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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Open Thread: Catering to ‘Fox Nation’ Snowflakes’ Sensibilities…

Open Thread: Catering to ‘Fox Nation’ Snowflakes’ Sensibilities…

by Anne Laurie|  December 3, 20189:12 pm| 178 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, All Too Normal, Clown car, Cybersecurity, Peak Wingnut Was a Lie!

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so at what point does tumblr realize their new porn-blocking algorithm is confusing all cartoon eyeballs for tits? https://t.co/a7CMweLPNj

— Zeddy (@Zeddary) December 3, 2018


 
But wait, there’s more!… Almost forgot I’d been saving this gem for a quiet patch. From Vanity Fair, “Hannityflix for Snowflakes: Fox Nation, the Murdoch’s New Streaming Service”:

The animating spirit of Fox Nation, the Trump-friendly network’s new video-streaming offering, is inadvertently revealed in the fifth episode Brian Kilmeade’s travelogue show, What Made America Great. Dressed in a sharp blue-checked shirt, the Fox & Friends host strolls through Andrew Jackson’s former plantation, absorbing the majesty of America’s seventh president. “Walking around, you get the sense that Andrew Jackson just left,” he marvels, admiring the poplar-wood columns and military portraits lining the Hermitage.

Like many programs on the so-called “Netflix for conservatives,” the pastoral scene—Kilmeade in gingham, colonnades, portraiture—is unnervingly familiar. In fact, much of the footage from What Made America Great is recycled from Andrew Jackson: Hero Under Fire, overlaid with new narration, graphics, and calming piano music. The same promotional image and footage appears again in America: Great from the Start, Kilmeade’s live lecture series wherein he summarizes historical events covered in his nonfiction books (in this case, 2017’s Andrew Jackson and the Miracle of New Orleans).

Recycled content appears to be part of the Fox Nation business model. If Fox News exists to serve red meat, Fox Nation is its mechanically separated byproduct—extra bits scraped off the carcasses of more profitable franchises, puréed, and shaped into spongy content nuggets. It is unapologetically a platform of B-sides. The impetus behind Fox Nation’s launch is fairly obvious; the brand appears to be a naturally recurring retirement community trying to keep apace in a dynamic media ecosystem. The network’s average viewer is 64 years old, 21st Century Fox has sold the majority of its entertainment assets to Disney, and the next generation of viewers is cutting the cord. (“It’s scary, right?” Kilmeade told The New York Times, recalling a conversation with his son: “He’s like, ‘Dad, nobody’s watching cable anymore.’”) For $5.99 a month, the subscription platform promises to deliver extra-special content from its deep bench of talent, and to provide an exclusive entre into their world. The sign-up-screen video shows Kilmeade and Co. at a party, popping the corks off champagne bottles and playing pool. Below, a tantalizing promise: “More of the content you love from the people you trust.”…

Fox Nation, for when chewing your own oatmeal is too much of a mental chore…

$5.99 a month people. pic.twitter.com/LTFQcPn1iX

— Schooley (@Rschooley) November 29, 2018

The voices you trust. The ones in your head. pic.twitter.com/spVjzSQJs5

— Schooley (@Rschooley) November 29, 2018

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  1. 1.

    A Ghost To Most

    December 3, 2018 at 9:16 pm

    Reality, it burns.

  2. 2.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    Wow, only $5.99 a month? Where do I sign up! //

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    December 3, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    Forever FLOTUS looks fabulous!

    https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/1069643773385342977

  4. 4.

    clay

    December 3, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: The CBS streaming app is $5.99 a month, too. CBS is ALSO for old white people, but at least you also get Colbert and Star Trek.

  5. 5.

    Mary G

    December 3, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    I am not sure people who watch a lot of Fox News know how to stream programming, so they probably are trying it on the cheap with the recycled material.

  6. 6.

    Miss Bianca

    December 3, 2018 at 9:30 pm

    @rikyrah: Yeah, she looks radiantly happy there. Happy to be out of the WH!

  7. 7.

    laura

    December 3, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    @rikyrah: yes she does. Beautiful on the inside and out.
    Looking foward to 19 hours of becoming read by forever flotus her own self.
    Thanks for reminding us that we had grace, beauty, empathy and intelligence. How we’ve fallen….

  8. 8.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I’m sure she’s happy to be out of there, I hear the place is a dump.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    December 3, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: It is now.

  10. 10.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    @Baud: True, I saw a pic of the “Holiday Trees”.

  11. 11.

    Gelfling 545

    December 3, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I think it’s complimentary at Shady Pines Retirement Home.

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    December 3, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    Maddow is doing a segment on the Epstein case.

  13. 13.

    piratedan

    December 3, 2018 at 9:41 pm

    one of those idle hopes and dreams agenda items is that when oversight is brought to bear and when the full findings of the Mueller investigation are revealed I do wonder how much Kompromat and illegal finance was being run thru the likes of Cambridge Analytica, the NYT, CNN and all of the Faux and Sinclair tendrils and I hope like hell we can see some people perp walked for their assault on our Democracy…

  14. 14.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 9:41 pm

    @Gelfling 545: Didn’t we have a front pager who was a resident there?

  15. 15.

    LuciaMia

    December 3, 2018 at 9:44 pm

    “Opinion done right” What is that even supposed to mean? Opinions are just that-differing viewpoints.

  16. 16.

    jl

    December 3, 2018 at 9:45 pm

    But wait, is getting rid of Garfield a bug or a feature?
    I agree, though, overall, it’s a sign that there will be problems.
    Eventually, Garfield gets to stay, and in my book I guess a necessary evil.
    Why not just let the tits through? That seems to be the standard solution for white supremacist hate speech.
    I take a bold stand: tits > hate speech! Revile me all you want, here I stand, I can do no other.

  17. 17.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 3, 2018 at 9:47 pm

    Oh for fuck’s sake.

    My timelines were blowing up with great tumblr jokes today though.

  18. 18.

    Shana

    December 3, 2018 at 9:47 pm

    @rikyrah: Sigh…. I got her book as a Hanukkah present. So looking forward to it.

  19. 19.

    rikyrah

    December 3, 2018 at 9:47 pm

    Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) Tweeted:
    SCOOP: PAUL MANAFORT suggested he could broker a deal for the handover of JULIAN ASSANGE to the U.S. during a mtg last May with Ecuadorian president-elect @LENIN, who wanted debt relief in exchange. The talks went nowhere. Days later, MUELLER was appointed

    https://t.co/isgKirsDYY https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1069765369869623296?s=17

  20. 20.

    Yarrow

    December 3, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    Trump and Third Lady came to the Capitol rotunda to pay their respects to GHWB. They walked in, stood for about ten seconds with their eyes closed. He saluted briefly, she put her hand over her heart for just as long, and they turned and walked out. Whole thing about fifteen seconds. Seemed a bit perfunctory. Wonder how the funeral’s going to go.

  21. 21.

    RedDirtGirl

    December 3, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    I’ve probably mentioned this already, but I have a button that I made that says
    Who’s The Snowflake Now?
    Not a lot of people understand it.

  22. 22.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 3, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    Kilmeade in gingham

    Just stop right there.

  23. 23.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 9:52 pm

    @Yarrow: Depends on who the Trumps are seated next do at GHW’s services.

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 3, 2018 at 9:53 pm

    @Yarrow: Wonder how the funeral’s going to go

    He’s going to be in the front pew, I imagine, with the Clintons and the Obamas either a few feet down or right behind him

  25. 25.

    jl

    December 3, 2018 at 9:54 pm

    And why did AL drag fine upstanding good citizen oatmeal into this? Why not metamucil? Or stewed prunes?

  26. 26.

    Amir Khalid

    December 3, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    @jl:
    I applaud your bold stand. Let there be tits!

  27. 27.

    rikyrah

    December 3, 2018 at 9:57 pm

    Maddow spent pretty much the last half of her show tonight on the Epstein case.

  28. 28.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 9:57 pm

    @jl: My nurse recommends prunes, but they don’t have to be stewed. I agree with you about disparaging oatmeal, it can be nutritious and warming on a cold morning.

  29. 29.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 3, 2018 at 9:58 pm

    @rikyrah:

    It’s probably not psychologically healthy to have a little shrine to a living person. But ever since the 2008 campaign I’ve snapped up books and magazines and a few select souvenirs featuring Barack and Michelle. Will be buying that Good Housekeeping tomorrow to add to the collection.

  30. 30.

    WhatsMyNym

    December 3, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    “It’s scary, right?” Kilmeade told The New York Times, recalling a conversation with his son: “He’s like, ‘Dad, nobody’s watching cable anymore.’”

    Kilmeade is only 54, works in media, and just figured that out?
    Here’s some more news for him…my local cable company is encouraging folks to drop cable. Since most of your cable bill goes to the networks and taxes, they make more selling high speed internet and other add-ons.

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 3, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    When is the Bush funeral? Will the canonization continue on MSNBC once the old man is in the ground?

  32. 32.

    jl

    December 3, 2018 at 10:04 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Wow! Our running feud is settled over oatmeal. Over simple, harmless oatmeal. Sniff sniff, so cute…I guess that means.. that means…. we both are getting way hella old.

    Damn you BillinGlendaleCA!!

  33. 33.

    Amir Khalid

    December 3, 2018 at 10:07 pm

    I just did a YouTube search for “100 bottles of beer on the wall guitar lesson”. It’s official: I have no life.

  34. 34.

    Mike in DC

    December 3, 2018 at 10:07 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Kudos to Charles Pierce for pointing out some of Poppy Bush’s flaws and shortcomings on Chris Hayes tonight.
    Surprised they didn’t drag out Uncle Pat (Buchanan) to reminisce.

  35. 35.

    Yarrow

    December 3, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: State funeral on Wednesday at 11 a.m. Body returns to Houston for a funeral at their family church on Thursday, then transported to the Bush Library in College Station, TX for burial.

  36. 36.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 3, 2018 at 10:10 pm

    @Mike in DC: @Yarrow: thanks
    I’m happy to not see Buchanan. Has anyone asked Card-Carrying Mike Dukakis for his thoughts?

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 10:11 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You’ll need one of these:
    https://www.amazon.com/Michelle-Obama-Celebrity-Prayer-Candle/dp/B07BTNJW7G

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 10:12 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The funeral is Wednesday.

  39. 39.

    jl

    December 3, 2018 at 10:13 pm

    @Mike in DC: The talking heads would just get misty over how sweet ol’ pappy started the party down the road to Trumpism, because he just couldn’t figure out what else to do in order to save his political skin. And it didn’t work anyway. The poor ol’ guy didn’t even really mean it. Bittersweet tales of those halcyon days.

    As for the funeral, I ain’t watching. Tell me when it’s over. I’m afraid we might loop into twilight zone territory. Like, the networks suddenly cut to video of an empty podium waiting for Trump, then something has gone badly wrong.

  40. 40.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 10:13 pm

    @clay:
    I’m still mad Star Trek isn’t on primetime television. It wasn’t that long ago a Star Trek show was on television. Although I’ve heard STD (?) isn’t that great.

  41. 41.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    December 3, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    Question of military protocol, the sailor carrying the President’s flag into the Capitol was bare headed. Is that normal? I don’t recall seeing that at other presidential funerals.

  42. 42.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 10:16 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Stereotypes aside, Tumblr (and Deviantart) is a cool place for fandom stuff.

  43. 43.

    Platonailedit

    December 3, 2018 at 10:17 pm

    The two worst presidents are still alive. Not fair.

  44. 44.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 10:20 pm

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Depends. They may have given him a “no cover, no salute” order as he was going indoors, where he’d normally be taking his cover off and because he was carrying the flag, he needed both hands so having to return a salute would have been awkward.

  45. 45.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 3, 2018 at 10:20 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: it’s true! Tumblr is good for several things, and soon one less.

  46. 46.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 3, 2018 at 10:21 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yikes! Thanks anyway. I try to retain a modicum of taste.

  47. 47.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    @jl: Got a walker I’m not using if you need one.

  48. 48.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 10:25 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??:

    Although I’ve heard STD (?) isn’t that great.

    STD’s usually aren’t very good, but the process of acquiring them can be fun.

  49. 49.

    hells littlest angel

    December 3, 2018 at 10:25 pm

    Fox News is on 24 hours a day. I know old people don’t sleep, but still — when do they have time to watch Fox Nation?

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 10:25 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You’ll need one of these too!
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/556553312/robert-mueller-prayer-candle

  51. 51.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 10:26 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    it’s true! Tumblr is good for several things, and soon one less.

    That’s what deviantart is for ;). Have you ever browsed that site? Mixed in with the cool artwork is some truly bizarre stuff.

    Cue “Tears in Rain” monologue: “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe…”

  52. 52.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    December 3, 2018 at 10:30 pm

    @rikyrah: She’s both gorgeous and clearly genuine. Thanks for the link.

  53. 53.

    opiejeanne

    December 3, 2018 at 10:30 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: My sister and niece just told me that STDs are rampant in retirement homes/nursing homes/elderly containment centers. I’m shocked, not that they’re having sex but that STDs are rampant. It boggles the mind.

    (My sister and niece were shocked that old people are having sex.)

  54. 54.

    Millard Filmore

    December 3, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I just did a YouTube search for “100 bottles of beer on the wall guitar lesson”. It’s official: I have no life.

    Do a search for “Crunchy vegetables”

  55. 55.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 3, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: I’ve seen enough to known what goes on there. But tumblr is a far superior format.

  56. 56.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Tumblr’s format confuses me and is hard to navigate imo. I can understand deviantart’s pretty well and they allow commenting (so long as the artist does).

  57. 57.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    STD’s usually aren’t very good, but the process of acquiring them can be fun.

    Are you trying to tell me something? /s

  58. 58.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @opiejeanne: Yup, heard that too. I heard The Villages in Floriduh have some of the highest rate of STD’s in the state.

  59. 59.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 3, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: DA is solid image-gallery software but IMO doesn’t really give a good browsing (in the informational sense) experience.

  60. 60.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 3, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: That’s just what the kids tell me. I’m pure as the driven snow.

  61. 61.

    Ken

    December 3, 2018 at 10:43 pm

    @Millard Filmore:

    Do a search for “Crunchy vegetables”

    You don’t catch me that easily.

  62. 62.

    catclub

    December 3, 2018 at 10:45 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It’s probably not psychologically healthy to have a little shrine to a living person.

    So a big shrine is ok?

  63. 63.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 10:50 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Eh, it works well enough for when I’ve used it.
    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Uh huh. Sure.

  64. 64.

    Yarrow

    December 3, 2018 at 10:52 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: I agree. I find Tumblr’s format hard to navigate. It’s okay if you just want to wander and get lost but if you want to do much else it’s really confusing.

  65. 65.

    Kayla Rudbek

    December 3, 2018 at 10:52 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: and for some reason, the feds get the day off as a day of mourning. I don’t remember my dad getting leave for any other presidential funerals (although he may have been retired before Ford died).

  66. 66.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 3, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: I obviously know nothing about Tumblr, having been happily and faithfully married for *way* longer than you’ve been alive, but I’ll have to give it a shout-out: my son met his girlfriend through it, and they’ve been together for over four years now; fairly soon, I expect, she will become my daughter-in-law.

  67. 67.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    @Mr Stagger Lee: I’m just now getting to the video. The Sailor who is the bearer of the flag with the presidential seal had his lid blew off in the wind. I just saw it happen. They didn’t want to interrupt the ceremony and break protocol to retrieve it.

  68. 68.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 3, 2018 at 10:59 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I obviously know nothing about Tumblr, having been happily and faithfully married for *way* longer than you’ve been alive, but I’ll have to give it a shout-out: my son met his girlfriend through it

    FYI tumblr is a site for sharing like, writing and images. Not like… Tinder or Grindr or other soundalikes.

  69. 69.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 10:59 pm

    @Kayla Rudbek: The President declared it a National Day of Mourning, so that’s why the Federal government is closed on Wednesday.

  70. 70.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 3, 2018 at 11:03 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Showing my ignorance, then – it’s Tinder (Tindr?) through which they met. You kids with your new-fangled internets and stuff, a guy can hardly keep up.

    Time for a new onion, this one’s falling apart.

  71. 71.

    Platonailedit

    December 3, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    lovers’ assholes’ spat

    Apparently, Putin wasn't satisfied with his little #G20Summit2018 chat, because today #Russia's state media is still roasting Trump: he is "clumsy," "morose," "defensive," "brought dissonance to the #G20Summit," "wasn't prepared for a meeting with Putin," "had nothing to say." ©️

    pic.twitter.com/v3Pj1zQjvg— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) December 2, 2018

  72. 72.

    Kayla Rudbek

    December 3, 2018 at 11:09 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: yes, I got the email. The decision to declare the mourning and close the government seems unusual in my memory as the child of a fed, and at least mildly idolatrous IMAO.

  73. 73.

    Kay

    December 3, 2018 at 11:13 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:
    December 3, 2018 at 10:01 pm
    When is the Bush funeral? Will the canonization continue on MSNBC once the old man is in the ground?

    They might be calling a new election in North Carolina because people are confessing to throwing out absentee ballots.

    I feel like this is big news. If someone has time :)

    Republicans actually stole an election and the lower level workers they hired to do it don’t seem to know they committed a crime. But they will find out.

  74. 74.

    Doug R

    December 3, 2018 at 11:15 pm

    @jl:

    But wait, is getting rid of Garfield a bug or a feature?
    I agree, though, overall, it’s a sign that there will be problems.
    Eventually, Garfield gets to stay, and in my book I guess a necessary evil.
    Why not just let the tits through? That seems to be the standard solution for white supremacist hate speech.
    I take a bold stand: tits > hate speech! Revile me all you want, here I stand, I can do no other.

    I agree, but Facebook deletes it within minutes anytime I post This picture which I defend as satire.

  75. 75.

    Kay

    December 3, 2018 at 11:17 pm

    In the least shocking news anyone has ever read, Trump lied about the China deal.

    Wouldn’t it be easier to ignore what he says until someone credible can be asked to verify it?

    Imagine how many people believe these things he says actually happened? Must be tens of millions.

  76. 76.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 11:18 pm

    @Kay: I did a front page post on this the other day.
    https://balloon-juice.com/2018/11/29/voting-fraud-questions-in-north-carolinas-9-congressional-district-republican-representative-elect-edition/

  77. 77.

    danielx

    December 3, 2018 at 11:19 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Buchanan? Dukakis? Why not drag Holy Ho – er, Joe Lieberman out of his crypt for an opinion?

  78. 78.

    Kay

    December 3, 2018 at 11:22 pm

    Nate Silver
    ‏Verified account
    @NateSilver538
    3h3 hours ago
    More
    The other thing about the alleged (do I have to keep saying “alleged” when it isn’t in much doubt?) election fraud in NC-9 is just how obvious and sloppy it is. Or at least, obvious and sloppy given that NC keeps really detailed records on absentee ballots and other stuff.

    Just amazing they were so confident they wouldn’t get caught. And it’s not a bad bet- it just happened to be close and there was so much scrutiny of close House races over the last weeks. They should really look at every election in that county, going back I don’t know how long.

  79. 79.

    Kay

    December 3, 2018 at 11:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Oh, not you guys. You guys are great.

    This is extraordinary though- these people who collected the ballots are going to talk- they were only paid 100 dollars. They seem to now have known they were breaking the law. I don’t recall anyone admitting this happened before.

  80. 80.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 3, 2018 at 11:27 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: probably the sort of thing he’s heard a president say on teevee.

  81. 81.

    Platonailedit

    December 3, 2018 at 11:27 pm

    @Kay:

    (do I have to keep saying “alleged” when it isn’t in much doubt?)

    No, Nate, nobody is making you say it. You can call it for what it is instead of playing this coy and ‘obvious’ learned helplessness. Fucking hack.

  82. 82.

    tobie

    December 3, 2018 at 11:28 pm

    @rikyrah: Is the President of Ecuador really named Lenin? How funny.

  83. 83.

    Yarrow

    December 3, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    @Kayla Rudbek: According to Wiki, the National Day of Mourning is usually reserved only for the death of the President or a former President. They have been federal holidays since JFK’s death. I don’t know when you were a child, but there was a 22 period, from Truman in 1972 to Nixon in 1994, where no president or former president died, so maybe it wasn’t an issue when you were a kid.

  84. 84.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 11:30 pm

    @Kay: It is being heavily covered by news outlets in NC. I know Charles Pierce covered it today. As did several others.

  85. 85.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    I’m all worn out just reading this!

    Here’s Trump’s public schedule for tomorrow. (Public schedules don’t include all of a president’s activities.) pic.twitter.com/zZd1B1v5Yq

    — Daniel Dale (@ddale8) December 4, 2018

  86. 86.

    mark w.

    December 3, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    Typical Fox Nation viewer:

    http://i.imgur.com/H9eT3I0.png

  87. 87.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    This is going to come out of left-field, but do you think I’m weird for using DA?

  88. 88.

    Yarrow

    December 3, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    @Kay: CNN covered it on two separate shows today. Had a guy in NC reporting on it.

  89. 89.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 3, 2018 at 11:37 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Soon “Executive Time” will be his entire schedule

  90. 90.

    NotMax

    December 3, 2018 at 11:37 pm

    They pay viewers $5.99 every month? Hmm.

    Nope, still not worth it.

    :)

  91. 91.

    M31

    December 3, 2018 at 11:38 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’d love to see a side-by-side daily schedule comparison between Obama and Trump.

    LOL as soon as it appeared I’m sure the White House would try to scrub the records or declare them classified or something.

    “Executive Time” is really an amazing verbal construction.

  92. 92.

    Kayla Rudbek

    December 3, 2018 at 11:40 pm

    @Yarrow: and that would be precisely it – no presidential deaths while I was a child, and Richard Nixon died when I was in college, so of course it seems strange to me.

  93. 93.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 11:41 pm

    @M31: They let it leak about three weeks ago or so that they’d (they being Kelly) added “policy time” into the schedule to try to force the President to actually do some work. “Policy time” did not appear to last very long…

  94. 94.

    FlipYrWhig

    December 3, 2018 at 11:46 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Is he going to say that stupid thing he always says about how the Coast Guard “brand” is improved?

  95. 95.

    Barbara

    December 3, 2018 at 11:47 pm

    @Kay: By all accounts, he did the same thing in the primary. It’s his schtick. Candidate denies all knowledge.

  96. 96.

    M31

    December 3, 2018 at 11:48 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    tried to slip it in there between “Snack Time”, “Nap Time”, and “Potty Time” did they? But our man Trump was too smart for them

  97. 97.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 11:49 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: I would expect so.

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    December 3, 2018 at 11:51 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    IIRC, most of the studies say it’s because old people assume they don’t need condoms because no one can get pregnant and they weren’t given all of the STD education us younger folks got.

    One of my favorite episodes of “Bob’s Burgers” is when they go visit Linda’s parents at their Florida retirement community and a horrified Bob and Linda realize that the place is full of elderly swingers. ?

    Even worse …. well. i won’t spoil it for you.

  99. 99.

    NotMax

    December 3, 2018 at 11:51 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Right out of kindergarten, tucked in between Story Time and Cookie & Milk Time.

  100. 100.

    Barbara

    December 3, 2018 at 11:51 pm

    @Yarrow: IIRC there might have been a national day of mourning when the three astronauts died during lift off in 1966. I had a day off school.

  101. 101.

    Another Scott

    December 3, 2018 at 11:52 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes him all week to recover from the Argentina trip. He’s an old man who hates to not be able to sleep in his own bed.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  102. 102.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 3, 2018 at 11:53 pm

    @M31: You can’t catch him, he just slips away…

    #G20 #25thAmendmentNow pic.twitter.com/fCnlTBdNkL

    — ᑕᕼᑌᑎK (@chunkled) December 2, 2018

  103. 103.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 3, 2018 at 11:58 pm

    @Kay: MSNBC primetime did several segments on North Carolina (and the Wisconsin GOP efforts to hamstring the incoming D gov), but all day was about how George W Bush was the greatest president ever and we didn’t deserve him. Two words I haven’t heard among all the encomia: Clarence Thomas.

  104. 104.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 4, 2018 at 12:01 am

    Brian Williams just wondered aloud, on the television, whether or not Bush’s service dog knows “he will see his friend again”

    /very twitter Nixon/ My god. My god.

  105. 105.

    Yarrow

    December 4, 2018 at 12:01 am

    @Barbara: Yes, the Wiki page lists various tragedies that were declared National Days of Mourning like 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombings, etc. I don’t know if those were Federal holidays as well.

  106. 106.

    Mnemosyne

    December 4, 2018 at 12:03 am

    @Kay:

    I’m guessing they assumed they would get away with it because they’re Republicans, so the crime would be swept under the rug by the state’s Republican establishment.

    Their mistake seems to have been cheating in the primary, too, which means that they pissed off their local Republicans, who are no longer inclined to try and protect them.

  107. 107.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 4, 2018 at 12:03 am

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: …no

  108. 108.

    Yutsano

    December 4, 2018 at 12:05 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Jabberjaw got a second career?

  109. 109.

    Aleta

    December 4, 2018 at 12:05 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: You gotta be kidding me.

    Here’s a slam:
    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1069809756921974785

  110. 110.

    eemom

    December 4, 2018 at 12:06 am

    @Yarrow:

    I don’t know when you were a child, but there was a 22 period, from Truman in 1972 to Nixon in 1994, where no president or former president died, so maybe it wasn’t an issue when you were a kid.

    LBJ died just a month after Truman, in January 1973, and that was a BFD. I was in 5th grade and I remember seeing it on teevee. Also that Lady Bird was grinning her ass off the whole time.

    eta: fun fact: y’all millennials will wonder why I said that a 2017 film was at 1973 funeral. ?

  111. 111.

    sdhays

    December 4, 2018 at 12:07 am

    OT: In all the hagiography of the better Bush, has anyone brought up how old man Bush got caught putting his hand on a woman’s derrière not too long ago? As I recall, he giggled too.

    That should be remembered as part of his post-Presidency legacy.

  112. 112.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 4, 2018 at 12:10 am

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Sorry, sometimes I get paranoid.

  113. 113.

    eemom

    December 4, 2018 at 12:10 am

    @sdhays:

    Plus, word is he’s been doing it for decades, so no “senile old man” excuse.

  114. 114.

    VeniceRiley

    December 4, 2018 at 12:11 am

    All these different single source streaming services are pissing me off. It’s too much. But I did sign up for the deeply discounted 99cent per month for a year of HULU. Great deal; I wanted to support them for handmaid’s tale.

  115. 115.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 12:13 am

    @eemom

    Ike’s death pre-empted the first run airing of the final episode of Star Trek, which was eventually shown during the summer reruns.

    BTW, it was one of the decidedly lesser episodes, “Turnabout Intruder.”

  116. 116.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 4, 2018 at 12:15 am

    @NotMax:
    Back in those days, it didn’t seem like a lot shows had proper finales and send offs.

  117. 117.

    Yarrow

    December 4, 2018 at 12:15 am

    @eemom: Huh, I went back and looked at the list and LBJ isn’t listed at all. How very odd. All the other modern Presidents were on the list.

  118. 118.

    different-church-lady

    December 4, 2018 at 12:16 am

    @Yarrow: That’s probably going to be the most dignified moment of his entire presidency.

  119. 119.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:16 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That boy just ain’t right…

  120. 120.

    trollhattan

    December 4, 2018 at 12:16 am

    Anybody watching “My Brilliant Friend” on HBO? Stunningly good show.

  121. 121.

    different-church-lady

    December 4, 2018 at 12:17 am

    @VeniceRiley: It’s gonna be amazing the day all the cord cutters wake up and realize they’re paying more for “TV” than they ever did when they had cable.

  122. 122.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:19 am

    @Yutsano: Times are tough.

  123. 123.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:20 am

    @sdhays: My understanding is that that is not unusual behavior from someone suffering both from Parkinsons and senility/dementia as President Bush was.

  124. 124.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 12:20 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Nah, all the “OMG, it’s the end!” hoopla came along later. M*A*S*H milked it for months beforehand.

  125. 125.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:21 am

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: I’ll let the surveillance detail know they need to shake things up a bit as they’ve clearly given their presence away.

  126. 126.

    Yarrow

    December 4, 2018 at 12:22 am

    @different-church-lady: Been thinking the same thing. All those streaming services add up and you have to subscribe to multiple ones to get what you want.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:24 am

    @Aleta: See if you can identify what is missing in Kellyanne Conway’s twitter bio:

    Kellyanne ConwayVerified account
    @KellyannePolls
    Mom. Patriot. Catholic. Counselor.

  128. 128.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 4, 2018 at 12:26 am

    @NotMax: Oy, that MASH finale…

    ETA: @Adam L Silverman: oh, I would laugh my ass off if Everything trump Touches Dies included the Conways’ marriage

  129. 129.

    VeniceRiley

    December 4, 2018 at 12:28 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Wife? LOL!

  130. 130.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 4, 2018 at 12:29 am

    @NotMax:
    Is that the one where Alan Alda’s character couldn’t process that a baby was killed so he convinced himself subconsciously it was a chicken or something?

    I know most shows on then were episodic but I still think TV shows should have an actual finale that really bookends everything.

  131. 131.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 12:31 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Once the networks discovered they could triple or quadruple ad rates for the last episode of anything, it was off to the races, hypewise.

  132. 132.

    Yarrow

    December 4, 2018 at 12:34 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I don’t buy their act. I think since she’s gone full Trump, he’s playing the “reasonable conservative” role so they’ve got a foot in both camps and one of them can keep working. If the Republican party goes Trumpier she’s in good standing. If they go back to dog whistling he looks like the guy who was right all along.

  133. 133.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 4, 2018 at 12:34 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Where did you hire these guys from? Surefire Intelligence?

  134. 134.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 4, 2018 at 12:35 am

    also, this happened

    Lissandra Villa @ LissandraVilla
    Good evening from Politics and Prose, beloved Washington bookstore, where Sally Quinn (THE WaPo Sally Quinn) is interviewing Stormy Daniels (THE Stormy Daniels) on her book tonight in what is possibly the most quintessential DC event ever by modern standards.

    “I’ve watched Stormy’s porn. It’s very good. She knows what she’s doing.” —Sally Quinn

    which also too is an excuse to repost this

    Eric Trump @ EricTrump
    Of all the ugliness in politics, the utter disrespect George Conway shows toward his wife, her career, place of work, and everything she has fought SO hard to achieve, might top them all. @KellyannePolls is great person and frankly his actions are horrible.

  135. 135.

    different-church-lady

    December 4, 2018 at 12:36 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Enabler of evil?

  136. 136.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:36 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: @VeniceRiley: Yep.

  137. 137.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:37 am

    @Yarrow: It is certainly plausible.

  138. 138.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 12:38 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    In all honesty, all I remember about it is being off by one point in the ad agency office pool for what the audience share reported by the Nielsen overnights would be.

  139. 139.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:38 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I saw the tweets about Sally Quinn interviewing Stomry Daniels earlier today and decided I was just going to nod and back away slowly. I’ve got no issues with Daniels. Quinn on the other hand…

  140. 140.

    sukabi

    December 4, 2018 at 12:42 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: pretty sure all dogs go to heaven so it’s unlikely they’ll meet again.

  141. 141.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 12:43 am

    @Adam L. Silverman

    “Look, there’s an event scheduled spotlighting a professional prostitute. And Stormy Daniels, too.”

  142. 142.

    ??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??

    December 4, 2018 at 12:45 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    @NotMax:

    I’vs seen references to her before, but I don’t know much about her beyond the implication that she’s venal. What did she do?

  143. 143.

    sukabi

    December 4, 2018 at 12:46 am

    @NotMax: for the win. lololol ??????

  144. 144.

    Yarrow

    December 4, 2018 at 12:47 am

    What’s this dumbassery about?

    Son-in-law and senior adviser to the president Jared Kushner received Mexico’s highest honor awarded to foreigners. https://t.co/wPtxYssd6L— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) December 2, 2018

  145. 145.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 12:51 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Google be your buddy.

  146. 146.

    danielx

    December 4, 2018 at 12:51 am

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??:

    Think YOU are paranoid? Among the wireless nets in my neighborhood is one title FBI Guest Internet, which keeps flickering in and out. Closest FBI office is maybe five miles away, so wtf?

  147. 147.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:52 am

    @NotMax: Pretty much.

  148. 148.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:53 am

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??: She was the self appointed arbiter of acceptability in DC from her perch at WaPo because she seduced Ben Bradlee away from his second wife.

  149. 149.

    danielx

    December 4, 2018 at 12:54 am

    @Yarrow:

    We know the quid, where’s the quo?

  150. 150.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 4, 2018 at 12:54 am

    @danielx: Call Laura Loomer, she’s got a similar problem.

  151. 151.

    eemom

    December 4, 2018 at 12:55 am

    @Yarrow:

    He MUST have died at SOME point. ?

  152. 152.

    Viva BrisVegas

    December 4, 2018 at 1:01 am

    @Yarrow:

    It was Nieto’s idea.

    I imagine he thinks he’ll need friends in the US if the anti-corruption authorities catch up with him.

    He has a lot in common with Trump, not least of which is being the least competent President in his nation’s history.

    Besides, it is now well known in international circles that you can buy Trumpkins with baubles.

  153. 153.

    Ruckus

    December 4, 2018 at 1:01 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    One Sunday I went to see my dad in the home he lived in and he wasn’t there. Asked the attendant where he was, “Oh he’s probably in Ms Polly’s room.” Went there knocked on the door and who answers but dad! Now he’s mid 70s, about 10 years into Alzheimers, doesn’t know my name but at least recognizes me as someone he’s familiar with. Nice lady, she also has Alzheimers. They don’t recognize people that they should know but they still know how everything works. She was a nice lady that he liked and she liked him. The home told me that it’s not unusual at all for the patients to hook up, it happens far more often than one might imagine.

  154. 154.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 1:02 am

    @Adam L. Silverman

    “I knew Perle Mesta. Perle Mesta was a friend of mine. And you’re no Perle Mesta.” //

    /obvious hat tip to Lloyd Bensten

  155. 155.

    eemom

    December 4, 2018 at 1:03 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    My understanding is that that is not unusual behavior from someone suffering both from Parkinsons and senility/dementia as President Bush was.

    Uh, he was doing it long before that. To a 16 year old kid among others.

  156. 156.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 1:05 am

    @NotMax

    No edit function.

    Lloyd Bentsen.

    (Whose middle name was Millard. Imagine he didn’t escape grade school tease-free.)

  157. 157.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    December 4, 2018 at 1:05 am

    @danielx: Probably a joke. Similar to when people call their home internet “FBI Surveillance Van #5” or something like that.

  158. 158.

    Viva BrisVegas

    December 4, 2018 at 1:08 am

    @danielx:

    Maybe it’s a safe house for White House informants.

    Knock on a few doors and see if Cohen answers.

  159. 159.

    Aleta

    December 4, 2018 at 1:16 am

    @sdhays: Also, there were rumors of infidelity before he was president. Example of a rumor during : http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Jennifer-Fitzgerald
    (Republicans tried to blame the origin of this rumor on Hillary believe it or not ….)

  160. 160.

    Yarrow

    December 4, 2018 at 1:17 am

    @eemom: I know, right? It’s an odd omission.

    @danielx: Exactly.

    @Viva BrisVegas: Except Jared’s going to be in prison so I’m not sure that’ll work out for him.

  161. 161.

    rikyrah

    December 4, 2018 at 1:20 am

    @Kay:
    This is the kind of story that is tailor made for an enterprising local reporter.

  162. 162.

    rikyrah

    December 4, 2018 at 1:24 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    They don’t work for Dolt45…they work for the Mercers.??

  163. 163.

    sukabi

    December 4, 2018 at 1:30 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I recall that GHWB liked to cop a feel for years, was one of his hobbies.

  164. 164.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 1:42 am

    @rikyrah

    Better assurance of being paid.

    :)

  165. 165.

    afanasia

    December 4, 2018 at 1:46 am

    @Yarrow: I augment Netflix with dvds from our library – they do free interlibrary loans, delivered to my branch library. I control any frustration by watching old episodes of Forensic Files until my obscure German films arrive.

  166. 166.

    sm*t cl*de

    December 4, 2018 at 2:07 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Of all the ugliness in politics, the utter disrespect George Conway shows toward his wife,

    Another scion of the Trump family has missed his true metier as a marriage counsellor.

  167. 167.

    Doug R

    December 4, 2018 at 2:13 am

    @different-church-lady:

    It’s gonna be amazing the day all the cord cutters wake up and realize they’re paying more for “TV” than they ever did when they had cable.

    I’ve sort of done the mental math and my cable would charge me about $15 more a month for internet if I didn’t include cable, and getting content online seems to cost about as much as getting it on cable-plus HULU and a few other things are geoblocked in Canada anyway. Don’t worry, we can get Handmaid’s Tale on Bravo and STD on Space. Can’t get Sarah Silverman’s show anywhere though :(

  168. 168.

    PJ

    December 4, 2018 at 2:26 am

    @Aleta: I heard a story in the late-80s that Bush (then VP) was mugged on his way to visit his mistress (somewhere in DC, probably NW but might have been SW), because the Secret Service was hanging back attempting to be discreet. When the mugging happened, they did spring into action, but I don’t know if the mugger was ever charged – I don’t think you can convict someone if the victim is anonymous.

  169. 169.

    opiejeanne

    December 4, 2018 at 2:29 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    One of my favorite episodes of “Bob’s Burgers” is when they go visit Linda’s parents at their Florida retirement community and a horrified Bob and Linda realize that the place is full of elderly swingers. ?

    I’ll look it up. I’m 68, Dave is 71. Dave says he doesn’t remember the class but I had to take one called Vices that discussed all the things you could catch 55 years ago, including that if you got pregnant you might miss going to the prom. The second semester was Drvier’s Ed which was watching horrific car crash movies and learning the CA driving handbook. Driver’s Training was an after-school class where you got to drive a car.
    Maybe anyone three years older than I am didn’t get that class, but I mean, are these people idiots? Maybe they didn’t learn it in school but where have they been the past 50+ years?

  170. 170.

    joel hanes

    December 4, 2018 at 2:31 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    real Oatmeal

    Can be wonderful.
    Eschew quick or instant; go with old-fashioned on the stovetop
    Add a handful of mixed dried fruit, very coarsely chopped, into the boiling water right after the oatmeal and (the essential) salt.
    Or a couple pitted dates per serving;
    And if you like walnuts, a couple walnut halves per serving.
    And a tablespoon of half-n-half for mouth feel
    Then stir and simmer a few seconds, cover and reduce heat.
    Cinnamon sugar to taste, or maybe a swirl of honey over the top.

    Long ago when I was _very_ poor in college,
    I went to the feed n grain and bought a big bag of rolled oats,
    probably 25 lbs for like two bucks.
    It was perfectly cromulent when cooked the slow way.
    I see that today you can get 50 lbs of bulk rolled oats delivered for $25.
    One can live very cheaply, for a while, on oatmeal and kosher salt.
    There was a month during which raisins were my idea of a luxury

  171. 171.

    Amir Khalid

    December 4, 2018 at 2:31 am

    @PJ:
    I understand that rapists have been tried and convicted without the public disclosure of the victim’s name. But I’ve not heard of it happening anywhere with a crime that had nothing to do with sex.

  172. 172.

    PJ

    December 4, 2018 at 2:46 am

    @Amir Khalid: The guy who told me the story was extremely well-connected politically, so I don’t doubt that he had a pretty good pipeline to the source, but at the time, and now, I’m skeptical that they could have done anything but throw the mugger in jail for a couple of days if they were unwilling to produce the victim. The punchline, of course, was that, this being DC, the mugger had no idea that the guy he was threatening was the Vice-President.

  173. 173.

    Martin

    December 4, 2018 at 3:01 am

    @Kay:

    Republicans actually stole an election and the lower level workers they hired to do it don’t seem to know they committed a crime. But they will find out.

    Gonna go out on a limb and guess that none of the lower-level workers were immigrants.

  174. 174.

    Shalimar

    December 4, 2018 at 3:41 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: What I haven’t heard mentioned in decades is the S&L crisis. Specifically how they slow-walked investigations in 1987 and 1988 so it wouldn’t be an issue for Bush’s campaign. This significantly increased the resulting cost of the bailouts.

  175. 175.

    sigyn

    December 4, 2018 at 5:23 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Just stop right there.

    That’s when I immediately right-clicked to read the whole thing.

  176. 176.

    trnc

    December 4, 2018 at 6:39 am

    @LuciaMia:

    “Opinion done right” What is that even supposed to mean? Opinions are just that-differing viewpoints.

    I would say “opinion done right” means opinions based on facts, not what the nearest conspiracy theorist crapped out 3 minutes ago. For that reason, Fux Nation is most certainly not “opinion done right.”

    In my opinion.

  177. 177.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2018 at 7:04 am

    @Shalimar

    Ah. the scandal which his son Neil was in up to his eyeballs.

  178. 178.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 4, 2018 at 8:02 am

    @Kay:

    Republicans actually stole an election and the lower level workers they hired to do it don’t seem to know they committed a crime. But they will find out.

    Either that, or it will just become not-a-crime, retroactively, and suddenly become accepted as standard procedure/hallowed tradition. That’s how it seem to work these days.

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