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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Arizona hey won’t you go my way

Arizona hey won’t you go my way

by DougJ|  November 8, 20182:56 pm| 123 Comments

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The Arizona race could still go to Sinema:

Republicans filed a lawsuit Wednesday night to challenge the way some Arizona counties count mail-in ballots as election officials began to slowly tally more than 600,000 outstanding votes in the narrow U.S. Senate race — a task that could take days.

Republican Rep. Martha McSally and Democratic Rep. Kyrstin Sinema were separated by a small fraction of the 1.7 million tabulated votes.

About 75 percent of Arizona voters cast ballots by mail, but those ballots have to go through the laborious signature confirmation process, and only then can be opened and tabulated. If county recorders have issues verifying signatures they are allowed to ask voters to verify their identity.

Those fucking assholes. Sinema hasn’t put out a call for money to help with the recount. But if she does, I’ll put up a thermometer for it.

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    November 8, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    COUNT EVERY VOTE!

  2. 2.

    PhoenixRising

    November 8, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    Those of us who busted our asses to get Adrian Flores into the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office did something big 2 years ago. First Latino in that role. Maricopa County is where Bill Rehnquist cut his teeth as a GOP operative, suppressing Latino votes for Barry Goldwater.

    Adrian’s kicked ass and taken names and god dammit those voters are going to be counted.

    You’re welcome and please note, the Senate is being impacted by a county wide race for…not quite dog catcher, but who counts the votes matters. Who determines vote tallies where you live?

  3. 3.

    Emerald

    November 8, 2018 at 3:05 pm

    As Stalin said, it doesn’t matter who votes, it’s who counts the votes that matters.

  4. 4.

    OGLiberal

    November 8, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    What’s the logic behind rushing? I know the real reason is because they don’t want them counted but what’s the legal argument? It’s 11/8 – new Senators don’t get seated 1/1/19.

  5. 5.

    J R in WV

    November 8, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    Here’s the Republican voting freedom philosophy:

    We’re ahead right now, so you have to stop counting ballots RIGHT NOW so we can win. If you keep on counting, we might lose, so STOP RIGHT NOW~~!!!!!~

    They’ve done it for years, no one seems to be able to stop them long term, we have to do it over and over again, forever. This need to stop forever, everywhere!!

  6. 6.

    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues

    November 8, 2018 at 3:09 pm

    Hey DougJ, I’d urge you to give some attention to the FL senate and Gov races as well. Apparently, the margin for the gov race is close enough to trigger a recount. See for example:
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/florida-governors-race-within-margin-for-recount

    I’d willingly give to both Gillum and Abrams (which you put up a couple days ago)

  7. 7.

    Erin in Flagstaff

    November 8, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    It’s crazy how the Repubs want to stop the votes here. These are a lot of “late early” votes. We have Permanent Early Voting, and lots of people still drop their early ballots off on election day. Because they don’t get verified before then, they’re late and need verification after election day. There is nothing on our AZ early ballot envelopes that say “Sign here and leave your phone number, but if you don’t get this to the election office by such and such date we won’t call you to clear up any confusing signature issues.” It says, leave your phone number and we will contact you if there are questions about your signature. Ugh.

    You guys, the outstanding ballots are in three counties, two of them that voted for Sinema in higher numbers than other counties. They could make a difference, and that’s why the Repubs want to stop as many ballots being counted as possible.

  8. 8.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    Is the dem establishment – DCCC/DNC/DLCC and other committees – getting behind these AZ & FL fights? They must be floating in surplus cash.

  9. 9.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 8, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    @OGLiberal: How long did the horse-face guy stall Al Franken?

  10. 10.

    Tony Jay

    November 8, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    They all seem really eager to claim victory without going through the turgid business of snout-counting, don’t they? Wonder why that could be.

    It would really put a nice cap on Tuesday’s wave if The Big White Shame of Georgia and Panhandle Orlok in particular lost out on their ill-gotten rewards.

  11. 11.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    Stacey Abrams' campaign has announced that it will file a lawsuit in Dougherty County, GA claiming that voters were denied the opportunity to cast ballots by mail during the general election.

    https://t.co/1e67myGWGL— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 8, 2018

    Not to forget this.

  12. 12.

    JPL

    November 8, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    Earlier I read the Sinema expects to win if the votes are counted, which is why the GOP is trying to stop the vote now.

  13. 13.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    November 8, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues: Florida’s two biggest races going to recounts is truly the least surprising plot twist this whole election cycle. The only way this could be any more Florida is if an alligator on bath salts were somehow declared the winner.

    One thing I was surprised by though is that apparently (note that I haven’t double checked this) Gillum retains the services of Bush 43’s recount lawyer from 2000, so props to the showrunners on that one if so.

    I’ll definitely donate to a Gillum or Nelson recount fund.

  14. 14.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    ⚠️ If you voted with a provisional ballot, you need to make sure your vote is counted. Contact your Supervisor of Elections office immediately before the 5 PM deadline. If you have questions, call our Voter Protection Hotline: (833) 868-3352 ☎️ https://t.co/tpd7dtEjiw— Florida Democrats (@FlaDems) November 8, 2018

  15. 15.

    dr. bloor .

    November 8, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Only in America do you not only have to demand a “recount,” you have to demand a “count.”

  16. 16.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 8, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    @dr. bloor .: Well, not only in America. I mentioned at the end of a dying thread the other day that my son has been an accredited observer of two elections in FSU countries, and said the reports coming out of GA are exactly the sort of things that would have made it into his reports of irregularities.

  17. 17.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 8, 2018 at 3:25 pm

    @dr. bloor .: Not “only” in America. It’s the same in Russia, Egypt, Turkey, the Phillipines, Iran….

  18. 18.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    What an esteemed company.

    Fuck the thugs.

  19. 19.

    Brachiator

    November 8, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    Republicans filed a lawsuit Wednesday night to challenge the way some Arizona counties count mail-in ballots

    Goddam Republicans. They love to file lawsuits when it suits them, but engage in voter suppression and other unfair tactics and expect Democrats just to suck it up.

  20. 20.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    Right now @AndrewGillum trails by about 7 votes per precinct, with thousands in Broward & Palm Beach still to count.

    Provisionals may be critical. If you voted provisional, call your county supervisor ASAP to confirm your vote counts by 5 PM. Please RT.

    https://t.co/0RUdHeMcBe— Kevin Cate (@KevinCate) November 8, 2018

  21. 21.

    Kent

    November 8, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    Much as I dislike the top-2 “jungle” primary we have here in WA and in CA, it seems pretty clear that if the same system existed in AZ then Sinema would be the senator-elect by now. It does eliminate the possiblity of 3rd party spoilers.

  22. 22.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    Why the fuck did Gillum concede when the margin was so close?

  23. 23.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    @(((CassandraLeo))):

    The only way this could be any more Florida is if an alligator on bath salts were somehow declared the winner.

    Has anyone checked for a zipper on the back of the Republican candidate where no zipper should be?

  24. 24.

    Kent

    November 8, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    @Platonailedit: He can un-concede. It happens all the time. There isn’t anything legally binding about a concession speech. The only thing legally binding is the final certification of the election results.

  25. 25.

    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues

    November 8, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    @(((CassandraLeo))): Excellent point! Alligator on bath salts riding a motorcycle? Floridagator?! Could happen!!

    I actually don’t give a shit if Gillum hires Karl Rove or Ted Olson if they help him win. Nancy Pelosi and all the other dems can sing the praises of, and genuflect to bipartisanship, all they want: I know she’s good and can shiv a fucker as necessary. Let her say what she wants. All we need to do is just fight and win.

    Here is my sob story: all the candidates I donated to (the first time I EVER gave money in an election) lost: JD Scholten in IA vs Nazi King; Heidi Heitkamp; Aftab Pureval in OH-1 (my district) vs Slimeball Steve Chabot. But I would do it again and again. If we do not push back against these assholes, they win be default.

  26. 26.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2018 at 3:35 pm

    @Platonailedit:

    A concession is not legally binding. He can un-concede any time he wants, and the fact that he’s hired recount lawyers says that he has not given up.

  27. 27.

    mad citizen

    November 8, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    @Platonailedit: I was wondering the same thing. I don’t get this custom anyway, let the election officials call the races.

  28. 28.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    @Kent:

    I know, but still, the optics sucks. The fucking thugs drag their feet even when the margins are much higher and more clearer. Dems still to learn a few things from the thugs on how to fight the elections among other things.

  29. 29.

    EveryDayIHaveTheBlues

    November 8, 2018 at 3:37 pm

    @Platonailedit: Honest question: does it matter if he did? IANAL, but I don’t think there are any legal implications, right? The state still has the obligations to go ahead and count all the votes.

    Sort of like when Gore conceded and then withdrew the concession when the large-scale irregularities came to light, before the election was stolen…

  30. 30.

    karen marie

    November 8, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    This signature fuckery is why I roll my eyes right up inside my head whenever I hear people saying that vote by mail is the solution. It’s not! I hand carried my ballot in to try to make sure that my ballot wouldn’t be tossed because my signature is different but, of course, no one at the polling place could make that call, so my ballot is in that pile of 600,000. They get you coming and going.

    ADD: The Maricopa County Elections website says my ballot was accepted and counted, so I guess I am not one of the 600,000 remaining. Here’s a link, if you’re in Maricopa County, to check yours: https://recorder.maricopa.gov/earlyvotingballot/earlyvotingballotstatus.aspx

  31. 31.

    ruemara

    November 8, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    @Platonailedit: It’s not legally binding and if he spins it as being gracious but oh goodness, the numbers demand it and ok lookie, I won, I won’t complain.

  32. 32.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 3:40 pm

    New acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker does not intend to recuse himself from overseeing the Russia investigation, the Washington Post reports.

    The investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into Russian election interference and possible collusion with Donald Trump’s campaign has been overseen by deputy AG Rod Rosenstein, because Jeff Sessions recused himself – a move that infuriated Trump.

    Whitaker’s associates told the Post he will keep himself in charge of the investigation – and he’s unlikely to approve any request by Mueller to subpoena the presidents.

    One source said Whitaker, who has been Sessions’ chief of staff, questioned why Rosenstein was allowing the investigation to go on so long.

    via the Guardian.

  33. 33.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    Acting AG Whitaker’s relationship with Sam Clovis, an important witness in the Russia probe, and his past prejudicial comments about the investigation warrant his recusal.

    Congress must determine whether Whitaker made any promises to Trump about his recusal or impeding Mueller.

    — Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) November 8, 2018

  34. 34.

    trollhattan

    November 8, 2018 at 3:47 pm

    Jen Ruben is shrill.

    Acosta has an even more obvious case because he is the one whose rights have been directly violated. (The current lawsuit could also be amended specifically to reference the Acosta incident as precisely the sort of action that would chill the First Amendment rights of others.) The utility of filing a lawsuit (other than in annoying and embarrassing Trump and Sanders) would be a declaratory judgment ordering the White House to return Acosta’s credentials and barring the White House from taking such action in the future.

    This is a far better option than writing pointed statements as both CNN and the White House Correspondents’ Association did on Wednesday. The statements, without further action, make the press appear feckless. They simply underscore the president’s dominance over the media.

    While I believe the press must continue to cover and attend news conferences when Trump is present, there is absolutely no reason to attend Sanders’s briefings, which do not impart information but instead use the press as a forum to abuse and threaten reporters and spread misinformation. Sanders is not the news; the White House is the news. Reporters can cover their beats and obtain comment as necessary from Sanders without attending, let alone covering live, her (albeit rare) news briefings.

    Sanders whines that the press is too critical or too mean or something. She can think whatever she pleases, but she is an employee of the American people and has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution like every other White House employee. She has no right to use her office to lie to the American people, let alone to violate the First Amendment. She has disgraced herself and should be denied the normal presumption of good faith accorded to past White House press secretaries. I condemn harassment and threatening conduct of any sort (shame on the protesters who showed up at Tucker Carlson’s home and made threats); however, after leaving office, she deserves none of the niceties normally accorded to others in her position. (In the past, we would have said that she has not earned the right to be included in polite society.) No responsible news outlet should hire her; employers making hiring decisions have every reason to shun her.

  35. 35.

    karen marie

    November 8, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    @PhoenixRising: They’re still caging though. I was fortunate in catching the fuckery by calling the elections office two days before registration was closed to discover that I had been removed from “permanent early voting” because I allegedly did not respond to a mailing sent to my address at some point after November 2016 (I’m registered as an independent, so I don’t get a primary ballot). My registration was still intact, meaning I could show up to vote, but I wasn’t going to receive a mail-in ballot. I raised a stink and a ballot was mailed to me.

  36. 36.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    Chris Christie being considered to replace Sessions as attorney general

    No decisions are expected soon, and the list of those being considered — which also includes Rudy Giuliani, outgoing Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, and former Attorney General William Barr, who served under President George H. W. Bush — is likely to grow in the coming days, CBS News chief White House correspondent Major Garrett reports.

    Reads like an FBI’s most wanted list.

  37. 37.

    A Ghost To Most

    November 8, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    @karen marie:
    Colorado is almost entirely by mail. No problems reported here.

  38. 38.

    Spanky

    November 8, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    @trollhattan:

    The statements, without further action, make the press appear feckless.

    One case where appearances are accurate.

  39. 39.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Colorado is almost entirely by mail. No problems reported here.

    The wonderful thing about screwing with mail in voting is that problems wouldn’t be reported like they would if you interfered with the people actually voting in the booths.

    it depends completely on the integrity of the people receiving and counting the mailed in ballots.

  40. 40.

    piratedan

    November 8, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    yeah, it’s still a good possibility that Sinema pulls this out because the votes that remain to be counted (Pima and Maricopa Counties) have the metro Tucson and Phoenix areas where Sinema is expected to do better since most of those folks believe that just because you dropped ordinance from a plane in Afghanistan doesn’t mean you should be writing and supporting legislation that allows the Insurance Industry to decide what pre-existing conditions they choose to cover.

    Doesn’t help that the GOP is in charge of counting the votes (and that we elected another one because the Democratic candidate had the temerity to say that she would actually count all the votes) but I am cautiously optimistic that we can send McSally packing.

  41. 41.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Guess despite Lindsey’s shameless public asskissing, the thug kicked his sorry lil ass to the curb?

  42. 42.

    debit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    @A Ghost To Most: In Minnesota it’s also easy to log in an check the status of your absentee ballot. Mine was accepted and my vote was cast a week before election day.

  43. 43.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    @trollhattan:

    “make the press appear feckless”

    Press is fucking feckless, jenny.

  44. 44.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    @Platonailedit:

    Guess despite Lindsey’s shameless public asskissing, the thug kicked his sorry lil ass to the curb?

    Word is there is going to be an opening at DHS soon. Apparently Trump has issues with women in positions of power, even on his own side.

  45. 45.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 8, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    This is great news. I’d love to see McSally go down. She can go kiss Trump’s behind full time if she loses.

  46. 46.

    Yarrow

    November 8, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    @(((CassandraLeo))): Speaking of Nelson:

    BREAKING: The Florida Senate election has further narrowed. Bill Nelson now trails by only 17,333 or .21%. It is now in HAND recount territory. More ballots still being counted. I expect that margin to narrow further until recount.— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) November 8, 2018

    Florida, man…

  47. 47.

    Kent

    November 8, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    @debit: Same thing here in WA where we have 100% mail-in voting. But then we don’t have a history of voter supression either. Exactly the opposite.

  48. 48.

    A Ghost To Most

    November 8, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    @debit:
    Here as well, although I admit I don’t do it. There may even be a way to get a text or email

    If people are screwing with the vote in Colorado, they sure are doing a good job.

  49. 49.

    Yarrow

    November 8, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    @Platonailedit: Did Roy Moore ever concede?

  50. 50.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    If AZ and FL ‘flip’, will the totus thug totally flip out?

  51. 51.

    trollhattan

    November 8, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    @Yarrow:
    I feel like a trip to Brooks Brothers and a plane ticket.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    Heh. My Trumper cousin in Wisconsin just did a Facebook post about the UNGRATEFUL VOTERS who tossed the Republicans out on their ears just when Wisconsin was experiencing massive economic growth.

    I am not responding, but I am snickering behind her back.

  53. 53.

    trollhattan

    November 8, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    @Platonailedit:
    How would we tell?

  54. 54.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    @Yarrow: Exactly. Franken’s thug dragged on it on for months.

  55. 55.

    JPL

    November 8, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    @TenguPhule: Yes it does. lol

  56. 56.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    @trollhattan:

    This time he will personally yank the mike from Acosta?

  57. 57.

    Martin

    November 8, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    Just to update people on the state of things in CA, we have a shit-ton of uncounted votes. Just shy of half a million in Orange County, 100K+ in house races where the Dem is ahead or behind by a few thousand votes. That’s why so few of these have been called. We’re making sure every vote counts, but that isn’t a fast process.

  58. 58.

    trollhattan

    November 8, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Does the new gov have any authority to unravel the ghoulish Foxcon deal? Scotty would love that.

  59. 59.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    @trollhattan:

    No idea. Omnes is probably the person to ask. I’m just sharing some schadenfreude for all to enjoy.

  60. 60.

    JPL

    November 8, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    @Martin: yeah I know they’d rather be slow and right than fast. Any chance we can have that crew help in AZ and FL

  61. 61.

    Duane

    November 8, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    @Brachiator: Missouri’s new Speaker of the House, Elijah Haahr (R-Springfield) says it cost too much to have early voting here. According to him, Missouri’s a banana republic that can’t afford democracy. He’s a glibertarian lawyer whose only goal as speaker is fuck the poor.

  62. 62.

    Platonailedit

    November 8, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    You can’t beat texas assholes.

    “A tough Texas judge has released all defendants before him, reportedly saying it was what voters wanted, a day after he lost his re-election bid.

    Republican Judge Glenn Devlin let seven juvenile defendants go on Wednesday – including some charged with violent crimes, according to local media.

    Witnesses said that before releasing the defendants he asked them if they planned to kill anybody.

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is demanding an investigation.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46144557

    Just imagine the collective media shrieking if he were a dem.

  63. 63.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    @Platonailedit:

    If AZ and FL ‘flip’, will the totus thug totally flip out?

    From your lips to the FSM’s noodles.

  64. 64.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    @Platonailedit: It gets better. He didn’t bother to show up for work today after his stunt yesterday.

  65. 65.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    @Martin:

    Just to update people on the state of things in CA, we have a shit-ton of uncounted votes. Just shy of half a million in Orange County, 100K+ in house races where the Dem is ahead or behind by a few thousand votes. That’s why so few of these have been called. We’re making sure every vote counts, but that isn’t a fast process.

    Take your time as long as the Democrats win.

  66. 66.

    Yarrow

    November 8, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    @Platonailedit: This story is insane. Apparently the judge is unreachable because he’s “on vacation.”

    The Republican judges got swept out of office in Harris county largely due to straight ticket voting. Of course to avoid such an issue in the future Gov. Abbott signed a bill to eliminate straight ticket voting in 2020.

  67. 67.

    A Ghost To Most

    November 8, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    @trollhattan: Some are already flipping out, but randomly. Let’s hope it stays uncoordinated. Given that most of the truly committed couldn’t organize a Chinese fire drill, there’s hope.

  68. 68.

    Martin

    November 8, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    @JPL: Well, we have a governor and legislator that wants to get it right. Florida and Texas and Arizona leadership of late have had the exact opposite goal.

    When the Dems get control again, they better fucking make bill #1 be some kind of vote integrity act. They don’t have to tell the states how to run elections, but they can establish some clear requirements to meet. If our votes don’t count, then nothing else will matter because we’ll never be in power.

  69. 69.

    Mike in DC

    November 8, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    @Platonailedit:
    It would move his “big win” to a net 1 seat pickup in the Senate, coupled with a loss of up to 40 seats in the house, 7 Governorships, control of 7 state legislatures and loss of nearly 350 state lege seats. That would make it pretty bleak. Not to mention if Gillum and Abrams pull it out…

  70. 70.

    Martin

    November 8, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    @TenguPhule: We’ll see how it goes. Historically time favors Democrats here – like with most other places, but maybe not as dramatically. Nobody is conceding, so they’re all still in it to some degree.

    One particularly encouraging bit of news, student turnout at UC Irvine from 2014 to 2018 increased from 2% to 31%. This piece didn’t really hold up well. As I suspected, the students were more engaged, they simply wanted nothing to do with the news dude with the camera. Like I said at the time, lots of introverts here…

  71. 71.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    Acting attorney general Matt Whitaker has no intention of recusing himself from overseeing the special-counsel probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to people close to him who added they do not believe he would approve any subpoena of Trump as part of that investigation.

    Since stepping into his new role Wednesday, Whitaker has faced questions — principally from Democrats — about whether he should recuse himself from the Russia investigation, given that he has written opinion pieces about the investigation and is a friend and political ally of a witness.

    On Thursday, two people close to Whitaker said he has no intention of taking himself off the Russia case.

    Ethics officials at the Justice Department are likely to review his past work to see whether he has any financial or personal conflicts. In many instances, the ethics office does not require a Justice Department official’s recusal but suggests a course of action. In the past, senior Justice Department officials have tended to follow such advice, but they are rarely required to do so, according to officials familiar with the process.

    Matt Whitaker, has no intention of recusing from Russia probe, associates say

    Kay is right. All the old norms are going to have to be recodified as actual laws, with real sharp teeth.

  72. 72.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    @Martin: Wish you folks the best of luck.

  73. 73.

    C Stars

    November 8, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    @Platonailedit:

    Just imagine the collective media shrieking if he were a dem.

    I don’t even know anymore. The media seems to have a special kind of appreciation for intemperate, irrational, irresponsible behavior from elected officials, don’t they? Maybe they’d fall in love with a Dem politician who started throwing unabashed toddler temper tantrums like the Trumpists do.

  74. 74.

    Haroldo

    November 8, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    @trollhattan:

    Does the new gov have any authority to unravel the ghoulish Foxcon deal? Scotty would love that.

    I don’t know the answer, but if he did, the rabid Wisco GOP legislature is going to do their best to take it away. They are already talking about removing gubernatorial powers during the lame-duck session before Evers is sworn in a la North Carolina.

  75. 75.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    @Duane:
    – Fuck the poor-
    So a bog standard republican then.

  76. 76.

    C Stars

    November 8, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    @TenguPhule: Whitaker’s not going to recuse. That’s crazytalk. He was installed there to do a very specific job, because of his willingness to do it. Isn’t this obvious to everyone?

    Here’s hoping Mueller has already navigated his path around this, or that the Dems can somehow stop it (this I doubt, but we’re definitely in a stronger position than before).

  77. 77.

    trollhattan

    November 8, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    Today a “red flag warning” applies to much of NorCal and to that point, at 6:30 a fire was reported in the Feather River Canyon area and by noon it had blow up to 8,000 acres and closed Highway 99. Rain, please.

  78. 78.

    PJ

    November 8, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    @Platonailedit: @EveryDayIHaveTheBlues: @karen marie: Conceding an election when the count is close matters because voters then think that the candidate has lost, and will not call to check and see that their absentee ballot was counted as valid. If a ballot was rejected for an irregularity, apparently FL voters have until 5pm today (so 49 more minutes) to call and try and get their ballot accepted.

    I don’t understand this thing about conceding before all the votes are counted.

  79. 79.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 8, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @C Stars: They destroyed Howard Dean because he yelled *onstage*. So, no, they wouldn’t fall in love.

  80. 80.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 8, 2018 at 4:24 pm

    @PJ: It’s driven by fear that the media will slag them as a sore loser when the genius of the American political system is the orderly and civil transfer of blah blah blah and the people need to have confidence in free and fair blah blah blah.

  81. 81.

    MomSense

    November 8, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    I went to the post office today. Right after I got out of my car I saw one of the postal workers at the flag pole lowering the flag to half mast. She looked so distraught so I stopped and waited while she finished lowering the flag and then she put her hand over her heart and said the pledge of allegiance. More of us stopped and joined her. Then one of the other people standing there said a New England prayer (no invocation of Jesus) asking for the strength to fight for gun control laws and a ban on assault weapons. I was surprised at the people who nodded approvingly and joined in the amens. They weren’t just liberals.

    After, we were all so teary. One of the men there is a veteran and he was giving all of us hugs. I feel profoundly sad and at the same time I think we have reached the tipping point on this issue.

    I’m heading out shortly to attend the protect Mueller rally. Hugs to all the Jackals.

  82. 82.

    VeniceRiley

    November 8, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @Martin: I’m holding out hope for Katie Porter. Her camp hit my house 3x and I’m hoping she got a late surge. She was in the tough race getting no woman boost with her female opponent. If she loses, it won’t be for lack of trying. And, if she does, I’d go find a qualified asian woman to run next time. THAT would slay the district, I think. DCCC take note!

  83. 83.

    Yarrow

    November 8, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    @Martin: Good. I saw that stupid piece. I don’t know who Jacob Soboroff is but his pieces are beyond annoying and illustrate nothing. Ambushing people and asking them if they’re voting is not journalism, not reporting, is nothing related to news. He’s like a news version of a paparazzo.

  84. 84.

    C Stars

    November 8, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    @trollhattan: The only rain I see in the forecast is for Thanksgiving week. Godspeed to all the firefighters.

    Shitty day for CA…

  85. 85.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 8, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    @Yarrow: MSNBC badly wants to make Jacob Soboroff A Thing. He was OK with the detained children story. I’ve never seen him being OK with anything else.

  86. 86.

    tobie

    November 8, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    @VeniceRiley: Wasn’t Porter’s primary opponent Asian-American? I thought he lost because he wouldn’t commit to Medicare for All. I could be wrong on this. It feels like eons ago.

  87. 87.

    MagdaInBlack

    November 8, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    Took me this long to get it:
    Mark Lindsey: Arizona: 1969
    Had it on a 45.

  88. 88.

    C Stars

    November 8, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: Yeah, but that Dean thing was ages ago. What if in these post-Tr*mp times all they want is some hot, messy reality TV action, and the Dems just aren’t giving it to them?

    I am only suggesting this somewhat rhetorically…

  89. 89.

    PJ

    November 8, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    @PJ: And of course in Republican counties, workers at the local voting boards may do their best to not count provisional or absentee ballots. This is from someone on Twitter (prob will not embed but hopefully the text will come through):

    More
    Replying to @MarcACaputo
    Called my Supervisor of Elections in my shittle little red FL town re: my provisional ballot. Said they’re not going to be even looked at until 3p today. I asked abt the 5p deadline, she said, “we leave at 5”. ????

  90. 90.

    Yarrow

    November 8, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: I rarely see MSNBC so I’ve only seen him on NBC shows like the Today Show. I can’t see how he’s going to be A Thing. He reminds me of a news version of Jim Cramer from CNBC. Quick cuts on the video, peppy sound effects, shouting toward the camera or people. Just no.

  91. 91.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    @MomSense:

    My brother lives in the city where that happened. Fortunately, he’s not a bargoer, especially on a weeknight.

  92. 92.

    PJ

    November 8, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    It looks like recounts are going ahead for Senator and Governor in FL (warning, Politico link): https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/florida-senate-elections-scott-nelson-2018-recount-975805

  93. 93.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    November 8, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    He should be forced to recuse himself. He has no business overseeing that investigation given his past prejudicial comments

  94. 94.

    mainmata

    November 8, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    @rikyrah: Same with Nelson vs. Batboy and Abrams vs. Brian Klansman for GA governor. Count every vote.

  95. 95.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 8, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    @VeniceRiley: Tend to agree, that’s an Asian heavy district(the kid’s sister lives there). Judy Chu did really well in the San Gabriel Valley and better than Schiff here in Glendale(the ReThug running against Schiff is Armenian, probably good for a percent or two).

  96. 96.

    MomSense

    November 8, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    My kid was playing the live music at a bar last night. It’s a regular Wednesday night gig that always has a ton of youngs show up. It’s the other side of the country but those kids were my kid’s people.

  97. 97.

    Yarrow

    November 8, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    Wow, what’s going on here? Click through to see the image. Something doesn’t seem right.

    OMG. Looking at county-level undervote. Broward stands out for having 3.7% of its ballots left blank for #FLSEN but cast for #FLGOV. No other county comes close, and Palm/Dade had more votes for Senator. Either this is ballot design or machine error. #flapol #sayfie pic.twitter.com/OtyK0oO20g— Matthew Isbell (@mcimaps) November 8, 2018

  98. 98.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    @C Stars:

    Yeah, but that Dean thing was ages ago. What if in these post-Tr*mp times all they want is some hot, messy reality TV action, and the Dems just aren’t giving it to them?

    They lost their shit when President Obama gave FOX a mild warning.

    They’re Ms who love them an S that doesn’t acknowledge any safe words.

  99. 99.

    TenguPhule

    November 8, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    @PJ: Multiple recounts already predicted. Hand counts at that.

    Sounds like fun. //

  100. 100.

    Gelfling 545

    November 8, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    @OGLiberal: The tv networks like it.

  101. 101.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 8, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    @MomSense: I am dreading seeing the names of the victims, I grew up there.

  102. 102.

    mainmata

    November 8, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @Kent: Thanks. That’s what I thought too.

  103. 103.

    germy

    November 8, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    @PJ: From your link:

    Sen. Marco Rubio, a Republican, issued a string of tweets Thursday that detailed the numerous controversies that have embroiled Snipes’ office over the years and, without evidence, suggested that Democrats want to manipulate the vote results.

    “Now democrat lawyers are descending on #Florida. They have been very clear they aren’t here to make sure every vote is counted. – They are here to change the results of election; & – #Broward is where they plan to do it,” he said on Twitter.

  104. 104.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 8, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    #BREAKING: CNN and CBS news crews outside the federal courthouse in DC where Rosentein’s attorney just made an appearance. pic.twitter.com/HOFblIYTK3— Anonymous Fed (@EvilBobJ) November 8, 2018

  105. 105.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m hoping my niece didn’t know anyone who was killed — she went to Oak Park High School and is currently attending junior college nearby.

  106. 106.

    Roger Moore

    November 8, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    If people are screwing with the vote in Colorado, they sure are doing a good job.

    They’re screwing with the vote in the most insidious way possible: they’re letting Those People vote as if their votes were actually as valuable and meaningful as Real Americans­­®.

  107. 107.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 8, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I would probably have known the kid’s parents though I’ve not kept in touch with folk from high school. They’ve release a few names, the former Fox reporter’s niece was one of the dead.

  108. 108.

    Roger Moore

    November 8, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    @Platonailedit:

    A tough Texas judge has released all defendants before him, reportedly saying it was what voters wanted, a day after he lost his re-election bid.

    He’s not showing the kind of even temperament that would encourage people to vote for him if he ran again in the future.

  109. 109.

    CCL

    November 8, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    Doug, I am in when you put the thermometer for Gillum, Sinema, and Abrams.

  110. 110.

    Schlemazel

    November 8, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    This sort of thing is another reason I am uncomfortable about early/ mail voting.

    Meanwhile moveon got it’s act together and we are currently on our way to the state capital in St. Paul for a rally in defense of Meuller. 24degrees f so we’ll see who the hardy resisters are.

  111. 111.

    JPL

    November 8, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: How reliable is that source, since I’m not seeing it anywhere else. I did read that Rosenstein canceled a planned speech today.

  112. 112.

    C Stars

    November 8, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    @TenguPhule: Right, but Obama was a rational person commenting straightforwardly and in good faith. Which these days the GOP and the media seem to take as a mortal offense. “How dare you assume the intelligence or critical discernment of the electorate?! The Gods of Journalism (i.e. Zuckerberg’s accounting dept.) tell us that everyone just wants to click on wacky Facebook videos, dontcha know?”

  113. 113.

    Yarrow

    November 8, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    He seems totes trustworthy.

    NEW: A year before he took over the Mueller probe, Matt Whitaker declared that there was "no collusion" between Trump and Russia. https://t.co/faDHqSi9uyvia @willsommer @maxwelltani and @woodruffbets— Sam Stein (@samstein) November 8, 2018

  114. 114.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 8, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    @JPL: I don’t know. The tweet came with a picture of the cameras set up, but I suppose that could be for something else.

  115. 115.

    TriassicSands

    November 8, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    @OGLiberal:

    …new Senators don’t get seated 1/1/19.

    As written this statement is correct, but if the actual intention was to say that new senators don’t get seated until 1/1/19, then the statement is incorrect or misleading.

    The new congress will be sworn in on January 3, 2019. They don’t take office on the first.

    So, no, there is no compelling hurry to certify any election unless your hope is to change who the winner will be. But Republicans would never do anything like that. Wait…I’m choking to death…

  116. 116.

    janesays

    November 8, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    @OGLiberal: Actually, it’s 1/3/19. /pedantry

  117. 117.

    TriassicSands

    November 8, 2018 at 5:25 pm

    @Haroldo:

    They are already talking about removing gubernatorial powers during the lame-duck session before Evers is sworn in a la North Carolina.

    Once again Republicans make it clear that they believe in one-party rule.

  118. 118.

    Ithink

    November 8, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    @Tony Jay:
    Your insults are organically hilarious to our political opposition! Much obliged and I co-sign the sentiment.

  119. 119.

    Ithink

    November 8, 2018 at 6:30 pm

    @Ithink:
    Meant to say *orgasmically* above but only for humorous inference!

  120. 120.

    cthulhu

    November 8, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    Sinema just moved into a 1900 vote lead. Not sure if it will hold but at least this is now in the right direction.

  121. 121.

    Mai Naem mobile

    November 8, 2018 at 7:31 pm

    Sinema took very slim lead over McSally. Small yay. Okay more like big sigh of relief.

  122. 122.

    RandyG

    November 8, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    Here’s the Arizona Secy of State page for the Senate race: Current totals

    The page is supposed to be updated at 5pm Mountain each day with the totals as of that point. Thursday’s posting:

    Sinema 916,458 (48.90%)
    McSally 914,481 (48.80%)
    Green 43,067 (2.30%)

    There are other important races listed on that page that also have a chance to flip to Dem compared to the election day totals.

  123. 123.

    janesays

    November 8, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    It would be fucking awesome if the Democrats could knock the GOP senate gains down to just one or two seats. Still inclined to think Florida more likely than not isn’t going to end up in our column (recounts almost never reverse initial results), but Arizona is starting to feel like a real possibility.

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