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I would really like to spend a day away from the news and not turn it on to Breaking News every frickin’ day.

Indict the MOFO already.

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  3. 3.

    White & Gold Purgatorian

    So a couple of days ago Mueller’s grand jury was extended for 6 more months, but today his report will be submitted by early March. How many freakin’ timelines are we living in, anyhow?

  6. 6.

    dmsilev

    Meanwhile, Lord Pissypants is throwing another tantrum:

    After congressional Democratic and Republican leadership met with President Donald Trump Wednesday afternoon, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said that Trump called the meeting a “waste of his time” and walked out after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said she didn’t agree with his desired border wall.

    “Unfortunately, the President just got up and walked out,” Schumer said, standing alongside Pelosi outside the White House. “He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘Will you agree to my wall?’ She said ‘No.’ And he just got up and said, ‘Then we have nothing to discuss.’ and he just walked out.”

    The Senate minority leader added: “Again, we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn’t get his way, and he just walked out of the meeting.”

  10. 10.

    The Dangerman

    Indict the MOFO already.

    Indeed, but how would that work with the shutdown?

    OK, sure, Trump might be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, but would he fold his hand and open the government back up? Fuck no, he’d have the shittiest of shit fits. He might start flinging poo off the Truman Balcony.

    Anything is possible.

  12. 12.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @dmsilev:

    “He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘Will you agree to my wall?’ She said ‘No.’ And he just got up and said, ‘Then we have nothing to discuss.’ and he just walked out.”

    Like I said in the last thread, I’m betting there are women here who’ve dealt with this.

  13. 13.

    HeleninEire

    Nancy just went for the throat. Responding to Trumps claim that Fed workers are fine with the shutdown. “He thinks they can just ask their father for money” OH HOLY HELL

  16. 16.

    rikyrah

    This sort of makes me think that Rosenstein is gonna break with that DOJ Memo and has approved Mueller INDICTING a sitting President.

  18. 18.

    artem1s

    The Senate minority leader added: “Again, we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn’t get his way, and he just walked out of the meeting.”

    so done being ‘presidential’ again.

  19. 19.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)  ??:

    I was trying to type a comment gently correcting the (quite understandable) misspelling of “Berenstain” as “Berenstein,” but whichever spelling I used, autocorrect wanted to turn it into a diatribe on beer steins and beer stains, and ain’t nobody got time for that.

  21. 21.

    Highway Rob

    @Joy in FL: “Meddling” suggests Scooby Doo was involved. On the other hand, the only president we happen to have at the moment looks like you could pull a rubber mask off him to find Old Man Cheevers underneath, so there’s that.

    (Yes, my four-year-old just got the DVD set recently.)

  22. 22.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @<a href=@HeleninEire:

    Nancy just went for the throat. Responding to Trumps claim that Fed workers are fine with the shutdown. “He thinks they can just ask their father for money” OH HOLY HELL

    AWESOME SMASH

  23. 23.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Chip Daniels:
    He’s trying to shut her down psychologically before she can realize she has power over him and start wielding it. The problem is, like you said, Pelosi knows this game much better than he does, and it’s way too late for that kind of play. But it’s all he’s got, because a woman wielding power over him is so bad, he’s even confused (and angry) Schumer doesn’t side with him.

  26. 26.

    sixthdoctor

    This is what we’re dealing with.

    Per source familiar: Schumer: you’re using people as leverage. why won’t you open the government and stop hurting people? POTUS: because then you won’t give me what I want— Sam Stein (@samstein) January 9, 2019

  27. 27.

    catclub

    @JPL: All the people who thought Donald Trump had a better handle on regular people’s lives than Hillary Clinton, because he was a down to earth Billionaire, can suck on it.

  28. 28.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    And it’s going to torture him, and he knows it. A woman is making fun of him. A woman he can’t hurt back. She’s psychologically dominating him in exactly the terms he understands. I’m sure it’s deliberate.

  29. 29.

    chopper

    @The Dangerman:

    OK, sure, Trump might be able to walk and chew gum at the same time

    dude can barely chew his food. as to walking, he takes a limo to cross the fuckin’ street.

  30. 30.

    dmsilev

    @sixthdoctor: Remember that NYT story a few days ago where did yet another “let us now voyage to the exotic lands of Trump supporters” piece and quoted some woman as saying something like “I’m disappointed because he’s not hurting the right people”? Trump is a symptom of the underlying disease.

  35. 35.

    Aleta

    He wants something in exchange for reopening the government. Because he owns the government, like it’s a golf course. It’s Donnie’s Pay to Play. What to give him … … how about a kick out the door and to the curb.

  36. 36.

    cmorenc

    @rikyrah:

    This sort of makes me think that Rosenstein is gonna break with that DOJ Memo and has approved Mueller INDICTING a sitting President.

    Neither Mueller nor Rosenstein are likely to break with this longstanding DOJ policy. What’s more likely is that if Mueller could lay out clear grounds for future indictment of Trump once out of office, or else has obtained an indictment under seal that won’t be unsealed until after Trump leaves office.

    Of course, the issues of whether Trump has committed indictable / impeachable offenses will still be on the table for potential inclusion in Mueller’s report. If so, expect great noise and friction among the House, the DOJ, and Trump about release of that particular info.

  38. 38.

    Mary G

    @SiubhanDuinne: @Frankensteinbeck: Nancy SMASH didn’t get to the highest level evah for a woman in American politics without knowing exactly how to play grandiose narcissists like a freaking Steinway. And she goes right in for the kill. She’s got much better things to do than try to have a rational conversation with the president.

  41. 41.

    C Stars

    @SiubhanDuinne: This is genius. In one sentence she brings it back to how weak and ineffectual he actually is, and reminds us subtly of the recent swept-under-the-newsdump revelations about how Trump and pere are, per overwhelming evidence, tax (and draft) frauds.

  42. 42.

    plato

    There was a perennial liar
    Who lied that a crisis was dire.
    The networks took care
    To grant him live air,
    Not learning from anything prior.

    — Limericking (@Limericking) January 9, 2019

  44. 44.

    C Stars

    @Mary G:

    She’s got much better things to do than try to have a rational conversation with the president.

    Really, that goes for everyone in DC. But especially Pelosi.

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    @White & Gold Purgatorian: Here’s what I posted on the previous thread:

    Preet said on Monday that they have already been in session for 18 months, and that 24 months is pretty much the limit. After that you have to start with a new grand jury. So I imagine they asked for the classic 6 months, knowing that no matter what, that would be their end game.

    Why would you ask for 2 months or 3 months? Just ask for the full six, use the time you need.

  47. 47.

    Ohio Mom

    Am I to understand Mueller is going to be finished by March?

    As I slog through winter, I’ll have crocuses AND whatever explosion ensues from the investigation’s report to look forward to.

  49. 49.

    Elizabelle

    @cmorenc:

    Neither Mueller nor Rosenstein are likely to break with this longstanding DOJ policy.

    We don’t know what Mueller has turned up. Trump is a clear and present danger to us all, and he may very well have conspired to cheat his way to the presidency.

    That DOJ memo may not be worth the paper it’s printed on. It was drafted for a self-serving purpose. And why would an agency memo have more weight than the US Constitution? Or criminal charges against a criminal president?

    I don’t think Trump is worth much deference at all. He is ruining the presidency and common good every day he remains in office.

    Mind you, I am not pushing for impeachment. I want the Republicans the fuck out of there.

  50. 50.

    chopper

    @Aleta:

    it’s like refusing to pay child support unless your ex gives you something new in exchange. fuck no, it’s an agreement, pay the goddamn bill.

  51. 51.

    japa21

    So Trump says he won’t open the government unless he gets his wall. He is offering nothing in return. Hardly a negotiation. Of course the GOP states the Dems are refusing to negotiate because they won’t promise the wall.

    Somebody yesterday on the radio station I was listening to said why don’t the Dems just give him some money, say 1.5 billion. My response to that is, even though he would probably go along with it, it is like a negotiation with a toddler. They want something and scream and scream and finally a parent says “Okay, just this once.” That never ever works.

    Forget the part where the Dem base would be in an uproar.

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    @cmorenc: The odds are against it, for sure, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Even on the Lawfare podcast it seems some feel that it’s not as cut and dried as everybody things, and if the president’s actions are as damning as I think they are going to be shown to be, I do think it might go that way.

  57. 57.

    debbie

    @JPL:

    Nice. I also like the way they’re sticking together as a team and dividing responsibilities amongst themselves.

  58. 58.

    dmsilev

    @rikyrah: Reading the replies to that tweet turned up this:

    Replying to @AdamSerwer
    From what I understand, it’s a bathtub photo of a porn star’s legs and feet.
    A bunch of foot-fetishists correctly identified the feet as being hers, not AOC’s.
    The porn star commented, saying this is why she no longer does foot photos unless she’s being paid.

    Can we get some new writers? The plots for this timeline have stopped making sense.

  60. 60.

    Aleta

    @dmsilev: (If true) I read it’s a photo of the woman who turned evidence of her sexting w/ A. Weiner over to a RW media outlet. But that couldn’t possibly be true, especially not w/ the reputable Daily Caller involved, right?

  61. 61.

    piratedan

    Ok Donnie, you want a wall?

    Here’s what you gotta do….

    1) rescind the GOP tax cut
    2) demand that Mitch McConnell resign
    3) fully fund the ACA
    4) sign the bills that we give you to sign
    5) remove Brett Kavanaugh from the bench
    6) sign off on DACA protection
    7) grant asylum to all entrants that are not on a terrorist watch list
    8) get those kids out of cages and back with their parents
    9) apologize to them

    Then we’ll appropriate money for a wall after we get done with environmental studies and handling land purchases at a fair price from their current owners and we work out a system to handle the tribal lands with policing their own reservations.

    Let me know when you’re ready to make all of that happen…

  64. 64.

    The Dangerman

    @piratedan:

    …after we get done with environmental studies…

    We’ll start with the studies of the Rio Grande river section …

  65. 65.

    Cheryl Rofer

    Why the RWNJs are so frightened of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:

    More than simply a leftist to be opposed, Ocasio-Cortez has joined Barack Obama as a focus of the very same fear and anger that elected Trump in the first place. She represents the prospect of a more progressive, diverse America where those who were once deprived of power and influence can shape the course of the nation and its politics. The story of her family’s working-class roots in the Bronx is both specific enough to be compelling and universal enough for anyone, including many voters in Trump’s base, to relate to. And that’s precisely why her story, like Obama’s, must be discredited.

    Read the whole thing.

  70. 70.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mary G:

    I’m also going to repeat myself from this morning: Nancy D’Alesandro Pelosi raised 5 children. She knows that you never give in to a tantrum. You just continue saying “no” and wait calmly until the toddler wears himself out.

  72. 72.

    cmorenc

    @Elizabelle:

    That DOJ memo may not be worth the paper it’s printed on. It was drafted for a self-serving purpose. And why would an agency memo have more weight than the US Constitution? Or criminal charges against a criminal president?

    The DOJ policy regarding no indictment of a sitting president was created on Oct 16, 2000 (i.e. in the waning days of Bill Clinton’s administration, and before the Nov 2000 Presidential election) – and long predated the Trump Administration. True, its existence is very convenient for Trump, but it wasn’t a creation of his Administration.

    True also that whether this c.2000 originated DOJ policy is actually sound legal principle or would be upheld by the courts is questionable – but the key for practical purposes is that Mueller regards himself as bound by DOJ policy, so the product of his investigation could cast Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator, or possibly even obtain an indictment under seal that only becomes active once Trump leaves office – but unless Mueller changes his mind or (even less likely) the current incarnation of the DOJ reverses itself on the policy – no currently effective indictment will result, at least not on any federal criminal charges.

  77. 77.

    Mnemosyne

    @cmorenc:

    I think the decision is going to heavily depend on what crimes Mueller has found. It would be sophistry of the highest order for DOJ to say, Yes, we have evidence that the president conspired directly with the Russians to change votes and fix the election, but we can’t prosecute him because he’s the PRESIDENT!

  78. 78.

    White & Gold Purgatorian

    @WaterGirl: That makes sense. Still, not convinced the media’s sources really know when Mueller will be finished this time, either. This will take the time it takes.

  81. 81.

    Brachiator

    O/T Old, dumb ass conservatives are, really dumb ass

    Old people may have the worst internet journalism literacy, according to common sense, and partially backed up by new research on the spread of so-called “fake news” immediately before and after 2016 presidential election.

    A study published today in the Science Advances journal suggests that elderly Facebook users in the U.S. were far more likely to share false and misleading news stories than any other age group.

    The study, conducted by researchers at New York University and Princeton University, focused on Facebook activity in the months surrounding the election. …

    The study found that more than 90 percent of participants didn’t share any links from the sites included in the “fake news” list. But most people who did share articles on the “fake news” list were older than 65.

    The results also show that people who identified as Republican and conservative were more likely to share false and misleading stories than Democrats and liberals (18 percent versus 3.5 percent). However—while researchers did try to remove partisan websites from their list (like Breitbart)—many of the websites included on the list were being used to spread pro-Trump and anti-Clinton propaganda.

  83. 83.

    Jeffro

    @cmorenc: I’m telling y’all, Rosenstein is hanging in there to make sure every MOC and possibly the entire American public sees that full report

  85. 85.

    Gravenstone

    @japa21: Actually if he wants’ his’ wall, then I say appropriate the money – with one stipulation. Trump would be the sole contractor allowed. Donald J. Trump the individual, not Trump Industries/Company/what have you. Get to work, lardass. That wall won’t build itself.

  86. 86.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Brachiator: OMG this is so true. My husband is a part of a Whatsapp family group. Guess who shares the most bullshit memes and is responsible for most forwarded messages in the group about a dozen people? His 80 year old uncle. He was in the news business too, he worked for the All India Radio before he retired.

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