I just about lost my lunch when I heard that Bart pulled the crying card today after he got busted for being a would be rapist.
Maybe this makes me a caveman but I fucking hate it when these alpha male master of the universe types cry like babies on tv. I get it if something tragic happens, like a loss in the wildcard round, but getting found out as a rapist…no stop your fucking sobbing. Don Corleone said it best.
The Godfather also teaches us that the second bullet goes in the head — let’s win all 40 of these seats in November.
Geoboy
40? Let’s win 100!
Miss Bianca
I may have to actually watch “The Godfather” one of these days.
debbie
It was more snuffling than sobbing. Even worse.
Lee Hartmann
I could’t watch. but JFC.
Mnemosyne
The best cover thereof, and on topic for today:
https://youtu.be/ANaP26V1tFw
I still think it was pretty ballsy of Chrissy to shove Ray Daviesā own song back in his face. ?
zhena gogolia
@Lee Hartmann:
You have to watch. It’s a sad, sad spectacle. This is what they think is qualified to sit on the highest court in the land.
MikeBoyScout
In for $250.
Fk! these A holes!
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Rogers Hornsby was my manager,
and he called me a talking pile of
pigshit, and that was when my
parents drove all the way down
from Michigan to see me play the
game!
And did I cry?… No! No!
And do you know why?…
Because there’s no crying in baseball!
There’s no crying in baseball, no crying!
spudgun
@Miss Bianca: Oof, good, I thought I was the only one who hasn’t seen it!
I mean, I’ve certainly read enough about it to know what happens (and Godfather II!) and have seen small bits here and there, but have actually never sat my butt down, watched the whole thing from beginning to end.
Schlemazel
@Miss Bianca:
There are some great performances and very good writing. Obviously the Don is not a good guy, there are no good guys in the story. I like the twists & double crosses and Al Pacino’s move from straight arrow to cold hearted don is really well done.
Miss Bianca
@spudgun: I actually tried to read the book when I was about 10 years old. Same with The Exorcist. Gave up on both. Maybe that’s why I’ve never seen either movie!
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
Itās good. Itās actually a lot slower and more episodic than I realized from the way people talk about it.
Mnemosyne
@Schlemazel:
In film school, they talked about how Michaelās journey is the reverse of a heroās journey. He goes from trying to save the world as an officer in WWII to only caring about himself.
@Miss Bianca:
The book sucks. Mario Puzo wrote it so the people he owed gambling debts to wouldnāt break his legs. The movie is better.
Gin & Tonic
My mother was categorically, vehemently opposed to crying. By anyone, any time. If she were alive to see this sheād be appalled. She viewed it as nothing but weakness.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Miss Bianca: one of those rare moments where a movie was a vast improvement over a book. I was gonna say “You have to watch it!”, but I wonder what it would look like, an almost fifty year old movie made for a very different public.
spudgun
@Miss Bianca: I agree with Mnem, I’ve also heard from many that this is one of those rare instances where the movie is MUCH better than the book.
Bucket list! Also, blergh, Mario Puzo – yeah, nope…
John Revolta
@Mnemosyne: Pretty sure that single came out before Chrissie & Ray were a thing though.
Gozer
@spudgun: The whole trilogy is on Netflix. Good watching for a lazy weekend.
Omnes Omnibus
Oblig.
raven
@Miss Bianca: Watch the rework where it is chonological,
raven
@Miss Bianca: I thought the book was great.
TenguPhule
Rule #2 of Zombieland ā Double Tap. You think it’s dead (technically it was before you shot it), one more makes 100% sure.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: @Omnes Omnibus: God damn it, Mnem.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)Ā ??
It’s the hypocrisy that pisses you off
raven
spudgun
@Gozer: Yes, that’s true! Hm, though, maybe next weekend…this weekend is going to be a MAJOR palate cleanser for me after the day (week!) we’ve all had today – only goofy stoopid comedies like Toast of London, John Mulaney stand-up and Disenchanted…with some bourbon mixed in.
;-)
*sigh*
Roger Moore
@Mnemosyne:
I think of The Godfather as being the classic example of a movie that turned out much better than the book it’s based on. Part II is an example of a sequel that turned out better than the original, though it’s close enough I’m sure plenty of people would disagree. It’s interesting that one movie series manages to break the rules twice.
oatler.
@Mnemosyne: I like Puzo for his “Godfather Papers” collection of essays and articles, especially the ‘George Mandel Plate in the Head’ anecdotes. And he takes Norman Mailer to the cleaners.
sixthdoctor
Even though itās minor compared to the lying, sanctimony, and flat-out criminal behavior, it really is the babycrying and crocodile tears from the right-wing that makes me want to puke.
frosty
I saw the title on the sidebar and knew it had to be a DougJ post. Perfect title for today.
EveryDayIHaveTheBlues
I dont know what happens now, but this afternoon was not only deeply depressing but also had a curiously energising effect, arising from a kind of a cleansing anger. Sort of how sometimes all of the extraneous stuff is stripped away and you see the truth with no diatractions. BK is a fucking shameless liar, and the Rethuglicans should hide their faces and never step forth in decent society for fear of being ridiculed. They are, quite clearly, scum.
Each and every one of them is useless. The R party should be excised from the country like a gangrenous limb. It has already poisoned us almost beyond repair.
Honestly, to tell the truth, I’m pretty incandescent with rage at the moment. I was this upset twice before. Once when they did the border separation thing, another when I lost my job a few years back.
SJC Dems did a good job. Rethugs have no shame. There are no good Rs anymore. That’s like saying, “here is some pleasant syphilis”.
There is no compromise with these people. Every last single one of them must be voted out of office. Every last fucking one. They’re all rapists and rape enablers. That poor poor woman.
Matt Smith
I was moved by Dr. Blasey Ford’s testimony and disgusted by Kavanaugh… but also found parts of the day too absurd not to enjoy. I turned one of those moments into a mashup. My first one. Sharing in case it entertains anyone else besides just me.
spudgun
Oof, perfect timing, my streaming radio just played Patti Smith’s “People Have the Power” and now I’m sitting here tearing up…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPR-HyGj2d0
The Thin Black Duke
@Miss Bianca: Oddly enough, the sequel is a much better film.
Matt Smith
Well, the embed didn’t work. Here’s a link.
frosty
@Mnemosyne: All movies from more than 20 years ago are more episodic and slower. And the opening credits from the 40s and 50s? Excruciatingly slow!
Matt Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEcamGToq7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEcamGToq7E
The Midnight Lurker
Would somebody please tell me which puppet master has their hand up Miss Lindsey’s skirt? What a performance!
Roger Moore
@raven:
Re-editing the movies so they’re in chronological order seems like such a bad idea. The parallel structure of the second movie was a huge part of what made it work so well.
Schlemazel
@Mnemosyne:
That is a great way to describe it. The moment leading up to when he shoots Salatzo re fabulous acting as you can see the inner struggle.
Kay
Another low quality Trump hire. We’ll be stuck with this one for life.
How’d you like the impartial jurist up there today screaming that he hates Democrats?
Boy- don’t bother going into that court expecting a fair hearing. Mr. Kavanaugh sure made his bias clear.
raven
@Roger Moore: Well, I liked the book and I liked the re-edit. I guess Frank had some reason for doing it.
Ken
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Also Moby Dick. The book has maybe ten scattered chapters that are a really great story about the destructive effects of obsession. The movies wisely drop the other hundred-twenty-plus chapters, which are a detailed whaling manual.
Schlemazel
@Gozer:
I think the third movie is dreadful, particularly some really bad acting.
Nicole
The crying is infuriating because he’s a fucking bully. Ugh. I hate everything today.
But I do love The Godfather. I agree, the book was not good, but the movie is always a good watch. I think the movie rights were sold before the book was even written. But I may be misremembering.
zhena gogolia
@EveryDayIHaveTheBlues:
When Durbin was questioning him my heart started pounding and I almost wanted to “ralph.” I am so furious. I can’t believe this guy can get anywhere NEAR the Supreme Court.
Baud
@Kay: He’ll destroy Marbury v. Madison. No one will respect the Court’s decisions after he’s done.
JR
I hope he saves those tears for his sentencing hearing
Nicole
@Schlemazel: Someone once said Godfather 1 and Godfather 2 are opera, and Godfather 3 is soap opera.
zhena gogolia
@raven:
I love the re-edit.
trollhattan
@Roger Moore:
Also, too, “Jaws,” “The Exorcist,” “2001” and “The Shining” bettered their sources.
Schlemazel
@raven:
I liked the way the book ended better than the movie but the movie ending with the door being shut on Kay is more ‘closing the circle’ of Michael’s turn to evil.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@The Midnight Lurker: I just heard him screaming about “Sotomayor and Kagan”. He’s gonna show up for tomorrow’s hearing in his bathrobe asking Ted Cruz is the principal saw them break the window.
zhena gogolia
@Matt Smith:
Only laugh I’ve had all day.
Mary G
trollhattan
@The Midnight Lurker:
Today somebody removed ALL Lindsey’s hinges. Next time he appears in public he’ll basically be an Ikea shipping box.
Oh. Mah. Stars.
His stampyfoot outrage act is not a good one.
Nicole
Oh, OH! And to just really get me annoyed, my good and kind and very Christian but very politically liberal brother posted his frustration with the hearing and, as he lives in Tennessee, of course some dingbat acquaintance of his said, “Well, it’s all just he said she said” and I asked him if he felt the same way about the Starr investigation 20 years ago and of course he claimed he didn’t know anything about it because he was busy focusing on his career. And then went all, “Washington corrupts everyone, both sides, blah blah.” Yeah, right. I fucking hate these people. It’s not just that they’re wrong; it’s that they know they’re in the wrong but they don’t fucking care. They know that one party performing a slow motion coup is wrong, but since it’s their “team” they’ll do anything to justify it.
Ugh. I called him out on it and told to just admit it was okay with him because Kavanaugh is a Republican. I really hate these people.
Schlemazel
@Nicole:
That is also a great take.
trollhattan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Ah do believe there will be some missing-strawberry inquires.
Nicole
Just to clarify, as there is no edit button- my brother votes the correct way. In his case, his religious beliefs seem to give him an actual strong moral compass. It was the dingbat acquaintance I was arguing with.
KithKanan
I’m definitely white hot with rage. Someone please talk me out of donating to his R opponent if Manchin votes for this piece of shit. I’m normally pragmatic about red state Dems, but being a Democrat ought to fucking stand for something, and this is the absolute bare minimum.
Roger Moore
@Ken:
Sorry, but the chapters on whaling are the best part.
eemom
I think II is much better than I. III was a piece of shit.
trollhattan
@Nicole:
I don’t know many people who legitimately follow politics from the deep-dive perspective and so “boff sides” is the others’ reflexive way to get away from the whole icky topic and back to how much it cost to fill the Sequoia Tuesday.
And I live in a political town.
zhena gogolia
@Roger Moore:
That’s my recollection.
Roger Moore
@trollhattan:
Strictly speaking, 2001 was made concurrently with the novel rather than being based on a previously existing work.
EveryDayIHaveTheBlues
@zhena gogolia: do these people have no empathy? Wtf was all that lip service earlier in the day to Dr. Ford about respect and courage and so on? I couldn’t watch the whole thing, it was sickening when BK came on and started ranting.
A long time ago, when Graham came out against torture, I had some respect for him. No more.
The Republican party is evil. It would be hard to find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Rachel playing clips of his opening rant. He. Is. A Fucking. Madman.
they’re doing rock-paper-scissors on who gets to vote ‘no’. Murkowski with one eye on the Alaskan native vote, Collins with one on her so laboriously cultivated phony image as the reborn Margaret Chase Smith, and both on that $1.5 million for her opponent, which I predict will double within 48 hours if she votes for BK.
trollhattan
@eemom:
GFII broke the rule that all sequels are dwarfed by the original. Genuinely the better film.
celticdragonchick
@Ken: Last of the Mohicans, which is almost unreadable. The 1992 movie by Michael Mann is far better.
TenguPhule
@EveryDayIHaveTheBlues:
is this a trick question?
eemom
@Schlemazel: @Schlemazel:
Actually doesn’t it end after he has Fredo murdered?
I will gladly talk Godfather all evening. Gotta get my mind off the real life horror.
Edmund dantes
If Manchin votes yes, he needs to be fired into the sun.
Independent of the allegations. That display today by Kavanaugh was disqualifying.
celticdragonchick
@KithKanan:
I agree. If Manchin abandons us on this, fuck him.
TenguPhule
@EveryDayIHaveTheBlues:
We don’t serve their kind here.
trollhattan
@Roger Moore:
I’ll grant you that. With an aside he probably had another thirteen books underway simultaneously.
TenguPhule
@KithKanan:
Democratic Primary needs to hang like a sword of judgment over his head.
Choose wisely, Manchin.
JMG
Manchin, Donnelly, Collins and Murkowksi will vote together and all vote yes. 53-47. I hope Manchin and Donnelly both lose if this happens. Actually, I hope Manchin is still around to be shocked and disappointed when the Court throws out the ACA. Just like Collins with Roe v. Wade.
Argiope
@KithKanan: How about starting a GoFundMe for his next D primary challenger instead, assuming he survives November? Long game, but still better than donating to any Republican at any time.
PsiFighter37
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Murkowski can take the bullet – she’s in a much redder state.
Fuck them all. Every single one of those Republicans, their worthless stooge Rachel Mitchell, and Kavanaugh deserved to be cold-cocked in the face. I was so pissed at work today watching the entire spectacle.
Another Scott
Donated++, and I threw $50 into the NotSusan fund, also too. She supposedly hasn’t decided yet, or so she told a reporter on leaving the Capitol tonight.
This isn’t over.
Cheers,
Scott.
trollhattan
@Edmund dantes: @celticdragonchick:
While I don’t disagree I’ve been around the Cole joint long enough to know some Dem other than Manchin-flavor can’t be elected in WV. Although, if we can also snag an R nomination for Don Blankenship…
PsiFighter37
@TenguPhule: You realize that he’s already in this year’s re-election? He’s counting on you not remembering in 6 years. It’s a stupid, idle threat.
KithKanan
@Argiope: Nope. I can’t stand being in the same party as him for another six years if he votes yes. I’m so angry right now I’d rather give up all hope of taking back the Senate.
JR
@Schlemazel: Sofia Coppola is far more gifted behind the camera
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Well, got a weird take on this Judy McRapeyCrybaby from my dad; apparently the budget is getting ready for Trump’s signature and Trump is whinny because no Wall in it. So is this SCOTUS goat rodeo to distract Trump? I can see the Senate GOP viewing Trump shutting the government down 30 days before an election over the damn wall as ultimate nightmare for them.
Miss Bianca
@Roger Moore: I love the whole damn book. Time for a re-read when I have about a month I’m not doing anything else. ; )
Baud
@PsiFighter37: Manchin cares about West Virginia voters, and those voters are really red.
Schlemazel
@eemom:
Nope, It ends with the capos kissing Michael’s ring & then one of the thugs shuts the door on Kay
Amir Khalid
@trollhattan:
I wouldn’t consider 2001: A Space Odyssey a film-of-the-book. Clarke and Kubrick wrote the book concurrently with the film shoot, so it’smore like the book of the film.
Does anyone here remember Jonathan Livingston Seagull, Richard Bach’s 1970s bestseller about a philosophical bird? The book was all right if a bit soft-headed (like the times in which it came out). The movie was literally nothing but stock footage of seagulls with voice-over dialogue, and was just terrible. (Yes, I saw it.) Neil Diamond’s soundtrack album made more money than the movie, and I daresay it was better than either the book or the movie.
eemom
Further to desperation for distraction: did y’all know that John Cazale (Fredo, also starred in Dog Day Afternoon and The Deer Hunter) and Meryl Streep had a beautiful, tragic love affair that ended with his tragic death of lung cancer at age 42? ? I’m sure Mnem knew.
Schlemazel
@JR:
It would be hard for her to be less gifted.
The Moar You Know
@Gin & Tonic: Interesting. I’m of the same mind. Either weakness or manipulation, usually the latter.
You get to cry if your dog, cat or kid dies. That’s pretty much it in my book.
Yes, I was raised by not just one but two narcissists.
Mary G
I’m sure this is another good article by Rebecca Traister, but I’m not going to read it today; I need to calm down.
tobie
There’s a journalist named Elaina Plott at the Atlantic who has been planting a lot of the stories on twitter today that have changed the narrative. She was the first to report that Trump was thrilled with Kavanaugh’s opening statement, and she’s had a few tweets indicating Manchin is inclined to vote yes on Kavanaugh. I googled her and found this gem on her at The Washingtonian magazine:
Former Ann Coulter girl? Writer for the National Review? Guest writer at Jared Kushner’s Observer? This all but unknown journalist has been shaping the narrative today. I think she’s a plant. Who’s planted her and why are her tweets being retweeted so much?
Mike J
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’ve been binging Catsdown and this line threw me.
raven
@eemom: Now the Deer Hunter was one awful fucking movie.
eemom
@Schlemazel:
Oh, you mean Part I. I was talking about II.
Does Puzo’s novel cover the events in II? I never read it.
eemom
@raven:
Dog Day Afternoon was awesome, though.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@JR: a shame Talia Shire’s character got so interesting when everything around her went to hell
@eemom: I think II ends with Michael in the boathouse, thinking back to the family dinner when he told them he was going into the army, and Sonny brought Carlo home to meet Connie
Schlemazel
@Amir Khalid:
2001 came from a short story, maybe 80 words. I always felt the movie carried all the weight, excitement and value of an 80 word story.
Miss Bianca
@Amir Khalid: Dear God, did you *have* to remind us about “Jonathan Livingston Seagull”? Did you? Really?!
khead
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:
Anyone ever tell you you look like a peni$ with a little hat on?
raven
@eemom: Great movie! Attica, Attica!
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yo Adrienne!
Schlemazel
@eemom:
No, II was made of whole cloth. The book ends with Michael assuming command & his mother taking Kay to church to light candles & pray for Mike’s saftey
eemom
@trollhattan:
Was Robert Byrd as vile as Manchin? Didn’t think so, but of course those were different times.
Miss Bianca
@tobie: ooh, some good sleuthing on your part. Nope, never heard of this tool.
raven
Ever been above the tree line in Pennsylvania?
“The deer hunt itself, though set in the āAllegheny Mountainsā, was shot 10,000 feet above sea level in the Heather Meadows area of Mount Baker, Washington State, close to the British Columbian border.”
Baud
@tobie: 2016 should have taught us how easily we get played.
Mnemosyne
@Nicole:
Poor Sofia Coppola got roped into acting in the film because she was on the set and fit into Winona Ryder’s costumes when Ryder bailed on the production. Seriously.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@eemom: relevant to today’s discussion, leaving aside for the moment his truly disgusting racism, he voted for Roberts and Alito. But IIRC against the Iraq War.
EveryDayIHaveTheBlues
@TenguPhule: you dont like them? I dont like them either!
Schlemazel
I liked both the Godfather book and movie I & II though they are each different.
A book I find similar is “The Shogun” It really is about the exercise of raw power when hemmed in on all sides by conniving untrustworthy liars with similar power. The Pilot thinks he is playing the game but he is just manipulated like everyone else in the book.
Another Scott
Whatever that means… :-/
Cheers,
Scott.
tobie
@Edmund dantes: @celticdragonchick: @Baud: I don’t think Manchin, Flake, Murkowski or Collins are profiles in courage but I also don’t believe we know how they will vote. The GOP has been advancing the claim that Manchin likes Kavanaugh and will vote for him if he’s sure K won’t gut the ACA. They’ve been mainstreaming this line through a previously unknown journalist Elaina Plott. Be wary of the line. I think it would be more helpful to call Manchin first thing in the morning and tell him you’ll have his back and will contribute to his campaign and phonebank for him if he votes no on Kavanaugh. I did this with Heitkamp’s office and they actually took down my telephone number. Don’t give up just yet. We need all hands on deck right now.
eemom
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s right. Immediately after he watches poor old Fredo get shot on his order out on the fishing boat after saying his Hail Mary.
khead
@tobie:
You forgot “Yalie”. It’s right on her Twitter feed.
Jeffro
@Nicole:
I can relate…my dad asked for me & my brother’s opinion…bro goes, (and I quote), “Dr. Ford sounded generally sincere in her story but the lack of specifics and corroborating evidence made it hard to fully credit her account on its own. Kavanaugh seems believable too despite some reliance on what I’m assuming were coached phrases. Only losers were the Democratic Party and to a lesser extent the country.”
breathtaking…sent me straight into full-tilt, you-KNOW-better mode…and when I calmed down, what I told him was
“I think I will pass on giving my extended opinion, so I’ll just say that ‘sincere in her story but lacked specifics’ is the new ‘just happened to benefit’*, ie, “I’m gonna come up with something that sounds nice and allows me to look away even though I know something is not right here, something I would certainly never accept if the shoe were on the other foot.”
“One of them was lying today. Make a decision: who? See y’all in November!”
*(Bro’s excuse for Trumpov’s collusion with Russia)
No more free passes, no more “both sides”, no more concessions to the blessed ‘middle’, no more any of it.
Mary G
Beautiful essay:
Jacel
@Mnemosyne: Ray Davies didn’t take it badly that she bettered his version of his song. This recording came before the two met and got involved for several years (and had a daughter).
The Moar You Know
If anyone here follows KithKanan’s idea of giving money to a motherfucking Republican as a result of Manchin’s vote, I will personally show up on your doorstep and tell your entire family all the ways that you are an asshole not fit to consort with other human beings, and they will believe me.
That is some kind of bullshit right there. Manchin is an asshole, but he is a Democrat. Not a Republican. Now is not the time for purity purges, idiots.
Amir Khalid
@Miss Bianca:
Sure, why not? (Evil grin.)
It was a rather softheaded touchy-feely book that sold well to the softheaded touchy-feely types of those times, including 15-year-old moi. Skip the book, skip the movie if by some misfortune you ever see it on Blu-Ray, maybe get the OST if you’re a big Neil Diamond fan.
JMG
There is no middle, only an enemy to be beaten and eventually destroyed. It’s them or us and I see no reason why it should be us. I’m an old white male, but if I were a woman of any age, I’d be ready to use violence.
tobie
@khead: I’m glad you point that out. I saw it but wasn’t quite sure what to make of it. Is this Plott’s way of identifying herself with Kavanaugh or just wealth and privilege in general? I also noticed that she doesn’t retweet other people. How typical would this be for a journalist?
Elizabelle
Also: could senators vote the nomination out of committee, but then vote it down on the Senate floor?
They may not get their 49 votes.
Baud
@Elizabelle: Yes.
Nicole
@Mnemosyne: I thought Ryder got sick? I actually felt for Sophia Coppola- it was too much to ask of someone without the experience. Acting is a craft as much as it is an art.
Here’s a nice reexamination of her in it, though:
https://www.tiff.net/the-review/the-teenage-heartbreak-of-sofia-coppolas-mary-corleone/
Fair Economist
@KithKanan:
Donate to the beat Collins fund, or against Cruz, or against some other possibly beatable R Senator. We are not going to get anybody better than Manchin out of W Va for a while. (I really don’t think he’ll support Kavanaugh, though).
Elizabelle
@Baud: I will hope for that.
BK’s performance is not going to look any better in the cold light of day.
Mnemosyne
@eemom:
I did know that. She was quite a bit younger and he was a very acclaimed actor (his only film appearances were all nominated for Best Picture), so his friends were suspicious that she was an untalented hanger-on who was leeching off his career. ?
(She did win them over with how well she helped care for him while he was dying. And, obviously, the acting thing got straightened out on its own.)
Baud
@Elizabelle: You have a good attitude.
Mary G
@The Moar You Know: Come sit by me. That is the stupidest thing I’ve seen all day, and that includes Kavanaugh’s performance. Never donate to a Republican.
Miss Bianca
@Mary G: That is a beautiful essay, thanks for sharing!
Nicole
@Jeffro: Oh my God; I’m so sorry. At least my brother and I can talk politics. He’s been in Tennessee since 2004, and the state still hasn’t broken him. If anything, he’s moved further left.
Schlemazel
@Nicole:
I don’t blame her, I blame Frank. He was always trying to drag family into projects. It was really heartless to do that to Soffia. Thank pasta he didn’t cast Nick Cage in one!
OTOH he fought tooth and nail for Brando and Pacino and I can’t imagine any other actors in those roles, they were wonderful.
Tazj
@tobie: I saw her tweet about Manchin and I’ve never heard of her before.People seem to think she has information about Manchin, I don’t know.
You’re so right about how the narrative has changed throughout the day. It seemed as if everyone was impressed with Dr. Ford, and felt as if the questioning by the female prosecutor went nowhere. Then when Kavanaugh spoke people described him as unhinged and having a meltdown, as if his nomination would have to be pulled because he was an embarrassment.
Now it’s as if that never happened and we’re back to descriptions of the hearing as a partisan brawl. Who is the crazy Democrat in this scenario? It’s just enraging.
Mnemosyne
@Jacel:
I think I’m thinking of a story I read about a concert that Hynde did while she and Davies were breaking up where she dedicated that song to him. Ouch!
schrodingers_cat
@Elizabelle: @Baud: Focusing on diehard T base is self defeating. We are not going to win them over. And let’s be honest a good portion of the Beltway insiders are not that different from the R base, they just have a better vocabulary and manners.
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
I remember when that came out. She had had a bad rap as an acting machine. This really humanized her.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Schlemazel: he also had to fight to keep it set in the forties, the studio wanted to make it contemporary to save money. Just imagine the cost of all those vintage cars. Cannot imagine that movie set in 1970
zhena gogolia
@Mary G:
Yes, that is really good.
frosty
@raven:
Never saw it. All I needed to know was they shot it in the Rockies, standing in for Pennsylvania where schools get off for the first day of deer season. What, our 2,500 forested mountains aren’t good enough for your fucken* movie?**
* h/t Vicente Fox and the jackal who’s taken up this spelling.
** If I’m completely wrong about this whole thing well, xin loi and FIDO. :-)
frosty
ETA: As Raven so eloquently puts it.
VOR
@Roger Moore: Robert DeNiro and Marlon Brando are the only duo to each win Best Supporting Actor for playing the same character.
Argiope
@Mary G: I just figure we’re not all doing our best thinking right now. Burning shit down seems eminently reasonable. Donating to a Republican, on the other hand…. well, let’s just say I hope some food and sleep help us all regain perspective on what has been a rollercoaster of a day.
guachi
The United States scenes for Deer Hunter were shot in Ohio. I only know this because it was recently released in 4k and I read up about the movie.
The Dangerman
Late to this thread (it’s a Pinot night), maybe it’s been addressed, but was the replacement of Mitchell, the prosecutor, planned in advance? seems like she was asking him some pointed questions and he wasn’t answering very well, so they audibled her out of there.
Then again, her “replacement” was Graham, who enthralled the Right was his 5 minutes. After Mitchell got yanked, there weren’t any more questions of any substance at all for Kavanaugh.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
If you want to express rage, donate to Jacky Rosen, or Beto O’Rourke, or Phil Bredeson, or Bill Nelson. Or Jon Tester, who seems to be holding firm. Or Claire McCaskill who came out against him before we knew about Dr Ford. Or pledge to the NotSusan fund
also, too
Elizabelle
@schrodingers_cat: Who is focusing on the diehard Trump base? Not me. They’re just something there to work around. Go for the better people, who are persuadable.
Mary G
Elizabelle
@The Dangerman: Was a mystery to me, too.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
god damn, from the wannabe-pope of Times Square
Ross Douthat @ DouthatNYT
To say again when I said in expectation: Kavanaugh could be innocent, memories of trauma can be wrong, but absent more dramatic exculpatory evidence than a calendar this is too credible to elevate him.
and lonely, truthful outcast of Martha’s Vineyard
tobie
@Tazj: No one plays the victim card better than Republicans. It’s amazing to me that Lindsay Graham supposedly turned the hearing around with his primal scream that he and his fellow Republicans would be dishonoring the Republic if they didn’t put this drunken frat boy and sexual assaulter on the Supreme Court. And the media fell for this ploy once again. Plott by the way didn’t tweet about Feinstein’s or Durbin’s questioning of Kavanaugh. There was radio silence till Graham came on the scene. Than these two tweets followed:
She’s either being paid to shill for the GOP or is an operative herself. I see no other option. Thanks a lot, Jeffrey Goldberg, for giving another lowlife the Atlantic’s imprimatur.
schrodingers_cat
@Elizabelle: No, not you but I see it in the comments and on Twitter too.
Mnemosyne
Also, too, everyone who has a Republican senator needs to call and/or fax him, her, or them, and tell them to vote against Kavanaugh because he’s an obvious liar. Yes, I know you don’t think they’re going to listen to you. Do it anyway. It will make you feel better.
Tazj
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: That’s a good idea. I’m definitely pretty angry right now.It drives me crazy that Lindsey Graham behaving like an asshole changes everything.
I’m pleasantly surprised by Comey.
Amir Khalid
@Schlemazel:
There isn’t much to The Sentinel beyond the monolith thing, I agree. Clarke and Kubrick had to add in a lot more to make an entire screenplay/novel. But while it certainly has failings, I don’t consider 2001 an overextended short-short story.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@tobie:
Elizabelle
@tobie: Thanks for the head’s up on Plott.
The Dangerman
@Elizabelle:
Yeah, it almost seemed like a long hook came out from Stage Right and … poof, gone.
Mike in NC
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: We just got back from several days on Nantucket, and many moons ago while I was in high school the family made a summer day trip to Martha’s Vineyard. I wonder if those islanders have a rivalry like the Yankees and the Red Sox?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Kirk
@tobie:
ahem. Merrick Garland. So F you Mr. Graham.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mike in NC: the Vineyard people have the better chance at an insulting chant
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
This is what’s killing me. We know he’s a liar. Even if it is “he said/she said” one of these two people is a liar.
But because of who he is – his status- he will get the benefit of the doubt and she will not. That’s all that’s going on here- they are choosing to believe the more powerful person, although they know he’s a liar. So many people know he’s a liar! How many people did he drink to excess with or around at Georgetown Prep or Yale or later in his career? Hundreds, at least. Yet he sat up there confident that none of these people would be believed or listened to and it wouldn’t matter because he’s more powerful and important than they are. He was so confident of that that he screamed at us- took us to the woodshed for even daring to question his right to that seat.
Amir Khalid
@Mary G:
It is remarkable that Senator Manchin remains undecided about a man who has already been revealed as unfit by character for his current judicial position, let alone for the Supreme Court.
Uncle Cosmo
@Schlemazel: The short story was “The Sentinel,” from 1948. Wiki notes that it is “the starting point for ‘2001’.” A dollop of Childhood’s End finished it off..
James
@Mnemosyne: Yeah. That could happen, and that could leave a mark.
Jacel
@The Dangerman: @Mnemosyne: Yeah. That could happen, and that could leave a mark.
MomSense
@zhena gogolia:
I found his crying to be very manipulative. The anger was bubbling even as he sniffed and snuffed.
It was a narcissistic spectacle of victim hood. Nobody has suffered or been more persecuted. Itās like the flip side of the grandiosity they can display.
He felt no empathy for Dr. Ford. She, the Democrats, the Clintons were all conspiring to make him suffer. So unfair to do that to someone who was such a model student, athlete, friend, churchgoer etc. He has been so wronged and victimized. Every day of these baseless accusations a living hell.
And then the rage that he had been put through this surfaces. Narcissists often get what they want by displaying this victim hood and using it to make people feel guilty and give them what they want. Extreme ego on display. Beware of that man. Heās a terrifying creature.
Jacel
@The Dangerman: I’m not surprised that the Republicans switched to speaking to Kavenaugh directly, rather than having the optics of a prosecutor questioning him. Did the Republicans even provide her with questions to ask him (as they did with Dr. Ford) or was the plan all along for they to talk with the judge, guy-to-guy?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MomSense: besides all the big lies, the evasiveness, the cowardice, it was more than off-putting to see a fifty-three year-old man repeatedly bragging about his grades, his atheleticism, and what schools he got into. He really is a trumpian character.
Jacel
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: When you’ve lost the Jesuits, you’re screwed.
eemom
@Mnemosyne:
I am always a sucker for a tale of true love, which theirs certainly seems to have been. Plus, they must have looked so cute together, with their mutually unconventional, yet contrasting, facial structures.
Then there is the part about his last words being “it’s okay Meryl….it’s okay.” ?
dww44
@raven: and I’m old enough to remember that it was a #1 Best Seller when that actually meant something. But the movie was better and I actually think that Godfather !! is better than the first.
Amir Khalid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It would seem that, by his own estimation, Kavanaugh has done nothing thereafter that is worth speaking of.
Raven Onthill
He’s not a man ā he’s a nasty little boy on stilts.
And perhaps worse. The Swetnick allegations are plausible and worrisome.
Raven Onthill
Allegations that Judge and Kavanaugh organized gang rape, those are. Swetnick: “she said she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh, his friend Mark Judge and others to get girls āinebriated and disoriented so they could then be āgang-rapedā in a side room or bedroom by a ātrainā of numerous boys.ā ā http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-kavanaugh-avenatti-2018-story.html
rsginsf
He wasn’t crying like a baby on TV.
He was crying on TV like a spoiled, privileged, entitled two-year old who’d just had his lollypop taken away from him.
J R in WV
@KithKanan:
Manchin’s R opponent is a viral hot mess of stupid and evil. Do not work to dump Manchin regardless of what happens in the next couple of days. There are lots more votes in the Senate after this, and don’t bet against Manchin until he has actually done something. If he does something evil after you call him, then go for it. But until he does the Republican work we fear… let it go til them.
Gin & Tonic
@guachi: Except for the parts that were shot in Pennsylvania. Oh, and the parts shot in the state of Washington (the Alleghenies last looked like that about 100 million years ago.)
biff murphy
his welled up at least seven times… poor brett