Valued commenter delk mentioned this incident in an earlier thread (via Buzzfeed News):
A man was escorted out of a Baltimore theatre Wednesday night after he allegedly yelled “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump” during a performance of Fiddler on the Roof, according to the theatre and an eyewitness.
Rich Scherr, a freelance sportswriter for the Baltimore Sun, told the paper that he witnessed an audience member shouting the Nazi slogan during the intermission of the show at the Hippodrome Theatre…
A spokesperson for the Baltimore Police Department told BuzzFeed News that officers responded to the Hippodrome Theatre on Wednesday night, but the man was not arrested.
“Though reprehensible, his words are considered protected free speech because he did not directly threaten anyone,” the spokesperson said.
Scherr told the Baltimore Sun that after the man yelled “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump,” audience members “started running.”
“I’ll be honest, I was waiting to hear a gunshot I thought, ‘Here we go,’” Scherr said.
TPM is following stories about two Nazi brothers who were connected to the terrorist who murdered 11 in Pittsburgh; one of the brothers killed himself shortly after the synagogue massacre (good riddance), and the other was arrested last week.
Here are photos I snapped at the book event, a talk on “Fascist Creep” at @PottersHouseDC, of Jeffrey Raph Clark (collared shirt) and his brother Edward, who committed suicide a few weeks ago, hours after the Philadelphia #TreeofLife terrorist attack. @phscoop pic.twitter.com/vmnA1bI8vP
— Lacy MacAuley (@lacymacauley) November 14, 2018
TPM also reported that a judge is allowing a lawsuit to proceed against this Nazi douchecanoe who publishes hate speech:
Weird how they’re all wearing MAGA hats, huh?
If we had a real president instead of a peevish demagogue in the White House, maybe that person would see fit to denounce the Nazi creeps in his fan base. But then again, a non-demagogue president wouldn’t attract the support of Nazi scum. Even Javanka’s clever press shop can’t “moderating influence” a way out of this dilemma.
Jack the Second
Are MAGA hats unusually large, or do those guys just have like small heads?
Yutsano
Ugh. Can we fucking put this stupid myth to pasture now? She was never going to be anything but an easy money grubber off government dimes. She probably STILL can’t tell you what her actual job is. And Jared the Spare is so fucking far over his head that I’m waiting for some country to announce he violated diplomatic immunity and he’s not coming home.
TenguPhule
So can I still call them Nazis or should I expect another lecture from others that Trump’s base are not in fact goddamned Nazis?
TenguPhule
@Yutsano:
i thought the traditional remedy was to shoot it in the head and sell the remains to a glue shop.
Corner Stone
The only Nazi problem Trump has is that there are currently not enough of them (plus sympathizers) in the USA.
David Hunt
@Jack the Second:
I just assumed that there heads appeared small because they’d shaved all their hair off.
TenguPhule
@Jack the Second:
Yes.
Yutsano
@TenguPhule: Look at the base material. Would you want any sort of byproducts from that?
trollhattan
@TenguPhule:
For the last time, it’s harrrrd to attend nazi rallies when the klan keeps so many of them busy with their cluttered schedule. And laundry–separating the browns and whites for individual loads is time-consuming.
Ruckus
@David Hunt:
Nah, their heads srunk to fit their brain development. Which stopped at fucking stupid and hateful.
TenguPhule
New Jersey couple and a homeless man charged in $400K GoFundMe scam
This is why Gofundme can’t have nice things.
TenguPhule
@trollhattan:
Well played.
Yutsano
@trollhattan: I have zero issue calling them Nazis, if they so identify themselves as such. Nazi, fascist, white supremacist, all basically different consonant-vowel combinations for the same thing: a racist white person.
TenguPhule
@Yutsano:
I assumed it would be sold as “Trump Glue, for when you really need to stick around.”
oldster
“Weird how they’re all wearing MAGA hats, huh?”
To Be Perfectly Fair, it should be noted that the guy that Harrison Ford is punching is wearing a
German Army cloth capMAGA hat in one of its earlier color-schemes.Sister Golden Bear
@TenguPhule: I’m not saying they’re Nazis, I’m just saying that Nazis think they’re fellow Nazis…
Just Chuck
@Yutsano:
Incidentally, neither does Mike Godwin. Yunno, of Godwin’s Law.
Yutsano
@Sister Golden Bear: *slow clap* Well played!
@Just Chuck: Heh. Yeah I remember reading that. I think he lost a few supporters on the 4Chan forums after that.
Wait no the REALLY bad one is 8Chan.
TenguPhule
Senate Republicans to plead with Trump to cut a deal on the wall, keep the government open
let me predict Trump’s response.
“You’re not the boss of me!”
cokane
just wanted to note that’s not a TPM story, but an Associated Press (AP) story. Credit where it’s due.
trollhattan
O/T That’ll buff right out: This is what your truck looks like after driving it through a fire.
rikyrah
MEDIA ALERT
The sit-down of the season. @Oprah and @MichelleObama. TONIGHT 8/7c on OWN. Oprah Winfrey Presents: Becoming Michelle Obama #IAmBecoming pic.twitter.com/8guKvBnFy5
— Oprah Winfrey Network (@OWNTV) November 15, 2018
MattF
Recently finished Richard Evans’ book ‘Lying About Hitler’, about the David Irving trial in Britain. And modern-day Nazism is still a mystery to me.
Evans is not exactly a prose stylist, but he lays out Irving’s deliberate lies, one at a time– and yeah, for the record, they’re lies. Irving’s motives, besides enjoying the admiration of neonazis, are murky.
PJ
@TenguPhule: A few months back, Cole promoted some guy with a GoFundMe who had some cockamamie tale of woe about not being allowed to work due to a contract job, which sounded like complete BS from a legal standpoint, and, what do you know, after he got some money, that guy never showed up again here.
eclare
@rikyrah: OOOH, thanks for the alert!
NeenerNeener
I watched “Wild in the Streets” for the first time about a week ago. I was too young to see it when it came out in ’66, but President Pinocchio would have been about 20, and I swear he must have gotten some (or all) of his weird ideas about how the Presidency works from that movie. Using celebrity to create and excite a base, multiple children by multiple women, exploiting weaknesses in the government election system and dirty tricks to get to the White House, then locking up everybody who can possibly mount a challenge to his power…Max Frost’s playbook sure looks a lot like Trump’s.
What Trump seems to have missed was that Frost’s Stormtroopers were the villains at the end of the movie, and Frost was ripe to be taken down by disgruntled members of his former base.
rikyrah
Clap clap clap a thousand times….
……………
Dear White People: Please Get the Fuck Out of Michelle Obama’s Pockets
Damon Young
There is, I believe, a conversation that could be had about an unease we (black people) might have with the Obamas’ post-White House relationship with money. And not just with money as a tangible object, but in surrounding themselves with it and being ensconced in markers and signifiers of it. The word “Obama” has crossed the threshold from surname to luxury brand—with more cultural cache than Off-White or Balenciaga—where a mere association with the name is enough to crack open rich white people’s piggy banks. And with this new reality—and considering the context of who they are and who we are and who we wanted/needed them to be—I don’t think it’s wrong to possess an ambivalence about how they’re cashing in.
Buuuuuuuut, whenever that feeling hits me, that perhaps the mid-eight-figure book deals and the $500,000 a plate speeches at brunch on Mars are a little gauche, I’m reminded of the night Barack Obama was elected president. And I remember how anxious I felt during his acceptance speech, fearing that both him and Michelle would be assassinated during it, and I remember how that feeling persisted throughout his presidency. And then I remember America’s reaction to the fucking Beer Summit. And then I remember Joe Wilson screaming “You lie!” at him. And then I remember all of the venom hurled at them, and how the disrespect of them was so ubiquitous that it became sentient, weaponizing into political movements and successful presidential campaigns. And then I think about how they must have felt through all of this. And how they must feel right now when knowing that the America they love so much hates them enough to elect Donald Trump president of it. And when these memories occur, the ambivalence begins to temper, as I’m possessed with the want for them to bleed this entire fucking country dry. If they don’t deserve the opportunity to turn that white-hot bullseye into a book advance, then who the fuck does?
And with that, I would like to tell Maureen Callahan of the New York Post and any other white person making money by counting the Obamas’ money to back the fuck up, get the fuck out of their pockets, and sit the fuck down. Save your self-righteousness for your Thanksgiving tables and your Patagonia clearance racks. They don’t owe you shit. And don’t pretend to care about what they might owe “the poorest of today’s Chicago” when the only shits you give about poor people or black people are when using them and us as shame-delivery devices.
rikyrah
The only good Nazi is a dead one.
This was really settled, Dear. Check years 1939-1945.
rikyrah
Another MEDIA ALERT:
Forever FLOTUS will also be on Jimmy Kimmel to night with Lin-Manuel Miranda :)
TenguPhule
@rikyrah:
We are condemned to have to live through the same mistakes again.
Ryan
We’re probably going to need an extended period of national deprogramming before this is all over. Shame Obama didn’t Jade Helm US America.
Yutsano
@rikyrah: WELL THEN…I think we all know what Mnemosyne will be doing tonight…
TenguPhule
A man shouted ‘Heil Hitler’ and ‘Heil Trump’ during ‘Fiddler on the Roof’ — and people fled
But I’m sure there are fine people on both sides. ////S
eclare
@rikyrah: They deserve to make as much money as they want to. I also can’t believe that they have survived unscathed (knocks wood).
Mr Stagger Lee
@Yutsano: Some of them may deny they are Nazis, but there friends don’t seem to call them that. Speaking of which how that Gillum recount is going? As well as Stacy Abrams?
TenguPhule
File under “People with far too much time on their hands.”
trollhattan
@rikyrah:
Wish Bob Dole and other Republican politicians who served in Europe were here to set these yahoos straight. Now it’s like that period was just a big misunderstanding.
TenguPhule
@Mr Stagger Lee:
Still in recount. You’ll know when they’ve stopped when Twitler starts screaming about Democratic vote fraud again.
Mr Stagger Lee
@rikyrah: MIC DROP!!!!
A Ghost To Most
@Yutsano: Never ignore the religious component of all this. They are christian fascists.
MattF
@eclare: I remember when Biden was selected for VP– my reaction was that he’d make an OK president. I’m still taken aback that the O’s survived two terms.
TenguPhule
Rick Scott is freaking out about the possible hand recount and demanding Nelson concede.
This should be fun.
M. Bouffant
@Yutsano: Didn’t John Kelly say Ivanka & Jared were “playing at government”?
JPL
@TenguPhule: I thought that they finished the recount at three and now we are just waiting for the results. hmmm
A Ghost To Most
@trollhattan:
Nice. If my life depends on my vehicle, I want that vehicle to be a Toyota.
Ryan
@TenguPhule: Or! We could be the Greatest Generation II!
TenguPhule
@JPL:
That’s the machine recount.
It looks like the margin is so close that they’ll have to proceed to the next step, hand count of individual ballots to compare against the machines.
Like I said, should be fun.
JPL
@Ryan: What is the time table for that count? Thank you for the info
David Evans
@rikyrah: I wasn’t aware of Maureen Callahan et al., but damn, that’s a good piece of writing.
M. Bouffant
When I saw that headline I was confused; I thought Trump had been hiding in the Executive Mansion, not going to the theater.
Aleta
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/10/trumps-interior-secretary-plans-to-destroy-departm.html
Public comment deadline Nov. 26.
Email To: [email protected]
Subject line: DAA-0048-2015-0003
SiubhanDuinne
Trump has named an Ambassador to South Africa. She’s a handbag designer and a Mar-a-Lago member, and she has this in common with her new boss:
Source HuffPo
eemom
@rikyrah:
YES.
Also, while I totally get the gun terror, I SO wish the people in the Fiddler audience had mobbed that scumbag and beaten the shit out of him.
JPL
Laura Rozen has an interesting story to tell …A friend overheard McConnell talking at a restaurant this was one of the comments
I think McConnell is Hindenburg and Ryan is Schleicher, but who’s the kaiser?
@lrozen
Jack the Second
@TenguPhule:
Cermet
@Ryan: Those were russians, by the way; the Nazi’s were defeated by Russians before Americans soldiers even meet any germans (ignore sub warfare, of course.)
The Moar You Know
@trollhattan: My grandfather spent several years of his life shooting Nazis. He then spent the rest of his life being a cop and drinking on the downtime.
Bad thing is, I am dead certain he would have voted for Trump. In a second.
Mike in NC
If one can’t easily acquire a swastika armband, a MAGA hat will work just fine.
Roger Moore
@SiubhanDuinne:
Is she going to change her mind when she hears Apartheid ended decades ago?
TenguPhule
@Cermet:
Technically it was the weather and the fact that Russia simply had more bodies to clog the meatgrinder with then the Germans had. Several million more.
Platonailedit
So, any time now? #result
Nina
We saw the Tuesday show. It’s nicely staged, the woman who plays Chava has a great voice. I have perhaps seen the show too often; my son thought Tevye was amazing and funny and great, I wasn’t quite as impressed. The exodus at the end is really evocatively staged. Made me think of the migrant caravan. Too bad the man couldn’t stand to watch and understand the whole show, he might have learned something.
Roger Moore
@JPL:
Which is bullshit. When they ousted the Kaiser, they got the Weimar Republic. It was when a bunch of rich conservatives thought it would be better to have a fascist they could control than to let the socialists take control that they wound up with Hitler. But McConnell definitely doesn’t want to think about that.
opiejeanne
@trollhattan: Bob Dole is still with us, but he’s 95. Probably doesn’t get out much these days.
JR
@trollhattan: Service in WWI didn’t set Pierre Laval or Philippe Petain straight
Frankensteinbeck
@eemom:
The Obamas don’t owe any of us shit. They gave, and were treated disgracefully for it. We have no right to expect anything from them whatsoever anymore, and should be damned grateful if they so much as give the country a friendly wave.
John Fremont
@eemom: Or done what Brad Pitt does in Inglorious Bastards and slit a swastika into his forehead.
Jay
NBC and other’s are reporting that the Trumpies want to trade Gullen to Ergodan, to get Ergodan to drop the case against Mohammed Bone Saw,
So the US can keep selling bombs to the Sawdi’s with which to kill Yemeni schoolkids.
Wonkette covers it in detail, including Meuller side notes.
https://www.wonkette.com/mohammad-bone-saw-strikes-again
TenguPhule
@Jay:
Abducting a man on US soil to send him to die by torture in Turkey is asking for blowback.
TenguPhule
And here we go again.
Ladyraxterinok
@MattF: I was teaching 1st year college German when the Irving trial was going on. Some of the students got really involved. One reported nearly every day on what he had found on the internet about the trial and Irving. A year later he was still following Irving.
Evans started his career in German history by studying aspects of the Women’s Movement in Germany. In the 80s I attended a small conference where he presented a paper.
Frankensteinbeck
@TenguPhule:
According to the story, the administration asked the actual department people who know and do things how to do it, and first got laughed at, then got yelled at. There at least is no sign there that Gullen will actually be traded.
SiubhanDuinne
@Roger Moore:
She might try to bring it back. She was born and brought up in South Africa, so ALL her formative years were spent on the white side of the mandated racial divide.
According to Wikipedia, her father was a property developer. Hmmmm.
I hope Trevor Noah will have a pungent take on this appointment.
Yutsano
@Jay:
This is going to sound like a REALLLLLLLY dumb question but indulge me.
Ahem.
What the fuck does giving Erdoğan his most hated enemy have anything to do with the leverage he now has on one of his biggest rivals for the soul of Islam?
debbie
@TenguPhule:
Has anyone asked him why he didn’t fix this during the 8 years he sat in the governor’s chair? He ought to be held accountable for this mess.
eemom
@opiejeanne:
At least he’s stopped doing Vi*gra commercials. #ew
debbie
@Yutsano:
He really, really wants Gullen. This is probably the only thing that would tempt him away from MBS. I hate to think what Trump will be getting if this goes through.
JPL
@Roger Moore: That sounds like McConnell and Ryan to me, but I agree with you that Mitch didn’t know what he was talking about. I have limited knowledge and his comment didn’t make sense.
Mnemosyne
@MattF:
Being a contrarian makes people feel like they’re smarter than they actually are and gets them outsized attention compared to people who do actual research. Plus Irving is a racist, so it wasn’t a long journey to the Nazi-defending side for him.
schrodingers_cat
When is the election for the speaker of the House. And is it just me or does anyone else find Josh Marshall’s writing as clear as mud? He beats around the bush and takes forever to come to the point. See for example, his articles about Pelosi.
Jay
@Yutsano:
The Sawdi’s would probably toss in a big wad of cash as well.
The US might toss in some tanks and stuff, maybe the deed to the Irbil Province of Syria.
Ergodan doesn’t care much about “Islam” or “souls”.
Sawdi Arabia is a regional compeditor, and sometimes ally of Turkey.
It does illustrate that the Trumpies think that everything is purely transactional.
boatboy_srq
@TenguPhule: Comment posted elsewhere on the event: So, the most fear-inducing part of the experience is not the banality of creeping (or do I mean leaping?) fascism, it’s the (routine) expectation that such an outburst would naturally be accompanied by (probably semiautomatic) gunfire?
@rikyrah: The US’ fixation on wealth (the accumulation and use thereof, and its association with status and individual worth) has solid underpinnings, and each and every one is about how mere living eats you for breakfast. I would never begrudge anyone I respected making money for being that which earned him/her that respect. I will admit that I wasn’t always this way: if you asked me a quarter century ago, I would have been aghast at the crassness of the thing. Seven years spent watching a parent’s seven-figure nestegg get swallowed whole by spiralling eldercare expenses long before she passed has a way of changing one’s view of earned wealth. Here’s one white boy who thinks the Obamas deserve every cent they are paid for their presentation of solid virtues and of practical, responsible governance, and for their forbearance in the face of near-nationwide bigotry and hostility hurled at them just for being who and what they are. This especially since they have already given every US resident more than they have taken even ignoring their charity work (which I understand is significant). They may not need, and may never be able to spend, all of that wealth; but then again my parents never thought that their savings and investments would be insufficient to their needs, and that proved the case sooner than any of us might have guessed when they were busy saving for the future.
boatboy_srq
@SiubhanDuinne: Such a lovely tRumpet.
Elroy's Lunch
This happened at the Potters House? That was built by my old church and I was there for the opening day. Pastor Gordon Cosby who was awarded a Silver Star administering to the dying on Normandy Beach has to be turning over in his grave.
boatboy_srq
@JPL: @TenguPhule: Palm Beach’s voting machines overheated during the first recount process. Infrastructure spending may not be glamorous but it sure beats the alternatives.
MJS
@schrodingers_cat: It’s not just you and it’s one of the reasons I don’t pay for his “extra” content.
Fair Economist
@Roger Moore:
Yeah, the right wing loves to blame Hitler on things that weren’t responsible for him. The hyperinflation of the very early 20’s is also a favorite target when the real economic crisis that helped him to power was the Depression. The only way that the hyperinflation helped bring him to power was that it made the mainstream parties were terrified of deficits and printing money and that worsened the Depression in Germany. Once Hitler got control he fired up the money printing presses and got Germany out of the Depression relatively early, which gave him an advantage when war broke out.
But how often does a right winger say that inadequate government stimulus helped Hitler to power so we need to be cautious about austerity? Never, of course.
Roger Moore
@JPL:
I assume he was saying that getting rid of Trump would just bring in somebody worse.
Ksmiami
@rikyrah: exactly my point and exactly why this current gop iteration must be smashed completely into powder.
SiubhanDuinne
In Gwinnett County, GA, officials are, at this very moment, counting ballots in the 7th CD race between incumbent R Rob Woodall and D challenger Carolyn Bourdeaux. At last count, Woodall was ahead by only ~500 votes. Trying to stay positive and optimistic while still reality-based.
Update: no vote totals change in the first two districts they counted; on to the next two. Have no idea how long this is likely to take.
Kay
He’s horrible. If he’s any indication of what we’re getting without Pelosi we’re all in trouble.
Mnemosyne
@Yutsano:
I DO NOW!
(Actually, since I’m still getting over my cold, I will be DVRing it and watching it tomorrow. No spoilers, guys!)
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodingers_cat:
January 3, 2019, the first day the new Congress is in session.
I wanna see Nancy SMASH! sitting up there behind Trump next to The Senatortoise during the next SotU.
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
She said in a press conference today that she has the votes she needs, and Nancy never messes up a count. Everything else is posturing.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Get the ENTIRE Phuck.outta.here
Origuy
@Cermet:
The 1st Armored Division says hello from North Africa.
Yutsano
@Kay: Name names or GTFO Ryan.
(Yes I fully recognise the misogynist smarm in his comment. But surely he can be pressed to name someone else.)
Roger Moore
@Fair Economist:
That seems like a fair summary. As I see it, they see Hitler’s rise as a natural response to the institutional weakness of the Weimar Republic. That’s great for them, because it A) gives them an excuse criticize the WR and B) it makes Hitler the liberals’ fault, not theirs. Because they see Hitler as the result of the WR’s institutional failure, they don’t feel a need to draw a direct causal link between specific WR failures and Hitler; just pointing out that the WR failed is enough to justify blaming it.
JPL
@Roger Moore: Wasn’t one the reasons the WR failed was because of lack of support for his policy changes which would have helped? Truthfully I’m just pleased I know a little more than Mitch and that’s not saying a lot.
Mnemosyne
@Yutsano:
Apparently Rep. Marcia Fudge said she would run against Pelosi for Ryan’s faction.
Fudge is one of only 2 Democratic representatives who refused to co-sponsor an LGBT civil rights bill. (Not sure who the other one is.) So, yeah, she’s not exactly the voice of the progressives in the Democratic Party.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: God, what an asshole.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne:
Dense is President of the Senate.
Roger Moore
@JPL:
The WR had a lot of problems. Like many parliamentary republics with proportional representation, it had a hard time getting a majority government, so it had a series of coalitions and minority governments. It also had difficult relations with its neighbors because of lingering bad blood from WWI. Most important, though, is that it had large blocs at both extremes of the political spectrum (Communists and Nazis) who wanted the Republic to fail so they could replace it. The economic problems from the Great Depression were the proximate cause of its failure, but the entrenched resistance to having a democratic government at all were the underlying cause.
JPL
@Roger Moore: Thanks.
JR
@Fair Economist: the spinelessness of the opposition and the other great powers didn’t hurt Hitlers ascension
The Pale Scot
@rikyrah:
All I ask of the Obama’s is that they start an investment group, the group purchases the Marriott Essex House or the Park Hyatt hotel on 59th St off Central Park NYC and they rename it The Obama’s. Build a great club/discotheque connected to a small theater and watch the swells pack it every night. Offer free limo service from the Creature’s properties and make sure that the performers and the buzz hit CNN Every Fucking Night. And buy Fredo’s 666 property at the bankruptcy proceeding and turn it into a parking garage/support area for Obama’s Americana Cafe. Their Slogan, “Come as You Are”
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@rikyrah: I bought Michelle’s book. It arrived on Tuesday. I plan to get the audio book too, so I can hear it in her own voice. I’m happy to put a few shekels in their pockets, they more than deserve it.
The Pale Scot
@TenguPhule:
A bit closer to tens of millions
sdhays
@TenguPhule:
It will be interesting seeing how Spankee and his Republican Senators grapple with Pelosi’s House and impending doom in the 2020 elections. I’m not making predictions, but conventional wisdom now is that the Republican majority in the Senate is seriously imperiled and it should now be clear to everyone, including Spankee himself, that he’s not exactly favored for reelection either. Whether that materializes or not, it will create even more pressure in their already love/hate relationship. Will McConnell eventually be forced to send an agreement with the House to Spankee even if he threatens to veto it and force Spankee to choose between accepting the agreement without his demands or veto and take the blame for the government shutdown?
It would be almost fun to watch if the stakes weren’t so dire.
sdhays
@Mnemosyne: At least she has found the courage to put her name in the hat. That’s a damn sight more than the other whiny-ass jackoffs. Let the caucus choose between them and be done with it.
JDM
So it’s okay now to shout “Fire!” In a crowded theatre?
webwisdom
Michelle Obama Says ‘I stopped even trying to smile’ during Trump’s inauguration’ https://www.theinforadar.com/2018/11/michelle-obama-says-i-stopped-even.html