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You are here: Home / Politics / America / Vice President Biden’s Eulogy for Senator McCain

Vice President Biden’s Eulogy for Senator McCain

by Adam L Silverman|  August 30, 20181:59 pm| 160 Comments

This post is in: America, Domestic Politics, Election 2018, Election 2020, Events, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Politics, Popular Culture, Silverman on Security

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Here’s the live feed of Senator McCain’s funeral service in Arizona before his body is flown to Washington, DC to lie in state in the Capitol and a second funeral service on Saturday at the National Cathedral and his final, private funeral service and interment on Sunday at the Naval cemetery at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD.

I’ve got the live feed set to start with Vice President Biden’s eulogy, but feel free to go back or forward. Larry Fitzgerald’s eulogy, given just before VP Biden’s, was very, very nice.

Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Immanentize

    August 30, 2018 at 2:05 pm

    to live in state in the Capitol

    I always suspected that guy was a vampire!

  2. 2.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 30, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    @Immanentize: Thanks, good catch, fixed!

  3. 3.

    CarolDuhart2

    August 30, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    Biden’s eulogy is one of the most heartfelt I’ve ever heard. Sounds like a true friend despite all of the political differences they had. They could see each other as people back then-people who could eat together, talk about their lives, challenge each other.

  4. 4.

    HRA

    August 30, 2018 at 2:19 pm

    Sat what you will about John McCain, you have to applaud his power from the coffin to make the idiot go ape crazy on his phone today.

  5. 5.

    Immanentize

    August 30, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    @HRA: It is one of the finest trollings from the grave I have ever seen (or read about!)

  6. 6.

    rikyrah

    August 30, 2018 at 2:22 pm

    Even in Death, John McCain Is Petty AF

    Stephen A. Crockett Jr.
    Today 12:11pm

    Depending on how you view him, Sen. John McCain was either a maverick of the right who was willing to cross party lines to stand up for what he believed or, he was the Arizona senator who voted against making Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday a national holiday.

    But no matter what you think of McCain, I think we can all agree that even in his death, John McCain is petty as fuck.

    On his deathbed, the man literally planned out his funeral and made a list of people who he didn’t want at his homegoing services. Not a guest list; but a list of people who couldn’t come. According to reports, McCain wanted to make sure that President Trump and former running mate Sarah Palin weren’t invited to his funeral.

    “Invitations were not extended” to Palin or Trump, Carla Eudy, a fundraiser whose been friends with the McCain family for decades, told People.

  7. 7.

    Immanentize

    August 30, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    @Immanentize: @HRA:
    I guess maybe Addie Bundren’s troll-from-the-grave in As I Lay Dying is equally vicious, on mark, and complete.

  8. 8.

    Emma

    August 30, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    @HRA: It is quite enjoyable, really. I think I disagreed with McCain over 95% or so of EVERYTHING but golly, one has to admire the way he drove –still drives people nuts. And his grudge collection was state of the art.

  9. 9.

    Mary G

    August 30, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    My cats HATE THE BAGPIPES and want them off NAOW.

  10. 10.

    Fair Economist

    August 30, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Even in Death, John McCain Is Petty AF

    Stephen A. Crockett Jr.

    The whinery is open for business!

  11. 11.

    Immanentize

    August 30, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    @rikyrah: I am not sure that is pettiness, rather McCain might have just been trying to insure the event is not a crass self-promoting shit show altogether.

  12. 12.

    Ian G.

    August 30, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    Considering how much the MAGAts hate black NFL players these days, having one speak when Shitgibbon wasn’t invited is a nice subtle “fuck you” to Trump and his disciples.

  13. 13.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    @rikyrah: I gotta lotta beefs with McCain, as I mini-ranted in the thread below. This is most emphatically not one of them.

  14. 14.

    zhena gogolia

    August 30, 2018 at 2:28 pm

    @Immanentize:

    It makes Carrie look like a piker.

  15. 15.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    @Immanentize:

    I am not sure that is pettiness, rather McCain might have just been trying to insure the event is not a crass self-promoting shit show altogether.

    McCain methodically planned out seven days of spectacle all dedicated to himself and his ego. This is an epic troll and of course he is petty AF.

  16. 16.

    Paul W.

    August 30, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    Trump just announced he is canceling a planned pay increase for federal workers, I have no doubt he is trying to squash all McCain eulogy stories out of the news.

  17. 17.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    @Paul W.: Not that any of it has to make sense, because Trump, but how does this square with the repeated protestations at how our economy is booming gangbuster orgy-time like never before?

  18. 18.

    Fair Economist

    August 30, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    @Corner Stone: Treating Trump and Putin as he has is not petty, because they are very serious threats to America and decent people everywhere. Excluding Palin is arguably petty given that she’s just a mid-grade grifter these days but maybe he wanted to make sure she stayed that and that might not be petty.

  19. 19.

    Mary G

    August 30, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    @Immanentize: You are kinder than I am. To me, it’s a massive grudge fest. Also major self-promoting. And I like it, because I know Twitler is stewing in his own juices because “it’s not fair to MEEEEEEEEEE!”

  20. 20.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    @Corner Stone: McCain methodically planned out seven days of spectacle all dedicated to himself and his ego.

    Good point. I’m trying to remember if they dragged even Reagan’s out this long. I doubt it was longer.

    This is an epic troll and of course he is petty AF.

    She campaigned, repeatedly, with the man who mocked his captivity. I’d say she burned that bridge.

  21. 21.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 30, 2018 at 2:36 pm

    @Corner Stone: We have already have had 5 or more threads over here. I don’t have cable but I am sure that tire swingers are outdoing themselves eulogizing him.

  22. 22.

    shelley

    August 30, 2018 at 2:36 pm

    @rikyrah: Can you blame him?

  23. 23.

    jl

    August 30, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    @Fair Economist: The Palin we’ve seen since her VP nomination is not quite the politician she was when McCain nominated her. At the time of her nomination, her cred was a moderate GOPer of Alaska who was very popular due to a progressive tax cut.

    She was still a lousy and irresponsible choice. Proper vetting would have revealed serious problems with a VP nomination. McCain is responsible for that decision. But the difference between what she presented herself to be, and what she turned out to be, is egregious and dishonest enough to merit McCain’s decision, think.

  24. 24.

    jl

    August 30, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    @jl: Oh Lord, what is wrong with me, now that edit is gone. I am losing it. I meant to type ‘progressive tax INCREASE on AK oil industry”.

  25. 25.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 30, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    To me he will always remain the man who chose Palin as VP. His death doesn’t change that.

  26. 26.

    Nelle

    August 30, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    My husband, who wanted to be a Navy pilot, was instead, at the Academy, chosen as a Rickover boy and was thrust into the nuclear submarine world. He groused about how McCain, at the bottom of his class, got to fly the planes. He held McCain responsible for the destruction of five planes, saying he could be considered an ace for the enemy. McCain was hotdogging and going beyond orders when he was shot down. (My husband did 3 years in the subs, followed by 3 years of Vietnam…yay for stop loss orders.)
    However, I don’t think it was petty to have a funeral that kept out supreme spotlight huggers. His speakers were named Espinosa and Garcia. And an African American. And a Navajo musician. That was a deliberate homage to the diversity of Arizona and a big FU to the orange stain in the WH.
    When you watch, know all those in suits and uniforms are hot. My daughter is a freelancer, there, with the FTFNYT. She ended up in the hospital last night on IVs after a strong heat reaction. But back at funeral today. She lives in Phoenix…knows how to deal with heat. Don’t know what happened.

  27. 27.

    jl

    August 30, 2018 at 2:45 pm

    For the Annals of Ridiculous Arguments (which is growing rapidly these days)

    The American Conservative
    @amconmag
    There are people with far, far more offensive racial views than Donald Trump or Tucker Carlson. If Trump and Tucker are “racists,” then what do you call those other people?
    https://twitter.com/amconmag/status/1035230671256444928
    (found via Josh Marshall’s twitter)

    I’ll make a wild guess that ‘racists’ is the right answer.

  28. 28.

    The Moar You Know

    August 30, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    But no matter what you think of McCain, I think we can all agree that even in his death, John McCain is petty as fuck.

    On his deathbed, the man literally planned out his funeral and made a list of people who he didn’t want at his homegoing services. Not a guest list; but a list of people who couldn’t come. According to reports, McCain wanted to make sure that President Trump and former running mate Sarah Palin weren’t invited to his funeral.

    “Invitations were not extended” to Palin or Trump, Carla Eudy, a fundraiser whose been friends with the McCain family for decades, told People.

    @rikyrah: Don’t agree at all. My wife and I, when doing our trust a couple of years ago (we just hit the big 5-0) outlined a basic plan for our funerals and disposition of remains, and, because we were both raised by malignant narcissists, HAD to include specific instructions as to who was absolutely not allowed to come. And that’s to be backed up by hired, armed security guards, because the nutjobs (both of our mothers if you must know) are not above carrying weapons and demanding that the event be all about them even if someone has to get shot.

    Trump would have done the same fucking thing. This is a day for McCain. Trump can gibber from outside if he must – and he must – but he can’t be allowed to be there. And I totally get that. Same with that lunatic attention whore Palin.

  29. 29.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 30, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    @Ian G.:

    Considering how much the MAGAts hate black NFL playersObama these days, having onehim speak when Shitgibbon wasn’t invited is a nice subtle “fuck you” to Trump and his disciples.

    This works too!

  30. 30.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: It’s awful. The sad realization is that even next week will not be far enough away from the events to get cable news to stop talking about him at the top and bottom of every hour. And dog forbid Trump do something nasty to extend the fainting couch sessions for a few more days after that. I’ve just fucking had it with John McCain.

  31. 31.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    This is a day for McCain.

    My God, I wish it was “a” day for McCain.

  32. 32.

    CarolDuhart2

    August 30, 2018 at 2:51 pm

    Given what happens when Trump is around, I can’t blame McCain for not wanting him there. Trump at his best acts like he was raised in a barn-figeting, ignoring people, saying rude things, coming in late. Not to mention possible protests with Trump’s presence. Palin might have behaved, but she might have brought one of her trashing, illmannered kids that don’t know to act. It’s worth noticing that nobody has raised objections to Trump not being there.

  33. 33.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2018 at 2:52 pm

    @CarolDuhart2: AFAIK, Trump’s deplorable base hates John McCain.

  34. 34.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 30, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    @jl:

    Oh Lord, what is wrong with me

    Hmmm, where should I start…

  35. 35.

    sukabi

    August 30, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    @rikyrah: Petty? Probably, but as he was able to plan his own funeral, and had good reason to not include certain embarrassments it’s his right.

    When Palin & Drumpf shed their skins they can invite or not whomever they choose.

  36. 36.

    jl

    August 30, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Is that you, Lord? BillingGlendale has some exsplaining to do.

  37. 37.

    zhena gogolia

    August 30, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Since I never watch TV except TCM and PBS mysteries and Poldark, I’m LOVING hearing that they keep going on about him. It must be driving Twitler so crazy! Love it!

  38. 38.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 30, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    I don’t begrudge McCain his funeral arrangement. Who in their right mind would want T and P at their funerals. It would have been worth more if had done more of that shunning when he was alive. How many T judges did McCain vote to confirm?

  39. 39.

    zhena gogolia

    August 30, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    You’d probably like Anthony Horowitz’s great mystery The Word Is Murder, which begins with a woman planning her own funeral.

  40. 40.

    CarolDuhart2

    August 30, 2018 at 2:57 pm

    @Corner Stone: Sure, they do. But funerals are times where protocol takes over, and a sitting President coming to a Senator’s funeral is almost expected, especially one as long-serving as McCain. Not to mention his former running mate. In the absence of any notice, either might have come out of a sense of duty, or at least talked into making some appearance. So they had to make it explicit-neither would have taken the hint or asked otherwise.

  41. 41.

    The Moar You Know

    August 30, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    My God, I wish it was “a” day for McCain.

    @Corner Stone: I get that. However, I’m more than OK with the seven days of national flagellation, sackcloth and ashes in this case because every day of it grinds the president like a cheesegrater on the back of his combed-over, deformed head.

    Guarantee you when the current president kicks he won’t get seven days of anything save for a national celebration of his death.

  42. 42.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 30, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    @jl: How do you think I take pictures of the soul jl?

  43. 43.

    HeleninEire

    August 30, 2018 at 3:01 pm

    OT kinda. I love this blog. Love, love, love it. I never complain about whatever the hell everyone complains about. Like nyms not sticking or the ads. This blog is free. I will shut up about the ads and the nyms. Cuz it’s free.

    But please can we have something that says a new post is up? I keep commenting on an old post. And only when the comments get slow do I realize that I am an hour late to the next post.

    And I say this as someone who is 5 hours ahead of you all. Aren’t you sad that my brilliant commentary doesn’t get read?

  44. 44.

    Gemina13

    August 30, 2018 at 3:01 pm

    I disliked McCain intensely, but I will give him mad credit for being 2018’s Troll of the Year.

    But Biden’s eulogy has undone me. You can tell he loved the man despite their differences, the main one being that McCain was an irredeemable asshole. Anyone want to bet that the whole church will be sobbing when Obama delivers Joe’s eulogy? Including Obama.

  45. 45.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    Andrea Mitchell
    ‏Verified account @mitchellreports
    2h2 hours ago

    .@BeschlossDC: Everything we see and hear today and in the next couple of days will be very much of his own choosing. Almost everything they say is John McCain from the grave trying to send a message. #AMR

  46. 46.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 30, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    Everybody is focusing on the slights directed at Trump and Palin, but McCain also asked Vladimir Kara-Murza to be a pallbearer – a guy who was poisoned by Putin not once, but twice, and lived to tell about it.

  47. 47.

    efgoldman

    August 30, 2018 at 3:05 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Trump’s deplorable base hates John McCain.

    Fuckem

  48. 48.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 30, 2018 at 3:05 pm

    @HeleninEire: Don’t ask a question if you don’t want to hear the answer.

  49. 49.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    @Gemina13:

    Anyone want to bet that the whole church will be sobbing when Obama delivers Joe’s eulogy? Including Obama.

    I already know I’ll be sobbing like my best friend died and I hated McCain.

  50. 50.

    HeleninEire

    August 30, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: You don’t scare me. Stop thinking you do. ;)

  51. 51.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    @HeleninEire: Don’t you see the little arrow on the right side of the page?

  52. 52.

    efgoldman

    August 30, 2018 at 3:09 pm

    @CarolDuhart2:

    either might have come out of a sense of duty

    Weasel Face? C’maaan.
    His only sense of duty his to his id.

  53. 53.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 3:11 pm

    @efgoldman: Trump’s deplorable base hates John McCain.

    Fuckem

    I’m praying they all write in Arpaio to spite the old man in November.

  54. 54.

    HeleninEire

    August 30, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    @debit: It’s not on my phone. On my laptop, but I rarely use it.

  55. 55.

    CarolDuhart2

    August 30, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    But somebody might have told him it looks bad, or he might have wanted to drop in in order to not be upstaged. If Aretha was white, he might have tried for a trip up to Michigan. It’s all about appearance to him and attention.

  56. 56.

    The Moar You Know

    August 30, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    Trump’s deplorable base hates John McCain.

    @Corner Stone: They do. I’ve had one of them in my office explaining to me how he was a traitor his entire life.

    Fine by me. Love watching Republicans shoot each other.

  57. 57.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    @HeleninEire: Weird! I see it on my iPhone. Kudos to you, I can’t deal with the mobile site and only use it to skim when I have no other option.

  58. 58.

    eemom

    August 30, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    Um, if McCain had gotten his way, and if he’d died sooner than he did, fucking President Palin would most definitely have been at his funeral.

    The hagiographers continue to amaze me.

  59. 59.

    eemom

    August 30, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Is the grandbaby here?

  60. 60.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 30, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    @HeleninEire: You could write to Bess, and find out what tool s/he uses to be notified any time somebody mentions the name of a guy who builds rockets and electric cars, It seems to work very quickly, so maybe you could modify it to page you when there’s a new FP post.

  61. 61.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Burn!

  62. 62.

    Leto

    August 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    @HeleninEire: If you’re 5 hours ahead, that means you know before us when the new posts are up. What’s the world like at 8:31pm? Is Trump still president? Are cat videos still a thing? Has John figured out how to not mop naked? /s

  63. 63.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    You’ll be shocked, shocked to learn the NCAA continues to Be Best at ensuring college athletics remains a money-making monopoly above all else. What’s a little multi-decade sexual abuse scandal among fri…business partners?

    This week the NCAA informed Michigan State in a letter that it had concluded its investigation into how the athletic department handled Larry Nassar’s abuse of student-athletes, and how the school handled allegations of assault against members of the basketball and football teams. Their decision: Cleared on all counts. No rules were broken, nothing to see here, move it along.

    If you were expecting action from the NCAA in these matters, then you don’t know the NCAA. Over the last few years, the NCAA has failed to adequately sanction institutions that have engaged in academic fraud—UNC-Chapel Hill creating fake classes for athletes so that they would maintain their eligibility—or child sex abuse. Though it initially sanctioned Penn State in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky, those punishments were eventually reduced.

  64. 64.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Do you remember the Musk cologne scandals of the ’80s? Boy, those were awful times, smelling that dreck while learning about Nikola Tesla in physics while listening to Tesla on your Walkman. Horrid stuff, that Musk. Did you know Tesla’s original band name was City Kid? It’s true!

  65. 65.

    A Ghost To Most

    August 30, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    @Fair Economist:
    I agree, mostly. McCain was being kind to the attendees in that relentless heat: he was throwing shade.

    I still wish the bagpiper had broken into “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”.

  66. 66.

    WhatsMyNym

    August 30, 2018 at 3:30 pm

    @eemom:

    fucking President Palin would most definitely have been at his funeral.

    It’s make me wonder if some candidates put any thought into picking their VP ahead of time. Come on Palin as VP? Even with my brain tumor I know that was stupid.

  67. 67.

    Ohio Mom

    August 30, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    @HeleninEire: I hear ya. I go through the same thing on occasion.

    On Atrios’s threads, commentators say “sheets” when a thread has been superseded by a newer one (at least that’s what I remember, haven’t looked at a thread there in quite some time).

    Could we here cultivate a similar public-spirited tradition? I dunno. It may be that we don’t call ourselves jackals for nothing.

  68. 68.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 30, 2018 at 3:35 pm

    @trollhattan: Now you’ve done it.

  69. 69.

    HeleninEire

    August 30, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    @Leto: I know you are snarking. That was snark on my part too. Also, too John Cole is STILL mopping naked. Cuz he like it.

  70. 70.

    satby

    August 30, 2018 at 3:37 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Since I never watch TV except TCM and PBS mysteries and Poldark,

    twinnie!

  71. 71.

    The Moar You Know

    August 30, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    Do you remember the Musk cologne scandals of the ’80s? Boy, those were awful times, smelling that dreck while learning about Nikola Tesla in physics while listening to Tesla on your Walkman. Horrid stuff, that Musk. Did you know Tesla’s original band name was City Kid? It’s true!

    @trollhattan: Won’t work. Bess got the banhammer from Adam. It was pretty awesome.

  72. 72.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    @satby: How is Dervish of a thousand names?

  73. 73.

    sukabi

    August 30, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    @Ohio Mom: sheets is still a thing over there.

  74. 74.

    satby

    August 30, 2018 at 3:40 pm

    @efgoldman: always miss you in threads, but saw below that the grandson had arrived early and healthy. Congratulations!

  75. 75.

    Nicole

    August 30, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    The only message from beyond the grave I’d be interested in hearing from McCain would be, “Vote Democratic in November.”

    Seeing as how he refused to resign (so that a special election could be held) and now the AZ gov gets to appoint his (GOP) successor, eff his petty trolling. The man sold out the nation so his family could get a tax cut on beer sales.

  76. 76.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 30, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Certainly. I was at Elon College at the time.

  77. 77.

    Ohio Mom

    August 30, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    @WhatsMyNym: Are you kidding about the brain tumor, I hope?

    The story I’ve heard is that McCain had his heart set on Lieberman as his running mate but aides nixed that (why I don’t remember). For lack of any other idea, Bill Kristol’s brainstorm that Palin was perfect for the slot won out.

    I don’t follow this sort of thing very closely but it seems to me that McCain is the only nominee I’ve ever heard of that chose his running mate so causally. Take that as reflecting on McCain anyway you’d like.

  78. 78.

    HeleninEire

    August 30, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: LOL.

  79. 79.

    piratedan

    August 30, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    well… since its Johnny Maverick’s funeral and it’s likely to be the last time that anyone actually bothers to give a shit about him (harsh, but most of what I will remember is the amount of damage he could have prevented by refusing to give McConnell the freedom to loot the Republic), I have no quarrel with his family deciding with him who should be in attendance and in what capacity. McCain always struck me that once you met him as a person, he would see you as a person, groups would be on their own… and if he would like his funeral to mostly be about his failings and his accomplishments, then I guess that’s alright by me. the fact that we have a sociopath in the Oval Office who is still generating attention by his pouting about not even being able to fuck up a political opponents funeral says way too much about the current state of our politics.

  80. 80.

    gene108

    August 30, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    Sort of ironic that Democrats and liberals are more sympathetic and respectful about McCain’s passing than right-wingers, who are slamming him in various ways, from saying it was a suicide to calling him a traitor.

  81. 81.

    Ohio Mom

    August 30, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    @sukabi: Thanks. I still enjoy Atrios, and visit Eschaton just about every day, but I don’t wade into the comment threads there anymore. Because I spend too much time here, mostly.

  82. 82.

    suffragettecity

    August 30, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    I think a major troll on his part was having “My Way” by Sinatra at the conclusion.

  83. 83.

    satby

    August 30, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    @debit: He’s a handful! And he always pays attention when I sternly say “Dervish Casper Tunch the first, get DOWN!”
    He goes to the main rescue house this weekend because he is lonely for other playmates. I’m going to miss the little bugger, but he and I will get too bonded if I don’t move him, and a forever home of his own is much fairer for him.

  84. 84.

    Gelfling 545

    August 30, 2018 at 3:47 pm

    @rikyrah: I feel reasonably sure that Mc Cain’s family hate both those people and have reason to. It was thoughtful of him to prevent them from having their mourning intruded upon by raving narcissists.

  85. 85.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I think they wanted to make sure his VP pick would turn out the base. Lieberman was many things, but the only people who would be energized by him would be democrats who wanted to see him cry loser tears.

  86. 86.

    satby

    August 30, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    @piratedan: how’s your pup today?

  87. 87.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 30, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    @HeleninEire: Yes, this is true; but the enduring question is: where is the mustard?

  88. 88.

    janesays

    August 30, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: In fairness, he didn’t really choose Sarah Palin. He wanted Lieberman to be his running mate. Palin was Steve Schmidt’s recommendation. That said, McCain does still bear the ultimate responsibility for going along with it, because he did have the power to veto the suggestion, and he chose not to do so.

  89. 89.

    HeleninEire

    August 30, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: When I am my death bed I will ask “Where us the mustard?”

  90. 90.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    @satby: Sad, but yeah, better for him in the long run. Kittens need other kittens to play with. Give him a smooch from me, right on his sweet little head, please.

  91. 91.

    Ohio Mom

    August 30, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    @debit: I never understood Lieberman’s appeal to anyone but right-wing Jews. I mean, I certainly don’t like Trump but I can imagine why a yahoo might. But Leiberman? There is no there there.

  92. 92.

    piratedan

    August 30, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    @satby: he’s doing pretty well, swelling is actually reduced (we thought it would linger more) and the bite wound itself is looking alright, hoping we won’t have to deal with any necrosis but its still early to consider that hurdle as cleared. He’s eating the soft foods with vigor but the pain meds are keeping him a bit on the “tame” side which is abnormal for him but probably what he needs to heal…

    tyvm for asking! I’d post a pic but I don’t have any on a website other than facebook…

  93. 93.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I think he appealed to the small group of people who had an unhealthy attraction to Droopy Dog as children.

    In all seriousness, I wonder if he ever knew how much he was just hated all across the country? When he lost his primary and ran as an independent, I went on a trip to Chicago with a bunch of strangers also from Minnesota. There was a news announcement about polling (he was down) and the entire car cheered, then all looked at one another in surprise.

  94. 94.

    Ohio Mom

    August 30, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    Any minute now, my best fellow-autism mom friend ever, will be ringing the doorbell. She broke my heart by moving away but is back in Cincinnati this weekend for a wedding. She just texted to tell me she’s almost here.

    Catch you later…

  95. 95.

    satby

    August 30, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    @debit: I will. He’s learned to love kisses on his nose.

    @piratedan: I’m so glad to hear that!

  96. 96.

    satby

    August 30, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    Shit, a plane just went so low over the house I expect to hear a crash soon. Hope not, but wow.

  97. 97.

    pamelabrown53

    August 30, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    @eemom: @58.
    FU. , with a rusty chainsaw, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemon.. As a mostly lurker I just gotta say that you have been a toxic waste dump for awhile. It’s not like you have 0 points to make, it;s just that you make them with hate and cynicism. I believe that hate and cynicism equals nihilism. Very dangerous to our individual psyches and our collective futures.

    If a crisis is precipitating these negative proclamations, then I hope we can help and support you.

  98. 98.

    janesays

    August 30, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    @eemom: I have a weird feeling that if McCain had won in 2008, he would have wound up choosing a different running mate in 2012. She desperately wanted to give her own concession speech on election night, and he pretty much told her to fuck right off (but probably not in those words).

    Anywho, I’m extremely glad we never got to find out.

  99. 99.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    @Ohio Mom: the pro-lifers, who never trusted McCain in spite of that being one of the very few issues he was ever consistent on, threatened to bolt on McCain if he picked Lieberman. It’s always kind of amused me, they trusted Willard to stay bought, so to speak, on that issue, jumped aboard the Steve Forbes train when he was pretty loudly transactional about his flip-flop from 96 to 2000, never trusted Dole or McCain. Probably because in spite of their records their ironic, sarcastic senses of humor were off-putting to the righteous

  100. 100.

    Gelfling 545

    August 30, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    @janesays: From what I’ve heard of him, probably in just those words. Seems he had the vocabulary traditionally ascribed to sailors.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    since all threads are open threads….

    Erik Loomis @ ErikLoomis
    All the focus on replacing Pelosi, who is actually good at her job, is deeply mistaken. We should focusing on replacing Schumer, who is bad at his job.

    I don’t know who to replace him with. His competition for the job was Durbin, who strikes me as a stand-up guy but no knife-fighter, which I thought Schumer would be

  102. 102.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    @Gelfling 545: well, we know how he talked to his wife…

  103. 103.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Hold on, if this is about the agreement to let a bunch of appointments through, I read that some of them were Obama appointments. If McConnell had his tit in a wringer and said those ones don’t get through unless the ones do as well, what’s he supposed to do?

  104. 104.

    efgoldman

    August 30, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I don’t know who to replace him with.

    Why? As McTurtle has set up the senate, the minority leader has no power. What can Scchumer do differently?
    Personal animus =/= effectiveness.

  105. 105.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    @debit: Adding, some of them had been waiting three years. I really wish Rachel had researched that last night instead of being dismissive and bitchy about it.

  106. 106.

    randy khan

    August 30, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Mitchell is completely right.

  107. 107.

    eemom

    August 30, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    @pamelabrown53:

    back atcha sweetie. Stick with lurking; it’s what you do best.

    If a crisis is precipitating these negative proclamations, then I hope we can help and support you.

    Aw thanks! I totally crave support from people who call me call me a toxic waste dump.

  108. 108.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 30, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    @Gelfling 545: While he was an officer, I’m sure the Chiefs taught him Navy lingo quite well.

  109. 109.

    George

    August 30, 2018 at 4:20 pm

    Jesus, some of you people.

    Yeah, I understand how John McCain’s mere presence on the planet was a great insult to you.

    Your pettiness about McCain may give you some bent sense of street cred in your own minds, but it makes you sound like a bunch of (1) halfwits and/or (2) trumpist trolls.

    Try to focus on the golden ticket he left us–the one that includes snubbing a sitting GOP president as well as his former running mate in 2008; the one that includes pallbearers such as Biden, Gary Hart, Russ Feingold, Sheldon Whitehouse, Warren Beatty (!!!), and some dude who is a Russian dissident; the one that includes having Barack Obama deliver a eulogy.

    Try to focus on the common ground and themes that he laid out in his final statement. What he wrote is not terribly unlike something Obama or Clinton might have written. However, it is diametrically opposed to anything a rightwinger could write in a million years.

    Get over yourselves. Use the opportunity we have as one more tool against the GOP.

  110. 110.

    Doug R

    August 30, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    @HeleninEire: Generally I find if I have two comments in a row, there’s a new thread.
    When the desktop site is working right, our fearless leader generally tweets when a new thread appears.

  111. 111.

    janesays

    August 30, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    @debit: political appointments expire when a president leaves office. All 15 of the judges that got fast tracked yesterday were McGahn’s Trump’s rightwing nutjob picks. There was no justifiable reason for it to happen. It’s true that all of them would probably have wound up getting on eventually, but Schumer should have dragged out the procedural process for as long as possible.

  112. 112.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    @debit: Yeah, I guess it is more complicated than it appears, and I’m usually skeptical of the “if Democrats would just fight!” screamers on the internet. Chris Coons, I think it was, made the case yesterday on MSNBC. Also, the whole idea that “we” can stop this mass appointment depends on, IIRC, the Senate parliamentarian agreeing to the rules about a quorum as people like Adam Jentleson see them.

    It was mostly the contrast with all the whining about Pelosi that jumped out at me.

  113. 113.

    rikyrah

    August 30, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    National Enquirer Had Decades of Trump Dirt. He Wanted to Buy It All.
    By Jim Rutenberg and Maggie Haberman
    Aug. 30, 2018

    Federal investigators have provided ample evidence that President Trump was involved in deals to pay two women to keep them from speaking publicly before the 2016 election about affairs that they said they had with him.

    But it turns out that Mr. Trump wanted to go even further.

    He and his lawyer at the time, Michael D. Cohen, devised a plan to buy up all the dirt on Mr. Trump that the National Enquirer and its parent company had collected on him, dating back to the 1980s, according to several of Mr. Trump’s associates.

    The existence of the plan, which was never finalized, has not been reported before. But it was strongly hinted at in a recording that Mr. Cohen’s lawyer released last month of a conversation about payoffs that Mr. Cohen had with Mr. Trump.

  114. 114.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:24 pm

    @George: What bug crawled up your shorts? A couple people said they were sick of him being treated like a saint when in reality he was a deeply flawed person who actually hurt a lot of people, maybe just as many as he helped. JFC, get a grip.

  115. 115.

    eemom

    August 30, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @piratedan:

    since its Johnny Maverick’s funeral and it’s likely to be the last time that anyone actually bothers to give a shit about him (harsh, but most of what I will remember is the amount of damage he could have prevented by refusing to give McConnell the freedom to loot the Republic)

    Now THAT is the kind of tribute I can get on board with.

  116. 116.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 30, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    @George: “Some dude” is named Vladimir Kara-Murza. It would have taken you less time to Google him than it took you to type out your comment. He’s quite a bit more than “some dude.”

  117. 117.

    Another Scott

    August 30, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Last I saw, Bess wasn’t banned by Adam, but Adam made it clear he would be if he didn’t stop his antics.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  118. 118.

    randy khan

    August 30, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Why? As McTurtle has set up the senate, the minority leader has no power. What can Schumer do differently?

    The argument is that, within the rules, there are a lot of ways to slow things down. Just one example: Require individual votes on every judge, rather than bundling them. Schumer apparently has gone along with bundled votes.

  119. 119.

    Lapassionara

    August 30, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @HeleninEire: if you follow John Cole on Twitter, you will see notices of new posts. And, yes, I know how awful Twitter is.

  120. 120.

    janesays

    August 30, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    OK, I stand corrected… at least partially. Judicial nominations do expire when a president leaves office, so all of the nominees getting through are Trump appointments, but some of them are people who Obama had previously nominated but whose nominations were held up by the obstructionist turtle brigade.

  121. 121.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    @janesays: I assume that he had a reason we are unaware of and made the best deal he could. I can’t think of any reason why he would shoot himself in the foot and give away the store just for chuckles or laziness. I also assume that we will find out in the fullness of time, but until then, yes, by all means go ahead and needlessly wound him.

  122. 122.

    A Ghost To Most

    August 30, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    New documentary featuring McCain warning about Russians, and pointing at RNC platform change in particular

  123. 123.

    Emma

    August 30, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    @George: Thank you. We often miss the opportunity because we’re to occupied with being righteous.

  124. 124.

    rikyrah

    August 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    They know this. They KNOW what their father did for them.

    Black Excellence Is Not Crazy: Viral Video Shows Richard Williams Creating Black Superheroes

    Stephen A. Crockett Jr.
    Today 12:54pm

    …………………

    The mortal shoos the father away, explaining that Williams can’t keep interrupting. Williams then walks onto the set to get his point across the way that only a black dad can.

    “You’ve got to understand that you’re dealing with [the] image of a 14-year-old child. And this child is gonna be out there playing when your old ass and me are gonna be in the grave,” Richard proclaims.

    “When she say something, we done told you what’s happening,” he continued. “You’re dealing with a little black kid and let her be a kid.”

    What’s even more telling is the sly smile that comes across Venus’ face. It’s a moment that every black person raising a superhero needs to see.

    Venus knows that her father will protect her at all costs. She knows that the man who’s been with her since birth, coaching her to believe in what even she can’t see, is not going to let her fall. She knows that he will run through a brick wall for her, and that makes him a superhero, too.

    And they know it.

  125. 125.

    Raven

    August 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    @eemom: hey loudmouth, I want you to go back to the thread where you jumped my ass and tell me where I “honored” McCain? Then run your nasty shit about my dick.

  126. 126.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: One of my grad students is now a tenured faculty member at Elon. It sounds like a great place.

  127. 127.

    janesays

    August 30, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    @debit: The most likely reason I’ve heard was so that his senators would have a few extra days to campaign in their home states.

    Which isn’t a very good tradeoff.

  128. 128.

    JPL

    August 30, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    I sure hope that Daniel Dale is going to cover Trump’s rally tonight. When he mentions the ACA vote will he say that is no longer a problem?

  129. 129.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    @janesays: Considering what’s at stake, I think it is. Sorry for being a bitch earlier. It’s been a long Infrastructure Week.

  130. 130.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    Oh look, new thread.

  131. 131.

    janesays

    August 30, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    @debit: Wound him? Valid criticism is now called “wounding”?

    A) he’s not up for re-election this year; B) even if he were, there’s pretty close to no chance that his seat will ever be jeopardy, given that it’s one of the bluest states in the country.

  132. 132.

    lgerard

    August 30, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    I think McCain missed a bet by not having Mueller, Comey, Brennen, Avenatti, Micheal Cohen and Omarosa as pallbearers.

  133. 133.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    @janesays: Given that they’re including those Obama hold-overs, it sounds to me as if Schumer and McConnell both have one eye on the midterms. Odds are GOP will hold the Senate and they’ll be able to push through anyone they want, but if McConnell is thinking that the Dems just might fill the straight and take the Senate, Schumer can stop a lot more judges starting next January. So they’re both taking part of a loaf.

    Anybody wanna pointlessly speculate about whether or not Susan Collins will flip if the Senate comes back 50/50?

  134. 134.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    @janesays: I think criticism before knowing all the facts does wound, yes. And there’s such a thing as death by a thousand cuts. Why can’t we ever defend our people the way republicans do? Why do we always assume that our guys fucked up, or are deliberately bad at what they do?

  135. 135.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 30, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    @debit:

    Oh look, new thread.

    Gotta pull on it.

  136. 136.

    George

    August 30, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: No bug at all. I’m voicing my opinion that perhaps instead of incessant whinging about what McCain did or didn’t do that pissed off people, we should take advantage of the things that can be used against the party of Trump.

    The fact that McCain hated Trump to the extent that he made sure he was not on the list of invitees to his funeral? I’m not a historian by profession, but a former GOP presidential nominee disinviting a sitting GOP president from attending his funeral doesn’t happen every day. Had not Trump and his supporters normalized insanity, something like that would be huge news.

    There is no reason why we cannot use the animosity between McCain and Trump as a way to isolate the rightwing further. There is no way we should ignore the example that McCain set of putting country before party. Yeah, I didn’t support most of his votes in the senate, but at this point, so what? At this point, complaining about his votes is not going to help put cracks in the rightwing.

  137. 137.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Great, go ahead and tell John why you unraveled the blog.

  138. 138.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Chris Coons did not make the case yesterday on MSNBC. It essentially boiled down to, “Our members could spend a few extra days at home campaigning instead of standing up what was going to happen anyway.”
    IMO, that’s not making a case.

  139. 139.

    Ruckus

    August 30, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @gene108:
    Are you saying that conservatives have no humanity?
    They are raggng on McCain because he is dissing their hero.

  140. 140.

    debit

    August 30, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @George: I think you meant to reply to me, and I think you overestimate the power of this blog.

  141. 141.

    zhena gogolia

    August 30, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @debit:

    This was my refrain all through the 2016 campaign, every time I heard some liberal wanking about her e-mails. It was also my refrain in 2004, about Kerry. I don’t care if he water skis or whatever it was.

  142. 142.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    August 30, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Replace Chuck with Jeff Merkely as Senate Majority Leader!

  143. 143.

    A Ghost To Most

    August 30, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @debit: Ask Al Franken.

  144. 144.

    Jay

    August 30, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @debit:

    If he followed Yurtle the Turtle’s antics during the Obama Presidency, Schumer could have delayed these appointments into December and consumed almost all the available floor time in the Senate, as well. So he could have brought the Senate to gridlock on everything but Commitees.

    There’s an event taking place in November that might change the metrics of the Senate.

  145. 145.

    A Ghost To Most

    August 30, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    @suffragettecity: No Sinatra fan here. It seems way over used at funerals.

  146. 146.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 30, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    @debit: Can you unravel something that’s already unraveled? Deep Thoughts…

  147. 147.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 30, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    @George: There is no way we should ignore the example that McCain set of putting country before party.

    a meaningful way of doing that would have been following the example of French politicos who hated Macron personally and politically, but endorsed him anyway because Marine LePen was a living, walking, breathing degradation to their country. McCain perpetuated some lies about Benghazi because he wanted to die in the Senate.

    Another way to do that, once it was too late to do the above, was make his vote on the tax cuts, or Gorsuch, contingent on any number of restraints on trump. He chose not to do that.

    Another way to do that, in the last six months of his life, when he was actively tweeting and making phone calls and I think giving interviews, would have been to publicly echo the words of so many of his advisors, that the Republican Party needed to be fumigated, and to do that they needed to lose hard this November. He could done any number of things less dramatic to take the wind out his party’s sails, to stiffen their spines, to remind some of them of the better angels of their nature. He chose not to do that.

    Also, Person I’ve Never Seen Before, it’s just a fucking blog. Not even in the top 10,000.

  148. 148.

    J R in WV

    August 30, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    @Mary G:

    Good friend is a professional and highly regarded piper. Not long after we moved into our new current home. so around 1995 he was back in the neighborhood, it was still lots of bare hickory and spruch. He pulled out a set of “parlor pipes” smaller and intended for indoors, and played some famous songs, and then disappeared into the library.

    He came out with his battle pipes, full bore weaponized pipes, and after a few minutes of playing he began to march back and forth. Amazing sound. Many years later we were in his not home town of Pittsburgh on other business and as we left the Carnegie Museum to cross the U Pitt campus at late dusk, a wedding service at the campus chapel, a gothic style mini-cathedral reached the point in the ceremony for the piper outside the chapel to begin piping. It was our old friend again, on the big pipes.

    Is that a Navajo piper in the video? Really? Arizona is an interesting place. The Navajo have zero funeral traditions, they mostly move the nearly deceased person out of the home so their ghost isn’t caught up in the structure when they do finally die. No words for a funeral, they don’t exist in their universe. But white western culture does exist in their universe, and when a Medal of Honor Navajo Code Talker hero dies, many white people strongly desire to publicly honor the late hero — and here the Navajo appear to be willing to honor McCain.

    In Navajo history they speak of fallen heros as “one who fell off” or the “girl who fell” in a remote and distant 3rd person, so as to not wake the spirit of the fallen heros, which have no relationship to the person who was a hero. It’s difficult to describe, really, it’s so different from our concept of the fallen of history.

  149. 149.

    eemom

    August 30, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    @Raven:

    Seemed to me you were sticking up for him just because he was a Vietnam war hero, in spite of all the horrible things he did after he came back, and I thought that was interesting given your attitude about LBJ. Maybe I misunderstood. If I did, I take it back.

    The reference to your manhood was figurative, of course.

  150. 150.

    eemom

    August 30, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    The real question is, can you RAVEL something? Also, why can’t you mantle something when you can dismantle it? And why can’t you have a gruntled employee?

  151. 151.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 30, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    @George: You are apparently responding to someone other than me, as this has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote.

  152. 152.

    misterpuff

    August 30, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    This is, of course, good news for John McCain.

    err maybe not.

    On the other hand, I heard his tire swing is being enshrined in the Newseum, where it will be worshipped as a perfect bipartisan relic of a by-gone era by Local Villagers.

  153. 153.

    George

    August 30, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Mea culpa. Yes, I meant to reply to debit.

  154. 154.

    George

    August 30, 2018 at 6:32 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ve commented a few times, but usually I just lurk because I have nothing to report about cats (I have none) nor gardens (mine is small and not terribly productive).

    Sure, you always can complain that McCain didn’t behave exactly as you wanted him to behave.

    So what?

    What I’m saying is that we need to use the reality we have, not the reality as we hoped it would be. If McCain had done exactly as you described, would your view of him be tempered? Or would you simply list other things you think he should have done to take the wind out the GOP sails?

  155. 155.

    Amir Khalid

    August 30, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    @eemom:
    “Ravel” and “unravel” mean the same thing, just as “flammable” and “inflammable” do.

  156. 156.

    Amir Khalid

    August 30, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    @eemom:
    Of course you could have a gruntled employee, one who is the opposite of disgruntled; but you probably wouldn’t use the word to describe them because it has largely fallen out of use.

  157. 157.

    janesays

    August 30, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    @Amir Khalid: And if there’s ever a nuclear war, we’ll all be exposed to both irradiation and radiation.

  158. 158.

    J R in WV

    August 30, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    @eemom:

    I so seldom agree with you I feel it essential to say something when I do. Sick of the celebration of McCain, glad he’s trolling Trump and Palin from the grave.

  159. 159.

    J R in WV

    August 30, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    @eemom:

    OK, now I remember you better. Fuck you and LBJ and the horse you rode in on!

  160. 160.

    raven

    August 31, 2018 at 8:05 am

    @eemom: I appreciate this. I haven’t “weighed in” precisely because I have the same misgivings about him. My buddy called me fro Berkeley and asked “so what do you think of this love fest for McCain?” I said “shiiitttttt, what a crock” and he breathed a sigh of relief.

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