Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. ~Thomas Jefferson

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

Roe is not about choice. It is about freedom.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.

Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

Hi god, it’s us. Thanks a heap, you’re having a great week and it’s only Thursday!

It’s the corruption, stupid.

The media handbook says “controversial” is the most negative description that can be used for a Republican.

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

The arc of the moral universe does not bend itself. it is up to us to bend it.

President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

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Just in time for the holidays CHRISTMAS!

And you know there will be a tweet from the Oval Office Occupant, blaming this on Sherrod Brown’s ‘lack of respect’…

Tim Ryan’s district. Maybe he should’ve paid more attention to his job, and less time trying to kneecap Nancy Pelosi?


 
Good news for the Thief-in-Chief’s actual base, though…

You knew he was a snake when you took him to your bosom…

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  2. 2.

    Anthony Cooper

    Not a Tim Ryan fan, but congress critters don’t have much control over individual plant openings / closings.

  5. 5.

    Hoodie

    These Trump voters are always complaining about liberal elites telling them what to do, but any industrial worker who trusted Trump has demonstrated that he needs to be told what to do.

  7. 7.

    Brachiator

    Even worse, the company reaped a massive tax break from last year’s GOP tax bill and failed to invest that money in American jobs, choosing to build its Blazer in Mexico

    Damn. A quick google search:

    General Motors reported a net profit of $2.4 billion for the second quarter of 2018, down 2.8 percent from the same period a year ago in part the result of increases in the costs of steel and aluminum as well as fluctuations in currency, it said Wednesday.

    So, they make money, but have to deal with Trump’s dumb ass tariffs, and screw over their employees for Christmas.

    Damn. Damn. Damn.

  10. 10.

    jl

    And, reposted from previous thread. It will be interesting to follow where a lot of the production lands. Thanks to Trump, for several reasons, probably less than would have otherwise. Probably can’t stop of new production from eventually going overseas for GM’s foreign markets, but Trump’s BS probably sped it up.:

    Some economists and business analysts pointed out that the Trumpsters messed up their new “winning” NAFTA (USMC or whatever they call it) deal so badly that it gives incentives to auto manufacturers to avoid North American production and assembly entirely. GM is increasing its high profit high-end exports from US to other parts of the world, particularly hybrids and extended range electric vehicles. Would be interesting to know how much of the discontinued production ever comes back to the US.

  11. 11.

    ruemara

    Yeah, You’d be hard put to find me very empathetic. You hug a snake, you get bit. I hope they all recover quickly, but they abandoned the party that saved them to go for the party that didn’t give a rat’s ass. Tired of rescuing people who will jump in front of the next disaster immediately.

    In other news, the fabulous US version of Veterinarians Without Borders is run by personal friends of mine. They educate farmers & governments in several African nations on livestock safety, they aid zoonosis (sicknesses that jump from animals to humans & vice versa) research and nutritional research. Plus if they get enough dough, I can quit my job and help them and go pet animals in Africa they expand their mission to improve medical & health outcomes in African communities. I’m gonna go home & write up some social media posts to shill for them for tomorrow, but I thought you guys might like first crack at it. They’re currently at work in Liberia so I’ll be posting wildlife shots most of the week on the twitters.

  13. 13.

    TenguPhule

    ‘You could actually put it on your nachos and eat it,’ Fox guest says of gas used at the Mexican border

    So the whole tire rims and anthrax thing was apparently literal, not figurative.

    While many prefer their nachos loaded with cheese, sour cream and refried beans, a former deputy chief for U.S. Border Patrol on Monday falsely suggested that another topping would be safe to eat: pepper spray.

    Ron Colburn, now president of the Border Patrol Foundation, made this remark on Fox News after a chaotic scene Sunday near Tijuana and California, the busiest port of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border. As Central American migrants attempted to enter the United States, Customs and Border Protection officers used tear gas to stop them, sparking outrage as images of children running from the gas went viral on social media.

    Steve Doocy of “Fox & Friends” asked Colburn on Monday morning whether tear gas was a necessary measure to combat rocks that were thrown toward U.S. Border Patrol agents. Colburn responded by saying that the agents used a type of pepper spray, which was “absolutely” warranted.

    “To clarify, the type of deterrent they used is OC pepper spray — it’s literally water, pepper, with a small amount of alcohol for evaporation purposes. It’s natural, you could actually put it on your nachos and eat it,” Colburn said.

    “It’s a good way of deterring people without long-term harm,” he added.

    I just can’t even.

  14. 14.

    TenguPhule

    @jl:

    It will be interesting to follow where a lot of the production lands.

    So far Mexico and Europe are the winners.

  15. 15.

    debbie

    I hate Trump voters as much as anyone here does, but this is all on GM. Grab the huge tax breaks and then run for Mexico. This is criminal, and Trump should be popping off all over GM with more than just tweets.

    I would also like to say that not everyone who worked at that plant voted for Trump. Please don’t rejoice for the older workers who will never find another job or for the families who now have to rethink their financial futures.

  20. 20.

    bobbo

    Oh goodie we’re back to the pre-2007 days when job cuts were always greeted by the stock market as good news.

  21. 21.

    jl

    Trumpsters’ threat to turn back US federal policy, and strip states rights, on automobile environmental standards also might play a role.
    Besides the bigotry and dishonesty, there is always the ignorance and incompetence with Trump.

  24. 24.

    Cermet

    No rejoicing just that voting matters. Remember how President Obama saved GM and the thanks? The mid-terms were a disaster for him and the Dems. Ditto healthcare. These voters who support the party of the elite deserve what they get – that Dem voters suffer too is a feature for the elite, not a bug; the real enemy is the elite who wholly back the thug party and the orange fart cloud.

  26. 26.

    Schlemazel

    @debbie:
    nobody is rejoicing. this is sad beyond belief but it was not unexpected or unpredictable. I refuse to feel sympathy for assholes who get burned playing with matches

    these assholes stabbed Obama in the back after he saved them

    and now I see @Cermet: got there first

  27. 27.

    debbie

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I started a project of rereading books I remembered meaning a lot to me. Hated or was disappointed in the first two I reread, so I thought it better to can the project.

  31. 31.

    TenguPhule

    As the year comes to a close, let us join together in harmony to remember the universal condemnation of certain lifestyle choices….I’m just kidding.

    Some arguments, though, are greater than others. These showdowns are grounded in cultural differences, steeped in history or even cause politicians to get their hackles up: the kind of disagreements that inspire breakups, family meltdowns and (potentially) cause nations to face off. Below are eight of the peak examples of culinary fisticuffs of our time, in no particular order. Oh, and don’t agree with the selections? Fight me.

  32. 32.

    jl

    @different-church-lady: I always start off a dish of nachos by smearing some hot sauce, lime juice and salt into my eyes. Gets the palate ready.

    I also always snort some water down into my lungs before I take a drink. Few people know this, but it’s a great taste test. It also means that water boarding is not that bad. I tell my bleeding heart liberal friends all the time “Hey, you drink that stuff every day, you know?”

  33. 33.

    TenguPhule

    @debbie:

    but this is all on GM. Grab the huge tax breaks and then run for Mexico.

    Not True. Trump’s NAFTA fuckup means its less economically viable to produce cars in the USA compared to Canada or Mexico. Between that and the tariffs kicking in, of course GM is going to do what’s best for the shareholders.

  37. 37.

    jl

    @TenguPhule: Worse than that. For exports out of North America, best to avoid North America at all, for anything. So means not only less export production, but fewer parts production and assembly for export. And most of GM’s export growth is outside North America.

    Other than that, yes, it could also mean better to produce outside the US. Problem is that some of the new parts of the new NAFTA are confusing, and some new provisions conflict with provisions that remain from the old NAFTA.

    Might be a shock, but Trump’s new NAFTA looks to be sloppily and hastily slapped together.

  39. 39.

    TenguPhule

    @jl:

    Might be a shock, but the Trump’s new NAFTA looks to be sloppily and hastily slapped together.

    His skills in the boardroom rival his skills in the bedroom. Or so I’m told.

  42. 42.

    Ohio Mom

    Let’s not forget that a majority of my fellow Ohioans also just voted in a slew of Republicans, from Governor on down. That’s not going to help anyone in Lordstown either.

  44. 44.

    TenguPhule

    Donald Trump has delivered a weighty blow to Theresa May’s hopes of steering her Brexit deal through parliament, saying it sounded like a “great deal for the EU” that would stop the UK trading with the US.

    Trump was speaking to reporters outside the White House when he was asked about the deal May struck with the EU’s other 27 heads of state and government on Sunday.

    “Sounds like a great deal for the EU,” Trump said. “I think we have to take a look at, seriously, whether or not the UK is allowed to trade. Because, you know, right now, if you look at the deal, they may not be able to trade with us … I don’t think that the prime minister meant that. And, hopefully, she’ll be able to do something about that.”

    Everything Trump touches, dies.

  45. 45.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @jl: Speaking as someone who works in manufacturing; the off shore rush was over and things stabilized, what was in the US was going to stay in the US, Then president dumb ass jumped in with his idiotic tariffs and screwed it all up.

  46. 46.

    TenguPhule

    A review by the Guardian of previously unreported remarks revealed Whitaker has advocated for hardline anti-abortion policies that would drastically reshape laws affecting American women seeking to terminate a pregnancy.

    Whitaker, a conservative Christian, endorsed “personhood” bills that would effectively outlaw abortion, and said as a Senate candidate that he would spend every day in Washington pushing anti-abortion policy.

    He also once said that as a federal prosecutor, he personally disagreed with having to use a clinic protection law against a man who crashed his car into a women’s health facility and tried to set it on fire while complaining about abortion.

    Of course he’s worse then expected. Trump approved of him!

  48. 48.

    TenguPhule

    @jl:

    Would be interesting to know how much of the discontinued production ever comes back to the US.

    None of it, Katie.

  51. 51.

    Thoughtful David

    @debbie:
    Yes, I’m sorry for the workers who voted for Dems. And yes, closing the plant is (mostly) on GM. But the Trumpanzees? I’ve got no sympathy. Clinton and the Dems in general have had platforms and policies that would help these folks, not just platitudes. Things like retraining, economic support for bringing new business (like alternative energy), infrastructure projects, health care systems. So the fuckers voted for Trump. They got what they wanted–a chance to punch down–so I’m actually happy for them. And they’re getting what they deserve. It’s the rest of the folks they’re dragging down that I reserve my sympathy for.

  52. 52.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    I remember what the papers proclaimed after Trump was elected.
    TRUMP-BULL COUNTY Oh well another generation of young people to leave just like I did 36years ago

  53. 53.

    jl

    @TenguPhule: Whitiker was peddling specially designed toilets with room for us, ahem, extra well endowed menfolk. Big johns for big junk! He can’t be all bad. I can’t think of a better prep for US AG.

  58. 58.

    misterpuff

    The GM Move (as mentioned above) was lauded by Wall Street. This morning on the business channels the GM spokesperson was talking up how there is no market for automobiles in the US anymore, the customers only want trucks and SUV (bastardized trucks on a truck chassis), so therefore GM does not need auto assembly plants any more.

    And I thought, well that’s just bull I see plenty of automobiles around: Tototas, Nissans, Hondas, Lexi, Kias, Acuras, Beemers, and Mercedes…ooh never mind.

  59. 59.

    Schlemazel

    Talked to the folks at Mayo. They do not have an explanation for what happened but are really, really sorry. I am almost over wanting to slit my wrists and will probably be ‘normal’ after I cry myself through the night to night. So far we’re still on for next Tuesday

  61. 61.

    Patricia Kayden

    @ruemara: That’s so cool! Petting animals in Africa (or pretty much anywhere else) sounds like a really calming job. Good on your friend for starting such a great organization.

  62. 62.

    sm*t cl*de

    @TenguPhule:

    Donald Trump has delivered a weighty blow to Theresa May’s hopes of steering her Brexit deal through parliament

    “Donald Trump dislikes this policy” might be a “weighty blow” if anyone in the UK gave two tugs on a dead dingo’s dick about the dumbarsed blatherings that fall out of Donald Trump’s facehole.

  63. 63.

    Timurid

    And in other news, Manafort has unflipped. This sudden outbreak of defiance from people who had flipped or were on the verge of flipping (Manafort, Corsi, Papadopoulos, etc.) is making me wonder what the hell is up…

  64. 64.

    TS (the original)

    @Timurid: trump offering pardons?

    And how does Mueller know Manafort is lying – what does he know that is so upsetting to the family trump?

  65. 65.

    Mike in NC

    Trumpazees in Ohio getting chunks of coal in their Christmas stockings? But it’s byoootiful clean coal!

  66. 66.

    ruemara

    @Schlemazel: I’m really sorry. What did they do? Is there anything we can do?

    @Patricia Kayden: They’re also really nice people and generous to me even though I’m sure I killed the sourdough starter the wife gave me. And I bring over fattening desserts to family dinners.

  68. 68.

    TenguPhule

    @Timurid:

    This sudden outbreak of defiance from people who had flipped or were on the verge of flipping (Manafort, Corsi, Papadopoulos, etc.) is making me wonder what the hell is up…

    Manafort lying to the FBI and Mueller after getting the plea deal does not strike me as the actions of a rational mind.

    They’re spooked.

  70. 70.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @TenguPhule:
    To be fair Mahoning County did vote for Hillary in 2016, though by thinner margins then it should have. I live here and the Dems are very much R-lite IMO.

  72. 72.

    randy khan

    AP is reporting that prosecutors say that Manafort violated his plea agreement by lying to investigators in the Russia probe.

    Subtext to the rest of the Trumpers: We know a lot more than you think we do.

  74. 74.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @misterpuff:
    It’s the dumbest thing in the world. I love driving sedans and couldn’t imagine owning a truck or SUV. I just don’t want to drive them. I’ll be continuing to buy Kia.

  76. 76.

    TenguPhule

    “After signing the plea agreement, Manafort committed federal crimes by lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Special Counsel’s Office on a variety of subject matters, which constitute breaches of the agreement,” prosecutors wrote. The government will file a detailed sentencing submission to the Probation Department and the Court in advance of sentencing that sets forth the nature of the defendant’s crimes and lies.”

    Does not sound good at all.

  78. 78.

    lamh36

    I can honestly say that cannot tell you if I’ve ever heard a Meek Mill rap album (I place a bet that not many here at BJ know who Meek Mill is, but anyone who listens to rap, or follow rappers will)…so I can’t say I am even a fan…but this…this…I commend this brotha for using he circumstances to fight for the rights of others!

    Alright now young man!

    Meek Mill with a video Op-Ed in the NYT

    @MeekMill
    9h9 hours ago
    More
    You had a right to remain silent, but that really means: You had a right to be silenced.

    Watch my @nytopinion op-ed about criminal justice #REFORM now on @NYTimes: https://meekmill.co/nytoped

  79. 79.

    Schlemazel

    @ruemara:
    The canceled my appointments for today but didn’t bother to tell me.
    Its not just the round trip or the hotel & meal expense (this time of year it is a good idea to go the day ahead in case of weather for a 7Am appt. It is that I thought today would be the day I would start getting good answers

  80. 80.

    JR

    @debbie: they are in fact a (conservative) D district.

    Blame the evangelicals and the country club set for the republicans. Same assholes as always

  81. 81.

    Platonailedit

    The number of farms filing for bankruptcy is increasing across the Upper Midwest, a new analysis finds.

    84 farms filed for bankruptcy in WI, MN, ND, SD, MT in the 12 months ending in June, more than double the number over the same period in '13 and '14.

    https://t.co/TdCdf0nLXl— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 26, 2018

    The base (of rubes) gotta suck it and still support me – totus thug

  82. 82.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @JR:
    You are correct. Mostly thanks to Columbiana County, we elected two goopers to the state assembly. One of which closely tied himself to Trump.

  83. 83.

    HinTN

    @Major Major Major Major: I do admit I like the metro. And yes, once upon a time I “trained” for my assault on Half Dome by walking all over those hills one Labor Day weekend. Didn’t help one damn bit with the altitude, though. ?

  87. 87.

    HinTN

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Make no mistake, I used the cables. Glad I was to use arms instead of tuckered out legs to go up those last few hundred feet.

    ETA: I was double your age when I went in ’89. Great experience!!! Was sad recently to learn you now have to win the lottery to be allowed to go.

  88. 88.

    jl

    @Major Major Major Major: ” San Francisco is hilly and has reasonable-ish weather and garbage public transit, ”

    You got a 7 mile by 7 mile semi-island, plunk enough semi-functioning buses and light rail, operated by poorly trained people, half of whom cannot seem to communicate with the riders (which seems unrelated to whether their or riders’ first language is English or not, seems like if you want to act rude and weird, in SF Muni, the motto is ‘let your freak flag fly’), and a management that sets records, for bizarre behavior, it sort of works.

    A lot of San Francisco should be considered a ‘never drive there’ zone. And public transit works there, since trying to drive is equally disastrous.

    Edit: in fairness to SF Muni, I think it one of a very few major metro transportation systems that has no dedicated budget source. Has to fight for funding every year out of general fund. Though, I have not checked on how that may have changed last couple of years.

  96. 96.

    Ohio Mom

    @Schlemazel: Growling in the direction of the doctor’s office on your behalf.

    Last year, my bone endo moved away — hooray, she was a jerk — and I called the other bone specialist in “the system.” She didn’t have an opening for something like four months. Then, two weeks before the appointment, her office called and moved the appointment to three months later.

    When I was finally face-to-face with the doctor, she scolded me for waiting so long to see her! The subtext being, What a noncompliant patient I was.

    Everyone always tells me, “You have to be your own medical advocate.” But it is impossible to do so when you can’t get in the door. It is very frustrating and infuriating.

    Here’s hoping next week’s appointment occurs without a hitch, and that the doctor you see has good answers and great tricks up his sleeve.

    Please keep us posted.

  98. 98.

    Mike G

    Trump complaining about someone’s lack of respect is like Jeffrey Dahmer complaining about the food in prison.

  99. 99.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @tokyokie:
    I drive a Forte and love it. Rio’s are pretty small already imo. What were you thinking of getting?

  104. 104.

    tokyokie

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: Probably a Fiat 500. Before the Rio, I was driving a Mini Cooper, but although I loved driving it, it was terribly unreliable, even before a design flaw led to my needing the engine replaced. (I was like 3K over the limit for the class-action suit over the defect. And yes, I’m still bitter.)

  105. 105.

    Stuart Frasier

    It appears that Cox has taken the lead in CA-21, which would be the 40th House pickup of the midterms!

    …and I missed the new front page post.

  107. 107.

    Platonailedit

    With the sc now packed with the trumpturds, may be the other trumplings are emboldened? I’ll believe in much touted Mueller power when it actually happens.

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