Joe Donnelly (Democratic Senator from Indiana) is in a tough race and he took a courageous stand today coming out against Kavanaugh. I thought it was only right to raise a little money for him.
Thanks Joe
by DougJ| 114 Comments
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low-tech cyclist
I’m good for a few shekels. Guess Heitkamp and Manchin are the only remaining Dems on the fence.
Tata
I don’t think I should have to explain how inappropriate it is to name this post for a song about shooting your woman on a day when women are freaking out about an abusive bastard probably being named to the Supreme Court.
But if I do, I fucking will.
TenguPhule
@Tata:
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Tata
@TenguPhule: Are you saying I am the problem?
Mnemosyne
@Tata:
Oh, crap. I didn’t make the association until you said it. We need to find DougJ a different song title with “Joe” in it. ?
Mnemosyne
@TenguPhule:
Dude. Don’t make me pie you again. Tata has a good point.
Roger Moore
I tossed in a bit.
trollhattan
Speaking of music Marty Balin has died. SF royalty, back in the day.
TenguPhule
@Tata:
No, the songwriters.
Doug!
@Tata:
I forgot that’s what happens in the song.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne: And I agree. It sucks that perfectly innocent two words in conjunction with each other were used in a song with very bad connotations.
debit
Done.
satby
The Mercers and Koch PASs are blanketing the airwaves with really nasty ads against Donnelly. I can’t contribute right now, but I will be putting some in soon.
Mnemosyne
@TenguPhule:
There is a disturbing amount of domestic violence and statutory (at best) rape in American popular music.
TenguPhule
Remember, some of us tend to not keep track of Dougs music theme for post titles. Some of his references are…obscure, to say the least for us not engaged in the world of english based lyrics.
Doug!
I changed the title. I honestly forgot that he shoots a woman in the song.
Immanentize
@Doug!: I think Patti Smith’s version tries to reclaim the song for women. But, perhaps not.
TenguPhule
@TenguPhule: those of us. /GIVE US BACK EDIT PLS
Viva BrisVegas
@TenguPhule:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXXG9PbIvsg
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne: Which is why I prefer Jpop.
Tata
@Doug!: I mean, fucking c’mon! Women are crying on subways and cornering senators in elevators.
THINK.
dexwood
@Doug!:
Thanks. You did the right thing. Saw the post title and thought it was troubling.
Princess
Good cause. I gave him a little money already or I would join.
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
Hendrix! Hey, Joe…
Cthulhu
Well it easy enough to figure out what the original title was.
debbie
@debbie:
I quit.
Immanentize
@Doug!: bueno
Tata
Thank you.
Adam L Silverman
@low-tech cyclist:
Don’t tell Eric Trump.
Mnemosyne
@Tata:
Honestly, I’d forgotten that the woman gets killed at the end of the song, but I was never a big Hendrix fan.
@debbie:
That’s the problematic song! We’re all so used to it being a “classic” that everyone but Tata forgot it’s about a man who murders his wife/girlfriend.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Murder ballads. They’re all thematically descended from the murder ballad.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
And some of us never listen to Hendrix and had no idea what was going on until Tata explained it. Then its facepalm time and “this is one of the reasons why I dislike most American music.”
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
Yeah, all shame-faced here. It was my very first record purchase and my memory is all wrapped up in that guitar. ?
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
It wasn’t any better in the original Latin.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
As is both folk/traditional and blues.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
For some reason, a few of the really terrible DV/murder-based pop songs from the 1970s have been earworms for me lately, like “Run Joey Run.” It’s been a crappy week.
So many pop songs of the mid-70s are SUPER messed up, and yet they’re all in my brain because they were radio hits. Ugh.
@debbie:
Yeah, almost nobody remembers the actual words. But it was still good to change the post title since we’re all easily triggered this week.
debit
One of my favorite rock out songs when I was a teenager now makes me cringe. Won’t link, but Pat Travers, Boom Boom Out Go the Lights. Awful awful lyrics.
TenguPhule
Kathleen Parker, Stain on Wapo’s reputation, ladies and gentlemen.
No link, because the rest is reads like an Onion parody until you realize “Holy shit, she’s serious!”
Viva BrisVegas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8nDWXRE65w
Miss Bianca
@trollhattan: Oh, noes! “Today” is still one of my favorite JA songs. So sad. Paul Kantner died last year, so I think that means only Grace and Jorma and Jack are left from the “glory years” line-up.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Dominus Vobiscum.
TenguPhule
The news from next week has been exhausting.
Adam L Silverman
hueyplong
This week has seen an unseemly scramble for single digit tumbrel numbers.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: Yep.
TenguPhule
@hueyplong: I am reminded of a sketch where all of the numbers being drawn from the waiting ticker are “1”
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
80s and early 90s J-Pop is the best
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: From what I recall of my thankfully brief exposure to “Country” music on the radio, women are not treated as people either.
TenguPhule
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: Macross Frontier would like a word with you.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
I always wondered what the ultimate expression of both sides would look like. Today, I found out.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: Um, I hadn’t forgotten.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: There’s always Murmaider. Here’s my favorite video version (the original video by the actual band is also animated, but it’s just weird).
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
Unless, it’s in a crappy revenge on a cheating ex song. Like slicing holes in all four tires of his pretty little souped-up 4 wheel drive. Maybe next time, he’ll think before he cheats.
Because property damage is a healthy response to your partner cheating on you.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Lot of country music is directly based on murder ballads. A lot of them are just murder ballads.
rikyrah
@Adam L Silverman:
That is so cute ?
tobie
Thanks, Doug, for putting up the donations link. Donnelly made the tough choice of announcing his opposition to Kavanaugh, when he could have hid like Manchin and Heitkamp. He deserves our support.
Barbara
Down by the river/I shot my baby . . .
[Verse 1]
Be on my side
I’ll be on your side
Baby
There is no reason
For you to hide
It’s so hard for me
Staying here all alone
When you could be
Taking me for a ride
[Chorus]
Yeah, she could drag me
Over the rainbow
Send me away
Down by the river
I shot my baby
Down by the river
Dead, oh, shot her dead
[Verse 2]
You take my hand
I’ll take your hand
Together we may get away
This much madness
Is too much sorrow
It’s impossible
To make it today
[Chorus]
She could drag me
Over the rainbow
And send me away
Down by the river
I shot my baby
Down by the river
Dead, oh, shot her dead
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: The kitten or Batmetal Returns?//
I figured everyone could use a cute break.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Mnemosyne:
It depends if the song is endorsing the violence or showing it in a negative light.
It’s like using racial/sexist slurs in a fictional work: it’s fine as long as the narrative makes it clear that using them is wrong
Miss Bianca
@Miss Bianca: Also, what the fucking FUCK is it with YouTube suddenly playing unstoppable ads in the middle of everything? Goddammit, I’ve had two Jared Polis ads in as many songs and I’m ready to throw shit. I’m VOTING for Polis, for fuck’s sake, leave me the fuck alone!
Whiny First World Problem Rant over. For now.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
And makes sense within the context of the work
Barbara
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: What you are seeing with people like Kathleen Parker is what they will never tell you in print, that they know and socialize with people like Graham and there is no fucking way they are ever going to stand up to someone who has that much power. They are always going to find a way to find something positive to say. Just disgusting. As much as I loathe Ed Rogers or Marc Thiessen, and boy do I loathe them, they don’t pretend to be anything but partisan hacks.
TenguPhule
@Miss Bianca:
Google is flexing its monopoly muscles.
Raven
@Tata: You’re a fucking idiot. Is that clear enough?
trollhattan
@TenguPhule:
Jesus. That’s malpractice. Worst thing from her I’ve ever seen.
Emma
@Miss Bianca: Hey I get a pop-up for Carlos Curbelo almost every time I come over to BJ, As if!
Martin
@Miss Bianca: Per-impression ad revenue has been falling. Consider that Google and Facebook have created virtually unlimited ad supply, so the value of each ad is dropping. The only way to maintain revenues is to push more ads. It’s a vicious cycle.
tobie
@Barbara: Given that Parker put forth the Doppelgänger-theory regarding Kavanaugh and Ford’s assault even before Ed Whelan’s tweets, I’m inclined to believe she socializes with a lot of the so-called conservative intelligentsia in DC.
Raven
Here’s a song with Joe in it. BAN IT!
Raven
@Mnemosyne: That’s bullshit, no where in that song are thew lyrics “Thanks Joe ” .
Raven
@Adam L Silverman: Vincebus Eruptum!
Adam L Silverman
@Emma:
PHRASING!!!!!!!
Adam L Silverman
@Raven: Gesundheit.
John Revolta
@Barbara: Back in the day. EVERY DAMN BAND had to do that song, because every hippie girl was
completely bonkers over Neil Young and they would request it. I didn’t get it. Still don’t actually.
Raven
@Adam L Silverman: Blue Cheer, 1st album. Great version of Summertime Blues.
Adam L Silverman
@Raven: I know, I was being a smartass.
Raven
@Adam L Silverman: It’s not exactly something you would have been listening to at Emory.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman:
Well, there’s a first. //
Amir Khalid
@Barbara:
The murder ballad that comes first to my mind is Banks Of The Ohio from the 19th century.
Miss Bianca
@TenguPhule: “Senator Jiminy Cricket”, my ASS. I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Adam L Silverman
@Raven: As we’ve discussed, I ran gear for a band while at Emory.
Emma
@Adam L Silverman: Ooops?
Miss Bianca
@Amir Khalid: Yep, that’s one of the classics. I had an album recorded at some obscure folk festival in Michigan back when I was a kid, featuring my sister and her then-husband singing that song. I played it over and over to try to learn the lyrics.
Maybe that early conditioning is why I still have a fatal jones for a murder ballad, even as I deplore the subject matter.
JR
Maybe you could go with a song by Joe
“Don’t Wanna Be a Player”
Raven
@Adam L Silverman: I’m surprised, they were pretty much done for by 69.
James E Powell
Just another sign of what fucked up country this is. A senator opposes putting a lying sexual assault guy on the supreme court and we are calling it an act of courage.
Viva BrisVegas
@Mnemosyne:
“There is a disturbing amount of domestic violence and statutory (at best) rape in” America. Or everywhere.
That is why there are songs about it.
When do we get to like Hey Joe again?
MobileForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: Are we still doing phrasing? :)
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Who could have ever imagined?
Evap
@Adam L Silverman: you went to Emory? When? What did you study?
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Or as my relatives call it a day ending in day.
Adam L Silverman
@Emma: These things happen…
Planetjanet
@Adam L Silverman: Thank you, Adam. I have been on the edge of crying off and on all day. Just seems all the work to try to make the world a little bit better is wasted. Honesty means nothing. Courage means nothing. Then I saw kittens and smiled. Thank you.
Adam L Silverman
@Raven: The guys from the band had some very eclectic tastes and were ten to fifteen years older than me.
Adam L Silverman
@MobileForkbeard: Based on that comment, I don’t think so.
Adam L Silverman
@Evap: OX 90, College 92. First honors graduate in what is now Middle Eastern Studies and was then the cumbersome and unfortunately named Near Eastern and Judaic Languages and Literatures. I also worked as a cook and bouncer at Jaggers and ran gear for The Sleepwalkers featuring Rueben Anderson.
James E Powell
@Mnemosyne:
Heretic!!!
But we can have a better Joe.
Evap
@Adam L Silverman: wow, I wonder if we ever crossed paths. I’ve been a math prof at Emory since 1987.
Adam L Silverman
@Planetjanet: You’re welcome.
The Democrats and anyone not a Democrat but opposed to what is going on are fighting asymmetrically. That means maneuvering not just to mass one’s opponents at a time and place of your choosing, but also to maneuver for time. Contrary to many professionals opinions, time is an ally of the revolutionary and the insurgent. Every day they make it through is one more day that those in power look less strong than the day before.
Planetjanet
@Adam L Silverman:I have not lost all hope, just needing to catch my breath. The trail is long and the night is dark. Tomorrow I canvass for Tim Kaine and Vangie Williams.
Adam L Silverman
@Evap: I did my stat’s class at Ox with Myra Frady, who is a hell of a math instructor. On the main campus I was basically taking classes with Oded, Devin, Benny, and Schifra in the department and then a bunch of polisci and history classes out of the department. I was Bill Shapiro’s student in polisci at Ox.
I was one of the four Jones Scholars selected to go to St. Andrews beginning in the Fall of 92.
Adam L Silverman
@Planetjanet: Have a good time.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman:
Thank you for this reminder. Delay, delay, delay – time is on *our* side, not theirs.
Now if I could just take the win and stop wading into it with RW-ers on line. Why, she wondered, are they singling out Senator Blumenthal for their ire over how poor, poor Brat Boy was treated so disrespectfully yesterday? Gee, there wouldn’t be any anti-Semitism lurking there, would there?
West of the Rockies
Has Kavanaugh been seen today? I would imagine word of the FBI investigation sent him into another epic hissy fit.
zhena gogolia
@Raven:
I think the original post title was “Hey Joe.”
Elizabelle
@Planetjanet: Yea Planetjanet! You are doing great work. And you will find some friendly faces at the doors.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@zhena gogolia:
Thank you. You enabled me to let go of a . . . warmer response.
Avalie
Added a little to push it over the goal…
Anotherlurker
@Amir Khalid: To me, the first to mind murder ballad is “Matty Groves” and it has to be Airport Convention’s version.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Anotherlurker:
“Airport Convention” would be a great tribute band name.
Sister Golden Bear
@Raven: No, Tata wasn’t an idiot.
If you’d looked at the URL for the post, you’d see that the original title was “Hey Joe” — as in Jimi Hendrix’s rather famous “Hey Joe,” which is a murder ballad about a man planning to, and then shooting “my woman down.” Hence the subsequent discussions about murder ballads.
Origuy
I went to Fairport Convention’s web site to see what they were up to. Turns out Maart Alcock, formerly of Jethro Tull as well as Fairport, died earlier this week.
raven
@Sister Golden Bear: Well I didn’t look at the url so I was wrong.
Barry
I just kicked in $100.
Please, contribute what you can afford.