This:
Reminder: Trump is on his way to WV for one of his Volkssturm rallies and if it isn't completely "I Drink Your Milkshake" insane then I'll eat my hat.
— Ed Burmila (@gin_and_tacos) August 21, 2018
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Reminder: Trump is on his way to WV for one of his Volkssturm rallies and if it isn't completely "I Drink Your Milkshake" insane then I'll eat my hat.
— Ed Burmila (@gin_and_tacos) August 21, 2018
Strap in, Juicers.
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Cheryl Rofer
So you’re there and going to give us a live blog of the action?
lamh36
@Cheryl Rofer: Was just gonna ask John if he was going undercover to give us LIVE blogging of the KKK rally
HeleninEire
Jesus. It’s midnight here and I can’t put my phone down. Gotta be up at 6.
Roger Moore
I believe the technical term is “unhinged”.
Steeplejack
Okay, Daniel Dale (Washington correspondent for the Toronto Star) has anchored his live Twitter thread for Trump’s rally. Recommended!
C-SPAN is carrying it live, if you want video, and Chris Matthews just said that if Trump says anything about Cohen or Manafort they’ll cut to it.
And Matthews is leading off with Omarosa!
In total synchronicity, the last of my tequila and the last of my margarita mix perfectly matched to give me one last drink to celebrate this evening. That never happens!
Mike in NC
Tweety says MSNBC will cut to the hate rally if Fat Bastard does anything of interest, like rant about how innocent his fellow mobsters are. Hopefully he will stroke out on live TV.
Omarosa is also feeling frisky.
Steeplejack
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mike in NC: I’m supposed to get up early tomorrow and do fifty things before lunch, but if that happens I’ll say screw it and run down the block for the most expensive bottle of champagne I can find. I may share it with strangers on the walk back.
NotMax
OT (as an FYI for any interested).
Schlemazel
I have a very large bet on the over for “Iowa Co-ed murder”
Steeplejack
Trump taking the podium to John Denver’s “Take Me Hme, Country Roads.” Blech.
jharp
I’d rather be poked in the eye with a sharp stick than watch Trump’s rally.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Jeez, this should be fun. God help us all…
lamh36
https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1032031891510185985
Kelly
Wind from the Pacific has begun to sweep wildfire smoke out of the Willamette Valley just as Mueller has begun to sweep the pollution out of our Government. May both proceed briskly!
Mary G
God, I tried, but I couldn’t make it. They have signs saying “Trump Digs Coal,” while he lies about seven US Steel plants reopened.
Steeplejack
God, West Virginia Governor Big Jim McBob makes Trump look like a welterweight.
TenguPhule
@Cheryl Rofer:
All evidence to the contrary aside, John Cole is not a masochist.
TenguPhule
@NotMax: So much for Aloha Friday….sigh.
lamh36
Elizabelle
@Mary G: It’s possible that tweet about Jimmy Carter is fake. Doesn’t link to anything, and no other source is reporting anything along those lines. (Tweet re JEC is ill again.) I hope it is not true.
lamh36
WOW
Steeplejack
Trump in full dick mode. As Big Jim
McBobJustice leaves the podium:Mary G
@Elizabelle: Good to hear. I tend to assume things are true when they aren’t.
MisterForkbeard
@lamh36: Oh, well THAT’S going to be interesting. Cohen doesn’t have any reason to stay quiet now..
trollhattan
I’m glad everybody has gone from wrapping paper to gift bags–makes opening all today’s gifts much easier to handle.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Steeplejack:
Oh my god. What must be going through Gov Injustice’s mind right now?
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@MisterForkbeard:
I’m sure Putin will be very interested in making Mr. Cohen stay quiet forever.
Steeplejack
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
I’m sure that fat pig Republican Governor Justice doesn’t like being a fat pig—or having it brought to everyone’s attention by fat pig President Trump. But, hey, lie down with fat pigs, get up greasy with lard.
lamh36
Hmmmm…so this was Omarosa’s video:
JPL
@NotMax: Just stay safe.
Steeplejack
Note for Daniel Dale rookies: when you refresh the rally thread page, all of Dale’s tweets are collected at the top, so you can read them without others’ comments interspersed.
ExpatDanBKK
And I awake, on the other side of the word to this…
ExpatDanBKK
World (can’t edit)
Gelfling 545
I expect that WH staff sent Trump off to his rally tonight with a “do not pardon” reminder pinned to his coat. I hope it works better that their “ do not congratulate “ or “ show empathy” notes did.
Baud
@ExpatDanBKK: Good morning!
chopper
@Roger Moore:
that assumes he was ever hinged in the first place.
Gemina13
This has to be the most surreal day ever. Manager convicted, Cohen pleading guilty, Hunter indicted, and Trump holding another feel-good rally. I’m dying to get back home for chocolate and bourbon. Never thought I’d be too sick to celebrate a Mueller victory, but the smoke in Seattle is killing me.
NotMax
@Steeplejack
Can we maybe tone down the virulent fat hate?
It’s not a moral failure.
khead
It’s Mollie Tibbets, Maxine Waters and NFL protesters from now until November.
debbie
Let me know if he brings up Pelosi. She just issued a statement slapping him right back down:
(From The Guardian)
Mary G
Wow, the Hunter indictment is amazeballs. Matt Pearce has snippets in this tweet thread:
In seven years they incurred $37,761 in in bank fees for overdrafts and insufficient funds. They bought video games on the campaign credit card, then turned around and claimed that the charges were false. Appears the campaign treasurer sang like a bird, kept warning them against doing all of it and being blown off.
Gelfling 545
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I myself am feeling that a wee drop of the creature would not go amiss, as they say.
JPL
@khead: Don’t forget lock her up.
pk
This is very weak sauce. He sounds very dull, unenthusiastic, and boring. But who knows how it sounds to the deplorables.
khead
@debbie:
Pelosi was with Waters. Forgot that. Also, Cuomo.
Steeplejack
Okay, Trump briefly mentions “fake news” and “collusion,” but then he veers back to illegal immigration and MS-13.
debbie
Meanwhile, back at the ranch (via Guardian):
Jay
@Gemina13:
Buy a bunch of HEPA disposable facemasks. Wet they will protect your lungs and nose when outside. Eyedrops will wash the alkaline ash out of your eyes. An inexpensive ionizing air cleaner will clean about 750 sq feet in half an hour.
It’s the new normal, you’ll need it again next summer.
Platonailedit
@debbie:
Come on, Nancy.
geg6
@debbie:
The press conference was amaze balls. Never said his name, but Trump was called out and told they will be coming for him. It was great.
Platonailedit
@Platonailedit:
No more edit button?
is characteristic of the dysfunctional
political system in WashingtonGOP.bluehill
Boy, look at that stage. Idiocracy wasn’t supposed to be a documentary, but then 1984 wasn’t supposed to be non-fiction either, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sukabi
It’s Tuesday evening, got the rest of the week to go, it’s exhausting and I’m going to run out of popcorn. ?????????????
TenguPhule
@Mary G: 1,100 overdrafts in seven years, no less. And he campaigned on “living within your means” for the federal government AKA spending cuts.
SiubhanDuinne
@Gemina13:
What now? Hunter indicted? I’ve obviously managed to miss an important bit of news today.
Off to Google….
The Dangerman
@Cheryl Rofer:
Only if he’s trained one of his dog’s the Nixon trick.
SiubhanDuinne
Testing for edit button.
MisterForkbeard
@SiubhanDuinne: Yep. Basically stole $250k in campaign money for personal use.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
‘
from the gif Marshall posted, this was a big applause line, if true. I wonder how many of the hooting howler monkeys own stock, and of those that do, how many have credit card debt that equals, 25, 50, >100% of the value of their holding. Yes, I am one of your liberal, coastal-in-spirit elitists.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: Keep in mind that Chris Collins and Hunter were two of his earliest supporters.
chris
@JPL: They were the first congress varmints on the trump train.
https://twitter.com/pkcapitol/status/1032031594813501450
Emma
@lamh36: You know, I am gaining a sort of perverse respect for that woman. She plays them all like the fiddle section in the orchestra.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
scrolling through the older threads, I want to repost this
so that when i steal it I can claim to AGTM that I gave proper attribution
khead
I’m just taking random notes.
“We’ve got up 10 trillion dollars since the election”
“One Chevrolet in Berlin” (tariffs)
“$114K Camaro in China” (tariffs)
Mike G
I expect Trump to hold a rally in Nuremberg, PA, just to fuck with everybody.
SiubhanDuinne
@MisterForkbeard:
Woot!
TenguPhule
@MisterForkbeard:
And not just for himself. Another dirty GOP congressman is implicated.
NotMax
Le sigh.
Was going to sneak out to get car inspection out of the way. And discovered the battery is too close to dead for it to start. Hooked up to the charger now, but it’ll be too late to head out once that is done.
(Well, it has been 42 days since last cranked it up to go anyplace.)
Another Scott
@NotMax: Scary.
Be safe.
Fingers crossed.
Cheers,
Scott.
Platonailedit
trumpturds will never change.
A Ghost To Most
@Gemina13:
Pretty bad here in Denver as well.
Meanwhile, the east gets all our rain, and theirs as well.
Platonailedit
Along with the turd’s entire traitorous campaign team.
joel hanes
@Schlemazel:
Iowa Co-ed murder
by an undocumented immigrant. Case already looks pretty airtight;
suspect led investigators to the body.
For Iowa, which was already in the throes of deep anti-Mexican hysteria,
this is the worst possible political news. The Dems hopes of restraining
the Rs after the midterms are probably toast.
I mourn for my home state, once a Yankee-culture place that gave the
nation Tom Harkin in the Senate, and had a liberal and humane Republican
governor named Robert Ray, and a world-class newspaper in
The Des Moines Register. All that is gone now.
MomSense
@pk:
Low energy. Sad!
mad citizen
So was today the end of the beginning and the beginning of the middle?
Watched a minute of Trump–what a word salad. He can’t even get out one single grammatically correct English sentence.
khead
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It was an applause line. I scribbled it down too but messed the quote up (No edit!) This is one for a time capsule.
A Ghost To Most
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Go ahead. I did.
Rustypickup
Lanny Davis, Cohen’s lawyer specifically names Trump (even though the court documents just say a candidate for federal office). He also said Cohen paid off two women. Strong Daniels is one, who is the other?
joel hanes
@lamh36:
Wasn’t Duncan Hunter Sr. the one who was openly offered a bribe on the Senate floor (a job or nomination for his son IIRC) during the Republican’s unprecedented Night Of Shenanigans when they passed Medicare Part D ?
NotMax
@Another Scott
Computer track models beginning to coalesce, however still a few more dangerous zigs and zags in the mix.
L85NJGT
Shut up Donnie. You’re drunk.
A Ghost To Most
Shut the fuck up, Donnie, even though you’re in your element.
JPL
@Platonailedit: I wonder who was next? I’m only asking because I want to know who is going down next.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
when he goes to West Virginia to brag to the 150 hedge fund managers who wrote the tax bill, do those doughty, virtuous racists get that he’s basically mocking them, even if he doesn’t get that?
Yet Brooke Astor never even bothered to answer your invitations, and Van der Luydens were never at home when you called, even that time you saw Louisa through the window
geg6
@JPL:
I want it to be Nunes so bad I can taste it.
Platonailedit
@JPL:
I want it to be trumpturd junior. That scum is neck deep in this. Bonus, it will most likely stroke out the traitorous thug.
chopper
@Mary G:
5 grand a year in NSF fees?! and of course this guy was all talking about how we need a balanced budget and all.
A Ghost To Most
Ha! The Daily Beast is calling this Shitler’s Witching Hours.
joel hanes
@Rustypickup:
Daniels is one, who is the other?
Seems likely to be Karen McDougal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-secret-recording-seized-by-fbi-trump-and-cohen-discuss-making-payments-for-story-of-former-model-who-alleged-affair-with-trump/2018/07/20/767476a8-8c34-11e8-85ae-511bc1146b0b_story.html
Platonailedit
I went to bed knowing that fucking manafort jury was hung up on only one count, only to wake up and find out it was fucking more than half of the counts. How the fuck did that happen?
Also, too, fuck that judge.
Patricia Kayden
@Platonailedit: Don’t know how that happened but hopefully the prosecutor will retry him on those ten counts. I assume the jury couldn’t keep track of all the evidence.
Platonailedit
rikyrah
@HeleninEire:
Go to bed?
Mary G
Mrs. Hunter as Lady MacBeth – in order to justify spending campaign money on the family trip to Italy, Duncan Hunter tried to set up a tour of a naval base. The Navy could only do it one specific day, Duncan said he would discuss it with Mrs. Hunter, then came back and told his chief of staff to tell the Navy to go f*** themselves, and no tour occurred. Also, he wanted to buy Hawaiian shorts on another trip, but had no money, and she told him to buy them at the hotel pro shop and tell the campaign that they were balls for wounded warriors.
TenguPhule
@Platonailedit:
I blame the judge.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Patricia Kayden: one of the MSNBC lawyers just pointed out he wasn’t convicted on any of the counts relating to Rick Gates. The defense successfully dirtied him up, is how I think he put it
they also said the judge is much less likely to be as defense-friendly. I hope Ellis gets some blowback, as I suspect he already has, cause there’s no way that vain old coot doesn’t have some kind of scrapbook and/or folder on his computer of all his press mentions
smintheus
Saw the last 12 minutes of it; seemed to be sticking very closely to script. Almost as if Trump is so desperate now that he’s willing to follow handlers’ instructions.
A Ghost To Most
@Platonailedit:
Eight guilty verdicts across all the crime classes. The others can be retried if needed. This is a WIN!
Quaker in a Basement
@Rustypickup: Karen McDougal, Playboy model
Kathleen
@NotMax: Merciful Heavens! Stay safe, NotMax!
TS (the original)
@pk:
he is telling them a series of lies. Steel plants are opening, the wall is being built, WV has a great economy
People WANT to believe this – so they do. They don’t believe what anyone else says – and this is how trump keeps his ratings at 40%
Yarrow
@Platonailedit: Ted Lieu is the best! Truth is truth!
Platonailedit
@Yarrow: Yup.
smintheus
@Patricia Kayden: The jury asked Ellis to give them a simple list of which of the hundreds of documents related to which of the 18 counts. The judge refused and told them to use their memory. That right there virtually guaranteed Manafort would skate on at least a few of the more convoluted charges.
Platonailedit
@smintheus:
Fuck that ‘judge’.
Yarrow
@Platonailedit: Awesome.
Shell
How does a presidential pardon work? Is it a complete ‘get out of jail card?’ Or does the person have to serve the sentence and then the pardon wipes his record clean.
Sister Golden Bear
It would almost be worth going off the post-surgical pain killers tonight so that I could down a bottle of champagne.
And I need a cigarette….
#MakeAlcatrazGreatAgain
smintheus
@TS (the original): I watched a few minutes with a pair of them, my neighbors. They were swallowing all of it. I asked whether Trump had gotten around yet to the subject of all the people around him getting convicted or indicted.
Being Republicans, they of course immediately changed the subject:
You can’t reason with that kind of perversity, you can just mock it. Which I did.
Frankensteinbeck
@Platonailedit:
Just remember Manafort hasn’t been found innocent on any charges. Any chance of a Trumpist jury clearing him is now gone. He’s screwed. The only question is how bad.
Yarrow
Rick Santorum says Trump’s hires weren’t convicted felons when he hired them so how was Trump supposed to know they were “smarmy characters.”
Mnemosyne
@Platonailedit:
Dude, the counts he did get convicted on will send him to jail for 40 years. And he can be re-tried on the others after his next trial is complete.
Chill.
rikyrah
@Yarrow:
Democrats need to get the attitude of Ted Lieu, Maxine Waters or Senator Mazie from Hawaii.
Barbara
@joel hanes: An actual example of the crime fraud exception to ACP.
Mary G
@smintheus: That seems monumentally bad judging. I’ve been kind of skeptical of the “Judge Ellis is biased” theory, but I’m starting to wonder now.
Gelfling 545
@Sister Golden Bear: Are you home? Are you feeling well or at least better?
TS (the original)
@Mary G: One of the tweet replies
Rep Duncan defense
Schlemazel
@Patricia Kayden:
He is 69, the sentence for the 8 will give him all the time he can handle. He still has to go through this again of a different set of charges in VA. They will get him on some of those also unless he finally decides to cave. After that there are state charges that can be brought that even Dump can’t save him from. Maybe that would be part of his deal.
Not the whole loaf but enough
Platonailedit
@Mnemosyne: Way to miss the point. Thanks for your advice.
bluehill
@TS (the original): Personal responsibility party, doncha know.
catclub
@MisterForkbeard: Cohen evaded taxes on $4M, at a 20% tax rate that is $800k stolen from the federal Government.
Platonailedit
Bill Arnold
I see this in the realDonaldTrump twitter feed:
There are plenty of prior usages, but this one seemed on topic for today:
Closing Argument for the Prosecution in the Trial of Timothy McVeigh (May 29, 1997)
Bold mine. :-)
Baud
Rachel saying prosecutots have to submit their evidence list in the DC Manafort trial tonight.
catclub
@Shell: Ford pardoned Nixon for all crimes before they even considered prosecution.
clay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He doesn’t seem to realize that the people he’s complaining about being elite… they don’t self-identify as ‘elite’. He doesn’t seem to know that ‘elite’ is nothing more than a verbal cudgel that conservatives use to dismiss anyone with actual knowledge and experience in a field. It’s just his old insecurities eating away at him.
Well if he wants to reclaim the word ‘elite’ for himself and his ilk, more power to him. Maybe his dummy followers will all start wearing shirts that say “Proud elitist.”
JR
“I go from a corruptible to an incorruptible Crown, where no disturbance can be, no disturbance in the world.”
smintheus
@Mary G: The request for a list is the simplest of asks. If I had been the jury foreman, I would have sent Ellis a followup note saying
Jeffro
@Sister Golden Bear:
LOVE.
IT.
Roger Moore
@Patricia Kayden:
My guess is there were some jurors who didn’t want to convict on some of the counts because:
1) There was a question about whether Manafort had to report his foreign bank accounts if he didn’t have majority control over them
2) They agreed he had committed bank fraud but didn’t think he did so as part of a conspiracy
3) They didn’t think he was committing bank fraud when the bank president knew he was lying on his application but wanted to grant the loan anyway in the hopes of getting in good with Trump
None of those things seem totally unreasonable to me. I wouldn’t have agreed with the jurors who didn’t want to convict, but I can imagine somebody seeing things that way in good faith.
Baud
Cohen’s birthday is in four days!
The Gray Adder
What I would like to see in 2020 is a Democratic campaign ad featuring a 90+ year old European theater WW II vet describing how he feels about Trump bringing the Third Reich back from the dead.
And then another one captioned “the company you keep” featuring the prosecution team describing the plea deal Cohen took and the crimes he admitted to.
smintheus
@catclub: “Ford pardoned Nixon for
all crimes before they even considered prosecutioneven thinking of nominating his corrupt ass to replace Agnew.”Matt McIrvin
@catclub: Newt Gingrich once proposed that the President could send people out to commit war crimes with pardon already in hand. “Here are your orders, and here’s your pardon,” I believe he phrased it. He thought it was a nifty idea. I don’t think most lawyers think this sounds legit, though.
tybee
@NotMax: will it put out the volcano? ;)
Honus
@NotMax: spend twenty bucks on a maintainer/trickle charger. It’ll save you the cost of a new battery every year.
smintheus
@Jeffro:
#MyAssGotArrested
TenguPhule
@catclub: And he now owes 50% of that to the IRS just in penalties alone.
raven
Where’s Adam? Rachel is moving like molasses on Cohen and Manfort!
rikyrah
@smintheus:
The Government needs to retry him on the mistrial charges.?
L85NJGT
@TS (the original):
US Steel did fired up a blast furnace for as a sop for the idiot, and there were a couple of months where steel manufacturers could middle the tariff market on existing inventory. Now that they have to pay full cost of the tariffs, bye-bye profit margins. The employment situation in WV is really terrible. Less than half of its adult civilians have a job.
clay
@Baud
I would watch a tv show called The ProsecuTots. It’s about a group of three-year-olds who use their legal acumen to convict bad guys. Adorable!
Jeffro
@The Gray Adder: if Trumpov is still in office and running for re-election (both of which I very much doubt) in 2020, the Dem ads could just be strings of prominent GOP officials (labeled as such – not just “Trumpov people”) who have been convicted, pled guilty, etc. It doesn’t take much more than that.
Meanwhile:
– Megan McCardle is using valuable op-ed space to complain about her refrigerator being replaced
– Frank Bruni is using valuable op-ed space pretending like Melania is some sort of #MeToo/#Resist uber-feminist
I am enjoying this life but sometime that meteor seems awwwwwwfully appealing…
Yarrow
@raven: Isn’t that just how Rachel rolls?
Baud
@clay: That typo is copyrighted.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and I imagine there’s a big chunk stolen from the New York state gov too, no? are those state crimes included in today’s plea? Because I imagine that would be a big, pardon-proof sword hanging over his head. And from what I’ve heard/read around these cases, New York state prisons are rather unpleasant.
raven
@L85NJGT: And there aren’t many big forts there either!
Thoughtful David
@Mary G:
And yet the campaign treasurer remained the campaign treasurer. Hope he spends some time in the slammer too go failure to report.
JMG
@joel hanes: Try to relax. The people who’ll be set off by this horrible crime are the people who would be equally set off if it hand’t occurred. The belief among liberals that their side must be perfect and have nothing and ever happen has lost a lot more elections than any murder.
Platonailedit
TS (the original)
@smintheus:
Which is one of the few things that trump understands. He has spent his life “winning” with lies. He does it as president* and the GOP in congress stand by and laugh.
Jeffro
@Platonailedit: Pretty sure it’s called Tribal Alternate Universe, known to be in the irreversible grip of Black Hole F4uX N0i53 Chann31
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: It’s going to trial next month or is it October?
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Next month, last I heard.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@catclub: Nixon was already an un-indicted co-conspirator as charged by the independent counsel.
clay
@Baud: I’ll just take an Executive Producer credit.
ExpatDanBKK
@Baud: Thanks. Certainly better news than the usual “what did that idiotic orange bastard do now” thoughts over coffee and a cigar!
Mary G
Is this normal? Seems like rich white defendants always get to turn themselves in or surrender.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Jeffro:
Here’s a meteor for ya…this is after all a full service blog.
Martin
CA-50 was one of the few races here that was likely-R. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that’s gonna move a bit soon.
Good lord shit got real today. The things you miss when you bury your head in TI8 matches.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Yeah, but who owns the copyright, you or Cole?
p.a.
Anyone burned in effigy yet tonight?
TS (the original)
@L85NJGT:
And this becomes seven steel makers starting up new business? I worked for a steel maker many moons ago – It takes months to fire up a blast furnace (staff used to have to keep them burning if there was a strike on the plant) – so even that move by US steel wouldn’t have generated any usable steel. Did they get the coke ovens running as well?
GregB
It’s not going to be a Red Wave. It’s going to be an Orange Flush.
Martin
@Mary G: The judiciary is not ignorant of or unaffected by the national pulse. I can’t imagine there is much compassion left from judges against Trump and the national GOP. If they’re going to proclaim all facts as being fake and all efforts at accountability being some kind sort of deep state conspiracy, I think they can assume the courtesies are now a thing of the past. Personally, I think we need to start seeing these folks getting frog-marched through the streets before it starts to sink in that this might all be real.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@p.a.: Hillary in a coal fire, but that’s SOP.
Mary G
@Martin: Oh, I am living for the perp walks.
J R in WV
@Platonailedit:
You’ve been talking about pie exclusively in the past, and I undid that. But you are close to being a pie pundit — again.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
At this point, just give it to Alain for services rendered to the blog.
TenguPhule
@Mary G:
Might be a flight risk.
p.a.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Yeah the rethugs really should learn some new songs.
Although Big Brother made do with Emmanuel Goldstein. Conservatives
dislikewet themselves at change.Platonailedit
Sticky logins. Quick loading of the site. Thanks, Alain and M4.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mary G:
Yes. Non-violent, low flight risk defendants are usually treated this way.
Uncle Cosmo
@TenguPhule:
Hold yer horses there, Sparky. How was “Congressman A” supposed to know the source of the $$$ DHJr was throwing around? And even if he did, how could you prove it? Even if Hunter said something like This Musik Hall outing is brought to you by funds I’ve stolen from my re-election campaign – & you could prove that – Congressman A replies, Well yeah, he said that, but I figured it had to be just a bad joke on his part, because we all know that’s illegal!
Mary G
Also, too, Jake Tapper is tweeting the clip from Animal House where the unbelievably young Kevin Bacon is shouting “Remain calm, all is well” as the crowd runs past him in all directions.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: By me. You gotta move fast.
MoxieM
Here’s a question for the lawyers amongst us: with the (obvious to not-lawyers) seemingly excessive criticism of the prosecution lawyers, by the judge in the Manafort case, what happens if they are assigned the same judge for the second trial?
Can the prosecution team do anything to request another judge? Or is it automatic that they get the same “quirky” “brilliant” “eccentric” [interfering] for the second trial? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks
different-church-lady
I’m pretty sure the show runners are just about to revert to the “It was all just a dream” trope.
Emma
@MoxieM: I don’t think the other trial is in the same jurisdiction?
Jeffro
Mods, I can haz moderation between #152 and #153 plz?
Jeffro
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Nice!
I need a trip someplace where I can see the Milky Way at night, stat! These NoVA lights just get in the way of everything…
Another Scott
ICYMI, BooMan at WaMo today:
What’s that saying? Tick Tock? Something like that. ;-)
If that report is true, it’s clear why the Teabaggers and Donnie’s Minions have been so desperate to discredit Steele’s Dossier.
Cheers,
Scott.
Frankensteinbeck
@Emma:
I think MoxieM is referring to the likely possibility of the prosecution trying again on the 10 charges the jury couldn’t agree on.
Miss Bianca
@clay: I was thinking more like tator tots.
Omnes Omnibus
@MoxieM: they get the next judge in the pipeline when and of they refile. That being said, i don’t think the judge was a problem. Federal judges can be like that.
Jeffro
Would just like to remind everyone that Fox opened its 8 o’clock segment with 3 seconds about Manafort, 3 seconds about Cohen, and then over 15 straight minutes about a white college girl who allegedly was killed in the Midwest by an illegal immigrant
Trumpov opened his WV speech with slams on the NFL, carried on endlessly about blessed ICE the saviors of all that is good and true in our country, and went on and on about Cuomo’s “America Was Never Great” comment.
I’m going bat shopping in the morning. Time to stock up!
different-church-lady
@Another Scott:
It may not be midnight, but I do believe that clock just struck an hour.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m a little obsessed with NYS charges, because there’s no promise/threat of pardon, and also with Trump Org/Trump Fndn stuff, because that’s where Junior, Lucrezia and Fredo II get caught up in stuff. Also FL, NJ, CA, NV and IL….
Elizabelle
@Jeffro:
What does that mean?
Schlemazel
“Alex, I’ll take ‘Republican Congressmen from California Whose First Name Begins with D’ for $100.”
“The bigot.”
*bzzzz*
“Who is Doug LaMalfa?”
“Correct.”
“‘Republican Congressmen from California Whose First Name Begins with D’ for $200.”
“The obstructor of justice.”
*bzzzz*
“Who is Devin Nunes?”
“Correct.”
“‘Republican Congressmen from California Whose First Name Begins with D’ for $300.”
“The Russian stooge.”
*bzzzz*
“Who is Dana Rohrabacher?”
“Correct.”
“‘Republican Congressmen from California Whose First Name Begins with D’ for $400.”
“The car thief.”
*bzzzz*
“Who is Darrell Issa?”
“Correct.”
“‘Republican Congressmen from California Whose First Name Begins with D’ for $500.”
“The embezzler.”
*bzzzz*
“Who is Duncan Hunter?”
“Correct.”
tobie
I’ve been wondering today whether Cohen’s plea and Manafort’s conviction would change Simona Mangiante Papadopoulos’ attitude toward the Special Counsel. Judging by this evening’s tweet, I’d say not. She seems to think that George Papadopoulos can still get out of his plea deal with Mueller. What is she aiming for? A pardon from Trump?
Timurid
So the rally was low energy? He didn’t bite the head off a bat or piss into the mic?
NotMax
@different-church-lady
Clocks chiming, you say?
:)
Sister Golden Bear
@Gelfling 545: Got back Friday afternoon, have been a bit wiped out from jet lag, and 24 hours of travel door to door. Also, even with flying business class with the seats that fold down into beds, there was far too much sitting, and that caused some temporary setbacks healing-wise.
But turned the corner today and feeling much better. Taking medical leave until mid-September to heal up more — and hopefully by then I’ll be able to sit most of the day. Thankfully the office just remodeled, so my new desk can be raised to work standing up if need be.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Jeffro: That was about 25 miles west on 101 from Santa Barbara, not out in the wilderness by any stretch.
Mary G
Great gif of Michelle Obama here:
My mood today, though I have no turnip.
Ruckus
@TS (the original):
You know they fired up enough to have some molten to pour, didn’t have to be anything, they weren’t going to use it anyway and dipshit wouldn’t know the difference in any event.
Chyron HR
@tobie:
1) Republicans literally use “liberal” as an epithet, and even if that wasn’t the case
2) OF COURSE YOU CAN BE JUDGED FOR YOUR OPINIONS YOU ASSHOLE!
Gravenstone
@Platonailedit:
This too.
catclub
@Mary G:
Looks like Hunter was much less rich than you thought, and was not able to hire an expensive ( but maybe worth it) lawyer.
A Ghost To Most
@Timurid: He didn’t even pull a G. G. Allen?
catclub
@Schlemazel: Impressive!
Omnes Omnibus
@A Ghost To Most: G.G. Allin, please.
Amir Khalid
@Steeplejack:
John Denver is dead, and can’t embarrass Trump by publicly demanding that Trump stop using his music.
Gelfling 545
@Sister Golden Bear Hope the healing goes well abd quickly.
catclub
@Miss Bianca:
tater. Tator makes me think traitor tots, makes me think of trumps kids 35 years ago.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: @Amir Khalid: Oddly, that song seemed to be the unofficial German national anthem when i lived there in the late ’80s/early ’90s.
MoxieM
@Omnes Omnibus: Thanks. I wonder how much info about the gestalt of the Federal courts jurors get. (Meaning, do jurors know that Federal judges have a lot of latitude to guide the path of the trial, as well as the procedure.) I’ve only served in a State jury pool; we learned nothing, and were herded from here to there by the Sheriff or whomever with no explanation.
NotMax
To all those shouting “Hurry up!” at Mueller over the past year, today’s events demonstrate why meticulous is the better course.
Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that.
Mary G
Gabriel Sherman spilling lots of tea in Vanity Fair. Apparently Don McGahn hates Rudy Giuliani with the heat of a thousand suns, and has taken copious notes of every interaction with Twitler, and refuses to give details to Twitler’s lawyers. Also:
Schlemazel
@catclub:
Had a law class years ago taught by the former County Att. At the time there was a high profile murder trial and the defendant hired a high profile lawyer with a history of winning. One moron in class said “Well you know she is guilty, look sho her lawyer is!”. The Attorney stopped the class and gave a short speech that ended with “If you EVER find yourself in a position where you might lose your freedom you are a fool if you do not get the very best lawyer you can afford. Mortgage your house if you have to but don’t cheap out!”
The high profile guy was Ron Meshbesher, Our prof had been a law school classmate & when he was deposed over some COunty fraud issue Ron was his lawyer. Oddly, Ron became an ambulance chaser with slimey TV ads the last 20 years. He just died a few months back
eemom
@Amir Khalid:
His heirs, or whoever else owns the copyright, sure can.
Schlemazel
@catclub:
It actually came from JMN, he used to be a semi-regular here but now avoids the place. He was put off by people wanting to give Franken the benefit of the doubt. It stressed out friendship a bit too
Elizabelle
We can haz fresh thread?
I’d be good with another photo of Rosie, or Thurston, or any Cole (lucky) pet.
Amir Khalid
@eemom:
Bill Danoff, who wrote the song, is still alive. Someone should suggest that to him.
Emma
@Frankensteinbeck: I don’t think they can be added. I wouldn’t in any case. They can return to those other charges later.
Schlemazel
@MoxieM:
I was on a Federal jury & we were given no information. I didn’t see much difference from my time on district court juries. In many ways jurors learn less about what is going on that anyone else. We would get suttled out & in while everyone else discussed the case (or were they really talking about me behind my back?)
Viva BrisVegas
@Omnes Omnibus:
Also slightly oddly, it was the recurring theme for the 1995 Ghibli film, “Whisper of the Heart”.
Not even Trump can spoil that for me.
Omnes Omnibus
OT: The last time I got a new phone was when I bought an iPhone3 in 2010. On Sunday, it began to go mad. Today, I replaced it with an iPhone SE.* I went from 3G to LTE. Maybe the blog will work decently again on my phone. I lost a couple of apps that i apparently ordered under my ex’s apple id, but I can reclaim them.
*I don’t like giant phones, and I am not an early adopter.
Schlemazel
@Amir Khalid:
Wouldn’t it be awful to learn he was more than OK with it?
L85NJGT
@TS (the original):
It’s all bullshit. They fired up Granite City because they have a take or pay contract with SunCoke thru 2025. Chasing those sunk costs.
Ruckus
@catclub:
Was going to say, Duncan isn’t rich. He thought he was. He spent money like he was. But he wasn’t. Not even close.
Someone mentioned his campaign finance manager telling him he couldn’t do that, I wonder if he’s who turned Duncan in, maybe not wanting to be charged himself.
Barbara
@catclub: These lowlifes charged their WATER bill to the campaign after the county threatened to cut off their service due to nonpayment. He charged his racetrack gambling trips to his campaign. And they paid for a lot of trips for extended family members. At one point, the wife complained to the campaign treasurer that the daily limit on the campaign credit card should be higher than $1000. Oh, the coup de grace: they charged the campaign for their children’s tuition to — wait for it — a private Christian school. They also spent much dinero on “dance competitions” for a family member, likely, Irish dancing for their daughter (based on spending $1000 for many family members to attend a RiverDance performance. The whole indictment is like that, page after page of individual charges to the campaign.
Apparently Mrs. Hunter didn’t realize that the treasurer would look at the statement and that the actual receipts were easily discovered.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ruckus: not rich, but as cheap as a phony billionaire
A Ghost To Most
@Omnes Omnibus: Indeed. Fuck auto-correct. “The Night G.G. Allin Came To Town” by DBT is a gem of a song about him.
Matt McIrvin
@Martin:
There’s a lot from the judges he recently appointed, surely. He’s been packing the judiciary with allies with great speed–it’s the one thing Trump seems serious about doing.
Yarrow
@Barbara: That’s a lot of entitlement right there. They thought they could do whatever they wanted, laws and ethics be damned, and no worries about getting caught.
Gin & Tonic
@Ruckus: I saw in an earlier thread that Duncan Hunter averaged $5k/yr in *bank fees* for overdrafts and bounced checks. That is fucking amazing.
MoxieM
@Schlemazel: heh. yes, exactly.
One time we were held all day in a windowless room–turns out we were the leverage for some dumb kid who had stolen a car. “Look kid, we have a jury ready to go. You don’t really want to go to trial”… etc. a la Law & Order. Of course we, the jury, knew nuthin’, nuthin’ at all.
Yarrow
No kidding to the first point and I’ll bet to the second point. I’m guessing they hope this is as bad as it gets. LOL. Nope. Sorry guys, the time for speaking out against this administration has passed. The treason train has left that station and you’re on it.
Amir Khalid
@Schlemazel:
If that’s true, I don’t think I could listen to Afternoon Delight ever again.
Patricia Kayden
@Yarrow: And Cohen hasn’t even fully run the bus over Trump as yet. They better catch their dang breath.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: Without even clicking, I call curses on your head.
Brickley Paiste
@MoxieM:
I don’t know anything about how that district does things, but my husband was on the ND of California grand jury recently and they all received a 1/2 day orientation by someone trained to do that job before their actual service began answering questions about payment, parking, bathroom breaks, notes, order of evidence at trial, etc. Very thorough. My state court experience on several juries in the SF Bay Area is that it all depends on the judge. Some give patient, thorough explanations of things, others never even address except to order them to do something. No wonder that jury outcomes are so unpredictable.
Yarrow
@Patricia Kayden: They’re going to long for these halcyon days when things really start going downhill for them. Heh. Tick tock. Traitors gonna pay.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
And Ivanka’s asking Jared to ask Abbe Lowell if she can flip without Daddy knowing and keep the place in Aspen
Ruckus
@Gin & Tonic:
It amazes me in that the banks kept his account(s) open. Normally 5K in fees per year would be highly questionable and cause most banks to close the account. Of course he was making the payments with, wait for it, campaign donations, so he didn’t give a shit about the money, the bank was charging him a bundle and he was glad to pay them so they didn’t care.
Yeah, I’m going with fiscal responsibility my ass along with the rest of you.
frosty
@Miss Bianca:
One of our brilliant jackals came up with this name for the TrumpSpawn: Traitor Tots.
Brickley Paiste
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Wow, I thought I had lost my capacity four outrage over the past months of Trump, but goddamn, that is shocking.
I literally caught my breath when I read it, it was so visceral.
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
Hey, from there you’re only a few steps away from the late Small Footwear’s beloved “Dancing in the Moonlight.”
randy khan
@Thoughtful David:
I saw somewhere that it was the treasurer who turned them in. Don’t know if it’s true, though.
LAO
@Omnes Omnibus: In the SDNY and EDNY you keep the same judge for the re-trial. That being said, I agree that Judge Ellis was a typical federal judge, nothing he did was particularly outragous.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Schlemazel:
Who was JMN?
Brickley Paiste
@Ruckus: Are you kidding?
That is how consumer banks make their money. Hell, several of the large ones: B of A, Wells Fargo, Citi, all process the day’s check’s and debits from largest and smallest. That way, if you write $1,000 in checks consisting of one check for $900 and a dozen for five or ten bucks but only have $899 dollars in your account, every single check after the first one will trigger an overdraft charge.
This makes, literally, hundreds of millions of dollars for the big banks every single year.
Omnes Omnibus
@LAO: Thanks. I saw him as a judge, You get what you get.
Ruckus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Come on, that’s too easy. He’s a republican house member, he endorsed shitgibbon early, he’s been stealing from an account where the money is given to him for a particular purpose – which is distinctly and legally not spending it upon himself and family, and you think he gives even a quarter of a shit about anyone but himself? Hell I’d bet he has a card in his wallet that says, One for all and all for me. Of course he’s going to endorse shitgibbon, he’s just like him, with perhaps a $1.95 less to his name.
frosty
@Omnes Omnibus:
I hate to say it after a few Motorolas and LGs, but I like the SE. My main criterion was that my phone has to fit in the watch pocket of my Levis. This one does.
(Yay! Nym stuck finally!)
satby
@NotMax: hunker down and stay safe!
Hope it doesn’t get too bad.
Omnes Omnibus
@frosty: The pocket thing was key,
sukabi
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Cohen better spill fast before Omarosa plays her recording.
Sherparick
@khead: Yep, & Lock Her Up & build that g-d wall. Meanwhile, beneath the Sturm & Drang, the Republican donor class is very happy as they Hoover up the wealth of the country by cutting taxes, environmental regulations, & worker rights.
Ruckus
@randy khan:
Hope you aren’t using my comment because I was just wondering as well. I have no info, but it seemed the treasurer knew there were major problems and if that had been me I’d want to make sure that the Feds didn’t think in any way that I was involved. Of course you couldn’t pay me enough to work for a shithead like duncan.
But also I’d think that if he did turn in good ole duncan, the Feds would have asked him to stay on so they could catch him in the act.
frosty
@Omnes Omnibus: It was tough finding a case that didn’t make it too big, too. I went with a Spigen, forget the model but I think it had “slim” in the name.
sukabi
@catclub: Did they freeze his campaign warchest? Guess he should have picked different crimes.??????
Bill Arnold
@Another Scott:
I suggest re-reading The Dossier. All of it.
catclub
@Mary G:
wow. I thought Giuliani did not get DOJ because he was so bad that Trump refused to name him to it.
catclub
@Ruckus:
Every day that Wilbur Ross does not get indicted for some financial crime is a good day for Wilbur Ross. I hope that jumping into the Trump spotlight works as well for him as it did for Manafort.
cmorenc
@A Ghost To Most:
It’s actually better for credibility of the trial result that the jury did convict on eight counts while not convicting on ten of the counts – because that makes it very hard for Manafort or Trump to credibly claim Manafort did not get a fair jury or that they didn’t carefully examine the evidence or that they somehow got bamboozled by the prosecutors. Likewise, it’s better in retrospect that Judge Ellis came across as harder on the prosecutor team than the defense team.
Notice that the main thrust of GOP / Fox commentators tonight re: Manafort is that this case has nothing to do with Russia, and not that Manafort is an innocent man who’s been railroaded by a kangaroo court. In short, the thrust is to distance Trump from Manafort, not to distance Manafort from wrongdoing.
Mnemosyne
@Schlemazel:
Is that why he vanished? I still think Franken was railroaded, but I could see why JMN might feel differently.
Gemina13
Two new definitions of MAGA that my friends are passing around:
MAGA = “My Attorney Got Arrested” and “My Attorney’s Going Away.”
I offered one: “My Attorney Got Alotatime.” Yeah, I know; but considering most MAGAts’ literacy is in question to begin with . . .
And Duncan Hunter has been indicted, with the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver removing him from his committee posts. Gee, you’d think the guy was on campaign or something. ::evil grin::