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Local news in the Washington Post, “White-supremacist rally near White House dwarfed by thousands of anti-hate protesters”:

White supremacists held a rally in Washington on Sunday, and almost no one but their opponents and the police showed up.

Jason Kessler, one of the organizers of last year’s violent and deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, wanted to hold an anniversary demonstration there, but the city wouldn’t let him. So he brought his show to Washington, where he hoped 400 supporters would join him for a rally at Lafayette Square, across from the White House. Fewer than 40 turned out.

The group was met by thousands of protesters who filled their half of the leafy, seven-acre park chanting “Go home, Nazis!” “No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA!” and “Black lives matter!” They drowned out whatever message Kessler and his small band of followers had hoped to deliver — and that was their goal.

For opponents, the day felt like a victory, albeit an often tense and angry one…


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  2. 2.

    different-church-lady

    Just mill about in blazing August humidity as an entire, beautifully unified city yells at you and takes pics to show your employers.

    Oh, like they even have employers?

    Of course, I don’t have to go looking to know this is being played on racist-web as LOOK AT ALL THE COPS THEY NEEDED TO PROTECT US FROM HATEFUL ANTIFA!!!!

  3. 3.

    Corner Stone

    My son and I were in DC on 8-6 and went to the WH area to view the Rosie + Broadway peeps protest. We got there about the time Kristin Mink (sp?) started speaking in between some songs. Maybe 200 people there in support of the protest or just interested? That was a lot of fun.

  4. 4.

    Jay Noble

    Intersting to notice the diversity of the cops.

    Something occured to me the other night. If these twits want to cosplay as Nazis, why don’t the good guys on our side dress as WWII armed forces Army, Navy Wacs Wavs and so on. If not comfortable with the uniforms, how about poster size pictures of family members who served against the Nazis? No confrontations no Yelling. Just stand there and represent.

  5. 5.

    Major Major Major Major

    Antifa Twitter is totally convinced that this rally sucking represents proof that antifa is the only viable way to address fascists and also this somehow represents the failure of neoliberalism.

    That was when I closed twitter for the day lol.

  6. 6.

    Pogonip

    Also on the subject of pets, how difficult is it to keep finches alive and happy? They sure are cute liitle birds.

    What I really want is a DOG, preferably a vicious little chihuahua that will reduce to bloody shreds the ankles of the person or persons who stole our lawn ornaments, but the autistic family member is terrified of dogs.

  7. 7.

    Lapassionara

    @Baud: Ditto. I know I am getting old when I wonder why the people marching against fascists are labeled “antifa.”

  10. 10.

    raven

    @Lapassionara: antifascists.

    If the alt-left exists, it’s probably best represented by “antifa” (short for “anti-fascist”) — a loose network of left-wing activists who physically resist people they consider fascists. These are often the scruffy, bandana-clad people who show up at alt-right rallies or speaking events in order to shut them down before they happen, and they openly embrace violence as a justifiable means to that end.

    Antifa is not a monolithic organization, nor does it have anything like a hierarchical leadership structure. It’s an umbrella group that shares a number of causes, the most important of which is resisting white nationalist movements. Adherents are mostly socialists, anarchists, and communists who, according to Mark Bray, a historian at Dartmouth College and author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, “reject turning to the police or the state to halt the advance of white supremacy. Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville.”

  12. 12.

    raven

    @Pogonip

    The 1488 is for a white supremacist group. The 14 is from the quote, “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children” with 14 words. The 88 is for the 8th letter of the alphabet H, which means Hail Hitler.

  13. 13.

    different-church-lady

    @Jay: [Writes note to self to look up snorks, grumpkins, and lutzers.]

    [Looks at note, tears it up, throws it away.]

  14. 14.

    Corner Stone

    @Lapassionara: Because they have to cover their faces due to being tear gassed by LEO. If they weren’t labeled “antifa” then they would have to call them Steve or Bob or the guy who cuts your hair who doesn’t agree with Nazis marching in his town. And we can’t have that.

  16. 16.

    Amir Khalid

    That video clip of the racist Kessler marching to his rally with his very few supporters, behind the policemen of colour protecting them, is telling.

  18. 18.

    Jay

    @Lapassionara:

    antifia = Anti Facists

    Because the US Media has to bothsides the hell out of it to normalize Nazi’s and the alt-Reich,

    and the Nazi’s, alt-Reich and ReThug need a scary boogyman,

    White Flour Clowns and Librarians Against Hate = scary Antifia

  19. 19.

    different-church-lady

    The fourteen words are: “I eat my poop and I recommend all right-thinking people do the same.”

  22. 22.

    jl

    I heard an apparently amused reporter on the news yesterday say that one of the white supremacists told her they were going home early because the weather was inclement. (why did the reporter reveal her amusement on air? More Deep State treachery, I guess). Anyway, I thought that was pretty weak excuse for the master race.

    The report also said the antifa crowd (who were strong enough to brave the supposedly bad weather) hung around and a few of them tried to draw the police into a confrontation, but looks like, thankfully, that didn’t work.

  23. 23.

    raven

    @Jay: They are some nasty motherfuckers. They want people to get hurt to move their cause forward. I saw the same stupid assholes in the 60’s-70’s. Some are probably agents provocateurs but not all.

  27. 27.

    Jay

    @different-church-lady:

    Snorks and grumpkins are the scary monsters under a small childs bed,

    Lutzer’s are online cosplayers who’s online “game” is to offend and spark outrage for shits and giggles.

  29. 29.

    lamh36

    Oooh…Omarosa is going there…saying out loud what many have pondered on…

    Chump sure ain’t gon like that!

    POPCORN GIF!!!

    She said “I believe he covets his own daughter.” She’s not holding back at all. I had a modicum of sympathy for Ivanka and her having to deal with her father’s sick attraction to her. But to know that she basically flirts with her own father leaves me disgusted.

    8:36 PM – 13 Aug 2018

    https://twitter.com/itgurl_29/status/1029179858356764681

  30. 30.

    Lapassionara

    @Jay: not to mention retired people like me, who would have been there if I had been in the DC area. This sucks, this dismissing of a resistance against fascism.

  35. 35.

    Anne Laurie

    @different-church-lady:

    This is just the “black bloc” rebranded, yes?

    As I understand it, the “black bloc” is a subset of the antifa, the ones who believe that state violence can only be exposed by anti-fascist ‘retaliatory in advance’ violence.

    Whether the Black Bloc should be classified as our revolutionary vanguard or a few bad apples seems to depend on the speaker and/or the latest media-boosted incident…

  41. 41.

    lamh36

    Dude…so you needed someone else to confirm you never used the word…ugh

    Omarosa def has gotten under his skin.

    @realDonaldTrump
    Blocked Blocked @realDonaldTrump
    More
    [email protected] called to say that there are NO TAPES of the Apprentice where I used such a terrible and disgusting word as attributed by Wacky and Deranged Omarosa. I don’t have that word in my vocabulary, and never have. She made it up. Look at her MANY recent quotes saying….

    8:50 PM – 13 Aug 2018
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1029183344397955074

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    Apparently the Twink for Trump has some deep seated, unresolved issues. Also, like Stephen Miller, someone else who doesn’t quite realize that the people he’s playing footsie with only see gay when they look at him, not white.

  46. 46.

    Jay

    @raven:

    YMMV.

    There are groups of anarchists ( the Black Block) who show up uninvited, to pretty much every protest, to stir shit up. They are a minority.

    Still, to bothsides the shit out of it, Everybody who shows up to protest the Nazi’s and alt-Reich is being labeled by the press as scary Antifia.

    Antifia simply means antifacist.

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Pogonip: Stands for Adolf Hitler. A is the first letter of the alphabet. H is the eighth.

    Never mind, disregard. My Fingers got ahead of my reading comprehension. Some of these knuckleheads do have 18 tattoos where the 1 stands for the A in Adolf and the 8 stands for the H in Hitler. That is obviously not the case here as the tattoo was of a 14, which stands for the 14 words previously referenced.

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36: “I believe he covets his own daughter.”

    I believe that, also. I clicked the link – I had never seen the expression “spilling the tea” before. Something like spilling the beans, but more than that because it’s something juicy?

    P.S. I hope Omarosa spills all the tea.

  53. 53.

    A Ghost To Most

    @Lapassionara:
    Agreed. There is more than one way to resist. I’m thinking part of the poor showing by the nazis is because they were pissing their pants about antifa. Good. At least some folks on our side have some huevos.

  54. 54.

    lamh36

    @Corner Stone:

    @franklinleonard
    Following Following @franklinleonard
    More Franklin Leonard Retweeted
    If there were no such tapes and Trump was certain that there’s no scenario where there could be, why would @MarkBurnettTV need to call him to reassure him that no such tapes exist?

  55. 55.

    lamh36

    @lamh36:

    @therebeccasun
    6m6 minutes ago
    More Rebecca Sun Retweeted Franklin Leonard
    Furthermore, if you’ve never said the N-word because it simply has never been a part of your vocabulary, why would you need someone to call you up to reassure you that there are no recordings of you saying a word you say you’ve never said?

  57. 57.

    Bobby Thomson

    Jason Kessler says his group is small because supporters are scared after what happened in Charlottesville. He also says as soon as he got to Vienna Metro the police told him they had to get on the train. He says supporters may have been left behind.

    Oh cry me a fucking river. He gets a whites fucking only train and he has the gall to complain about timing? The ACLU probably would have gotten a TRO if they had left when they were supposed to.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36: These guys never learn. When they say I NEVER said that or did that, that’s how they really piss people off and they come out of the woodwork to say “oh yes you did, and here’s when” And where. And oh yeah, I have you on tape.

    Am I the only one who is wondering if Robert Mueller might be interested in Omarosa’s tapes?

    Also, I tried to type Mueller and it kept changing to Bueller. I never connected those names before…

  61. 61.

    Elizabelle

    @lamh36: I wish Aretha all the best. She is a force of nature. Enjoyed the youtube you posted this morning.

    Hospice is good. Rest be to a phenomenal voice and spirit.

  66. 66.

    japa21

    We were driving the last leg of our 18 day, 5200 mile round trip to the left coast and back yesterday. We kept listening to MSNBC and they were sounding almost disappointed at how there wasn’t anything really happening. It was so boring we turned on 50’s music, then 60’s music and then 40’s.

  67. 67.

    Jay

    @A Ghost To Most:

    That’s the excuse they are using to blame the poor showing and the media is deliberately echoing it to promote the idea that “both sides” and only violent people are against Nazi’s.

    The matching White Pride Demo in Toronto had 3 people show up and 500 counter protestors.

    It was heartwarming to watch Toronto Cops attacking nonviolent protestors to defend Facists.

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    @Elizabelle: See raven at #12. Oh hell, here’s the copy & paste.

    The 1488 is for a white supremacist group. The 14 is from the quote, “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children” with 14 words. The 88 is for the 8th letter of the alphabet H, which means Hail Hitler.

    :: waves hello ::

  69. 69.

    NotMax

    Been off attending to stuff which could be put of no longer, so no idea if any or all of this has already been mentioned. Things which caught the eye during the daily whiparound of some frequently visited sites:

    IOKIYAR, indeed.

    In large red letters atop a Georgia Secretary of State’s office web page featuring precinct-by-precinct vote tallies from the May 22 primary election stand the words: “Official Results.”

    But the data is hardly official. Two and a half months after the primary, many of the voter turnout figures are wrong – in some instances wildly wrong, excluding totals from the Democratic races in the red state. Source

    Sooprize, sooprize.

    At least 125 Republican campaigns and conservative political groups spent more than $3.5 million at President Donald Trump’s resorts, hotels and restaurants since January 2017, the month he was sworn in, according to an analysis by McClatchy.
    [snip]
    By comparison, candidates and political groups spent less than $35,000 at Trump properties for the entire two-year 2014 election cycle, according to FEC records. The biggest spender was former Rep. Allen West’s leadership fund, which spent more than $15,000 on fundraising expenses at Mar-a-Lago. Source

    How do you say “maybe mañana” in Paleoltilhic patois?

    New archaeological research from The Australian National University (ANU) has found that Homo erectus, an extinct species of primitive humans, went extinct in part because they were ‘lazy’.
    [snip]
    “Not only were they lazy, but they were also very conservative,” Dr Shipton said. Source

  71. 71.

    lamh36

    Soledad O’Brien bringing the heat to her former employer…CNN in response to their Chump admin headline…

    @soledadobrien
    Following Following @soledadobrien
    More Soledad O’Brien Retweeted CNN Politics
    Very terrible! But, uh, walk me through the senior black staff at @CNNPolitics or @cnn or, hey, I’ll take cable news….

  72. 72.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Elizabelle: Never mind, I got ahead of my reading comprehension. I screwed that up. Some of these folks have 18 tattoos where the 1 stands for the A in Adolf and the 8 stands for the H as in Hitler. I I’ll go back and remove that one. My bad.

  76. 76.

    Gin & Tonic

    @lamh36: Let’s say there’s tape, Trump saying it 100 times, and it comes out tomorrow. Nothing will change. There isn’t a person in America who will actually be surprised, and everyone who hates him today will continue to hate him tomorrow, while everyone who loves him today will hear their own selves in the tape and will love him all the more for saying the “politically incorrect” thing. This speculation is a total waste of time and effort.

  77. 77.

    WaterGirl

    @NotMax: I never made the connection, so thanks for that. That’s why I hate when people change their nyms.

    edit: speaking of which, does anyone know who SIA became?

  78. 78.

    Anne Laurie

    @lamh36:

    If there were no such tapes and Trump was certain that there’s no scenario where there could be, why would @MarkBurnettTV need to call him to reassure him that no such tapes exist?

    As Ms. Manigault-Newman has been saying: The man is so far in mental decompensation, he can’t remember what slurs he might’ve thrown around this weekend, much less during “reality show” filming a decade ago!

  80. 80.

    Belafon

    I disagree with John Bakers assessment. These Nazis were hoping for Antifa to fight them. It’s the language they understand. What scares all of these people were the larger counterprotest crowds that show up. I guarantee you that all those white supremacists in Boston last year, sitting in the gazebo being surrounded by thousands of good people were scared shitless.

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    @Gin & Tonic: What speculation? I am 100% sure that Trump said it and that it’s on tape.

    I am, however, very glad that Omarosa said what she said about Trump and his daughter.

  83. 83.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Former Gateway Pundit White House correspondent reacts to his exit from the site by naming lobsters after his enemies, boiling them alive

    That’s sick.

  85. 85.

    japa21

    @WaterGirl: Thank you. Longest single day was 616 miles. Most of which was across Kansas. Mrs Japa and I decided to drive out to my siblings reunion south of San Francisco this year instead of flying like we usually do. Decided we are getting up there age wise and there is a lot of this country we haven’t seen. The beauty that is available to witness in this country is amazing. Of course, much of the driving was in red states so we keep pretty quiet when we were in restaurants and such.

  86. 86.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @lamh36:

    Tim Miller @ Timod
    Totally believe you and I think @MarkBurnettTV should release all the Apprentice tapes just to verify and prove you right once again Mr President!

  87. 87.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36: I wonder if she blew them off the last time?

    Love your popcorn guy. Not quite as much as your lawn chair guy. Of course, my real love is saved for Idris Elba. You weren’t here the night we were talking about Idris being on the super-short-list for Bond. Unless you came after I closed up for the night.

  88. 88.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    The Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused the United States of stabbing his country in the back.

    What did you expect Neo-Sultan Erdogan? It’s Trump. Being an untrustworthy, unstable asshole that stabs people in the back when convenient is kind of his thing.

  90. 90.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    @jl:

    I was right behind some of them at about 4:45. I overheard them talking about how to move around and get up right next to the nazis

  93. 93.

    WaterGirl

    @japa21:

    Longest single day was 616 miles. Most of which was across Kansas.

    And here I always thought it just SEEMED like driving through Kansas took forever.

  96. 96.

    lamh36

    @franklinleonard
    23m23 minutes ago
    More
    Just messaging my friends to let them know that I definitely do not have tapes of them using the N word.

    You know, as one does.

  98. 98.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    in other news, the rolling grift rolls on

    Kyle Griffin @ kylegriffin1
    In 2014, political spending at Trump properties was $35,000.

    In 2018, it’s $3,500,000, according to McClatchy.

    LOLGOP @ LOLGOP
    A Macy’s parade balloon-sized parody of what they pretended the Clinton Foundation was.

    remember pay-to-play? and that probably doesn’t count stuff like the Saudi prince who pushed the hotel in NYC into the black, or the doubled membership fees at Mar-A-Lago, or….

  101. 101.

    WaterGirl

    @Major Major Major Major: SIA was a former commenter (or possibly a current one and I just don’t know the connection). SIA stood for Screaming in Atlanta. I always liked SIA.

    I also wonder about AWS sometimes. That stood for Arguing With Signposts. Good guy, very interesting. Awesome cat photos, you would have liked him.

  104. 104.

    lamh36

    @WaterGirl: I missed that thread, but ya already know, I heard about that news. Remains to be seen if it comes to pass, but I’m on record saying I love Idris no matter what, but Bond needs Idris more than Idris needs Bond.

  106. 106.

    lamh36

    @elainaplott
    Follow Follow @elainaplott
    More
    Source passed along an early copy of Omarosa’s book, which I read so you don’t have to. Here’s what she says about members of the “cult of Trumpworld,” beginning with VP Pence and Hope Hicks:
    https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1029185248213577728

    She says she’ll be updating with more excerpts about Reince, Spicer, the family and Melania!

    She’ll read it, so we don’t have to

  108. 108.

    Adam L Silverman

    @WaterGirl: Where we find out that Ivanka’s porn star voice is fake and Jared’s “I haven’t gone through puberty yet” voice is real.

  110. 110.

    Kay

    I love the leader in the suit, striding purposefully with the rest of the losers fanning out alongside.

    I think the same thing of these people I used to think about birthers- their grandchildren will see these photos. God, I’d die of shame. “What were you DOING grandma?”

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36: Me, too. I love Idris, though I have to say there’s some lust in there, too. You’re right about Bond and Idris. They would be nuts not to do it. And money-wise, I’m sure box office would be over the moon.

  115. 115.

    Procopius

    @raven: Jake Tapper and Brian Stelter complaining about “totally unacceptable” behavior by a protester. Reading between the lines, I guess they shoved a camera in her face and she pushed it away. Just shows how deeply they are in denial about how many people hate them, not just Trumpists.

  119. 119.

    A Ghost To Most

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Thanks for the tip about clcboats. That could be just the ticket, although I would use a much beefier trailer frame. Did you say you built your boat?

  121. 121.

    Ken

    @WaterGirl: I remember driving across Kansas and seeing signs for some roadside attraction – “500 miles to the World’s Largest Fiberglass Gopher” or some such nonsense. I decided to stop and see the thing, because what else are you going to do crossing Kansas? 400 miles, 200 miles, 100 miles, 50 miles, finally “Gopher next exit!” Joy!

    Then at the exit, the sign said “Gopher 20 miles >>> Take County Road CC north”.

  123. 123.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Kay:

    “What were you DOING grandma?”

    “I was fighting to secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children you ungrateful race traitor!”

  124. 124.

    Kay

    @Adam L Silverman:

    How stupid are these people? It didn’t occur to any of them that one of the grifters they surround themselves with would record their gross conversations? Of course she did. She’s not the only one, I’d bet.

    Cohen recorded too. They all probably do it. They don’t even stay bought, these people. They got paid AND they’re selling the Trumps out.

  138. 138.

    WaterGirl

    @Ken: Is that when you started banging your head against the windshield?

    I’ve never stopped at any of those tourist places – hard to believe I was able to pass up the world’s biggest ball of twine!

  141. 141.

    Platonailedit

    @Kay:

    Apparently the racist ratfucks hired a professional black MC (you can see him at the end of the clip) for the event and that pissed off the other racist ratfucks.

  142. 142.

    WaterGirl

    @Chetan Murthy: I never knew until the discussion the other night that Idris was in The Wire. Reason 101 for me to finally watch The Wire. I can only imagine what he looked like when he was a young pup.

  144. 144.

    lamh36

    Sad news about Aretha Franklin…

    If you are so inclined…check out this twitter thread from this music journo I follow. She creates twitter thread where she weaves in facts and performance clips from well known legendary artist.

    Even before the sad news, she did a thread on the Queen of Soul. It’s pretty great…so check it out…you won’t regret it.

    @naima
    Jan 7
    More
    Ok, let’s get into it with The Queen of Soul.
    Aretha’s shade to all other female artists can kinda be justified on paper.
    She’s the most-charted female artist, period.
    18 Grammys.
    75M albums sold.
    First woman in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame…..

    https://twitter.com/naima/status/950139004455931910

    ETA: Really, check out her thread..the clips she finds are GOLDEN!

  146. 146.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @NotMax:
    We’re all doomed to vanish into the either some day. The scary thing about eternity is that eventually even historical figures like Gaius Julius Caesar, George Washington, Adolf Hitler, Rosa Parks, Gandhi, and MLK will be forgotten.

    /existentialist dread. Also too, fuck all the Chris McCandless hagiography.

  147. 147.

    Kay

    Glenn Thrush
    ‏
    Verified account

    @GlennThrush
    Follow Follow @GlennThrush
    More
    President Trump pledged to protect service members and vets.
    At the behest of the bankers, Trump’s consumer chief, Mick Mulvaney, is quietly halting oversight of predatory lenders who prey on soldiers and their families, per internal docs.

    Just a reminder that while Omarosa is fun to sneer at, the respectable Trump hires are much bigger scumbags.

    People will get brutally ripped off and be poor in their old age because of the respectable Trump hires. Omarosa harms only the rich and powerful Trumpsters, they all richly deserve it. She’s fucking Robin Hood compared to the rest of these people.

  148. 148.

    Matt

    Here in Canada I’m hearing some of the stories of Saudi graduate students being forced by their government to leave.

    Some are told the day before that a bus will show up and take them to the US, where a university there has agreed to take them.

    Even those who are paying their own way are leaving, the leverage presumably being the threat to their family back home.

  149. 149.

    Adam L Silverman

    @lamh36: @Kay: Apparently White House staff are very worried she used one of those digital audio recording pens as that wouldn’t set of the sensor system throughout the White House and the Eisenhower Executive Office Building the way a cellphone would. And no one would think twice about someone having a pen with them at all times.

  152. 152.

    debbie

    @Kay:

    It’s his own damn fault. He refused to leave his phone at home and he refused to stop using it in the Oval Office. If not for that, security would have prevented something like this from happening.

  153. 153.

    A Ghost To Most

    @Gin & Tonic:
    It looks like a good way to get a light yet strong shell. I watched the videos the Waterlust guy made. They were very good. His only complaint was it needs insulation for cold weather use.

  154. 154.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Kay:
    Is Discover Student Loans a predatory lender? Because I got a loan with them recently. Fixed rate and I’m paying off the interest. It’s only for two years and only borrowing for tuition.

  157. 157.

    WaterGirl

    @zhena gogolia: Thanks! I went to Netflix to search for it, no go. Looks like it’s on Amazon, which I hate. But for Idris Elba, I might have to get over that.

    I HATE the Netflix starts autoplaying videos now, the second I load their page. Ugh.

  159. 159.

    Kay

    @Platonailedit:

    We could have a photo montage of racist gatherings collected over the last ten years. All these individuals, captured forever for posterity. Remember the lady screaming that Obama had a fake birth certificate at one of those town halls? She had her own in a baggy like it was some kind of magic scroll? Her face all contorted with rage? This has been going on for years. There are hundreds of photographs. These people work and have families- they’re behind you at the check out counter. Just fucking seething – for years.

  164. 164.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Kay:

    She had her own in a baggy like it was some kind of magic scroll?

    I wish I could have been there to grab her birth certificate and light it on fire

  166. 166.

    Kay

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Why are they so worried Adam? Why don’t the Trump hires want anyone to hear what they say in the White House?

    It’s not their personal lives. They’re supposed to be working. WTF are they saying in there on a daily basis that they all freak out when they find out they’re being recorded? You can record most people at work. It won’t end their careers, because they’re working at work, not reciting racist rants or planning criminal activity.

    She wasn’t bugging their bedrooms. How exactly do they behave at work, anyway? I guess we’re going to find out!

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    Gin & Tonic

    @A Ghost To Most: I don’t know about the trailer shell, but the kayaks typically use 3mm and 4mm plywood, so yeah, you definitely don’t have any natural insulation there.

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    WaterGirl

    @Kay: If Omarosa brings Trump down, it will be reminiscent of the National Enquirer breaking the story that brought down John Edwards. x1000

    These are vile people, can’t wait for them all to be shown to be what they are – in some undeniable way.

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    danielx

    Why do I get all these notifications (continuously) about googleapis.com and such down in the lower left corner of the browser screen? No wonder the server has a hard time…..

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    Shell

    Watched the first season of The Good Place on Netflix and enjoyed it very much, thank you. Then was bummed to find the second season wasn’t available yet. Aaaargh!

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    Dan B

    @JoeyJoeJoe: This belief that you must fight proves a lack of awareness of the way the world works. It goes against the principles of organizing and misses the techniques that minorities need to influence society at large. They nearly derailed the WTO demonstrations in Seattle.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Shell: I liked it too, and season 2 is one of the reasons I’m thinking of signing up for Hulu.

    And if you liked The Good Place, you should check out Albert Brooks’ Defending Your Life, I think it was big inspiration to TGP’s creators

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    Martin

    @raven:

    Adherents are mostly socialists, anarchists, and communists who, according to Mark Bray, a historian at Dartmouth College and author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, “reject turning to the police or the state to halt the advance of white supremacy. Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville.”

    Well, my son considered joining an antifa group. He is fully in support of turning to the police or state, but when the state is a bunch of overt white supremacists and the police all too often shoots black people for the sin of existing, it’s hard to argue that conventional approaches are working.

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    Platonailedit

    @Martin:

    A traitorous thug is at the helm with help of foreign powers and complicit racist party is proof enough that the conventional approaches are not working.

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    The Midnight Lurker

    We are eat up with these assholes down here. The problem is, they’re not as easy to spot as these costumed jackasses. Some of them are professional people and business leaders who wouldn’t be caught dead at a Alt-right or KKK rally. But they share the same views and ideals as Kessler, Miller, and Trump. And there’s a shitload of them.
    It keeps me up at night.

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    Mnemosyne

    @Shell:

    Also, too, if you were not aware, there is now an official “Good Place” podcast, hosted by Mark Evan Jackson (he plays Shawn ?). His guests are a really good mix of the actors, writers, and technicians, so you get to hear about costume design and how to do a location shoot in addition to the usual stuff. It’s really good and should be available for free on any podcasting platform. Each episode is 40-60 minutes, so it’s not a huge time commitment.

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    Mathguy

    @Pogonip: Zebra finches are great for a beginner. They are fairly easy to keep. I’ve had fire finches, which are beautiful, but a bit trickier. A of zebra finches will be entertaining, given the proper cage and environment.

  183. 183.

    The Midnight Lurker

    @Kay: I often canvass rich, white neighborhoods. When we were working on the Obama’s second mid-term (God, that seems like a million years ago), I can remember talking to republicans back then. Sure, some of them would yell at you, slam a door in your face, etc. But a lot of them were nice.
    One lady reminded me of Zaza Gabor when she came to the door. She was all decked out, wearing her jewelry at 11:00 in the morning. She listened politely before saying, “Oh, darling! I’m a republican! I would never vote for a democrat. But would you like a lemonade before you go?” I liked her immediately.
    Another elderly republican couple invited me into their home. We had coffee and talked for a hour and a half about the strengths and weaknesses of both the Bush and Obama administrations. They were very intelligent and made some salient points. To my mind, that was the last intelligent conversation I had with republicans.
    That’s all changed. Now, if they come to the door at all, the best you can hope for is clenched teeth and bulging veins before they slam the door. A lot of them start screaming, enraged.
    I’ve been called a pediphile more times than I can count. One lady chased me down the street, yelling, “I bet you eat at Ping Pong Pizza everyday!” I wanted to yell back, “Sure do! I take the bullet train to Maryland through the secret tunnel under the abandoned Wal-mart. One more punch on my card and the next infant is half-off!” But I just ran away instead. What a hero.
    This summer, I’ve had the cops called on me more times than a black man at Starbucks. Usually, the cops are very polite and understand what’s going on, although they often suggest I canvass in another area. One time, a couple of hammerheads jacked me up for almost an hour. They had me put my hands on the black hood of their car in 100 degree heat while they went through every piece of ID I had in my wallet. I’m sure it was a big show for the neighborhood. Good thing they didn’t look in the trunk. That’s where I stash the bones of the infants I feast on when my wife is too lazy to pack me a lunch.
    They’re so enraged. I often feel like I’m somewhere between Invasion of the Body Snatchers and 28 Days Later.
    All this rage… it has to go somewhere.

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    NotMax

    @The Midnight Lurker

    I’ve been called a pediphile more times than I can count.

    Maybe leave the NAMBLA T-shirt at home?

    Although technically, I guess, a pediphile is someone with an especially robust foot fetish.

    :)²

  185. 185.

    The Midnight Lurker

    I always try to wear a suit and tie, you know, dress like a republican. But I’m an ape of a man with a ponytail, so they probably think I’m there to repossess the Mercedes. And yes, mis-spel-chek will be the death of me.

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    Mnemosyne

    @The Midnight Lurker:

    IMO, they’re enraged for the same reason certain family members get enraged when you talk back to Drunk Abusive Daddy at Thanksgiving — your refusal to knuckle under to preserve the peace makes them uncomfortably aware that they’re complicit in letting Drunk Abusive Daddy continue abusing everyone, and they would rather let him continue screaming and hitting than have to admit that there’s something terribly wrong with the family.

    If you’ve ever watched an alcoholic or mentally ill family member’s family continually cover up and make excuses for that person, that’s the mentality here. Admitting that something is wrong means that they’re part of the problem, and they will go to almost any length to avoid having to admit that.

    So that’s where we are: Drunk Daddy Trump is passed out facedown on the turkey platter, and the rest of the family is trying to pass the plates around and pretend that everything’s fine. You are the person at the table who points put that they’re passing around plates full of Drunk Daddy’s vomit, and they don’t want to hear it. Eat your Thanksgiving dinner, or you’re gonna get a whupping, mister!

  187. 187.

    The Midnight Lurker

    @Mnemosyne: I get what you’re saying. But I think this is bigger than Trump. Deeper, darker. Their heads explode. I never mention Trump. I talk about health care, international relations, etc. I try to stay positive and on message. I keep smiling and always thank them for their time. Unless I’m being detained by the police or running down the street for my life.
    It really is like 28 Days Later. It’s like a sickness. A disease.

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    Jay

    @Martin:

    The Anarchist’s ( Black Bloc) are pro violence, all violence,…..

    The Spartacists, Socialists and Communists use violence defensively,….

    SOAR, (Skins) have come a long way. Now they use violence defensively, but back in the day, when the Nazi’s could only organize in Clubs, they used to hunt Nazi’s down in their holes.

    The rest of the Antifia use words, presence, shaming and mocking.

  190. 190.

    The Midnight Lurker

    @Mnemosyne: Ugh! Thanks for the comparison but A.) I’m not worthy of that kind of praise. I’m just trying to get Beto! and a shitload of others elected. And B.) Getting shot is a hot topic down at HQ, but one I dare not breathe a word of at home. My wife and kids want me to quit. I would be lying if I said it hadn’t crossed my mind… every ten minutes.
    But thank you for your concern. It helps.

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    Chetan Murthy

    @The Midnight Lurker: Damn! You’re doing that in Texas Goddamn! Respect, man. Respect. I grew up there, and I couldn’t do that, nosirree. Don’t they send you out in pairs at least? I have a relative who’s canvassing, and she -assured- me they sent ’em out in pairs. Which didn’t reassure me enough, but then, she’s an adult, whatamigonnado?

  192. 192.

    jl

    @The Midnight Lurker: Thanks for telling your story. I phoned for the 2016 election and got the same rage from a lot of older people, and some younger ones. Completely unhinged mindless rage. I am sure my experience over the phone was safer and easier to deal with.

    I haven’t done any work since. I have to travel over 100 miles to get out of deep blue. I can easily imagine it is worse now. Especially bigots who, whether they are willing to admit to themselves or not, have been forced to witness that Obama was a top ten or fifteen president, and their great white hope Trump is a miserable failure.

    I think best thing to do for your peace of mind and safety is to waste as little time on them as possible. ” And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. ” as the Good Book says. Spend time with those who can be saved from mindless hatred, rage and despair.

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    Jay

    @The Midnight Lurker:

    Rage and resentment is all they’ve got left.

    ReThug’s havn’t built anything for Americans since Nixon. All the ReThugs do is tear another piece of America down. Everything nice they have, came from a Democrat, worse yet, an N word President. The Wars can’t be won, life is getting short, nasty and opoided,

    And they swim for hours in a stew of Wingnut hate, racism, desentment, lies and hate for hours and hours everyday.

    It’s all that remains of American Conservatism.

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    Viva BrisVegas

    @NotMax:

    I-90 across Montana, a state which still has entire counties with a population under 1000.

    I’ve driven the I-90 across Montana. I thought it was a bit crowded, towns everywhere.

    If you want lonely, try the Eyre Highway across the Nullarbor or the Stuart Highway across the Centre.

  199. 199.

    sukabi

    @Adam L Silverman: I call Bullshit. Trump and or Kelley had the sensors turned off so The Mad Twatter could bring his unsecured phones with him without setting them off all the fucking time.

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