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Technically true, but collectively nonsense

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Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

Usually wrong but never in doubt

“But what about the lurkers?”

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

The words do not have to be perfect.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

“More of this”, i said to the dog.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

The revolution will be supervised.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

This blog will pay for itself.

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  10. 10.

    debbie

    The sentence is fine with me. He’s provided information and made public statements that Trump, Sessions, and others knew what they were doing in regard to getting info about Hillary from the Russians.

  14. 14.

    ruemara

    @oatler.: I join the chorus of saying you need to batten down your rape fantasies. Keep in your personal emails to your buds, if you have to go there.

    Subvert democracy and try to sell out a nation to a foreign power, 14 days. Make a mistake while voting, 10 months.

  15. 15.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Baud: I was thinking that there is good chance Manifort might spend more time I jail before the trial than after it thanks to Manifort’s bail idiocy. The irony.

  18. 18.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    What is Twitler babbling about here?

    14 days for $28 MILLION – $2 MILLION a day, No Collusion. A great day for America!

  20. 20.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @oatler.: That’s better, if a tad perfunctory.

    OTOH, WTF? 14 days? That’s not enough time to write a letter, unless you’re MLK, Jr.

  23. 23.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Well according the article the conviction is over lying to the FBI, not treason,and the real sentience is 200 hours of community service and 12 months of supervised release.so a good possibility more charges for Mr Papadopoulos in the future.

  24. 24.

    HeleninEire

    @Baud: Give him a 14 day cramping, hurling, no sleeping, bleeding like you’re dying of blood loss period. Yeah. He’ll confess. Trust me. I would have.

    Also too? Getting old is AWESOME. Cuz that shit is over.

  25. 25.

    debbie

    I lack the time to read all the comments today and I see Betty addressed Trump’s anonymonimousity, but have these Tweets been posted?

    This hilarious, too-candid guy behind Trump was deemed an unsuitable background prop by the Trump choreographers. He was replaced (see next tweet) with someone who could actually feign enthusiasm for Dear Leader. pic.twitter.com/zwkXk0YP9L— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) September 7, 2018

    and

    Here he is being replaced (and he's not the only one). “Kimmy, could we get someone in from the cattle call to replace the too-honest guy in the plaid? He’s a crisis. We need an actor!”pic.twitter.com/EEP4XdksG4— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) September 7, 2018

    Be sure to watch both short videos. I love that they thought the public swapping in and out of backgrounders wouldn’t go unnoticed!

  29. 29.

    Mary G

    The judge was probably afraid Mrs. Papa would stalk him for life. I have no problem with the time, he spilled on the higher-ups, who should get years and years.

  30. 30.

    Lee

    He flipped and more than likely is going to help bring down Roger Stone.

    At least as far as I can tell he was the first to flip that eventually lead to Stone.

  32. 32.

    Miss Bianca

    @oatler.: I’d appreciate an apology too, bud. That last little crack of yours was just as disgusting as the first. I’m glad that you appear to at least have the grace to be ashamed of yourself before our SiubhanDuinne.

  33. 33.

    HeleninEire

    @debbie: LOL I got those fibroids taken the FUCK out 5 years ago. I won that battle. I am told they are back but birth control pills have stopped the hemorrhaging. Yay, me.

  35. 35.

    oatler.

    @Miss Bianca: I’ll apologize to you to, Miss B. I’ve been calloused by mainstream acceptance of prison rape jokes, and I admit it’s a grim reality. Remember the “don’t drop the soap” jokes?

  37. 37.

    Miss Bianca

    @oatler.: I accept your apology. And I do remember those times, but times change, people change. Amazingly so, in some cases and with some issues.

  47. 47.

    TriassicSands

    @Baud:

    Fourteen days without golf. Yes, cruel and unusual, but one of the few things that would get his attention. Oh, and no Twitter. (The former is to punish Trump; the latter is for us.) He’d sing like a canary.

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    Trump math is the BEST math, believe me.

    We’ll get it down to less than a million per conviction/guilty plea, believe me.

  53. 53.

    debbie

    @JPL:

    See the final paragraph below.

    Papadopoulos has never publicly named those within the Trump campaign he told about the offer of emails from the professor, but he has said he was in regular touch with campaign chairman Paul Manafort, campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and other top campaign officials.

    He also used his connections to the professor to seek to broker a meeting between Trump and Putin. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who ran the Trump campaign foreign policy operation, has said he quickly rejected that idea when Papadopoulos raised it at a meeting in March 2016.

    But in a pre-sentencing filing last week, Papadopoulos’s lawyers presented a different account, saying that candidate Trump “nodded with approval and deferred to Mr. Sessions who appeared to like the idea and stated that the campaign should look into it.”

  56. 56.

    Cermet

    The only way he got that easy a sentence is because Mueller wanted it – both because he provided what they wanted and to show that if people do deals, they get very light sentences – that should help others decide to talk when they are caught so the big fish get nailed, later.

  57. 57.

    trollhattan

    @Miss Bianca:
    Speaking of corporate hilarity.

    “There was speculation that the Nike/Kaepernick campaign would lead to a drop in sales, but our data over the last week does not support that theory,” Hetal Pandya, co-founder of Edison Trends, tells Marketwatch.

    “Nike’s online sales actually grew 31% from the Sunday of Labor Day weekend through Tuesday, as compared with a 17% gain recorded for the same period of 2017,” Marketwatch adds.

    Trump is opposed to NFL players kneeling in silent protest of police killings of Black people. He has also called Kaepernick a “son of a bitch.”

    Meanwhile, interest in Nike stock is also jumping.

    “Nike has grown in popularity among millennial investors after releasing its controversial Colin Kaepernick ad,” Business Insider reports. “A total of 15,191 investors added Nike to their portfolios on Robinhood this week, up 45% from last week. Investors on Robinhood are buying Nike stock 300% more than they are selling, compared to 12% last week,” Robinhood’s data scientist Sahill Poddar told Business Insider on Tuesday. “Investors in Oregon, where Nike is headquartered, are buying the stock 850% more than they are selling.”

    The popularity of Nike’s stock has jumped 20 points as well.

    They can measure a stock’s popularity?

  61. 61.

    dmsilev

    @Miss Bianca: The weed bit is kind of a red herring. It’s the executives leaving, especially the chief accountant who quit after ~3 weeks on the job, that have people worried. Also, Musk continuing to beg for the mother of all defamation lawsuits by still lobbing completely unsubstantiated pedophilia accusations at a rescue diver probably doesn’t help.

  62. 62.

    debbie

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  69. 69.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @oatler.:
    Fuck that shit. You can still want someone to get properly punished by the law without wishing they would get raped. There’s horrible. If you think rape (or any crime) is horrible than you have to think it’s horrible in every case. It’s called having principles.

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    This is kind of hilarious, from Gabriel Sherman

    According to three sources, Jared and Ivanka floated a theory on Wednesday that Kelly could be behind the Times op-ed. Under this scenario, the sources said, the op-ed was written by Zachary Fuentes, the deputy chief of staff, at the direction of Kelly. Jared and Ivanka have told people they suspect this because Kelly is the only one with an ego so large as to have convinced himself that he’s saving the country from Trump, …
    Trump disagreed with their theory, an outside adviser said. He told one ally that the op-ed was possibly written by someone who wants to derail Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing by weakening the president this week, according to a person familiar with the conversation. Ivanka has been frustrated that her father won’t take action against Kelly, an outside adviser said. She’s told people that Trump still sees Kelly as a “John Wayne figure,” and that Trump is worried that if Kelly is fired, he’ll become even more dangerous as an outside critic.

  74. 74.

    JPL

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: hmmpf Kelly would not be dangerous to trump as an outsider , since he’s happy to see the borders closed. He might be upset that he didn’t stay at Homeland Security so he could oversee the separation of the children from their parents.

  80. 80.

    Mandalay

    I’ll admit I’ve never been a fan at the best of times, but Griffin claiming she has been persecuted because she’s a woman is really unhelpful. I find it completely credible that she has been unfairly yanked around by our government, but the moral of that story is don’t do a skit mixing a president and death. Griffin constantly playing the victim is odious. Zero sympathy…

    Comedian Kathy Griffin in an interview that aired Friday on “Rising” said that the government singled her out after she posted a photo of her holding a fake severed head resembling President Trump because she’s a woman.

    “I was on the no-fly list, and I had to be interrogated, like I said, by the feds under oath,” Griffin told Hill.TV’s Jamal Simmons on Thursday.

    “That also didn’t happen to any of the other guys who supposedly threatened the president, and I was singled out, and I think it’s because I’m a woman, and probably because I’m 57, and I don’t have a big network or studio behind me,” she continued.

  81. 81.

    Sloane Ranger

    @HeleninEire: You tell em! And you didn’t even mention the increased laundry because no sanitary product yet designed can handle the blood flow.

  82. 82.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @jl: @JPL: IIRC Jarvanka are among the people Kelly makes it harder to see Daddy (Like they don’t have access to the residence and his cell phone, but she is The. First DAUGHTER! you know Tiffany read that and was like, yah, no shit). And I think they also resent the stories about him calling trump stupid.

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    @mdblanche:

    I’m less “Producers” and more Howard Hughes. Hughes also had his team of devoted acolytes who covered for his growing insanity.

  87. 87.

    Mandalay

    @Emma:

    so no free speech for people you don’t like

    Nice strawman. I’m always strongly against anyone joking about the death of the current president. If that’s an infringement on free speech so be it. The stakes are sky high, and there are too many wackos out there who only need the slightest encouragement.

    So her tacky skit was bad enough, but for Griffin to claim she’s a victim over that because she’s a woman is just absurd.

    And if you believe so strongly in your right to joke about such stuff, post a joke about it right now. Just don’t be surprised when you get a knock on your door.

  88. 88.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mandalay:

    People were calling Griffin’s sister in the hospital and berating her while she was undergoing cancer treatment. Are you unfamiliar with how these harassment campaigns unfold even after GamerGate?

  90. 90.

    dmsilev

    @Emma: Death threats against a current President have always been a Bad Idea, regardless of who said President is. She absolutely should have expected a nice sit-down and chat with the Secret Service.

    That said, harassment campaigns against Griffin from Deplorable Nation are also bad.

  92. 92.

    Mandalay

    @Mnemosyne:

    People were calling Griffin’s sister in the hospital and berating her while she was undergoing cancer treatment. Are you unfamiliar with how these harassment campaigns unfold even after GamerGate?

    That’s not cool, and I have sympathy for Griffin’s sister as a wholly innocent victim, but I have none for Kathy Griffin. You joke about the life of our president – even one you loathe – and you deservedly face consequences.

    The ugly attacks on Kathy Griffin’s sister show exactly why you shouldn’t makes jokes about the president dying. Just don’t ever go there. It’s no a difficult concept, though it seems to elude you.

  93. 93.

    Starfish

    @oatler.: Two things have happened that have led to the death of prison rape jokes. One thing is that rape jokes, in general, have gone away. The other thing is that there is a lot of activism around prisoners’ rights and seeing prisoners as humans worthy of dignity. Sixteen prisoners died in the Mississippi prison system in August.

  95. 95.

    Emma

    @dmsilev: I do not in any way object to her getting a visit from the Secret Service. That’s part of the deal. Biut if her career is being threatened in any way by the usual Trump buddies, then damn right it’s a freedom of speech thing.

  96. 96.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mandalay:

    The ugly attacks on Kathy Griffin’s sister show exactly why you shouldn’t makes jokes about the president dying. Just don’t ever go there. It’s no a difficult concept, though it seems to elude you.

    I guess I just don’t have your enlightened attitude about how we need to force innocent family members to suffer because their sister made a lame photographed joke about how much she hates Trump.

    If Griffin didn’t want to get strip-searched at every airport in the US for two years, then she shouldn’t have made the joke. It certainly doesn’t say anything scary about our government that they would punish a private citizen using their police powers because that private citizen made a joke that the government didn’t like.

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    @dmsilev:

    It’s the whole part where Griffin was cleared of being an actual threat and then harassed by TSA for the next two years that I find disturbing. Mandalay is fine with the US government extrajudicially punishing someone for a joke they didn’t like. I am not.

  99. 99.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Mandalay:
    That’s not her sister’s fault. Harassing family members is wrong and shouldn’t be excused because her Griffin may have made a joke in poor taste. That’s like arguing that a son should be executed for the murders committed by the father, simply because of association.

  101. 101.

    MagdaInBlack

    If Griffin didn’t want to get strip-searched at every airport in the US for two years, then she shouldn’t have made the joke.

    Thats just a very, very odd way to think.
    Yes, the joke was tasteless. I’m not a fan of Ms Griffin.
    But that statement sounds like something an abuser would say to justify his/her behavior.

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne

    @dmsilev:

    And, yes, I’m basing this opinion on the interview I heard with Griffin on Kevin & Bean a few months ago. Her complaint isn’t that she was interviewed by the Secret Service — it’s that she claims there was an ongoing harassment campaign that started after she was cleared that included extra screenings or being put on the no-fly list by the TSA every time she travelled.

  104. 104.

    Mnemosyne

    @MagdaInBlack:

    I’m doing heavy sarcasm there, in case it didn’t come across. Mandalay thinks that Griffin deserves to be harassed by TSA because she made a bad joke about killing Trump. I do not agree, hence the sarcastic reply.

  106. 106.

    Mnemosyne

    Also, too: I’m okay with the professional consequences that Griffin had to deal with. Lost acting jobs or canceled gigs? Sucks, but I think those are not unreasonable consequences of a performer making a badly-done and badly-received assassination joke.

    But having the government actively harass you for having made that joke? Nah. We’re not a fucking banana republic yet.

  107. 107.

    MagdaInBlack

    @Mnemosyne:
    I do apologize….I forgot, what with the page leaping around as it does when I attempt to post, to put in my @
    Im with you, the inference I to am getting, is that “she asked for it.
    I fupped up my post ?

    Also too…..I miss Edit.
    TGIF ?

  109. 109.

    The Thin Black Duke

    Bottom line, Louis CK jacks off in front of other women but he gets a second chance, because boys will be boys. Kathy Griffin’s career, however, is over. Funny how that works.

  111. 111.

    Mnemosyne

    @NotMax:

    I would say Jackson was an asshole who should never work in this town again. But I still wouldn’t want TSA to harass her at the airport, or for random lefty assholes to call her sister’s hospital room and scream at her.

  112. 112.

    Suzanne

    I am already annoyed by The Op-Ed, because now we have A Mystery! and this administration is already filled with far too much drama for my liking. But I found persuasive Slate’s piece speculating that the author is Jon Huntsman.

    I do enjoy imagining how angry tRump must have been this week.

  113. 113.

    gwangung

    @MagdaInBlack:

    Thats just a very, very odd way to think.
    Yes, the joke was tasteless. I’m not a fan of Ms Griffin.
    But that statement sounds like something an abuser would say to justify his/her behavior.

    Ergo, very Trump-like.

  116. 116.

    Aleta

    @Villago Delenda Est: : @Quinerly:
    There’s Jason Greenblatt (mentioned in NYer Where Will the Trump Investigations Go Next?)

    Politico put up his Public Financial Disclosure Report from 1/20/2017; it lists him as Executive Vice President & Chief Legal Officer of The Trump Organization from 1/1997 to 1/2017.
    Then Assistant to the President and Special Representative for International Negotiations from 1/20. The NYer article says he is a senior adviser on Israel.
    (Fwiw, it appears (at least to me) his disclosure form was revised 4 times in the first two months.)

    From NYer: He may know a fair bit about Trump’s more troubling deals. Greenblatt’s rise came just as the Trump Organization was in the early stages of its frenzy of overseas dealmaking with people who were convicted of crimes or whose past deals showed potential signs of money laundering, sanctions violations, and other financial crimes. Greenblatt, several Trump Organization lawyers told me, was responsible for conducting due diligence on partners. He either conducted none or did such a meagre job that it is hard not to conclude that he deliberately avoided having any documentation regarding the company’s most dubious partners.

  117. 117.

    MagdaInBlack

    This week has been a cluster. Im going to the balcony to do an Elon, minus the whiskey.
    You all have a good evening ?

  118. 118.

    Aleta

    @Aleta:

    (Bloomberg) Last month, prosecutors said in indicting Cohen that two Trump company executives — one of whom is believed to be Weisselberg — approved the improper payments to Cohen in violation of campaign-finance laws. Investigators are looking at those people and others who may have been aware of the activities, according to the person.

    As for possible others, there’s Trump’s executive assistant in the Trump Org, Rhona Graff.

    (NYer, linked above) She was the interface between Trump and the rest of the world: she answered and made his phone calls, read and wrote his e-mails, ushered people into his office, and scheduled his out-of-office interactions. Graff may not know the details of any particular deal, but she—more than anyone else—could reconstruct Trump’s social, business, and political network.

    Not nec. involved in the campaign, but it’s said there were only a few people he trusted with compromising information. Of course Ivanka and the boys … unless they are being saved for later.

  119. 119.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Aleta:

    He either conducted none or did such a meagre job that it is hard not to conclude that he deliberately avoided having any documentation regarding the company’s most dubious partners.

    Remember, Trump hires the Best People.

  120. 120.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    My position has been that the op-ed is a hit job, an attempt by one faction in the White House to get rid of another by making Trump angry. Kushner isn’t smart enough (that man is Trump level stupid) but combined with Ivanka, I could see them deciding a trick they saw someone play in high school is political genius.

  121. 121.

    PaulWartenberg

    Papadopoulos can check out a book at my library before he goes to jail and then return it in time to avoid paying overdue fees.

    There are people who get arrested for shoplifting a candy bar who spend more days in jail than this.

    /headdesk

  123. 123.

    Ruckus

    @PaulWartenberg:
    First, I think it’s too short as well.
    But.
    He has helped the prosecution, and as someone up thread pointed out a light sentence can make others come forward.
    Think of it this way, his “career” in republican politics is probably dead. He has no career in democratic politics so in 14 days he’s going to have to find a real job, one that fits the rest of his sentence beyond the free room and board.
    Would you hire him?

  125. 125.

    Mike in NC

    Wife recorded the network news tonight, and is watching it now, where Fat Bastard on AF1 basically states several times that he couldn’t pick a loser like Popodopoulos out of a police lineup. Sad!

  127. 127.

    Aleta

    @Frankensteinbeck: Argument for Ivanka would be:

    She and Jared would lose their influence and WH access immediately if T is taken out.

    She’s known for rushing something into print (usually about the importance of her influence) when Trump is trouble.

    Her role for years: Jump in and take over the persuading when Trump needs money or votes.

    Doesn’t hesitate to copy from others, note op-ed’s use of inspirational words from Michelle Obama ( I believe Iv. may have ‘helped’ Melania’s speech), Pres. Obama and John McCain.

    She’s known for having articles and quotes attributed to other people (placed in the NYT, Politico etc.) that mention her ‘quiet moderating influence’ and ‘working quietly behind the scenes’ and ‘The Quiet Power Behind Trump.’

    Is this from a) Op ed or b) Past articles about Ivanka/Jared? : “Go to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.”

    Not adept enough to manipulate successfully.

    Ivanka’s familiar message during campaign: He might seem bad but I can prevent the damage.

  128. 128.

    Immanentize

    @PaulWartenberg: @Ruckus:
    Think of his sentence actually as his next year at the beck and call of the US Attorney’s office. Most criminals sentenced to real short time get hammered if they mess up on supervised release.
    This is his “chance.” And Papapapapolus (Trump pronunciation) and his wife have demonstrated an excellent ability at violation of release conditions. 14 days is a warm up.

  129. 129.

    Bill Arnold

    @jl:

    Isn’t there an old feud that Jared and Ivanka are having with Kelly?

    Possible. (I didn’t notice a for-real suspicion of Kelly by J&I as a significant possibility.) The longer the anonymity holds, the more such theories (continuations of palace intrigues or actions related to grudges) we’ll see. This is all quite frenetic and … dangerous. Does anyone know of a grudge(/dislike)-matrix for all the major players in the DJTrump administration?

  133. 133.

    Calouste

    @Ruckus: Papadopoulos was worked as an oil consultant. This whole episode is probably going to enhance his resume for that particular job, specially when dealing with some less-than-democratic countries

  134. 134.

    Gin & Tonic

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Kathy Griffin’s career, however, is over.

    I read very recently that Kathy Griffin has been performing to sold-out halls all over the south in recent weeks/months. I’ve had a bit too much to drink this evening to hunt for links, maybe somebody else wants to (my son, who came for a visit, brought some mezcal from his last trip to MX and has been convincing me to try it.)

  136. 136.

    sukabi

    @dmsilev: Musk’s public stuff is eyebrow raising from a CEO (with the exception of the weed), but it’s what goes on in private / corporate settings that’s probably got his executives running for the exits.

    I don’t usually pay much attention to that type of stuff, but Musk has certainly been craving the spotlight lately, and not for new product rollouts…trumpitis seems to be contagious.

  137. 137.

    Ruckus

    @Immanentize:
    Thank you.
    I thought that would be better coming from an expert. Which I am decidedly not.
    He’s got 14 days in the gray bar, but a year on probation if I read it correctly. For someone with such a loose appreciation for law and order, that year could be, if not a lifetime, quite a stretch. And I doubt that the feds will take violations lightly.
    @Calouste:
    Sure it’s possible, but they like their toddies to be at least clean on the outside. He’s just taken away that sheen of respectability and quite likely the ability to travel a lot for a year. And he shut the door to any influence that he might once have had. That should help as well. I’m not saying he’s finished but he ain’t flying high at this point.

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