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Valued commenter delk mentioned this incident in an earlier thread (via Buzzfeed News):

A man was escorted out of a Baltimore theatre Wednesday night after he allegedly yelled “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump” during a performance of Fiddler on the Roof, according to the theatre and an eyewitness.

Rich Scherr, a freelance sportswriter for the Baltimore Sun, told the paper that he witnessed an audience member shouting the Nazi slogan during the intermission of the show at the Hippodrome Theatre…

A spokesperson for the Baltimore Police Department told BuzzFeed News that officers responded to the Hippodrome Theatre on Wednesday night, but the man was not arrested.

“Though reprehensible, his words are considered protected free speech because he did not directly threaten anyone,” the spokesperson said.

Scherr told the Baltimore Sun that after the man yelled “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump,” audience members “started running.”

“I’ll be honest, I was waiting to hear a gunshot I thought, ‘Here we go,’” Scherr said.

TPM is following stories about two Nazi brothers who were connected to the terrorist who murdered 11 in Pittsburgh; one of the brothers killed himself shortly after the synagogue massacre (good riddance), and the other was arrested last week.

TPM also reported that a judge is allowing a lawsuit to proceed against this Nazi douchecanoe who publishes hate speech:

Weird how they’re all wearing MAGA hats, huh?

If we had a real president instead of a peevish demagogue in the White House, maybe that person would see fit to denounce the Nazi creeps in his fan base. But then again, a non-demagogue president wouldn’t attract the support of Nazi scum. Even Javanka’s clever press shop can’t “moderating influence” a way out of this dilemma.

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  2. 2.

    Yutsano

    Even Javanka’s clever press shop can’t “moderating influence” a way out of this dilemma.

    Ugh. Can we fucking put this stupid myth to pasture now? She was never going to be anything but an easy money grubber off government dimes. She probably STILL can’t tell you what her actual job is. And Jared the Spare is so fucking far over his head that I’m waiting for some country to announce he violated diplomatic immunity and he’s not coming home.

  3. 3.

    TenguPhule

    So can I still call them Nazis or should I expect another lecture from others that Trump’s base are not in fact goddamned Nazis?

  4. 4.

    TenguPhule

    @Yutsano:

    Can we fucking put this stupid myth to pasture now?

    i thought the traditional remedy was to shoot it in the head and sell the remains to a glue shop.

  5. 5.

    Corner Stone

    If we had a real president instead of a peevish demagogue in the White House, maybe that person would see fit to denounce the Nazi creeps in his fan base.

    The only Nazi problem Trump has is that there are currently not enough of them (plus sympathizers) in the USA.

  9. 9.

    trollhattan

    @TenguPhule:
    For the last time, it’s harrrrd to attend nazi rallies when the klan keeps so many of them busy with their cluttered schedule. And laundry–separating the browns and whites for individual loads is time-consuming.

  11. 11.

    TenguPhule

    A feel-good tale of a homeless man using his last $20 to help a stranded New Jersey woman buy gas was actually a complete lie, manufactured to get strangers to donate more than $400,000 dollars to help the down-and-out good Samaritan, a prosecutor said today.

    Burlington County prosecutor Scott Coffina announced criminal charges against the couple who told the story to newspapers and television stations along with the homeless man who conspired with them to tell the story.

    He said the money, donated to the homeless man, Johnny Bobbitt, will be refunded to people who saw the story and contributed to him through a GoFundMe page set up by the couple, Mark D’Amico and Katelyn McClure.

    “The entire campaign was predicated on a lie,” Coffina said. “It was fictitious and illegal and there are consequences.”

    New Jersey couple and a homeless man charged in $400K GoFundMe scam

    This is why Gofundme can’t have nice things.

  12. 12.

    TenguPhule

    @trollhattan:

    For the last time, it’s harrrrd to attend nazi rallies when the klan keeps so many of them busy with their cluttered schedule. And laundry–separating the browns and whites for individual loads is time-consuming.

    Well played.

  13. 13.

    Yutsano

    @trollhattan: I have zero issue calling them Nazis, if they so identify themselves as such. Nazi, fascist, white supremacist, all basically different consonant-vowel combinations for the same thing: a racist white person.

  14. 14.

    TenguPhule

    @Yutsano:

    Would you want any sort of byproducts from that?

    I assumed it would be sold as “Trump Glue, for when you really need to stick around.”

  15. 15.

    oldster

    “Weird how they’re all wearing MAGA hats, huh?”

    To Be Perfectly Fair, it should be noted that the guy that Harrison Ford is punching is wearing a German Army cloth cap MAGA hat in one of its earlier color-schemes.

  19. 19.

    TenguPhule

    Senate Republicans to plead with Trump to cut a deal on the wall, keep the government open

    “That’s what we’re going to talk about. That’s what we’ve talked about before, what’s doable. Doable. Not what you want sometimes, what’s doable,” said Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), who will attend the White House meeting along with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the No. 3 Republican.

    Shelby said the message to Trump would be: “Try not to shut the government down, try to avoid that, try to move appropriations.”

    let me predict Trump’s response.

    “You’re not the boss of me!”

  20. 20.

    cokane

    just wanted to note that’s not a TPM story, but an Associated Press (AP) story. Credit where it’s due.

  22. 22.

    rikyrah

    MEDIA ALERT

    The sit-down of the season. @Oprah and @MichelleObama. TONIGHT 8/7c on OWN. Oprah Winfrey Presents: Becoming Michelle Obama #IAmBecoming pic.twitter.com/8guKvBnFy5

    — Oprah Winfrey Network (@OWNTV) November 15, 2018

  23. 23.

    MattF

    Recently finished Richard Evans’ book ‘Lying About Hitler’, about the David Irving trial in Britain. And modern-day Nazism is still a mystery to me.

    Evans is not exactly a prose stylist, but he lays out Irving’s deliberate lies, one at a time– and yeah, for the record, they’re lies. Irving’s motives, besides enjoying the admiration of neonazis, are murky.

  24. 24.

    PJ

    @TenguPhule: A few months back, Cole promoted some guy with a GoFundMe who had some cockamamie tale of woe about not being allowed to work due to a contract job, which sounded like complete BS from a legal standpoint, and, what do you know, after he got some money, that guy never showed up again here.

  26. 26.

    NeenerNeener

    I watched “Wild in the Streets” for the first time about a week ago. I was too young to see it when it came out in ’66, but President Pinocchio would have been about 20, and I swear he must have gotten some (or all) of his weird ideas about how the Presidency works from that movie. Using celebrity to create and excite a base, multiple children by multiple women, exploiting weaknesses in the government election system and dirty tricks to get to the White House, then locking up everybody who can possibly mount a challenge to his power…Max Frost’s playbook sure looks a lot like Trump’s.

    What Trump seems to have missed was that Frost’s Stormtroopers were the villains at the end of the movie, and Frost was ripe to be taken down by disgruntled members of his former base.

  27. 27.

    rikyrah

    Clap clap clap a thousand times….

    ……………

    Dear White People: Please Get the Fuck Out of Michelle Obama’s Pockets

    Damon Young

    There is, I believe, a conversation that could be had about an unease we (black people) might have with the Obamas’ post-White House relationship with money. And not just with money as a tangible object, but in surrounding themselves with it and being ensconced in markers and signifiers of it. The word “Obama” has crossed the threshold from surname to luxury brand—with more cultural cache than Off-White or Balenciaga—where a mere association with the name is enough to crack open rich white people’s piggy banks. And with this new reality—and considering the context of who they are and who we are and who we wanted/needed them to be—I don’t think it’s wrong to possess an ambivalence about how they’re cashing in.

    Buuuuuuuut, whenever that feeling hits me, that perhaps the mid-eight-figure book deals and the $500,000 a plate speeches at brunch on Mars are a little gauche, I’m reminded of the night Barack Obama was elected president. And I remember how anxious I felt during his acceptance speech, fearing that both him and Michelle would be assassinated during it, and I remember how that feeling persisted throughout his presidency. And then I remember America’s reaction to the fucking Beer Summit. And then I remember Joe Wilson screaming “You lie!” at him. And then I remember all of the venom hurled at them, and how the disrespect of them was so ubiquitous that it became sentient, weaponizing into political movements and successful presidential campaigns. And then I think about how they must have felt through all of this. And how they must feel right now when knowing that the America they love so much hates them enough to elect Donald Trump president of it. And when these memories occur, the ambivalence begins to temper, as I’m possessed with the want for them to bleed this entire fucking country dry. If they don’t deserve the opportunity to turn that white-hot bullseye into a book advance, then who the fuck does?

    And with that, I would like to tell Maureen Callahan of the New York Post and any other white person making money by counting the Obamas’ money to back the fuck up, get the fuck out of their pockets, and sit the fuck down. Save your self-righteousness for your Thanksgiving tables and your Patagonia clearance racks. They don’t owe you shit. And don’t pretend to care about what they might owe “the poorest of today’s Chicago” when the only shits you give about poor people or black people are when using them and us as shame-delivery devices.

  31. 31.

    Ryan

    We’re probably going to need an extended period of national deprogramming before this is all over. Shame Obama didn’t Jade Helm US America.

  33. 33.

    TenguPhule

    A man shouted ‘Heil Hitler’ and ‘Heil Trump’ during ‘Fiddler on the Roof’ — and people fled

    Several minutes into intermission during a musical about Jewish traditions, a man stood up, raised his arm in a Nazi salute and started to shout.

    Members of the audience said the man called out “Heil Hitler!” and “Heil Trump!” at the Wednesday-night performance of “Fiddler on the Roof” at Hippodrome Theatre in Baltimore.

    “People started running,” Rich Scherr, who was in the audience, told The Washington Post. “The next thing I expected to hear was gunshots, frankly.”

    The incident occurred just weeks after 11 people were gunned down at Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh in the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history.

    But I’m sure there are fine people on both sides. ////S

  34. 34.

    eclare

    @rikyrah: They deserve to make as much money as they want to. I also can’t believe that they have survived unscathed (knocks wood).

  35. 35.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    @Yutsano: Some of them may deny they are Nazis, but there friends don’t seem to call them that. Speaking of which how that Gillum recount is going? As well as Stacy Abrams?

  36. 36.

    TenguPhule

    A researcher studied 400,000 knitters and discovered what turns a hobby into a business

    File under “People with far too much time on their hands.”

  37. 37.

    trollhattan

    @rikyrah:
    Wish Bob Dole and other Republican politicians who served in Europe were here to set these yahoos straight. Now it’s like that period was just a big misunderstanding.

  38. 38.

    TenguPhule

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Speaking of which how that Gillum recount is going? As well as Stacy Abrams?

    Still in recount. You’ll know when they’ve stopped when Twitler starts screaming about Democratic vote fraud again.

  41. 41.

    MattF

    @eclare: I remember when Biden was selected for VP– my reaction was that he’d make an OK president. I’m still taken aback that the O’s survived two terms.

  42. 42.

    TenguPhule

    Rick Scott is freaking out about the possible hand recount and demanding Nelson concede.

    This should be fun.

  47. 47.

    TenguPhule

    @JPL:

    I thought that they finished the recount at three and now we are just waiting for the results. hmmm

    That’s the machine recount.

    It looks like the margin is so close that they’ll have to proceed to the next step, hand count of individual ballots to compare against the machines.

    Like I said, should be fun.

  51. 51.

    Aleta

    As part of a broader plan to weaken the Endangered Species Act, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has made a request to destroy his department’s records on which animals are protected under the act, per the nonprofit DC Report.
    Although it has yet to be verified, an email from Stanford librarian James R. Jacob posted on the subreddit for progressive podcast Chapo Trap House suggests that the request is part of the Interior Department’s larger proposed purge of Interior records, which also includes records about oil and gas leases, timber sales, dams and land purchases, as DC Report also notes.
    Those records would be transferred to the National Archives, which would make it more difficult for Americans to access under the Freedom of Information Act. The full text of the Interior Department’s request, although unverified, was posted on the website AltGov 2, whose writer Russ Kick characterizes it as “a massive, department-wide request,” and mentions that the deadline for public comments at the National Archives & Records Administration has been extended to Nov. 26.

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/10/trumps-interior-secretary-plans-to-destroy-departm.html

    in September, Zinke also hired Robert Gordon, a conservative think-tank alum who in a recent report baselessly claimed that the act cost the country hundreds of billions of dollars, for a senior post in the Interior.
    Still, Zinke’s Interior Department faced a major defeat later that month, as over 200 Native American tribes convinced a district court judge to overturn Zinke’s decision to de-list the Yellowstone grizzly bear, which is considered a sacred animal across the U.S. Zinke’s move would have opened up the grizzly bear for trophy hunts, an offensive practice to many Native Americans.

    Public comment deadline Nov. 26.
    Email To: [email protected]
    Subject line: DAA-0048-2015-0003

  52. 52.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Trump has named an Ambassador to South Africa. She’s a handbag designer and a Mar-a-Lago member, and she has this in common with her new boss:

    But Marks is also known for stiffing those who work for her, the Palm Beach Daily News reported last month when rumors of the impending appointment cropped up. She has been accused of underpaying attorneys, accountants, landlords and employees, the outlet stated, and is involved in a legal battle with her siblings over the care of their elderly mother.

    Source HuffPo

  53. 53.

    eemom

    @rikyrah:

    And with that, I would like to tell Maureen Callahan of the New York Post and any other white person making money by counting the Obamas’ money to back the fuck up, get the fuck out of their pockets, and sit the fuck down. Save your self-righteousness for your Thanksgiving tables and your Patagonia clearance racks. They don’t owe you shit. And don’t pretend to care about what they might owe “the poorest of today’s Chicago” when the only shits you give about poor people or black people are when using them and us as shame-delivery devices.

    YES.

    Also, while I totally get the gun terror, I SO wish the people in the Fiddler audience had mobbed that scumbag and beaten the shit out of him.

  54. 54.

    JPL

    Laura Rozen has an interesting story to tell …A friend overheard McConnell talking at a restaurant this was one of the comments

    McConnell’s last comment, according to the friend of contact was, “When they ousted the Kaiser, they got Hitler.” 6/6

    I think McConnell is Hindenburg and Ryan is Schleicher, but who’s the kaiser?
    @lrozen

  56. 56.

    Cermet

    @Ryan: Those were russians, by the way; the Nazi’s were defeated by Russians before Americans soldiers even meet any germans (ignore sub warfare, of course.)

  57. 57.

    The Moar You Know

    Wish Bob Dole and other Republican politicians who served in Europe were here to set these yahoos straight.

    @trollhattan: My grandfather spent several years of his life shooting Nazis. He then spent the rest of his life being a cop and drinking on the downtime.

    Bad thing is, I am dead certain he would have voted for Trump. In a second.

  60. 60.

    TenguPhule

    @Cermet:

    the Nazi’s were defeated by Russians

    Technically it was the weather and the fact that Russia simply had more bodies to clog the meatgrinder with then the Germans had. Several million more.

  61. 61.

    Platonailedit

    Reuters: FLORIDA U.S. SENATE CONTEST HEADED TOWARD HAND RECOUNT, RESULTS TOO CLOSE TO CALL -STATE ELECTION WEBSITE— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 15, 2018

    So, any time now? #result

  62. 62.

    Nina

    We saw the Tuesday show. It’s nicely staged, the woman who plays Chava has a great voice. I have perhaps seen the show too often; my son thought Tevye was amazing and funny and great, I wasn’t quite as impressed. The exodus at the end is really evocatively staged. Made me think of the migrant caravan. Too bad the man couldn’t stand to watch and understand the whole show, he might have learned something.

  63. 63.

    Roger Moore

    @JPL:

    McConnell’s last comment, according to the friend of contact was, “When they ousted the Kaiser, they got Hitler.”

    Which is bullshit. When they ousted the Kaiser, they got the Weimar Republic. It was when a bunch of rich conservatives thought it would be better to have a fascist they could control than to let the socialists take control that they wound up with Hitler. But McConnell definitely doesn’t want to think about that.

  66. 66.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @eemom:

    They don’t owe you shit.

    The Obamas don’t owe any of us shit. They gave, and were treated disgracefully for it. We have no right to expect anything from them whatsoever anymore, and should be damned grateful if they so much as give the country a friendly wave.

  69. 69.

    TenguPhule

    @Jay:

    NBC and other’s are reporting that the Trumpies want to trade Gullen to Ergodan, to get Ergodan to drop the case against Mohammed Bone Saw,

    Abducting a man on US soil to send him to die by torture in Turkey is asking for blowback.

  71. 71.

    Ladyraxterinok

    @MattF: I was teaching 1st year college German when the Irving trial was going on. Some of the students got really involved. One reported nearly every day on what he had found on the internet about the trial and Irving. A year later he was still following Irving.

    Evans started his career in German history by studying aspects of the Women’s Movement in Germany. In the 80s I attended a small conference where he presented a paper.

  72. 72.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @TenguPhule:
    According to the story, the administration asked the actual department people who know and do things how to do it, and first got laughed at, then got yelled at. There at least is no sign there that Gullen will actually be traded.

  73. 73.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Roger Moore:

    Is she going to change her mind when she hears Apartheid ended decades ago?

    She might try to bring it back. She was born and brought up in South Africa, so ALL her formative years were spent on the white side of the mandated racial divide.

    According to Wikipedia, her father was a property developer. Hmmmm.

    I hope Trevor Noah will have a pungent take on this appointment.

  74. 74.

    Yutsano

    @Jay:

    NBC and other’s are reporting that the Trumpies want to trade Gullen to Ergodan, to get Ergodan to drop the case against Mohammed Bone Saw

    This is going to sound like a REALLLLLLLY dumb question but indulge me.

    Ahem.

    What the fuck does giving Erdoğan his most hated enemy have anything to do with the leverage he now has on one of his biggest rivals for the soul of Islam?

  75. 75.

    debbie

    @TenguPhule:

    Has anyone asked him why he didn’t fix this during the 8 years he sat in the governor’s chair? He ought to be held accountable for this mess.

  77. 77.

    debbie

    @Yutsano:

    He really, really wants Gullen. This is probably the only thing that would tempt him away from MBS. I hate to think what Trump will be getting if this goes through.

  78. 78.

    JPL

    @Roger Moore: That sounds like McConnell and Ryan to me, but I agree with you that Mitch didn’t know what he was talking about. I have limited knowledge and his comment didn’t make sense.

  79. 79.

    Mnemosyne

    @MattF:

    Irving’s motives, besides enjoying the admiration of neonazis, are murky.

    Being a contrarian makes people feel like they’re smarter than they actually are and gets them outsized attention compared to people who do actual research. Plus Irving is a racist, so it wasn’t a long journey to the Nazi-defending side for him.

  80. 80.

    schrodingers_cat

    When is the election for the speaker of the House. And is it just me or does anyone else find Josh Marshall’s writing as clear as mud? He beats around the bush and takes forever to come to the point. See for example, his articles about Pelosi.

  81. 81.

    Jay

    @Yutsano:

    The Sawdi’s would probably toss in a big wad of cash as well.

    The US might toss in some tanks and stuff, maybe the deed to the Irbil Province of Syria.

    Ergodan doesn’t care much about “Islam” or “souls”.

    Sawdi Arabia is a regional compeditor, and sometimes ally of Turkey.

    It does illustrate that the Trumpies think that everything is purely transactional.

  82. 82.

    boatboy_srq

    @TenguPhule: Comment posted elsewhere on the event: So, the most fear-inducing part of the experience is not the banality of creeping (or do I mean leaping?) fascism, it’s the (routine) expectation that such an outburst would naturally be accompanied by (probably semiautomatic) gunfire?

    @rikyrah: The US’ fixation on wealth (the accumulation and use thereof, and its association with status and individual worth) has solid underpinnings, and each and every one is about how mere living eats you for breakfast. I would never begrudge anyone I respected making money for being that which earned him/her that respect. I will admit that I wasn’t always this way: if you asked me a quarter century ago, I would have been aghast at the crassness of the thing. Seven years spent watching a parent’s seven-figure nestegg get swallowed whole by spiralling eldercare expenses long before she passed has a way of changing one’s view of earned wealth. Here’s one white boy who thinks the Obamas deserve every cent they are paid for their presentation of solid virtues and of practical, responsible governance, and for their forbearance in the face of near-nationwide bigotry and hostility hurled at them just for being who and what they are. This especially since they have already given every US resident more than they have taken even ignoring their charity work (which I understand is significant). They may not need, and may never be able to spend, all of that wealth; but then again my parents never thought that their savings and investments would be insufficient to their needs, and that proved the case sooner than any of us might have guessed when they were busy saving for the future.

  84. 84.

    Elroy's Lunch

    This happened at the Potters House? That was built by my old church and I was there for the opening day. Pastor Gordon Cosby who was awarded a Silver Star administering to the dying on Normandy Beach has to be turning over in his grave.

  85. 85.

    boatboy_srq

    @JPL: @TenguPhule: Palm Beach’s voting machines overheated during the first recount process. Infrastructure spending may not be glamorous but it sure beats the alternatives.

  87. 87.

    Fair Economist

    @Roger Moore:

    When they ousted the Kaiser, they got the Weimar Republic. It was when a bunch of rich conservatives thought it would be better to have a fascist they could control than to let the socialists take control that they wound up with Hitler. But McConnell definitely doesn’t want to think about that.

    Yeah, the right wing loves to blame Hitler on things that weren’t responsible for him. The hyperinflation of the very early 20’s is also a favorite target when the real economic crisis that helped him to power was the Depression. The only way that the hyperinflation helped bring him to power was that it made the mainstream parties were terrified of deficits and printing money and that worsened the Depression in Germany. Once Hitler got control he fired up the money printing presses and got Germany out of the Depression relatively early, which gave him an advantage when war broke out.

    But how often does a right winger say that inadequate government stimulus helped Hitler to power so we need to be cautious about austerity? Never, of course.

  90. 90.

    SiubhanDuinne

    In Gwinnett County, GA, officials are, at this very moment, counting ballots in the 7th CD race between incumbent R Rob Woodall and D challenger Carolyn Bourdeaux. At last count, Woodall was ahead by only ~500 votes. Trying to stay positive and optimistic while still reality-based.

    Update: no vote totals change in the first two districts they counted; on to the next two. Have no idea how long this is likely to take.

  91. 91.

    Kay

    @emilymbadger
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    “There’s plenty of really competent females that we can replace her with.”
    Tim Ryan on Nancy Pelosi:

    He’s horrible. If he’s any indication of what we’re getting without Pelosi we’re all in trouble.

  92. 92.

    Mnemosyne

    @Yutsano:

    I DO NOW!

    (Actually, since I’m still getting over my cold, I will be DVRing it and watching it tomorrow. No spoilers, guys!)

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @schrodingers_cat:

    When is the election for the speaker of the House.

    January 3, 2019, the first day the new Congress is in session.

    I wanna see Nancy SMASH! sitting up there behind Trump next to The Senatortoise during the next SotU.

  96. 96.

    Origuy

    @Cermet:

    the Nazi’s were defeated by Russians before Americans soldiers even meet any germans

    The 1st Armored Division says hello from North Africa.

  97. 97.

    Yutsano

    @Kay: Name names or GTFO Ryan.

    (Yes I fully recognise the misogynist smarm in his comment. But surely he can be pressed to name someone else.)

  98. 98.

    Roger Moore

    @Fair Economist:

    Yeah, the right wing loves to blame Hitler on things that weren’t responsible for him.

    That seems like a fair summary. As I see it, they see Hitler’s rise as a natural response to the institutional weakness of the Weimar Republic. That’s great for them, because it A) gives them an excuse criticize the WR and B) it makes Hitler the liberals’ fault, not theirs. Because they see Hitler as the result of the WR’s institutional failure, they don’t feel a need to draw a direct causal link between specific WR failures and Hitler; just pointing out that the WR failed is enough to justify blaming it.

  99. 99.

    JPL

    @Roger Moore: Wasn’t one the reasons the WR failed was because of lack of support for his policy changes which would have helped? Truthfully I’m just pleased I know a little more than Mitch and that’s not saying a lot.

  100. 100.

    Mnemosyne

    @Yutsano:

    Apparently Rep. Marcia Fudge said she would run against Pelosi for Ryan’s faction.

    Fudge is one of only 2 Democratic representatives who refused to co-sponsor an LGBT civil rights bill. (Not sure who the other one is.) So, yeah, she’s not exactly the voice of the progressives in the Democratic Party.

  103. 103.

    Roger Moore

    @JPL:
    The WR had a lot of problems. Like many parliamentary republics with proportional representation, it had a hard time getting a majority government, so it had a series of coalitions and minority governments. It also had difficult relations with its neighbors because of lingering bad blood from WWI. Most important, though, is that it had large blocs at both extremes of the political spectrum (Communists and Nazis) who wanted the Republic to fail so they could replace it. The economic problems from the Great Depression were the proximate cause of its failure, but the entrenched resistance to having a democratic government at all were the underlying cause.

  106. 106.

    The Pale Scot

    @rikyrah:
    All I ask of the Obama’s is that they start an investment group, the group purchases the Marriott Essex House or the Park Hyatt hotel on 59th St off Central Park NYC and they rename it The Obama’s. Build a great club/discotheque connected to a small theater and watch the swells pack it every night. Offer free limo service from the Creature’s properties and make sure that the performers and the buzz hit CNN Every Fucking Night. And buy Fredo’s 666 property at the bankruptcy proceeding and turn it into a parking garage/support area for Obama’s Americana Cafe. Their Slogan, “Come as You Are”

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @rikyrah: I bought Michelle’s book. It arrived on Tuesday. I plan to get the audio book too, so I can hear it in her own voice. I’m happy to put a few shekels in their pockets, they more than deserve it.

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    sdhays

    @TenguPhule:

    Senate Republicans to plead with Trump to cut a deal on the wall, keep the government open

    It will be interesting seeing how Spankee and his Republican Senators grapple with Pelosi’s House and impending doom in the 2020 elections. I’m not making predictions, but conventional wisdom now is that the Republican majority in the Senate is seriously imperiled and it should now be clear to everyone, including Spankee himself, that he’s not exactly favored for reelection either. Whether that materializes or not, it will create even more pressure in their already love/hate relationship. Will McConnell eventually be forced to send an agreement with the House to Spankee even if he threatens to veto it and force Spankee to choose between accepting the agreement without his demands or veto and take the blame for the government shutdown?

    It would be almost fun to watch if the stakes weren’t so dire.

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    sdhays

    @Mnemosyne: At least she has found the courage to put her name in the hat. That’s a damn sight more than the other whiny-ass jackoffs. Let the caucus choose between them and be done with it.

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