Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

No one could have predicted…

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

The republican caucus is already covering themselves with something, and it’s not glory.

A consequence of cucumbers

If you are still in the GOP, you are an extremist.

Putin dreamed of ending NATO, and now it’s Finnish-ed.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

I was promised a recession.

Innocent people don’t delay justice.

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Usually wrong but never in doubt

DeSantis transforms Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

The words do not have to be perfect.

The most dangerous place for a black man in America is in a white man’s imagination.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

Ah, the different things are different argument.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

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I screenshot the last one because I expect Haberman or Bloomberg to delete or change their work.

No condemnation of violence from any Republican leader. Maybe Jeff Flake or Susan Collins will speak up against violence “on both sides.”

 

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  5. 5.

    lamh36

    ‪Already seeing the BOTS and Chump supporters trying to claim this as a Dem plot??. I fully expect Chump to do so as well before someone takes his phone away!‬

  6. 6.

    CliosFanBoy

    the Soros smear has gotten so pervasive that a Jewish coworker says she’s seen it appear on Jewish discussion board’s parroted by conservative Jews.

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    We’re all going to be mightily embarrassed when it turns out Ocasio-Cortez is behind this. // sarcasm //

  9. 9.

    Barbara

    @schrodingers_cat: She is working hard to become the Leni Riefenstahl of the Trump administration, with the same defensive tactic of hiding behind the excuse that she is just reporting what she sees and hears. Like hell she is.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    Maybe Jeff Flake or Susan Collins will speak up against violence “on both sides.”

    Is that before or after they furrow their brows ever-so-deeply? After which they will sponsor a bill which makes being a drunk, rapey, fascistic frat-boy a prerequisite for any lifetime appointment.

    I’d say “Fuckem,” but that’s better than they deserve.

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    When Trump and his allies talk about “civility” from their opponents they don’t mean being respectful or polite, neither of which is a value the president can claim to hold. They mean bending the knee or staying silent.

    — Student Loans ? (@AdamSerwer) October 24, 2018

    UH HUH
    UH HUH

  21. 21.

    SFAW

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    We’re all going to be mightily embarrassed when it turns out Ocasio-Cortez is behind this

    With help from Stacey Abrams and Beto O’Rourke, no doubt.

    Glad to see you figured out the Blechquote blockquote thing, by the way.

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    @OzarkHillbilly: She is the devil, you know. How do I know this? Because of the two women who were seated in the booth behind me at breakfast on Monday. Oh, and global warming is definitely a hoax. It was all I could do to not throttle them.

  24. 24.

    SFAW

    @schrodingers_cat:

    And the next R nominee to succeed T.

    Good one!

    Wait … do you seriously think he’s ever going to leave? Justice Rapey McFratboy will rule that the 22nd doesn’t apply to the Traitor-in-Chief, because he was born before it was passed by Congress and ratified. And The Founders were VERY CLEAR about the “born before ratification” exception.

  25. 25.

    tobie

    @rikyrah: I read that tweet wrong at first. Thought it was saying that the most respectful protest I’ve seen in my lifetime–taking the knee–was a-okay with our modern-day fascists. Then I re-read the tweet and saw that it said bending the knee, as in submitting to raw abuse of power. I so hate Republicans. It sometimes frightens me just how much contempt I have for them.

  27. 27.

    WaterGirl

    @rikyrah: Your comment earlier about a race war if something happened to one of the Obamas reminded me of a conversation with my RWNJ evangelical sister before Barack won the nomination in 2008. It was during the superdelegate uproar, with some speculation that superdelegates might vote for Hillary in spite of Barack having won the majority of delegates through voting and caucuses.

    She said “Do you think the blacks will riot if the superdelegates give the nomination to Hillary Clinton instead of Barack Obama?”

    My reply: I don’t know about “the blacks” (with scorn at her choice of words) but I will certainly be rioting if that happens, and so will a lot of other people. Maddening.

  29. 29.

    SFAW

    @WaterGirl:

    It was all I could do to not throttle them.

    I’ll be happy to kick in some money for bail, should you need it for something like that.

    And, for what it’s worth: one definition of stress that I recall is:
    Stress is the confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s basic desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately needs it.

  32. 32.

    Ruckus

    @tobie:
    It frightens me far more how many people have no contempt for them.
    They are contemptible. Maximumly contemptible. Because all of their fear and hate and bullshit is exactly that, bullshit.

  35. 35.

    JPL

    The Clinton package was intercepted yesterday and local NYC news broke the story. I wonder if the Secret Service expected to release a public statement. hmmm

    @lamh36: That was called a CYA package.

  42. 42.

    lamh36

    @Cheryl Rofer: Apparently while CNN was on air reporting about a package being sent to the WH, was when the alamein went off and the building was evacuated cause of a suspicious pavkage

  43. 43.

    kindness

    I don’t mean to harp on this subject but we on the Progressive side need to plan for how we deal with our ‘patriotic opposition’ when some of them start using their 2nd Amendment Solutions Kit. Remember all the butt-hurt from them when Trump won that they wouldn’t be able to use their 2nd Amendment Solutions Kit on traitorist Dems & Hillary supporters? That actually happened and far too widely for my tastes. When someone tells you something about themselves, you should believe it until proven otherwise. This is going to happen. How we react will define what this country truly is for the foreseeable future.

  44. 44.

    germy

    Comment over at LawyersGunsMoneyBlog

    Sultan of Swat • 5 minutes ago

    Brett Kavanaugh is my main suspect because he was pushing Hillary conspiracy theories during his confirmation hearing.

  46. 46.

    Cheryl Rofer

  49. 49.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @SFAW: As I said in the other thread, I didn’t even blockquote anything, so I have no idea how it happened. And no, I wouldn’t get a blechquote right either.

  51. 51.

    Sloane Ranger

    @janesays: Probably sent either to show the Trumpenfuhrer the good work whatever RWNJ is responsible for this is doing on his behalf, or to provide cover for tge Thugs.

  52. 52.

    r€nato

    @kindness: for eight years these cowards made all sorts of veiled threats against The Great Black Satan. And almost without exception, they looked for someone else to be in the front line.

    They ain’t gonna do shit because in the back of their tiny little minds, they know they will end up in PMITA federal prison. Pants-shitting Nugent patriots, every last one of them.

  53. 53.

    LAO

    I’m sitting at my desk, yelling out loud “make it stop.” And, nobody seems to think it’s strange behavior today.

  54. 54.

    msb

    @ rikyrah
    Amen.

    I keep remembering how the Oklahoma City bombing was what popped the civil boil the last time. I really don’t want any blood to be shed doing it this time. Not very hopeful, though.

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @WaterGirl: Next time just ask them if they are stupid, then when they start to answer cut them off and say, “Never mind, I don’t have any more time for stupidity.”

  57. 57.

    kd bart

    But Mitch McConnell couldn’t eat his club sandwich in peace. The man had indigestion for hours afterwards.

  58. 58.

    WaterGirl

    @OzarkHillbilly: It’s a good thing you weren’t there egging me on, because I actually contemplated stopping at their table and asking them if they had any idea how ignorant they were of actual facts .

    Not that I wouldn’t enjoy having breakfast with you!

  59. 59.

    tobie

    Southpaw’s twitter feed says that Wolf Blitzer is now partially retracting claim that a pipe bomb was sent to the White House. Trump and his minions turn everything, everything into a ploy. I feel like shouting that at every Christianist zealot/sanctimonious ass riding a car with the bumper sticker, “Life is sacred.” Bullshit. Who do these folks think they are keeping company with? Who do they think they are?

  60. 60.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @lamh36:

    Oddly, just a few minutes into the GA gubernatorial debate last night, an alarm began screeching and delayed the proceedings for several minutes. Had almost forgotten about it, but in retrospect and in context of everything else, it seems somewhat more ominous.

    #paranoidmuch?
    #NoConspiracyYou’reTheConspiracy

  61. 61.

    Ridnik Chrome

    @r€nato:

    They ain’t gonna do shit because in the back of their tiny little minds, they know they will end up in PMITA federal prison.

    Thumbs up for “Office Space” reference.

  62. 62.

    Cacti

    The “librul” media enabled and empowered a fascist personality cult in our midst, now they wring their hands and wonder how it happened.

    Three words for your mother fuckers: “But her emails”.

    It may end up being the epitaph of the republic.

  63. 63.

    El Caganer

    So at one time there was speculation that a terrorist attack right before the election would give Trump and the R’s the national security bump they needed. And here we are.

  64. 64.

    tobie

    @Cheryl Rofer: Reuters now reporting this is untrue. No pipe bomb was sent to the White House:

    euters Top News
    ‏
    Verified account

    @Reuters
    26s26 seconds ago
    More
    No suspicious package addressed to White House: source

    0 replies 1 retweet 4 likes

  65. 65.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @lamh36: It’s always projection from the Fright-Wing Nut Jobs of the Far Wrong, or more succinctly,

    accusation is confession

    Thirteen days to send those clowns from projection to rejection to dejection.

  69. 69.

    Elizabelle

    Your daily FTF NYTimes update: in their story about the Clintons receiving a bomb: it’s not in the current story, but per reader comments, it was there at one time:

    “Facing significant debts from the legal troubles that dogged Mr. Clinton’s presidency, the Clinton’s were able to buy the house after their chief fund-raiser, Terry McAuliffe, personally secured a loan.”

    They are clinical. This is ridiculous.

    A reader comment from 40 minutes ago:

    I fail to see how the information on how and when the Clintons purchased their home is relevant to this story. It seems entirely gratuitous, the type of insinuation and character slamming that marred much of the coverage of the last election. I note that neither Obama or Soros has his house described here, nor the neighborhood characterized (as affluent etc.), nor the manner in which he purchased or rented it outlined. Just the Clintons.

  72. 72.

    CarolDuhart2

    @Ridnik Chrome: And they know Trump would throw them under the bus without a thought. Also older righties remember what happened after the assassinations: society became more liberal both in law and fact.

  73. 73.

    Timurid

    @tobie:

    1. False positive because of heightened alert after other bombs
    2. Intentional false report/leak from inside WH to get “both sides” coverage

  74. 74.

    JPL

    Trump has a rally tonight, and he will talk about the evil dems and fake news. Do you think his staff will try to convince him to cancel the event.

  75. 75.

    Elizabelle

    What’s in the current FTF NY Times reporting on bomb to the Clintons — and is this relevant? — you decide:

    The Clintons bought their 11-room Dutch Colonial home in Chappaqua, an affluent Westchester enclave, in 1999 for $1.7 million as Mr. Clinton ended his tenure in the White House. The decision to settle in Westchester came as Mrs. Clinton was preparing to run for Senate from New York.

    Subtly (or not), it’s there. Hillary Clinton. Carpetbagger.

    The link: https://nyti.ms/2JdJI2N

  76. 76.

    schrodingers_cat

    Meanwhile in WashPost: Karen Tumulty concern trolls the Ds

    Democrats, beware: Overzealous investigations will come back to bite you

    Fuck you and shut up, you Republican enabling scum.

    If we replaced op-ed writers with monkeys randomly typing, that would be a marked improvement in the quality.

  77. 77.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Barbara: Bad analogy. Riefenstahl, reprehensible as her politics were, was a talented & innovative film director. MAGAt Horriblewoman is a hack & a scribbler.

  78. 78.

    Elizabelle

    @Uncle Cosmo: Agreed. One had genuine talent. The other: a publicist elevated way beyond her skills. Both women put their efforts to some really bad works.

  79. 79.

    maryQ

    I’m sorry, I know its not productive to say this right now, but every time I see Maggie tweet about the latest norm shattering in the Trump shit show, I am always tempted to reply “But Maggie, her emails”.

  81. 81.

    Captain C

    @SFAW:

    After which they will sponsor a bill which makes being a drunk, rapey, fascistic frat-boy a prerequisite for any lifetime appointment.

    And then act like they didn’t really want to on all the Sunday shows.

  87. 87.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @tobie:

    So did some GOP operative “leak” this “story” to the media in order to blame the Dems and sow chaos and division? Even before the report was retracted, I was thinking Reichstag Fire.

  93. 93.

    JPL

    @Elizabelle: Since you still have a subscription, would you see if the reporter is the same one that covered Alan Dershowitz’s vacay.

    I’m just curious, so it’s certainly not important.

  94. 94.

    lamh36

    OT, but Al Roker “has time today”. He is schoolin’ folks left and right on his twitter TL bout Megyn Kelly and her bullshit Blackface comment and apology

  95. 95.

    Gelfling 545

    @khead: Within a week he’ll be saying at some rally that the sender is “his kind of guy”. To raucous cheers from “Christians” and “patriots”.

  96. 96.

    Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog

    According to NPR, what they (the Clintons and Obama) have in common — along with George Soros, in whose mailbox a pipe bomb somehow ended up — is that they are all “polarizing figures.”

    Profiles in Journalistic Courage…

  97. 97.

    Elizabelle

    Is George Soros a funder of “left wing” causes? Maybe so. I think “liberal”, and maybe that’s the same thing, and maybe not.

    Just heard him described as that from interviewer on MSNBC.

  98. 98.

    lamh36

    Uh huh…notice how quick the media was to report the stuff bout the WH package though ??. Now they’ll have to tweak their both sides segments on the threats ??
    From Tapper:

    I’ve deleted the tweet about a suspicious package sent to the WH — @evanperez says law enforcement confusion led to that inaccurate report. Packages for WH and the Obamas are screened at the same place. So to clarify: law enforcement says no suspicious package sent to WH.
    https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1055115746924216321?s=21

  99. 99.

    Elizabelle

    @JPL: The reporter on this story is William K. Rashbaum.

    I am not familiar with that name, because I don’t read their national coverage that much these days, and certainly not the political stuff. They’re too whack, and time is too short.

    Doing a further check for you now.

  100. 100.

    opiejeanne

    @lamh36: Good for him. WTH, Megyn Kelly? She’s younger than most of my kids and it most certainly was not ok when they were growing up.

  101. 101.

    Mary G

    Maggie’s BFF, Glenn Thrush, had a tweet last night saying something like “we aren’t talking enough about the fact that historians of the future will see this election as incredibly racist.” I tweeted back at him saying one side is being racist. Half an hour later he deleted the tweet. FTFNYT.

  102. 102.

    Gelfling 545

    Meanwhile GOP in NY 27 is whining about unspecified threats against Bannon who is scheduled to speak at a local fire house to an (optimistically) anticipated crowd of (possibly) as many as 100 OR MORE! No law enforcements agencies have confirmed alleged threats in spite of the fact that the county sheriff is a Trumpite and white nationalist. Like anybody cares about Bannon.

  104. 104.

    Elizabelle

    @JPL: Rashbaum is a longtime NYT Metro reporter, who has covered a lot of corruption in NYS government. His bio:

    William K. Rashbaum is a senior writer on the Metro staff of The New York Times, where he focuses on political and municipal corruption, the courts, terrorism and broader law enforcement topics. Previously, he covered federal court in Brooklyn and served as the newspaper’s police bureau chief. He joined The Times in 1999, and has spent three decades writing about crime in New York, the city’s police department and the mob.

    Mr. Rashbaum was a member of a team of Times reporters that won the Pulitzer Prize in 2009 for its reporting on the involvement of New York’s governor, Eliot Spitzer, with prostitutes. Mr. Rashbaum and several other reporters also wrote a series of stories about the role of Mr. Spitzer’s successor, Gov. David Paterson, in protecting an aide who had abused his girlfriend. The allegations led Mr. Paterson to abandon his gubernatorial campaign in 2010.

    In 2014, he and two colleagues wrote a series of stories about a state anti-corruption commission created by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, who abruptly shut it down nine months later. The stories showed that the governor and his aides had interfered with the panel’s work when it focused on people or groups that were close to him. Mr. Cuomo’s shutdown of the panel, known as the Moreland Commission, led to several federal investigations, including one focused on his role in halting its work.

    A reporter since 1983, Mr. Rashbaum has worked at the Hearst Newspapers, UPI, Reuters and New York Newsday, leading that newspaper’s police bureau until 1995. Just before joining The Times, he spent four years at the New York Daily News covering crime and writing longer-term investigative stories.

    https://www.nytimes.com/by/william-k-rashbaum

  105. 105.

    Mike in NC

    Fat Bastard has ten rallies scheduled to fire up the deplorable base and try to save his neo-Nazi ass from irrelevance. There will be violence.

  107. 107.

    lamh36

    Ok…ok anyone else at the point that this is a distraction from RWNJ from something bigger guys?

    #BREAKING: Sunrise Police Department confirms an office building has been evacuated due to suspicious package in the mail. It’s the same building where the office of U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is located. @CBS4Ted is live at noon.

    https://twitter.com/cbsmiami/status/1055115311731666944?s=21

  110. 110.

    tobie

    @SiubhanDuinne: I don’t know yet who first reported a bomb sent to the WH. Tapper tweeted it early on and the right-wing trolls immediately glommed on to his twitter feed. One thing I’ve learned in the past five years is that self-identified white working class voters *love* to see themselves as victims of coastal elitists, feminazis, Black Lives Matter, La Razza, academics, liberals, etc etc etc. In their minds because they are victims, their hate, racism, and xenophobia is fully justified. They are whiners extraordinaire and like all whiners and blamers ultimately amoral and vicious.

  112. 112.

    Mandalay

    I screenshot the last one because I expect Haberman or Bloomberg to delete or change their work.

    You are on the ball: Bloomberg have updated the headline from “Trump Lobs a Nationalist Grenade Into the Midterms” to “Trump Launches a Nationalist Salvo at the Midterms” (which seems an odd way to address the problem with the original title).

    Of course Bloomberg didn’t mention that they had changed the article. It now seems to be standard practice by the media to freely modify online articles for any reason without mentioning what was changed.

  114. 114.

    Elizabelle

    The FTF NYTimes reporters on the Alan Dershowitz in Martha’s Vineyard stories:

    per NYTimes bio: (Mr.) Niraj Chokshi is a general assignment reporter with The New York Times’s express desk.
    story from July 3: Alan Dershowitz Says Martha’s Vineyard Is ‘Shunning’ Him Over Trump

    Also from July 3: On Martha’s Vineyard, a Frosty Summer for Alan Dershowitz
    Reporters are Jess Bidgood (no bio linked) and Julie Bosman.

    Julie Bosman’s bio up at NY Times:

    Julie Bosman is a national correspondent who covers the Midwest. Born and raised in Wisconsin and based in Chicago, she joined The Times in 2002 and has written extensively about politics, education, law enforcement and literature.

    Hmmm. Maybe some NYTimes reporters were already up there, in the area, or relished an expenses paid trip to Martha’s Vineyard.

    But on July 7 they brought out the Big Guns: yes, it’s the horrible Jeremy Peters, and look at the headline and blurb for his piece:

    Alan Dershowitz Is Enjoying This
    In an interview with The Times, Mr. Dershowitz talks about McCarthyism (Martha’s Vineyard-style) and why nuance doesn’t exist in politics anymore.

    Jeremy Peters’ bio, no reporting on it from before the NY Times. Is that true?

    Jeremy W. Peters is a reporter in the Washington bureau of The New York Times who covers politics.

    He has reported on a variety of topics for the paper, including two presidential campaigns, the machinations on Capitol Hill and the intersection of politics and the news media. Most recently he covered the 2016 election.

    His other assignments in his decade at The Times have included the financial markets, the economy and New York politics.

    He usually takes a notebook with him on vacation to file dispatches for the Travel section, which has featured his writing on trips from Corsica to the Caribbean. He graduated from the University of Michigan, where he was a reporter and editor for The Michigan Daily, with a B.A. in history and political science. He lives in Washington.

    Poynter link with more info on Peters. Not from the rightwing swamps; actually a journalist from college, and spent two years in Saint Thomas for the Virgin Islands Daily News.

  116. 116.

    Elizabelle

    @JPL: From Splinter, the last I’ll put up: New York Times Admits Running a Zillion Alan Dershowitz Stories Wasn’t Great

    … Now, even Times editor Dean Baquet has admitted that the Dershocalypse was a bit much. Here’s what he told the Daily Beast:

    “We are trying to increase our coverage of cranky white guys,” he joked. “Seriously, it’s a big place and different desks made their own plans. We should have coordinated better and done fewer.”

    The rest of the piece contains the usual anonymous sniping from Times journalists, as well as what seems like the now-requisite comment from former Times editor Jill Abramson (“‘Six reporters!’ she said, laughing. ‘That’s the only comment this needs’”). But Baquet’s response is the most important, and revealing.

    “Different desks made their own plans” says quite a lot about the priorities of the Times, doesn’t it? What kind of place is this that Alan Dershowitz floats some nonsense complaint about being snubbed by fellow zillionaires—or publishes a book whose real purpose is to get him more publicity—and multiple divisions of the New York Times spring into action independent of each other?What is it about this man and this story that rings such a loud alarm in the Times offices?

  118. 118.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @lamh36:

    Before this is over, someone is going to be seriously injured if not killed. And so far, they’ve all been directed to well-known Republican bogeymen: Soros, Obamas, Clintons, DWS, CNN. I hope Nancy Pelosi’s people are on high alert.

  119. 119.

    Elizabelle

    The FTF NYTimes has removed all catty language about the Clintons from their reporting on the bombs received.

    But it was there, at one time, in two different iterations.

  120. 120.

    PJ

    @Elizabelle: Soros supports civil institutions which support democracy and human rights, which, in the world the Koch brothers have made, are purely “leftist” causes.

  124. 124.

    Mandalay

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Bad analogy. Riefenstahl, reprehensible as her politics were, was a talented & innovative film director. MAGAt Horriblewoman is a hack & a scribbler.

    Haberman has sent out 25 tweets in the last 2 hours. When you are busy sending out a tweet every 5 minutes no reasonable person can expect there to be any filtering on the drivel being spewed.

  127. 127.

    JPL

    @Elizabelle: Someone has it and I hope they are mocked for their reporting. I wonder how many cancellations they received before they pulled the story.
    Now you have to keep your subscription so you can inform the rest of us. I still have the subscription to the crossword puzzle though.

  129. 129.

    Bruuuuce

    @condorcet runner-up: I wish we in NY had a viable alternative to Chuck, but we don’t, yet. (He’s not up, this year, anyway.) He’s not bad in a lot of ways, but really vulnerable to pressure to appear moderate and even-handed, to the point where he puts out crap like that tweet.

  131. 131.

    J R in WV

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Someone should check out the finances of the Grey Lady. She sure is shilling for a lot of shady characters off late.

    They have supported shady characters for at least nearly a century. Starting with Josep Stalin and Adolph Hitler back in the 1920s and ’30s. So it isn’t a recent trend, but a long established pattern of supporting fascist authoritarian dictators, like our current Orange Drumpf.

    I’ve provided links to various archived stories in the past, too much like work to keep that up, but it’s easy to find if you doubt me. Stories that support the actions of the Soviet in Ukraine to create a famine that changed the composition of the population to mainly of Russian heritage by killing off the Ukranian people by shipping all the harvest out of Ukraine, with troops.

    Oops, the stories didn’t mention shipping the food away, my bad. Just what a good strong job Mr. Stalin was doing managing Ukraine’s problems.

    Stories about how “firm leadership” of Mr. Hitler was bound to improve the daily lives of the Germans. Except for the dead people, I guess. That wasn’t in the story about the new German leader, either.

    Funny about the holes in the NY Times stories about “strong leaders” — isn’t it?

    Not so much, actually.

  133. 133.

    Bruuuuce

    @Mandalay: But well after the attacks on Democratic offices in Florida that were organized by a GOP official, or the ones in NYC following that POS Gavin Macinnes’ speech AT the GOP offices (in which the victims of the beating were arrested immediately, while the NYPD only collected attackers after public outcry). If Twitter were a World Series game, that tweet (and similar positions he’s taken in the past) would be like being up at bat using overcooked spaghetti instead of hardwood

  135. 135.

    Mandalay

    @Elizabelle: The quote you provided is no longer in the article.

    As I mentioned above, changing articles without noting the changes made is now standard practice by our failed media.

  136. 136.

    Shalimar

    @Timurid: Intentional fake report to get it out there in the cycle. From now on, any right-winger who talks about today will refer to the White House bomb that was covered up. Just having Tapper report it gives it enough credibility to live forever.

  137. 137.

    MCA1

    @PJ: And, apparently, “controversial” and even “polarizing,” also too.

    The Right has so successfully moved the Overton window of discussion in this country I fear we’ll never get back to a reasonable middle ground. Basic decency, good governance, and the Social Compact are labelled as weakness, soshulizm, handouts and identity politics as they’re laundered through our media apparatus, prepped to be dismissed and derided by half our population upon consumption.

    We’re legitimately at a point where things like “Honesty is valued” and “Citizens should have broad access to voting in elections” and “Subject matter knowledge is a good thing” and “Encouraging political violence is bad” need to be re-litigated or something. Those are now controversial statements, apparently.

  138. 138.

    condorcet runner-up

    @Bruuuuce: He is great on a lot of things, especially local constituent services and that sort of thing. It’s the national messaging where he and others of that generation of Dem leadership seem to be stuck on a world view that just simply doesn’t match reality right now.

  139. 139.

    Elizabelle

    Listening to MSNBC online; they’re going over and over how well-protected former presidents and other elites are. Although, that bomb did get through to Soros’ home.

    Telegraphing to the bomber: choose a softer target.

    Andrea Mitchell telling us George Soros is “not a household name.” Stuff it, Mrs. Greenspan.

  140. 140.

    condorcet runner-up

    @Mandalay: Point taken, but he is still in that tweet equating vandalism with sending a deadly weapon to the home of a private citizen.

  141. 141.

    WaterGirl

    @tobie: I am so sick of these lying sacks of shit that are running our country AND of the stupid/evil/clueless media who repeat their lies.

  142. 142.

    Bruuuuce

    @condorcet runner-up: I actually agree. He’s a good, but not great, Senator, I just want him to do better., or else to find someone who will while still fighting on all the other fronts. (But I think I prefer his cousin, for entertainment value.)

  143. 143.

    Mandalay

    @Bruuuuce: Fair enough; Schumer’s statesmanlike “both sides” approach is fundamentally flawed. He should be more courageous, and go after Trump for his incendiary rhetoric on an ongoing basis instead.

    That said, the previous poster clearly gave the impression that Schumer had sent the tweet after this morning’s events. I dislike Schumer, and think he has done a rotten job over the past two years, but that doesn’t justify distorted criticism.

  144. 144.

    Elizabelle

    Hillary speaking now.

    The contrast between her and the jackass in the White House.

    I am ashamed for those who put him there.

  145. 145.

    Elizabelle

    Hillary: “As a person, I’m great. As an American, I’m worried.”

    Grandkids get the first shout-out.

  146. 146.

    lamh36

    this is getting ridiculous!

    @Tom_Winter
    2m2 minutes ago
    More
    BREAKING / NBC News: Another suspicious package sent to Former Attorney General Eric Holder has also been intercepted.

    Reported by Pete Williams.

    ETA: I trust Pete Williams reporting more than most.

    Also too… Apparently, a hot mic heard someon at MSNBC say “I mean, we can guess this list” and laugh before or as this was being reported

  147. 147.

    condorcet runner-up

    @Mandalay: “Original poster” here. No “distorted criticism” intended by my original post, as the point was that equating vandalism to deadly explosives under the “both sides” framework is wrong.

  148. 148.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    I’m listening to NBC and some officer on there launched into what he called the political side of the event, saying when you think about the “assaults” on Rs recently, maybe this is someone trying to distract from that by claiming Ds are victims. I had to turn it off.

  149. 149.

    Barbara

    @Elizabelle:

    Andrea Mitchell telling us George Soros is “not a household name.” Stuff it, Mrs. Greenspan.

    Andrea Mitchell should be retired for complete incompetence. I googled a string of names of the bomb recipients so far and it took me until the third page of google (to get past the current stories about the bomb) to find this little gem, which I won’t link to.

    The New World Order globalist cabal has given marching orders to the American political class, top corporate officers and leadership throughout civil society to launch the next phase of CIVIL WAR 2.0.It’s the Rothschild international banking cartel that appears to be instigating this ever-intensifying civil war via foreign agents such as George Soros. Nevertheless, it is the likes of George Soros, Barack and Michelle Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, John Podesta, John Brennan, James Clapper, Michael Hayden, James Comey, Rod Rosenstein, Robert Mueller, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Andrew McCabe, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Tom Perez, Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Kamala Harris and many other Democratic traitors who willingly carry water for the NWO cabal. Therefore, the single most effective initiative that President Trump can take to prevent civil war is to arrest George Soros.

    I suggest that anyone on that list who doesn’t already have a protective detail intercepting their mail get one double quick.

  150. 150.

    lamh36

    So Pence tweeted a statement and Chump retweeted it and said “Ditto”

    That’s it…while of course Ivanka issed a bullshit statement too

  151. 151.

    Bruuuuce

    CNN is reporting that Kamala Harris has a field office in the same building as the San Diego Union-Tribune. Makes sense, whichever was targeted.

  152. 152.

    MisterForkbeard

    Having an argument with a facebook friend’s friend. He immediately jumped to “It’s an obvious left wing false flag, don’t believe it”. It’s mostly stayed civil so far, we’ll see if that happens.

    @Elizabelle: Jesus H Christ, Andrea Mitchell. Trump, Gaetz, and the extended rightwing noise machine LITERALLY just spent a week trashing Soros and blaming him for starting a “caravan” that had secret muslims in it coming to invade the US. That doesn’t even count the past 10 years of right-wing specific demonization. He sure sounds like a good target for a whackjob that listens to RW news.

  154. 154.

    lamh36

    @eorden
    New, from @PamelaBrownCNN and @joshscampbell: A suspicious package was sent to Eric Holder but it had the wrong address and was returned to Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s office in Florida because that was the return label on the package, according to two law enforcement sources.

    11:38 AM – Oct 24, 2018

  156. 156.

    lamh36

    @lamh36: notice what they said about the return label!

    Return label address was to Schultz office…uh huh…have the RWNJ come out adding this to the “Dems did it to themselves” list yet?

  157. 157.

    john b

    Sandra Day O’Connor was a trailblazer. Too bad Bush v. Gore ruined her legacy.:

    When, in 2000, the networks began calling the election for Al Gore, O’Connor, at a party held by friends, blurted out, “it’s over,” and rose from her seat before the television in disgust. Her husband, John O’Connor, explained to the other guests that she wanted to retire and of course did not want to turn over her seat to a Democratic president. Six weeks later, she cast the critical fifth vote to stop the recount of the Florida ballots and guarantee the White House for the Republican.

  158. 158.

    Amir Khalid

    @Elizabelle:
    This former journo doesn’t buy the “Different desks made their own plans” line. At the newspaper where I worked, the desk editors on duty have a daily “budget meeting” where they discuss what stories they’re using tomorrow and what else they’re working on. It keeps things coordinated and among other things helps avoid duplication of coverage by multiple desks. I cannot believe that editorial desks at The NYT work in silos isolated from each other, as that statement implies. You just do not run a news organisation that way.

  159. 159.

    Elizabelle

    @Amir Khalid: Doesn’t pass the smell test with me either, Amir. Thinking on cancelling the Grey Lady after the midterms. On the one hand, it’s good to monitor them. On the other: I don’t want to fund the Sulzbergers’ vendetta against the Clintons and other non-Republicans. All these terrible hires and stories did not happen by themselves. It is a body of work.

    And a piece of work, too.

  160. 160.

    J R in WV

    And of course, we must never forget that shouting at a treasonous monster eating dinner out is exactly equal to setting an explosive in a non-political person’s mailbox.

    I mean, really, who wouldn’t think that shouting at someone guilty of political horror on behalf of Russia is the same as blowing someone up who’s job is to go get the mail each day after the mailman runs through the neighborhood.

    Can’t we get an indictment for inciting to riot on someone here? Like The Donald?

    Or, wait, is calling a group of racist fascist thugs deplorable, that’s the same thing as inciting violence? Oh, sure it is!! What’s wrong with me for not seeing that up front???

  162. 162.

    Cheryl Rofer

    @lamh36: For example,

    Also, the New York Police are reporting that there was white powder in some of the packages.

  165. 165.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @maryQ: I’d be tempted to reply

    But MAGAt, your kneepads!

    ” (Alluding to one Monica Lewinsky, who reportedly [source here] “when [she] first left for Washington, …vowed ‘to get [her] presidential kneepads.'”)

  166. 166.

    louc

    @khead:Nope. It only took two, judging from what I’ve seen on Twitter. Maybe not prominent people but RWNJs and Russian trolls are.

  170. 170.

    Dman

    How this plays out will be as follows:

    Basic condemnation from the right wing mouthpieces

    Breathless speculation on who it is

    Sudden turn of events pointing to a left winger who is trying to influence the upcoming elections

    Media glom on and follow the muddy waters down the BS while the right-wing machine normailzes it all

    Feel sorry for you all. Such hatred is scary

  171. 171.

    lamh36

    Wait a minute, a suspicious package was sent to Cuomo too?

    @AliVelshi
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    BREAKING: a SEVENTH device appears to have been sent to the Congressional mail facility. 1. Soros 2. Clinton 3. Obama 4. CNN 5. Holder. 6. Cuomo 7. Congressional Mail Facility (possible)

  174. 174.

    Mandalay

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    “Meghan McCain compares bombs targeting Dems to Republicans getting ‘heckled at restaurants’”

    That is as big and blatant a lie as I have ever seen in any article. From the video, this was the actual discussion:

    Joy Behar: “Every time he [Trump] says thing like “The press is the enemy of the people” his entire party needs to stand up against him, and say something. Mitch McConnell – where is he? He’s the leader of his party.”

    Meghan McCain: “He’s getting harassed and heckled when he goes out in public to have dinner with his wife…”

    Nobody on the panel pushed back against what McCain said, and McCain made no mention of bombs.

    To be clear I have no time for Meghan McCain, or the “both sides” tight rope she constantly walks. But the story pushed by RawStory is a vile lie. It’s also worth reading the comments for that article. Hundreds of people were dumping on McCain for something she never said, or even remotely implied.

    Here’s the actual video that RawStory lied about. The relevant conversation starts around 6:30.

    And to the author of that smear article, Travis Gettys: Fuck you. You are lying scum.

  175. 175.

    Cheryl Rofer

    @Mandalay: Thanks! I try not to retweet incorrect stuff, but I get caught every once in a while. I’ll admit I hesitated when I saw “RawStory.” Will scratch them from future retweets.

  176. 176.

    Cheryl Rofer

    As to the count so far, I haven’t seen Cuomo, did see Maxine Waters got a package bomb. I’ve been on and off line, will be more off line during the afternoon.

    Let’s all wait for a bit to evaluate the count. But this is a significant attack.

  177. 177.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36: So much for them having said they were keeping the return address secret. All the packages had the same return address.

  179. 179.

    Mandalay

    @condorcet runner-up:

    the point was that equating vandalism to deadly explosives under the “both sides” framework is wrong

    You are right, and I wish Schumer would drop his “both sides” approach immediately, and forever.

    Instead, he should dump on Trump whenever he uses incendiary rhetoric, and point out that his fellow Republicans in Congress are scared to speak out against him.

  180. 180.

    J R in WV

    @lamh36:

    The comments under that twit with the photo are amazing. All proven now that this package was assembled, addressed, handled all by a Democratic operative, to distract from the other distraction underway at the southern border of Mexico.

    Amazing. I so seldom dip into the pool of toxicity surrounding the Russo-Republican party and its drones. The degree of stupid and evil evident from every Russian supporter was astounding.

  181. 181.

    janesays

    @Cheryl Rofer: Raw Story fucks things up a lot. They once published an article discussing impeachment and: a) failed to note that it takes 67 senators to remove a federal officeholder; and b) incorrectly stated that three presidents have been impeached, including Nixon (who surely would have been had he not resigned first, but nevertheless, facts matter).

  182. 182.

    condor

    @Mandalay: Thanks for understanding. You would think it is such an easy lay-up to call this sort of thing out without fearing (or maybe even better, caring) about the inevitable criticism from the usual peanut gallery on the right, as well as the pointless “centrists” in the beltway media. I am encouraged by Pelosi using the words “corruption” and “lying” in her latest statements, and it appears that the newer crop of Democratic candidates (Beto, Gillum, etc.) are not afraid to point out when and explicitly describe how their opponents are lying, or are speaking on behalf of their donors instead of their ostensible constituents.

  183. 183.

    Mnemosyne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    There is no way that a “lone wolf” could send out this many bombs in this short of a time.

    This is a coordinated attack by a group of people. I guarantee you.

    (Unless Adam says otherwise, because he’s the criminology expert, not me.)

  184. 184.

    different-church-lady

    If we had a properly functioning media, we’d have a national conversation about how the president of our country feeds the flames of domestic terrorism Trump would not be president.

  185. 185.

    different-church-lady

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail.

    And it’s not as if the lives of the security people matter or anything…

  187. 187.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    You can put any return address on a label that you want to. I’ve mailed packages from San Francisco to LA with my home address as my return address and my work address as the main address so it will show up at one of the two places even if delivery gets messed up.

    At best, that might be a clue that that package was mailed from Florida.

  189. 189.

    Shalimar

    @Cheryl Rofer: Cuomo’s turned out to be a threatening letter, not anything that looked like a bomb. So he basically said “me too, hey, over here, give me some attention.”

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