Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

The words do not have to be perfect.

If you’re pissed about Biden’s speech, he was talking about you.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

Republicans don’t trust women.

This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

We are aware of all internet traditions.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

DeSantis transforms Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

“That’s what the insurrection act is for!”

Accountability, motherfuckers.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

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But wait, there’s more!… Almost forgot I’d been saving this gem for a quiet patch. From Vanity Fair, “Hannityflix for Snowflakes: Fox Nation, the Murdoch’s New Streaming Service”:

The animating spirit of Fox Nation, the Trump-friendly network’s new video-streaming offering, is inadvertently revealed in the fifth episode Brian Kilmeade’s travelogue show, What Made America Great. Dressed in a sharp blue-checked shirt, the Fox & Friends host strolls through Andrew Jackson’s former plantation, absorbing the majesty of America’s seventh president. “Walking around, you get the sense that Andrew Jackson just left,” he marvels, admiring the poplar-wood columns and military portraits lining the Hermitage.

Like many programs on the so-called “Netflix for conservatives,” the pastoral scene—Kilmeade in gingham, colonnades, portraiture—is unnervingly familiar. In fact, much of the footage from What Made America Great is recycled from Andrew Jackson: Hero Under Fire, overlaid with new narration, graphics, and calming piano music. The same promotional image and footage appears again in America: Great from the Start, Kilmeade’s live lecture series wherein he summarizes historical events covered in his nonfiction books (in this case, 2017’s Andrew Jackson and the Miracle of New Orleans).

Recycled content appears to be part of the Fox Nation business model. If Fox News exists to serve red meat, Fox Nation is its mechanically separated byproduct—extra bits scraped off the carcasses of more profitable franchises, puréed, and shaped into spongy content nuggets. It is unapologetically a platform of B-sides. The impetus behind Fox Nation’s launch is fairly obvious; the brand appears to be a naturally recurring retirement community trying to keep apace in a dynamic media ecosystem. The network’s average viewer is 64 years old, 21st Century Fox has sold the majority of its entertainment assets to Disney, and the next generation of viewers is cutting the cord. (“It’s scary, right?” Kilmeade told The New York Times, recalling a conversation with his son: “He’s like, ‘Dad, nobody’s watching cable anymore.’”) For $5.99 a month, the subscription platform promises to deliver extra-special content from its deep bench of talent, and to provide an exclusive entre into their world. The sign-up-screen video shows Kilmeade and Co. at a party, popping the corks off champagne bottles and playing pool. Below, a tantalizing promise: “More of the content you love from the people you trust.”…

Fox Nation, for when chewing your own oatmeal is too much of a mental chore…

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  5. 5.

    Mary G

    I am not sure people who watch a lot of Fox News know how to stream programming, so they probably are trying it on the cheap with the recycled material.

  7. 7.

    laura

    @rikyrah: yes she does. Beautiful on the inside and out.
    Looking foward to 19 hours of becoming read by forever flotus her own self.
    Thanks for reminding us that we had grace, beauty, empathy and intelligence. How we’ve fallen….

  13. 13.

    piratedan

    one of those idle hopes and dreams agenda items is that when oversight is brought to bear and when the full findings of the Mueller investigation are revealed I do wonder how much Kompromat and illegal finance was being run thru the likes of Cambridge Analytica, the NYT, CNN and all of the Faux and Sinclair tendrils and I hope like hell we can see some people perp walked for their assault on our Democracy…

  15. 15.

    LuciaMia

    “Opinion done right” What is that even supposed to mean? Opinions are just that-differing viewpoints.

  16. 16.

    jl

    But wait, is getting rid of Garfield a bug or a feature?
    I agree, though, overall, it’s a sign that there will be problems.
    Eventually, Garfield gets to stay, and in my book I guess a necessary evil.
    Why not just let the tits through? That seems to be the standard solution for white supremacist hate speech.
    I take a bold stand: tits > hate speech! Revile me all you want, here I stand, I can do no other.

  20. 20.

    Yarrow

    Trump and Third Lady came to the Capitol rotunda to pay their respects to GHWB. They walked in, stood for about ten seconds with their eyes closed. He saluted briefly, she put her hand over her heart for just as long, and they turned and walked out. Whole thing about fifteen seconds. Seemed a bit perfunctory. Wonder how the funeral’s going to go.

  21. 21.

    RedDirtGirl

    I’ve probably mentioned this already, but I have a button that I made that says
    Who’s The Snowflake Now?
    Not a lot of people understand it.

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Yarrow: Wonder how the funeral’s going to go

    He’s going to be in the front pew, I imagine, with the Clintons and the Obamas either a few feet down or right behind him

  25. 25.

    jl

    And why did AL drag fine upstanding good citizen oatmeal into this? Why not metamucil? Or stewed prunes?

  29. 29.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @rikyrah:

    It’s probably not psychologically healthy to have a little shrine to a living person. But ever since the 2008 campaign I’ve snapped up books and magazines and a few select souvenirs featuring Barack and Michelle. Will be buying that Good Housekeeping tomorrow to add to the collection.

  30. 30.

    WhatsMyNym

    “It’s scary, right?” Kilmeade told The New York Times, recalling a conversation with his son: “He’s like, ‘Dad, nobody’s watching cable anymore.’”

    Kilmeade is only 54, works in media, and just figured that out?
    Here’s some more news for him…my local cable company is encouraging folks to drop cable. Since most of your cable bill goes to the networks and taxes, they make more selling high speed internet and other add-ons.

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    When is the Bush funeral? Will the canonization continue on MSNBC once the old man is in the ground?

  32. 32.

    jl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Wow! Our running feud is settled over oatmeal. Over simple, harmless oatmeal. Sniff sniff, so cute…I guess that means.. that means…. we both are getting way hella old.

    Damn you BillinGlendaleCA!!

  33. 33.

    Amir Khalid

    I just did a YouTube search for “100 bottles of beer on the wall guitar lesson”. It’s official: I have no life.

  39. 39.

    jl

    @Mike in DC: The talking heads would just get misty over how sweet ol’ pappy started the party down the road to Trumpism, because he just couldn’t figure out what else to do in order to save his political skin. And it didn’t work anyway. The poor ol’ guy didn’t even really mean it. Bittersweet tales of those halcyon days.

    As for the funeral, I ain’t watching. Tell me when it’s over. I’m afraid we might loop into twilight zone territory. Like, the networks suddenly cut to video of an empty podium waiting for Trump, then something has gone badly wrong.

  40. 40.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @clay:
    I’m still mad Star Trek isn’t on primetime television. It wasn’t that long ago a Star Trek show was on television. Although I’ve heard STD (?) isn’t that great.

  41. 41.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    Question of military protocol, the sailor carrying the President’s flag into the Capitol was bare headed. Is that normal? I don’t recall seeing that at other presidential funerals.

  44. 44.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Depends. They may have given him a “no cover, no salute” order as he was going indoors, where he’d normally be taking his cover off and because he was carrying the flag, he needed both hands so having to return a salute would have been awkward.

  49. 49.

    hells littlest angel

    Fox News is on 24 hours a day. I know old people don’t sleep, but still — when do they have time to watch Fox Nation?

  51. 51.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @Major Major Major Major:

    it’s true! Tumblr is good for several things, and soon one less.

    That’s what deviantart is for ;). Have you ever browsed that site? Mixed in with the cool artwork is some truly bizarre stuff.

    Cue “Tears in Rain” monologue: “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe…”

  53. 53.

    opiejeanne

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: My sister and niece just told me that STDs are rampant in retirement homes/nursing homes/elderly containment centers. I’m shocked, not that they’re having sex but that STDs are rampant. It boggles the mind.

    (My sister and niece were shocked that old people are having sex.)

  54. 54.

    Millard Filmore

    @Amir Khalid:

    I just did a YouTube search for “100 bottles of beer on the wall guitar lesson”. It’s official: I have no life.

    Do a search for “Crunchy vegetables”

  65. 65.

    Kayla Rudbek

    @Adam L Silverman: and for some reason, the feds get the day off as a day of mourning. I don’t remember my dad getting leave for any other presidential funerals (although he may have been retired before Ford died).

  66. 66.

    Gin & Tonic

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: I obviously know nothing about Tumblr, having been happily and faithfully married for *way* longer than you’ve been alive, but I’ll have to give it a shout-out: my son met his girlfriend through it, and they’ve been together for over four years now; fairly soon, I expect, she will become my daughter-in-law.

  67. 67.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mr Stagger Lee: I’m just now getting to the video. The Sailor who is the bearer of the flag with the presidential seal had his lid blew off in the wind. I just saw it happen. They didn’t want to interrupt the ceremony and break protocol to retrieve it.

  68. 68.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I obviously know nothing about Tumblr, having been happily and faithfully married for *way* longer than you’ve been alive, but I’ll have to give it a shout-out: my son met his girlfriend through it

    FYI tumblr is a site for sharing like, writing and images. Not like… Tinder or Grindr or other soundalikes.

  70. 70.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Major Major Major Major: Showing my ignorance, then – it’s Tinder (Tindr?) through which they met. You kids with your new-fangled internets and stuff, a guy can hardly keep up.

    Time for a new onion, this one’s falling apart.

  72. 72.

    Kayla Rudbek

    @Adam L Silverman: yes, I got the email. The decision to declare the mourning and close the government seems unusual in my memory as the child of a fed, and at least mildly idolatrous IMAO.

  73. 73.

    Kay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:
    December 3, 2018 at 10:01 pm
    When is the Bush funeral? Will the canonization continue on MSNBC once the old man is in the ground?

    They might be calling a new election in North Carolina because people are confessing to throwing out absentee ballots.

    I feel like this is big news. If someone has time :)

    Republicans actually stole an election and the lower level workers they hired to do it don’t seem to know they committed a crime. But they will find out.

  74. 74.

    Doug R

    @jl:

    But wait, is getting rid of Garfield a bug or a feature?
    I agree, though, overall, it’s a sign that there will be problems.
    Eventually, Garfield gets to stay, and in my book I guess a necessary evil.
    Why not just let the tits through? That seems to be the standard solution for white supremacist hate speech.
    I take a bold stand: tits > hate speech! Revile me all you want, here I stand, I can do no other.

    I agree, but Facebook deletes it within minutes anytime I post This picture which I defend as satire.

  75. 75.

    Kay

    In the least shocking news anyone has ever read, Trump lied about the China deal.

    Wouldn’t it be easier to ignore what he says until someone credible can be asked to verify it?

    Imagine how many people believe these things he says actually happened? Must be tens of millions.

  78. 78.

    Kay

    Nate Silver
    ‏Verified account
    @NateSilver538
    3h3 hours ago
    More
    The other thing about the alleged (do I have to keep saying “alleged” when it isn’t in much doubt?) election fraud in NC-9 is just how obvious and sloppy it is. Or at least, obvious and sloppy given that NC keeps really detailed records on absentee ballots and other stuff.

    Just amazing they were so confident they wouldn’t get caught. And it’s not a bad bet- it just happened to be close and there was so much scrutiny of close House races over the last weeks. They should really look at every election in that county, going back I don’t know how long.

  79. 79.

    Kay

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Oh, not you guys. You guys are great.

    This is extraordinary though- these people who collected the ballots are going to talk- they were only paid 100 dollars. They seem to now have known they were breaking the law. I don’t recall anyone admitting this happened before.

  81. 81.

    Platonailedit

    @Kay:

    (do I have to keep saying “alleged” when it isn’t in much doubt?)

    No, Nate, nobody is making you say it. You can call it for what it is instead of playing this coy and ‘obvious’ learned helplessness. Fucking hack.

  83. 83.

    Yarrow

    @Kayla Rudbek: According to Wiki, the National Day of Mourning is usually reserved only for the death of the President or a former President. They have been federal holidays since JFK’s death. I don’t know when you were a child, but there was a 22 period, from Truman in 1972 to Nixon in 1994, where no president or former president died, so maybe it wasn’t an issue when you were a kid.

  84. 84.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Kay: It is being heavily covered by news outlets in NC. I know Charles Pierce covered it today. As did several others.

  91. 91.

    M31

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’d love to see a side-by-side daily schedule comparison between Obama and Trump.

    LOL as soon as it appeared I’m sure the White House would try to scrub the records or declare them classified or something.

    “Executive Time” is really an amazing verbal construction.

  92. 92.

    Kayla Rudbek

    @Yarrow: and that would be precisely it – no presidential deaths while I was a child, and Richard Nixon died when I was in college, so of course it seems strange to me.

  93. 93.

    Adam L Silverman

    @M31: They let it leak about three weeks ago or so that they’d (they being Kelly) added “policy time” into the schedule to try to force the President to actually do some work. “Policy time” did not appear to last very long…

  95. 95.

    Barbara

    @Kay: By all accounts, he did the same thing in the primary. It’s his schtick. Candidate denies all knowledge.

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    @opiejeanne:

    IIRC, most of the studies say it’s because old people assume they don’t need condoms because no one can get pregnant and they weren’t given all of the STD education us younger folks got.

    One of my favorite episodes of “Bob’s Burgers” is when they go visit Linda’s parents at their Florida retirement community and a horrified Bob and Linda realize that the place is full of elderly swingers. ?

    Even worse …. well. i won’t spoil it for you.

  100. 100.

    Barbara

    @Yarrow: IIRC there might have been a national day of mourning when the three astronauts died during lift off in 1966. I had a day off school.

  101. 101.

    Another Scott

    @Adam L Silverman: I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes him all week to recover from the Argentina trip. He’s an old man who hates to not be able to sleep in his own bed.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  103. 103.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kay: MSNBC primetime did several segments on North Carolina (and the Wisconsin GOP efforts to hamstring the incoming D gov), but all day was about how George W Bush was the greatest president ever and we didn’t deserve him. Two words I haven’t heard among all the encomia: Clarence Thomas.

  104. 104.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Brian Williams just wondered aloud, on the television, whether or not Bush’s service dog knows “he will see his friend again”

    /very twitter Nixon/ My god. My god.

  105. 105.

    Yarrow

    @Barbara: Yes, the Wiki page lists various tragedies that were declared National Days of Mourning like 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombings, etc. I don’t know if those were Federal holidays as well.

  106. 106.

    Mnemosyne

    @Kay:

    I’m guessing they assumed they would get away with it because they’re Republicans, so the crime would be swept under the rug by the state’s Republican establishment.

    Their mistake seems to have been cheating in the primary, too, which means that they pissed off their local Republicans, who are no longer inclined to try and protect them.

  110. 110.

    eemom

    @Yarrow:

    I don’t know when you were a child, but there was a 22 period, from Truman in 1972 to Nixon in 1994, where no president or former president died, so maybe it wasn’t an issue when you were a kid.

    LBJ died just a month after Truman, in January 1973, and that was a BFD. I was in 5th grade and I remember seeing it on teevee. Also that Lady Bird was grinning her ass off the whole time.

    eta: fun fact: y’all millennials will wonder why I said that a 2017 film was at 1973 funeral. ?

  111. 111.

    sdhays

    OT: In all the hagiography of the better Bush, has anyone brought up how old man Bush got caught putting his hand on a woman’s derrière not too long ago? As I recall, he giggled too.

    That should be remembered as part of his post-Presidency legacy.

  114. 114.

    VeniceRiley

    All these different single source streaming services are pissing me off. It’s too much. But I did sign up for the deeply discounted 99cent per month for a year of HULU. Great deal; I wanted to support them for handmaid’s tale.

  115. 115.

    NotMax

    @eemom

    Ike’s death pre-empted the first run airing of the final episode of Star Trek, which was eventually shown during the summer reruns.

    BTW, it was one of the decidedly lesser episodes, “Turnabout Intruder.”

  117. 117.

    Yarrow

    @eemom: Huh, I went back and looked at the list and LBJ isn’t listed at all. How very odd. All the other modern Presidents were on the list.

  121. 121.

    different-church-lady

    @VeniceRiley: It’s gonna be amazing the day all the cord cutters wake up and realize they’re paying more for “TV” than they ever did when they had cable.

  123. 123.

    Adam L Silverman

    @sdhays: My understanding is that that is not unusual behavior from someone suffering both from Parkinsons and senility/dementia as President Bush was.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Aleta: See if you can identify what is missing in Kellyanne Conway’s twitter bio:

    Kellyanne ConwayVerified account
    @KellyannePolls
    Mom. Patriot. Catholic. Counselor.

  130. 130.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    @NotMax:
    Is that the one where Alan Alda’s character couldn’t process that a baby was killed so he convinced himself subconsciously it was a chicken or something?

    I know most shows on then were episodic but I still think TV shows should have an actual finale that really bookends everything.

  132. 132.

    Yarrow

    @Adam L Silverman: I don’t buy their act. I think since she’s gone full Trump, he’s playing the “reasonable conservative” role so they’ve got a foot in both camps and one of them can keep working. If the Republican party goes Trumpier she’s in good standing. If they go back to dog whistling he looks like the guy who was right all along.

  134. 134.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    also, this happened

    Lissandra Villa @ LissandraVilla
    Good evening from Politics and Prose, beloved Washington bookstore, where Sally Quinn (THE WaPo Sally Quinn) is interviewing Stormy Daniels (THE Stormy Daniels) on her book tonight in what is possibly the most quintessential DC event ever by modern standards.

    “I’ve watched Stormy’s porn. It’s very good. She knows what she’s doing.” —Sally Quinn

    which also too is an excuse to repost this

    Eric Trump @ EricTrump
    Of all the ugliness in politics, the utter disrespect George Conway shows toward his wife, her career, place of work, and everything she has fought SO hard to achieve, might top them all. @KellyannePolls is great person and frankly his actions are horrible.

  139. 139.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I saw the tweets about Sally Quinn interviewing Stomry Daniels earlier today and decided I was just going to nod and back away slowly. I’ve got no issues with Daniels. Quinn on the other hand…

  152. 152.

    Viva BrisVegas

    @Yarrow:

    It was Nieto’s idea.

    I imagine he thinks he’ll need friends in the US if the anti-corruption authorities catch up with him.

    He has a lot in common with Trump, not least of which is being the least competent President in his nation’s history.

    Besides, it is now well known in international circles that you can buy Trumpkins with baubles.

  153. 153.

    Ruckus

    @Adam L Silverman:
    One Sunday I went to see my dad in the home he lived in and he wasn’t there. Asked the attendant where he was, “Oh he’s probably in Ms Polly’s room.” Went there knocked on the door and who answers but dad! Now he’s mid 70s, about 10 years into Alzheimers, doesn’t know my name but at least recognizes me as someone he’s familiar with. Nice lady, she also has Alzheimers. They don’t recognize people that they should know but they still know how everything works. She was a nice lady that he liked and she liked him. The home told me that it’s not unusual at all for the patients to hook up, it happens far more often than one might imagine.

  156. 156.

    NotMax

    @NotMax

    No edit function.

    Lloyd Bentsen.

    (Whose middle name was Millard. Imagine he didn’t escape grade school tease-free.)

  157. 157.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @danielx: Probably a joke. Similar to when people call their home internet “FBI Surveillance Van #5” or something like that.

  165. 165.

    afanasia

    @Yarrow: I augment Netflix with dvds from our library – they do free interlibrary loans, delivered to my branch library. I control any frustration by watching old episodes of Forensic Files until my obscure German films arrive.

  167. 167.

    Doug R

    @different-church-lady:

    It’s gonna be amazing the day all the cord cutters wake up and realize they’re paying more for “TV” than they ever did when they had cable.

    I’ve sort of done the mental math and my cable would charge me about $15 more a month for internet if I didn’t include cable, and getting content online seems to cost about as much as getting it on cable-plus HULU and a few other things are geoblocked in Canada anyway. Don’t worry, we can get Handmaid’s Tale on Bravo and STD on Space. Can’t get Sarah Silverman’s show anywhere though :(

  168. 168.

    PJ

    @Aleta: I heard a story in the late-80s that Bush (then VP) was mugged on his way to visit his mistress (somewhere in DC, probably NW but might have been SW), because the Secret Service was hanging back attempting to be discreet. When the mugging happened, they did spring into action, but I don’t know if the mugger was ever charged – I don’t think you can convict someone if the victim is anonymous.

  169. 169.

    opiejeanne

    @Mnemosyne:

    One of my favorite episodes of “Bob’s Burgers” is when they go visit Linda’s parents at their Florida retirement community and a horrified Bob and Linda realize that the place is full of elderly swingers. ?

    I’ll look it up. I’m 68, Dave is 71. Dave says he doesn’t remember the class but I had to take one called Vices that discussed all the things you could catch 55 years ago, including that if you got pregnant you might miss going to the prom. The second semester was Drvier’s Ed which was watching horrific car crash movies and learning the CA driving handbook. Driver’s Training was an after-school class where you got to drive a car.
    Maybe anyone three years older than I am didn’t get that class, but I mean, are these people idiots? Maybe they didn’t learn it in school but where have they been the past 50+ years?

  170. 170.

    joel hanes

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    real Oatmeal

    Can be wonderful.
    Eschew quick or instant; go with old-fashioned on the stovetop
    Add a handful of mixed dried fruit, very coarsely chopped, into the boiling water right after the oatmeal and (the essential) salt.
    Or a couple pitted dates per serving;
    And if you like walnuts, a couple walnut halves per serving.
    And a tablespoon of half-n-half for mouth feel
    Then stir and simmer a few seconds, cover and reduce heat.
    Cinnamon sugar to taste, or maybe a swirl of honey over the top.

    Long ago when I was _very_ poor in college,
    I went to the feed n grain and bought a big bag of rolled oats,
    probably 25 lbs for like two bucks.
    It was perfectly cromulent when cooked the slow way.
    I see that today you can get 50 lbs of bulk rolled oats delivered for $25.
    One can live very cheaply, for a while, on oatmeal and kosher salt.
    There was a month during which raisins were my idea of a luxury

  171. 171.

    Amir Khalid

    @PJ:
    I understand that rapists have been tried and convicted without the public disclosure of the victim’s name. But I’ve not heard of it happening anywhere with a crime that had nothing to do with sex.

  172. 172.

    PJ

    @Amir Khalid: The guy who told me the story was extremely well-connected politically, so I don’t doubt that he had a pretty good pipeline to the source, but at the time, and now, I’m skeptical that they could have done anything but throw the mugger in jail for a couple of days if they were unwilling to produce the victim. The punchline, of course, was that, this being DC, the mugger had no idea that the guy he was threatening was the Vice-President.

  173. 173.

    Martin

    @Kay:

    Republicans actually stole an election and the lower level workers they hired to do it don’t seem to know they committed a crime. But they will find out.

    Gonna go out on a limb and guess that none of the lower-level workers were immigrants.

  174. 174.

    Shalimar

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: What I haven’t heard mentioned in decades is the S&L crisis. Specifically how they slow-walked investigations in 1987 and 1988 so it wouldn’t be an issue for Bush’s campaign. This significantly increased the resulting cost of the bailouts.

  176. 176.

    trnc

    @LuciaMia:

    “Opinion done right” What is that even supposed to mean? Opinions are just that-differing viewpoints.

    I would say “opinion done right” means opinions based on facts, not what the nearest conspiracy theorist crapped out 3 minutes ago. For that reason, Fux Nation is most certainly not “opinion done right.”

    In my opinion.

  178. 178.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Kay:

    Republicans actually stole an election and the lower level workers they hired to do it don’t seem to know they committed a crime. But they will find out.

    Either that, or it will just become not-a-crime, retroactively, and suddenly become accepted as standard procedure/hallowed tradition. That’s how it seem to work these days.

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