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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / NYT Op-Ed from “Resistance Inside the Trump Admin”

NYT Op-Ed from “Resistance Inside the Trump Admin”

by Betty Cracker|  September 5, 20184:00 pm| 314 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, General Stupidity, Sweet Fancy Moses!

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Y’all have to go read this right now. A “senior official in the Trump Administration” wrote an op-ed that was just published in The Times. An excerpt:

President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making…

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

What the actual fuck, fellow citizens? Spanky’s gonna blow a gasket. I hope to Christ that person has bundled old shoes and newspaper clippings into the “nuclear football” and given the real codes to someone responsible, like Justice Sotomayor. We’re in Cloud CuckooLand.

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314Comments

  1. 1.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    Nikki Haley. HAS to be!

  2. 2.

    sigaba

    September 5, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    What a shitstorm.

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    September 5, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    I heard from a source that the op-ed was written by Judge Kavanaugh. Pass it along!

  4. 4.

    Chyron HR

    September 5, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. we are a-OK with nazi plutocrats raping the country, we just wish the president wasn’t making our baby-cages look bad.

    Burn that source, NYT.

  5. 5.

    lollipopguild

    September 5, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    I love the part about “many of his policies have made America safer and more prosperous”. REALLY?

  6. 6.

    David Anderson

    September 5, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    Best case scenario, we’re Wilson after his stroke

    Worst case scenario, there is one authorized individual who can launch nukes at anyone and he is getting humiliated in public today.

  7. 7.

    MCA1

    September 5, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    Holy mother forking shirtballs. An open letter in the paper of record from an insider admitting to a soft coup in the White House. That is…wow. It’s basically: “I and others are affirmatively sabotaging the President of the United States because he’s an insane moral degenerate and a danger to the Republic.”

    So, so far off the map.

  8. 8.

    dmsilev

    September 5, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    The Onion earlier today: “John Kelly Relieved Trump So Fucking Stupid He’ll Believe Woodward Made Up Disparaging Quotes”

    Hmmmm….

  9. 9.

    MattF

    September 5, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    It’s pretty clear (IMO) that Trump’s hands have been tied wrt foreign policy. We shall see what happens with NK, but it’s all significantly less bad than it might be.

    I do wish that Congressional Republicans weren’t such feckless, lickspittle cowards, but I don’t see how that change is going to happen.

  10. 10.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    @Jeffro: Ooh, good guess.

    My frustration with this kind of passive-aggressive, half-assed 25th amendment coup aside, this may put The Beast in a straight-jacket. Now off to read this very peculiar bit of… self-important cowardice? I’m not even sure how to describe it

  11. 11.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    September 5, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    Twitler has already started a witch hunt inside the Whitehouse, it is going to get insane now. His tweets tomorrow morning are going to be epic.

  12. 12.

    BGinCHI

    September 5, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    Can’t be Pence. Too many big words and no mention of Jesus.

  13. 13.

    Betty Cracker

    September 5, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    @Chyron HR & @lollipopguild: Agreed and agreed, but gott-damn! Do y’all think everything carries on as normal with this out there? Serious question — I don’t know what the fuck to think any more.

  14. 14.

    ruemara

    September 5, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    lol. fuck them. They get no benefit of the doubt. This is ass-covering of the highest order.

  15. 15.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    Haley working in concert with Pence. Mike moves up, Nikki becomes VP. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

    25th amendment conference call coming up in 3, 2, 1…

  16. 16.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

    Fuck you, eat shit and die horribly.

  17. 17.

    Barbara

    September 5, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    Steve Mnuchin or James Mattis. I don’t really see any other credible candidates. Okay, maybe John Kelly, although I don’t think he counts as a cabinet level official.

  18. 18.

    Shell

    September 5, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    Spanky’s gonna blow a gasket

    Publicly, therell just be more tweets ranting about fake news from the ‘failing’ NYTs.
    But privately, we can only hope.

  19. 19.

    Gravenstone

    September 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    @Chyron HR: Yup. The “we’re in the right, just saddled with this ignoramus actually holding the title of president ” attitude needs to lead to a very public outing and all the pain that will follow.

  20. 20.

    p.a.

    September 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    Ooooohhhhh WH Witch Hunt 2. Video game out for xmas! No protagonists. All antagonists. WH populated by orcs, balrogs, and President Gollum.

  21. 21.

    dr. bloor

    September 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    Apparently, then, these heroes are OK with tearing kids from their parents and putting them in cages.

    They can all die in the same fire, AFAIC.

  22. 22.

    RedDirtGirl

    September 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    @Chyron HR: Exactly! Fuck that fucker!

  23. 23.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Serious question: the shit is about to GET REAL!

    (Mueller will make it REAL-ER)

    But this is what a coup and/or a preface to a 25th amendment scenario looks like, no doubt.

  24. 24.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    @David Anderson:

    Worst case scenario, there is one authorized individual who can launch nukes at anyone and he is getting humiliated in public today.

    Worst then that. Multiple individuals could give the order instead of Trump and the military might actually believe them.

  25. 25.

    Mandarama

    September 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    The nerve of these fuckers, calling themselves “unsung heroes.”

  26. 26.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    @MCA1: We’re inventing new Constitutional Crisis by the hour.

  27. 27.

    MattF

    September 5, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    @BGinCHI: Not to mention that there’s no sign of Mother.

  28. 28.

    RedDirtGirl

    September 5, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    @MCA1: Nice use of The Good Place lingo!

  29. 29.

    hueyplong

    September 5, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    @ruemara: Amen. Yet another rodent looking to avoid accountability when the fecal matter starts flying off the fan blades.

    Fuck ’em all, and let God sort out his own. I’ve got no time for darling tales of one person’s little, secret battles on behalf of the republic.Tell your tale from the dock.

  30. 30.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    @p.a.:

    and President Gollum.

    Take that back. Gollum was sympathetic at points in the movies.

  31. 31.

    Keith P.

    September 5, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    These aren’t too hard to track down…you just find interesting phrasings and search email for those phrasings. There’s only going to be one person with 3 or more of them in his/her Sent Items. I’d start with “free minds, free markets and free people” and someone who uses “exasperated” a lot.
    I’d say “Put Jared on the case” (and unironically, even!), but it could very well *be* Jared.

  32. 32.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    @Keith P.:

    I’d start with “free minds, free markets and free people”

    Its Kudlow.

  33. 33.

    RedDirtGirl

    September 5, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    @MattF: My thought, as well, also, too.

  34. 34.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    @Barbara: Mnuchin maybe, but I doubt Mattis or anyone with a military background. This:

    Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

    makes me think it’s someone from the Wall St/ Randian wing. I doubt– Dr Silverman, if you’re reading– that anyone from Mattis’s following would put the military last, or so vaguely. A Wall St type who wants to polish their own… apple with The NYT? Mnuchin is a very, very good guess.

  35. 35.

    tobie

    September 5, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    Oh my. We’re living through unprecedented times. The would-be King is a loon and everyone knows it.

  36. 36.

    Haydnseek

    September 5, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    @Betty Cracker: If this is anything like the last year and a half, it’ll be a two-day story. It will be overshadowed by the next ridiculous outrage, and then the next. I hope I’m wrong.

  37. 37.

    Ruckus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    @ruemara:
    Well they do need asscover of the highest order.
    Mostly because they are all highest order asses.

  38. 38.

    Doug R

    September 5, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    So they admit they should be using the 25th amendment but they’re too chicken $hit to pull the trigger?
    Mueller should indict trump NOW.

  39. 39.

    Chet

    September 5, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    “But please, don’t let this interrupt your regularly scheduled Kavanaugh Kabuki.”

  40. 40.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    @dmsilev: haha That would be a sure way to end his nomination. Time to pass it on.

    Also the Washington Post published a list of replacements for when Mattis leaves. Sen Cotton is on the list.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2018/09/05/the-white-house-is-discussing-potential-replacements-for-jim-mattis/?utm_term=.1dadcc3ebd42

  41. 41.

    The Moar You Know

    September 5, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    Well. This is terrifying.

  42. 42.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    @Barbara: Mnunchin doesn’t have the guts to do this. Mattis wouldn’t do this. I swear I’m 99% convinced it’s Haley.

  43. 43.

    MCA1

    September 5, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    @Keith P.: The phrase “not moored to any discernible first principles” caught my eye. Sounds like something a high ranking military officer might say.

  44. 44.

    SFAW

    September 5, 2018 at 4:17 pm

    @lollipopguild:

    I love the part about “many of his policies have made America safer and more prosperous”. REALLY?

    Yes, really. What he/she left out was that America is “more prosperous” in much the same way as the apocryphal bar patrons did when Bill Gates walked in. [“Hey, on average, we all just became millionaires!!!”]

  45. 45.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    @BGinCHI: Pence did defend Sessions today, but I agree. Could it be mother?

  46. 46.

    Tim C.

    September 5, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    Um…. the morality of the person who wrote this is pretty much in tatters. So is the rest of the GOP electorate. Imagine if this dude had the stones to say it publicly and take the consequences. This is Flake and Corker territory of trying to have your cake and eat it too. Someone thinks it’s going to crash soon and wants to establish cred, but is so chickenpoop scared they won’t walk out on their own.

  47. 47.

    LesGS

    September 5, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    I think we had hints all along that this sort of thing was happening. Then Woodward’s book made it more explicit. But, wow, this pretty much lays it all out. It’s possible that the intent is to reassure the public that there are some adults in the room. But I find it quite discombobulating. I’m having a hard time processing it.

  48. 48.

    John Revolta

    September 5, 2018 at 4:20 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Do y’all think everything carries on as normal with this out there?

    Carries on what now?

  49. 49.

    Betty Cracker

    September 5, 2018 at 4:20 pm

    @Keith P.: I was just thinking that. Every expert on that sort of thing is Googling furiously right now. This person will almost certainly not be able to remain anonymous and when revealed, he or she will be pressured to name co-conspirators. This is fucking nuts, y’all.

  50. 50.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I’m streaming MSNBC and Wallace is reading the oped.

  51. 51.

    coloradoblue

    September 5, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    …preserve our democratic institutions…

    Like the Supreme Court?

    Eat shit and die, can’t say it enough.

  52. 52.

    Mezz

    September 5, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    TUMBRELS FOR THE LOT OF THEM WHEN THIS IS OVER.
    NOBODY ELECTED YOU ASSHOLES – this is NOT your job. Denounce him publicly or STFU.

    (Of course, nobody elected the Giant Orange Asshole either; Putin put him in power.)

  53. 53.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    @Jeffro: @Barbara: Mnunchin doesn’t have the guts to do this.
    I think you underestimate his MOTU arrogance and smug confidence that The NYT– his sort of people, you know– will protect him. Not that it’s a sure thing, but this is a guy who wanted a government plane to fly him around to see the eclipse and posed for that picture with his trophy wife. He doesn’t understand how normal people do things, or consequences.
    I’m sure this admin is lousy with Wall St “Executive Vice President” types, or people from the extraction industries or Koch-like companies— “deregulation” comes even before tax reform. But it’s somebody big enough that the NYT agreed to publish it…..
    And if we’re playing this game, trump is going to be smashing furniture like Charles Foster Kane. Keep him out of the ceremonial rooms.

  54. 54.

    Keith P.

    September 5, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    @TenguPhule: Does he write that academically? I have only seen him on TV as a sycophant. Reading it, with its foreign policy focus and adult sentence construction, I was thinking it was Nikki Haley.

  55. 55.

    catclub

    September 5, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    @MattF:

    but I don’t see how that change is going to happen

    how about voting them out of office? Leaving office seems to do it for them.

  56. 56.

    David Fud

    September 5, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    The eunuchs have surrounded the emperor and cossetted him with BS. It seems that we don’t even live in a democracy. We live in a cockless authoritarian Cloud Coo-Coo Land. This is exactly what impeachment is for and yet, here we are, without any effective check or balance on an executive completely off his rocker and underlings who simply ignore him and do whatever in the F they want. I am finally to the point I believe the founders screwed the pooch: they made the executive too strong. We didn’t know for 250 years, but now we know. What a crazy discovery.

  57. 57.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 5, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    It would probably be rude and impolitic to hope that reading this gives Il Donaldo a stroke.

  58. 58.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Mnuchin loves the tax cuts and deregulation, so that would make sense. Not unsurprising, but I heard through the grapevine that both Prices’s detest him. Since he was fired, not him.

  59. 59.

    Ruckus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @Haydnseek:
    Well……
    We are in a political hurricane, we know that the winds are building and it will be the biggest political hurricane for anyone born since WWII, so you have to think, it’s going to be worse before it gets better.

  60. 60.

    Barbara

    September 5, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @Jeffro: Would bet Mnuchin over Haley any day. Haley does not have a vast personal fortune and really wants a political future. Mnuchin is indifferent to those kinds of things. At any rate, I really doubt it’s Haley even if it’s not Mnuchin. She’s just too much of an opportunist to risk doing something like this.

  61. 61.

    The Moar You Know

    September 5, 2018 at 4:24 pm

    I will also say this: this is the most craven, cowardly bullshit I have ever read in my life. Trump’s unfit? 25th Amendment. Otherwise these people are taking part in a legitimate coup against the elected government of the United States.

  62. 62.

    Tim C.

    September 5, 2018 at 4:24 pm

    Second Take, could this be a rat-fornication from one faction of white house staffers on another? The use of specific phrases could be a way to direct the retribution at specific targets. Can the team famous for playing Hungry Hungry hippos actually be doing some strategy?

  63. 63.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @Keith P.: I doubt Kudlow could put together more than a paragraph at a high-school AP Gov level. There’s no there there.

  64. 64.

    geg6

    September 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    Other than the hilarity factor of imagining how Cheetolini is blowing up the place over this, fuck this asshole. If you were a real patriot, you’d step up and take credit and blow up this entire farce. You are an enabler and I am not comforted at the thought that you are there to take credit for being some sort of hero or as a part of the resistance. If you actually gave a damn, you and your co-conspirators would come out with the truth of everything that orange mother fucker and his minions have done and fall on the mercy of the American people. But you, too, are cowards, just like your disgusting boss. I hate you all and I hope you never have a happy moment for the rest of your lives.

  65. 65.

    catclub

    September 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @JPL:

    Pence did defend Sessions today, but I agree. Could it be mother?

    Pence is the one guy in the Executive branch that Trump cannot fire.

  66. 66.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @Barbara:

    She’s just too much of an opportunist to risk doing something like this.

    She’s…too much of an opportunist…to do this?

    Isn’t this exactly what an opportunist would do?

    Well, the good news is, we should know within 24 hours who dropped this bad boy…maybe not even 12…

  67. 67.

    John PM

    September 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    If the author is going to be anonymous, should he/she/it at least come up with a pseudonym? I suggest “Chickenshit.”

    Also, I’m usually a big believer in a newspaper protecting its sources, but I don’t consider Chickenshit to be a source, so identify this coward already!

  68. 68.

    John Revolta

    September 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @Haydnseek: This. The Gish Gallop will continue until they got all the monies, or they’re tossed out on their asses.

  69. 69.

    feebog

    September 5, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    From the OpEd:

    Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

    Quite the opposite is true. If you know Trump is mentally unfit for office, it is your obligation to invoke the 25th amendment. Failing to do so is the constitutional crisis.

  70. 70.

    Brachiator

    September 5, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

    A palace coup ain’t preserving “our democratic institutions.”

    Applying the 25th Amendment if necessary ain’t a constitutional crisis. It is using the Constitution to resolve a crisis.

    The arrogance of King Trump is outweighed only by the arrogance of his courtiers.

    And consider this.

    while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office

    Would these misguided courtiers work for his re-election?

  71. 71.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 5, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    Well but we are saved from HER EMAILZ
    Thanks, Vichy Times.

  72. 72.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    September 5, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    Gonna ask any non-white US jackals a favour here to unfuck a friend of mine; a reverse rectocraniotomy as it were. Start here: https://twitter.com/partialtomusic/status/1037432365184737280?s=21 and point out the home truths on this.

  73. 73.

    smintheus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    So many bad consequences result from publishing this – it signals to other countries that Trump cannot control policy hence the US is officially adrift in the world; it drives Trump around the bend trying to identify the author and conspirators; it undercuts Republican allies/cronies/minions in Congress; etc.

    So there had to be an ulterior motive for publishing. Several obvious possibilities, like a desire to hand one or both Houses of Congress to the Democrats. More likely, in my opinion, the author wanted to build for himself a nest in which to perch if/when he’s cashiered by Trump. I think this is virtue signalling in advance: “Don’t blame me for taking part in Trump’s conspiracy against the US, I was actually part of the loyal (i.e. Republican) resistance.”

  74. 74.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @catclub: We need to read excerpts of statements from Chao, and Haley, and see if the style matches.

  75. 75.

    Bruce K

    September 5, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    …I think I get it.

    They’re trying to disassociate the Republicans from Trump, painting the policies as good and the man as an aberration, rather than the goddamned end point of the Southern Strategy and their embrace of racists and white supremacists and know-nothingers and the goddamn neo-Nazis and the fbeeping Ku Klux Klan.

    Let ’em end up like Keitel or Jodl or even Rudolf Hess. Let ’em all burn.

  76. 76.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @Keith P.: Nikki is an idiot when it comes to foreign policy. That’s why she’s at the UN.

  77. 77.

    MCA1

    September 5, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @Tim C.: I get that perspective, but then again if we just put aside the character judgment on anyone who would take a job in this administration in the first place (not a glowing judgment) and think about the mechanics of this once they’re inside, there might be some strategic thinking behind it.

    Say it’s Mattis, for example. He’s concerned that TOTUS is loco, and if he’s not there to steer him and disregard his orders we’ll end up in WWIII. So, what to do? If you get canned or walk out, you have no control over your replacement and they could be even more morally and ethically stunted than you were to take the job in the first place. They might be as deranged and degenerate as Trump himself.

    It’s a prisoner’s dilemma to be the first ones to start pushing actively for 25th Amendment resolution. If you take a shot and fail, you’re all gone. If you try to recruit the wrong person, you’re all gone. This could be simply an S.O.S. signal to the world from on board the Bounty that they need help with this mutiny because there are enough flying monkeys around that they can’t safely decapitate the king. If anyone gets fired in the next 2 weeks we’ll know why, it will be viewed with great suspicion and it might (not likely, I know, but maybe we can hope) be the sort of thing that wakes up Congressional Republicans.

  78. 78.

    The Dangerman

    September 5, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Haley working in concert with Pence.

    Yeah, Pence is involved somehow. Not sure about Haley. Could be Pence alone with help from Mother for the bigger words.

  79. 79.

    Mary G

    September 5, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    Yeah, wowser, but what a lily-livered coward who is hoping to have his cake and eat it too by claiming after Twitler is purged that he or she is the savior of the republic because they wrote an anonymous column. Own your words or GTFO.

    Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

    But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

    This is standard Republican boilerplate with “the president is crazy pants tacked on” and I am not impressed.

    It will be entertaining to watch the meltdown, though, also too.

  80. 80.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    @David Fud:

    I am finally to the point I believe the founders screwed the pooch: they made the executive too strong.

    They didn’t. Executive branch got stronger due to WW I, Depression, WW II and the Cold War.

    Congress basically gave away most of its power through lack of enforcement.

  81. 81.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 5, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    OT good news, the write-in candidate for state senate seat who I canvased for won her race. And my favorite candidate of the 7 running for the state rep won hers and I know both of them personally!

  82. 82.

    catclub

    September 5, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    @Tim C.:

    Second Take, could this be a rat-fornication from one faction of white house staffers on another?

    third take, NYT has made it up just to drive Trump crazy looking for the mole. Trump as James Jesus Angleton is amusing me.

  83. 83.

    Chip Daniels

    September 5, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    So once the praetorian guard do their duty and shiv the mad emperor, slow, stupid, imbecilic Mike Pence will be our Claudius after all.

  84. 84.

    Haydnseek

    September 5, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @Ruckus: I agree. I just think it will be the cumulative weight of all this that will precipitate the final collapse. I don’t think this particular meteor will trigger the extinction event. Things will get worse, and then worse still. The deluge will come. Just not next week. Tick Tock motherfuckers indeed.

  85. 85.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @smintheus:

    it signals to other countries that Trump cannot control policy hence the US is officially adrift in the world

    Worse. It signals that there are other people who have effective controls of the levers of power and that they can be bribed. Because if they couldn’t they wouldn’t be working there.

  86. 86.

    smintheus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @MCA1: Or Jesuit trained.

  87. 87.

    Ruckus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @David Fud:
    A lot of the executive getting stronger was Congress abdicating their duties. Someone had to run the country. And Congress, not wanting to look weak, has been trying to find something else to do. I think conservatives found fuciking with us to be an alternative.

  88. 88.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    September 5, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    Honestly, if these people were purposely staging a farce, they couldn’t do any better.

  89. 89.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    Haven’t read the thread, but this article makes me sick to my stomach. I’m hearing it in Burt Lancaster’s voice.

  90. 90.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    The authors among us should read excerpt from writings from a few cabinet members. I bet they can figure it out.

  91. 91.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It would probably be rude and impolitic to hope that reading this gives Il Donaldo a stroke.

    We need him to shoot Pence on 5th avenue first.

  92. 92.

    low-tech cyclist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Applying the 25th Amendment if necessary ain’t a constitutional crisis. It is using the Constitution to resolve a crisis.

    Bingo.

    The arrogance of King Trump is outweighed only by the arrogance of his courtiers.

    Ditto their stupidity and obliviousness.

  93. 93.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    @ruemara: This.

  94. 94.

    dexwood

    September 5, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    Fucking hell?! Unsung heroes?! What a load of bullshit. Sounds like they’ll do anything to further their agenda, including a palace coup of sorts that props up a demented traitor to advance their goals.

  95. 95.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    Otherwise these people are taking part in a legitimate coup against the elected government of the United States.

    Legitimate?

  96. 96.

    Uncle Cosmo

    September 5, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    @Jeffro: “Not so fast, Schwartz!”: The 25th Amendment provides for VPOTUS to become “Acting POTUS” under certain circumstances, & to continue in that role if sanctioned by a 2/3 vote of both Houses of Congress –

    BUT there is no provision for the installation of an “Acting VPOTUS”. Among other things, it is unclear whether the office of VPOTUS would in fact be vacant under such circumstances. Section 3 says that “such powers and duties [of POTUS] shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President,” & the 2/3 votes of both Houses merely enables VPOTUS to continue as Acting President until & unless the deactivated POTUS dies, resigns, or is impeached & removed.

    My head hurts…

  97. 97.

    Another Scott

    September 5, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    @Jeffro: Something like 4000 people work in the Executive Office of the President. I wouldn’t be surprised if 1000 of them were classed as “Senior Official”.

    It could be almost anyone there, really.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  98. 98.

    Calouste

    September 5, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    I don’t think the writer of this op-ed is cabinet level. One, maybe even two ranks below that seems more likely. Someone the shitgibbon doesn’t even know the name off.

  99. 99.

    trollhattan

    September 5, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    Going with Mrs. Turtle. Hubby got her into the cabinet as his mole and we never, ever hear a peep about or from her. Except during Infrastructure Week, of course.

  100. 100.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    It ain’t Pence.

  101. 101.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 5, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    I hope special counsel Mueller is delving into NYT’s finances, since they have taken it upon themselves to be the mouth of Sauron, before and after the elections. How many Russkie oligarchs are propping up the Grey Lady.

  102. 102.

    Miss Bianca

    September 5, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    Jesus Chicken-Fried Christ (to use the immortal words of Betty C.) We have this supremely delusional paragraph:

    We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

    And then we get:

    Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

    Which is it, you wizened umbilical stump? (h/t Dr. Bloor). You either believe that this administration is capable of making decisions to keep “America safe and prosperous”, or you don’t. If you believe it, you should be working towards its goals, not undermining them. And if you don’t…you STILL shouldn’t be operating in secret to undermine it, you should be OUT LOUD AND PROUD about invoking the 25th Amendment!

    What the everlasting FUCK??

    Guy (or gal) is getting reamed in the NYT Reader comments. And rightly so.

  103. 103.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    I’m also expecting the Untergang parodies to get dusted off. blech.

  104. 104.

    wjs

    September 5, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    It reads like it was written by a committee that consists of people who are trying to revise their resumes to play up their conservative bona fides and hide the fact that they had to take a job working for Trump or move back to Indiana and suck dicks for change down at the Chamber of Commerce again.

  105. 105.

    jimmiraybob

    September 5, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    So, Pence and his people are making their move.

    Crazytown man, Crazytown.

  106. 106.

    wvng

    September 5, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    @Jeffro: can’t be Haley because she isn’t there often enough. Has to be someone closer to the WH.

  107. 107.

    Betty Cracker

    September 5, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    @smintheus: Sounds plausible.

  108. 108.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 5, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis.

    How exactly is using a constitutional remedy via the 25th Amendment equal to precipitating a constitutional crisis? Isn’t that what the provision is there for? And isn’t not using it in this instance a constitutional crisis in and of itself?

  109. 109.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 5, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    @Calouste: Bingo.

  110. 110.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvqJ1mTkEuY

  111. 111.

    David Anderson

    September 5, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    @Keith P.: That is a Wall Street Journal phrasing

    “free minds, free markets and free people”

  112. 112.

    Rommie

    September 5, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    Somebody(s) want President Pence sooner than later. Hmmm, wonder why?
    The Saturday Night Massacre is coming from inside the house!

    To be serious, I agree with everyone calling the source a chickenshit. More like Big Dummy, trusting the NYT to guard their identity. Clark Kent wearing glasses is more secure identity protection.

  113. 113.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    @Calouste: that’s what the too-good-to-be-true rule would suggest, but would the NYT do this for a first assistant undersecretary at Treasury?

  114. 114.

    randy khan

    September 5, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    So, first, if Trump implodes or gets crushed in 2020, and the author is not yet revealed, I predict that there will be a couple of dozen people claiming to be Spartacus (so to speak).

    But the real gist of this is that the person who wrote this is fine working for an incompetent loon so long as he (and you know it’s a he) gets his Republican cookies. And, indeed, the Republican cookies are *more* important to him than the possibility that a madman will do something catastrophic before he can be stopped. And he’s entirely comfortable with a soft coup in the meantime.

    I am put to mind of Toby Ziegler: There was coup d’état that night

  115. 115.

    stan

    September 5, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    @TenguPhule: Multiple individuals could give the order instead of Trump and the military might actually believe them.

    There are elaborate systems in place to prevent that.

  116. 116.

    catclub

    September 5, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Something like 4000 people work in the Executive Office of the President. I wouldn’t be surprised if 1000 of them were classed as “Senior Official”.

    Somebody wanted their 2.1% cost of living raise next year, and is pissed.

  117. 117.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 5, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    Do not take this as straightforward. Trump isn’t smart enough to tie his own shoes, but many of the people working for him are merely stupid. This is Court Of The Sun King shit. You know what you get when you have an absolute monarch who is more interested in his own ego than ruling anything? Dueling courtiers. The Woodward snippets imply the White House is full of factions manipulating Trump like a toddler to get their own priorities followed.

    This is a bog standard, courtier favorite, high-school mean girl ‘Write a nasty letter and set up your enemy to take the blame’ tactic.

  118. 118.

    James E Powell

    September 5, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    @Haydnseek:

    Normally, I’d agree. I take a back seat to no one when it comes to bitter cynicism. But people are going to want to know who the anonymous writer is and who else he or she is referring to as the protectors of the realm. It’s exactly the kind of insider savvy political soap opera shit that the Village actually cares about. It’s going to be all they talk about at dinner parties.

  119. 119.

    Wumpus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    Invoking the 25th Amendment would not “precipitate a constitutional crisis.” It would be the Constitution working as intended. Someone like Trump is exactly what it’s there for.

    Instead, the ongoing state of anarchy we have now is a genuine constitutional crisis: the people who are pledged to uphold the Constitution and implement its checks and balances have simply abandoned their duty.

  120. 120.

    sgrAstar

    September 5, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    @Keith P.: Nikki Haley isn’t a WH insider. She doesn’t work there and she’s not a part of daily decision making. It sounds like Mnuchin…but a Mnuchin with guts. I wonder who that could possibly be. The “ free markets” comment is sheer rw propaganda. Clue? This op-ed does suggest that everyone in the WH is a craven, deluded fool. This guy actually claims to be saving the republic. He’s blinded by his own self-regard. Tumbrel drivers to the white courtesy phone….

  121. 121.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:42 pm

    No good donation goes unstolen

    The lawyer for a homeless man in Philadelphia whose selflessness led to donations of over $400,000 through an online fundraising page said today that all the money is gone.

    Johnny Bobbitt’s attorney, Chris Fallon, said he learned to his surprise that the cash was gone during a call with lawyers for Kate McClure and Mark D’Amico.

    “Shocked. Shocked,” Fallon said when he heard word. “They raised this money to help Johnny Bobbitt get money for food.”

    McClure and D’Amico are the couple accused in a lawsuit brought by Bobbitt of mismanaging donations raised for him through GoFundMe. The couple deny the claims in the suit, saying they’re wary of giving Bobbitt large sums because they fear he will buy drugs.

    Who should we believe?

    McClure and D’Amico have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing or misusing any of the money. D’Amico has told the Philadelphia Inquirer he spent $500 of the GoFundMe money to gamble because he didn’t have his casino card one night, but said he repaid it with his winnings.

    D’Amico has said Bobbitt spent $25,000 in less than two weeks in December on drugs, in addition to paying overdue legal bills and sending money to his family.

    The couple also bought Bobbitt a camper with some of the funds and parked it on land McClure’s family owns in Florence, New Jersey. But Bobbitt became homeless again after D’Amico told him in June that he had to leave the property.

    During an appearance Monday on NBC’s “Megyn Kelly Today” show, D’Amico told Kelly there was well over $150,000 left of the donations.

  122. 122.

    p.a.

    September 5, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making…

    That sounds military to me, not Wall St. But the talking up of decades old Reaganomics…

    Maybe it’s really a joint authorship?

  123. 123.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Of course we’re all overlooking the obvious.

    Tiffany

  124. 124.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    @stan:

    There are elaborate systems in place to prevent that.

    Electoral College. Executive Cellphones. North Korea & Russian meetings.

  125. 125.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    @Mandarama:

    The nerve of these fuckers, calling themselves “unsung heroes.”

    quoted for truth

  126. 126.

    Immanentize

    September 5, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    I’m guessing Sessions. It’s a message to the Senate and others to get buckled in.
    First principles is Sessions speak. And the odd way of talking about 25th amendment process sounds like Sessions too. And he certainly believes what he does is making the country safer….

    Did Woodward spend much time with Ol’ Jefferson Beauregard?

  127. 127.

    sm*t cl*de

    September 5, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    @MattF:

    Trump’s hands have been tied wrt foreign policy

    Do they make handcuffs that small?

  128. 128.

    jimmiraybob

    September 5, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    @lollipopguild:

    “many of his policies have made America safer and more prosperous”.

    …wrote a deliriously manic Mike Pence, with a copy of the 25th Amendment tightly clutched to his bosom. It was a dark and stormy night. And then the murders began.

  129. 129.

    p.a.

    September 5, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Very different situations, but how did the post-stroke Wilson WH work?

  130. 130.

    The Moar You Know

    September 5, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Legitimate?

    @TenguPhule: Trump was elected as per the process outlined in the Constitution. That the process was tampered with eight ways from Sunday by foreign and domestic powers doesn’t change that. He was elected president.

    I didn’t vote for him, but oddly enough, nobody in America voted for Mattis, or Kelly, or Haley, or Mnuchin, or Sessions. And this piece implies that these unelected people are acting as president, in a manner that they consider fit, with no legal authority or oversight whatsoever. That is a fucking coup.

    They have two choices: 25th Amendment or do their jobs. They chose to take power instead. That is treason, full stop.

  131. 131.

    The Dangerman

    September 5, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Going with Mrs. Turtle. Hubby got her into the cabinet as his mole and we never, ever hear a peep about or from her.

    After reading, I’m with you. It’s someone with connections to the Senate.

    Haley’s a good second choice … but I’m down with Mrs. Turtle.

  132. 132.

    CaseyL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    I’ve called both my Senators – both Dems already opposed to Kavanaugh but neither, alas, on the Judiciary Committee – and asked them why someone who his own staff says is immoral, crazy, and a danger to the country is allowed to nominate Supreme Court Justices. Hopefully they can pass that question on to their colleagues on the Committee. (And I will try calling the Dems who are, even though I’m not in their state(s).)

  133. 133.

    Gravenstone

    September 5, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    @JPL: Missus McTurtle propping up yet sidelining
    Trump while her husband officiates over the continued looting of the country shouldn’t come across as surprising in retrospect. Doubt she’s the author of the oped but might well be participating in the actions described.

  134. 134.

    Uncle Cosmo

    September 5, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Sounds like the Unter Gang is already running ruining the show…

  135. 135.

    Kdaug

    September 5, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @Haydnseek: Doubtful. “The calls are coming from inside the house” is going to set Trump’s hair on fire and he’s going to be running into walls for months

  136. 136.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @sm*t cl*de:

    Do they make handcuffs that small?

    Chinese finger traps.

  137. 137.

    Miss Bianca

    September 5, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @Chip Daniels:

    So once the praetorian guard do their duty and shiv the mad emperor, slow, stupid, imbecilic Mike Pence will be our Claudius after all.

    This sentence is as poetic as it is horrifying. Well done! Tho’ I think Graves would argue that there’s little evidence that Pence will suddenly be revealed as a wise, sane man – only relatively so, perhaps.

  138. 138.

    JMG

    September 5, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Every non-Times reporter in DC has had orders since this piece hit the Internet to find out who the author is. I’d bet they’re outed before the print edition hits the stands late tonight.
    PS: Boy I hope it’s Ivanka.

  139. 139.

    Betty Cracker

    September 5, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @James E Powell: Exactly.

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Of course!

  140. 140.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Actually I was wondering if you’d placed the word in the wrong spot.

  141. 141.

    Kay

    September 5, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Remember- every single GOP member of Congress had the actual power to do something about this- and every single one of them failed.

    They aren’t going to be able to remain blameless in this. They had real power under the constitution to protect the people from this crazed nutjob in the White House and they were too cowardly to use it.

    They should all lose their seats. This was the test. They all failed.

  142. 142.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    @p.a.:

    but how did the post-stroke Wilson WH work?

    Badly.

  143. 143.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    @Kay:

    This was the test. They all failed.

    Unfortunately voters grade on a curve.

  144. 144.

    jimmiraybob

    September 5, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    PS, I’m open to a Pence-Tyffany-Jefferson Beauregard pact.

  145. 145.

    Jay

    September 5, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @smintheus:

    Yup, begging the Beltway for Good Conduct Medals for service when the tumbrel is deserved,

    And further “normalization” of The Insane Clown POSus and his Minions.

    Fuck the Author and FTFNYT for publishing this with out clarion calls for removal of this whole Administration.

  146. 146.

    Another Scott

    September 5, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @JMG: Jennifer Baty is on the case!

    rofl.

    (via Popehat on Twitter)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  147. 147.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Matthew Yglesias @ mattyglesias
    My official guess:
    Mnuchin — weak views on immigration (not mentioned in the op-ed), mostly focused on economic policy and likes tax cuts & deregulation, involved in sanctions, doesn’t like protectionism or clowning, has social ties & interests outside of RepublicanWorld.

    I think somebody with more Beltway ties would’ve done a “deep background” interview with somebody like David Ignatius, Sessions would’ve gone with whatever anti-trump is left at The Federalist or wherever the hell Pat Buchanan is decomposing behind a desk.

  148. 148.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @geg6:

    Amen.

  149. 149.

    cain

    September 5, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    Can’t be Pence. Too many big words and no mention of Jesus.

    I was thinking it was Pence too. But it’s probably Stephen Miller ;)

  150. 150.

    Jeff

    September 5, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    TLDR: I am really just in it for the budget-busting tax cuts, reckless deregulation, and massive military spending, and while I feel secure in the Republican Party’s long track record of avoiding political consequences for enacting that particular set of policies at every opportunity, I would like to preemptively insulate myself and my friends from blame for whatever else the administration might do while we’re part of it.

  151. 151.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 5, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    @p.a.: Doesn’t sound military to me.

  152. 152.

    eemom

    September 5, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    Don’t think it is Mnooch. Too much of a pure lickspittle.

    Nobody’s mentioned Goebbels Miller….but nah.

    Is McGahn still there? If so I’d say it’s him.

  153. 153.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    @sgrAstar: Because she works with the UN, she does have the views of our allies. A friend who lives on the GA side of Lake Hartwell thinks it could be. The friend watches local Carolina stattions.

  154. 154.

    Chet

    September 5, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    @feebog: this. It’s not a Constitutional crisis if the Constitution has been amended to address this very situation.

  155. 155.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 5, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: @feebog: Or what feebog said.

  156. 156.

    randal m sexton

    September 5, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    mattis uses ‘first principles’ a lot
    https://twitter.com/JohnWSmith/status/1037437369786527747

  157. 157.

    ruemara

    September 5, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    @polyorchnid octopunch: OH, I don’t think you can unfuck that without a cranio-rectotomy.

  158. 158.

    Redshift

    September 5, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

    If you believe the president is harming the country, and your supposed “duty to this country” doesn’t lead you to try to end this administration (because tax cuts and deregulation, yo!), then you’re not any sort of hero.

  159. 159.

    Miss Bianca

    September 5, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    @Immanentize: Oooh…SESSIONS!! *That’s* a guess! Oh, God…I could almost, almost hug the little fucker for it, if so. That would be the most perfect instance of two scorpions stinging each other to death I’ve ever heard of. And the fact that it threatens to tear the country apart and signal fatal weakness to our allies and enemies alike, is just *so* fucking worthy of Sessions. As in, the most supremely unworthy way to act ever.

  160. 160.

    VeniceRiley

    September 5, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    Some wag on twitter pointing to all the times Mattis has used the phrase “first principles”

  161. 161.

    Archon

    September 5, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    This is all crazy although I do disagree with the comments that suggest invoking the 25th amendment is the only action to take at this point. Invoking that with a President who most in this country feel was duly elected and who still has 40 percent approval, and most importantly before any election that could be pointed too as a referendum on his leadership would be a disaster for this county and lead to civil unrest.

    Best for people in the administration to contain the damage until the midterms. If the Republicans get blasted in November I suspect the electoral and institutional walls protecting Trump will quickly collapse.

  162. 162.

    Duke of Clay

    September 5, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    Someone may already have said this, and, If so, I’m saying it again. I get so fucking tired of people describing the invocation of a constitutional process as precipitating a “CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS!!!!!” NO, that is the Constitution working, you idiot!

  163. 163.

    Mary G

    September 5, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    Really Excellent Thread:

    This is a finely crafted piece of propaganda – in content, placement, and timing.Be VERY wary of taking any of this at face value.>THREAD<https://t.co/lyc2EgJvDw— Leah McElrath (@leahmcelrath) September 5, 2018

    Published two months before midterms, it serves the GOP’s electoral efforts:1. It feeds Trump’s paranoid, deep state narrative that can by used by him and Fox, InfoWars, etc., to rally his base.and2. It offers false reassurances that can serve to de-motivate Democratic voters.— Leah McElrath (@leahmcelrath) September 5, 2018

    There has also been evidence lately that some GOP voters plan to vote against the party in the midterms because they want a check on Trump’s power.This piece appeals to what href=”https://twitter.com/GeorgeLakoff?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw”>@GeorgeLakoff calls GOP voters’ tendency to view govt as a “strict father” who has things under control.— Leah McElrath (@leahmcelrath) September 5, 2018

    Took out a link to George Lakoff’s Twitter to stay under the limit, I hope.

  164. 164.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    James Poniewozik @ poniewozik
    I Am Willing to Sacrifice Anything to Protect Our Democracy, Up to But Not Including Losing an Election or Giving Up Literally Any Policy That I Support: A Hero’s Story

    The 2018 GOP platform

  165. 165.

    Gelfling 545

    September 5, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    @lollipopguild: So we already know this guy is a liar. Just feathering his nest for when the bottom drops out entirely.

  166. 166.

    hueyplong

    September 5, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    My guesses (in order)
    1. Someone lower than the famous names– some of you will have heard of that person, but I haven’t.
    2. Mnuchin
    3. Mrs Turtle

    I am fascinated by the timing (the day after Woodward’s book blew up) and think the sole good this sniveling ass-coverer can do is to precipitate the long-anticipated presidential stroke. Sorry to be kind of Tenguphule-y, but that’s how I feel about it at this point.

  167. 167.

    sm*t cl*de

    September 5, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making

    “Moored to discernible principles” makes sense. “First principles” makes sense in Aristotelian philosophy, as the axioms one uses as a starting-point for deduction.

    “Moored to first principles” makes no sense and is the kind of lazy mash-up that falls out of the head of a dumb person trying to write with gravitas while armed only with a dim recollection of things said by smarter people.

  168. 168.

    Mary G

    September 5, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    @Mary G: One more:

    Consider this:The desperate fear we feel that makes us WANT this to be true and good? The same folks who *caused* that desperate fear wrote this piece.It’s like trusting your torturer because he offered you a bandage and some morphine.— Leah McElrath (@leahmcelrath) September 5, 2018

  169. 169.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    @p.a.:

    His wife ran the country.

  170. 170.

    Barbara

    September 5, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    @eemom: Still there but on the way out. He’s too much of a loyalist IMO.

  171. 171.

    sm*t cl*de

    September 5, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    @VeniceRiley:

    Some wag on twitter pointing to all the times Mattis has used the phrase “first principles”

    I rest my case.

  172. 172.

    Princess

    September 5, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    I have to salute the staffer who was smart enough to write this piece of CYA. Keep your job then when it’s all over, come out and claim authorship? Nice way to save what’s left of your career.

    That being said, it highlights once again the criminal negligence of the GOP who know all of this too and could end this at any time, and choose not to.

  173. 173.

    Kdaug

    September 5, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Applying the 25th Amendment if necessary ain’t a constitutional crisis.

    Correct. It is, however, a grave political crisis. A crisis that could, in fact, destroy the two party system.

    And nobody with a vested interest wants that.

  174. 174.

    Gelfling 545

    September 5, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    @Mandarama: I think they should completely be sung! A nice requiem mass, perhaps.

  175. 175.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 5, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    @Barbara: hard to believe a careful lawyer and Republican who wants a future would do this

    But then, these are all people who agreed to work for trump so who the fuck knows?

  176. 176.

    Kent

    September 5, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    I honestly think this is about 2020. The Republicans want a do-over and the best way to do that is flush out Trump before 2020.

    The only things that really matter at this point are the 2018 midterms and the 2020 general election. If Dem’s take one or both houses this November then the Trump Administration is looking forward to 2-years of endless rectal exams by Dems with subpoena power and the blocking of any legislation they still want to pass (repealing the ACA, more permanent tax cuts? repealing environmental laws?). Personally I think it will be easier to defeat a neutered, unpopular, and increasingly senile Trump than it will be to defeat a new Pence Administration.

    I think the Republicans would like nothing more than a do-over in the form of a new Pence Administration in 2019 that will “put the growups back in charge”. They want him to pull a Palin and walk away. The media will wet its pants and write endless puff pieces about the new “adult” Republicans and how we should give them a chance to turn things around. All that corruption and mess from the last Trump Administration? That’s old news. Bygones don’t you know?

    Don’t fall for it. Make them own Trump for the next 2 years and then we can start fresh. That’s why I’m actually of mixed opinion about impeachment. Yes I want Trump gone but I also want the White House back in 2020. I’m not sure that impeachment followed by a new Pence Administration is the best way to get there.

  177. 177.

    hueyplong

    September 5, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: If I were truly trying to be anonymous, I’d use someone else’s favorite phrase and not my own.

  178. 178.

    NotMax

    September 5, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    An anonymous op-ed?

    Gray Lady down.

  179. 179.

    Redshift

    September 5, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Congress basically gave away most of its power through lack of enforcement.

    Or by explicitly delegating it. All this crap Trump is doing with tariffs is because Congress have away that power to the executive.

  180. 180.

    Gelfling 545

    September 5, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    @Betty Cracker: If it weren’t in complete, mostly intelligible sentences I’d suspect Trump Himself.

  181. 181.

    Gravenstone

    September 5, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    @Mary G: I fail to see how an argument of “the adults are too actually in charge ” in the face of all the shit and misery perpetrated by this administration doesn’t strike me as a winner. And as a tool to demotivate the Democrats? Yeah, good luck with that!

  182. 182.

    sgrAstar

    September 5, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    @geg6: Preach it, geg6!

  183. 183.

    Jay

    September 5, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    @Mary G:

    Yup, that too.

  184. 184.

    JGabriel

    September 5, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Now off to read this very peculiar bit of… self-important cowardice? I’m not even sure how to describe it

    “We’re enabling Trump to disable him.”

    They’re grieving for their self-esteem. And this guy just reached the bargaining stage: he’s trying to get the rest of us to give him a moral pass on his double treachery – to the country and Trump – in order to feel better about himself, to convince himself he’s doing the right thing. Even though it’s clear that he’s not. He’s just making excuses for his own behavior to preserve his political beliefs, refusing to understand that the GOP’s political precepts are what led them to Trump in the first place.

    It’s all over the op-ed. Notice how he keeps talking about Conservatism/Republicanism as if it’s something separate from Trumpism, instead of the foundation Trumpism is built on.

  185. 185.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 5, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

    But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

    That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

    F you mister Orwellian idiot, those three paragraphs are impossible.

  186. 186.

    Aleta

    September 5, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    To Republicans: We are on your side !

    To Democrats: We are a lot like you !

    We are heroes bravely staying at our posts to save the country !!

    Help, help !!!

    We’re all in this together! We all allowed him to do this to us !

    Everyone loves McCain right ? Heed his words !

    Don’t go low ! Aim high ! (Stolen from Michelle w/o credit)
    Unite through our shared values and love of this great nation ! (Stolen from Barak w/o credit)

    everyday citizens / rising above politics / reaching across the aisle / shed labels /we’re all Americans
    (Barak, Barak, Barak, Barak, Barak)

    Questions for senior official:
    In what ways are you personally responsible for this situation?
    Whom did you vote for?
    What public support have you given President Obama? Hilary Clinton?
    Are you responsible for perpetuating lies about: HRC, immigrants, Black Lives Matter, Trump’s abuse of women, Pres and FL Obama?
    Are you willing to answer questions under oath in public to help the country?

    Assignment:
    Expand these answers in an op-ed.
    Read it on Fox news.

    We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.
    There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.

  187. 187.

    zhena gogolia

    September 5, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    @Mary G:

    How could anyone be reassured by this piece? It’s gut-wrenchingly terrifying.

  188. 188.

    Mary G

    September 5, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    Thread from a detective who think’s it’s Pence, because of the word “lodestar,” FFS.

    The @nytimes just published an anonymous op-ed from a "senior administration official." I'd like to posit a guess as to who wrote it. Getting my @ashleyfeinberg on began with a single word that jumped out at me… https://t.co/ajS2JI8WH2— Dan Bloom (@danbl00m) September 5, 2018

  189. 189.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 5, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: So, Mnuchin then

  190. 190.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    Trump at one point asked his military leaders why the United States couldn’t just withdraw from the Korean Peninsula. They explained to him that it would mean we wouldn’t know about North Korean missile launches for 15 minutes rather than learning about them almost instantly, within seven seconds. This is the flap that led Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to reportedly suggest Trump was intellectually and temperamentally akin to “a fifth- or sixth-grader.”

    What The Washington Post’s story Tuesday didn’t detail, though, is that this exchange didn’t happen early in; it came on Jan. 19, 2018 — almost exactly one full year into it. It came months after North Korea had threatened an attack on Guam, a U.S. territory in the Pacific Ocean. It also came a couple months after North Korea said it had developed a nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) that could reach the continental United States.

    What got Mattis’s goat, according to the book, was that he felt like they’d had this exact conversation many times before, and Trump refused to either remember or process it. As Mattis explained the reasons for a U.S.-South Korean alliance, Trump repeatedly returned to the idea that the United States is running a trade deficit with South Korea — suggesting the alliance was hurting the American economy. Mattis tried to explain that having troops in South Korea was actually the most cost-effective — and effective, period — means of preventing World War III. Trump, who often seems to misunderstand what exactly a trade deficit means, wouldn’t have it.

    “But we’re losing so much money in trade with South Korea and others,” Trump pushes back at one point, according to Woodward.

    At another: “We’re spending massive amounts for very rich countries who aren’t burden-sharing.”

    And at another: “I think we could be so rich if we weren’t so stupid. We’re being played [as] suckers, especially NATO.”

    Trump would argue this was merely him “question[ing] everybody and everything,” but it didn’t seem to come off that way to Mattis. According to Woodward’s reporting, it seemed to be Trump asking the same dumb middle-school-esque questions for the millionth time. And it drew a curt rebuke from Mattis that took those in the room aback.

    More details leaking.

  191. 191.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    @Aleta:

    We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue.

    I don’t see how this relates to John Fucking McCain. Who is still dead, thankfully.

  192. 192.

    MoxieM

    September 5, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    @TenguPhule: I’d say, can’t one of you professor types out there in Jackal-land use some of the anti-plagiarism software that was coming along (just about when I left academia and saved my own personal sanity). Shouldn’t be that hard to get a hit. Of course, knowing these snakes, one of ’em got some underling to write it just so it wasn’t directly traceable. Or not, giant egos and all.

    The honky-tonk Patsy Cline I cranked on just before dialing up Balloon-Juice is somehow very fitting background music.

  193. 193.

    Jay

    September 5, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    @Gravenstone:

    ReThugs are down to projection. They’ve been unmoored so long from reality, that they think their Daddy Issues also are in play with Democrats.

  194. 194.

    eemom

    September 5, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    I got it! It’s Zombie McCain ghost writing! ???

  195. 195.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    @Redshift:

    All this crap Trump is doing with tariffs is because Congress have away that power to the executive.

    not true. Trump is exploiting a specific exception that Congress gave the executive branch and is not being used as intended.

  196. 196.

    Gravenstone

    September 5, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    @TenguPhule: Why the fuck would it take fifteen minutes to detect an NK ICBM launch? There’s a reason we have a constellation of IR satellites in orbit that point earthward!

  197. 197.

    Betty Cracker

    September 5, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    My best guess is that it’s a joint effort by Mattis, McMaster and Pompeo — maybe Kelly too. Pompeo was the latest recruit to the coup plotters club after he got an up-close and personal view of Spanky’s cray-cray during the North Korea fiasco. On the other hand, it may be some self-important cockwaffle under one of those four.

  198. 198.

    Raoul

    September 5, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    I think publishing this is rather disgraceful. Yet again, we have so called grownups who can’t pull their fucking pants on and actually be seen and named as they tell the truth.

    It’s like I don’t give a shit each time some high level staffer or even member of Congress privately tells Rick Wilson how useless and terrible Trump is. Anonymously. OK, whatevs, you all are cowards and dismantling our system of governance. But you don’t like it. Ohhh.

  199. 199.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    @NotMax:

    Gray Lady down.

    Lie back and think of the Greenbacks.

  200. 200.

    oatler.

    September 5, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    They shake your hand and they smile
    And they buy you a drink
    They say we’ll be your friends
    We’ll stick with you till the end
    Ah but everybody’s only
    Looking out for themselves
    And you say well who can you trust
    I’ll tell you it’s just
    Nobody else’s money

  201. 201.

    Redshift

    September 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

    Ah yes, the catechism of St. Ronnie, cutting regulations to “help” businesses that don’t need it, regardless of the harm, cutting taxes for the rich “to boist the economy” that they claim was already breaking records, and spending more on the military whether they want it or not.

    Can’t imagine why they aren’t getting positive coverage for their retread policies that have failed for decades. Sad!

  202. 202.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    @Gravenstone:

    There’s a reason we have a constellation of IR satellites in orbit that point earthward!

    I presume the orbital time was the 15 minutes part.

  203. 203.

    Gex

    September 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    I like this version better.

  204. 204.

    Immanentize

    September 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    I don’t think Mattis would ever identify/align himself as a Republican like the author does.

  205. 205.

    El Caganer

    September 5, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    @David Fud: The eunuchs? The self-described ‘unhung zeroes?”

  206. 206.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    @Kent:

    and then we can start fresh.

    Never again.

    Republicans get no penance or credit for time served.

    Death Sentences or Exile for life. Nothing less.

  207. 207.

    Amir Khalid

    September 5, 2018 at 5:17 pm

    @zhena gogolia:
    The downfall of tne Trumpenreich would be, not a parody of Der Untergang, but a re-enactment.

  208. 208.

    The Moar You Know

    September 5, 2018 at 5:17 pm

    Actually I was wondering if you’d placed the word in the wrong spot.

    @TenguPhule: I did! No edit function and it didn’t seem worth the effort to fix.

  209. 209.

    JGabriel

    September 5, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    @Kent:

    Yes I want Trump gone but I also want the White House back in 2020. I’m not sure that impeachment followed by a new Pence Administration is the best way to get there.

    Pence would not be any more likely to win in 2020 than Ford was in 1976.

    In fact, Pence would be a great deal less likely, simply on the basis that he’s been part of the Trump maladministration from the get-go, and wouldn’t be able to portray himself as an outsider and a new start, the way Ford could with respect to Nixon.

  210. 210.

    karensky

    September 5, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    I am not down with this “anonymous op ed” concept. Publishing it is enabling this creep. Quit and leave, anonymouse, if you have a soul. If not, shut yer pie hole.

  211. 211.

    Jay

    September 5, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    @Gravenstone:

    It’s not about detecting a NORK rocket launch, it’s about establishing the trajectory enough to know it’s a shot at US targets rather than a test launch.

  212. 212.

    marian

    September 5, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    We have mechanisms to deal with an unfit President, but they don’t work when officials try to cover up his unfitness. They weren’t elected to decide which policies to implement, for our sins HE was. They need to step up and tell the public what’s going on so we can get him out of there

    A ‘constitutional crisis’ happens when you DON’T obey the constitution, not when you do.

  213. 213.

    catclub

    September 5, 2018 at 5:20 pm

    @Kent:

    the Trump Administration is looking forward to 2-years of endless rectal exams by Dems with subpoena power

    you seem to not remember how Dick Cheney resisted such subpoenas, then got the courts to not side too strenuously with the House.
    Two years of stalling seems easy enough. they have practice.

  214. 214.

    Raven Onthill

    September 5, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    There is a deep state and this is its manifesto.

  215. 215.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    @karensky: They think they are saving the country by staying. yadda yadda yadda

  216. 216.

    James E Powell

    September 5, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @catclub:

    Debt ceiling?

  217. 217.

    chopper

    September 5, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @Mary G:

    if i were the one who wrote this, i’d make sure to use language that implicated someone other than myself as the author. then again, i don’t think anyone in the WH is even that clever, so who knows.

  218. 218.

    JGabriel

    September 5, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    Via TenguPhule:

    As Mattis explained the reasons for a U.S.-South Korean alliance, Trump repeatedly returned to the idea that the United States is running a trade deficit with South Korea — suggesting the alliance was hurting the American economy. Mattis tried to explain that having troops in South Korea was actually the most cost-effective — and effective, period — means of preventing World War III. Trump, who often seems to misunderstand what exactly a trade deficit means, wouldn’t have it.

    “But we’re losing so much money in trade with South Korea and others,” Trump pushes back at one point, according to Woodward.

    Forehead -> Desk.

    This is what you get when you give power to a party and a president educated by Fox News.

  219. 219.

    Brachiator

    September 5, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    @Kdaug:

    Correct. It is, however, a grave political crisis. A crisis that could, in fact, destroy the two party system.

    And nobody with a vested interest wants that.

    The Republicans are already trying to destroy the two party system. They operate on the assumption that the GOP is the only party, ordained by God and dipped in patriotism, that has the right to govern the country.

    Still, using the 25th Amendment would only remove Trump, not all Republicans. And a new party forming from the remnants of an older party is not new, and is part of the US system of government.

  220. 220.

    hueyplong

    September 5, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    Now that I have an adult beverage, I’m kind of chuckling at the thought of what will go down when Trump figures out who AnonOpEd is.

    And the surge of “bravery” that erupts among others in the room/wing/whatever while it’s happening. Night of the geschissene Hosen

  221. 221.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    @Another Scott: oh OK

  222. 222.

    feebog

    September 5, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    @eemom:

    I was thinking McGhan as well. In the west wing, in the know in terms of a lot of policy decisions, and with one foot out the door already.

  223. 223.

    Baud

    September 5, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    I’m going with Melania. I think Obama making her smile won her over.

  224. 224.

    Aleta

    September 5, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    @Aleta: Sorry I misspelled Barack. I’m sorry, Mr. President. (I was writing some stuff with Arabic names and I blame autocorrect I am innocent.)

  225. 225.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: nope

  226. 226.

    piratedan

    September 5, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    and you can’t tell me that the GOP leadership in both the House and the Senate aren’t aware of the political situation as it exists and are simply going along because it suits their agenda….

  227. 227.

    Calouste

    September 5, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    @JGabriel: It’s like arguing that the supermarket is stealing from you because you have to pay them for food.

  228. 228.

    MazeDancer

    September 5, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    No courage cookies for martyr/savior types who.just love the judges and tax cuts but won’t do the right thing.

  229. 229.

    phantomist

    September 5, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    I think it’s Steven Moore.(economic advisor)

    From an op-ed in the Winnetka Current in 2011:
    https://archive.li/NdRSq

    “In most newspapers, the least read part of the paper is the editorial page,” said Moore, who is also a regular contributor on CNN, Fox and numerous other media outlets. “The Wall Street Journal may be the only one in the country in which it is the most read. I think even Ben Bernanke is reading it every day.”

    The Journal’s editorial page is steadfast in its championship of free market capitalism.

    “‘Free minds. Free markets. Free people.’ That is the current that goes through every editorial,” Moore told The Wilmette Beacon in a recent interview.

    It is also the current that runs through Moore.

    “I’ve always been an individualist,” he said. “Someone who believes you should get rewarded for your own work.”

    Moore, 51, attended Winnetka’s Saints Faith Hope & Charity School (He had “a great time” at his 35th anniversary class reunion.) and graduated from New Trier East in 1978. He still has family in the area, including sister Kathy Dodd in Wilmette.
    _______
    Stole this from a commenter at Deadspin.

  230. 230.

    Calouste

    September 5, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    This whole thing must blow up, right? And the author must have known that. I think that at the moment the shitgibbon just doesn’t want the author caught and sacked, he literally wants to have them shot.

  231. 231.

    Mike in DC

    September 5, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    It will be fun to see testimony from the 50 or 60 cabinet secretaries and undersecretaries regarding the alleged 25th amendment debate. Once a Dem committee subpoenas them next year.

  232. 232.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) delved into Kavanaugh’s views on Obama’s health-care law. In their private meeting, Kavanaugh said he could not assure the senator that he would uphold the law’s requirement that insurance companies provide health-care coverage to people with preexisting medical conditions.

    To make that assurance, Kavanaugh said on Wednesday, would compromise his independence as a judge because the issue could make its way to the Supreme Court.

    There’s Trump’s fifth vote to overturn the ACA.

  233. 233.

    Uncle Cosmo

    September 5, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    @eemom: “Ghost writers in disguise….”

  234. 234.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    @Calouste: If this is an IC decoy operation, its well thought out.

  235. 235.

    Ohio Mom

    September 5, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    I’m casting my vote for the theory this was written by a group.

    What they actually hope to accomplish by publishing this I can’t tell: Are they sending out an SOS? Trying to save their own asses or those of the GOP by distancing one and all from Trump? Looking to be named heros? Something else?

    But I’m guessing they are going to be very surprised when they hear others think they have, in effect, committed a coup. I don’t think any of them have it in them to see things from that angle.

  236. 236.

    hueyplong

    September 5, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    Kinda wish Omarosa were around to record the upcoming fecal spray event.

  237. 237.

    Dan B

    September 5, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    @lollipopguild: Yeah, it really bothers me that terrorizing refugees, people of color, and Muslim Americans has made America safer. The MSM and much of the internet is averse to mentioning that there are himan beings living in fear because of the policies of the Trump wing of the GOP.

    As a gay man I’m fearful of what will happen with Kavanaugh and what would happen with Pence. I’m afraid for what horrors will be visited upon all minorities (except billionaires) when global warming becomes severe. The csmpaign is already underway to dehumanize us.

  238. 238.

    Baud

    September 5, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    @TenguPhule: You can’t count. He would replace Kennedy, who had already voted to overturn the ACA. It’s Roberts who was the 5th vote to save it.

  239. 239.

    pat

    September 5, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    I went to the nytimes and read the article and tried to download the 1384 comments and they are not coming. Still loading…….
    Bet the servers are overwhelmed?

  240. 240.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 5, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    @TenguPhule: Kennedy voted against the ACA.

  241. 241.

    Miss Bianca

    September 5, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Oh, btw…completely o/t, but re your guitar geek question, my expert source says: “Fender champ 100 is too loud. Blackstar for the traditionalist. Marshall for the modernist.” Hope that helps!

  242. 242.

    Jeffro

    September 5, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: like I said, Nikki Haley

  243. 243.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    @Baud: Roberts upheld it on the power of Congress to tax, not on the pre-existing condition requirement. Strip that out and the ACA is effectively a hollowed out zombie.

  244. 244.

    Ohio Mom

    September 5, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    @pat: I just tried the same thing. Up to over 1,400 comments. I wonder if they will pull out the most interesting for the print edition.

  245. 245.

    Baud

    September 5, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    @TenguPhule: The pre-existing condition requirement is already hollowed out because there’s no penalty any more. The issue is whether the other parts of the ACA are severable from it. Admittedly a new question, but it’s still Roberts who would have to switch sides and go crazy.

  246. 246.

    Aleta

    September 5, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    @TenguPhule:This lodestar gave in to pressure from Bush and weakened his Congressional act against torture to exclude the CIA. Today in a daydream it crossed my mind whether Kavanaugh could be softened up before tomorrow. This is an example of what “we as a nation have allowed the Republicans to do to (some of) us,” like me.

  247. 247.

    Miss Bianca

    September 5, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    @pat: Server blow-up – that’s what I am betting. I got to read a few of them before they stopped loading, and the comments were as scathing and on-point as anything any jackal could have come up with. Made this little old fictional mouse feel proud, it did. A lot of intelligent people are completely fucking outraged out there, and they are giving Mr(s). Unhung Zero (love that phrase – stealing from above!) no quarter.

  248. 248.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 5, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    @eemom:

    I got it! It’s Zombie McCain ghost writing! ???

    Ok, that’s genuinely funny. Whistling past the graveyard, as it were.

  249. 249.

    oatler.

    September 5, 2018 at 5:46 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: A pun worthy of the death penalty.

  250. 250.

    Ohio Mom

    September 5, 2018 at 5:46 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Considering the Times moderates their comments, they
    must have a veritable army of reviewers working today. How else could there be 1,400+ comments ready to go?

  251. 251.

    Nettoyeur

    September 5, 2018 at 5:46 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: Trump has a Simple Principle: It’s good to be King.

  252. 252.

    VeniceRiley

    September 5, 2018 at 5:48 pm

    In what universe is a constitutional crisis precipitated by using the remedy provided for in the constitution? Instead, they made one up that makes these unelected staffers shadow presidents. Good lord! They do suffer from Republican Rationalization Disease.

  253. 253.

    Frank Wilhoit

    September 5, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    @The Moar You Know: No, there is a third choice, which is really the only possible choice:

    Acknowledge (as everyone already knows but no one will say) that the 1787 Constitution has been abrogated and is no longer in force.

  254. 254.

    Elizabelle

    September 5, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Good to hear. I could not get the NY Times reader comments to load.

    What crazy train days we are living through. Would you ever have seen an op ed like this from any previous administration?

    Also, you can see the attempt to insulate Republicans from Trump. Uh, no. We can see you.

  255. 255.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 5, 2018 at 5:52 pm

    Steve Benen’s perspective:

    It’s a bit of a challenge to understand the motivation behind the piece. The author seems determined, for example, to reassure the public that there’s a structure in place to contain Trump’s madness and prevent him from doing catastrophic harm.

    But there’s nothing heartening about these circumstances. If the author is correct, the nation is being led by a man who is clearly unwell.

    He/she acknowledges some behind-the-scenes chatter about a 25th Amendment solution, which was dismissed to avoid a “constitutional crisis.” But the fact of the matter is that if the head of a global superpower’s executive branch is unstable, and White House decisions are being made by an unelected and unaccountable team of aides who are circumventing and undermining a mad president, that is a constitutional crisis.

    I realize a parlor game will soon take root, and the search for the op-ed’s author will be intense. But at least for now, the genuinely scary message seems more important than the messenger.

  256. 256.

    Baud

    September 5, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    @Frank Wilhoit: There’s a fourth choice. Acknowledge that we can’t govern ourselves and abrogate the Declaration of Independence and have QE II take over.

  257. 257.

    randy khan

    September 5, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    @hueyplong:

    Now that I have an adult beverage, I’m kind of chuckling at the thought of what will go down when Trump figures out who AnonOpEd is.

    I’m more amused by the thought that he will spend a lot of effort trying to figure out who it is and railing against everyone when he can’t. (I really hope that nobody does a definitive piece figuring out who it is – that would spoil the fun.)

  258. 258.

    Citizen_X

    September 5, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    @eemom: Maybe it’s something the dying McCain plotted (with his daughter?) so he could reach up and strike from beyond the grave. (I mean, it’s not, but it would be fun, no?)

    “Now we gotta make it sound convincing, so that people believe it.”
    “Dad, I don’t know, are you sure about this?”
    “Come on, honey, get in the spirit! Fuck those guys! We get this right, and those assholes will all be stabbing each other in the back to prove they’re not the perpetrator!”

  259. 259.

    Barbara

    September 5, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    @Jeffro: No, an opportunist like Haley is not going to piss off the base. I would bet this is somebody really well-connected to financial industry donors, and my wild card candidate would be Jeff Sessions. There are things that he has done that have made no sense to me, and he would be the one who would focus on making the nation safer (safer for whom?). His job is also in danger so he might not feel he has a lot to lose at this point.

  260. 260.

    Miss Bianca

    September 5, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    @Citizen_X: OK, for some reason, I’m enjoying that scenario way, way more than I think I ought to be…

  261. 261.

    Mnemosyne

    September 5, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    @phantomist:

    graduated from New Trier East

    That explains it.
    /old high school rivalries

  262. 262.

    Quinerly

    September 5, 2018 at 6:06 pm

    Forum’s piece in The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/this-is-a-constitutional-crisis/569443/

  263. 263.

    MoxieM

    September 5, 2018 at 6:06 pm

    @Baud: Or, Hey! we could get Harry–he’s already got an American wife. Competing monarchies of dunderheads.

  264. 264.

    Quinerly

    September 5, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    @Quinerly: Frum”s piece.

    Autocorrect and the lack of an edit button….

  265. 265.

    eemom

    September 5, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    @Citizen_X:

    Zacktly. One last delicious fuck you from him to trump from beyond the grave. Hell, he apparently spent the entire last week of his life painstakingly planning his various fuck yous to trump.

  266. 266.

    Elizabelle

    September 5, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    Finally, the NY Times reader comments will load. Here is a good one.

    “There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.”

    If those are bright spots, what does darkness look like?

  267. 267.

    JPL

    September 5, 2018 at 6:11 pm

    @Baud: She would only do it because she felt she was snubbed by not being invited to the
    funeral.

  268. 268.

    debbie

    September 5, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    I’d like him to explain his thinking as to why there should be disparate treatment for people who have existing conditions. Why is it health insurers should be protected from the kinds of risks other businesses/corporations take?

  269. 269.

    debbie

    September 5, 2018 at 6:19 pm

    Pity not to see a word about immigration.

    I too think it’s McGahn. He seems like the kind of guy that would leave in disgust, but still try to stand up for SHS et al.

  270. 270.

    Jay C

    September 5, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

    SRSLY? What “policies”? and HOW? Outside of the Republican-originated tax windfall for billionaires that Trump signed off on, how are “we” any more prosperous than “we” might be if Trump weren’t President? And “safer”? Why? Because all those Central American toddlers have been separated from their parents and tossed into cages?

    Wow. MAGA…..

  271. 271.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 5, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    According to the Talking Points Memo over this intertubes thingy Trump was in full today over this and his staffers are taking turns denying they are the source. Sounds like some high quality trolling there. Hopefully the Dem candidate for 2020 will take note “Well that guy’s own staff publicly calls him an idiot and refuses to follow his orders.”

  272. 272.

    Seanly

    September 5, 2018 at 6:25 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Concur 100% with that sentiment, TenguPhule.

    Their terrible agenda is still terrible. The Democratic Party needs to take back the House, maybe Senate, along with gains in state & local governments. We have to position now to regain the Senate & Presidency in 2020. I still have my doubts about Trump being President after Feb 2019, but Pence will be just as bad policy-wise.

  273. 273.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 5, 2018 at 6:28 pm

    Haven’t read the (270 and counting!) comments yet, so apologies if someone already posted this, but Mr. Charles P. Pierce is en fuego over this.

  274. 274.

    SFAW

    September 5, 2018 at 6:28 pm

    @oatler.:

    A pun worthy of the death penalty.

    You are just pissed that he thought of it first.

  275. 275.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 5, 2018 at 6:30 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    What they actually hope to accomplish by publishing this I can’t tell: Are they sending out an SOS? Trying to save their own asses or those of the GOP by distancing one and all from Trump? Looking to be named heros? Something else?

    Deriai that Supreme Court nominee, enough of this and even the Republicans will start wonder why Trump really chose that guy. At the very lest this op ed and the book make the Republican look like petty, spiteful, a-holes even in victory right before the midterms.

  276. 276.

    veniceriley

    September 5, 2018 at 6:30 pm

    Pence, it is pointed out, uses the word “lodestar” in speeches A LOT. And other suspects do not.

  277. 277.

    Bill Arnold

    September 5, 2018 at 6:31 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    Can’t be Pence. Too many big words and no mention of Jesus.

    I’m more than half tempted to spend the evening playing with stylometry, e.g. Introduction to stylometry with Python (2018-04-21)
    With some effort (even manual) one can disguise their authorship against some (probably all) of these techniques; presumably the op-ed author has tried a bit at least.

  278. 278.

    Elizabelle

    September 5, 2018 at 6:34 pm

    @veniceriley: Then maybe the author(s) used “lodestar” to make Trump sleep even less easily, wondering if Pence is in on it too.

  279. 279.

    Paul in KY

    September 5, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    @MCA1: He’s mored to one discernible 1st principle: ‘What do I think is good for Donald, right now, at this point in time, & fuck everybody else’.

  280. 280.

    Susanna

    September 5, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    Keep in mind the Republicans are as anxious to not have a catastrophic loss as much as the Democrats want a largesse win.

    Imagine – some(ones) pulls this off, offering reassurance when Trump is visibly wobbling. They later can scoop the roasted egg from the NYT. Big double win from the jaws of defeat.

    An election is coming that might well affect the one in 2020. It for sure will provide enormous momentum for whichever side wins in November, and will be worthy of this scam at all cost.

  281. 281.

    Juju

    September 5, 2018 at 6:37 pm

    I think it could be Mnuchin,except I don’t know if he would recognize anything relating to amoral unless it was pasted on a bus heading his way. It could be Alexander Acosta. That’s my second guess.

  282. 282.

    Paul in KY

    September 5, 2018 at 6:39 pm

    @Chip Daniels: You are disparaging the Emperor Claudius, to compare him to Mike Fucking Pence. Jeezus….

  283. 283.

    Aleta

    September 5, 2018 at 6:40 pm

    @Baud: It would be humbling to be saved by a coalition of the willing.

  284. 284.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 6:42 pm

    @Baud:

    There’s a fourth choice. Acknowledge that we can’t govern ourselves and abrogate the Declaration of Independence and have QE II take over.

    Theresa May is even dumber and more incompetent then Trump and not as lazy.

    So that’s not an option.

  285. 285.

    MomSense

    September 5, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    I don’t even have words left for how angry this makes me. They all know. They all fucking know how dangerously unfit he is and they want us to just trust them that they are adequate babysitters for the man baby in chief.

    And of course our media will rent their garments about who it might be since they apparently majored in gossip in journalism school. Why aren’t they fucking getting McConnell and Ryan and the rest of GOP leadership, at a minimum, what they are going to do about this crisis to our country.

    Ryan will probably say he hasn’t read it. McConnell will mumble some bullshit and the present will go back to gossiping about who wrote the op-ed.

    Am I supposed to feel better that these adults who are protecting us from our president considered the 25th amendment? They haven’t invoked it because they don’t want to cause a crisis? Jesus fucking Christ the 25th amendment is the remedy to a big fucking crisis. We are in crisis!

  286. 286.

    Paul in KY

    September 5, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Sessions is a good guess, IMO.

  287. 287.

    MomSense

    September 5, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    @MomSense:

    Present should be press. There are more errors but I can’t deal with it now.

  288. 288.

    debbie

    September 5, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    @Immanentize:

    The wording just doesn’t sound like how Sessions has sounded over the decades we’ve endured his presence.

  289. 289.

    TenguPhule

    September 5, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    @MomSense:

    and they want us to just trust them that they are adequate babysitters for the man baby in chief.

    Worse, they want us to trust these cowards to steer the ship of state.

  290. 290.

    Mai Naem mobile

    September 5, 2018 at 6:51 pm

    I don’t think its Haley. She’s in NY. I think this person is in the. WH more if not most of the time. I also don’t think its Pence. The language is too sophisticated. Its somebody who’s been there since the beginning who’s got some writing skills and possibly a legal education. My guess is McGahn because hes out the door and hes spent time with Mueller. Maybe Pompeo. Outside chance Mnuchin because of the prosperity comment. Its obviously somebody who wants to look good after the shit hits te he fan with Mueller and/or next year if the Dems get some power.

  291. 291.

    Mai Naem mobile

    September 5, 2018 at 6:53 pm

    Can I just bring up another thing for the millionth time? What would the Republicans do if this was Obama or any Democrat?

  292. 292.

    Bill Arnold

    September 5, 2018 at 6:53 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Haley working in concert with Pence. Mike moves up, Nikki becomes VP. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

    For those who don’t recall this from earlier in 2018,
    UN ambassador Nikki Haley ‘is as ambitious as Lucifer’ and ‘much smarter than Trump’ say rival aides who fear she is becoming his heir apparent (Daily Mail just for fun, 5 January 2018)

    Haley had decided by October 2017 that ‘Trump’s tenure would last, at best, a single term’, and thought she could be his heir apparent – something the president’s inner circle has seen as a danger.

    The Woodward book/op-ed are, combined, pretty scary stuff. (As potential bad behavior triggers.) I (seriously) hope/wish that DJTrump’s aides keep him laser-focused on the intra-adminstration-leaker/witch-hunt. (Cats don’t have a nuclear football to play with if they get bored with the other cat toys.)

  293. 293.

    Shana

    September 5, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: Ding ding ding!

  294. 294.

    Brachiator

    September 5, 2018 at 6:59 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    UN ambassador Nikki Haley ‘is as ambitious as Lucifer’ and ‘much smarter than Trump’ say rival aides who fear she is becoming his heir apparent

    A lump of coal is smarter than Trump. I don’t see that Haley has much of a base. And Trump supporters are afraid of wimmins.

  295. 295.

    Bess

    September 5, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    @JPL: Late to the discussion, as usual. Perhaps someone has already covered this –

    It may not be a good idea to assume that there are word combinations that would identify the author. I doubt this was written as published and shoved under the editorial door.

    There was probably editorial input. “This phrase seems to point to you (the author). What about putting item one in second or third place? What about using a less occupation-identifying term?”

  296. 296.

    cain

    September 5, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    @Princess:

    That being said, it highlights once again the criminal negligence of the GOP who know all of this too and could end this at any time, and choose not to.

    There should be hearings on this too! Drag party officials in front of congress. Senators, Representatives, judges, all of em!

  297. 297.

    Shana

    September 5, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    @JMG: I have seen nothing out of Ivanka to indicate she could have written something this complex and logical. I know it’s not very complex, and the logic is shit, but still.

  298. 298.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 5, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    Ah what a way to start humpday evening. Beat the rain home on the bike to find MrsFromOhio cooking up a couple of sheets of Turkey meatballs and a pot of sauce, peel the monkey suit to relax with a smoke and a Manhattan on the patio while a gentle thunderstorm waters the back 40, and Sweet Fancy Moses! Would you just take a look at this comment thread! Already pumped from another day of KaaaaaavEnoughYet, could be a good night to eat well, get hammered, watch Rachel and plan the invasion of the South before the dumpster fire finally orders a nuclear strike on the White House.

    If I live a hundred more lives for a thousand years each, I will never forgive the Republicans for what evil they have visited on this country. Even if The Phantom Of The Op-Ed takes out the orange fartcloud with a butter knife later tonight, may they all rot in hell.

  299. 299.

    J R in WV

    September 5, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    @Keith P.:

    Reading it, with its foreign policy focus and adult sentence construction, I was thinking it was Nikki Haley.

    Too adult sentence construction!

    Plus, is she in the West Wing enough to actually do these things? Doesn’t she have an office at the UN?

  300. 300.

    Spanky

    September 5, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    @Immanentize: Ditto. It’s Sessions. It’s the weasel’s stunted attempt at fighting back.

  301. 301.

    J R in WV

    September 5, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    @feebog:

    Quite the opposite is true. If you know Trump is mentally unfit for office, it is your obligation to invoke the 25th amendment. Failing to do so is the constitutional crisis.

    Absolute true, and a great point. The crisis is now, because the rest of the government is not willing to put the orange monster down.

  302. 302.

    Betty Cracker

    September 5, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    @MomSense: Co-signed. Every word.

  303. 303.

    Kdaug

    September 5, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    @Brachiator: Two new parties: Trumpers and never-Trumpers

  304. 304.

    Kdaug

    September 5, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: “… their pens were still on fire and their laptops made of steel…”

  305. 305.

    Shakti

    September 5, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    We’re being taunted. I figured that somebody would write that exact op-ed with all the “leaks” that have happened. This is really just If I Did It, the electoral version by Deep Throat, But Dumber!.

  306. 306.

    jimmiraybob

    September 5, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    Gitmo until the gallows could be built.

  307. 307.

    Bess

    September 5, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    Pierce

    Just shut up and quit.

    Bad advice. Their replacement could go along with starting WWIII. The pool of people willing to take a position in this White House must be getting more stagnant every day. The least bad are likely wading out.

    Anything that lowers the level of danger should be maintained. If that’s someone who was drinking the Kool Aid when they accepted the job but has come to see things clearer, well, that’s the best roadblock we’ve got in place. Not the roadblock we’d like, but the roadblock we have.

  308. 308.

    jimmiraybob

    September 5, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    @Aleta:

    It would be humbling to be saved by a coalition of the willing.

    It would be exhilerating to be saved by a coalition of the informed voter.

  309. 309.

    PaulWartenberg

    September 5, 2018 at 8:13 pm

    the person who wrote the Op-Ed is a coward.

    as long as trump remains president, the Republicans will profit from his amorality, and from the chaos trump sows across the landscape.

    if that Op-Ed writer wants to be a goddamn hero, if the White House administrators and Cabinet members truly believe trump is THAT insane, INVOKE THE 25th AMENDMENT NOW. We have had clear sign of its need ever since DAY ONE when trump lied about his inauguration turnout, for GOD’S SAKE.

  310. 310.

    J R in WV

    September 5, 2018 at 9:41 pm

    @Kdaug:

    And nobody with a vested interest wants that.

    How long have you been a Russo-Republican operative, sucker? Because you sure aren’t in the Democratic party!

  311. 311.

    J R in WV

    September 5, 2018 at 9:43 pm

    @Kent:

    I’m not sure that impeachment followed by a new Pence Administration is the best way to get there.

    No, no… Indictment of Pence, followed by Impeachment. I’ve been preaching that correct order for months now. Nearly years!!

  312. 312.

    Procopius

    September 5, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    … would the NYT do this for a first assistant undersecretary at Treasury?

    Who knows? Look what they did for Chalabi.

  313. 313.

    Tehanu

    September 5, 2018 at 11:30 pm

    @dr. bloor:

    Apparently, then, these heroes are OK with tearing kids from their parents and putting them in cages.
    They can all die in the same fire, AFAIC.

    And the sooner, the better.

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