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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Message Discipline

Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Message Discipline

by Anne Laurie|  October 17, 20186:43 am| 137 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Don't Agonize - Organize, Election 2018, Open Threads, Republican Venality

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Heads up for the "Dems have no national message" people: The McConnell comments on entitlements are driving today's state Dem messaging. pic.twitter.com/OzCvauPMax

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) October 16, 2018

Remember when Republicans and cable news people concern-trolled the Dems about "overreaching" against Kavanaugh? McConnell's announcement about cutting Social Security and Medicare with three weeks out is at least as damaging to the @GOP, if not far, far worse. USE THIS, Dems!!

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) October 16, 2018

Let’s be absolutely clear: the GOP now wants to pay for massive, deficit-busting tax breaks for the top 1% and corporations by cutting Medicare and Social Security. https://t.co/xUtseMExAX

— Kamala Harris (@SenKamalaHarris) October 16, 2018

The @GOP tax cut is projected to add about $2 trillion to the national debt

Republicans cut taxes & increased government spending but McConnell is still blaming Medicare, Medicaid, & Social Security for the deficit

We know what you're doing @senatemajldrhttps://t.co/Vb1g4WX3Ip

— Rantt Media (@RanttMedia) October 17, 2018

Democrats have raised almost 2/3 of the total money for the House (not counting candidates who lost in primaries). Despite the fact that the GOP holds the incumbency advantage. Never been anything like that before in our House fundraising data, which goes back to 1998. pic.twitter.com/18iRaPGQxJ

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) October 16, 2018

I don’t think any model or historical comparison does or can adequately account for the magnitude of Dem candidate fundraising, & how this shows, though nobody felt it, a tectonic movement on the House map. The most important benefit off incumbency—money—is gone. This is huge.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) October 16, 2018

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  1. 1.

    germy

    October 17, 2018 at 6:51 am

    Tedra Cobb’s campaign ads are back on TV.

    Thanks to everyone who donated.

  2. 2.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 17, 2018 at 6:53 am

    We all knew that Republicans were going to come for the entitlement programs. That they have the nerve to do so after passing tax cuts for the 1% is gutsy on their part. I’ll give them credit for that. They really just don’t care.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 6:56 am

    The most important benefit off incumbency—money—

    I’m not sure that is quite true. I think it has more to do with apathy. People don’t like change and they will stick with the current corrupt thief simply because they can’t be troubled to do the research to find out what his opponent is for and against. That and R vs D.

  4. 4.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 7:00 am

    The interim CEO and president of USA Gymnastics, Mary Bono, has resigned just four days after she stepped into the role.

    Shocked, I am not.

  5. 5.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2018 at 7:00 am

    McTurtle is a snake, but he’s a competent snake. The fact that he talks about this before the election gets me thinking he thinks the vote is in the bag, and that their suppression/caging efforts are being effective.

    GOTV!

  6. 6.

    rikyrah

    October 17, 2018 at 7:05 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  7. 7.

    Cermet

    October 17, 2018 at 7:09 am

    The turtle shit could care less what the politics of this might appear or impact the current election – he knows they will lose the house but he has to secure funding from the cock sucker brothers and this will do that. Saving the senate long term is his only real critical goal because it secures his power.

  8. 8.

    Proudgradofcatladyacademy

    October 17, 2018 at 7:11 am

    Hi.

    Keep voting. Kind of alone right now 4:00 am on the west coast but the nursing home called today. Dad passed away last night.

    Thank you from a lurker. I read you all and during my transition from Minnesota Trumpistan to a city where there’s a tea bus giving free tea out on Saturdays….you all have been a source of humor and support. A internet family that you probably didn’t know exsisted for me. Even now the snarky witty comments make me smile.

    Thank you.

  9. 9.

    Schlemazel

    October 17, 2018 at 7:12 am

    I don’t think any model or historical comparison does or can adequately account for the magnitude of Dem candidate fundraising, & how this shows, though nobody felt it, a tectonic movement on the House map. The most important benefit off incumbency—money—is gone. This is huge.

    From your tweet to His noodley appendage!

    I was too sick last week & This week I am in PA on business so I have not spent any time working the campaigns. I know the level of excitement and anxiety was higher than even ’04. If you have a couple of hours please call and see if you can help out, even if your local Dem ‘has no chance’. We need to not leave a single wingnut unchallenged & those we don’t beat should be scared to death.

  10. 10.

    Mai Naem mobile

    October 17, 2018 at 7:12 am

    I hope there is video of chipmunk cheeks talking about cuts to entitlements not just a print headline/interview. And the Dems better use it in ads. Also,notice how the asshole wants the Dems and the GOPigs both to agree to cuts. Asshole didn’t want any input in judges but he wants the Dems’ help in entitlement cuts. Chuck Schumer needs to tell him to shove it and have Susie Collins and Jeffy Flake help him make entitlement cuts

  11. 11.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:14 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  12. 12.

    Cermet

    October 17, 2018 at 7:14 am

    By the way, what entitlement program? I paid fully into SS and Medicare but the gov refused to invest this but spent it on a military/industrial complex making the rich, richer so their is no multiplying affect from my years of paying into it via the std capitalistic method of interest gained from using the funds to create a bigger, more productive country via infrastructure, and production. Fuck calling it by a name the thugs love. It is a hard earned, paid for benefit that the government wastes. Rather, this income is spent upon welfare for vast industrial waste land that feeds young men into a meat grinder and slaughters vast numbers of brown people.

  13. 13.

    debbie

    October 17, 2018 at 7:15 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    But that they would announce this prior to the midterms is mind-boggling.

  14. 14.

    germy

    October 17, 2018 at 7:16 am

    @debbie: Arrogance.

  15. 15.

    debbie

    October 17, 2018 at 7:17 am

    @Cermet:

    Let’s get a law passed where Congress has to cut their own pensions by the same percentage they plan on cutting SS/Medicare.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:17 am

    Let me be the first to say that I don’t understand why the Dems aren’t talking about entitlements.

  17. 17.

    JeanneT

    October 17, 2018 at 7:17 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: So sorry to hear about your dad: my sympathies on your loss.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:18 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: My condolences.

  19. 19.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 17, 2018 at 7:19 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:

    I am so sorry for your loss. And while you certainly (understandably) feel “kind of alone right now,” you are not.

    When your life resettles, please delurk and be part of the conversations here.

  20. 20.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 17, 2018 at 7:20 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I’m sorry to hear about your dad’s death. Peace and strength to you.

  21. 21.

    Immanentize

    October 17, 2018 at 7:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: She sent an Instagram showing her inking out her Nike swoosh. Nice way to support athletes!

  22. 22.

    Immanentize

    October 17, 2018 at 7:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: also, Sonny can be proud.

  23. 23.

    Just One More Canuck

    October 17, 2018 at 7:22 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: my deepest sympathies to you

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 7:22 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:
    And when great souls die,
    after a period peace blooms,
    slowly and always
    irregularly. Spaces fill
    with a kind of
    soothing electric vibration.
    Our senses, restored, never
    to be the same, whisper to us.
    They existed. They existed.
    We can be. Be and be
    better. For they existed.

    -Maya Angelou

  25. 25.

    JPL

    October 17, 2018 at 7:23 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I’m so sorry for you loss.

  26. 26.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 17, 2018 at 7:24 am

    Off to San Diego. See you on the other side.

  27. 27.

    JoyceH

    October 17, 2018 at 7:24 am

    @p.a.: You saw McConnell’s comment as proof that the fix is in? Funny, I had the exact opposite reaction. My thought at such a remark right before the election was that McConnell has to be trying to throw the election.

    Which doesn’t make sense – unless it does? Consider that Congressional leaders know more about the Trump cavalcade of crime than we do. He’s got to know that the whole business is going to hit the fan before 2020. If Republicans still control Congress, they either have to manage the dismantling of the Trump administration, which will infuriate their base, or try futilely to maintain the coverup, which will infuriate everyone else. And everyone else encompasses a lot more people than their base. So why not relinquish power and leave the messy job to the other party? They got their tax cuts, they got their judges. They can just take home their loot and tell Republicans “Hey, what could we do?”

  28. 28.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:24 am

    Haha. Trump says the Saudis are wrongly accused like Kavanaugh.

  29. 29.

    debbie

    October 17, 2018 at 7:25 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Belittling the abuse suffered by hundreds of gymnasts probably wasn’t the best decision.

  30. 30.

    JPL

    October 17, 2018 at 7:27 am

    What is this Message discipline you write about? It certainly doesn’t pertain to the democratic party.

    @OzarkHillbilly: We are lucky that Maya existed.

  31. 31.

    debbie

    October 17, 2018 at 7:27 am

    @Baud:

    A few candidates around here are talking about them, FWIW.

  32. 32.

    Nelle

    October 17, 2018 at 7:28 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: My condolences. The night of hearing such news is a long night.

  33. 33.

    debbie

    October 17, 2018 at 7:28 am

    @Baud:

    And like him!

  34. 34.

    Chyron HR

    October 17, 2018 at 7:29 am

    @p.a.:

    Or else McConnell does expect the house to flip, and he’s preemptively setting the media narrative that the new Democratic majority has to be bipartisan and save us from the deficit by helping Republicans cut social security and medicare.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:29 am

    @debbie: It doesn’t matter. People will still accuse Dems of not talking about it.

  36. 36.

    debbie

    October 17, 2018 at 7:29 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:

    So sorry for your loss. I remember that feeling of aloneness after my mom passed at about midnight. It made for a very long night.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:30 am

    @Chyron HR: I don’t understand why people are surprised they are talking about it. They always talk about it and it has never hurt them.

  38. 38.

    JPL

    October 17, 2018 at 7:31 am

    @Chyron HR: McConnell is preparing to blame the new house majority for the deficit. Just ask Obama how that works.

  39. 39.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 7:32 am

    @Cermet:

    Exactly.

  40. 40.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2018 at 7:35 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: Sorry to hear about your dad, my condolences.

  41. 41.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 7:36 am

    @Chyron HR: This, and telling the fat cats who has their best interests at heart.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:36 am

    @JPL: I do hope the House passes Social Security reform that expands social security. Then we can see where American voters in the “heartland” stand on that issue in the 2020 election. I’m tired of protecting entitlements. Let’s take it off the table one way or the other.

  43. 43.

    Kay

    October 17, 2018 at 7:37 am

    @Baud:

    The kind of heartening part about it is, even with 24/7 Trump coverage and zero national coverage of health care or economic issues, it got thru.

    So it can be done. You really can get people to talk about something as boring as “preexisting conditions” or “Medicaid expansion” if not nationally then in a senate race or a house race or a governor’s race. Cordray is running an ad on Mike DeWine suing to overturn minimum wage increases in municipalities. In Ohio this is called “home rule” and it’s a complex legal issue. There’s a 30 second ad on it. You have to have high expectations for voters, a leap of faith.

  44. 44.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 7:37 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It took my wife and I four (of six) years to understand this, the poem’s idea.
    Yes, it’s a loss but the Gift is that we have had such people in our lives. It flips like a switch, takes a while to be lived in but, takes you from almost daily despair to life again.

    We’re both back to just OK and that’s if we don’t look directly at such things.
    Takes a while.

  45. 45.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 7:39 am

    @Kay:

    This.

    There are picked battles and, this is One.

  46. 46.

    MazeDancer

    October 17, 2018 at 7:41 am

    Ryan announced his Gut It All plan weeks ago.

    Was responsible for free PostCard #1 on PostCardPatriots.com mentioning his announcement.

    Hoping Mitch’s threats encourage everyone to use it. Addresses also free.

    (Yes, I can turn anything into Pushy PostCard Promo. Only 11 more days. One a day, you can manage to write one a day. Save Democracy. Save HealthCare and SocialSecurity.)

  47. 47.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:41 am

    @Kay: It’s only heartening if Cordray wins.

  48. 48.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 7:41 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:
    I am so sorry for your loss.

  49. 49.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    October 17, 2018 at 7:42 am

    Everyone in the Village believes Cocaine Mitch is a political genius, yet 3 weeks before an election he jumps on the 3rd rail of politics.

  50. 50.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 7:43 am

    @Cermet:

    the gov refused to invest

    This is not true. SS funds are invested in the “safest” investment known, US govt bonds.

    These commenters are no doubt well-intentioned, but they are woefully misinformed on this issue. Here is the truth: Every year since 1984, the Social Security system has had more income than it needs to pay current benefits and administrative costs, so it invests the surplus in interest-bearing government bonds, backed by the full faith and credit of the US Treasury.
    Why put the surplus payroll funds in Treasury notes? If you had $2.8 trillion in extra cash, wouldn’t you want the money to earn interest instead of stuffing it under your mattress?
    The same goes for the Social Security system. As the Social Security Administration explains: “The Social Security trust [fund] holds money not needed in the current year to pay benefits and administrative costs and, by law, invest[s] it in special Treasury bonds that are guaranteed by the U.S. Government.”

    I put “safest” in quotes because nothing is safe when Repubs are in charge.

  51. 51.

    Kay

    October 17, 2018 at 7:44 am

    @Baud:

    Never say never, though. The GOP’s complete and utter lack of anything approaching a plan or idea for health care is hurting them, and it never did before. Spending 8 years bitching about Obamacare and not doing any work of their own is taking a toll. They’re actually in worse shape on health care than they were in ’08 because now people hate their private plans and they have a sense there’s some other alternative that is being denied them.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:46 am

    @Kay: Great. I have my fingers crossed for Ohio.

  53. 53.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 7:47 am

    @Ken Shabby:

    Takes a while.

    Indeed it does. As a friend of mine once said, the pain never goes away, we just think of it less often.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 7:50 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I thought of my parents just this morning.

  55. 55.

    Kay

    October 17, 2018 at 7:51 am

    @Baud:

    If he does (and it’s not just him- they’re all doing it) then we have a kind of template for how to do this, though. Here’s what basically happened, IMO. They raised a bunch of money and recruited a lot of candidates based on opposition to Trump, which was easy, because a lot of people loathe Trump. But then they switched and ran on issues where they barely mention Trump. You could do the same thing in 2020. He’ll still be loathsome and he gets 24/7 coverage. He’s actually worse now than he was the day he was elected partly because he has to keep amping up the hatefulness to keep the media coverage.

  56. 56.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 17, 2018 at 7:56 am

    @debbie: I’m impressed by their willingness to give a middle finger to middle class and working class Americans. Quite a gutsy move. And yet, millions of Americans will still vote for them. Because Jesus and abortions and guns.

  57. 57.

    JPL

    October 17, 2018 at 7:57 am

    The butt stops here
    Luckovich

  58. 58.

    Kay

    October 17, 2018 at 7:58 am

    @Baud:

    I always think I’m going to win. A long time ago I decided it was better to be disappointed sometimes than depressed all the time. I do feel good about Cordray though, partly because DeWine is an incumbent and I think incumbents who are polling even are actually back – they’re in worse shape than it appears if they’re at “42” or whatever. He shouldn’t have started there.

  59. 59.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 7:58 am

    @Baud: I think of mine most days, and my sister too. My father’s been gone 8 years now, my mother 12. My sister for 24. It is hard to imagine that anything could ever fill the holes they have left in my life because, quite simply, nothing and nobody can.

  60. 60.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 8:00 am

    @JPL: Heh. More than one way to call someone a “horse’s ass”.

  61. 61.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 8:01 am

    @Kay:

    But then they switched and ran on issues where they barely mention Trump.

    There’s a tension there though. I noticed that in the debate with Elizabeth Warren. Do you focus on issues, or do you respond to GOP attacks? I remember soon after the election, people blamed Hillary for focusing too much on Trump. But in the Warren threads yesterday, people were blaming history for not responding hard enough to Trump’s attacks. It seems we are giving no direction to Dem leadership on how they should behave.

    It’s a bit different with Congress, because it’s more local and less media-centric. But it’s a perennial problem IMHO.

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It’s not gutsy. As I said above, it has never hurt them politically to talk about it.

  62. 62.

    NotMax

    October 17, 2018 at 8:03 am

    Prof. Sam Wang’s PEC’s meta-margin tracker for the House (scroll down at the page linked) is holding in the correct direction

  63. 63.

    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 8:10 am

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    Chuck Schumer needs to tell him to shove it and have Susie Collins and Jeffy Flake help him make entitlement cuts

    No, Schumer needs to say “Why the fuck is that fascist talking about fucking over — YET AGAIN — anyone who is not a millionaire? Was it not enough that he already took $2 Trillion from the non-wealthy, and ‘transferred the wealth’ to his super-rich benefactors? How much are they paying him off to push this through? And now he wants to kill those patriotic Americans who need Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid JUST TO FUCKING SURVIVE? Take your ‘entitlement cuts’ and shove them up your Turtle ass, you fucking traitor.”

    OK, so delete the F-bombs. But outside of that …

    Schumer does not need to play it cute, he (or his surrogate) needs to punch that motherfucker in the throat, hard. Repeatedly.

  64. 64.

    satby

    October 17, 2018 at 8:10 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: Condolences on the passing of your father.
    We may never meet in person, but you are a jackal in an online family of jackals and we are here for you if you need to share anything.

  65. 65.

    Chyron HR

    October 17, 2018 at 8:13 am

    @NotMax:

    Professor Sam Wang can eat a dic bug.

  66. 66.

    NotMax

    October 17, 2018 at 8:15 am

    Open Thread?

    Attention bargain hunters – Sears announced an additional round of closures of their own brand, Kmart and Lands’ End stores on Monday. Full list is included in the article.

  67. 67.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 8:15 am

    @SFAW:

    OK, so delete the F-bombs.

    No. Fuck civility.

  68. 68.

    Quinerly

    October 17, 2018 at 8:16 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: oh… So sorry about your dad. I woke up very sad this morning myself. Three year anniversary of my mom’s death. Trying to lay off politics today. The constant fire hose of shit gets to me day in and day out. Was skimming the comments here and your nym and post stuck out. Had to comment and send my condolences. Hang in there.

  69. 69.

    Baud

    October 17, 2018 at 8:17 am

    @Baud:

    blaming history 

    History= Hillary.

  70. 70.

    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 8:17 am

    @JPL:

    I think it would have been good fun if Luckovich had added some road apples just below the Traitor-in-Chief’s mouth.

  71. 71.

    Quinerly

    October 17, 2018 at 8:18 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: ?

  72. 72.

    MomSense

    October 17, 2018 at 8:19 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:

    So sorry to hear about your dad. Sending a hug from the East coast.

  73. 73.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 8:19 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    This is somewhat related to that

    A treasured grandmother, in her last – 93, two months shy 94 – year said

    No one will remember me.

    Yes, they will grandma because I will tell them.

    Our loss is closer but I am guided by Give not Take.

    Well. Maybe not here…

    ;- )

    Some days, as per comment above, am desperate for humor. This joint provides.

  74. 74.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 17, 2018 at 8:21 am

    @Cermet: That was originally exactly what “entitlements” meant.

    But the word became convenient for the right when “entitlement” became a pejorative term for an unearned attitude. “Let’s cut your Social Security and Medicare” is monstrously unpopular; “let’s take a hard look at reforming entitlements” sounds like you’re cutting off handouts to some other people who are lazy moochers, even though it’s exactly the same thing.

  75. 75.

    Immanentize

    October 17, 2018 at 8:22 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I am very sorry. No matter the circumstances, I think having a parent die strips away a barrier to our own mortality. Or so it seemed to me when my Dad died. Stay strong.

  76. 76.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 8:22 am

    @Quinerly:

    Even by fingernails.
    A kind of peace does arrive but it’s damn hard earned.
    Nothing nice about it and not much for it.

  77. 77.

    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 8:23 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    No. Fuck civility

    Fuck off.

    The Schumer/whoever rant needs to “play in Peoria” more than on places like this fecking blog.

    Anyway, I hope all is well in the Ozark homestead. How’s the puppy doing? [It’s you with Percy/Persistent, right? Or has my senility advanced even more than I thought? Wait, where was I?]

    ETA: To be clear: to me, there are gradations of civility. Getting rid of an F-bomb or 10 does not mean becoming nice-and-polite, it just removes a distraction or 10. So I’m OK with being in someone’s face.

  78. 78.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 8:25 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    “No. Fuck civility.“

    Every day, in every way. Until they’re shunned like the carrion they are.

  79. 79.

    Immanentize

    October 17, 2018 at 8:25 am

    Damn! I just tore the tendon in my elbow again. I felt it this time. Ugh. Icing….

  80. 80.

    MomSense

    October 17, 2018 at 8:27 am

    @Quinerly:

    I have a big hug for you, too.

  81. 81.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 17, 2018 at 8:28 am

    @Immanentize: Oh crap. Tendons take forever to heal.

  82. 82.

    Ken Shabby

    October 17, 2018 at 8:28 am

    @SFAW:

    Yep.

    Nothing like a Good Day for making things right.

    Going high means from the throat, up.

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    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 8:30 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:

    So sorry to read of your father’s passing. Best wishes, keep remembering the good parts.

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    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 8:33 am

    @Ken Shabby:

    Nothing like a Good Day for making things right.

    Not sure I get your point. Being snarky/ironic?

    Going high means from the throat, up.

    Tentatively agree. I’m also OK with any of them being kicked in the nuts, with steel-toes. [ETA: Although I guess, technically, that’s not “going high.” But I’m OK with that, too.]

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    Immanentize

    October 17, 2018 at 8:38 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I know. I thought I had just got this one better. Switching out the windows for the screens on the three season porch — rrriipppp.

  86. 86.

    Kay

    October 17, 2018 at 8:39 am

    @Baud:

    There’s a tension there though. I noticed that in the debate with Elizabeth Warren. Do you focus on issues, or do you respond to GOP attacks? I remember soon after the election, people blamed Hillary for focusing too much on Trump

    Hillary was just recognizing reality. It was going to be all Trump all the time. The only coverage she got was the emails. Sadly, the NYTimes led the coverage and they suck at issues coverage. They do “political/social commentary” or something.

    There’s an advantage to GOP Party and message unity- they’re tied to Dear Leader. Everyone always talks about the herding cats thing as if it’s 100% downside. It also leaves room for a candidate to distance him or herself from a bad leader or bad position.

    Mike DeWine’s entire campaign could be summed up as “I’m not a dogmatic Gooper and please let’s not mention Donald Trump” but Cordray doesn’t have to mention Trump- Trump is 24/7.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 8:42 am

    @SFAW:

    [It’s you with Percy/Persistent, right?

    Yep. He’s fine, feeling a little under the weather today after yesterday’s “tutoring”. Yesterday morning on the way to the vet, he willingly climbed into the truck for the first time. (and considering what the end result was, maybe the last time?) Always before he reacted to the open door of a vehicle with abject terror. So progress is being made.

    @Immanentize: That’s what you get for patting yourself on the back. ;-) Sorry for your pain

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 17, 2018 at 8:43 am

    The money alone would explain the sense of painic from the GoP, fund rasing is the only reason they are in office now. They are looking at their grift collapsing.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 8:45 am

    @SFAW: It’s hard to “go high” when they are lower than a snake’s belly in a wagon rut.

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    Kay

    October 17, 2018 at 8:45 am

    @Baud:

    If it was “about Hillary” as a candidate then we wouldn’t see the same thing playing out in this midterm. They’re not covering issues. In this election it mattered less because Trump is known and not liked and it’s a midterm so it’s easier to go under them, but they still don’t cover anything but Trump’s reality tv antics and Hillary is down the road.

    They say the exact same thing about the midterms that they said about Hillary- “Democrats are just anti-Trump”. It wasn’t true then and it isn’t true now. They only want to cover Trump/Anti-Trump.

    They love this Trump shit. It feeds the big beast and the beast is always hungry. It’s an industry and they are industry players as much as any lobbyist or candidate.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 17, 2018 at 8:46 am

    @Baud:

    Do you focus on issues, or do you respond to GOP attacks?

    You attack Trump, relentlessly. Trump is the incumbent.

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    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 8:49 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Glad to hear Percy’s more-or-less OK.

    That’s what you get for patting yourself on the back.

    The voice of experience?

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    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 8:51 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It’s hard to “go high” when they are lower than a snake’s belly in a wagon rut.

    I was thinking “whale shit in the Marianas Trench,” but that’s just me.

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    satby

    October 17, 2018 at 8:52 am

    @Immanentize: I have felt your pain as recently as a couple days ago. Add Aleve/naproxen to the icing stat because it will fight the inflammation before it gets much of a start.
    I’ve never broken a bone (yet, anyway) but my tendons seem to be as fragile as butterfly wings.

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    Kay

    October 17, 2018 at 8:53 am

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    Jared Kushner did not answer my question and the secret service informs me, while obscuring my phone, that despite identifying as WH press, there is a “time and a place” for questions.
    It is unclear when and where that is.

    I’m ashamed we let this happen in the US- the nepotism is gross. Kushner is in the Saudi scandal up to his eyeballs and he’s untouchable because he’s in the Trump family and occupies this weird law-free corruption space that the Trump’s invented.

    Pass a LAW. Make it impossible for the Trump Administration to operate outside laws and rules. After Nixon there was something called “the transparency revolution”. “Good government” had a brief day in the sun. All kinds of sunshine laws were passed. The same thing needs to happen after we dislodge this corrupt First Family.

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    Immanentize

    October 17, 2018 at 8:53 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    When it happened my first thought was, “Curse you Ozark!”. I woulda shaken my fist in a South Westerly direction, but that hurt too much.

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    satby

    October 17, 2018 at 8:53 am

    And because you’re all still in this thread, repeated from above:
    Had an unexpectedly good day at the market so donated to Postcard Patriots (and signed up to get some addresses). Now trying to find that request for help go-fund-me someone posted about a veteran a couple of days back. And not having much luck. Anyone remember what day that was?

  98. 98.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 17, 2018 at 8:55 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Of course the problem with this is even the Liberal Press treats Trump’s damn tweets as serious news. Seriously Josh?

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    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 8:57 am

    @SFAW: Moi? I am a very humble man. Have I told you lately how humble I am? Why I am so humble I have never taken credit for inventing the internet. Which I totally did not do.

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    Heidi Mom

    October 17, 2018 at 9:01 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I’m so very sorry for your loss. And glad you’re here.

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    chopper

    October 17, 2018 at 9:02 am

    @Chyron HR:

    yep, this is it. he’s trying to foist responsibility for fixing the mess he made on the cleaning crew that’s coming in next shift. then he’ll start blaming them for making the mess in the first place.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 9:02 am

    @satby: I put the link in the other thread for you.

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    Ocotillo

    October 17, 2018 at 9:03 am

    I would suggest Social Security and Medicare be referred to as earned benefits and not entitlements.

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    Tenar Arha

    October 17, 2018 at 9:04 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: My condolences.

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    satby

    October 17, 2018 at 9:07 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: gracias!

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    debit

    October 17, 2018 at 9:10 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I am so sorry. I hate that whole “thoughts and prayers” platitude, but I actually will be thinking of you as I go about my day. ::hugs::

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    SFAW

    October 17, 2018 at 9:16 am

    @OzarkHumility:

    Moi? I am a very humble man. Have I told you lately how humble I am? Why I am so humble I have never taken credit for inventing the internet. Which I totally did not do.

    See if you can find my “Easter egg.” [Or whatever the kids call it.]

    ETA: Also, the intertoobz were/was not invented in Tennessee, not Missouri.

  108. 108.

    Immanentize

    October 17, 2018 at 9:20 am

    @satby: I am sorry you had that happen too. And good suggestion on the Aleve. Done. I’m wearing my black tendon band and with my suit, it looks like I am heading to a funeral…

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    WaterGirl

    October 17, 2018 at 9:26 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I am so very sorry about your dad.

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    Dupe1970

    October 17, 2018 at 9:26 am

    For Texas politics, follow Abby Livingston:

    https://twitter.com/TexasTribAbby/status/1052301466940166149

  111. 111.

    Dupe1970

    October 17, 2018 at 9:27 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Agree to disagree. Apathy helps but incumbent very often out raise their opponents and often scare away competition merely by the size of their war chest.

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    eclare

    October 17, 2018 at 9:28 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I’m so sorry about your dad. I’ve been there.

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    gene108

    October 17, 2018 at 9:30 am

    @Baud:

    I do hope the House passes Social Security reform that expands social security. Then we can see where American voters in the “heartland” stand on that issue in the 2020 election.

    They will stand with the Republicans and racist politicians.

    If Obama’s Presidency taught me anything, it is that no amount of economic prosperity will out weigh the desire of heartland voters to have white men in charge.

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    gene108

    October 17, 2018 at 9:31 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:

    Condolences.

  115. 115.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 9:34 am

    @Dupe1970: Agreed, but as they say, money doesn’t vote. I just happen to think that as important as money is to a campaign, it’s importance is overblown. YMMV.

  116. 116.

    WaterGirl

    October 17, 2018 at 9:38 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Glad Percy came through okay! We’ll hope that he is out of it enough that he won’t make the connection between the truck and feeling so crummy.

    My Tucker came through his teeth cleaning just fine, but he is very subdued today. Last night, too.

  117. 117.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 17, 2018 at 9:43 am

    @WaterGirl: So Tucker is tuckered out?

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    Steeplejack

    October 17, 2018 at 9:43 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:

    Sorry to hear about your father. My condolences to you.

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    laura

    October 17, 2018 at 9:43 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I am so sorry for your loss. I wish you Grace and Peace today and in the coming days.

  120. 120.

    Tony Jay

    October 17, 2018 at 9:49 am

    @Ocotillo:

    I would suggest Social Security and Medicare be referred to as earned benefits and not entitlements.

    The puke funnel can smear any variation in terminology just by repetition. Over here the smug snakes of the Right like to sneer about a ‘benefit culture’ being to blame for unemployment, though I’ve noticed lately that they’re pulling more and more terminology straight from the American playbook, ranting on about “reforming welfare” and “freeing wealth creators from regulation”. I guess that reflects the internationalisation of the whole Right Wing project, they’re drawing from the same pool of Think Tank bullshit and can’t be bothered reformatting for different audiences.

    The trick, I suppose, would be to pick a term that they wouldn’t want to repeat. ‘Pre-Paid Security’ might work. Who paid for it? You did, that’s why you get it and you shouldn’t vote for anyone who wants to take your security away from you.

  121. 121.

    Elizabelle

    October 17, 2018 at 9:56 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: My condolences on your father. You are in our thoughts.

    Do tell us more about that tea bus, one of these days.

  122. 122.

    Barbara

    October 17, 2018 at 10:05 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I am so sorry for your loss. I lost my mother and my brother this year and it feels like I lost pieces of who I am. Sending thoughts and sympathy.

  123. 123.

    danielx

    October 17, 2018 at 10:06 am

    Republicans cut taxes, deficit balloons, same Republicans start talking about deficits and “cutting entitlements”. Sun comes up in the morning, grass is green and water is wet.

    Now if we can just have some concern trolls tut-tutting about the deficit on Sunday am talk shows, the picture will totally be complete.

  124. 124.

    Barbara

    October 17, 2018 at 10:07 am

    @Mai Naem mobile: Well, I have been looking for postcard sized messages, and I have seen several tweets that I can use to create a pithy message for the next tranche of postcards. My husband thinks it’s funny, but he did buy me a roll of 100 stamps.

  125. 125.

    WaterGirl

    October 17, 2018 at 10:09 am

    @Barbara: When I lost my dad, the second of my two parents to go, it was beyond unsettling. The world still looked the same but I felt like my foundation was gone. It can take a good year to get your feet firmly back on the ground after a loss like that.

    Your mother and your brother? Too much loss. I am so sorry.

  126. 126.

    Elizabelle

    October 17, 2018 at 10:11 am

    @Barbara: My condolences to you, Barbara. That’s so hard.

  127. 127.

    Barbara

    October 17, 2018 at 10:13 am

    @WaterGirl: @Elizabelle:

    Thanks to both of you.

  128. 128.

    Kathleen

    October 17, 2018 at 10:29 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: My deepest condolences. Peace to you and your family.

  129. 129.

    westyny

    October 17, 2018 at 10:35 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: Sorry for your loss. The loss of a parent is mythic. I was surprised over time at the extent to which my relationship with my mother continued. I know you will find peace.

  130. 130.

    Kathleen

    October 17, 2018 at 11:15 am

    @Baud: They are on Twitter. Every one of them I’ve seen, starting with Pelosi and Schumer. Don’t watch cable or network Media Gigilos but all they seem to want to hear is Slanders demonizing Dems.

  131. 131.

    J R in WV

    October 17, 2018 at 11:18 am

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy:

    Sorry for your loss… my dad died at 1 pm or so Houston time on election day, 2004, so I know where you are today. My brother and his family were in Houston, love Texas, were why dad was there in the first place, are all hard core Republicans to this day. We don’t discuss politics in order to maintain some semblance of family.

    I’m glad we help you deal with harsh reality. I find I too get a lot of support from the Jackal community. Humor and information to help cope with the horrible daily assault on our national values. Hang in there.

    Losing a parent is always hard. It sounds like it was a long expected event, as it was for both of my folks, and that does help a little with the shock aspect. But it is still a blow, best of luck coping with it. Come here if you need human contact, any time of day or night. The insomniacs are usually here and willing to chat about anything.

    Our hearts are in the right place, mostly. We do care about each other, and about you in particular, today.

  132. 132.

    J R in WV

    October 17, 2018 at 11:33 am

    @JPL:

    The butt stops here

    Luckovich

    He is a wonderful, imaginative artist working for all of us. Thanks for sharing this with us here on B-J. I don’t think any change would be an improvement, it is perfect as it is composed and executed by Luckovich!

  133. 133.

    Groucho48

    October 17, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    I just tell the right wing trolls that the best way to “fix” SS is to increase the minimum wage. The main reason there is a bit of a future deficit in SS is that SS projected wages would increase roughly along with productivity. If we can get back to that, SS will be fine.

    Of course, they have no memorized response for this so they just laugh and move the goal posts. But, it does put them on the defensive.

  134. 134.

    Joseph A. Miller

    October 17, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    @Proudgradofcatladyacademy: I am so sorry to hear of your loss. My condolences to you.

  135. 135.

    Quinerly

    October 17, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    @MomSense: @Ken Shabby: pretty sure the thread is dead. Just getting back to it. Thanks for your sweet words.

  136. 136.

    Rick Taylor

    October 17, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    @Kay: “They’re actually in worse shape on health care than they were in ’08 because now people hate their private plans and they have a sense there’s some other alternative that is being denied them.”

    And because Democrats stole the moderate version of health care. The GOP can’t come out with a workable market based health-care plan, because it will essentially be Obamacare, which the’ve denounced.

  137. 137.

    Kent

    October 17, 2018 at 2:54 pm

    From the last Dana Houle quote: “I don’t think any model or historical comparison does or can adequately account for the magnitude of Dem candidate fundraising, & how this shows, though nobody felt it, a tectonic movement on the House map. The most important benefit off incumbency—money—is gone. This is huge.”

    I think the Republicans were incredibly stupid in the way they jammed through their tax cuts and judges. They basically gave the right wing billionare donors everything they were looking for in the first term. Now all they have to do is play defense which is about 100x easier than offence in the American political system. Had the Republicans really wanted to perpetuate their power they would have done the following:

    1. Make ALL the tax cuts temporary and fairly short term so that all the billionare donors would have had continued reason to fight for a Republican majority, and
    2. Keep the judicial filibuster and push more centrist judicial candidates forward that would earn at least 8-10 democratic votes so they could continue to tell all their fanatics that they need a 60 seat majority in the Senate to give them what they want.

    Now that they’ve got their permanent tax cuts and locked a pro-business anti-regulation majority into the Supreme Court for a generation there really isn’t much left for billionare donors to worry about anymore even if the Democrats take one or both houses of Congress.

    Congress typically writes expiration dates into most legislation, especially big regulatory programs that generate lots of lobby dollars. They do that specifically to keep the special interest money flowing every year. The farm bill is a perfect example. It was political malpractice for them not to do the same thing with corporate tax cuts.

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