It ain’t over til it’s over by DougJ| November 7, 20187:42 pm| 98 CommentsThis post is in: C.R.E.A.M.FacebookTweetEmailStacey Abrams needs money to help with her recount:
I’m in for $100. Go Stacey!
Heads up! MoveOn has activated its “Nobody is above the Law” action for tomorrow night @ 5 pm. This is a flash protest of Mueller’s potential firing. If you can get out to a local protest please do so.
Text MUELLER to 50409 for a listing of actions near you or go here
That is all.
@Marcopolo: Here’s the one for Chicago.
He’s decided to double down:
I donated $25 extra to Stacey and will not cancel my monthly donation until this is resolved.
CNN did everything but give him a handjob from the time Trump announced until the election. This is the thanks they get. One would think that the NYT might learn from their colleagues’ experience, but one would be sadly mistaken.
I’m in for some green! And will try to make a move on event in nyc.
@BGinCHI: I’ll be to the St Louis one.
Donated++ Go Stacy!
Bill Nelson’s in a recount as well. Maybe the FSM will drape her noodly appendage upon both of them and find ways for both of them to prevail…
Senate Minority Leader Schumer: “We would hope, if there’s a constitutional crisis, that our Republican colleagues would join us in thwarting the president from creating that crisis.”
If the Dems ever win back the Senate, this bastard has to go. Replace him with Dick Durbin or Patty Murray or a broomstick. Any of those three would be preferable to Chuckles.
I signed up for one but I haven’t gotten a notification that it’s happening.
Does someone have a link to the Acosta thing at the press conference?
@zhena gogolia: Well the first link in my comment #2 is from Ben Wikler’s twitter feed. Ben is the national director of MoveOn so he the one who fired the starter pistol metaphorically speaking. Have you tried either the text option (which I got from our local organizer) or the second web link I provided where you can enter your address & get the closest protest?
Also too here is the link for the StL protest: https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/13314/attend/?akid=.40121983.kRJgR0
@zhena gogolia: hmmm. Are you in a big metro area?
@zhena gogolia: Just follow the link and type in your zip code. Your local demonstration will be listed.
I went to the address look-up, and the one in my town still says it will be announced when/if Mueller is fired. They sent me an e-mail when I first signed up, so I assumed I’d get an e-mail to notify me it’s happening. There are some other events that list it as happening tomorrow, but not the one in my (rather small) town.
No. Our event has 320 people signed up!
@WaterGirl: I saw it on Josh Marshall’s Twitter. Acosta is actually quite graceful in dodging the woman in the maroon dress. He’s quite the gentleman.
And now, a question in return: I am imagine by now the woman in the maroon dress has been doxed. Who is she?
@WaterGirl: the video is on the GOS. I cannot do links. Sorry.
@zhena gogolia: Then your leader is not functioning right now. Maybe you can be the leader.
@Mary G: Surely Fox has gone wall to wall about this threat to the free press, right? I remember when all of the “legitimate” press stood up for them. The MUST be repaying that debt now.
In for $25. Give ’em hell, Stacey!
It looks like we took the lead in NM-02 at some point – very nice! It also looks like we’re about to sneak away with NJ-03 as well. I’m hoping that there’s something that can help us in some of the OC districts in California, as well as TX-23 and ME-02.
Unless there is some 3rd dimensional chess here, I agree. I would actually like to replace him with Kamala Harris. That woman has fire and I think she could do a great job. Since we seem to be living in a free fall when it comes to rules in the Senate and it’s all Lord of the Flies now. We might as well put in someone who has very sharp teeth.
@zhena gogolia: Well, two thoughts. One, the sign up was a while ago (several months iir & maybe your local coordinator has had continuity issues in the meantime. Is there a contact for the local coordinator? If so, reach out. I know the coordinator in St Louis & after Lapassionara sent me an email about it (because I was not signed up :)), I contacted her to confirm which she did. Two if you don’t get activated through your original sign up just go ahead to the one listed close to you now that looks the best (most folks, easiest location to get to, etc…).
@PsiFighter37: Great news about both, hoping those results hold. I wrote postcards for Small.
@cain: We need someone who wants to be a legislative master. Kamala is going to run in 2020 – making her Senate Minority Leader would be a mistake. I think our current leadership team (Schumer, Durbin, and Murray) all stink. That said, it’s not readily apparent to me who should take over.
This is a yuge story Apparently, Georgia Public Broadcasting is covering the fact that they found 700 voting machines wrapped in a warehouse. Kemp has been keeping them in a warehouse so there wouldn’t be enough machines. Fucking asshole. This is pure voter fraud/suppression and he needs to go to jail.
@Cheryl Rofer: Wow! It looks like we’re heading to a more than 35 seat gain in the House. That’s not just a wave; it’s a tidal wave.
@PsiFighter37: Progressives are always looking for imperfect Democrat to obsess over. It’s Schumer turn. I’m not jumping on that train.
@WaterGirl: think this works.
@Cheryl Rofer: Wowzers! According to my maths that means Small won 77% of those absentees. That is a pretty ridiculously number but awesome. She is another candidate I contributed to, another win on my election night spreadsheet. I am now at 50% for US House candidates.
Probably another candidate that will need some recount lawyer funds. I swear this election will still probably temporarily break my finances. I just gave money to Abrams & McBath.
Isn’t there anyone else? What about Cory Booker? Although I think he wants to run too.. sigh. We need a new approach against that moral derelict.
@Ohio Mom: she’s an intern who works for Sarah Sanders. At least that’s my understanding.
Sorry y’all if I feel triggered when Dem leadership say something.
Steve in the ATL
@Mary G: Jesus Christ.
@cain: good lord.
Needless to say, there were plenty of machines in my upper crust, conservative, white area.
@Van Buren: The New York Times is garbage.
@Cheryl Rofer: Holy shitsnacks, rhat’s amazing! Wasnt NM-02 the last holdout on a complete Dem sweep, or was I dreaming that you said that?
Big news! Xochitl Torres Small has won in New Mexico. Absentee ballots put her over the top. (And 1600 PostCards)
May Stacey experience a similar outcome.
ETA – Yay, you all already knew.
@cain: So here is another infuriating point about voter suppression situations like this. Under prior administrations, when voter suppression actions like this came to light the DOJ civil rights division quite frequently opened up an investigation regarding compliance with the Federal Voting Right Act (which while gutted still exists). The situation in N Dakota with the IDs would qualify. The situation in Dodge City, Kansas would qualify. Crickets under Trump. From what I recall reading, the Trump DoJ has not brought a single VRA compliance case since Trump was elected.
@PsiFighter37: CA-45 and CA-39 were decisive loses, or do you mean in the future?
Xochitl has been declared the winner in NM-2
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I don’t really know what the minority leader does off camera, but Schumer is a piss-poor lead spokesman in the media. Mazie Hirono, Sherrod Brown, Ed Markey, Tammy Duckworth are all better at pushing back, i think, though they could all use some coaching about forming and sticking to a message. Sheldon Whitehouse, too. I’m excluding those who are rumored to want to run for President.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Good bye, Tom MacArthur, author I believe of the Obamacare repeal attempts
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It just keeps getting better!
Does it matter that he conceded?
@Baud: Chuck Schumer’s effectiveness is irrelevant.
CNN issues a statement on Acosta:
I’ll believe it if/when they don’t send another reporter in Acosta’s place
@zhena gogolia: there is a website, trumpisnotabovethelaw
It is listing all the events. Try googling it. Maybe your town is there.
I’ll believe when they ‘fire’ trumpanzees from their so called panels.
@lamh36: It shouldn’t, but as Bush v. Gore showed, perception matters. That said, I am of the opinion that both Nelson and Gillum lost…a recount might change a vote differential in the hundreds or very low thousands. When it’s 50,000 votes…I don’t think so. I am surprised that Nelson seems to be more punchy on this matter, though.
@cain: Well, sorry, but you know what? I am getting triggered by lefty pearl-clutching whenever Democratic leadership says something, anything, that doesn’t match what the Joe Unbeatable Democratic Leader in their heads says, and start squawking, “Away with them, away, away!” For fuck’s sake can you just for a moment accept that they might know what they’re doing and dealing with, here? It’s really starting to chap my ass how many people seem to think that the Democratic leadership just fucking lives to screw over and disappoint them.
@lamh36: No. Not legally binding, and in any case, the recount is automatic once the margin drops below 0.5% unless Gillum (in this specific case) specifically asks to have it stopped. In any case, I saw it reported that Nelson had also originally conceded, but that hasn’t stopped the FL-Sen recount from going forward.
One other tidbit is that if it drops below a 0.25% margin, the recount has to be by hand.
I still strongly doubt if FSM loves us enough to give us La La Land moments for both our Sen and Gov races. But if it happens, I’m not asking for any presents this holiday season, ’cause I’ll have already gotten ’em.
“When it’s 50,000 votes…I don’t think so”.
Then, why is there a recount? Your hunches do not count.
Joy in FL
I just RSVPed for a local protest for tomorrow. All the info on the site is the same as it was when the focus was on the potential firing of Robert Mueller. Even the time frame is the same. Even the auto-email confirming my RSVP only refers to the firing of Mr. Mueller. So I wonder if there is really anything at the location tomorrow at 5 or at anytime. There are several protests in my area, but the one I RSVPed for is the closest. Maybe some of the other locations have more current information, but I can’t tell unless I RSVP : ( I know this is rapid response, so I’m not trying to fault people for not posting up-to-date info. I’m just not sure there really will be anything in my area. And I really want to participate.
Also, I’m seeing things on Twitter and local papers about potential recounts for Florida senate, governor, and agriculture commissioner. It would be so cool if even one of those went to democrats.
Also, I want to state that BJ is so important to me. Information, pet photos, kindness, jackalness, all of it helps me not just cope but take action. I volunteered for a campaign for the first time. He didn’t win, but now I know that I can help on a 2020 campaign. So that’s good.
I just saw about Torres-Small and Kim and came here to celebrate. But I see you jackals already are.
Upscale suburbs sure are coming through for Democrats. All four flippable New Jersey seats flipped. The New Jersey delegation is now 11-1 D.
New England will likely be back to 100% D like it was post 2008. Now the mid-Atlantic is moving solidly Democratic. The mid-Atlantic states of NJ, NY, DE, MD are 40-8 D. If you add PA and VA it’s 56-21.
@Platonailedit: I understand it’s within reason. I’m just saying that I have never seen a recount overturn a margin of that magnitude.
Intersection of Broad and College Ave.
Athens, GA 30601
No one is above the law! Help save our democracy.
@PsiFighter37: It’s not even a 50,000-vote margin though. It’s currently barely over 25,000 (4,085,466 to 4,059,546). In a state of 21M people. That’s a borderline hanging-chads-level margin. It sounds insurmountable until you remember how big FL is. Not to say it’s not a long shot, but in the litany of the 50 most absurd plot twists the showrunners have thrown at us in the past three years, this one wouldn’t even make the list.
And I am just saying let the chickens be counted before we chicken out. There is always first time for everything including overturning such margins.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
How long does it take to count that many votes?
WHPC issues a weak azz statement, IMHO
We may soon need to have a fundraising drive for Florida recounts. I just came across this tweet from Dem election law expert Marc Elias:
I’ll do as he says and check the paper tomorrow morning.
Go recounts! Wonderful news about Torres Small–she was one of my postcard candidates :)
@tobie: I’ll be in for some dough for sure. Don’t want to let this one go down without a fight.
@lamh36: Pathetic cowards.
How do we fix that? I mean, it seems all we have is the courts now. Shouldn’t we file a lawsuit against the DOJ for not doing its job?
Ella in New Mexico
Xoch Goes to Congress!!!
After my county tallied up almost 8000 absentee ballots and reported them this evening, Xochitl Torres Small’s apparent loss turned into a victory!!! She’s now ahead with all districts reporting 100% by over 2700 votes!
Anyone here who donated to the first round helped her. She was able to campaign in every small and big town in our ridiculous giant gerry-mandered district and listen to the needs of everyone here. She couldn’t have done that without money.
Thanks all you guys. I’m frigging delirious with excitement and relief right now that finally, NM CD 2 will be represented by such a great human being. Enough that I’m not gonna freak the fuck out tonight about the whole Sessions resignation/Illegal placement of toady acting AG who will try to fire Mueller or squelch the investigation- thing.
I’ll do it tomorrow.
@MazeDancer: I wrote and sent postcards for her! YAY!
Do we, though? That was kind of what last month’s Senate fight was about.
Regardless, it seems implausible that trying to remedy the issue through the courts will cause more harm than doing nothing would. Just saying not to expect a magic fix, I guess.
@(((CassandraLeo))): I think we should gum up the works as much as possible. The Republicans prevented Franken from assuming his seat in the Senate for 6 months in 2009, as the recount battle with Norm Coleman went on. I still remember having to hear about Lizard People for days on end. We should hold out in AZ and FL till every vote is counted and recounted this time around.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It will probably take some time. That said, that is a very promising trend. It reminds me a bit of Kamala Harris – she was down on Election Night 2010, but she eventually won the state AG race in California.
I get the sense that I will absolutely hate what Sinema does on some issues, but we need every seat we can get, especially since Doug Jones is going to be on thin ice from the get-go in 2020.
Ella in New Mexico
@AThornton: just saw your post–is this not awesome? :-)
I apologize, Miss Bianca. I’ll try to keep it underwraps going forward.
Because of course!!
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I will say that if the current vote percentages in Pima and Maricopa hold, Sinema will scrape by with a ~2,500 vote margin. However, I know that the relevant precincts outstanding – especially in Maricopa – are more relevant…so take this back-of-the-envelope math was a big grain of salt.
“since Doug Jones is going to be on thin ice from the get-go in 2020.”
Preemptive concern trolling? Really?
That was an interesting read.
@Platonailedit: He’s going to be running in Alabama in a presidential election year. I think the concern is very well worth it, seeing how we lost a number of senators in Cheeto-loving land in an off-cycle election this year. Just being realistic…
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Thank God the Democrats won Congress and can conduct independent investigations, make criminal referrals and impeach administration assholes.
@David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: All the difference in the world.
@cain: Under the original VRA the DoJ was the plaintiff in most these cases (see pre approval for changes to election processes). After SCOTUS gutted that part, it now falls upon parties with standing to sue, and to sue after the fact. Most times these parties are low income or minority or both voters who do not have the financial resources to bring suit. The ACLU has been stepping in but since the suits are after the fact the damage has already been done. If I recall properly, the typical settlement was some kind of consent decree between the parties overseen by the Feds where the offending party is required to make x y z changes and agrees to supervision by an outside agency for a certain length of time. I don’t think that works today. Certainly not with the Trump DoJ. Honestly, the best solution I can see would be for states to pass state laws that criminalize voter suppression–and stat how individuals engaged in it will be identified & punished. In states with resistant legislatures something like this would have to be enacted via ballot initiative.
Anyone gathering at local protests bring green balloons!
@Joy in FL: The focus is still the potential firing of Mueller. The person Trump has appointed to replace AG Sessions is hostile to the investigation, is currently not recused from overseeing it despite conflict of interest issues, and the White House has stated for the record he will take over from Rosenstein. He could narrow the scope of the investigation, cut its funding, or even fire Mueller and bury all the work that has been completed to date where no one ever sees it.
She’s unlikely to force a runoff, but it would be GREAT if you threw some money to John Barrow or Lindy Miller, who are DEFINITELY having runoffs in Georgia.
Lauren Underwood was on Maddow tonight. Check her out on the repeat.
Gin & Tonic
My son has been an observer for two elections in FSU countries and has said that everything he’s read about GA-GOV he’d have reported as irregularities.
Holy shit! Saw this elsewhere earlier. We’re whooping it up here. This is huge. Another fuck you to Steve Pearce. Blue New Mexico.
@Miss Bianca: Damn! You go, girl!
@Miss Bianca: Olé!! Brava!!
@MazeDancer: thanks to mazedancer for getting a bunch of us involved with postcards, i’m happy to have sent a bunch for xochitl!
i hope andy kim holds onto his lead, i hate that smug fuck mcarthur.
@gnarbone: Why do you say that she’s unlikely to force a runoff? Not enough votes to be counted? Maybe you are correct, but lots of us voted by absentee ballot, were indeed encouraged to do so, since there is NO paper trail here. Emails from her campaign say that there’s lots of absentee ballots, and provisional ballots yet to be counted. Do you have more updated/better info?