Gotta say, there's irony in Veritas trying to infiltrate the campaign of a former CIA employee. Dumb, dumb irony.https://t.co/ypIFRWqW64
— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) October 31, 2018
Only in a truly dumb, bloated dinosaur of a political party could a submoronic parasite like James O’Keefe III and his nitwit minions do so well for themselves…
A conservative group that creates undercover “sting” videos infiltrated the campaign of Abigail Spanberger, a Democrat in a tight race with Rep. Dave Brat in Virginia’s 7th District.
The campaign said a young woman working for Project Veritas posed as a Democratic volunteer and spent every day over the past several weeks in Spanberger’s suburban Richmond campaign office, performing basic office tasks — and peppering her office mates with questions that eventually raised red flags.
Campaign staffers on Wednesday confronted her and asked her to leave, a video released by the campaign shows…
O’Keefe released two videos, both capturing conversations between Jorge and Spanberger staffer Michael Phelan. In one, Phelan says Spanberger thinks President Trump’s proposed border wall is “stupid” and a waste of money. Spanberger has publicly opposed the wall, saying there are better ways to enhance border security.
In the other video, Jorge marvels at the “diversity” of Spanberger donors, noting that they include former FBI director James B. Comey and Jonathan Soros, the son of billionaire philanthropist George Soros, who has become a frequent target to the right…
The latest poll shows Brat — a former economics professor who won the seat four years ago after a shocking primary upset over then-House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R) — virtually tied with Spanberger, a former CIA agent and federal law enforcement officer.
Brat cruised to a 15-point reelection win two years ago but faces a strong challenger in Spanberger, whose résumé may appeal to swing voters and moderate Republicans turned off by Trump…
Problem with relying on ratfvckers — once you let them in, the bastids never go away. Ask ’embattled Trump aides’ about the ever-helpful Roger Stone, for instance!
Brat’s campaign manager says they had no knowledge of or involvement with the fake volunteer who spent about two weeks inside the Spanberger campaign.
— Patrick Wilson (@patrickmwilson) November 1, 2018
Amazing. The big reveal that Project Veritas got was undercover video of a Spanberger staffer saying he had no clue who George Soros even was prior to Soros being used as an attack line against Democrats. https://t.co/1bEf9kKn3M
— Sam Stein (@samstein) October 31, 2018
dmsilev
I’m sure that revelation is utter campaign poison given that the majority of the country agrees with her. Wait, what?
TenguPhule
Did they search her for stuff she obviously wasn’t supposed to remove from the office?
Like oh…donor & registered voter lists?
TenguPhule
Mary G
I have given to tweeting the GOP that they can only win by cheating every time I read about Kemp in Georgia or the various villains in North Dakota. It takes up a lot of time.
RedDirtGirl
Open thread? Was there video of Sarah Sanders storming off the podium recently? I feel like I saw something about it, but didn’t get to watch it.
Patricia Kayden
@TenguPhule: I assume what she did was illegal. I certainly hope so.
Jay
“7th district GOP State Central Committee Rep. has been tweeting about Project Veritas infiltrating Spanberger campaign for weeks”
http://richmond2day.com/7th-district-gop-state-central-committee-rep-has-been-tweeting-about-project-veritas-infiltrating-spanberger-campaign-for-weeks/
JPL
NBC nightly news is going to show the young lady that dressed as the first lady for Halloween ..
Mnemosyne
You gotta love all of these revelations that what Democrats say behind closed doors is pretty much exactly what they advocate in public, except that they sometimes use swear words behind closed doors.
jharp
I had never heard of Abigail Spanberger until this and holy shit am I impressed.
Looks like O’Keef’s stunt has a good chance to put her over the top and win.
God wouldn’t that be sweet
pk
The guardian seems to have an article every day talking to Trump supporters. They’ve been at it since 2016. Today it’s someone who spent a week at Trump rallies. Seriously, is this journalism? What do they hope to achieve? It’s as if no one else matters. There’s literally nothing new, no fresh insight, just the same old cult worshiping garbage talk from uninformed worthless idiots. The only new aspect would be if they did MRI scans or actually dissected a Trump supporter’s brain to see what percentage is actually rotten.
At what point is repeating the same thing over and over again is not considered news.
jharp
@JPL:
My wife and I were deeply moved by that little girl and her costume.
And we really loved the photo of Obama bending down to allow the 5 year black boy to touch his hair after the little fellow asked if Obama’s hair was like his.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12282926/dnc-michelle-obama-little-boy-hair-photo
God do I miss the Obama’s.
Jay
@pk:
Treason Tribble supporter autopsy’s generate page views.
Media is about Money, not news and information.
NotMax
@TenguPhule
Someone is in desperate need of an intervention regarding Twitter. Cold turkey prescribed.
JMG
@pk: Guardian is British. Britain’s politics are even more dysfunctional than ours and with Brexit coming up to maybe end the country, pointing to how other countries are horrible is all they have left. Guardian is impeccably liberal most of the time but you have to read their coverage of France. Stops just short of referring to them as “frogs.”
germy
And Maggie assures us it might just be puffery
WaterGirl
@JPL: Would that be FOREVER FLOTUS, of the Be Best Lady?
Patricia Kayden
@germy: And Mueller is quietly and doggedly on the case. Can’t wait to see what he does right after the elections next Tuesday.
NotMax
@Jay
Are you part Klingon? Why do you hate on tribbles so?
The Venn diagrams of tribbles and of Dolt 45 are two separate circles, separated by approximately a light year.
A Ghost To Most
@TenguPhule:
Sounds like the opening to “Down on the Farm”.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@Patricia Kayden:
I’d love to read Mueller’s memoirs. I want to know what he thinks of the current GOP, given he’s been a Republican for many decades.
germy
@Patricia Kayden:
Arrest Jacob Wohl maybe.
WaterGirl
@germy:
Sly suggestion that of course there isn’t an ACTUAL link; that’s all just hearsay. How I loathe that woman.
germy
@NotMax: And Kirk sentenced those tribbles to certain death when he beamed them onto that Klingon ship.
germy
@WaterGirl: You caught that.
That’s the game she plays.
Jay
@NotMax:
I don’t hate tribbles. I hate that Dolt 45 wears the skin of a dead one on his head.
MazeDancer
News from Twitter
More to go, but that is 2K votes for sure going to Heidi Heitkamp.
Around 332K people voted in ND in 2016.
Which is, of course, why we want some billionaires to buy up ND and move people there for voting. Two Senate seats, cheaper than campaigning.
WaterGirl
@germy: Ugh. She likes to play both sides whenever it suits her, but it’s clear she has a team. Did I say Ugh?
GregB
The whole of the NYT’s reporting staff us corrupt. They are all in way way or another a message laundering service for one camp ir another of Trump’s corrupt cabal.
Martin
@jharp: She was part of the Women Rising ad. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/us/politics/campaign-ads-midterm-elections.html
Lots of unbelievably impressive candidates out there.
Steve in the ATL
Shouldn’t it always be described as “the ironically named” project veritas?
oatler.
@JMG: I enjoy The Guardian’s food articles. The vegans and carnivores go at each other like Kilkenny cats,
Mnemosyne
@germy:
I dunno, I like to think that the Klingons’ hearts were softened, they figure out a spay and neuter program, and now all Klingon warships secretly carry a supply of purring, snuggly tribbles to keep the crews happy.
Mary G
They’re not all Jill Stein, I guess:
Roger Moore
@WaterGirl:
That would be the First Lady, not the Third “Lady”.
germy
@Mnemosyne: Our cat has a normal purr, but if I pick her up and carry her, the purr turns into a tribble sound.
MazeDancer
Abigail Spanberger is an OG Balloon Juice Candidate. There were 4 from VA. All women. All fabulous. Vangie Williams, Elaine Luria, and Jennifer Wexton were the other three.
PostCard Patriots Writers sent 500 PostCards each for each of them. Usually requested in batches of 20 to 25.
Info on how to phone bank for Elaine Luria is on the site: PostCardPatriots.com
Litlebritdifrnt
According to my twitter feed (which follows a lot of Brits) there are calls now to halt Brexit considering one of the leading contributors to the Brexit campaign has been referred to the criminal investigators because other investigators couldn’t figure out where the source of the contributions came from. A review of his companies books show that none of them had the wherewithall to make the contribution. Interesting to say the least.
trollhattan
What are Virginia’s wiretap laws? California requires two-party consent and it would be sweet if this trixie could be charged with a state law violation.
TenguPhule
For those of you who missed Trump’s speech earlier today.
I am sure Trump couldn’t possibly be thinking of invoking National Emergency Powers over an “emergency” he’s making up out of whole cloth. //s
trollhattan
BTW, score one for the good guys, as Wyoming’s version of an ag-gag law has been stricken down in federal court.
Steve in the ATL
@trollhattan: if I may be pedantic (and just try to stop me!), the correct phrasing is “all party” consent rather than “two party” consent.
Steve in the ATL
@trollhattan: Virginia is a one party state
tokyokie
@MazeDancer: I did a couple of dozen postcards for her. Thanks for the tip!
MazeDancer
@Jay:
Laughed. Very loudly. Well done.
Patricia Kayden
@MazeDancer: Nothing but praise for the Lakota legal fund which is working to make sure that some Native Americans can exercise their right to vote. So are Republicans going to oppress votes into the foreseeable future or will they finally get a clue and start reaching out to minority voters? This is sickening.
charon
@Mary G:
Very timely, now that most of the votes are already cast – vote by mail plus early voting.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Steve in the ATL: Yes.
Patricia Kayden
An important explanation of why Hondurans are fleeing their country by the thousands.
John Revolta
@Mnemosyne: Tribbles hate Klingons. It’s genetic or something. It’s like a cobra snake and a mongoose.
ETA: Who knew a Tribble comment would get moderated?
Damn furries.
p.a.
If anyone knows, or knows how to find, EFG’s contact info I’d appreciate the info. I will hang out here for the next hour-ish. Thanks.
John Revolta
@germy: I used to worry about that too. However it was Scotty that did it
TenguPhule
Score another one for the good guys.
Rep. Steve King erupts as questioner compares his immigration views to Pittsburgh shooting suspect’s
Viral video out now.
John Revolta
@jharp:
Well, there’s something we never have to worry about happening to Trump.
WaterGirl
@p.a.: I believe that Subaru Diane has that information and will share it with BJ regulars if you contact her by email. Sadly, I do not have her address to share.
germy
@John Revolta: Jimmy Fallon did that.
The Midnight Lurker
Not so much Spy vs. Spy, but more like Spook vs. Kook.
sukabi
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??: pretty sure “fucking moronic treasonous bastards” wouldn’t fill a book, but it is a catchy title.
John Revolta
@germy: Oh yeah. But I don’t think he was wondering if his hair was like Trump’s. I mean no actual human could wonder that.
Patricia Kayden
@TenguPhule: Then King defended himself by claiming that he’s a huge supporter of Israel so how can he be compared to an anti-Semite? The mind boggles.
NotMax
@germy
That was Scotty, on his own initiative, not Kirk.
BroD
@Mary G: Terrific hobby!
NotMax
@Jay
If you’re looking for something alliterative, might I humbly suggest Treason Troglodyte?
MazeDancer
Finally got to watch all 9 minutes of Oprah bringing the Word for Stacey Abrams. Outstanding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=VnRii9nGyTY
Upfront, she tells the story of Otis Moss, Sr, trying to vote for the first time. In Georgia. Story will make you cry. And be angry.
And if you don’t vote after hearing it, you don’t deserve to be an American.
Central Planning
I need some help from the grammar aficionados here. I’m having an argument (well, a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition) with my eldest son about the use of “on” or “in” in relation to location, and specifically when referring to Long Island (the fish-shaped island that is to the east of NYC and south of Connecticut).
Being from there (which makes me automatically correct, in addition to being automatically correct because I’m his dad), I would have said I live on Long Island. He says you can also say “in Long Island.”
I’ve seen references to “prepositions of place” – in, on, and at – which go from general to specific.
What’s the consensus? I can hold out as long as I need to on this :)
?BillinGlendaleCA
@WaterGirl: I was unaware of this until last week but Subaru is what the Japanese call the Pleiades.
Gin & Tonic
@p.a.: You can e-mail Subaru Diane, or contact her through AL or Adam.
FlipYrWhig
@Central Planning: I grew up in New Jersey and NJ/NY is the hotbed of “in”/”on” confusion. When my parents moved there they were shocked by the prevalence of “get/wait on line” vs. “get/wait in line.” And this was the pre-Internet era so there was no confusion regarding “online” in any other sense.
So, shaped by that, I feel like “in Long Island” is super wrong, even though “in New York” or “in [State]” is completely normal.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Central Planning: I think you are correct, you live ON an island. You could live IN a specific city ON Long Island.
ETA: I suppose you could live in the Long Island portion of New York.
ETA: In the case of Hawaii, which is both a state or an island. NotMax lives in Hawaii, not on Hawaii.
Gin & Tonic
@Central Planning: As a long-ago ex-LawnGuylander, either form is correct, but that applies just to Long Island, not to any other island. It’s a local thing, just as everyone in the rest of the US will stand in line, say, for the movies, but a New Yorker will stand on line. So while you might think “on” Long Island is grammatically correct, you can’t win this one.
SiubhanDuinne
@pk:
LOL
J R in WV
@Patricia Kayden:
No, never. Their core value is hatred for the “other” that all minorities must forever be. They don’t really even like the minority members of their own party, who appear to be mentally defective to hang with, support and fund people who would cheerfully throw them into a fine Hi-tech furnace.
Mary G
@p.a.: I might be wrong, but I seem to remember that Subaru Diane, Badass Jackal, uses her usual nym at gmail dot com to communicate with Juicers.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
also
a couple of weeks ago it occurred to me that St Colin the Noble has been quiet as retired brass get more and more vocal about trump. I wondered if maybe his health was failing or something. Then a week or so after that I saw that he was giving a speech to some “leadership” group, probably made up of investment bankers, or Chevy dealers. So Colin’s good, just doesn’t want to hurt his income stream, I guess
Roger Moore
@Central Planning:
One always lives on a island. The only way to live in an island is if you’re a burrowing animal. We live in political divisions (cities, counties, states, countries, etc.) but on land forms.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Patricia Kayden:
Republicans figured this out in 2012, did a whole study and then went 180 degrees.
schrodingers_cat
Has Mattis taken a vow of silence? I haven’t heard a peep from him on this cray cray troop deployment.
Central Planning
@FlipYrWhig: @?BillinGlendaleCA: I’m with both of you. I think there can be a “feel” for how grammar has to go.
@Gin & Tonic: I’ll need you to show your work for “on” being grammatically incorrect.
I found this website which has rules and examples for when to use in/on/at: https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/learn-prepositions-in-on-at/3073690.html Islands fall under “on”.
And just to be a pedant, I didn’t actually live IN the island at all, although I could easily argue I didn’t live ON the island the entire time either (like when in a car or house)
p.a.
@Gin & Tonic: @Mary G: tks. Is it siobahn? I’m pretty sure the the last is duinne. Tried A.L. Tuesday; no response.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@TenguPhule:
The National Emergencies Act?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Central Planning:
In that case, you were in a car(or house) on the island. It’s always ON an island.
Gin & Tonic
@Central Planning: I said “on” was grammatically correct, not incorrect. But the local usage of “in” is widely accepted, which is why I said you won’t win.
Gin & Tonic
@p.a.: She’s here, up at #70.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I hope they’re right, that the NCOs and the Lieutenants will tell their troops this
p.a.
@SiubhanDuinne: hi. What’s a good connection for you to get me efg contact info?
Central Planning
@Roger Moore: I like your thought process. However, I would say I live in North America, not on North America, but live on the Earth, not in the Earth.
My kids and I argue things like this all the time. I particularly liked the one where one of them asserted he didn’t have a plan for Saturday. The argument was around whether or not “not having a plan” is actually a plan.
Jeffro
Wow. This piece by Trumpov-ass-kisser Marc Thiessen is quite telling: Relax, People: We Survived Nixon, We’ll Survive Trumpov
Why didn’t they just title it, “But Her Emails!” Or maybe even, “Ok, Ok, I’m Reaching For The Towel”?
Ok, so it starts off “remember how bad Nixon was”?
Oh and also: SCOTUS JUDGES AND TAX CUTS EXCUSE IT ALL!
Also too, just because we keep nominating criminals to the GOP nomination and electing them to the WH, doesn’t mean there isn’t a system to eventually catch them after years of us falling all over ourselves defending them:
But of course, a criminal Repub is still better than a dirty lib:
Big finish!
“War”
No sense of “sorry we foisted this asshole on you, America”. No sense that perhaps a ‘clean’ Dem is a better president for the entire country than a criminal Trumpublican. No sense that perhaps the whole “deficits are bad” thing only applies when a Dem is president, that the SCOTUS blockade was unprecedented, radical, and wrong, etc etc etc. Just – ironically enough from a Reagan-worshipper like Thiessen – “mistakes were made”.
zhena gogolia
@JPL: @jharp:
OMG, when I read the first comment I thought you were talking about Melania. I braced myself for incoming stupid.
cain
@TenguPhule:
Wait till he pulls that shit on the elections. He will say voter fraud and suspend elections
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@zhena gogolia: I suspect in more than one tacky McMansion, some MAGAts are dressing up a bewildered kindergartner in one of mommy’s hastily altered cocktail dresses as she tries to make that cheek-sucking face daddy tells her is the blue steel look for a whataboutist facebook post
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@cain: The President can’t suspend elections. Those are controlled by the states. I don’t think even they can suspend elections. There’s no mechanism as far as I’m aware. Won’t stop him from trying I’m sure.
Steve in the ATL
@Central Planning: FYI there is an excellent chance your kid is going to end up being a lawyer.
I’m sorry to have to break this news to you.
Jay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
As Cheryl pointed out, and the site/org https://couragetoresist.org/do-not-collaborate/ points out,
Troops face a petard issue. If they argue against an illegal order, they might lose their careers, if they go along, they will be thrown under the bus on War Crimes by their superiors, as soon as required.
The MarineTimes helpfully points out, that contrary to the Puke Funnel in Chief’s violent fantasies, there isn’t much the US Military will be doing as the “tip of the spear”, except cleaning out Border Patrol stables and filling out paperwork.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/31/federal-law-limits-what-us-troops-deployed-at-the-border-can-do/
Matt McIrvin
@cain: He can say it all he wants. He’s the commander-in-chief of the military, and he has extremely broad legal power over immigration enforcement; but elections are run by state governments. He’s not suspending any election unless the state government plays along (and even then it’d be blatantly unconstitutional, of course).
Honus
@?BillinGlendaleCA: he might live in Hawaii, but he lives on Hawaii, Oahu, or Maui.
Jay
@Matt McIrvin:
Actually, Immigration is a Senate function. Too bad it’s a ReThug/Nazi Senate for now.
Matt McIrvin
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: When a few bad apples unaccountably shoot the refugees, I’m sure they’ll be punished severely in the ensuing shitstorm while we’re assured they weren’t ordered to do it.
r€nato
BREAKING NEWS: PROJECT VERITAS RECORDS STING VIDEO OF DEMOCRATS PLOTTING TO TAKE POWER NEXT JANUARY
Gwangung
@Matt McIrvin: Is blatant unconstitutionality going to stop him?
Central Planning
@Steve in the ATL: I generally like the lawyers here and their comments, so that’s OK with me. At this point, he won’t be a lawyer – he loves being a software engineer.
One of the best classes I took in college was “Legal Problems in Publishing” which was described as “A comprehensive review of United States Supreme Court decisions as they relate to the unique rights granted to the graphic arts industry. Cases cover Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution and the First and other amendments thereto.”
I remember the professor went over the importance of the key cases and how they laid the groundwork for other decisions, and we had to write pages and pages about them for the tests. I think we had a good 3″ binder full of court cases we discussed over 10 weeks. If I were ever to be a lawyer, I would be one that deals with First Amendment issues.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne:
Are you kidding? It’s horrible for our image as effete sellouts who only say liberal things to fleece the rubes.
Ken
@Mnemosyne: My tribble theory is that Klingons are violently allergic to them, which is why between TOS and the movies they developed those forehead blisters.
Amir Khalid
@Steve in the ATL:
Is that because there are not necessarily only two parties to a phone call?
Major Major Major Major
@Central Planning:
It’s English, not Latin or whatever. Go nuts.
Aleta
@?BillinGlendaleCA: The funny thing is, we say ‘I’m in Manhattan’ at the same time as we say ‘she’s out on Long Island.’ As though Manhattan is the center and all other islands require travel?
Matt McIrvin
@Gwangung: The point is, Trump doesn’t have any mechanism to suspend elections, because he doesn’t run the elections. He’s not the boss of the people involved. People like Brian Kemp and Kris Kobach might do it for him, of course, but then they have to answer to people in their own states, and state court systems that Trump didn’t appoint.
TenguPhule
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
And an island. In the state.
Gelfling 545
@Central Planning: But you would say you live on the continent of North America, not in it, I presume.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat:
He is actively avoiding the media. The Pentagon’s own media spokespeople are avoiding the media.
There are actors playing military folks who have held more press conferences for the Pentagon this year then the Pentagon’s own official spokesperson.
Major Major Major Major
@Gwangung: Trump Claims He Can Overrule Constitution With Executive Order Because Of Little-Known ‘No One Will Stop Me’ Loophole, via the onion
cain
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
He will.try to poison the well and make everything illegitimate and the TFNYT will aid and abet.
TenguPhule
@cain:
I’m afraid Trump is reaching the point of not caring about elections, because he really expects nobody to stop him.
And to be fair, all the legal means require Republican cooperation.
Steve in the ATL
@Amir Khalid: you are correct, sir!
cain
@Matt McIrvin:
Every contested red state could play along and not seat the winner.
Amir Khalid
@FlipYrWhig:
One lives in a place, one lives on an island. Long Island is both a place and an island. Which preposition you use to say you live there depends on context: are you emphasising the place (Long Island, rather than e.g. Syracuse) or the island (Long Island, rather than the mainland)?
Steve in the ATL
Holy shit, people—we need to organize an intervention for @Central Planning STAT!
Jay
@cain:
They could try.
cain
@TenguPhule:
If they think they could seat their guy they would we are talking about states who are willing to have a SOS run for governor without stepping out of the role.
cain
@Jay:
Hey why not . What is there to lose ?
Chyron HR
@cain:
“B-b-but what if every Republican secretary of state sets up giant paper shredders at the polling places to destroy Democratic voters? Not votes, voters?”
Jesus Christ, whatever happens or doesn’t happen we’ll know in five days, and there’s nothing we can do about it in the meantime, so there’s no point getting yourself worked up about doomsday scenarios.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@cain:
Well, there could be a shooting civil war, for starters, if they tried that shit. I don’t think the GOP is that far gone.
J R in WV
@Central Planning:
I would agree because North America is an artificial human boundary, like the city limits of West Tango, where in everyone resident in West Tango is said to live.
But the earth is a natural object not an artificial human designation, so you would lilve on the earth, just as you would live on an island, but in Ohio.
Jay
@cain:
Their lives.
CSA didn’t end well.
magurakurin
@Central Planning: I would say that it is more a question of whether or not the speaker is thinking of Long Island as a geographical entity or a place. Long Island seems to me that it could be considered both. To me, both sound grammatical because to me Long Island is more than just an island, it is a place.
In comparison, if someone said, “I have a house in Fire Island,” it sounds a bit odd to me, “I have a house on Fire Island,” seems more natural, because I tend to think of Fire Island primarily as an island and not a place. Grammatical is as grammatical does. There are almost certainly people who would think differently about Fire Island. I grew up spending summers in South Jersey, people definitely say, “The got a house in Long Beach Island,” as well as “on” because people think of Long Beach Island as both a place and an island. In my opinion the choice of the preposition indicates what the speaker thinks of the noun in this case.
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
@cain:
That will only work if we buy the bullshit. If we don’t, it won’t.
Jay
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Yup, double yup.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Steve in the ATL: My father told me I could be anything I wanted that was honorable, except a musician. Therefore the study of the Law was excluded.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Honus: That was my point.
Central Planning
@Steve in the ATL: “Hey! Some of my best friends are lawyers!”
@J R in WV: @magurakurin: You and everyone else have been bringing up good points.
I suppose I might have to call this a draw, which is wholly unsatisfying :)
magurakurin
@J R in WV: Unless the Galaxy is well populated and interstellar travel is common place, making the Earth, or “Terra,” something people think of as a place.
From the Guardians of the Galaxy
Jay
@magurakurin:
Kevin Bacon’s been “in Terra’d”?
magurakurin
@Central Planning: A draw is a win. Grammar indicates meaning. It isn’t just syntactic rules like in computer code. Certainly, some constructions are completely ungrammatical and in that case meaning is not communicated. But it this case, even when “in” or “on” feels ungrammatical to the listener, I think that the essential meaning is still communicated. The sentence “He has a house to Long Island,” would be an example where the meaning is not communicated. I would have a hard time understanding that outside of any other context.
magurakurin
@Jay: Very witty Wilde, very witty.
GregB
The entire Trump enterprise is wobbling like an off balance wash load. Mueller is closing in on the bottom feeders like Stone and has already rolled up various grifters, traitors and knaves. Trump is drifting further into madness and he is exposing himself more and more.
The army of trolls at the sewer level are starting to self immolate, from the James O’Keefe’s to the Candace Owens to the inept Jacob Wohl and Jack Open Fly Burkman. They are all dousing themselves and lighting matches.
Now this last desperate dash into overt racism and boasts of war crimes to come.
The mask is almost off. The collapse is at hand. Hold steady.
magurakurin
@GregB:
and the rumor is that Mueller has already handed down a subpoena to the president. In any event, he is prohibited from announcing anything at the moment…after next Tuesday, I’m guessing it is Indictment City.
Don Jr. should be afraid, very afraid.
Hob
@pk: The Guardian’s US coverage is uneven to put it mildly. For straight news, they’re good… but when it comes to features/op-eds/think-pieces, they run so much pointless bullshit of so many different kinds that I’m not sure there is actually an editor. There’s lots of Bernie-woulda-won stuff, and lots of Democrats-just-don’t-understand, and lots of pieces where it’s unclear why we should be interested in the author’s opinion since they don’t seem to know anything about anything. I sometimes think the Guardian just asks each person that they publish to name any other person they happen to know, and then they publish that person next.
There are also the non-country-specific thinkpieces where the author clearly thinks a newspaper is a cross between a debate society and a performance art venue. My favorite was the one where someone wanted to convince people that there’s no such thing as love.
James E Powell
@Aleta:
I thought this was so well-established as to go without saying.
Redshift
@Central Planning: I can see that confusion could result from the fact that Long Island is both a geographical feature and a jurisdiction, but I think “in” only applies if the boundary is completely artificial, which the boundary of an island isn’t. My evidence is:
1. You couldn’t say you live “outside of Long Island,” so “in” doesn’t make sense.
2. “I live in Long Island” sounds weird to me.
QED
magurakurin
@Redshift:
But there are definitely a lot of people who use that construction. It isn’t really a right or wrong thing, in my opinion.
“I live in Long Island.”
seaboogie
Project Veritas tries to get one over on a candidate who is ex-CIA. Ja Wold tries to scam Mueller. What a bunch of numpties!
JoeyJoeJoe
LIer here. I’ve never heard anything but on LI , from people from Long Island anyway
Mary
@Central Planning:
Speaking as a lawyer, this is my advice to pretty much everyone – https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-UEqJ85KE
Spinoza Is My Co-Pilot
@Mary G:
Spent most of my “campaign volunteer time and $$” this cycle for Sinema. We just heard about this (had been rumored) and officially the campaign’s pleased and happy to get the last-minute support. Unofficially, it’s more than a bit too little/too late. As charon put it sarcastically at comment 47 (“very timely”) most votes here in AZ have already been cast via mail-in ballot. Fucking leftist 3rd party purity ponies. No, they’re not all Jill Stein, but that’s mostly a matter of degree.
Chetan Murthy
@jharp: The thing I loved so much about the Obamas, is that they were so good at making things about -others-, not about themselves. Even in this example, you see it: it was about the little boy, and what he was feeling, not about what Obama was feeling. Contrasts so … with Shitlord and his letting Fallon [or that rally attendee] ruffle his hair to see that it was real.
Ugh. Yes, I miss them so, too. Ugh.
Matt McIrvin
@Central Planning: I used to live in the Earth, but I moved out of that apartment.
frosty
@Central Planning:
Does this have anything to do with standing in line (correct) or standing on line (NY and incorrect)? And I have standing — My father’s family settled in Long Island.
jl
O’Keefe has to up his game if he wants to compete for free media with Burkman and Wohl.
This is pretty weak and boring BS to be peddling.
but B and W may be in the clink soon, so might not make any difference. But still, will never be the same.
Matt McIrvin
@Jay: Immigration law is set by Congress and enforced by the executive branch, like every other kind of law, but there’s a doctrine of “plenary power” that makes the judicial branch traditionally reluctant to regulate it in any way (the idea being that it would be tantamount to meddling in foreign policy/national sovereignty, which are the other branches’ preserve).
Of course, this means that Congress/Trump have an opportunity to go completely apeshit on immigrants, human rights be damned, and they’ve taken up the challenge.
Chetan Murthy
@JPL: Sadly, they basically did a 10-second shout-out to Parker and Michelle Obama. Oh man, I’d so have loved an interview with Parker again. Sigh. But here’s a vid, at the point where they spend the (10sec) time on her costume.
https://youtu.be/cQYa9335Mjo?t=1024
barbequebob
@Central Planning:
In my experience, I have heard the word “on” used in reference to actual physical islands, i.e. land surrounded by water, ” I live on an island”, I live on Fire Island”
My experience with the use of “in” is that it is used to describe situations where a portion of a landscape is homogeneous and contrasts with the landscape that surrounds it, For example, “I live in an island of agriculture within a sea of urban blight”. In this usage the island in question is not one physically defined by water and land form, but by land use.
FWIW, my frame of reference on this stems from my background in landscape ecology
NotMax
@Central Planning
You call that living?
:)
Seriously though, you are correct.
Example 1: Long Beach is a city in Nassau County, on Long Island.
Example 2: President Obama spent some of his vacations on Martha’s Vineyard.
@Aleta
Manhattan is common shorthand* for saying “the (hub/nexus of the) city,” which is on Manhattan Island and in New York County.
*Likely deriving from “I took the subway into Manhattan.”
PJ
@Central Planning: I have never heard a native English speaker say “in Long Island.” And I can’t think of any instance where someone refers to something “in ____ Island”.
magurakurin
@JoeyJoeJoe: Perhaps it is evolving into something of a shibboleth like how one pronounces “Worcester” in Boston or “Willamette,” or “Couch St.” in Portland.
sukabi
@jl: it’s almost like they’re having a contest to see which group can be the stupidest.
Librarian
@NotMax: Another thing is that while Brooklyn and Queens are geographically part of Long Island, psychologically they aren’t. To New Yorkers, Long Island begins at the Queens-Nassau line.
Chetan Murthy
@magurakurin: I can’t speak to the last two, but “Worcester” is pronounced “Wooster”, and always has been, no? I was told by a guy with an English accent[1] (heh, he was -withering- about people with “RP” (== “received pronunciation”)) that there’s no “h”, so like “Liecester” and unlike “Chichester”.
In short, nothing to do with local shibboleths, according to him.
[1] I jest about his English accent. He was born in Bartlesville, OK, but his family was English, and he spent most of his childhood in England.
NotMax
@Librarian
Absitively posilutely.
Differentiating New York City from (the rest of) Long Island. At least since 1898, when Brooklyn ceased being a separate city and was incorporated into NYC.
NotMax
@NotMax
An example of how what “Long Island” refers to has changed over time is seen in the Revolutionary War, Washington ending up retreating from Brooklyn to Manhattan usually (as in nearly always) referred to as the Battle of Long Island.
magurakurin
@Chetan Murthy: Nobody where I grew up called this place “wooster.”
Worcester, Pennsylvania
Librarian
@NotMax: Yes, and historians have started to call it the Battle of Brooklyn, to avoid confusion.
NotMax
@Librarian
Sigh. Next thing you know, they’ll refer to the WW2 Siege of Volgograd.
opiejeanne
@dmsilev: I haven’t read the entire thread yet so please forgive me, but I thought this happened a couple of weeks ago. I’ll swear I read this story or one extremely to it within the past six weeks. Fake volunteer working in the campaign office gets booted out pretty quickly because she asks questions that are odd for an actual Democrat to be asking, and is booted off the property.
The big scandalous discovery was that the Democratic candidate WAS A DEMOCRAT!!!
I thought that previous one was an O’Keefe project too. Did he do this twice recently?
gogiggs
So this guy tries, again and again to entrap Democrats, always fails, and then just edits things to make it look like he didn’t fail, and is somehow still a thing? I mean, his plans are barely worthy of a bad porn and several times the barely worthy of the first, rejected draft of a bad porn, and yet he is still somehow a thing and I am still hearing about him.
He makes me think about going into business as a right-wing scammer, because it feels like the money might be good, the competence bar is very, very low and you can do it poorly enough to sabotage the side you’re supposedly on, without being caught.
But then I remember that I’m not evil and this POS killed ACORN and I’m shocked back to reality in two different ways,
Sloane Ranger
@Chetan Murthy: Born and brought up in England and with 80% British DNA (according to Ancestry) and can confirm that Wooster is how I and everyone I know pronounce Worcester.
polyorchnid octopunch
@Mary: That was amazing.