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Open Thread: Taylor Swift Is No Longer the GOP’s ‘White Goddess’

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Let’s face it, a lot of professional Repubs are just 4Chan fascists with better social training…

Tears on their waifu pillows!

… Sunday night… Swift broke that political silence to endorse Phil Bredesen, the Democrat running for the U.S. Senate in her home state of Tennessee—and issue a damning indictment of his competitor, Republican Marsha Blackburn.

“In the past I’ve been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions,” Swift wrote on Instagram, “but due to several events in my life and in the world in the past two years, I feel very differently about that now.”

“I always have and always will cast my vote based on which candidate will protect and fight for the human rights I believe we all deserve in this country,” she continued. “I believe in the fight for LGBTQ rights, and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is WRONG. I believe that the systemic racism we still see in this country towards people of color is terrifying, sickening and prevalent. I cannot vote for someone who will not be willing to fight for dignity for ALL Americans, no matter their skin color, gender or who they love.”…

Swift’s endorsement provoked anger and disappointment for white supremacists on 4chan, who have created a bizarre fandom around Swift as the ideal white conservative woman. In a 4chan thread about the endorsement, 4chan posters bemoaned the loss of their pop idol, calling her “traitorous.” One user posted an image of a picture of Swift burning, while another added a meme saying the Bredesen endorsement had cost him his “last additional bit of hope.”

“It was good while it lasted, mates,” one 4chan user wrote…

Alyssa Rosenberg, at the Washington Post:

… What makes Swift’s endorsements intriguing isn’t the sense that she’s finally caught up to her celebrity peers. By the standards of Hollywood, Swift’s declaration — “I believe in the fight for LGBTQ rights and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is wrong. I believe that the systemic racism we still see in this country towards people of color is terrifying, sickening and prevalent” — makes her decidedly middle-of-the-road.

Rather, it was Swift’s allusion to “several events in my life and in the world in the past two years” that changed her mind about going public with her politics. Though she didn’t specify which events she was referring to, it’s entirely possible that the confluence of Swift’s civil suit against a man who groped her and the #MeToo movement provided that catalyst…

Let’s #BlameItOnBrett — see if that discourages any of his newfound ‘economically anxious’ friends.

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  2. 2.

    Baud

    I’m sorry, the old Taylor can’t come to the phone right now”
    “Why?”
    “Oh, ’cause she’s dead!”

  3. 3.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    What made these people ever think Swift shared their views? She was a blonde country music singer, so she must be a conservative?

  4. 4.

    jl

    The white genocide bunch’s crush on Swift was always absurd. Swift is on record on several interviews as having a loving fandom of Beyonce that, in her words, is ‘almost unhealthy’. And apparently they hang out together. LGBT associates have written about Swift’s empathy and embrace of, let alone tolerance for, diversity..

    I’m not a big Swift fan musically, but after the QAnon level BS about Swift spread, the stories would pop up in my browser, so I took a few minutes to read up on it.

    Edit: and the guy she’s supporting is no a huge liberal by any standards anyway. But he is not a Trumpist, so for the nutjobs, that is all you need to know.

  6. 6.

    Mnemosyne

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??:

    She’s not even a country singer. She’s a pop singer.

    They projected their fantasies onto her because they think she’s hawt and they want to fuck her. Period. Her real thoughts, feelings, and beliefs never impinged on their fantasy of her until now.

  7. 7.

    Death Panel Truck

    another added a meme saying the Bredesen endorsement had cost him his “last additional bit of hope.”

    Jeez, dude, that’s too bad. Maybe you should go out behind the barn and shoot yourself.

  8. 8.

    jl

    @Baud: Baud 2020!, in its next virtual incarnation. Baud 2020! can talk them down off the ledge.

    Edit: but that is not me being them, that is me trying to help. Sorry.

  9. 9.

    Martin

    Gee, white men trying to force a woman to conform to their will are disappointed when she resists. I’m detecting a trend here.

  10. 10.

    Amir Khalid

    You have to give Taylor Swift credit for being a better and savvier person than, say, Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan.

    Strictly personal whine: I am having to go out today wearing a do-rag, which I haven’t done in 20-odd years. I was giving myself the usual short haircut, which I had neglected to do for some time. And damn if the trimming device didn’t die on me before I was halfway through. I now have an odd-looking head of very closely cropped patches mixed with uncut patches. Feh.

  11. 11.

    A Ghost To Most

    If she brings along her pre-voting fans when they become voters, I might even need to listen to one of her songs. I have no idea what she sounds like.

  16. 16.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    What I know about Taylor Swift is “Ima let you finish” and Ryan Adams’ cover of Bad Blood. Does she really have meaningful influence?
    Thinking back to when I was young, looking back across the misty expanses of time and space, we thought MTV moved a lot of youngs to vote in ’92. I don’t think I’ve ever seen data on the 18-30 turn out then

  17. 17.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Mnemosyne:
    She was country-pop originally and I’m glad she fully changed genres a few years ago. Her new stuff is head and shoulders above what she did before; they were crappy break up songs with a twang

  18. 18.

    opiejeanne

    @Death Panel Truck: I think the “him” he was referring to in this case was Bredesen, as in Taylor Swift’s enndoresement would cost Bredesen whatever hope he had of winning the election.

  19. 19.

    Mnemosyne

    @Amir Khalid:

    This is why so many American men have a wardrobe full of assorted baseball caps. One of my brothers is under the mistaken assumption that no one can figure out he’s going bald as long as he wears one. ?

  20. 20.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mnemosyne: Can’t speak for your brother but I have no illusions I’m fooling anyone, just trying to keep the sun off my scalp

  21. 21.

    Mai Naem mobile

    For all you know she was conservative when she was younger and travelling around the world changed her opinion. It seems to happen to successful musicians who have to travel worldwide for their job. If somebody had told me years ago that Axl Rose was a liberal I would have been shocked.

  22. 22.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Greg Stohr @ GregStohr
    As Kavanaugh re-takes oath at White House this evening, worth noting that Sotomayor and Kagan didn’t take oaths at White House. Obama wanted it that way as a symbol of their independence, administration officials said at the time. #SCOTUS

  23. 23.

    Jay

    I don’t have any kudo’s to give to White Privlege Person’s who have suddenly become “woke”, when misogeny, racism, homophobia etc happens to “them”.

    She was the Nazi Princess online for a long long time, and never said nuthin.

  24. 24.

    Joyce Harmon

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??:

    What made these people ever think Swift shared their views? She was a blonde country music singer, so she must be a conservative?

    They believed it because they wanted to believe it. It’s not like the right has many (or ANY?) A-list celebrities. Since she was being silent about her political beliefs, that gave them an opening to decide that she was secretly on their side. 4chan apparently had thread after thread about clues that Swift was really one of them. In fact, I wonder if this weird mistaken adoption might have something to do with her going public with her beliefs now. Now they’re going on and on about her ‘betrayal’, as if she was ever with them in the first place.

    It’s really kind of like political stalkerism – like the guy who peeps in a girl’s windows and knows where she works and how she likes her coffee, etc – and then finds out she’s got a boyfriend and goes all ‘how could she DO this to me?!” when the girl doesn’t even know the guy exists.

    In fact, this whole thing might be preemptive damage control; maybe a publicist pointed out to her that the neo-nazis were calling her an Aryan Goddess, and she needed to get out in front of it and make clear that she’s NOT with those guys.

  25. 25.

    Amir Khalid

    @Jay:
    Maybe Swift was apprehensive about stirring up a harmful-to-sales political shitstorm, or her handlers were. Young pop stars on the rise don’t always have the autonomy that some assume they do.

  26. 26.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Jay:
    Come on dude, it’s not like she was an actual Nazi or something. She was probably afraid for a long time to voice her opinions. In this day and age, anybody willing to publicly speak about their politics (on the left obvs) and risk death threats is a good person in my book. She’s using her platform to make a difference

  28. 28.

    Eric S.

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m also not trying to fool anyone. I haven’t committed myself to just shaving my head because of laziness. Instead I use clippers at home every other weekend to trim it down short. It looks better.

    I probably should wear hats more to keep from burning but I’m not much of a fan. I always have one on when I play softball and helmet when riding a bike so there is that. I should store a hat in the convertible.

  31. 31.

    A Ghost To Most

    @Eric S.:
    To be fair, I have a full head of hair, and wear hats all the time. Now that winter is teasing, I’ve broken out my Stetson, instead of a baseball cap.

  33. 33.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Jay: Jeez, dude, she’s 28 years old, and has been “managed” for probably half that time. How smart were you when you were 28?

  35. 35.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    I giggled, so I think we were supposed to. Here’s the big bad guy and his whole trophy thing makes him look kind of … stupid. Add in that he’s a cheating cheater who cheats, and I think that’s the reaction they were aiming for. He turned out to be a pompous jerk, not a supervillain.

  38. 38.

    rk

    Trump has apologized to Bart whats his face on behalf of the whole nation and said that he was “proved innocent”. So technically we’ve all apologized to Bart. I thought Bart looked guilty as hell. Just like the Nazis Bart is another fine person.

  39. 39.

    Mnemosyne

    I let a random guy at Sharky’s Fresh Mexican Food pray for my bad knee. It didn’t bother me, and he was kind of cute even though he was obviously a little nuts.

  40. 40.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @rk:
    “Proved innocent”. It’s “found not guilty” moron (Trump, not you) and those standards of proof don’t apply to confirmation hearings. It’s real telling the thugs have to resort to “there’s no evidence of anything illegal that could be proven in a court of law. No employer would interview candidates that way and that’s what hearings are; job interviews

  43. 43.

    Kay

    Daniel W. Drezner
    ‏Verified account
    @dandrezner
    3h3 hours ago
    More
    Oh sweet Jesus Kavanaugh is giving a speech? God no…

    @dandrezner
    Kavanaugh is thanking individual Senators who voted for him?! HE’S THANKING DON MCGAHN??!!

    Daniel W. Drezner
    ‏For a guy who claims he’s going to be a neutral umpire Kavanaugh seems bound and determined to deliver what sounds like a formal campaign announcement.

    They’ll all deny it, because he’s in and the most important thing is to pretend it’s normal and that he’s legitimate, but it was really bad. We don’t have to pretend.

  45. 45.

    Jay

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: @Amir Khalid:

    She’s been a Nazi Fetish since GamerGate days.

    No way she or her Social Media Managers did not know, and for years, they said nothing. “woke” ain’t Nazi’s are bad in 2018.

    Kinda reminds me of last Friday, when Alberta’s United Conservative Party, was “shocked, shocked I tell you!!!!!!!”, when all the Nazi’s they invited to their “Meet The Cantidates” Pub Nights, showed up, despite RSVP’ing, then took hundreds of selfies if them, their “colours”, and the Cantidates, then posted them to The Book of Faces.

    Oops.

    @Gin & Tonic:

    When I was 28, I was starting my first “real” job, ( wages and benifits), getting married, buying my first house, taking night classes at BCIT in my new “profession”, volenteering with North Shore Search and Rescue, volenteering with Friends of Clayquat Sound, volenteering with Skinheads against Racism, negotiating with the Chehalis Salishan People on behalf of the BCFFF for joint projects and preparing for a 6 month deployment as a Seaforth Reservist seconded to the PPLIC to Bosnia.

  46. 46.

    frosty

    @Amir Khalid: Well, at least you have patches. I am now wearing a UPF50 hat for the rest of my life after the dermatologist didn’t like the sun damage on my hairless scalp.

    I shopped around and found Conner Hats in Oz rated UPF50 by the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency. How cool is that!

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    In the annals of Drunken Toxic Masculinity, a guy in the radiology waiting room with me apparently had a friend who got drunk while watching UFC and decided to tackle him to re-create the bout. Now this guy has cracked ribs and a black eye because of his drunk asshole friend. ?

  49. 49.

    Jay

    @frosty:

    There’s a ton of “flats fishing” clothes that are UV blockers, are breathable and comfortable in the tropics, for fishermen and women who want to avoid skin cancer.

  50. 50.

    Tenar Arha

    Here’s something good (plus bc I was out socializing I didn’t check the news or watch anything on what my beloved father used to call the boob tube/the idiot box).

    A Star Is Born Is the perfect tragic romance & emotional release we all need right now.

    ?? & double plus good. I’m serious. It was beyond all my expectations. And it so impressed my ace best friend she actually gave me permission to ID her sexuality & quote her; she said it was the first time in about 6 years that she cared about a heterosexual romance.

  55. 55.

    Burnspbesq

    Meanwhile, in another part of the jungle …

    Fresno Bee endorses Janz, ripping Nunes a new one in the process.

  56. 56.

    hueyplong

    Perhaps FTFNYT could send a half dozen reporters to Tennessee diners to get the Trumpsters’ anti-Swift quotes and reaffirm their continued support of the president.

  58. 58.

    Doug R

    I think some of you may be looking at this backwards. She’s been listening to management and carefully not committing to politics but now that she’s seen what’s going on and her own personal lawsuit and the Kavanaugh stirring up of old pain, she’s decided she can’t be quiet, sales be damned. She’s got enough cash, and I don’t think her revenues are going to drop.

  59. 59.

    NotMax

    Netflix, your slavish marketing is too transparent when ‘Because you watched Lords and Ladles‘ is pushing Black Panther.

    @Amir Khalid

    Not your month when it comes to things electronic, is it?

  62. 62.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    From the opinion page of the FTFNYT:

    The Paranoid Style in G.O.P. Politics

    The subheadline reads “Republicans are an authoritarian regime in waiting”.

    The more immediate threat comes from what we saw on the Republican side during and after the hearing: not just contempt for the truth, but also a rush to demonize any and all criticism. In particular, the readiness with which senior Republicans embraced crazy conspiracy theories about the opposition to Kavanaugh is a deeply scary warning about what might happen to America, not in the long run, but just a few weeks from now.

    About that conspiracy theorizing: It began in the first moments of Kavanaugh’s testimony, when he attributed his problems to “a calculated and orchestrated political hit” motivated by people seeking “revenge on behalf of the Clintons.” This was a completely false, hysterical accusation, and making it should in itself have disqualified Kavanaugh for the court.

    But Donald Trump quickly made it much worse, attributing protests against Kavanaugh to George Soros and declaring, falsely (and with no evidence), that the protesters were being paid.

    […]

    When people on the political fringe blame shadowy forces — often, as it happens, sinister Jewish financiers — for their frustrations, you can write it off as delusional. When people who hold most of the levers of power do the same thing, their fantasizing isn’t a delusion, it’s a tool: a way to delegitimize opposition, to create excuses not just for disregarding but for punishing anyone who dares to criticize their actions.

    That’s why conspiracy theories have been central to the ideology of so many authoritarian regimes, from Mussolini’s Italy to Erdogan’s Turkey. It’s why the governments of Hungary and Poland, former democracies that have become de facto one-party states, love to accuse outsiders in general and Soros in particular of stirring up opposition to their rule. Because, of course, there can’t be legitimate complaints about their actions and policies.

    […]

    Well, think of what Trump and his party might do if they retain both houses of Congress in the coming election. If you aren’t terrified of where we might be in the very near future, you aren’t paying attention.

    We must prevail.

  64. 64.

    Ken

    @lamh36: My main reaction to the season premiere was “Did the BBC sell all their lighting equipment?” I’m glad the trailers for the rest of the season look brighter.

  65. 65.

    Burnspbesq

    @Jay:

    You’re entitled to your opinion. You’re also entitled to be told when you’re full of shit. It’s one of the perks of Balloon-Juice Gold Membership.

  66. 66.

    Mnemosyne

    @dmsilev:

    I just realized that the friend with him in the waiting room is the friend who tackled him, which I guess is the very least he could do.

    @MomSense:

    Don’t tell G, but the guy was really cute. Most likely Korean since they tend to be Christians in this area. I bet all the girls at his church make up “ailments” just to have him pray with them.

  67. 67.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kay:

    Elizabeth Drew @ ElizabethDrewOH
    A Supreme Court justice has declared his heavy obligation to a president who’s in legal trouble.

    the whole spectacle was outrageous

  70. 70.

    Jay

    @Doug R:

    If “Management” had half a brain, or wasn’t Nazi’s, they would have called it out half a decade ago.

    Nazi’s don’t buy Taylor Swift songs or go to her concerts.

    They save their few dollars for ROWA acts.

    @Burnspbesq:

    Back atcha Eeore

  71. 71.

    Brickley Paiste

    There are adults in this country who care what Taylor Swift has to say about politics?

    The Republic is lost.

  73. 73.

    Duane

    Taylor Swift has caused the single largest downpour of wingnut tears in history. Well done, young lady.

  76. 76.

    Mnemosyne

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Meh. Being in Hell-Lay, our Bible thumpers tend to be a little thin on the ground, so it’s a novelty to run into one. And I don’t mind people praying for me as long as they ask nicely and don’t throw it in my face as a weapon during an argument.

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    @Jay:

    They do buy her merchandise, though.

    Plus she and her management were probably hoping that weird popularity was going to fade away without them having to do anything about it. Celebrities can’t always control what fandom picks up on them.

  82. 82.

    joel hanes

    @Baud:

    Who would you pick as a fake fantasy girlfriend of you were them?

    Tomi Lahren
    Lila Rose
    Pam Bondi
    Ann Coulter
    Anne Althouse
    Kathleen Parker
    Marsha Blackburn
    Michele Bachmann
    Christine O’Donnell

    any of the Fox and Friends couch-sitters

  85. 85.

    Barbara

    On national indigenous day three professional sports teams that conspicuously use mascots and logos associated with indigenous stereotypes and slurs got the s**t kicked out of them. Coinkydink?

  88. 88.

    NotMax

    @Mnemosyne

    Being in Hell-Lay

    L.A. is home to both the Museum of Tolerance and the Museum of Death. Weird bookends. About the latter:

    …their coverage of serial killers like Charles Manson is bordering on the celebratory. Source

  89. 89.

    joel hanes

    @Steve in the ATL:

    The first three were intended semi-seriously, as was the last.
    Actually, there was a time where if you were a Republican who wanted to get laid,
    you hoped to spend time with Helen Chenoweth.

  90. 90.

    Barbara

    @Steve in the ATL: The only thing I don’t like about Swift is how calculating her every move seems to be. As much as I understand why, it is hard to know what is genuine, but it seems unlikely she did this for any other reason than the one she gave.

  91. 91.

    dww44

    @Kay: I’ve never seen anything like that ceremony earlier this evening. How could any fair minded citizen thing this process has been fair? There’s no way that sycophantic newly minted justice Kavanaugh can possibly deliver a just and fair and neutral opinion.

    Court packing time, here we come! If it can be done legislatively without oversight from the SC itself?

  93. 93.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Barbara: well, she forgot to mention that she prefers the ladies…

    But I’m very happy that she did that. I hope more celebrities follow her brave example.

  95. 95.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Steve in the ATL: It’s not like I am buying it. Don’t get In a hipster fight with me because I am tired and want to go to bed soon. I’d appreciate the courtesy.

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    @dww44:

    How could any fair minded citizen thing this process has been fair?

    No one thinks that, including the Republicans. That was the point. They were gloating that their boy is on the Supreme Court now and they can do whatever they want without any lame-ass “rule of law” stopping them.

  99. 99.

    J R in WV

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    So the New York Times says:

    Well, think of what Trump and his party might do if they retain both houses of Congress in the coming election. If you aren’t terrified of where we might be in the very near future, you aren’t paying attention.

    And they have the gall to say this after the New York Times and their followers in the MSM hand-delivered the nation to Trump just two years ago???!!!

    Hoping the meteor falls on the Sulzberger estates directly now. Soonest!!

  100. 100.

    Matt McIrvin

    @frosty: I wear a Tilley hat everywhere. It is essential. It also gets you strange greetings from other Tilley hat owners who believe that they constitute some sort of tribe.

  101. 101.

    J R in WV

    We don’t want to forget, “Justice” Kavanaugh can’t give a wash to Trump and his Trumpettes by himself. He needs 4 other “Justices” to work with him, and that may be a surprise to him, not being followed by judges who think they are actually really judges.

    Scalia is dead and gone, and would have worked with “Justice” Kavanaugh. I’m not sure about all four of the other current RWNJ Justices. The Supremes may not operate quite like “Justice” Kavanaugh expects. I’m hoping, always the optimist, sometimes that works, sometimes hit don’t.

  103. 103.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @Mnemosyne:

    He turned out to be a pompous jerk, not a supervillain.

    I would argue that the only difference is the amount of damage they cause in the end.

  105. 105.

    FlyingToaster

    @lamh36:

    Were we supposed to giggle?

    We* certainly did. Tim Shaw was ludicrous. And a cheat. And the new Doctor is just as lost as Capaldi was, which I liked then and like now.

    *HerrDoktor, WarriorGirl, and myself.

    I checked Barnes & Noble today to see if they had the new sonic screwdriver available, but no.

  107. 107.

    J R in WV

    Speaking of female music stars:

    I’ve been rocking out with Susan Tedeschi lately. The Tedeschi Trucks Band is a great, tight unit of superb musicians working together all over the world, and Susan Tedeschi is an amazing singer and guitarist. Derek Trucks is a good guitarist, but I think his girlfriend has him beat, a little. Just my preference, really, as Derek is a burner tearing up the thang, but Susan is a little more melodic.

    I lucked into seeing and hearing the blues for the first time at the Newport Folk Fesitval in the summer of 1968, and have loved it ever since. Great to have young musicians keeping that flame alive and burning bright and hot. Just go to Youtube and search on “susan tedsechi” and then pick Midnight in Harlem for one good place to start.

  110. 110.

    joel hanes

    @NotMax:

    Once upon a time in Republican bigot-land, Anita Bryant was not just for swimsuit competions any more.
    Miss Oklahoma 1958
    Miss orange juice spox 1968
    Miss anti-gay Christianist bigot 1977
    Miss pie in face same year

  112. 112.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    So here’s the thing. Even before this announcement, Taylor Swift had donated heavily to RAINN and pro-LGBT charities, had supported Kesha in her fight against the horrific abuse she’d been subjected to, and had gone to court against someone who’d groped her. Anyone who thought she was going to support Republicans was either ignorant or delusional.

    Don’t get me wrong; I find myself wishing she’d spoken out more explicitly sooner, too. Given the knife-edge upon which 2016 turned, something banal as Swift endorsing Clinton could literally have changed the outcome of the election. But I can’t find it in me to care too much. She’s spoken out now, and not in a half-assed manner, either.

    I still don’t think I could tell you how any of her songs go, though. I know I’ve heard several of them, and some of them seemed fine when they were on, but I haven’t gone back to seek them out.

  113. 113.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Maybe they took her to be the reincarnation of Eva Braun? Who knows? These are stupid people who worship Trump and Hitler.

    They worship Trump because he is stupid, all they know of Hitler is from the rant scene in The Bunker, but they haven’t seen the rest of the movie to get the context and they think they are being ironic and witty, except like the Flat Earth movement they’ve mouthed the words so much they brainwashed themselves. . That’s really wierd thing, they do know this is horrible and stupid behavior but they’ve rewired their own brain’s and won’t let go because it’s the price for belonging to /4chan.

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