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You are here: Home / Elections / I'm With Her 2016 / Saturday Morning Open Thread: IMPOLITE ARROGANT WOMAN!

Saturday Morning Open Thread: IMPOLITE ARROGANT WOMAN!

by Anne Laurie|  October 13, 20185:32 am| 190 Comments

This post is in: I'm With Her 2016, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity, Vagina Outrage

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“You know when I was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country. Women were sacred, looked upon with great honor. That's obviously not the case anymore, as we've seen from recent cases.” — John Kelly last year https://t.co/d86FF7Kw1W

— Irin Carmon (@irin) October 11, 2018

Yeah, used to be a woman was ‘sacred’ — as long as she didn’t speak up, make waves, stand up for what she believed in. But times have changed, Mr. Kelly!

I got an email from my favorite Senator:

You probably remember: Right after Donald Trump became President, one of his first orders of business was launching an illegal, bigoted Muslim ban.

We all felt powerless at the time – Republicans had just won the White House and both branches of Congress – but my staff and I wanted to do something about it. So we tried to get answers from the Department of Homeland Security about their policy of illegally detaining Massachusetts residents (and their family members) at Boston Logan Airport.

There was only one problem: Trump’s new Director of Homeland Security – John Kelly – wouldn’t return our calls and emails. My staff emailed back and forth with his staff, but we couldn’t get them to set up a call or answer our questions.

When I finally did get on the phone with John Kelly, I asked if he had an office number that I could use in the future to get in touch more quickly. He brushed me off, directing me to the main line listed on the Department of Homeland Security’s website (really). Even worse, he bizarrely insisted that I’d made the whole thing up and we’d never tried to reach him in the first place. I happened to be looking at all the emails between his staff and my staff when he said this, so I started reading them to him. He accused me again of making it all up.

So what happened next? You guessed it – I persisted. I asked again for his number. He hemmed and hawwed, and he again tried to give me the Department’s main line. Let’s just say that’s when the conversation really started getting awkward – and that I persisted longer than he did. Eventually, he didn’t just give me his office number – he gave me his cell number…

Was I tough on John Kelly in that phone call? You bet I was. And apparently he didn’t like it. According to an email he wrote about our conversation just afterwards, which was just released, he called me “an impolite arrogant woman”…

What an impolite arrogant woman. She immediately began insulting our people accusing them of not following the court order, insulting and abusive behavior towards those covered by the pause, blah blah blah.

“Blah blah blah.” That’s all he had to say when he was called out for breaking the law and destroying lives. And I don’t know about John Kelly – but there are some men who can only hear “blah blah blah” whenever a woman’s talking. One of his aides wrote back, “Too bad Senate Majority Leader McConnell couldn’t order her to be quiet again!”

Clever. Well, Mitch McConnell can’t shut me up – and neither can John Kelly. (He can’t even get Donald Trump off Twitter, and as far as I can tell, that was his main job description when he took on the role of White House Chief of Staff)…

ALL THE SHADE, from the Senator Professor.

Is there merch available? Of course there is! As one twitter user wrote, “Etsy is not ready for what’s about to happen here.” You can order some directly from Warren’s website, or look around for other options (I kinda like “Impolite Arrogant Women Get Things Done.”)

Women are more fired up about voting than ever, and the GOP is slowly shedding men, too. Not shocking when Trump rallies now feature “lock her up!” chants about any woman Trump points at for ridicule. https://t.co/iG105KdnGp

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) October 10, 2018

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— JediKathy (@jedi_kathy) October 12, 2018

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  1. 1.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 5:44 am

    Blech.

  2. 2.

    Bostonian

    October 13, 2018 at 5:52 am

    I think John Kelly’s job has been downgraded from keeping Trumpski off Twitter to keeping Trumpski out of court.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 5:55 am

    @Bostonian: Kelley’s job is keeping his job.

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2018 at 6:10 am

    Good Morning,Everyone ???

  5. 5.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 6:30 am

    Beto really is a different kind of politician:

    Beto O’Rourke, the charismatic Democrat who is stirring things up in Texas with his attempt to turf Ted Cruz out of the US Senate, is famous for leaving no stone unturned. He has visited all of Texas’s 254 counties this past year. That’s a lot of shoe leather in a state larger than France. But just how far O’Rourke is prepared to go in trying to wrest the state from being Republican stranglehold (the last time Texas sent a Democrat to the US Senate was in 1993) only became clear after the Guardian published an article on his campaign last week.

    The end of the piece described a 21-year-old Latino man called Sebastian Esquivel who works in his family’s restaurant, Milupita Taco House, in Gonzales, a small cowboy town south of Austin. Some level of detachment from Esquivel was perhaps to be expected, given the low level of political engagement and turnout among Hispanic Texans. But Esquivel revealed that only one member of his 20-strong extended Hispanic family had ever voted. Having been ignored for so long by politicians of all colors, what was the point?

    “To be honest, to me it doesn’t really matter,” Esquivel said.

    It turns out that O’Rourke – having read the Guardian story – was shocked by that comment. He discussed it with his senior staffers, and decided something had to be done.

    Esquivel is now a registered voter.

  6. 6.

    satby

    October 13, 2018 at 6:34 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: ? Morning.
    @Bostonian: what Ozark said.
    @rikyrah: Good morning ?!

    Just having my coffee before getting ready for the market. And short day there because I have to drive to Minooka (IL) for a birthday party for a very dear friend this afternoon. 2 hours each way, but I wouldn’t miss it. Son and D-i-L will also be there, so bonus visit with the kids.

  7. 7.

    satby

    October 13, 2018 at 6:41 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: the last day to register. Wish there had been a couple of days so some of his family had been able to register too. Beto reaching out to their son probably impressed them too.

  8. 8.

    satby

    October 13, 2018 at 6:47 am

    And no worries about Sen. Warren. She can handle Kelly and McConnell.

    Frost in lots of areas last night, so the colors should start to pop on the trees soon. I love fall and the return to cooler weather.
    Edited to add: gotta go, everyone have a great day.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    October 13, 2018 at 6:51 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  10. 10.

    Mary G

    October 13, 2018 at 7:05 am

    Senator Warren is growing on me more and more. John Kelly is a misogynist asshole who needs to go away. Far away.

  11. 11.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 13, 2018 at 7:10 am

    I love Warren but IMHO that email invites the tl;dr tag. She’s extremely good at explaining things out loud. I remember her on The Daily Show talking about the ACA.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    October 13, 2018 at 7:15 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    tl;dr Fuck Kelly.

  13. 13.

    WereBear

    October 13, 2018 at 7:22 am

    Yup. Known to be impolite and arrogant myself, when needed.

    Of course, in a man, that’s called honest and forthright. FYI.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 7:29 am

    Senator Warren does not suffer fools gladly.

  15. 15.

    MazeDancer

    October 13, 2018 at 7:39 am

    If you haven’t seen the commercial of “8 BadAss Women” running for office, you really want to watch and cheer.

    I teared up a little. Like watching Obama preach freedom in the rain teary. Good people, stepping up, heeding the call.

    We have addresses to write PostCards for two of the BadAss Women – Elaine Luria and Abigail Spanberger. Just got in a fresh batch, actually.

    If they can step up and run for office, you can do 5 or 10 PostCards. I know you can.

    PostCardPatriots.com

  16. 16.

    J R in WV

    October 13, 2018 at 7:41 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    And so many fools in high places to suffer from today… I’m sure she is up to the challenge. But so much stupid, so concentrated.

    Have placed the bakery order now, will call the fish shop as soon as I get up to reserve some good fresh seafood. I enjoy cooking with good ingredients, but am mostly done with poultry. Hope Joe has oysters I can fry!!

    There’s a music event, organ concerto with chamber orchestra, afternoon and evening, was hoping to fetch bread and seafood, then go to the concert at First Presby before coming home for the weekend. Don’t know if wife is up for it, she has little endurence and less patience.

    Have a nice weekend, jackals!

  17. 17.

    Ken

    October 13, 2018 at 7:47 am

    @WereBear: I’ve seen lists of gender-specific adjective pairs. Long lists.

  18. 18.

    Mike R

    October 13, 2018 at 7:47 am

    My wingnut bil started off about how Kavanaugh was treated poorly and that woman was confused. He did this while speaking to his sisters who quickly became impolite and arrogant. Loved his expression of shock, confusion and dismay. He remains a wingnut but was quiet and meek the rest of the visit.

  19. 19.

    Baud

    October 13, 2018 at 7:53 am

    @Mike R: Now we need to just scale that up nationally.

  20. 20.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 7:54 am

    @J R in WV: I’m going to a hog roast today. Kind of overdid it the past couple days helping my friends prepare for it (even helped butcher the hog) The weather will be “meh” (cloudy, 53) but the people will be worth it. I have a bunch of late season heritage maters I harvested earlier this week that I’m gonna make a mater salad out of for my contribution to the food binge.

  21. 21.

    waratah

    October 13, 2018 at 7:54 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yes he is. The polls are not reflecting what I am seeing in Texas.

  22. 22.

    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues

    October 13, 2018 at 7:55 am

    It is hard to express the contempt one feels for the likes of Kelly, McConnell, DJT and the rest of the GOP. I of course feel terribly for Kelly for losing his son: however his actions since the 2016 have been inexcusable.

    First the denigration of the Khans, then the unfeeling and blatantly racist campaign against Myeisha Johnson and Congresswoman Wilson. Finally, the absolutely horrendous policy of wrenching apart families and punishing children, an ongoing atrocity. Most recently, the appointment of a credibly-accused sexual molester to the highest court.

    These folks are evil and stupid fascists. The party needs to be destroyed in the polls.

  23. 23.

    oldster

    October 13, 2018 at 8:01 am

    Early in this whole sad affair–sometime in the ’16 primaries–Jeet Heer commented on his twitter feed that Trump gave us the patriarchy stripped of chivalry.

    I’ve always thought that is very insightful.

    The new GOP ideology is pure hatred for women, with no remaining pretense of special treatment, no illusions that women are “sacred”.

    And it’s eye-opening for a lot of women who were raised under the patriarchy, with the illusion of chivalry.

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 8:03 am

    @Mike R: None of my sisters ever suffered any fools gladly and are not shy about it either. Your bil is lucky to have them and a little humble pie never hurt anyone.

  25. 25.

    bemused

    October 13, 2018 at 8:07 am

    @Mike R:

    This made me smile. Clueless bil is clueless if he didn’t expect his sisters to be so impolite and arrogant.

  26. 26.

    Eric Running

    October 13, 2018 at 8:13 am

    Whenever they start chanting “Lock her up!” I hear it as “Burn the witch!” Same mentality. Rallies are now about 50% Nuremberg and 50% Salem witch trials.

  27. 27.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2018 at 8:15 am

    @Mary G:
    John Kelly ain’t shyt ?

  28. 28.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2018 at 8:18 am

    There is a veteran running for Congress as a Democrat from West Virginia. He is probably like Manchin, but his ads are kick butt

  29. 29.

    Mike R

    October 13, 2018 at 8:24 am

    @Baud: One sister even made him watch Rachel Maddow, paybacks are glorious.

  30. 30.

    Quinerly

    October 13, 2018 at 8:26 am

    Good morning everyone! Poco is in deep snooze on the bed. No interest in going outside. Chilly here. Entering the final stages of the many month walk out basement apartment project here in Soulard. Anyone have any experience with staining concrete floors? The products at Lowe’s and HD have terrible reviews. I been on line and done some research. The bathroom is getting a penny floor! By my calculations it will take around 13,000 pennies. I have “cleaned” batches of pennies in 3 various hues of copper based on salt and vinegar and just plain vinegar. Oddly, this little aspect of the project has helped me to get through the week. Sorting and going through these boxes of pennies, some going back to the 1960’s has settled my mind and has been relaxing break. Lots of Leon Russell, Leonard Cohen, and Dylan helped in the process.
    I’m off to track down some 100 plus year old joist/beams to use for shelving. Have a great day everyone! Tail wags from Poco (he’s finally stirring) and soft meows from John Lennon, fearless rescue kitty.

  31. 31.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 8:30 am

    This has been around for a week but I just now found it: All the men who never assaulted me

    When I was 16, I also went to a house party. A garden-variety insecure teenager, I didn’t like the way I looked in a bathing suit, and my hair always seemed wrong. Years of intense, childlike self-analysis had led me to the conclusion that I must be unattractive, and I worried that meant no one would ever like me. This idea seemed, for reasons I could not name, fatal.

    That night, I was determined to overcome my invisibility. I put on a low-cut shirt and dark red-brown lipstick that I’d only ever worn standing alone in my bathroom, trying to determine if I might ever be the sort of girl who wore lipstick. That night, the makeup felt like a costume. When someone offered me a bottle full of strawberry-kiwi-flavored liquid, I drank it quick, then another. I started to laugh louder, talk more, and smile too much at a boy I knew in passing, someone’s older brother.

    We discussed, I assume, whatever teenagers talked about in 1995. He put his hand on my arm and asked me if I wanted to go outside with him, where we could be alone. I couldn’t believe it. A boy liked me? I wondered if he was confusing me with someone else; I wondered what happened outside; I wondered if I wanted to know. I said, slurring, “Maybe.” He squeezed my arm a bit tighter. “That’s not yes,” he said, looking in my eyes, waiting.

    It wasn’t. I went back to some friends on the couch. He went on to another conversation. I got home safe that night, un-assaulted, for one reason: I had not met an assaulter.

  32. 32.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 8:30 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Boy, if they consider Warren impolite, what would they think of us?

  33. 33.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 8:32 am

    @Mike R:

    You’d think a man would be smart enough not to bring that up in that kind of tone when he’s in a group of women.

  34. 34.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 8:37 am

    @debbie: Crazy psycho bitches. My oldest sis was very proud of being called that.

  35. 35.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 8:40 am

    O/T question for homeowners: Fuses (or those circuit things, actually) have started going off for no apparent reason. I woke up Wednesday with no a/c, fridge, or stove. I flipped all the circuits back and forth somewhat frantically, and then everything came on. When I got home from work, same thing (though a different section of the apartment). I had turned off the a/c but left the fan running.

    Landlord sent a tech to check while I was at work, and I think all he did was test outlets. It’s happened a couple times. I’ve been told not to use a lot of things with heavy amps at the same time which is bullshit because I was asleep the first time and only the a/c would have been running. Also, I don’t have heavy amped televisions, music systems, etc. The major stuff is the a/c, stove, etc. that are part of the apartment.

    Does anyone think this could be a problem with an aging a/c or a/c fan? I’d really like to sound like I know what I’m talking about when I call and persist with my complaint. Sadly, I’m totally ignorant on this stuff.

  36. 36.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 13, 2018 at 8:41 am

    Clearly Warren needs to step it up if they are only calling her impolite and arrogant.

    And Christ on a pogo, Kelly is a Marine officer. I think signs of early deminita must be a requirement for the Trump admin.

  37. 37.

    A Ghost To Most

    October 13, 2018 at 8:42 am

    Mounted the stabilizer jacks on the trailer yesterday. Today is adding electric brakes, if the weather holds. Otherwise, getting ready for the first real snow of the season tonight. For you skiiers, Wolf Creek Pass ski area is now open.

  38. 38.

    Brachiator

    October 13, 2018 at 8:43 am

    “You know when I was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country. Women were sacred, looked upon with great honor. That’s obviously not the case anymore, as we’ve seen from recent cases.” — John Kelly last year

    Kelly made these remarks when he was insulting the character of a black congresswoman. This was when a few people were still defending Kelly as being the only adult in the room of the Trump administration. WaPo and other sources:

    White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly said Monday he would not apologize for the false attacks he leveled against Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.) this month when he sought to defend President Trump for his handling of a condolence call to the widow of a fallen soldier.

    On Oct. 19, in a rare appearance at the White House media briefing, Kelly attacked Wilson as an “empty barrel” and accused her of grandstanding at a public event two years ago in Florida by taking credit for securing federal funding for a new building.

    Video of the event soon released by the Florida Sun Sentinel showed Wilson did no such thing. Rather, she used her speech to praise the two slain FBI agents in whose memory the building was named. Wilson accused Kelly of “character assassination,” and members of the Congressional Black Caucus demanded that Kelly apologize.

    In an interview to be broadcast Monday night, Fox News Channel host Laura Ingraham asked Kelly whether he had something to apologize for.

    “Oh, no,” Kelly replied. “No. Never. Well, I’ll apologize if I need to. But for something like that, absolutely not. I stand by my comments.”

    A clear example of the vile belief that women are sacred as long as they know their place.

  39. 39.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 8:43 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I’m only speaking to one of my three brothers. I told him recently, when he was trying to get us all talking again, that he should know that I have discarded my resting bitch face and he should proceed accordingly and carefully.

  40. 40.

    Raven

    October 13, 2018 at 8:47 am

    @debbie: you are tripping a circuit breaker.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_breaker
    Ozarknwill explain further

  41. 41.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 8:50 am

    @Quinerly:

    Behr deck stain turned out to be a disaster for me so I would ask a good contractor what they recommend.

  42. 42.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 8:50 am

    @Raven:

    Thanks!

  43. 43.

    Sab

    October 13, 2018 at 8:51 am

    @debbie: Been there. Done that. If your house is old you need an electrician to spend a few thousands
    to bring you up to code. I lived in an old house forty years ago a lot like “Green Acres” ( toaster one, iron two, spacer heater 15, anything above an unknown max blows all your power.)If you screw it up overwhelming your power supply you could burn your house down.

    This is my not an expert opinion. Any experts have an opinion?

  44. 44.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 13, 2018 at 8:53 am

    @debbie:

    Does anyone think this could be a problem with an aging a/c or a/c fan?

    It is certainly possible, but if you are having several breakers throw at once that is unlikely to be the cause. How old is your place? Electrical standards change over the years. For instance it is now code (? or maybe just common practice) for the refrigerator to have a dedicated 20 amp circuit. The stove is certainly on a dedicated 220 volt (probably 30 amp) circuit.

    It could be your circuit breakers are just old and wore out (every time they flip, they become more likely to flip again) or you may have had some voltage surges from the power company.You really need an electrician to come and inspect it, not get advice over the internet from a carpenter who has learned just enough from electricians to be a danger to himself.

  45. 45.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 9:05 am

    @Sab:
    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Thanks. I just need to get a better feel for how this stuff works. Is there one main circuit breaker (controlled by the electric company) that then goes to the different breakers in the apartments’ box? I know this is how phone lines work.

    ETA: The switches haven’t flipped. I’m flipping them.

  46. 46.

    BruceFromOhio

    October 13, 2018 at 9:08 am

    Senator Warren visited here with Senator Sherrod Brown for a get-the-locals-fired-up fundraiser, and it was so great to see them together. I honestly hope both are satisfied to stay in the Senate, as they are so badly needed to help get our collective shit together once we put the whammy on the two-bit ratfuck soulless criminals slithering around the halls of power.

  47. 47.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 9:08 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I once went to a high school party (not a usual thing for me) that was a strange mash up of jocks and theater types. I was sipping on some horrific sweet juice like wine and talking with a theater friend when these super drunk jocks started harassing me. They were surrounding me, separating me from my friend, and trying to move me somewhere else. Fortunately my friend barreled into the middle and removed me to the bathroom. We locked the door and those assholes were right outside. We honestly believed they were going to force their way in so we hatched our ridiculous plan. Being theater types, I pretended to vomit while she pretended to be very concerned about how gross it was until they left the door. We were genuinely scared but we kept silently laughing in between fake puking sounds and I think it was fear, nerves, the absurdity of our escape plan – all of it. I will never forget the way they handled me. Those boys knew exactly what they were doing and I bet they had done that before. The only reason I wasn’t raped that night is because my friend saved me.

  48. 48.

    trnc

    October 13, 2018 at 9:10 am

    Anyone else getting slammed with Chicken Little emails from Danny O’Connor in Ohio after making general donation to house candidates? Trying to decide whether to talk him off the ledge or tell him to jump. Lean toward talking down, but only barely because we need the House.

  49. 49.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 9:13 am

    @trnc:

    They’re all doing that. Cordray, Brown, O’Connor. It must be some consultant’s idea as to how to create a sense of urgency. I am not a fan of consultants.

  50. 50.

    BruceFromOhio

    October 13, 2018 at 9:15 am

    @Sab: My expertise is knowing when to hire an expert, and this is one of those times. A certified, bonded electrician is worth the expense, as this is one of those things you have to get right the first time, lest damage or injury result.

  51. 51.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 13, 2018 at 9:18 am

    Sorry for the self-promo but if any Chicago area peeps are free, I’ll be at the Schaumburg library from 11-1, celebrating Indie Authors Day. Japa and Mrs. Japa might drop by, which will be lovely if they can. I’ll have books to sell and sign, but I’d be thrilled just to have someone to talk to other than Mr DAW! I’ve never done this kind of event before and oddly it makes me more nervous than the reading I did on Thursday. Also I’ll have free bookmarks! Free!

  52. 52.

    frosty

    October 13, 2018 at 9:22 am

    @debbie: I got those from Bob Casey and then they stopped. I thought it was because he was ahead and outraised his opponent. Well, no. Just found out they’re all in the spam inbox now. Fine with me.

  53. 53.

    Honus

    October 13, 2018 at 9:22 am

    @debbie: yeah, that’s what I understand to be “locker room talk”

    Never really liked it in the locker room either, TBH.

  54. 54.

    Quinerly

    October 13, 2018 at 9:28 am

    @MomSense: The Behr and Valspar products seem to be a disaster. Complaints about peeling even if prepped properly. Found a product on line with great reviews. Can’t find my book mark for it on this smarty pants phone right now. I’m weeks if not months out from that portion so time to ask lots of questions.

  55. 55.

    Quinerly

    October 13, 2018 at 9:32 am

    @MomSense: Here’s the product I have been zeroing in on: http://www.directcolors.com. They are out of Shawnee, OK. Great looking website with videos and free project consultation.

  56. 56.

    Honus

    October 13, 2018 at 9:36 am

    @debbie: that is really odd. AC, fridge, and stove will all be on separate circuits. (Stove and AC will likely also be on 220 circuits). IOW, they are not connected to each other so using them all won’t overload any one circuit.
    It’s also odd that the next time different circuits were affected. This all leads me to believe that the problem is not your wiring but the service. Believe it or not, in some areas power to each side of the panel can come into the house from different sources. When one “leg” fails, only part of the building will be out; the rest will remain on. This happens more often with a “208 leg” which is too complicated to explain but if you get an older electrician that knows your area that may mean something to him.

    I’ve held a Class A contractor’s license for 33 years, so I am answering from some experience.

  57. 57.

    jeffreyw

    October 13, 2018 at 9:37 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    a little humble pie never hurt anyone.

  58. 58.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 9:38 am

    @Honus:

    This is great information. Thanks!

  59. 59.

    Geeno

    October 13, 2018 at 9:41 am

    @debbie: Especially your sisters FFS. Your siblings know you like no one else in the world does and are 100% guaranteed to be completely unimpressed by your mansplain tone. What was he thinking.

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    lamh36

    October 13, 2018 at 9:42 am

    Too early in the morning for this witch but U ‪guys are gonna love this ??…but wait didn’t her spokesperson say “there was no message…”????‬

    Melania Trump tells @TomLlamasABC she wore the ‘I really don’t care’ jacket “for the people and for the left-wing media who are criticizing me. And I want to show them that I don’t care.” #MelaniaTrump abcn.ws/2INOvHT
    ‪https://twitter.com/abc/status/1050936978026389504?s=21‬

  61. 61.

    TS (the original)

    October 13, 2018 at 9:45 am

    @Quinerly: I’ve never heard of a penny floor and had to go google it. Would be rather easier with the old Australian/English pennies cause they were much larger. What an amazement – and surely an activity to take the mind of GOP politics. In my youth I painted a concrete floor – paint wore off in less than a year. I think we then got it tiled. I am obviously no help whatsoever but thank you for taking my mind off some nonsense on our news about Melania’s love for her husband.

  62. 62.

    Honus

    October 13, 2018 at 9:47 am

    @Raven: she may or may not be tripping a circuit breaker but that’s kind of irrelevant. The question is why. A circuit breaker trips to indicate a problem with the circuit that should be corrected (and also to protect the circuit from being further damaged)

  63. 63.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 9:47 am

    @Quinerly:

    Peeling even though prepped properly is exactly what happened with my deck stain. Of course the peeling isn’t uniform enough that you don’t have to sand and strip the rest of it.

  64. 64.

    Honus

    October 13, 2018 at 9:51 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: actually Ozark, I think you are exactly correct in your diagnosis. And your advice is good. Debbie needs a real electrician.

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    Tazj

    October 13, 2018 at 9:52 am

    @lamh36: I initially thought that was what this thread was about when I first read the title.That was just so petty on her part, and of course her aides lied about the words on the jacket having any special meaning.
    How dare people get angry at 45 and his administration for being cruel to children and families. We have a troll for a FLOTUS.

  66. 66.

    Honus

    October 13, 2018 at 9:53 am

    @debbie: what you said about the main circuit breaker from the electric company is what I was alluding to about the 208 leg. Except instead of one there may be two of even three on their end.

  67. 67.

    Luciamia

    October 13, 2018 at 9:55 am

    Just got a summons for jury duty back in NJ.Since I’m now living in Maryland, I guess that’s one way of getting out of it.

  68. 68.

    TS (the original)

    October 13, 2018 at 9:55 am

    @Tazj: True blue “poor little me” – all of them – can give it out but never take it. Let her walk a day in Michelle Obama’s shoes and discover the reality of what some have to cope with.

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    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 9:56 am

    @Honus:

    Double thanks!

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    tybee

    October 13, 2018 at 9:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: domestic or wild pork?

  71. 71.

    Schlemazel

    October 13, 2018 at 9:59 am

    @Tazj:
    Rule #1: Always make the john feel like he is really special
    @FWOTUS

  72. 72.

    Quinerly

    October 13, 2018 at 10:03 am

    @MomSense: all deck stains will peel if not prepped properly. The big box store products I am referring to are specifically for staining concrete floors/counters. Very different. The products I am researching for staining these concrete floors in what will be guest quarters and/or an Air BnB contain acid. There’s an etching process, etc. Apparently the whole process is easier if the concrete is just poured. Mine was probably poured in 1978 when my 1880’s home was rescued after close to 20 years of neglect when the neighborhood declined. We cracked a section of it for bathroom plumbing to tie into what was there. My contractor figured about 40 year old concrete. Just gathering preliminary info and seeing if it is a job I want to tackle on my own. ?

  73. 73.

    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 10:06 am

    What disappointed me about the entire Kelly saga was that people who should have known better kept making excuses for the general until the fall of 2017. They refused to see the truth before their eyes. Even now, the media keeps trying to rehabilitate him by posting those photos of him looking distraught behind T.

  74. 74.

    dmsilev

    October 13, 2018 at 10:07 am

    @lamh36: So, I guess the obvious follow-up questions would be “Were you lying then, or are you lying now? Or both?”.

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    PsiFighter37

    October 13, 2018 at 10:08 am

    I know it was always a bit of a long shot, but I get the sense that Democratic momentum for taking the Senate is fading. Beto’s probably going to lose by a similar margin that Clinton lost statewide in 2016. Bredesen is apparently down in the polls now, and he’s pissed off the base with his Kavanaugh stance. Heitkamp is a goner. Jackie Rosen stinks as a candidate in Nevada. I have to think that best-case scenario is probably 50-50 at this point (we win AZ and NV and lose ND). I know it was always a bit of a pipe dream, but that is where the real lasting damage is being done due to court appointments.

    The House is looking good, though.

  76. 76.

    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 10:11 am

    @PsiFighter37: That is the narrative. The election is less than a month away. A lot can change between now and then. I don’t think the situation on the ground has changed much but the polling models may have.

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    tybee

    October 13, 2018 at 10:14 am

    @jeffreyw: i was expecting 30 days in a hole.

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    germy

    October 13, 2018 at 10:14 am

    Kirsten G interview

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kirsten-gillibrand-on-kavanaugh-fallout-and-her-2020-plans.html

    The places you’ve been recently — Tennessee, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona — are either purple or red, and we’ve heard a lot from Republican senators, led by Mitch McConnell, about how the Kavanaugh fight has excited GOP voters, too. What do you think about their analysis, now that you’ve been on the ground out there?

    I think it’s just wishful thinking on their part, because all the energy is in the activists fighting for Democratic candidates in red and purple places. And the energy is profound. I mean it’s not insignificant in all of those red places I’ve been in the last two weeks, the number of volunteers was just inspiring. I don’t know how to fully explain it, but for example I was at an event for Stacey Abrams. And I had not heard her give her full stump speech. I started to cry during her stump speech, it was so good. She was telling about her personal journey and what it was like growing up in poverty, what it was like with two parents who are both religious leaders. The values that they taught her, and how those values apply to today and why she’s running, and why she wants to serve.

    It was just a dynamic presentation of this vision for America that’s really different. And then I went and phone banked with a bunch of her volunteers, who were phone banking for the whole slate, and the room was filled with young women and young men who just want to do everything they can to elect someone that they value, someone that they’re inspired by. So I just feel like all energy is in the Democratic base, and it’s a new base, it’s a new group of people in a lot of ways, that are really just on fire.

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    Quinerly

    October 13, 2018 at 10:17 am

    @TS (the original): mesh mounting the pennies in sections in a design that “flows”…. has “movement” with the color contrasts. Basically, making large mounted penny sections at a work bench. Then adhere the sections to the concrete floor, grout with charcoal grout, and an epoxy seal so the color doesn’t change. Learned a lot about the copper content in preparation for cleaning 13,000 pennies from the 1960’s to present! Great diversion from the state of our country. They started taking the copper out of pennies in 1982. They are now mostly zinc. Substantially lighter. Clean totally different. As for the concrete, I think the key to durability is the acid process.

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    Raven

    October 13, 2018 at 10:20 am

    @Honus: did I not refer her to those with more knowledge?

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    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 10:22 am

    @Raven: How are you feeling ? I read about your travails with double vision and dizziness but never in time to respond.

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    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 10:25 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    was that people who should have known better kept making excuses for the general until the fall of 2017

    I think that’s uncalled for. It implies your own superiority and all-knowingness. You don’t know everything there is to know about John Kelly and his life, and so you don’t know what it was that took “those who should have known better” longer to get to where you are.

    Please be fair.

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    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 10:25 am

    @Raven:

    All of you have been very helpful!

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    Honus

    October 13, 2018 at 10:26 am

    @debbie: let us know how it turns out. I’m really curious.

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    scav

    October 13, 2018 at 10:27 am

    @lamh36: GSD I hope this last outburst puts the final nail in the coffin of my mother anxiously proposing that poor little Melania is a just good, well-meaning woman caught up in a situation she never agreed to.

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    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 10:31 am

    @debbie: It has zero to do with my superiority and 100% to do with judging Kelly by his actions since he became secretary of DHS.
    1. He implemented the Muslim ban
    2. He advocated for child separation
    3. He was rude to D lawmakers. He didn’t think he owed them any answers. (See the post above)
    Yet he enjoyed overall positive press till he maligned Rep. Wilson and lied about her.

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    Ruviana

    October 13, 2018 at 10:31 am

    @MomSense: Does this sound like someone I saw shouting recently on the tv at senators? Why yes, yes it does.

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    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 10:53 am

    @schrodingers_cat: I feel the same. I went to an ophthalmologist on advice of a neuroscience prof friend and he is of the same mind as my GP and the neuro who read my MRI and saw sign of stroke or tumor. My eyes are not exactly in sync and that is causing double vision on lateral eye movement. Everyone has told me I can drive and that sometimes this kind of thing just resolves on its own. If it persists the ophthalmologist may send me to a neuroophthalmologist at Emory so we’ll see.

    thanks

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    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 10:54 am

    @Honus: Does this not indicate a tripped breaker?

    “I flipped all the circuits back and forth somewhat frantically, and then everything came on. “

  90. 90.

    Keith P.

    October 13, 2018 at 10:55 am

    My obsession with a perfect morning cup of coffee led me to buy some green beans (Ethiopian Yirgacheffe). Lacking a roaster, I just stirred them in a pan for 20 minutes, leading to a somewhat burned-smelling and uneven batch but seemed otherwise OK. I only gassed it for 2 hours, but once I ground it, hoo-boy it was the best smelling grounds I’ve ever put to nose. And the final cup is one of the smoothest I’ve ever had. I can’t wait to try it with a proper roasting machine.

  91. 91.

    cynthia ackerman

    October 13, 2018 at 10:56 am

    Is something wrong with my browser?

    I look at this entire post, and most of the comments, and all I see is “blah blah blah.”

    //

  92. 92.

    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 10:57 am

    My neighbor argued a case in front of the Supremes this week. He’s a died in the wool liberal but when I asked about his impression of Kavanaugh he said he was very well prepared for the case. He was in awe of RGB and Kagen.

  93. 93.

    jeffreyw

    October 13, 2018 at 10:59 am

    @tybee:

    i was expecting 30 days in a hole.

    That’s just the first thing that popped up on my YouTube search. I still have them on an album or two on vinyl, iirc.

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    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 11:00 am

    @Ruviana:

    More like screeching! We women’s are sooo emotional. We need to grow up!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 13, 2018 at 11:01 am

    @scav: my two tinfoil hat theories that may or may not pan out as Mueller unrolls his findings: Rudi Giuliani is up to his waddly neck in Russian mob money, and a healthy chunk of those missing inauguration funds–$26 million went to a friend of hers who is some kind of event planner, or something, IIRC– went to a private account in Melania’s name to persuade her to play along.

  96. 96.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 11:04 am

    @raven:

    I’m so sorry to hear this. I hope they can help you so you get some relief.

  97. 97.

    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 11:07 am

    @MomSense: It’s not all that bad. It seems like they are telling my I may just have to adjust. It reminds me of how the brain is supposed to adjust to hearing aids (which I still haven’t worn enough to do). I’m not in any particular distress and, at almost 69, a clean brain MRI is pretty good juju.

  98. 98.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 11:07 am

    @PsiFighter37:

    It’s hard to say. I think the electorate is changing and more people are registering to vote and going to vote this time. How much of that effort will be offset by Republican anti democratic efforts to deny voter registrations and to purge rolls is the big question.

  99. 99.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 11:09 am

    @raven:

    I must have misread your comment. I thought the MRI showed signs of a stroke or tumor. So glad to have been wrong about this.

  100. 100.

    Doug R

    October 13, 2018 at 11:11 am

    @PsiFighter37:

    I know it was always a bit of a long shot, but I get the sense that Democratic momentum for taking the Senate is fading. Beto’s probably going to lose by a similar margin that Clinton lost statewide in 2016. Bredesen is apparently down in the polls now, and he’s pissed off the base with his Kavanaugh stance. Heitkamp is a goner. Jackie Rosen stinks as a candidate in Nevada. I have to think that best-case scenario is probably 50-50 at this point (we win AZ and NV and lose ND). I know it was always a bit of a pipe dream, but that is where the real lasting damage is being done due to court appointments.

    The House is looking good, though.

    Sounds plausible BUT this is the point where the “women” for KavaNAW are polling the strongest and we are feeling some pushback. It’s still 25 days or so, plenty of time for brothers in laws to make asses of themselves and maybe change their minds or stay home.
    I think that slow burn of rage I’m feeling out there will stick around after the KavaNAW fans tire themselves out from victory laps.

  101. 101.

    tybee

    October 13, 2018 at 11:13 am

    @raven: having had multiple eye surgeries and different focal lengths in each eye, changing with each surgery, your brain will adjust if you let it.

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    Frankensteinbeck

    October 13, 2018 at 11:14 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    That is the narrative.

    And thank goodness. I was very nervous when the narrative was that the Democrats had a blue wave locked in. I would much rather it be that the Republicans are regaining ground and the Democratic advantage is running out. Why? Because Nate Silver said the most interesting thing: That the polls can be wrong, but when they are, it is always in the opposite direction of Conventional Wisdom. The day the pundits are on my side is the day I worry I missed something important.

    Also, my hearsay understanding is that the pollsters did just change the models. They flip over to a different system about a month before the election.

    EDIT – The narrative for all the special elections was that Democrats were fooling ourselves about how motivated our base was, and we crushed expectations every time. It never died down, and if anything the effect got stronger.

  103. 103.

    bolivore

    October 13, 2018 at 11:15 am

    @debbie: Hi Debbie. Circuit breakers only trip when excessive amperage causes heat and the breaker disconnects the line. it’s common practice to connect things like an electric range and ac unit to a separate line. the fridge is usually on another line for service to the kitchen only. The problem here is potential electrical fire. an effort needs to be make to make sure that a faulty ac unit or loose connection somewhere in the line is causing excess heat and thus potential for fire.

    Please ask your property manager to have an electrician run amperage draw tests on the respective circuits. these tests are quick and easy. the should be performed on each problem line both under load and with no load. for a competent electrician 30 minutes max.

    Cheers, Jerry — [email protected]

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 13, 2018 at 11:23 am

    @Doug R: wrt Nevada, I haven’t heard much about the “Reid Machine” this cycle, but IIRC he was very plugged into the unions and tourism industry in Las Vegas, which suggests a lot of people who don’t always get counted in voter screens. Hopefully the old scrapper can pull one out of Rosen.

    Sign of changing times that people are talking about Gillum puling tired old Blue Dog Bill Nelson across the finish line in FL.

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    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 11:23 am

    @tybee: Cool! So you say the trout are on fire? The guy I’m chartering< Fontaine Charters" has a FB page and he's getting so big ass bulls too.

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    germy

    October 13, 2018 at 11:24 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Jared & Don jr., also.

  107. 107.

    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 11:25 am

    @MomSense: No, the eye doc wants to look at the MRI just on the off chance that there was a mini-stroke that the radiologist missed but he thinks it is unlikely.

  108. 108.

    Blue Galangal

    October 13, 2018 at 11:28 am

    This is my favourite t-shirt so far, designed by Matt Rudinski (and some proceeds go to Planned Parenthood). It’s soft, has held up well, and is unambiguous (my problem with a lot of the nevertheless t-shirts is they try to make it all flowy soft handwriting-ugh!).

    https://teespring.com/shop/she_persisted#pid=369&cid=6526&sid=front

  109. 109.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 13, 2018 at 11:28 am

    @germy: O, Jared…

    Kushner Likely Paid No Federal Income Taxes for Years, Documents Show
    Confidential documents reviewed by The Times indicate that Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, probably paid little or no income tax from 2009 to 2016.

    appreciation for depreciation!

    also, looks like someone in the Manthattan financial world has it out for the Kushner, according the sourcing

  110. 110.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 13, 2018 at 11:30 am

    @Luciamia: I’m assuming you’ve registered to vote in MD. Have you asked them to take you off the voter rolls in NJ? If not, that would explain the summons (thought you’d think they’d send those out “do not forward – address correction requested” to prevent that).

  111. 111.

    Mnemosyne

    October 13, 2018 at 11:34 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The only high-profile special election I can think of that didn’t go to the Democrat was the one in Georgia where Karen Handel sent herself* some white powder in the mail and claimed she had been ATTACKED! BY! DANGEROUS! LEFTISTS!

    * I don’t have actual proof that Handel sent it to herself, but come on, cui bono? It was either her or one of her supporters.

  112. 112.

    Salty Sam

    October 13, 2018 at 11:35 am

    @Quinerly:

    I’ve done several stained concrete projects, floors and countertops. Acid staining on newly poured ‘crete is fairly easy, and gives the best results- that’s because there’s plenty of fresh cement mortar to react with the stain. Older floors, even when pre-etched with acid (to “open” the surface to accept more stain) will give wildly variable results, from deep staining in some areas to almost no staining in others. Considered a feature-not-bug, very wabi-sabi…

    A floor poured with the intent to stain can also be hard finished (floated/burnished) to a very fine degree, whereas older floors were not floated out as much, because they were expected to be covered with carpet, vinyl, etc. To stain an older floor might require a heavy sealer coat after the stain to give the floor a smoother finish. Or not- wabi-sabi, y’know?

    HTH

  113. 113.

    tybee

    October 13, 2018 at 11:35 am

    @raven: dunno about Edisto but the trout are on fire here and, as close as you’ll be with the cool fronts coming through, i’d suspect you’ll see a few.

    the big reds are almost always around…it’s the 18″ ones that are tasty that disappear in the dead of winter.

  114. 114.

    Mnemosyne

    October 13, 2018 at 11:36 am

    @Blue Galangal:

    I bought one that has SPW as a cat with glasses:

    https://www.teeturtle.com/products/nevertheless-she-purrsisted

  115. 115.

    James E Powell

    October 13, 2018 at 11:46 am

    @PsiFighter37:

    I know it was always a bit of a long shot, but I get the sense that Democratic momentum for taking the Senate is fading.

    The senate is always going to be a long shot to get and a long shot to keep. Every Democratic majority since 1980 included a significant number of blue dogs or DINOs. Those seats are now held by Republicans and I don’t see us getting them back unless and until there is a sea change in the way white people vote.

    It would be a miracle of O’Rourke beats Cruz, but I got to say I like the fact that he’s running as a Democrat. The message or brand or whatever we are going to call it is only going to grow when strong candidates put it out there.

  116. 116.

    ArchTeryx

    October 13, 2018 at 11:46 am

    This may seem to be completely non-sequitur, but it’s an open thread, so…

    Something I always prided myself in in my writing is my female characters. I write them, for the most part, strong, intelligent, and generally their own people, without tipping into Mary Sue territory. They aren’t constantly mooning over males (my current protagonist, if anything, is married to her job) nor about appearances. They’re more than self-assured enough to not need to worry about such things.

    Nowadays, writing balanced, smart female characters seems less like just being a decent thing to do and more like an act of rebellion against this culture and especially against this administration. It’s a very small act of rebellion, but ANYTHING I can do to stick a finger in their collective eye is fine by me. Fuck ’em all.

    ( It helps that my main character’s basically a giant bird of prey. Anyone that knows anything about birds of prey knows they’re *highly* matriarchal – the females are bigger, stronger, and take the lead in everything ).

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    rikyrah

    October 13, 2018 at 11:49 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    YOU had his number from jump.

    YOU knew Kelly wasn’t shyt.

  118. 118.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 12:01 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    The only good thing I ever thought he might do is prevent trump from launching a first strike nuclear attack based on some reporting about Kelly, McMaster, and Mattis that was not from a fan.

  119. 119.

    Yutsano

    October 13, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    @MazeDancer: The use of Bruce at the end is a nice touch. And I know I’m in the minority here but The Rising is my favourite Springsteen album. Maybe because it was so cathartic for me after 9/11.

  120. 120.

    Chris T.

    October 13, 2018 at 12:07 pm

    @debbie:

    Is there one main circuit breaker

    Typically, yes. As several said, if you’re in an apartment or have some other weird setup, there might be more than one main one, and you might share a main breaker with another apartment, depending on how your billing works.

    (controlled by the electric company)

    Not controlled by them, just going to them, “downstream from” the electric meter. If it’s off, all your “downstream” power is off. If there’s just the one for the house/apartment, that means all your power is off—you’re entirely downstream from it.

    that then goes to the different breakers in the apartments’ box?

    Yes, each of those breakers is for whatever is downstream from there.

    ETA: The switches haven’t flipped. I’m flipping them.

    Circuit breaker switches have three positions: “off”, “on”, and “tripped”.

    Off and on are obvious. The tripped position is “not off, but not quite on either”.

    The break trips, and shuts off all your “downstream” power connections, when it detects some sort of dangerous (e.g., likely-to-cause-a-fire) condition. If that sounds alarming, well, it should! But over the last however many years, breakers have gotten better at true problems. Old breakers sometimes don’t trip when they should, but more typically—and more safely—trip at false alarms.

    By “old” here I mean both physically older, ones that have used up their useful life, and older designs. Different places have different codes, but in general newer codes are better (and more expensive, alas). The most modern ones are so-called Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters or AFCI breakers (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc-fault_circuit_interrupter), older ones are Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters or GFCI, and before that they were just fancied-up reusable fuses.

    Here in California, in the 1950s, there was a rash of bribery and corruption—shades of Trump!—during which a company named Federal Electric made some bad circuit breakers, that basically didn’t do their job and let a lot of electrical fires happen over the next few decades. The older these are, the worse the risk of fire (instead of false-alarms, inconvenient but no fire). If you have these, get them all replaced.

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    Frankensteinbeck

    October 13, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    @ArchTeryx:

    Something I always prided myself in in my writing is my female characters.

    I write them about how I would boys, with the absolute minimum of physically rooted changes, and refer to what my woman friends talk about when I have to describe an attractive guy. It seems to be working.

  122. 122.

    Chris T.

    October 13, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    “the break trips” above should read “the breakER trips”. Ugh.

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    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    @rikyrah: Thanks. What was shocking to me was how many wanted believe (I speak of the press in general, not just this blog and its comment section) that he was the good guy in the den of thieves that they discounted what was happening in front of their own eyes.
    What the entire Kelly episode showed me how ripe the United States was for a General Zia like figure to take over the reins of the government, and how many people would give the said general with a stellar military record the benefit of the doubt, as he otherized vast swathes of the populace. Its a possibility that still frightens me. Because increasingly Rs are wrapping themselves in the flag and the equating anyone who disagrees with them as the enemy of the state.
    Also, I got a fleeting glimpse of how black people must feel, when what they say is ignored by those who claim to be allies.

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    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    @rikyrah: I’m not a big fan of “I told you so”, but I’d say it’s warranted in this case. SC was ahead of the curve, and it’s maddening when you can see what a piece of shit someone is and others still want to give the benefit of the doubt.

    See Kavanaugh, Brett.

  125. 125.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. – Maya Angelou

    At a party, we apparently have not yet learned that lesson.

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    Frankensteinbeck

    October 13, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    @scav:

    Melania

    I have a knee-jerk opposition to the contempt sex workers (and I don’t think there’s anyone here who doesn’t think she’s in that marriage purely for the money) get. Part of her job is to present the public face her husband wants. I also wanted to lean in her direction because she seems to have tried to keep her son away from the sucking shit vortex that is the rest of the Trump family. But seriously, that’s literally the only good thing I’ve heard about her, and if even one of the things she’s done reflect her own personality, she’s slime. I don’t see how the pith helmet could be something she did for Trump, so… yeah, slime. Mostly, I try not to think about her. She isn’t even a figurehead. Nobody gives a damn what Melania thinks or says.

  127. 127.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    @Quinerly:

    What about a concrete overlay? I think that way the stain is integral to the concrete.

  128. 128.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    Dear Front Pagers,

    Don’t you guys have to coordinate your days off like we have to do at work? :-)

    WaterGirl

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    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    @WaterGirl: Our BJers have learned the lesson but not MSM, see how many stories we still see about the good general exasperated by his rogue boss.

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    Frankensteinbeck

    October 13, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:
    The national press are ‘polite’ Republicans. I don’t think there’s any demographic more invested in turning a blind eye to how extremist, insane, and incompetent Republicans are than the news media. Personally invested.

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    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    @WaterGirl: Well Betty used to post a college football thread but with all the whining and bitching she quit this year.

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    SFAW

    October 13, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    (and I don’t think there’s anyone here who doesn’t think she’s in that marriage purely for the money)

    A case could be made that she’s Shitgibbon’s handler, or at least the contact point for Shitgibbon’s Russian handler.

  133. 133.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    @raven: I hadn’t noticed the whining and bitching, I guess. I thought she was just busy.

    Say, how is the pup? Glad to hear your eye thing has turned out to be a nothing burger, medically speaking, even if it is annoying as hell.

  134. 134.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    October 13, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    @debbie: I had that problem with my house. Couldn’t run my dryer without the breaker popping, got to the point that I just stopped using it and dried my clothes outside. Later I couldn’t boil the kettle and run the microwave at the same time without the breaker for all the lights in the house popping and needed resetting. Thanks to my Mum we eventually replaced the entire fusebox and all the problems stopped, but nothing short of that helped.

  135. 135.

    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    Zia, a decorated 4 star general started as an enforcer of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who he eventually executed after a bloodless coup.

  136. 136.

    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    @SFAW: I agree with this theory.

  137. 137.

    Groucho48

    October 13, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    @Quinerly:

    Have you thought about adding half a dozen or so Indian Head pennies to the mix? See if anyone notices or just for a little visual interest.

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    jeffreyw

    October 13, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    Shiatsu curious, but wary, cat.

  139. 139.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The national press are ‘polite’ Republicans. I don’t think there’s any demographic more invested in turning a blind eye to how extremist, insane, and incompetent Republicans are than the news media. Personally invested

    You ain’t never lied.
    You can just see the desperation for a good year and a half to try and use ANYTHING to Normalize Dolt45.

    And, I mean ANYTHING.

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    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    @jeffreyw: Is that one of your kittehs? When did you get a tuxie kitteh?

  141. 141.

    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    @WaterGirl: Its not I told you so, I think the threat that this man represents is not yet over, as long as he is in the WH and Rs remain a party that wants to retain power at all costs.

  142. 142.

    JMG

    October 13, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    The conventional wisdom is now edging towards what will be its final prediction — Republicans to hold both houses of Congress. This is because Tennessee and North Dakota had some very favorable GOP polls this week. Because all polls showing Rs way ahead are true, and all polls showing Ds way ahead are outliers.

  143. 143.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    i am not involved on the ground with any of the campaigns, so this is pure speculation on my part. I would not be at all surprised if the “likely voter” polls are missing a whole bunch of people, and that’s why things are looking more grim fir the senate. The media and pollsters are all rigged for Republicans — so why do we take what they are saying seriously? That’s like playing volleyball and listening to the opposing team when they call a ball in or out on your side.

    I am looking at small things:
    Candidates like Beto bring in people who have never voted before.
    I am just as pissed about Kavanaugh as I was a week ago, and I know I am not alone.
    Look at what one pop star tweet has done for voter registration.

    Between twitter and youtube, the Scary Time for Men video has 13 million views.
    Views on that video grow by 1-2 MILLION every day.
    Maybe 1-2 million more women a day are seeing it, which means people are still talking about it.
    Or maybe 1-2 million women are watching it AGAIN every day, because they are still pissed.
    Either way, the “girls” are not going away.

  144. 144.

    HeleninEire

    October 13, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    Got my flu shot this morning. Went to lunch, went back to the apartment and took a 2 hour nap. Now I’m at dinner. Then back home to continue reading my new novel. On the fourth installment of the Cormoran Strike series. (J.K Rowling writing as Robert Gailbraith.) The first three were very good. I’m about half way through this one. It’s OK but I don’t think she needed almost 700 pages for a murder mystery. But it’s compelling enough that I’ll finish.

    This was a productive day!

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    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: i know that — bad word choice, sorry. I don’t often disagree with debbie, but I do here. I don’t think you’re being unfair to people who have been slow to see what he is.

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    raven

    October 13, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    @WaterGirl: She’s ok, her Bailey Chair has helped her keep her food down.

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    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 12:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thanks, that means a lot. Sometimes I feel like I am whistling in the wind. As both the countries I love are being torn apart by demagogues in their quest to remain in power.

  148. 148.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    @raven: Well, a girl’s gotta eat, so keeping her food down is a big Joe Biden deal.

  149. 149.

    Origuy

    October 13, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    I own a townhouse that was built in 1985. My neighbors and I were having lights flicker and the circuit breakers would trip occasionally. One of my neighbors had an electrician out who said that there was sparking in the walls. That can cause a fire, of course. So I got the same electrician, who found that the breaker panel needed to be replaced. Not only had there been burning in the wiring, the panel opened into a bathroom. That’s against code. They cut a hole on the other side of the wall and wired in a new panel. Homeowner insurance paid for it, including repairing and painting the bathroom wall, since there had already been burning. Your landlord should have insurance. The electrician helped me file the claim.

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    JaySinWA

    October 13, 2018 at 12:55 pm

    @debbie: What @Chris T.: said may be helpful. This site http://www.thecircuitdetective.com/index.php is mostly geared to intrepid DYI for homeowners and may be slightly less helpful for understanding an apartment wiring problem. However the background pages and diagrams should help you get a basic understanding of how the electrical system is set up and the very basic troubleshooting diagrams may help you communicate with your service provider or electrician.
    I am not an electrician and I haven’t checked the entire webpage for safety problem areas. The author suggests doing things that you may not be comfortable with, and may in fact not be safe for someone without training. But the basic information seems pretty well laid out for understanding circuits and possible problems.
    I my home the a tripped breaker is in very slightly different position than one that is on so you have to look closely and it is easy to miss. Sometimes I just have to flip it off and on since the lighting isn’t that great.

  151. 151.

    James E Powell

    October 13, 2018 at 12:55 pm

    @TS (the original):

    I also went to google for penny floor and came across this about a floor of 13000 pennies.

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    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 12:58 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Not speaking of debbie with this comment, but I am reminded of gay people who were asked to be patient because it wasn’t the right time to push for something they wanted, or black people who (it seems to me) are told every fucking day that they shouldn’t be so pushy about black lives matter because the time timing isn’t right.

    I’m sorry, but when people are being attacked and black people are being murdered and our democracy is in the process of being destroyed, it’s just not a good time to ask people to shush and be more polite.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 13, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    I have MSNBC on mute, but I just looked up and saw that Nelson has a two point lead over Batboy in FL-Sen (average of polls). Good news. And weird that I’m so counting on people like Nelson and McCaskill who were drags on the Obama agenda.

  154. 154.

    Luciamia

    October 13, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: good point

  155. 155.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: McCaskill gets some slack with me because she came out for Barack Obama in 2007 when people were holding back because of Hillary Clinton and Obama was the interloper.

    Maybe the media is pushing “oh, it’s much closer than we thought” and “looks like those mean democrats have no choice in the senate” to make it more of a horserace. Or maybe the media really does have a horse in this race (the Republicans) and they are trying to put their collective thumbs on the scale.

    I say fuck them and we keep fighting like votes really matter and not polls. I mean, Hillary was sure to win in November, right? Their credibility should be crap, but we still let it influence how we feel.

    If I seem cranky about this, it’s because if I’m not paying attention, I let them bring me down, which is exactly what they want. I say again, Fuck Them.

  156. 156.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    It’s not that I disagreed. I just didn’t like the lording it over others.

  157. 157.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    @raven:

    Lazy eye (forget the medical term) runs in my family (at least my generation). It was operated on when I was in sixth grade. Well, lo and behold, it wasn’t a permanent thing and it’s back. I don’t have the money, time off, etc. to get it fixed again, so I’m living with it. When I need to (ie, driving through a narrow space), I just close one eye. Ugly to behold but not impossible to deal with.

  158. 158.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    October 13, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: She is a gold digger purely in it for the money. She has no interest in the shitgibbon, she tolerated sex with him in order to spawn an heir with access to his alleged fortune. She is spouting his lies because it keeps her in his good graces. She coupled with him in order to get her parents to the US on very spurious grounds. Nothing that comes out of her mouth should be believed as anything but the words of someone feathering their nest. I would call her a whore but that really belittles the noble and ancient profession of whores.

  159. 159.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    @debbie: It doesn’t feel to me like SC is lording it over others. My take-away is that it’s maddening to see people making excuses or giving the benefit of the about to someone who has already showed their true colors, and SC expresses frustration about that.

  160. 160.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    @debbie: I was just thinking earlier this week that I was told I had a lazy eye in high school and that I should do exercises with a pen — holding it close vertically in front of my eye and then tracking as I moved it away, repeat to infinity.

    I was thinking it was time to bring out my pen again. Maybe that would help you, too? Cheaper than surgery!

  161. 161.

    NotMax

    October 13, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    @Groucho48

    Don’t even have to go back that far. A smattering of wheat pennies would mix things up.

    Had a large (not water cooler bottle large, but fairly big) penny bank as a kid during the 1950s and early 60s. Sometime around 1963 or 1964, put a lot of them into several dozen rolls, which are sitting in a shoebox that is currently buried somewhere in the back of a closet. Really ought to go through them some day as they range from 1909 on up; know for sure there are steel pennies among them (not particularly valuable, more of a curiosity).

  162. 162.

    Amir Khalid

    October 13, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    @Yutsano:
    I’m in that minority with you. I hesitate to name a favourite among Bruce’s albums, but The Rising was an album that people needed to hear at that time. Incidentally, the violin riff used in the ad is played by a woman: Suzi Tyrell, who has been the E Street Band’s violinist since that album.

  163. 163.

    Frankensteinbeck

    October 13, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    I would call her a whore but that really belittles the noble and ancient profession of whores.

    I don’t have any problem with any of the other stuff, either. It’s a practical decision she made choosing a profession. She has no power, so the bullshit that comes out of her mouth is unimportant. For the most part, she’s too unimportant to be worth judging, and I ignore her. The pith helmet thing couldn’t be an accident, though. It can’t be a public statement for her husband. She is either cluelessly or actively racist, so to the extent I judge her, I gave up any ‘I don’t know what kind of person she is’ there.

  164. 164.

    Amir Khalid

    October 13, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt:
    That makes Melania a bullshitter, which Professor Frankfurt teaches us is worse than a liar: a liar at least cares about what the truth is, even if only to lead you away from it. A bullshitter doesn’t care about the truth, they say whatever they think will profit them.

  165. 165.

    Bill Arnold

    October 13, 2018 at 1:31 pm

    (Open thread material)
    Interesting interview of Yuval Noah Harari in thedailybeast. It covers a lot of material; the quoted sections caught my eye.
    Yuval Noah Harari’s Quick Primer on How to See Into the Future – Historian and trend-spotter Yuval Noah Harari discounts the daily news cycle and looks at the long arc to see where work, life and democracy are headed. (Scott Porch 10.12.18 11:46 PM ET)
    On communication of scientific consenses to the general population:

    [NH]There is room for greater interaction between the scientific community and the general public, and scientists should engage the public more through podcasts and Facebook and other social media tools. The most important problems of the 21st century are nuclear war, climate change and technological disruption. In order to have a meaningful debate about any of those things, you need a good understanding of science.
    We’ve seen with climate change the terrible implications of the scientific knowledge not making it to the general public. In the coming decades, artificial intelligence and bioengineering may become big issues. If the public doesn’t have a basic understanding of those things, we won’t have a meaningful, reasonable debate. It’s more important than ever for scientists to speak to the public and not just speak to each other.

    On futurism:

    When I talk about the future, I try not to talk as a futurist. I try not to say that in 20 years we will live like this and the political system will be like that. I see my job as trying to map different possibilities. Futurists try to zoom in on a narrow range of things that they think will happen—China will be the greatest economic power, the European Union will collapse, the United States will go to war, etc.
    I’m trying to expand the range of possibilities. There are many possibilities that don’t occur to us because we’re trapped in our own worldviews. Our worldviews are trapped by a history of liberal democracy and capitalism and the industrial revolution, so it’s difficult for us to see possibilities that go beyond those things.
    [SP]I hadn’t thought about history in those terms. You’re trained as a historian to control for the inevitability bias that we apply to history, and you’re talking about the same thing in the way you look to the future.
    [NH]The idea is not to guess right. The idea is that by exposing people to different possibilities, you can influence their thinking and their decisions today. I find myself portrayed as a doom prophet—that I say AI will destroy the job market—but I focus on dangerous scenarios in the hope that people will become aware of those things and take action to prevent them from happening.

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    jeffreyw

    October 13, 2018 at 1:33 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Yes, that is Ollie, our newest boy. Neighbor woman carried him down to us, said he was abandoned at their place and her hubby said no more cats. She knew Mrs J volunteered at a shelter and asked if she thought they would they take him. Mrs J said she’d handle it.
    Our oldest, Toby, is a tux but he is more gray than shiny black like Ollie.

  167. 167.

    opiejeanne

    October 13, 2018 at 1:35 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: I just got a postcard from Orange County, CA voter registration asking if I still live in California. I haven’t lived there for 8 years, and I was pretty sure they knew it since they addressed the card to my current address in WA.

  168. 168.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I did those exercises for a while until my doctor said they didn’t work. I’ve thought about wearing a patch when I’m home, but with my luck, I’d trip up and down the stairs.

  169. 169.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    @Chris T.:
    @JaySinWA:

    Thanks to you both!

  170. 170.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    @debbie: So the patch goes over the good eye, I presume?

    I guess if your doctor said they didn’t work I can stop beating myself up for not having done the exercises for all these years?

    Couldn’t we do the patch while watching TV and reduce the risk of tripping and stumbling?

  171. 171.

    Amir Khalid

    October 13, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    My cousin wore an eyepatch as a kid to correct a “lazy eye”, as they called it then.

  172. 172.

    ixnay

    October 13, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    @Quinerly: Have you considered pure tung oil. From Real Milk Paint Co? Comes in a couple of shades, can be safely used in an enclosed house, and on the furniture we have used it on, bombproof. We recently got a promo saying it works for sealing concrete.

  173. 173.

    JoyceH

    October 13, 2018 at 1:57 pm

    Late to the thread, but when I first heard this Kelly quote, my first thought was how amazing to see an American General so perfectly channeling the spirit of Lady Catherine de Bourgh.

  174. 174.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Did it work at all? I’m certainly willing to try it at this point.

  175. 175.

    Steve in the ATL

    October 13, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    @HeleninEire: I read the first two, and thought they were ok. She really needed an editor; far too many superfluous details in parentheses. While she dominated the young British wizards fighting evil market, she’s no better than average in the murder mystery field.

    I’ll always love her though for being a dedicated and generous liberal!

  176. 176.

    Erin in Flagstaff

    October 13, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    @debbie: amblyopia is the term. I have it. Wore a patch when I was a kid, but it didn’t fix the issue. A few years ago, I tried some eye exercises to improve my bad eye, but I think it made me more prone to double vision. Like you, I niw have to close my one bad eye when driving through some lanes of traffic.

  177. 177.

    schrodingers_cat

    October 13, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    @jeffreyw: He is full of win and awesome. You should get all your kittehs to sit together for a photo shoot like Shiro Neko and fambly.

  178. 178.

    germy

    October 13, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    Fascinating twitter account, full of historic photos
    https://twitter.com/IndiaHistorypic

  179. 179.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    @Erin in Flagstaff:

    Yeah, I figured. I feel like I need to apologize to people I speak to at work. “It’s okay. I know it’s tough looking at me. Just pick one eye.”

  180. 180.

    germy

    October 13, 2018 at 2:57 pm

    @Erin in Flagstaff:

    I now have to close my one bad eye when driving through some lanes of traffic.

    Closing one eye: Does that affect your depth perception?

  181. 181.

    Bill Arnold

    October 13, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    Re the “Citizen Strong” story that broke a week ago with a Bloomberg report:
    A Former Obama Operative Built a New Anti-Republican Attack Machine
    The Former Obama Operative Hoping to Deliver an October Surprise (Bloomberg, October 8 2018, video of interview with John Burton)
    and
    John Burton’s linkedin profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/burtonjohn/
    I poked at it a bit finally, and have not found anything prior to this.
    Does anyone know of anything more on this other than the Bloomberg story?
    [I just tried signing up, to see what would happen, but might need to wait a day]

  182. 182.

    MoxieM

    October 13, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    Late in the day–I’ve been out doing the “having a life” thing, or trying. I saw a great lawn sign, light blue field, it just says “Persist” in white block letters. (And in smallers ones, an encouragement to vote.) Going to try and find out who it’s from–maybe Sen. Prof. Warren’s office, since I live in MA. I liked it!

  183. 183.

    ArchTeryx

    October 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: THIS. When I wrote Tirriss, I didn’t have to think at all whether she was male or female. She could have been either and the character would have worked out just as well. Other than the very small nod toward her biology (alien being and all) gender just didn’t factor in. That’s how I enjoy writing characters.

  184. 184.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Like you, I saw the story last week. I hadn’t seen anything else before and haven’t seen anything since.

    I wondered at putting out a story like that – how can it be a surprise if you announce it? It seemed odd.

  185. 185.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 3:40 pm

    @MoxieM: I just googled “resist yard signs” and found lots of resist yard signs on cafe, etsy and zazzle. Then I tried “resist vote yard signs” and found some more.

    One sign came up: “thoughts and prayers” — crossed out
    replaced with “POLICY & CHANGE”
    heh

  186. 186.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    @MoxieM: there was also a TRUMP sign:
    Tyranical
    Racist
    Unqualified
    Misogynist
    Panderer

  187. 187.

    Jay

    October 13, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Yup, double yup.

  188. 188.

    Bill Arnold

    October 13, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    OK. The only thing I could find was that citizenstrong.org was registered Jan 2018: “Creation Date: 2018-01-19T04:08:39Z”
    Consistent with the mission statement on the front page: “Since February 2018, we’ve been busy scouring the records of elected officials all over America. ”
    The wayback machines first entry is August 9 2018: https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.citizenstrong.org
    So I’m getting increasingly curious.

  189. 189.

    Quinerly

    October 13, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    @Salty Sam: late getting back to the thread.
    I need to get to know you. Can I subscribe to your newsletter? ?

  190. 190.

    debbie

    October 13, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Just seeing this now. And my point was that there are people who knew him well before the Trump administration came along, back when he could have been a very different person.

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