BlueDWarrior
@Kay: I believe only one Democrat has won 1 total term since the FDR era. The fact that this race was at the razor’s edge is great.
Now the question is, what to do to push it over the edge tommorow.
hueyplong
Ohio Jackals, I don’t suppose there is any chance of talking the Green candidate out of running in November?
eric
From the Great Orange Satan:
Tuesday, Aug 7, 2018 · 10:19:01 PM EDT · Steve Singiser
OH-12: As is being noted all over the place on social media, there are undoubtedly going to be provisional ballots, quite possibly thousands of them, which will need to be assessed and tallied before the final election count is known. Election turnout guru Michael McDonald gave a very “back of the envelope” estimate at around 9000 votes.
This may be relevant, as it now seems likely that Republican Troy Balderson will be leading when all the precincts are tallied. With 99% of the precincts reporting, he leads Democrat Danny O’Connor by a 50.1-49.3 margin, a raw vote edge of 1685 votes.
Ohio Mom
@Ohio Mom: “them” being Delaware County’s polls.
Platonailedit
@Kay:
Isn’t turd blossom’s mantra 50%+1 vote? Of course,the rethugs will crow.
Kay
Of course I wanted to win. I believe I made that CLEAR :)
However. It’s still a very good result- he’s a good candidate- he has to be to overcome that kind of disadvantage- and it shouldn’t worry any of you.
eric
Jon Favreau✔@jonfavs
Reminder: there are 72 Republican-held House districts with a partisan lean more that’s more Democratic than #OH12
Mary G
@Eljai: Yes that’s encouraging. The Missouri voters have a little sense after all.
Anne Laurie
Omnes Omnibus
@Platonailedit: Let them crow. A 50/50 result in Ohio farm country? This is not a good sign for them for November.
Platonailedit
@Ohio Mom:
When it comes to rethugs, there is always that one ratfucking county that holds back till the last, isn’t there?
hueyplong
And Balderson has the opportunity to make a mistake or three between now and November.
Kay
@Platonailedit:
Let them. The reality is it’s a terrifying result for them and it bodes well for us in November.
It’s like how they deny Mueller matters. They can say that. Right up to the day they’re indicted. Reality intervenes, eventually.
The reality is it’s a really bad showing for an R in that district- a special election, to boot- and he’ll have his work cut out for him in November, when turnout is higher and it’s a governors race. This district was drawn for R’s. He had every possible advantage and he still barely won.
debbie
@Kay:
Even better, considering he hasn’t had any legislative experience.
Mary G
@Kay: The Republicans even had to parachute the president in, as well as spending a ton of money on a special election. It’s great news for Democrats.
joel hanes
@hueyplong:
And Balderson has the opportunity to make a mistake or three between now and November.
Trump isn’t getting any less toxic, either.
Miss Bianca
@MisterForkbeard: Really? I mean, he *asked* you why all those people were supporting Trump, you answered, and then he got mad? If he’s *not* a Trump supporter, wtf is his problem with the idea that Trump supporters are stone-cold racists?
columbusqueen
@hueyplong: Delaware County has been solidly Repub for over a century–the vote count isn’t really a surprise.
sdhays
@eric: That’s an astonishing number. That should be the lede for any news reports tomorrow.
Tazj
@Eljai: That’s great news. I also read that Republicans changed the law in order to put the referendum vote on primary night instead of general election night. I’m glad it didn’t work out for them tonight.
Omnes Omnibus
@Platonailedit: Do I have to link to the reports from the Waukesha County investigation again?
Omnes Omnibus
@columbusqueen: A lot of people with no knowledge of Ohio are getting concerned about standard Ohio things.
debbie
I believe it’s been reported that O’Connor raised more money than Balderson. Another good sign.
BlueDWarrior
So yeah, my thoughts are that it sucks that O’C lost tonight, but this was to serve out the last half a year of a term. While it would have been fun for the narrative, I’d rather lose now and win later than win now and lose later.
Of course I’d truly rather win now and win later but with a district of this makeup, that would have been the tallest of orders.
Ohio Mom
@Miss Bianca: Eh. Lots of people are resistant to looking at family members objectively.
The only thing I think Mr. Forkbeard could have done differently is warn his uncle that it takes a lot of courage to wrestle with cognitive dissonance and not everyone has it in them. The dissonance here being, These people are my family whom I am very attached to, have so many good feelings about, AND I’m supposed to accept that they are racists to the core? But they’re so nice (to me)!
columbusqueen
@Omnes Omnibus: Well, so am I. I’d love to puzzle out how to get southern Delaware co to go blue, but it ain’t happening yet.
The Ancient Randonneur
Green Party —> wypipo
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Kay:
I love this. It sucks O’Connor didn’t win, but that it was so close in a safe, gerrymandered R district like OH 12 really should terrify the GOP.
Omnes Omnibus
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Another Ohio voice.
hueyplong
@columbusqueen: I am not unaware of the fact that Republicans always win the district, which necessarily includes Delaware. For O’C to win tonight, the idea was to try for 47% of Delaware. He was beating that for much of the evening, and then he wasn’t, while that county was the last GOP one to remain uncounted. Those are the factors that went into talking about Delaware so much.
Great effort that came up just short. We’d like to think that trends over the next 3 months favor O’Connor adding a percent or two to his total. I hope the Democrats give him $$$ support.
Miss Bianca
@Ohio Mom: Yeah, I get it. But I’m also of the opinion that unless you’re asking a question purely for rhetorical effect, getting mad at the messenger when you don’t like his message is a mook’s game.
tobie
I hope things turn around in KS-03 and Sharice Davids pulls ahead but right now it seems like the Sander’s contingent is unified around one candidate and the remaining 65% of the Democratic electorate is split among 4 candidates. Early on, I felt that if you didn’t want Welder to win, you had to support Davids, and that’s why I phonebanked for her. A vote for Niermann was a wasted vote. Saw this same thing happen in the Maryland gubernatorial race, didn’t want to see it repeated.
Yutsano
@tobie: Per Vox it hasn’t been called yet but the Wimerite is ahead right now. FUCK I wanted Sharice here!
Omnes Omnibus
@Yutsano: We support the primary winner. Right?
The Ancient Randonneur
Regardless of what happens tonight just remember one thing: MAGA —> Mueller Ain’t Going Away!
Kay
@hueyplong:
The Green Party is terrible in Ohio and they’ve been terrible for a long time. I don’t know what they’re like nationally but here they’re basically a scam. Mostly what they “contribute” is starting and spreading conspiracy theories about voting machines, and bringing dumb lawsuits. But, Ohio has very egalitarian ballot entry qualifiers so they’ll always be on there.
sigaba
@The Ancient Randonneur: Green Party voters believe in Deliberate Demolition and that Hillary and Trump are both Zeta Reticulans.
DemJayhawks
In KS-03, Johnson County is behind in reporting. They’ve only released the advance numbers; none of the precincts have reported today’s numbers.
Kay
Yay! We’ll do this in Ohio too when they pass it legislatively. Again. We’ll do it again in Ohio. The anti-RTW billboards out here are great- it’s a man in a suit picking the pocket of a person in work clothes :)
Simple but effective, I think.
JeanneT
Gretchen Whitmer won the Democratic primary for Governor in Michigan w/50% of the vote. I’ve been a fan of hers since she was barred from the house floor for using the word ‘vagina’ during a debate on abortion rights, shocking the delicate ears of the white Republican men of the MI state legislature. Abdul El-Sayed (Bernie endorsed) won 34% of the vote; he was an attractive candidate with a good progressive platform, so I hope he stays involved. I’d be really excited to see a Whitmer-El-Sayed ticket…..
Now we’re waiting to see how the local races shook out. Those results are so slow!
Davebo
Tbogg nails it again.
The Ancient Randonneur
@Kay:
Welcome to Vermont. That and a weak ass state Democratic Party bring the USA Bernard fucking Sanders.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m not as knowledgeable as Kay is about state politics (I pay more attention to national and international politics), but it’s clear to anyone that this is a great result.
tobie
@Yutsano: @DemJayhawks: Any idea why it’s taking so long for the results to pour in?
Just heard Balderson on TV. What a dud! O’Connor was so much more authentic, energetic, and focused on what he was fighting for. I’m assuming he’ll stick around and that’s a good thing.
Mary G
Kay
I also know no one wants to hear it, but it is true. Maybe turning it around helps. If you live in a safe D district imagine if the R almost beat the D. You’d be thinking “wow, what happened?”
Donald Trump is a liar. What he says is not actually true, which matters for his personal ethics and twisted psychology and all, but also matters because it’s not reality. So, you know, cling to reality.
Omnes Omnibus
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: I wasn’t insulting you.
Kay
@The Ancient Randonneur:
I’ve come to hate them because they discredit voting rights advocates, with their dumb fucking useless lawsuits which seem to me to be obvious fundraising and list-building scams, and make me doubt peoples’ ability to function because they’re still buying it after 20 years.
DemJayhawks
@tobie: New voting machines, new county election commissioner (selected by Kobach, which makes me shudder), and reportedly long lines when the polls closed at 7.
ema
There are 8,433 absentee and provisional ballots left to be counted (won’t be counted for another 10 days).
Kay
@The Ancient Randonneur:
Useless lawsuits baffle me. Even a useless one is hard to do as far as work expended. WHY? My God, just do something easier. I think of a whole room full of people industriously working on garbage – how do they stay motivated? I’d have to go home.
debbie
@Kay:
Just listened to Balderson’s victory speech. He enthusiastically thanked Trump and Pence for campaigning for him, which will only spur them on to campaign more furiously nationwide, That can only be a help to our side.
opiejeanne
Here on the North Left Coast we’ve seen some returns and the local Democrats are way ahead. Haven’t heard anything State or US Senate yet.
tobie
@DemJayhawks: Thanks for the insight. What a mess. Kobach sucks as an attorney, is an evil person, and evidently is unable to perform the most basic functions of government.Can’t believe anyone would vote for him for governor.
Platonailedit
In the jungle primaries of WA, dems are doing great so far.
cathy mcmorris rodgers has a 0.3% lead. Hopefully she will be toast, come Nov.
Steeplejack
@Miss Bianca:
It was the schoolmarmery more than the message.
burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
Of course, but it’s more pleasant when you don’t have to hold your nose.
aliasofwestgate
@JeanneT: I live in St Clair County in MI, i expect the place to pretty much stay red. But i made my voice heard for Whitmer and Stabenow. Did vote for all the ladies i could in the other slots. But it was great seeing actual opposition up and running against the far too comfy in this area GOP. They may not win in November, but they’re gonna make it expensive as hell for the lot of crooks that is the local GOP. I’m also going to vote again, and do my best to help them along in the small ways i can.
Yutsano
@opiejeanne: @Platonailedit: It does make me feel good that one of those votes was mine. I live in the 4th District but Christine Brown will be on the ballot. And she’s done a great job at being visible as opposed to the milquetoast Dan Newhouse.
janesays
@Tazj: Unfortunately, the reason they did that is less about trying to win Prop A now than it is about trying to beat Claire McCaskill in November. Prop A on the November ballot would have given McCaskill better odds of holding her seat. She still can, but it’s looking darn close, and I certainly wouldn’t put that one as a lock for a victory for our side just yet. I think it’s gonna be a squeaker.
tobie
Lynn Horsley of the Kansas City Star reports:
Johnson County is evidently the most densely populated county in Kansas. This means we won’t know who won the Republican gubernatorial race or the Democratic primary for KS-03.
Mike J