Even if everyone who writes for this blog took up chronicling each outrageous lie and disgraceful comment uttered by Donald Trump as a full-time job, we’d miss things. According the The Post’s fact-checking team, Trump is closing in on 6,500 lies since taking office. And those are just the lies he’s told in public.
It’s a grim topic, how terrible the POTUS is. It’s cringe-inducing and crazy-making. But some comments are so outrageous that they should be noted, even if noting them is like pointing out a lump of coal in Newcastle. Here’s one:
Trump on mail bomb campaign and Pittsburgh massacre: "We did have two maniacs stop a momentum that was incredible." pic.twitter.com/ffn4C5jklW
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 2, 2018
Cole has a tweet pinned on his Twitter account:
Just imagine if Democrats were doing any of this shit. Any of it.
— Cake or Death (@Johngcole) January 30, 2018
Yeah, what he said. Imagine for just one second that President Obama, Hillary Clinton or literally any other president or prominent official of either party had said something that vile — had whined that a neo-Nazi’s mass murder spree and a lunatic supporter’s failed bombing campaign interrupted his party’s political momentum.
Even as the words left Trump’s asshole of a mouth, he must’ve realized on some level how awful it sounded because he hastily added a covering lie: “We don’t care about momentum, but…” Too little, too late. After visiting the site of the massacre, Trump tweeted not about the lives lost or the grief of those left behind but instead about how respectfully he and the Third Lady were treated.
We knew Trump was a horrible person. Nothing that underscores his awfulness is really surprising or newsworthy. But some things are so indecent that they deserve attention anyway, and this incident is one of those things, IMO.
It’s also noteworthy that the inspiration for the atrocity at the synagogue and the attempted bombings was the lies Trump peddles about immigrants and Democrats, and that he has continued to utter those lies nonstop, despite the horrendous consequences. Because he thinks it helps his cause. Nothing else matters to the vile shit-stain except that.
You know that. I know that. But sometimes it needs to be said anyway.
he is just the worst.
Lately, my description has been ‘essence of asshole’.
Anytime I see something like this now it automatically transforms into Trump speech. “The Caravan is coming to kill you, and you understand that.”
Here’s some good news. The emoluments lawsuit can proceed!
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Corner Stone: Every time he says that, I want to reach through my screen and slap him.
He’s an open book. We cringe and sob. His addicted to hate and bedlam base are euphoric.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Anything he says about the caravan or the verbal tic he has of confirming that everyone already agrees with him? You could say both and I would understand that.
That so many of our fellow Americans, our ‘friends’, family, co workers actually support this, delight in this, celebrate the degradation of our democracy, our Constitution, the very ideal of America as a force for good in the world is what breaks my heart.
Everything’s always about Trump, and yes it’s shocking to see that from a President after a massacre caused in large part by his own lies and conspiracy theories on immigration.
Pittsburgh has actually had prior mass shootings that could be classified as hate crimes. Women were targeted at a fitness center, with many wounded and four dead. Another shooter aimed his wrath at “foreigners” and “immigrants,” shooting seven and killing four, including a Jewish woman living next door to his parents, who were themselves immigrants.
What’s so galling about the Tree of Life shooting is that the shooter is acting on the same obsession that is being stoked every day by the President of the United States i.e., that we are being invaded by a genocidal mob of migrants. Whether Trump is personally anti-Semitic, he is spouting fears and conspiracy theories that have long been used by anti-Semites to demonize Jews.
And yes, I bet they are pissed six ways to Sunday that someone acted on those fears in ways that displaced Trump’s narrative.
This weekend is going to be lit. Repubs are going to say anything and do almost anything to try to shake up the election.
Also think this tweet from Nate Silver is a reason why.
Seems like there are a lot of close races that could swing R with a little fearmongering, voter suppression and help from Putin.
I can’t believe that nobody seems to be shocked anymore. Every time he utters another lie or says something so horrible that we actually recoil at it, it should be a headline. He should be held accountable, made to own it. But he never has to. Because it’s the next thing and the next horrible thing and we can’t keep track.
Obama had to be so careful not to be too angry, Hillary was reminded over and over about “deplorables”, decent people in politics were driven out by words they had used. But Trump has a free pass, always has. He’s a liar, racist, misogynist…nobody cares.
We have to win the midterms. We have to make our Congresspeople and our Senators understand that we are fed up with Trump and his complicit party. And as soon as we can.
I often fantasize about the day he either resigns, is impeached, or dies in office. My plan is to buy a large American flag and go dance around in front of Newscorp HQ up on 6th Ave. I imagine I won’t be the only one celebrating there. I would hope to make it into a segment on Fox & Friends about “leftist incivility”.
@bluehill: But just the opposite could be true too. The good news and the bad news is that the uncertainty will soon be resolved.
EauOaf de toiletteterlet.
Sadly, 40% of the country, and apparently close to 70% of non-college graduate white men think he is the perfect instrument to represent their interests and passions. Which says something sad but our country (as Roy Edroso twits in response to Jennifer Rubin’s twit that this election is for the “soul of the country,” – “Then, we are fucked”). This country is pretty good about “forgetting” and wants Trump calls forth goes very deep into this country’s DNA. See https://twitter.com/cjcmichel/status/1058185720794353664
I will start following Casey Micheal now that I have found him.
Here’s a nice sunset to offset the orange menace.
(It’s orange, but in a good way.)
@donnah: The NYTimes has no shame, and if the democrats win control over the house, MSM will blame them for the debt.
Obama is on CNN
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Corner Stone: Both, but I meant the thing about how everyone already agrees with him and it’s just obvious.
@Barbara: I am not sure that Trump or many around understood ahead of time that such a shooting and bombing would actually stop their momentum. They aren’t faking their racism. This is who they are. They barely remember to keep some direct deniability.
Well, counting Trump, at least 3 maniacs.
But some folks still think we can and should still negotiate with this Nazi.
No, we can’t. We really really can’t. Compromise is fucking dead. Resistance is all the remains.
The Toronto Star also catalogs Trump’s lies, and recently included a graph that demonstrates how the number of lies he tells has escalated over time. The Velocity of his Mendacity is increasing so fast that soon you will need a supercomputer to keep up with it.
One of his most outrageous howlers:
in fact: The Veterans Choice health program was created in 2014 under Obama. The law Trump signed merely modified the program.
This is doubly despicable. Half the time Trump tries to erase Obama’s legacy by dismantling it. The rest of the time, Trump tries to erase Obama’s legacy by taking credit for it.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Nice! Dig that fisheye!
I’m sure there’s still room in there for at least half a dozen more.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@JPL: Look here upon th’s picture, and on this,
The counterfeit presentment of two [presidents].
See what a grace was seated on this brow;
Hyperion’s curls; the front of Jove himself;
An eye like Mars, to threaten and command;
A station like the herald Mercury
New lighted on a heaven-kissing hill:
A combination and a form indeed
Where every god did seem to set his seal
To give the world assurance of a man.
This was your [president]. Look you now what follows.
…, like a mildew’d ear
…Have you eyes?
@JPL: Trump is rubber and that reporter is glue.
Today trump said to reporters, “You are creating violence by your questions”.
He’s an ignorant and an idiot but he knows exactly what he is doing ramping up the rage and racism in maga base.
Yes, this. Baumhammer wasn’t acting out a fantasy ginned up by our president. MRA LA Fitness killer was just your average MRA type asshole who hated women and, again, not hyped up by talk from a politician. One of the most infuriating things the Shitgibbon said last night was how he’s the one who knows what women want, which is, apparently, security against poor, displaced women and children fleeing violence and crushing poverty. Fucker has no clue what women want. No. Fucking. Clue.
I’m just glad I’m going to miss any Friday evening news dumps tonight. Seeing the 5:45 show of “Bohemian Rhapsody” and then dinner with my sister. I’m going to wallow in the gloriousness of Freddie Mercury and forget this asshole even exists for a couple hours.
@Brachiator: And there’s the claim that Republicans want to protect people with pre-existing conditions and Democrats are against that. Trump will say anything. Anything.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Old Bill could turn a phrase.
Two years of screaming that he’s a chicken dressed up as a Nazi and all the fine people still assure us that Mr. Donald “Boo” Trump is really just a fine misunderstood individual.
@JPL: He’s been delivering a stemwinder in FL. Not using Trump’s name (that I heard) but directly calling out all the lies and antics.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: @germy: Mediate had a clip of Fox and Friends talking about the other cable channels, and wondering why they didn’t just report what trump wanted. Then they would not be called enemy of the people.
“Not the puppet not the puppet you’re the puppet!”
@Corner Stone: Is he all finished in GA, then, or did I mix that up?
@Corner Stone: I turned in late, but will try to catch his comments in Atlanta.
So now trump is saying he didn’t say shoot.. wtf
@germy: Second generation Fox viewers. Reposting this thread from this morning.
@sherparick: I read some survey evidence that what put Trump over the top in 2016 was white male fundamentalist evangelicals. Once you take that out, Trump does not even do that well with non-college white men. Unless their minds are warped by the bizarre (and by traditional mainstream Christian standard, arguably heretical) theological fantasies, even white men without college degrees had a sense that Trump was peddling BS.
After taking out fundamentalist Christians lower educated white men still prefer Trump more than any other group, but he is not winning among them by huge margins.
I think a mistake, electorally, to think that there huge support for Trump in any demographic group, apart from a very special ideologically reactionary and religious group that really goes for his lies. Especially in a 50 percent plus one vote system where peeling off even a few percentage points in support for the crazy and bad can make all the difference.
I’ll have to go see if I can find the article. So, no link for right now.
With some violence at the polls damn near assured, I’d say we’d be lucky with only 6 other events. Hell, that could be in Georgia alone after today.
@laura: It is because they really, really, really love white supremacy to their very bones. Most of them will tolerate non-whites, as long as the non-whites accept that they are second class citizens and junior partners in the “American Dream.” (Also, like the Irish, Italians, Greeks, and other former “non”white groups are incorporated into the Borg after a couple of generations, maintaining White demographic dominance. And becoming “White” is something that creates a common interest in maintaining the racial hierarchy that has ruled American life for near 400 years, something that is now happening with 2d and 3d generation Hispanics (especially those with more European and less Indian and African features), which explains why Trump can get 30to 35% of the Hispanic vote – only Blacks and apparently Jews never completely move out from the “Other” label.) It is this “toleration,” despite believing and not questioning the hundreds of negative and false racial tropes and stereotypes floating around in their heads, that is behind their assertions that they are not “racists” and their resentment at challenges to that comfortable belief which explains the fury at Black NFL players kneeling about unarmed blacks being shot by police. Trump embodies this belief and has served this interest.
A Ghost To Most
Shit Hitler is a symptom, not the disease.
Lots of cheering. A much different kind of cheering than at fathead rallies. The cheers for Obama just sounded like excited, hopeful people. The crowd noise at the fathead’s rallies have always really bothered right me from the beginning, makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
@MattF: Yeah, that’s why I think repubs are going all out to rally the racists to the polls. If 2016 was about populism tinged with racism, 2018 is all about race.
@A Ghost To Most:
The cure for the disease involves wiping out the source of the infection.
@Ian G.: Speaking of Fox & Fiends, I don’t think we covered this here (so many outrages, so little time), but what a perfect demonstration of their role as regime propaganda organ:
If Ainsley Earhardt were a marriage counselor, she’d tell an abused wife to just stop mouthing off to her husband, burning his dinner, etc., and he wouldn’t have to beat her.
Well the one confirmed asshole trumper that I know certainly falls into the lower educated white men category although I’d bet he’s anything but an evangelical. Of course he has two illegitimate children and is an ex meth addict…….. so there’s no telling.
Reminds me of the Sean Spicey SNL skit where Melissa McCarthy starts yelling, “Your words! They’re your words and when I say them I’m just quoting you!”
Not even the Washington Post can bring themselves to outright state that Republicans are lying liars who lie.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Thank you. That is gorgeous and it improves the day to have seen it.
@bluehill: Fear mongering has to marinate. It’s Friday, itself a slow news day, and so many people just zone out altogether over the weekend. I am not saying Republicans couldn’t retain the House, but I doubt it will be the result of something Donald Trump says between now and Tuesday.
@A Ghost To Most: True, but he’s the symptom that can kill the patient all by itself, regardless of the disease’s advances on other fronts. Like, oh, say, organ failure, he’s the symptom that must be addressed before there’s a chance of saving the patient in a long-term sense.
I’m so old I remember when the mainstream media was outraged over President Obama rejecting FOX news as a legitimate media outlet.
A Ghost To Most
He’s not the source; he’s a opportunistic parasitic infection taking advantage of a weakened host. If he died tomorrow, the 27% would still be there.
@germy: Yeah, I don’t think it’s amusing at all. I think it is predatory except that the would be predators in this case are losers.
@Betty Cracker: I can’t wait until they blame the reporter that asked the question today how he feels about creating the violence that occurred in Pittsburgh.
@Betty Cracker: Worse than that, Trump is the kind of abusive person who would beat you anyway, if that is what he needs to do in order to get through the next few minutes. Even if you acted submissively and took, if beating you was what Trump needed, he would just say that ‘you didn’t do it right’ whatever you did, and use that as an excuse.
Trump is a ghastly person. Really among the worst kind of people you can deal with in life. Even among abusive people he is extra strength bad news.
Also, the clip shows what a sick joke Fox and Friends is. I saw a clip where the two guy doofuses peeped out a mild half-baked murmur against Trump calling the press the enemy of the people, and now they had to walk even that back. Pathetic.
Obama just gave a moving speech which ended with a statement of our values and of the long arc of history and why we need to vote and to be involved in the political process if we want our voices to be heard and our government to reflect our principles. It was a great antidote to the poison coming from Pennsylvania Avenue. If you want a reminder of our better angels, listen to the speech online.
ETA: It was a campaign speech for Gillum, Nelson and the whole Democratic slate in Florida.
She sounds nice…….
Is there anyone left in the republican party that isn’t an out and out racist?
So we need a political organs transplant? Great, can we borrow Canada’s for a little while?
Having give modestly to some BJ Funds, and not choosing one or two candidates, I am now deleting emails from a somewhat insane onslaught of truly worthy candidates begging for dough. Not even reading them.
First, I felt cruel. Now, I am just reminding myself I have exceeded my donation budget. And then some. And can’t do it.
Thinking of it as “Boundary Therapy”. Every deletion is a reminder you can’t take care of everyone. And you have to take care of yourself.
This has been another edition of SATSQ.
@chris: I’ll have to catch it later. Can’t look at Twitter on the work computer. But that sounds like something else that needs to be contended with. Ugh.
Rise of the Armed Left
Threats from the right inspire a new left-wing gun culture.
@A Ghost To Most:
Didn’t mean to suggest that he was. We have 40 million dangerous deplorables that rightfully belong in forced labor camps at best.
A Ghost To Most
@Betty Cracker: That is too true. Ewing’s Sarcoma killed a lot of HIV+ folks before AIDS could kill them.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Betty Cracker: to wit:
he really does give them permission to let the racist bullshit flag fly, though Blackburn probably would have gotten here if Charlie Baker or Eisenhowere were in the White House.
Cruz just looks stupid and desperate. I hope that’s the sign of some internal bleeding in the internal polls
@Ruckus: To take that question seriously about candidates I’m familiar with– I’d say that Larry Hogan, the R candidate for governor in MD, is not racist. I’m not voting for him (I’m a Democrat, d’oh) but Hogan is probably going to win.
Ironically, from the description of the actual groups, they’re like social awareness and charity groups that also happen to own guns. Last Action Heroes are strictly discouraged from joining and they vet their members carefully.
@JPL: it doesn’t take too much imagination, does it, to understand the kind of people who become quislings.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
How is this any different from how he normally looks?
Personally, I’d describe my responses as resignedly gobsmacked. Knowing that reacting to his latest verbal atrocity with more than my usual “just shut the fuck up, you fucking imbecile!” isn’t likely to accomplish much in the short term. And trying to keep my blood pressure and stress levels down to a manageable level.
First priority is obviously to get as many Democrats into office this cycle as possible. Then let them drive the levers of power to hold the moron and his enablers accountable.
Next priority will be to ensure he is removed from office no later than 2020. There shall be no second political act for the Shitgibbon.
He is the symptom, writ large, of the entire republican party.
Manifest destiny, that’s what we are seeing, at breakneck speed, the culmination of hundreds of years of white men’s power to be assholes to everyone else, because they think their shit doesn’t stink. Well it does.
It’s also a Generation of Online asshats, where saying the quiet parts louder and louder in their hate enclaves online, gets them more and more “likes” and “upvotes”.
Torching Democracy while wearing a mask online,
Did the latest o’keefe ratf*ck attempt at Beto gain any traction? the hidden video bullshit?
My understanding is he is now on to GA to stump for Stacey Abrams. Obama hit all the familiar themes we’ve seen recently but, as usual, it was delivered with some oomph and immediacy. ISTM like he’s been saving his batteries for this final push to voters.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m not quite ready to call stupid and racist ads a sign of desperation as opposed to the default setting for Republicans late in any campaign. The dog whistle for it is “coming home.”
Theranos investor and “good” general Mattis is hiding in the basement away from the media. Much bravery, such standing up to tyranny, wow.
@Ruckus: I’m sure you know one. Most of the Trump supporters I know are lower educated white people who in addition to lack of a good education, have some personality issues that have held them back in life, that they can’t face or correct.
But, I think absolutely critical to win elections. I think there is a difference between attribution of where most of Trumps support comes from (yes, lower educated white men), and thinking through where you can get a few extra votes, which in a 50 percent plus one vote, winner take all system, that can make 100 percent of the difference in who is representing you in Congress.
So, the hard difficult to sway group seems to specifically be white male fundamentalists. Other lower educated white men are a good target for various arguments to get out and vote against the GOP, and in their own interests. You probably will get none of the white male evangelical voters no matter what you do. Others, good chance you’ll get 10 or 15 percent from an honest and good argument that doesn’t cater to racist ‘white’ or ‘Southern’ heritage crap or goofy superstitious toxic religious nonsense. If that gets you a few votes that puts you over the top, you win.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: There are Middle Easterners — homicidal ISIS types — infiltrating a caravan of pedestrian migrants who are being funded by George Soros. I mean, don’t you think George Soros would at least send a few air conditioned buses?
“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.”
@Corner Stone: I just wish someone, in the media or the military, would just call Trump out for what he is with this caravan shit: a pants-pissing coward, just trying to scare other pants-pissing cowards. It doesn’t look “tough”. It doesn’t look “manly”. It doesn’t look like Making America Great Again. It looks pathetic beyond words.
Just roll over and show your belly. Once you submit totally to him, it’s all easy peasy.
Fucking servile jackholes.
@schrodingers_cat: I think we can skip the formalities and just call Mattis a Nazi enabler from now on.
@TenguPhule: I was going to post ‘You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all the time’ and cite Lincoln. But I read up on it and it turns out he probably never said that. It was a 19th century advertising slogan.
But, whatever, it is true, and also a good saying to remember now.
Military is not allowed to. Media is incapable of doing so because Trump gets them clicks and eyeballs.
He’s not racist. OK…..
He belongs to the republican party. The party that has three, intertwined doctrines. Racism, evangelicalism, wealth of themselves at the cost of who gives a shit. He either believes their doctrines or he’s lying about his political beliefs. Those are his choices as a politician running for office.
@Miss Bianca: Land of the perpetually frightened and home of the scared. (T’s MAGA land)
@MattF: Charlie Baker too in MA. I voted for Jay Gonzales but he is way behind in the polls.
@TenguPhule: I guess Mattis doesn’t want to be called a lickspittle. His problem now is that he’s faced with a puddle of spittle and an order to lick it.
/Yes, I know its dated and possibly offensive, but the other version involves banging sheep.
Most people react that way when they hear a feral animal snarling.
Finally, Nazi Times is critical of a president, unfortunately he is not currently in office, any guesses who I am talking about
@bemused: He has to pay people on Craigslist to fill a school gym. He is not that popular, its a mirage created by media minions.
(I keed. They lurved them some George the Second!)
Clinton. Because Willy must be freed.
@Barbara: Hope you’re right. I think repubs have been dousing their base in gas for a while and now are looking for the spark to ignite them.
@bluehill: And I am sure Putin appreciates your help towards that effort, comrade.
@TenguPhule: You get full points!
So instead of executions at the border, Trump has moderated his stance for refugees to Death by Concentration Camp.
Your words in the post.
It always needs to be said. I think part of the reason we got here in the first place was that often the bad parts haven’t been talked about, out loud. Part of that is the press, most of them are on the side being talked about so they aren’t going to do it or they are in it for the horse race, the he said – she said. A point would be to think about how divorce used to be, almost always the woman had to hire a lawyer/PI to find dirt on the guy to be able to walk away with any dignity, which of course there was none. The republican party is in divorce court, lying about all the one night stands, the secret bank accounts, etc. And being shown exactly who and what they are. It is crap but it has to be said out loud. Otherwise it never changes, it never gets any better.
@TenguPhule: “Ye fuck one goat…” is the version of that joke I’ve heard…
@A Ghost To Most: They’ve always been there, but the problem is bigger than them, a bigger crisis in values that allows sociopathic charlatans like Trump to flourish because morality devolves to power (winning). Hermann Broch’s The Sleepwalkers touches on this in exploring the lead up to the horrific violence in 20th century Europe. Ironically, perhaps the thing that has prevented the kind of violent nationalist cycles that plagued Europe from happening in the US was our relatively high level of immigration. Immigrants have periodically refreshed our ideas of what this country is supposed to be about.
@schrodingers_cat: Where the everloving fuck are you seeing ratfucking in the statement about base republicans being marinated in bullshit and being primed to respond when their leaders yank their chains? Seriously, this “Comrade Putinski” horseshit anytime someone says something you dislike (and not just you, it’s way too fucking pervasive here at times) needs to stop.
I don’t think that this is the case, nor is it suggested by most of the analysis I’ve seen. Most recently (and hidden behind a pay wall), the Wall St Journal suggested an interesting dynamic shift, with college educated white women diverging sharply from non-educated white men, with white male support for Trump intensifying.
“To understand how American voters are being driven apart, look no further than two powerful demographic forces: gender and education.
Once, the political outlooks of white men without a college degree and white women with one were similar. In recent years, the groups, which represent about 40% of voters, have moved sharply apart. Analysis of the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey shows the division to be at its widest since the poll began measuring it in 1994.
An NBC news site finds a similar development in these numbers:
These results are not consistently cross-indexed for gender/race/religion. You also see some differences when you compare single young white women with older married white women. But white men, no matter what, are hotter for Trump.
And of course, it is not simply the case that white women are the driving force for the Democrats. Black women everywhere in America come out in strong numbers for the Democrats. Remember Roy More and the Alabama election?
@Betty Cracker: The judges would also have accepted “pig”.
if we start to see the rejection of Trumpian politics on Tuesday, I do hope that the Dems will remember to employ the same rules of media access, no ass kissing, no story…. after all, access to sources is what is important, not truth telling. I’m ready for the political whiplash that will take place at the NYT if the Dems do take back the House and Senate, I’m sure that we’ll all be treated to in-depth analysis to policy once more that will be even-handed and well researched and caters to the nuance of how each policy plank could spell doom for every potential political misstep.
@schrodingers_cat: Spasibo, tovarisch
Would it be irresponisble to speculate that Brett is going to be drunk off his ass his entire time at the bench and therefore not presentable in public, ever?
I’m amazed you got through that with a straight face.
@Gravenstone: The person with this handle has been predicting Ds losses in the midterms since June. Tactics to depress turnout and voter enthusiasm.
Comment from Oct 30th
May be its a labor of love, not a job. In that case, my apologies.
@Brachiator: Thanks for interesting comment and links. But I don’t see where it addresses the fundamentalist Christian vote at all. I can’t find the original article, but here is a link that addresses the effect of fundamentalist vote, which transcends income and gender. I don’t like the title, but the important bits are the statistics. I think the title should be ‘White Fundies are the big problem in turning elections against bad people’.
Getting to Know White Voters
@jl: Shorter Amy, # not all white voters.
@schrodingers_cat: That’s an analysis, not a prediction. Perhaps you could just avoid responding to them?
And here is some evidence that White Evangelical support for Trump really seems to be the immovable obstacle. No point in changing core Democratic message to try to appeal to them. They have their new Saul, and will follow him over any number of cliffs until their leaders say their God has rejected him. The article is from April of this year, but the idea that this group’s support for him would grow over more than a year of total fail and lies and BS is mind-boggling.
Poll: white evangelical support for Trump is at an all-time high
Republican partisanship and a utilitarian evangelical strategy might help explain why.
By Tara Isabella [email protected]@vox.com Apr 20, 2018
This is my surprised face. : |
The best example Trump’s assholeriness was the comment he made at the rally that night about how standing in the rain while talking to the press about the synagogue massacre gave him a bad hair day.
If any Democrat anywhere had ever, ever done that,…well, what’s the point.
Don’t forget to change your clocks Saturday night.
If Trump and his people were even remotely competent they would have made sure a few middle class crumbs like some infrastructure projects had happened and tax refund checks actually came in the mail and then they would have been running on “morning in America” style ads this election rather than “caravan of death” and white nationalism.
Anyone here old enough to remember these: They were super effective
It just astonishes me how far the Republican party has come from that era (which we thought was horrible too by the way but not in the same order of horrible as today)
@schrodingers_cat: This is just the site where someone would go to target lukewarm voters.
@schrodingers_cat: I have long despised Amy Walters. They try to cloak her in fair and balanced but she’s straight up R.
@Brachiator: I still don’t see the article that put it all together in terms of good electoral strategy. But the point is, conservaDem approaches that do not distinguish between fundamentalist Evangelicals from other groups, can lead to misguided campaign strategies. I am putting some of my own ideological leanings and hunches into my personal conclusion. But for me, I think it shows it is a mistake to do any special corporatist, cultural, or religious center-right BS catering to get white males. One part of that group is fundie and absolutely nothing you can say will sway them. Other groups can be swayed by good, strong, principled, Democratic arguments.
Steve King was asked the same question yesterday:
He explicitly refused to answer the question, berated the questioner, and had him thrown out.
There are plenty of vile Republican assholes running that I would love to see lose next week, but King is at the very top of my list.
Petard, hoisted, own.
@Corner Stone: I never heard of her before, but from clicking on her stories I don’t see any juggling to favor the GOP in the last few weeks. If you have something that shows different, I’ll gladly read it.
@Ian G.: My heart sings thst you’d go to Fox headquarters to celebrate the end of Trump. It brings up two immediate thoughts.
1. Fox will be around after Trump is gone. The “trusted” right wing machine will still be slipping fear of the other into the hearts of millions and filling their mouths with barricades to discussion and reasonable disagreement / debate. Social media will still exist and fulfill the propaganda needs of the power elite, until there are laws and enforcemet to expose the lies and manipulation.
2. The liberal and democratic leadership will continue to use facts and data to counteract the right wing. This approach will continue to fail. Cognitive scientists will continue to point out why it fails.
Last night Colbert had Chris Wallace in the chair. It was a lesson in how to rebut the right’s nonsense, especially the first part. Colbert didn’t argue the facts. He simply said he didn’t have the data but did nit agree with Wallace. Wallace knew he was trapped. He knew he’d fallen into the trap, the type of trap the right sets for liberals.
Wallace maintained that immigrants (note: not “people seeking asylum from dangerous regions”) were “catch and release” and only 5 or 10 % showed up for their hearings. When Colbert got the figure – 60 to 70% Wallace danced all over them. “Only 10% are granted asylum. See I was right!” Even though that means 90% are sent back to what could mean misery or death. Wallace didn’t talk about human suffering. Colbert could have been stronger and included his Catholic belief in offering shelter to, and “welcoming the immigrant”.
Make them support their data. Lead with your principles and your emotional backbone.
Looking at the early vote (which is much more like 2016 than 2014), I’m not so sure. There certainly aren’t a lot of Dems excited to turn out to get rid of Hogan (as you say I don’t think he is a whole hearted racist), but I also don’t think there are a lot that are excited to re-elect him. I think most of the Dem surge is people that want to be part of a Blue Wave and say hell no to drumpf. If so, like always it comes down to turn out. In 2014 the turnout was weak in three big Dem strongholds, Baltimore City, Montgomery County and Prince George’s County, about 37% vs. 50-55% for a lot of the rural counties. In a presidential year, turnout is near 70%. After the early voting in 2014, the Dems had about an 88,000 lead in these counties in voters and that turned into about a 73,000 advantage in votes for governor. In 2018 early voting, the voter advantage is +210,000. About 6,000 of the increase comes from absentees, but most of it is +116676 in Dem turnout vs +758 in R turnout. If the net is the same, it means about +173,000 in votes. If the Dem enthusiasm carries over to election day, it wouldn’t be a big shock to see an additional +275,000-300,00 votes from these counties. I don’t know if there are enough Hogan votes in the other counties to make up for that, especially since the Dem early voting is up almost everywhere. Lot’s of ifs. We shall see on Tuesday.
This could be the Friday news dump. Not yet officially confirmed by the Pentagon.
DHS refused to respond.
@Mandalay: Nunes is at the top of mine because, unlike King, he has real power that he has abused.
@Mandalay: Top three for me King, Nunes and Rohrabacher, but truthfully all of them.
@laura: Great comment Laura, so I’m repeating it: “That so many of our fellow Americans, our ‘friends’, family, co workers actually support this, delight in this, celebrate the degradation of our democracy, our Constitution, the very ideal of America as a force for good in the world is what breaks my heart.”
I was having a conversation a couple weeks ago with a young ex-co-worker, a pretty big R but someone who likes history. We are both cable-tv cutters so talked about when we travel watching in the hotel. All he wanted to talk about was how amusing he thought CNN was, etc. I said I think I’m in a much different place than you are. He laughed and said, it will be OK, at worst, only six more years of this.
I’ve started listening to an audio book on Harding’s Teapot Dome scandal. Funny how it’s almost always the Republican administrations that are so so crooked.
So for anyone who might want to get off the blog for an hour or two and help get the right folks elected here’s a nifty link–put in your zip & you will get lots and lots of ways to help out, including just staying where you are and using your phone.
We’ve got a little under four days now.
And everyone have a lovely Friday afternoon/evening.
Sister Golden Bear
@Corner Stone: Her giggly analysis after the Las Vegas massacre was the last straw for me.
Trump is an awful person.
You know who isn’t? Leto, and I imagine he could really use our help. There have been 30 donations totaling about 1,800 since Cole posted the GoFundMe 4 days ago. I don’t know how many of that 30 are from Balloon Juice, but many of them obviously are.
I have, let’s say, overextended on political donations — I’m pretty sure a lot of people here can relate!
I had to wait until the first of the month for a new influx of funds, so I am donating now. Just wanted to put this up as a reminder in case others might have had to wait until the 1st, also.
Sending good thoughts to Leto and Avelune every single day.
@jl: I don’t read her written articles. She appears frequently on the Sunday shows as well as weekly pundit bits. IMO it’s hard to watch her through a segment and not* discern her bias. YMMV.
Also, I think I added an “s” to her name. It is Amy Walter. She’s at The Cook Report and is amyewalter on the twit machine.
ETA * added the not there
Well, I’d try to “gotcha” Trump by saying that he was calling the US a shithole, but that was basically his campaign slogan so never mind.
Her name is Amy Walter, not Amy Walters. Are you possibly thinking of Amy Holmes, who somewhat fits your description?
@Corner Stone: OK, thanks. Being a regular on any talk show raises my suspicion, since the main qualification for that is being a shiftless centrist bullshitter who says nothing, or a GOP operative (IMHO). But so many are guilty on that score.
@PAM Dirac: I really need to learn more about the demography of my state. I was stunned this morning to see the early voting totals for Montgomery County, Baltimore County, PG County, and Howard County, which are larger than just about anywhere else. I always thought Baltimore City had that distinction but evidently this is not the case. Anne Arundel (conservative), Baltimore City (liberal), and Harford (conservative) form the next big block. It’s small pickings after that.
I just hope AG Frosh gives his opponent Wolf a thrashing. We need Frosh to lead the emoluments clause case.
“Few people actually join the military to travel to distant lands to kill people. Fewer still join to help run concentration camps. Under both US and international law, military personnel have a moral and legal obligation to refuse to comply with any order that involves collaboration with these camps, but unfortunately few are aware of this fact.”
A fair call, but if the Republicans lose the House Nunes will go back to being a nobody.
But if KKKing loses it sends a real message: if you want be an overtly racist politician then the voters will sling you out.
@WaterGirl: Thanks for the reminder, just chipped in.
And even in this block of counties where you label two conservative, the Dem registration advantage is 537247 to 277545. The Dems really have a HUGE registration advantage in MD. For a R to win state wide they would either have to almost win the D vote or have a somewhat respectable part of the D vote and lousy D turnout. This year I think Hogan is going to make a somewhat respectable showing in the D vote (except in PG and Baltimore City) but it doesn’t look like he is going to get the lousy D turnout.
@Raven: Reminds me, in a very awful way, of the cointel pro creeps that infiltrated the Vietnam War protest groups. The FBI recruited people who had been convicted of crimes to infiltrate and disrupt peace groups. They were typically nutty or nasty. They tried to get people riled up to “fight the pigs” or claim “the only way to stop the killing us to arm ourselves”. The peace groups tried to treat them “peacefully”. All it took was a few people splitting off and behaving badly to turn the public against them. It was psy-ops on American soil.
Even rumors, or outright lies, about leftist militias will be enough to justify mass arrests. Whether or not the current admin is competent enough to pull it off is the question – not whether or not they’d like to. They’ve got Putin, and Duterte, and Erdogan as examples. And Trump seems curious about how Kim operates.
@WaterGirl: It was so nice for you to put this up as a reminder. I put in a small amount when it was posted but I’ll try to add a little more. Keep commenting on it on other posts.
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Sorry, channeled Bertie Wooster for a minute there …
@Jay: Looks like a very good organization with a great website. Thanks, I’ll check it often.
Half an hour after you posted and it’s now over $6,000. Because jackals rule.
@TenguPhule: As long as you don’t call out the manly men of Montana I’m good.
(It’s about nervous sheep… Haven’t heard it in decades. Maybe cause too many (former) Montanans have migrated to Seattle.)
@PAM Dirac: I agree that D turnout should give Hogan some heartburn. I still believe he’ll win but it won’t be a cakewalk. I’ve lived in MD for 20 years now but I can’t say I’ve ever really been excited by our politicians. Maybe that’s more often the case than not, but I look at figures like Abrams, Beto, and Gillum and wish we had someone equally inspiring.
@Dan B: Tommy the Traveller.
@Mnemosyne: That is great. Just so you know, though, there was about 5k in the kitty from Leto’s work people, etc. when Cole posted it on Balloon Juice 4 days ago. The total was at 6,700 something when I posted my comment. Glad to hear it’s going up!
@Dan B: But looks like Colbert did have the data, and the correct and relevant data.
Wallace has enough self respect not to go full Trump and accuse Colbert of being unfair to him, and then lying and intimidating his ass off.
Too bad Wallace doesn’t have enough self-respect and scruples to leave Fox News and do the quality of work he is capable of doing.
I noted that most of the exit polling and subsequent analysis did not look deeply at variations of race/gender/religion. As a result, I think it is difficult to make any big statement about white evangelicals being the core of Trump’s base. The Cook Report also does something odd.
Job approval rating and voting are not the same thing. Similarly,
There is too much that has to be unpacked here. Evangelicals (whatever that means) are not evenly distributed across the country. I don’t know that equal numbers of evangelicals are college educated and without college degrees.
I agree that white males are harder to reach. Much of the data show them moving more toward Trump. But the reasons for this may be more complex than you can see just by looking at polling.
Black evangelicals do not vote for Trump, or for Republicans. Many Trump supporters are frightened bigots, with a veneer of religion. But Trump and the GOP have to lie to them big time to keep them in the fold. Right now, they believe, or pretend to believe, that Trump will protect Social Security and Medicare, and will guarantee jobs and low taxes. I’m not sure how long Trump can keep peddling BS before even the thickest fool rethinks their vote.
@Brachiator: Thanks. My only comment is that even if the religion is a veneer, that veneer seems to be a very hard shell, impossible to crack, and more important signal that voter is beyond reach than any other demographic factor.
And, as I noted above, my, admittedly personal, interpretation is that if you try to dilute a strong, core-value, Democratic message to try to reach less educated whites as a whole, that is recipe for failure. Because it tries to appeal to a religious voting block that is beyond reach, and dilutes a clear strong message to others that can be swayed by strong principled arguments.
Less educated white males are a shame on whites and males, but I think with a good strong Democratic message, we can reach enough of the non-fundies among them to make a difference.
The shorthand has become the pipe bombs and Pittsburg.
Let’s not forget the Nigerian video justifying the police killing protestors: “Please Watch and Make Your Deductions”, showing Trump’s comments about treating migrants as ‘armed’ if they throw rocks.
And the Kroger shooting, where the white supremacist killer said to a (white) bystander “Don’t shoot me. I won’t shoot you. Whites don’t shoot whites.”
All in a bit more than a week…
Who is suggesting this? I don’ t think that analyzing voters by various demographic indices immediately suggests any particular voting strategy.
Also, I think that Trump is a danger to American democracy. To everyone. If he and the Republicans continue to rule, a strong, core-value Democratic message won’t mean shit.
Ah, a central difference. I think many of these white people are out of reach, for now, because they are bigots, not because they are religious. But even white bigots can be moved when the plutocrats start fucking them over.
Let’s see what’s shaking after November 6.
@Brachiator: A sincere belief in that particular flavor of fundamentalism may be the cause of the bigotry, or the other way around. The underlying cause might be bigotry and the weird flavor of Christian fundamentalism white followers espouse might just be a convenient cover. I’m just saying it’s a very strong cause, or signal (take your pick), that can be used to improve campaign strategy, and justifies putting a strong Democratic message out to every broad demographic group.
Edit: and sorry if I seemed to be accusing you of disagreeing with idea of putting strong Dem message out for every group. I didn’t mean to imply that.
Mike in DC
I believe that Carter was the last Democratic candidate for president to get 50 percent of the white vote, in 1976. Since then, we typically get 40 to 45 percent in a straight two way race. So going from 40 to 45 is great. Worrying about getting to 50+ is a waste of time and effort, though.
@Ian G.: I also fantasize about the so-called president* fleeing the country. That would probably be a valid 25th Amendment scenario, no?
The expression Trump makes that I hate the most is the maudlin frown-y face he makes during his volk rallies when he’s saying: “crooked Hillary Clinton.” It just makes me long for the day when it all catches up to him.
Just had to get that off my chest.
J R in WV
A lot of polling seems to revolve around college degrees. I was just researching 20 candidates for 2 vacant supreme court positions here in WV. Imagine my surprise (not) to find one guy with his law degree from Oral Roberts University. Another was (after a whole LOT of research) a member of the Federalist Society.
Anyway, where I’m going with this is that lots of college degrees are from two-bit theocratic Christian “colleges” in the country-side. These are the college graduates who support Trump, if I am seeing things straight. People who – far from being taught critical thinking – are being taught that most things were set in stone 6,000 years ago, and there’s no point in thinking critically about truths graven in stone that long ago.
Thank you for Third Lady. She’s about third-rate as far as dignity goes, as is her husband.
Every reporter and citizen should ask their Republican Congressperson if they agree with tRump’s statement. They should have to answer for THEIR president.